Why the Vita Failed - PlayStation's Lost Gamble - Extra Credits
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- The PlayStation Vita tried to create a high end mobile gaming solution, but failed to achieve even a fraction of the sales of low end systems like the Nintendo 3DS or even the iPhone.
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You didn't mention those damn expensive memory cards!!!!!!
Bumble Baytuna I have a question: If I buy a PS One classic game on the Vita do I have to pay for a PS Plus premium membership to be able to play it? Is it like on PS4?
No, you only need Playstation Plus to play the free games and to play certain games online.
I hear PS1 games are all crossbuy. So if you buy it for one, you can get it for free on the other two consoles.
Bumble Baytuna that's why the psp is better xD (just saying)
true... on psp theres PATAPON!.... just a unique game... that have a trilogy
i'm blaming the bullshit unique memory card
EXACTLY!
Totally, a way too high barrier of entry, especially considering how many download-only games there are in comparison to physical games. I love my Vita, but I can't bring myself to buy a 64GB card at the prices they're found, even when my 32GB has been full for a long time.
Amen.
Agreed. I bought a vita used last week for £45. If I want a 32GB card, that's an extra £50. That's more than the console!!!
How do you even manage to fill up the memory card? My Vita came with an 8GB card and I bought an additional 32GB one and I've never managed to fill the second one up. If you only keep games you're actually playing installed and buy physical copies of games instead of downloading from the PS Store, there's no way you'll ever run out of space. The memory cards have nothing to do with Vita's failure, the lack of software does.
What really killed the vita, as well as the psp can be summed up in two words, PROPRIETARY MEMORY! Seriously? 20 bucks for 4 gigs? what is this, 2002?
+1Kenny30 That sure as hell isn't what killed the psp, at least, because all the games on discs anyways. i mean who the hell would buy a psp or psvita for anything other than the games, anyways? thats the point of a handheld system
+Dmtri Salov no the memory is the point thats the only reason i buy systems because they have certain amounts of memory
For PSP, that wasn't a big deal due to it having physical copies of games as opposed to downloads.
+1Kenny30 I would consider that a contributing factor, not the main cause. Less it being the coffin and more it being the final nail in it. This video's assessment has it more accurate. The coffin, ironically, was the Vita itself.
+Greyghostvol1 because ppl are idiots who would rather buy trash instead of something great n beautiful 😠
What can we all agree on?
Fun > Graphics
Kabloosh nah I’d say that we want more games like 2k sports and graphics that we can play in but I can agree on that ur not wrong
Nah, I prefer amazing graphics on ps4 pro 4K with limited gameplay
I agree but graphics are also very important for a game
@@wolster4507 fun before graphics, but graphics help.
But graphics give me fun :(
Also let's not forget the overpriced memory cards
xAvitaLT true mate
xAvitaLT yes and it wasnt like u cud just throw a commonly found micro sd or sd etc in it
Mr Greenthumb Cameron no you couldn't. You could only use sony's playstation memory cards on the vita.
Dairunt, the memory card cost contributed bit wasn't the sole factor, it just added to Vita's cost but dramatically (I have 16GB and I don't need a bigger one).
"Big" games sell the system, while "smaller" ones don't have that much of an effect, they come later, when the developers see that the system has sold well and there is a large enough market to cover the development costs and derive profits.
Killzone, Uncharted, Persona - stuff like these are the flagship products that make people want to buy Vita. Games produced by small teams, however great gameplay they might have, don't exhibit the same influence. And it's true that the more powerful the hardware is the more man-hours (and therefore money) it takes to produce a game that utilizes it fully (compare, say, the credit rolls of MK1 and MKX); at the same time when buying powerful game system people expect the games to demonstrate this power.
P.S.
Also, I think that Monster Hunter series moving to Nintendo played a huge role (see above about the games that sell the system).
Awemiss PlayStation is much better than wii
"Gamers want games, not graphics."
Why is this not on a T-shirt yet?
Agreed :3
Have you seen the threads on Civ 6?
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Man, your animations always make me feel so bad for the losing console. :(
Me too :(
Same :(
I just want to hug that PS Vita. :(
I have a ps Vita and they are THE BEST!
That's because they're high, high, HIGH up there on the edge that lies just before the abyss that is the uncanny valley :-)
We loved the Vita but Sony didn’t 😥
I enjoy my vita(more than psp even)but bad sales says the market doesn't love it . Sony tried for 2-3 years releasing plenty of games so its not their fault though
I remember enjoying the PSP port of Star Ocean Second Story, and I know there were some other games on it I really enjoyed.
Boosted don’t forget about the stupid analog sticks those things always break so easily and ruin my gameplay.
why y'all getting mad about handheld gaming systems
Why love something that has nothing on it?
My boyfriend has a Vita, and it's fantastic. It's audio is way louder than any 3DS, it has amazing graphics and touch screen function that surpasses the 3DS, and the ability to use it as both a screen and controller for the PS4 is really handy for bathroom breaks or when someone wants to watch tv instead of a game. That said, I would never buy one.
Every handheld Nintendo ever made has bordered on indestructible. I've dropped my 3DS a few times, and it's come out unscathed each time. The Vita, on the other hand, took one fall and the screen shattered. 3DS's can also have their storage upgraded way more easily, with owners being able to use any old SD or MicroSD card lying around their house for additional storage, whereas the Vita needs Sony's own kind of memory stick and come in relatively low sizes. As mentioned in the video, Nintendo has a huge supply of games for all their handhelds, but the Vita's own pool is lacking, with most of the good games being on PS4, meaning you have to buy the more expensive home console game AND the console to play it on. The internet browser is great on the Vita, where even the New 3DS browser is lacking, and porn does look considerably better on the Vita than it does on the New 3DS, but I'm not going to shell out that much money for a porn screen for when I'm not near my computer.
The PS Vita failing is due to a cocktail of failures, which is a huge bummer because it has so much going for it.
True
valcliff b Although I doubt the Vita would have matched the 3DS even had Sony played their cards right. The DS line is ridiculously popular. The original DS almost doubled the PSP's (already amazing) score of 81m units sold.
Well.... nah nvm. Im gonna let u sony fans do stuff. Im not a complainer ;)
valcliff b Yeah, and Nintendo has always made really solid handhelds with just a few (Gameboy Micro) that may have been less than super, but still pretty quality. I've had the Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance SP, three DS Lites, a 3DS and a New 3DS, and all of them I've been super happy with. They cost less money, have a huge selection of games, and have had a lot of backwards compatibility throughout the years. Their bread and butter series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon have been pretty strong through all the handhelds, and it's only getting better with console series getting shrunk down to fit the New 3DS, like Monster Hunter, Super Smash Bros, Xenoblade, Dynasty Warriors, etc.
TheMadisonMachine The DS really does have an amazing library. I own every version of the system except the original and (lol) the 2DS.
Vita is the 21st century dreamcast
Sony does what Nintendon't
but nintendo is doing what sony-snt....... sry i wanted to make a cheap joke
hardly... the dreamcast actually sold in large numbers.
and had plenty of amazing games... that's why people still talk about it 17 years later.
The Dreamcast sold slightly less than 10 million units worldwide. The Vita has sold around 13 million (currently) worldwide, and is still being produced, albeit in small quantity.
BlayzedBlue
the difference being the dreamcast was manufactured for all of 2yrs maximum and was announced as dead within 1.5 of launch.
apples to apples guy...
With Persona 4 Golden on Steam now, Vita can finally rest in peace.
Lots of people are still playing awesome games on the vita. All systems eventually are discontinued. Doesn’t make them any less valuable
R.I.P PS VITA.
True
General C The Psvita still has plenty of games exclusive to the console that at least to me keeps the console very much alive and well.
List at least the ones I definitely know, Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars, Killzone Mercenary, Uncharted Golden Abyss etc... games that to me still makes this console really special.
I think you should do an episode of why the Wii U failed.
Steve Cozzens Bad marketing, non-existent third party support, unreasonable launch price, a terrible name that confused the console's demographics and games that came out way too late in the console's life span. The cherry on top was the system's specs, they were barely better than average on release, and borderline obsolete only a year later. Those factors spelt doom for the console.
U-Draw
Eh, it was pretty popular. But it was not terrible...
1. The name looked like an add-on for the Wii
2. Terrible Marketing
3. Lack of 3rd Party Support
I’ll answer. The only difference from the wii was a trashy iPad that only works 8-14 inches from the console box
Vita failed, because Sony failed to realize what kind of games people want to play on a handheld.
Colaman112 no, Sony’s Japanese audience is all they care about, the Japanese audience like JRPGs and Visual novels. They don’t give a crap about the western audience because most of the PS Vita users are Japanese.
Lately all we are getting for the Vita are translated japanese market games. Including lots of JRPGs and Visual Novels.
Guess what ?
People are fucking loving them.
If only they had supported those games from the beggining the Vita would had been a sucess.
I still don't know why people didn't buy it...3ds is kinda shit comparing to vita in my opinion...psp is mediocre too
G.A.M.E 3DS also has a decent JRPG selection, but it's balanced out more with other genre selection
I want to play AAA shooters and hack n slash on the go and with god of war,killzone,unit 13 and uncharted I consider it mostly 3rd parties fault as we don't have games like ace combat and GTA(psp highest seller)
Why on earth would people preffer playing crappy cellphone games when they can get such high quality games on next gen handhelds?
Because you can get a shitty android phone for $20 at Walmart that plays most the free to play crap with in app purchases on googlestore that a $300 phone can.
It's the same thing that killed console gaming in the early 80's. A cheap over saturated market flooded with low quality shit.
Why would you buy your child a $200 handheld plus expensive memory cards when you can get them a cheap phone? Not that a few parents don't buy their kids iphones as well. Kids grow up with phones not handhelds, kids go to phones when they want to play a game instead of handheld or console for that matter.
Also most people just don't care about gaming outside of downloading some bejeweled clone of an app store.
JonathonTheAsshole
That's very sad.
I'm a huge Playstation fan and I find it heartbreaking that the Vita failed so bad.
Handheld consoles like the Vita and the 3DS can do so many great things that cellphones can't and it just breaks my heart to see where this industry is going.
Yeah, but most games on the phone are specifically designed for the phone. Just like any other game is designed for a specific platform. I don't think it would dominate leaving other modes obsolete.
Phone games may become, and is by some, a gateway. They're the tiger electronics of this era but much more functional.
What does "Tiger Electronics" mean?
I think cellphone games are ruining this industry.
The PS Vita is such a great system and it could have been such a big success if it weren't for cellphone games.
The 3DS is a good system too and it too has sold less the it's predecessors the DS and the Gameboy due to the rise of cellphone games.
עידו לוי
Oh sorry about that ummm..... Tiger Electronic games were those cheap toys that you play a built-in game on that uses the same technology as an old calculator. They were popular because no one could afford a gameboy.
And phone games are not "ruining" the industry. It has certain tools to play certain games. People play for the games. And it introduces people to these types of games. No one will play chess if they wanted to play checkers. But they might try chess if they had their fill on checkers.
any company that makes a handheld... has got to battle Nintendo.... and, that's like trying to sit on gods throne.
Sony at least was trying during the PSP days. It seemed like they didn't put nearly as much effort in attracting third-party support or building a catalog of strong first-party titles like they had done with their previous handheld.
Seemed like after the Vita came out that was uh.. it. Few if any commercials, no attention-grabbing games (that I saw anyways) and lackluster support at first. I'm more interested in getting a Vita to see what the romhacking community has done to it. My custom Firmware PSP2000 packs a lot of punch for having just a little 333MHZ cpu
Nintendo has been dominating the handheld market since their first handheld system: The Gameboy, they were barely scratched since then.
(i know smartphones are more popular but those are not really considered to be legit consoles)
Stanley Gray YEP
I HOPE MS TRIES TO KILL NINTENDO WITH A PORTABLE CONSOLE
SKYLINE GTR GAMING Good joke.
It's interesting to see this video now, in the context of post Nintendo Switch.
I suspect the Vita's failure was more Sony giving up on it more than anything else.
Infact
The switch is succesfull and is even stronger than the vita
@@omit4727 nintendo push out more than 4 games per year by themselve... sony is getting 2 games per year on their ps4 only since who knows when... difference in support.
@Alvi Syahri Agree. So many more games are coming, Kirby, Zelda, Bayonetta all this year.
This will be a fun ride.
Creo que este video sigue siendo relevante todavia hoy y da en el clavo de una de las principales razones de porque el ps vita fue un fracaso, a diferencia de nintendo switch, ps vita no era una consola casera así que no pudo comercializar sus juegos por 59 dls como nintendo switch si lo hace, tenia que competir con el precio de 40 dls de los juegos de 3ds y ahí viene el detalle de los costos de desarrollo. Estas invirtiendo en costos de juegos triple a para poner a la venta tu juego por menor precio qué uno de ps3, no es negocio.
But the thing is that the vita was released in 2011, and the switch was released in 2017. What was expensive then is cheap now, which might be why Nintendo can put more games on the system then Sony as Nintendo does not have to spend anywhere near the hundreds of millions Sony spends per game. Plus in 2011, the indie scene was much smaller, and now many of the switches most successful games are indies that don't need big hardware or budgets. Plus, because the hardware was good enough to port many of the successful PS4 and Xbox games to the switch while it rarely happened on the Vita.
I agree the vita is dead but to say it's a bad system is crazy, I would still recommend it in 2016.
Although I would recommend picking up a 3ds first then get it a vita
I rather spend that money on vita for more 3ds games LOL
+Janhyua I have read your reply multiple times and I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.
Cap Jack Rather not buy Vita and just use that money for more 3DS games
+Janhyua ok
Just port the old playstation library onto the the Vita. That is all Sony needed and still needs to do. Make the Vita into a time machine for games that you can't buy anymore and you will have people all racing to buy your console. Also drop the price of memory cards, there is no reason that they need to be so expensive.
My main reason for a vita was to play all the Sly Cooper and ratchet and clank games. If I could get shadow of colossus on my vita? Hell I'll be failing school faster than anyone
That's a great idea, I wonder why Sony hasn't done this yet.
Cody Cannon-Watkins i think you can play shadow remotely using a ps3 and remote play. As well as god of war.
mattbenz99 it is ridiculous as to why they didnt try to figure out the issues with having crash and spyro and many other games on the vita. And where is gran turismo? it sold THEE most copies on ps1 back inn the day. 1st party game and even that isnt on the store.
DjStiv3 Ya the Vita failed because of Sony's incompetence. I was actually planning to buy one soon but then Sony announced that they were dropping all first party support for the Vita and I lost all interest in the thing. Dropping support for a device when it is not successful is not a good way to instill consumer confidence and because of that any successor to the Vita will likely have a much harder time succeeding thanks to this.
Why Vita failed... Sony was focused on their console and forgot to market the Vita. End of story.
so what's there to market for a big audience?
Wulbulbul Lubbubwublub anything they want, if its a BIG audience than the should market towards it
what games or features?
it's a handheld. that's all they can market. Gimmicks like rear touch pad or even a touchscreen was the minor problem of why the Vita fucked up.
I saw them talk about vita(2-3years) until they gave up but there could have been more commercials while they were actively trying.. Same could have been said for psp though so there are other reasons for its failure. I have quiet a few 1st party games so I dont see that as the reason anyway
I love psvita and I care more about a quality game than just having to many games to buy. I don't have the power to buy a game once a week so this is why the psvita is still alive to me!
... A lot of people are gonna hate this comment...
Same. I'm trying to prolong the current game I'm playing because I can't afford a game every other week but it's still alive to me!
The PLAYER Meh,there's just 4 games i like on there,and the 3ds is custom firmwarez pretty easily too... So i prefer the 3ds more than the vita
I bought a vita purely for persona 4 golden and I have no regrets
The PLAYER YOUR THE TRU GAMER
And the Gaben ported all of the good vita games to Steam.
"Thanks for listening, and have fun!"
"all" Not even close
"good" oh, NOW you are kidding me.
I wish Trails of Cold Steel was ported........
Which games were ported?
+Uaexemarat Danganronpa and Steins;Gate
Not all Hyperdimension Neptunia games are on regular computers sadly. And Im quite annoyed how only steam has the crutial dlc like swimsuit outfits for the girls.
Why is it failed? No Monster Hunter, fuck it
Also 3DS already sold 61 million now after two years
And Pokemon
The Game Boy didn't need pokemon. The Nintendo DS certainly didn't need Pokemon. It may have helped the GBA, and the 3DS, but they still have traction without Pokemon. 30million units of the 3DS were sold without Pokemon.
The Gameboy did need Pokemon lol, and apart from some crappy puzzle games most people's GBA and DS libraries don't seem to go any further than Pokemon.
The 3DS can basically thank Pokemon for it's sales even before it's first released game due to it's support of the older DS games and due to the fact that you'd obviously see a Pokemon games on the new hardware.
Is it worth mentioning how much S&M alone brought in within the 2 months it's been out?
If they killed Pokemon the platform would be dead.
The DS didn't need pokemon, it had Brain Training or Brain Age, Mario Kart, New Super Mario Bros, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing. All those games except Animal Crossing sold more (some of them more than double) than Diamond and Pearl.
MArio Party and Mario 64 sold more than Black and White and Platinum, not even talking about Black and White 2.
Pokemon sales in nintendo ds were good, but I don't think it moved up considerably console sales. Brain Training and Nintendogs certainly did more for it to succed.
And PSVita has sold around 14 million so, percentage-wise, it had a bigger growth. Still not enough to save it but certainly more the now-discontinued Wii U
Couldn't they have just ported games and built games that didn't necessarily fully use its graphics capabilities and thus have games just as cheap as its competitors?
That's my thought.
Yeah, but if they had the same library, then the PS4 and PS Vita-as well as the games’ respective versions-would have eaten into each other’s sales. They could have tried cross-saving, but people would have gotten really mad if they had to pay for a game twice to get that feature.
They could have built less powerful games, but the Vita was marketed as a portable with console power, which would harm the perception around less good-looking games because “this isn’t what I paid for;” even if good games are more important than graphics, those graphics still matter.
@@FedoraKirb
It isn't like the company has to choose between having games that made full use of the hardware and ports and basic games that did not. You can provide both.
Another thing you could do is sell the game for both systems at once. These systems have hard drives for downloading games. You buy a Vita game and get a code for a free copy of the PS4 etc. version to download. Like how some movies sell with both a DVD and Blueray disk, except one would be full digital download. You could eve do it with PS3 and PC games, buy this game ported to Vita, and get a free digital copy of the same game for another platform. Thus you get a library to use on it for the cost of porting.
Of course you don't stop there, you also develop some unique games for it, but having a list of fun ported games to play on your handheld would have certainly helped keeping people buying the system and preventing any death spiral.
Add in that cross saving you mentioned and you could really work both system so they boost each other instead of working against each other. Cross platform multiplayer compatibility can't hurt either.
Actually as someone who had the vita and getting a new one.... Vita was a paradise for indie developers, JAPANESE GAMES, PS2 Ports, and a way to play console games with limited compromises outside of being 30 fps and not as pretty...
I still use my Vita more than my 3DS.
+TLOWNSU so you owned both?
I do own both
Why when the vita has awful games.
+Paul Barnes I'd argue that the 3DS has mediocre games
TLOWNSU mediocre games on 3ds I don't think so that's vita games your thinking of I think you got the two confused lol.I sold my vita it had the worst games ever on any Sony console and I own a ps1,ps2,ps3,ps4 and psp 3000 so I know.Yeah the 3ds is so mediocre that it's outselling the vita with ease lol and kicking it's ass.
Memory card end of discussion.
It´s not that bad really.
Wooooooooow. You´re so funny and mature...
+Icky Pan
Paying 50 - 100$+ for playing games that you downloaded online is not bad?
sd2vita
Splizzex
Looks like you didn’t hack your vita so you could gain the ability to use micro sd cards instead of Sony’s expensive memory cards. Too bad for you lol. This is why smart people have fulfilling lives.
A simple solution would be to develop a simple method of porting ps1, ps2 and ps3 games directly onto the system without too much effort, this way they could massively increase their software library in just a few short months,
A problem is Sony don't own all PS1/PS2/PS3 games, third parties made them.
soccerthepkmnmaster I'm pretty sure any 3rd party would want their old "removed from market" games resold again, even if they only get a few pence per copy sold, Just think, sony could develop a decent and reliable PS1 and PS2 Emulator within a few short months. Once they have this they can rip old games into a special vita only rom and create "new" vita games in minutes, then they would have a library of thousands of games in no time. They could put the old PS1 games on the playstation store for £2, old ps2 games for about £4 each, They could even create an emulator for the PS4, there are a few games I would like to play again and would be willing to pay a few £ for a trip down memory lane. Lets face it, the Vita is easily powerful enough to emulate ps2 games, perhaps even some early ps3 games. I used to have an old Hacked Xbox with a snes emulator on it, I spent hours playing that thing.
Al Paca
I wasn't doubting the vita can emulate old PS games. So face what? :/
Vita does has a memory problem, PS2 games are around 4GB, PS3 10GB.
Problem is: Do the developers want to do it?
They don't, they don't feel 40 thousand-ish dollar is worth all the trouble it takes to get old games on the vita.
Emulating SNES games are easy, PS2/3 on the other hand are not.
PS1 is possible, but they just don't feel like wasting their time.
soccerthepkmnmaster the developers wouldn't have to do anything, Sony could develop the roms and emulation on its own, the devs would make thousands from just signing a piece of paper
Al Paca
There are other ways to emulate PS1/PS2 games (idk about PS3), I can emulate PS2 games on my 4 year-old laptop. I don't think it'll attract that much crowd adding those games, or at least, not that many. It wouldn't make the Vita the GO-TO system still. I think that's the reason they have not done it
It's pretty cool how Nintendo worked around this issue of "too high quality handheld" through having the Switch be a fusion.
Not only that but they folded ALL their development teams into making games for it. Console AND handheld. That's double the number of first party games that sell Nintendo systems.
While that is true, no handheld portable gaming console could have done that at the time. It was would have been for the best to make BETTER varied games with overall better graphics than the original psp like that’s on par or even a little bit better than the ps2 but still valuable software to it that would have made it a VERY impressive system. The video said it best, people want games NOT graphics.
I bought the psvita its a great system
And really expensive - memory cards.
Mezamir cheap where i am it also depends how much memory is i have a $20 16 gb memory card
Lucky, but 16GB MicroSD coast $2,75 - $7. So it's still expensive and unprofitable for these times. And there where I live for 64GB I pay $124,94 (PSV cards), for 64GB MicroSD (Kingston) I pay $27,08 compare prices ($124,94 ≠ $27,08). Huge difference for this same space on memory card.
Mezamir dang guess i am lucky just got boarderlands 2 on my psvita also
Hack it and buy adapters for sd cards. You're welcome
I came here to argue for the VIta, which I love. But end up agreeing. It's a great system and the 4 or 5 games I play on it I LOVE. Deception, MLB, Persona 4, Digaea, Everybody's Golf, Little Big Planet
As for Phone gaming. It's not for me. Screens too small, and the control way too imprecise for someone with my hands. Always dragging the wrong thing, dragging nothing at all, dragging two things when I only wanted one, not get a response to a screen click... I struggle to game with any accuracy on my Ipad never mind the tiny screen on my Iphone . Even then, most of the games are pretty much like Flash or Java games from the PC circa 2005. Don't like touch screen gaming full stop actually.
This goddamitt, THIS!!.
I don't support Phone gaming at all, not at all, why?, just see what they did to the best Final Fantasy ever, Final Fantasy VI.
The so waited remake for almost 15 years, they released it in a Phone, in a phone instead of 3DS.
It's a giant mess, the graphics are watered down, the sprites looks terrible and the transparency effect will make you throw the game down..
For me the Vita has become an indie and JRPG machine. Also, I never owned a PSP so I've dug considerably into that back catalog. And while there are definitely 3DS games I love, that system just isn't near as comfortable for me to use; it always makes my hands hurt.
I don't like touch screen gaming either. But I don't see it as a lesser platform necessarily, just not one I enjoy as much. I have been playing FFVI on my iPad and despite all complaints being absolutely true I still enjoy it. But I'd still MUCH rather see a FFIV: Complete Collection-style release of FFVI for my Vita. But that's just not going to happen.
Personally I can live with it being the "Portstation" Vita. There's a lot of PS3/PS2/Indie games that I would never play / have played if not for the Vita, and that will continue to be the case. I bought Rogue Legacy on Steam and put about 5 hours into it; I bought it again on Vita and have already played 2 or 3 times that much in a matter of days.
Buy killzone and forget anout other shit mobile games lol vita has quality games quality over quantity
Bards tail lol have u ever seen a vita game before like borderlands, killzone, soul sacrifice, tearaway, need for speed i rather play those than any mobile game i have a 4s and a vita
Not me. The problem with the phone isn't the games catalogue - it's the control method. While Vita does sometimes use touch surfaces, the main control method is the sticks and it has proper buttons
I just can't get on with phones. I'm always missing the item I want to click, items not dragging, 2 items dragging at the same time, the wrong item dragging. I find that hard on my Ipad and all but impossible on my Iphone. I know quite a few commuters (train commuters) who do the same, and for the exact same reason.
Yes I know it's me as most people get on well with touch screen gaming, but I, along with a sizable minority - don't.
how about sony remasters the good psp games?
for the vita?
i would love me some vita patapon and locoroco.
wipeout perhaps ! and bring the games that made the psp great and then add some new features.....tbh i don't have a vita but i'd buy one if i could get a refined psp experience #makethevitagreat
ikr.i wanna get a psvita just to play those
A lot of PSP games are on the PS Store and playable on the Vita
my thoughts exactly. and I think they're starting to do so (i think). it would be great to play a redefined version of some games like dbz tenkaichi tag team, resistance and other games that made the psp a huge hit. I know that these games can be bought at the psn store but they should at least redefine it for the PS Vita.
When I’m playing on my 3DS, I’m not expecting 7th generation console quality graphics. I’m expecting my games to be fun to play. I didn’t purchase a Vita because I didn’t see the point when I could buy an Xbox or a PS4.
I still like my Vita better than I like my iPhone.
+Alexis Pérez I like my Gameboy Pocket more than I like my Iphone...
Damn, I want a game boy with fun games.
+Alexis Pérez i like my 3ds and gameboy sp better than my galaxy phone
+Zelba ok, so can I have your phone then lol
I enjoy playing games on my phone 🙌
While it's true with the Vita, the whole "specs don't matter" isn't really true overall. For example: Wii U's low specs were quite a huge problem even for Nintendo's own titles like Splatoon and Zelda because specs are not only graphics but also determine what is possible to make gameplay-wise.
That's the reason why New 3DS exists. What's needed is good balance between specs, development costs and price.
*****
Not gonna act like I know everything about hardware in detail, so I showed this comment to someone I know who is an expert on hardware and they could barely even believe how false it is.
To sum up:
Splatoon uses most of Wii U's resources. Wii U doesn't even have an ARM gpu/cpu (3DS has it). It has a 3 core PowerPC RISC processor which is an APU one (both GPU/CPU) and everything runs on it. Splatoon couldn't not run on 2 Gflops. FRN isn't ported to Switch because there'll be a sequel.
The new LoZ title is going ot the Switch as well, so we'll be seeing what the Wii U can do and what the Switch can do
Czaros Mooncat What you are saying is false very little games released even on launch day. They failed to attract customers upon release leading to little sales in the long run as competitors offered more software. Specs don't matter man get out your bubble no one really cares it's 2016 good graphics are the norm and the Wii U and 3ds offered that whether u like it or not. Out dated? Maybe but u also have to understand the production costs and practicality. Some people need to understand more how marketing works. Nintendo is amazing at it but there target market is not that great. That's another reason why the Wii U failed because they were targeting younger children rather than adults. U have to consider many factors in the business world it's not as easy as making a product and selling it, Pricing promotion, and Distribution also play a role. I can go on and on but I hope u get my point.
I only mentioned this thing specifically here. There are A LOT of other reasons why Wii U failed. Mostly Nintendo's dumb decisions, horrible marketing that didn't even make clear it's a new console, unused but forced-on gimmick, lack of third party, broken promises (appeal to hardcore, two gamepads, good online services) etc.
Czaros Mooncat Exactly my point. But specs were the least of its issues
Watching this video, I thought it was pretty old when he said "The Vita has far less games than the 3DS". This video, from june 25 2014, seems to claim that there are 8 vita games for every 15 3DS games. A quick search (25 seconds) ot some fun results:
As of June 24th, there are 642 PSVita games, and as of April 8th, there are 504 3DS games.
It seems that people who bitch that there aren't any Vita games are people who refuse to look for/find them... I have 2 32GB memory cards because I have so many games... 11 physical copies, and 37 digitally-downloaded games (which excludes all those I got free from Playstation+)... I have no idea what this guy is talking about, but he clearly likes 3DS more than PSVita.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_3DS_software
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Vita_games
Anyway, 3DS sales pretty much only go up when Nintendo releases a Call of Dut... err, Pokémon game.
Totally Agree he was supposed to do more (research) before bitching around with this vid
he meant games people buy, there are a bunch of good games on both, but 3ds has more quality games, I want way more 3ds games and for ps vita i only really want,GOW collection. Also the sales go up when they release a major ip, pokemon, Mario Kart, Even kid icarus made the sales go up
that moment you realize that the 3DS is backwards compatible so that means the amount of games you can play on the 3DS is over 1800 games.
***** For what system?
shane vergeront Yes, but the only advantage of having a 3DS over a DSi is the 3D screen. If you're going to play DS games, might as well use a DS IMHO... I have a PSVita, but that doesn't mean I threw my PSP in the garbage. I still have it to play all my PSP games, so retro-compatibility isn't really an issue to me...
Pro Poe Yeah, I bought my 3DS go buy Kid Icarus. But it seems to me that the *only* worthwhile Nintendo games are those published _by_ Nintendo... Third-party titles are kind of overlooked, Indies are kind of overlooked, and those are the ones who take risks. Yes, things like a 3D screen and a screen on the WiiU controller are risks too, invations if you will, but it's not the game content that's changing, it's the _way_ you play the game that's changing.
Justin Drobey
"The only advantage the 3DS has over the DSi is a 3D screen"
I would like you to meet the Circle Pad. It is complete god-send. Also, improved battery life, more GREAT exclusive 3DS games, and a larger eShop library. It also has more data storage, but that generally holds true after each generation. Plus, the 3DS dos have a lot Japan only games, but there is a much greater ratio of World-Japan Only titles when compared to the Vita.
they should've continued with PSP
The Noob Guy i agree
PSP is a pretty outdated hardware at 2012, the lack of 2nd analog stick and L2,R2,L3,R3 buttons limited the gameplay of the games and shooters werent possible
They should have just named vita psp 2 but I see why they chose the name
also umd was KILLING them
UMD was cheaper than memory cards at the time but game sales could have been better
I'm surprised to see the Vita Defence Force still commenting on this video 2 years later. C'mon guys, I own one too but it's not like the Vita's turned things around since 2014.
True
The Vita is a success in Japan though, as it replaced the PSP
Antblue Famitsu (the closest thing to reliable sales figures atm) puts its lifetime sales in Japan at around 5mil, which isn't particularly impressive considering the 3DS sold over 4.5mil in Japan in 2011 alone.
The 3ds has sold 20 million in Japan over the vita's 4,5 million proves that Japanese gamers more go for 3ds and they have games that sadly get good reviews there but sales numbers not enough to sell in the west and if American consumers want some of those Japanese games. It's the same reason Renault does not sell cars in North America any more
Wow... a new variant of a electronic device replacing the old one. Who saw that coming? [/sarcasm]
Seriously, if that didn't happen it wouldn't have been called a failure. It would been called a disaster.
New versions of electronic device (both consoles and smartphones) are supposed to replace the previous incarnation. If that doesn't happen, the developers utterly failed. Also, who still wants to walk around with a device that's over 10 years old!
PEOPLE BE LIKE WE WANT GRAPHICS UNTIL PS VITA CAME OUT WE WANT MORE GAMES!!!!!
The problem was Sony told the devs to forget vita games and focus on making games for ps4 to ensure it was successful. That choked off the flow of quality 3rd party multiplat and original games for vita AND ps3. And these crazy memory card prices didn't help matters, either.
No, in reality only the hardcore gamers want "graphics", and those probably did buy the Vita (or maybe not, thinking that they could get even better graphics on PS4).
Most gamers actually just want fun games. There's a reason why games like Shovel Knight, Minecraft and Undertale sold like hotcakes and it sure wasn't graphics.
MaJuV
Those three were good despite not looking good, and they were tried out of desperation. I was one of the vita buyers who wanted games AND graphics. The 2 CAN coexist...no idea why people keep saying stuff that imply that they think otherwise.
Rhiorrha Of course they can coexist. I never claimed they couldn't coexist. And the games that do bring the two together could as well be the best games to play on the Vita (I don't know, I don't own one).
It's not that people don't want amazing graphics (nobody's going to reject them if offered). But most people don't care whether an amazing game has amazing graphics, average graphics or pixelated art. It's the end experience that counts.
Perfect example, The Order 1886. Super amazing graphics but that's really all it had.
*Gameplay > Graphics*
A random puppy dog of doom what do you mean?
A random puppy dog of doom ???
Look at this from a standpoint of consoles or PCs.
Would you rather your CoD or CS:GO game run at 10-20 FPS with unbelivably awesome graphics or would you rather have it look like crap (or just relatively less "awesome") and run at good speeds of 45 or 60+ FPS?
I know this isn't quite relevant to the topic, but just my two cents as well.
has nothing to do with that , especially now that most vita games are rpgs and platformers , price point had a lot to do and the fact that Nintendo just has more experience marketing handhelds
The DS and 3DS thrive due to exclusives such as Pokemon, LoZ remasters, Pokemon, Mario titles, and Pokemon. I love my Vita, but I have to admit that if it weren't for Pinball, PSclassics and portable internet I wouldn't have a reason to play it really. Also, I feel discouraged to use remote play because the "R2 & L2" on the rear touch screen is finicky and uncomfortable.
nintendo in general is boring and formulaic
and sorry but if all you can find for good games on the vita is pinball, and psclasics then your not looking hard enough
You mentioned Pokemon like 3 times lol
UndertaleSkeleBros "if you think nintendo its boring and formulaic then your not looking hard enough"
didnt want to revive a old post but... you forgot pokemon guy.
ralman88 to who are you talking?
Here's what I would've done different with the PlayStation Vita if I were Sony:
- instead of cards, games would've come on Super UMDs, which would be based of Blu Ray Discs similar to how UMDs were based off DVDs. You would also be able to use existing PSP UMDs on the Vita
- instead of expensive proprietary memory cards, use the universal Memory Stick Duo or SD card standard for game saves and downloaded games!
- provide a very strong 1st party lineup, with new exclusive entries in many 1st party franchises
- if EA still fail to deliver and make every Fifa last year's game with this year's transfers, revive the World Tour Soccer series and acquire the CFL (Canadian Footbal League) license and use that to revive GameDay
- add 4G support to later model systems
- add 2GB onboard storage to all systems, meaning that memory cards would only be needed if one wants more storage
If you have any other ideas, I'd like to hear them
would've just put a gun at every game developer -_-
Battery life would take a big hit with UMD.
Alternatively, they could have added the option to give you the digital version of your vita game for free if you already had it for the PSP if they had to go the card route.
***** However, they could incorperate a system similar to the Crossbuy system for the people that actually kept their PSPs and physical copies that want to transition into the Vita.
Some provide codes, but other have the crossbuy feature on the physical copy, but those codes would no longer be good once used. There's even a menu setting dedicated to this form of crossbuy on the PS3. Plus, if you are using the same PSN account, any PSP digital game you already bought could potentially be reobtained for your Vita this way. The PSP already used a very similar OS like the PS3. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to pull something like this off.
i would like to play games like Silent Hill ,Driver 1 and 2 ,Metal gear 1 acid and anothers ,Yu-gi-oh forbidden memories i do not understand why these Great games on Psp and ps1 are not available in Vita 😞 .
Sony forgot that most people are not rich when they made the vita. This will make an example to game developers to not go for a high end console especially when it comes to a hendheld. PSVita is way ahead of its time but people are fucking cheap to be spending $400 on a vita with 1 game and a 8GB memory.
i dont agree, look how many bought an iphone 6 or a samsung galaxy S6 or 7 at way higher pricing. Mobile stuff is expensive and what truly and honestly killed it in my opinion is that backwards ass attitude of having propietary stuff integrated in the system. Lets be honest here, if the vita had a micro sd instead of the ever so expensive psvita mem card, everyone would have jumped to this handheld. It showed in the psp having sd to produo adapters.
BUT to be fair, a lot of apps and things like that are free or a couple of pounds extra for those phones. That's a little different to £300 for a console and £45 for any additional game. If it was 300 and with as many games I wanted at small amounts extra, I would have bought one sooner.
the quality of the games on handhelds is way higher than any phone game. its no comparison in terms of quality.
tjeulink there's no argument there, for sure. I know for a fact that the vita is almost ps3 quality in its games, I'm happy to own one. But when you want a handheld, you want it to hurt your wallet less than its big brother. The use of propietary technology, meant more development, more money to spend in things that could have been solved with a cheaper alternative that it was just as good and cuts cost. I believe and will still persevere on that conjecture that the psvmem card was its Achilles heel because the 3DS at launch costed the same and sold more because not just the games but the investment was quite a bit less than the vita.
Beatrix Sevenhearts yea sony really fucked up there i agree. its still a great piece of hardware just like the psp, that one even got linux developed for it which is amazing. the vita would be great if it could be hacked to run linux.
All they needed was a gta exclusive....😞
brandothamaka1190 true
Isn't that what all consoles dream about when they go to sleep?
no only GTA, it also need Gran Turismo, which the 5th is one of the best selling ps3 games, need franchises that PSP get and support
My brother in law works for Rockstar North , do you have any idea how much time and dedication those guys invest in making a GTA game? it takes 4-5 years at least to make a GTA game.. now think about it do you think they will consume that much time and gamble it on a handheld device that may or may not even succeed?
brandothamaka1190 I TOTALLY AGREE! !!
Sony should've secured good games from the start to convince people to buy the system. Should've let go of the propietary memory card bullshit as it cuts the price without changing the price of the console itself. With a larger install base other studios would justify investingon it and supporting it. Such a shame. Also, maybe a rrevised version could stand a chance as it could share the same market as the switch
Killzone mercenary,Unit 13, uncharted golden abyss and god of war HD collection are awesome on vita but 3rd parties are lacking some good games that psp had. The only thing sony messed up games wise was giving resistance burning skies to the wrong dev
LittleBIGPlanet Vita is a good game. That sold very well.
Don't forget Gravity Rush.
At 1:54 "The graphics capabilities are somewhere above the N64 but below the Gamecube"
Uhhh... whaaaat? I'd say they are roughly equal to the Wii, if not better. Maybe if you are talking about the resolution then sure. The resolution of the 3DS is terrible. It's actually worse than the N64 but as far as the detail, textures, lighting, shadows, and overall polygon count then no, it's roughly equal to the Wii.
I agree with you just look at resident evil revelations on 3ds it has awesome graphics it clearly isn't below gamecube standard no way.Equivalent to the Wii I'd say yes just a difference in resolution.
+Jabari W (HuminBehaviorz) Yes and the ds has n64 graphics while 3ds has between gamecube and wii graphics and new 3ds has wii graphics.
kazip55 Agreed 👍.
Paul Barnes Thanks. Do you think nintendo should make a tablet named the 3dt? t stands for tablet.
kazip55 Well tablet's will have superior hardware but the lack of physical buttons and portability would be a problem at least for me.I don't think nintendo would make a tablet as they're going to make games for mobile phones and tablets it's confirmed.Apparently they're are going to be pay to play games free at first then you have to pay to proceed with the game.Hopefully nintendo won't stop making handheld device's as I love them and in 2016 there'll be the nintendo nx console that replaces the Wii U.
Wow, quite a few people villainising extra credits for saying the vita failed. No one complains when it's the Wii u being talked about, and that's a similar scenario of a console failing.
Just because something is a financial flop doesn't make it bad.
preach that sh*t kids!
Just ask the GameCube
The Wii U definitely wasn't a bad device and Nintendo had some cool ideas for it, but so much went wrong with it, luckily it seems Nintendo is trying ot reverse the mistakes they made.
Are you living under a rock? PS fanboys purposely go to Nintendo videos to talk shit about how the Wii U failed and that the Switch would fail. I have even seen them post fuck up shit about the Xbone failure on Playstation videos. Like why are you mentioning other system, just enjoy the video.
Yassi can argue switch was a fail tho .
were at 11 million now , it's like the Saturn, all the exclusives we get now are from Japan which is actually ok with me
+Freddy bates You mean barely 4 million?
+Alex Royalty
umm no , actually around 12.26 million now , check your facts dude and by facts I mean not a year old video
Freddy bates I wasn't using this as a place for facts, I will admit I was wrong about the amount sold, so no need to be a jerk about it :)
Alex Royalty
Well I was wrong too if it makes you feel better , by 1.26 million , it's already sold better than the dreamcast and saturn , of course that's not saying much but the vita has been my most used console this gen
Freddy bates I don't understand how that would make me feel better? And that's good to have your own preferences. It's not dead as long as the fans continue to support it.
My personal problem with the vita was the proprietary memory cards. They were super expensive, only available in certain sizes at most stores, so the bigger ones were hard to come by and even then they were stupidly expensive.
That whole argument is fucking bullocks
If it was true, we wouldn't be seeing a fucking tidal wave of indie games being made or ported to the vita months after months after months. Console specs don't matter, because it doesn't stop a developper to make just a game that he wants, nobody who owns a vita absolutely DEMANDS that you push the hardware to it's limit, mostly that the game is good and meaty enough.
The reason the vita failed is because Sony utterly just didn't know how to market it, still doesn't, and that SCEA did a shitty job in general in advertising, making games and making ports for the system. That and absolutely insane memory card prices, a long draught with no games with one year late behind the 3ds
Exactly. They never continued momentum and support. They didn't address criticisms and concerns (they still avoid talking about the memory cards and even lie about them). Its much better now than it was with the 199 system with a decent memory card included..... but the damage is done. The Vita is stuck being what it is now which is still pretty good to me.
No, what you're seeing now is sony's attempt to prevent the console from dying off, its only now that any games that i would ever even remotely consider buying a vita for are coming out, in my opinion its now too little too late i already own a 3DS as it has games i actually want to play whereas the vita is now only getting them :)
I think you didn't get the point.
Sony advertised the Vita as a portable console with the power of home consoles, and therefore games with great graphics and such. This means that games with great graphics are what people will try to find on the system. Indie games do not use the full graphical potential of the Vita, and therefore aren't what people expect from it. Really good looking games like the Uncharted game for Vita were what people were looking for, but they require AAA budgets, which leads to what they say in the video..
***** As someone who HAD one such laptop, I played indie games from steam on it exclusively, because that's all that would run well. : ) So yeah, there's that.
Turtoi Radu ***** You're absolutely missing my point.
Extra credits dudes claim that the vita's main flaw is it's spec, that it's too expensive to make games for it, etc...to which I point out that the real reason the vita failed is sony's ineptitude in the first place to take it's thumb out of it's arse, like Nintendo did when the 3ds was also being dead in the water after it's release, and make some fucking software, to entice other people to make fucking software
If the system was so expensive to make games for, there wouldn't be as much indies who can simply port their stuff to it. And to be honest, in this day and age, the difference between a 3d asset for the 3ds and the 3d asset for the vita is not some huge gap, only if you port from the former to the latter but that barely happens.
That's a stupid mentality.
Like, okay I KNOW graphics are a pain to make. It takes money. But why would any dev need to use 100% of the VIta's hardware? If they had made games at 50-75% of the Vita's power, it would have been enough. I know it is weird to say this, but just because a console is super beefy, doesn't mean you need to take full advantage of it. This is Nintendo's mindset. Their consoles are the weakest at the moment, but having amazing lineups. Why? Because they go for quality in gameplay, over quality in graphics. And it works. People said the 3DS and WiiU were gonna flop, and for a while it looked like it was, but now... no one can argue that the WiiU is 2014's MUST HAVE console, specially coming into the 2015.
Though to be honest, the number 1 reason I didn't want to invest into a Vita is because of the lack of cartridge games. They thought that digital distribution was going to be the future, and it didn't turn out that way. I WANT PHYSICAL GAMES, not some digital download, on my shit internet connection!
Here's the problem, when people know what the Vita is capable of, they are not going to settle for a game that looks as if it was a "lazy" creation. A few of us would know better and recognize that it costs a lot to develop, but most people would think that the developers are bad.
Indeed, why go half assed on the strong vita when the end product could just be on the 3DS or a phone/tablet and gain more merit.
You are right. But the reason why devs would think that they need to use most, if not all of a consoles capacity is because of their reputation. If they don't make the game look as good as it can, people are gonna bash the game and say that the devs were cheap and didn't try. That could hurt sales even more.
Besides, Vita already has a higher price point and no 3D, if it doesn't have good graphics, what does it have left to compete against the 3DS with? We payed the extra money on the console to get prettier games, so they should use the hardware we payed for. i wouldn't wanna pay for a 250$ machine that only uses the capacity of a 150$ machine when I can just buy a 150$ machine in the first place.
Ultimately, Vita failed because Sony fucked up. All their previous consoles (PS1, PS2, PS3 and PSP) sold good, great or amazing, so they got over confident and thought that 3rd party devs would line up for Vita just because it's a Sony console. They didn't plan ahead properly, they just threw a portable PS3 out with nothing over the 3DS and expected it to sell.
Effort is noticeable in any game, I have recently played tales of xillia which is a LATE gen PS3 game and it has mostly underwhelmed me visually. I didn't expect to be blown the fuck away, but it is clear that there wasn't much love or care put into the game. Compare this to the previous game in the series that started off on the Wii and got ported to PS3, the upscaled models and most of the game looked very Wii, but the presentation and cleanliness displayed makes me enjoy the visuals a hell of a lot more.
In general a well versed player can see where the effort went in, and I don't think many vita games looked like they had the attention they needed. Not saying some did, but I recall when being shown super mario 3d land for the first time and just gawking at how much they bothered to put in on the game, nothing on the vita apart from maybe tearaway gives me a first impression of someone making a hell of an experience with devotion.
masterofdoom5000 P4G, especially it's new content, is rendered with loving detail, and the the cutscenes look REALLY good. Loads of thought went into the remaster, and it shows.
Also those stupidly expensive proprietary memory cards....
I can find many better prices on ebay you know.
Icky Pan which weren’t true when Sony was supporting PSVita though
But guess what? Now they don't
Icky Pan but now no one really cares about the vita. The new king of portable gaming is the switch.
Not true. Not true at all buddy.
2019: welp its dead
2021: Very active homebrew community and plenty of hidden gems to discover. Emulation is getting better and better. If you ask me the Vita has aged like fine wine, and will continue to do so.
Henkaku might actually save this system its giveng the product some real value with adrenaline comming in the near future it will be hands down the best way to experence PSP games and decent for PS1 too
indeedc but with adrenaline now its just as good as a psp (if not better)b
PSVita/TV + Henkaku = hacked PSP and Vita with SD/USB support.
FennecTECH am considering buyińg it again cos of this.
Ripoff memory cards and a bad economy certainly didn't help the Vita at all. Who wants to buy a game only to realize they have to spend twice as much just to save it? What a fail on Sony's part.
You don't need to get one for every game though. It's just the one purchase. It would be nice if they were cheaper but it's not that bad. Especially with those cards with games bundled. Or there are often good deals online.
+Stone Skull it doesn't matter. You still have to purchase one if you are to own a vita and have a good time with it.
PS vita= 150=200$
Games= 30-60$
Memory Cards= 1000$
As a Vita owner, one who may enjoy it even more than the 3DS (especially considering the drought the 3DS is going through in 2014), i'd also add that Sony's lack of understanding of portable gameplay was what truly began the spiral into the mess the Vita is stuck in. There are some very unique titles made by their studios (Tearaway, Gravity Rush, etc.), but most of their major releases feel like downgraded titles you could find on a PS3/4. There is a fundamental difference in how portable play functions as opposed to consoles. Console and PC games tend to be for longer stretches of time, often with friends online. Portable games tend to be designed with a pick up and play mentality, titles which you can play for 5 minutes while being driven to school, relaxing on break and so on. That difference, along with Sony marketing the console as a home console experience on the go, were the first major steps that they took down the stairs to the dreary basement where the Vita now dwells.
Probably where that Bioshock Vita game is hiding too, come to think of it.
Exactly. If people wanted 'Console Quality', they'd have a console. If they wanted portable games, they'd want it to be driven more by good gameplay mechanics that you can play in short segments and not be too bothered if you have to stop- Pokemon is a great example. But the games on the Vita are mainly ports from the PS3, so they are meant to have much longer play sessions.
That is my major issue with the Sony handhelds. They advertise them as the home console on the go where as Nintendo specifically wants you to have your own separate experience on their handhelds. You never feel like you are playing a downgraded version of the games you already own on your Gamecube/Wii/Wii U where as Sony has basically been trying to sell PS3/PS4 lite.
So why even buy a handheld? The games you are describing are your run of the mill phone games. Pick up, play 5 mins at a time, yea I think that describes phone games. Do you pick up and play Monster Hunter, Fire Emblem, or Phoenix Wright? I know there is a thing called pause, sleep mode, or save. The Vita has these features you know, it's not like you start a game on Vita and you must play through everything in one sitting.
joesatmoes Try bringing your console with you, yea that's a problem isn't it? I'm tired of this handheld for handheld only and console for console only. With today's tech, it's possible to start mixing the two, so why not?
Yes it is nice to play console quality games on the go but it doesn't benefit you to advertise as home console lite.
Yes there are some people who will go "wow! I'm playing games just like on my PS4 while I'm on the go." But ultimately taking that route has you not only competing with other handhelds but yourself.
If I owned a PS4 and a Wii I could buy a Vita and play PS4 games on the go and I could play basically PS3 games on the go. Or I could buy a 3DS and have my own experience that is distinct from the home console.
Take, for example, Zelda and God of War. Both are on a handheld and home console. Console Zelda has taken the 3d world route like Ocarina of Time where as handhelds have gone top down like A Link to the Past. Same IP different experience, you don't feel like you are playing a wii lite, you feel like you are playing your own system designed to be its own entity.
God of War on the other hand is the console version on the go. I am literally getting the same experience. The only difference is that one is portable.
To all the people in the comments saying that EC "Has got it wrong with this episode", just look at it from a developers point of view.
If you've got enough resources to make a AAA game, why wouldn't you just release it for consoles instead and reach a wider audience? If you only have a AA budget, why not make it for DS where the development costs are lower?
"But why don't they just make a AA game for the Vita? They don't have to use the full specs!" you say. Firstly, there's the fact that gamers always get unjustly pissed of when a games graphics aren't up to a systems standards. Secondly, development costs are lower for the DS, and since it's too hard to port a game between DS and Vita, developers will just stick to the DS version.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the last bit, for one of two reasons.
1) I wouldn't necessarily say people's annoyance at underperforming visual fidelity is "unjust." Unless the game were to make clever use of one of the Vitas unique controls as a core gameplay mechanic, people would (possibly correctly) claim that the game could have just been made for the PSP, and that made their purchase of a new system was a waste of money.
2) People (in my experience) only get enraged at graphical underperformance if they feel it's unjustified (see the recent firestorm over Ubisoft crippling the PC version of Watch Dogs for no good reason). If it's a good game that simply doesn't max out a machine because it doesn't have any asthetic need to, people won't care (owners of crazy powerful 290xs and Titans still praised Transistor, despite the game mostly consisting of a few 3D models moving inbetween two flat images, using around 4% of their system's total power).
Well, the one place where it's rather viable is the Japanese market and localized games of the same. They can do consoles, but half of them are not the sort to really push graphical boundaries. So, being able to make a nice looking game, without being forced to compete with major PS4 releases, may seem appealing to them. Especially when the cost of porting an A-grade PS3 game to the Vita is apparently not much. That does seem to be the main source of non-indie Vita games at the moment.
Well, that and multi-portable releases.
the vita is getting AA titles mate
there bigget supporter is atlis, and the vita is the sole reason persona is now as big as it is
Translation: Vita games are better and therefore more expensive. People are cheap ass fucks who would rather pay for cheaper games than quality, expensive ones. Thus, DS sells more. Got it.
what a complete failure of a post. were you dropped on your head by any chance?
KleinHendrixTheCool that is, essentially, the video, and the truth. Vita games are way better graphic wise and cost way more money to produce and will be way more expensive than the 3DS. Therefore less developers risk making games. More developers will make 3DS games because they cost less and are easier to make, therefore more 3DS games, cheaper games. People would rather pay for cheap than invest in expensive quality.
Also applies to PS4/XB1. Why do you think PS4 is kicking the ever living shit out of the XB1? Because price. XB1 is more expensive because kinect, PS4 is simpler and doesn't cost as much, and even though it has better graphics, it's still beating the dead dog in sales.
The anger in this one is strong.
lolscat47unicornpanda not angry. It's his opinion. I think it's wrong. I gave mine. That's all there is to it.
Kaique But good graphics don't make a quality game. 3DS has more quality games than the Vita.
I remember when friends were trying to get me to buy a vita while was rocking the 3DS, they kept telling me how much better there Vitas were. Now.... I'm still rocking the 3DS... How's those Vitas boys?
SwordsmanMercenary long live 3DS
@@maroXUprising virgins
@Kristian McCallister good to know about urself. But I don’t care about whether you are.
@@maroXUprising what?
Pretty nice considering that I don't still use Nintendo and I use a homebrew to emulate older games.
It's a shame vita doesn't get more titles; but with zero escape, grim fandango coming this month, persona 4, disgaea, corpse party, gravity rush, uncharted, dangan ronpa 1 & 2, metal gear solid HD collection and dragon's crown I can with no doubt recommend picking up a vita. The amount of hours alone you'll put into these titles alone makes the vita a worthy console. Not to mention you can use it to play on your PS4 remotely on any title, and even as an additional controller since the PS4 doesn't support the PS3 dualshock.
It is my favorite handheld ever. Specially if you are lucky enough to get one with an OLED screen (I must really stress out that getting one with OLED screen is the way to go).
It might not be a commercially successful console, but then again neither was the Dreamcast. And it was (and is) very much worth owning.
Grim Fandango is multiplatform. Danganronpa is... a niche title to say the least (it also sucks). The MGS HD Collection is much better on PS3 and X360. Gravity Rush is basically an overpriced phone app.
Felix Logographic looks like you haven't actually play Gravity Rush, because it's a true blue handheld game not an overpriced phone app. that game is very good and has a lot of interesting ideas, the mechanics can be a bit wonky, but the game is really fun and interesting, and i highly recommend the game to every Vita owner.
I bought it so I can play MGS 1-3 and Pixel Junk Shooter Ultimate and Resogun when I'm not at home.
I never really got to play any of the Persona games but my firned highly recommends them. They each just have their own theme. Persona 3 was depressing and it's main theme being Death (you fucking shoot yourself in the head to transform...at least I think that was Persona 3) and Persona 4 focusing on a more joyful theme involving friendship and whatnot.
ya i have a ids too tho and the games just don't compare, remakes and ports can't carry a console the vita needs more new original games.
I don't understand why developers felt they had to make the most out of the Vita's hardware. Why not just make cheaper Vita games with 3DS-level graphics? On my PC I have plenty of cheap indie games that have moderate system requirements, despite my PC being fairly powerful.
***** You don't answer my question. According to this video, the reason the Vista failed in the first place was because making the most of its hardware costed too much money and thus the games were too expensive. Had developers from the start just made cheaper games of lower sophistication, wouldn't it have fared better against the 3DS?
+Razvan2smart Yeah nintendo are the master's when it comes to handheld gaming Sony should stick to consoles instead.
***** Or maybe people don't want to buy a vita and play crap games lol.
***** First of all I not a child and secondly I'm saying good games those aren't good games especially killzone which sucks on every Sony console.Borderlands 2 has terrible framerate problems,uncharted is far to easy,little big planet same old game.Mgs hd good games but are just ports of old ps2 and psp games,p4g a port of a game I bought for ps2 years ago lol.Also indie games I've had enough of those on the 3ds can't stand them.If that's the best vita has them no wonder Sony has abandoned it even the psp had much better games than this.Only zero escape is excellent the rest merely average.Jrpg's/rpg's and indie games that's just sums vita up mediocrity allround it could of been better than the psp instead the vita's a failure that's why I sold my vita.
***** The 3ds has the awesome resident evil revelations and vita has the sequel that runs like crap lol.
Actually the Vita has sold 8.4 million units, that's a little bit more than 4 million, don't you think? I'm assuming you got that number from wikipedia, where it says "Units sold: 4 million (as of January 2013)", of course the console sold more in the 17 months since then than it did in the 11 months before that point.
So "It hasn't even managed 10% of nintendo's 3DS sales" is completely wrong, it's actually just under 20% (~19,4$).
This video is the perfect example of what the real issue is. Negative perception and lack of transparent information. One thing is for certain. Sony didn't realize what to do with the system until it was too late and now they are content just letting it exist as is. I am fine with it but I wish their commitment was more firm.
Robert Fravel I have the feeling Sony still hasn't realized what to do with the system. Going for Remote Play and Indie ports with a ~160$ device is probably the best way to scare off new buyers (too expensive for just remote play) and piss off long time owners (Sony not doing the things Vita owners have been asking for).
Robert Fravel I can't agree with you more. The Vita has a negative perception that no matter what, it can't seem to shake. Sony could sell it at a bundle for $199, and I think people would still look at it poorly.
Oh you got that number from VGchartz. Be careful with VGchartz numbers, their numbers not from Japan (since they take it from the publicly released trackers) are just estimates that are usually wildly off. It's probably over 8 million but a significant chunk is from Japan.
PIKMINROCK1 Especially since they just discontinued making the PSP over in japan.
As long as Pokemon exists, trying to compete with Nintendo's handhelds is going to be incredibly difficult.
verxintRising actually it's impossible
When this video was uploaded in 2014, Pokemon ORAS sold 7.4 million copies, only below Cod AW and GTA 5.
U forget to mention Zelda and mario. Lol very hard to compete. People want game not graphics. Psp vita had good graphics but less games 3ds has more games but less graphics
verxintRising Not just Pokemon.
I still love my vita
Me too, but I'd love it more if there were more games that interested me on the system. I love Senran Kagura, but I'd still like more.
Mr. Anderson - professional catholic monster hunter YOUR TRUE
Mr. Anderson - professional catholic monster hunter i love psp, ps vita and ps4 btw i have all 3 of em
Same, it’s such an awesome and sophisticated hand-held. It’s really sad people don’t think of it that much.
People keep stating Pokemon as the reason the 3DS is successful and the Vita is a failure, but that's not the whole picture. In Japan at least, one of the main reasons the Vita isn't selling as well as it could have been was because Nintendo scooped up Monster Hunter. Japan LOVES Monster Hunter. Hell, the only 3DS two games that have sold more than Monster Hunter 4 on the 3DS are Pokemon and Animal Crossing. The Vita would be much better off if it still had Monster Hunter, but alas,
Totally with you on that one. Monster Hunter is a real system seller and letting it wander off to Nintendo was a real miscalculation on Sony's end. Refusing to part MHP3rd to America/Europe hurt them more than it should have and led them to the wrong conclusion, wheras the ripoff (as in not nearly enough content to justify its price when compared to Freedom Unite/2nd G) on the Wii was, as expected by the fans, largely successful with the western audience and paved the way for a proper WiiU title and an upcoming 3DS release of 4.
Seth Abercromby
i totally agree, i love my Wii u, and look forward to the stuff i saw at 3E, but the first year i only had it for monster Hunter 3 ultimate
Well, Frontier G is being released for the Vita in august, but here, it's a case of too little too late.
i have a vita and play Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, im down for Frontier G untill MH4U
Monster Hunter was the only reason I bought a Wii U. I regret nothing at 600+ hours and a boatload of good memories with friends
Why the Vita didn't Fail: Persona 4 Golden
That's a port (with some extra's) of the ps2 game. I would rather say that the vita is actually good by looking at games like LBP. It used all the things you can do with a vita.
Fukmeh Haarda If you don't know the entire library... then maybe you will think that. :P
Sorry I thought you were talking about the GBA. I'm mixing up things right now. Because in another discussion it was about the same thing but a different system. And yes the vita should focus more on new stuff like I mentioned above... games like LBP. But some ports like muramasa or odin sphere are good for a portable system.
lmao, these pathetic attempts to defend vita is so cringy and embarrassing :x just accept the truth ya sour loserzz
it failed. deal with it
But the Switch is doing fine, and it's kind of like a Vita in that it tries to offer console games on a handheld. Before you mention that the Switch is a hybrid system, the Switch Lite is handheld only.
The lite is the same price of the vita, that is more powerfull and could have been a psp 3. Sony just dont believe enough i guess. Or, making like nintendo more than two game a year for a system is not something they want to try.
Switch is a hybrid switch lite I just a cheaper option
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It's a handheld with some console abilities.
@@Mechaghostman2 it's a hybrid its both a handheld and a console said by Nintendo themselves
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Don't care, it's a handheld with a USBC dongle with HDMI out and a few USB ports.
Switch Lite exists, but a docked only version of the Switch doesn't. That means it's more handheld than console.
I'd still buy the vita. $200 for a brand new vita with borderlands 2? The 3DS can't touch that. The ps vita has plenty of games. The fact that it isnt selling well is a GOOD THING for buyers. Its not as expensive anymore. The memory cards are a joke though. Fuck you sony for doing that. Theres no denying the massive hardware advantage. If I'm buying a handheld system, I want graphics that my phone can't already offer. Thus, the ps vita is my choice. The vita has far less games, but the quality of its games far surpasses the 3DS. As I mentioned, borderlands 2. A true open-world game with beautiful graphics and hours of enjoyment. I'd say the BL2 bundle is reason enough to buy the vita anyway!
Get NFSMW12 as well. Great game, and it has free roam. Vita might also have Rivals but I'm not sure.
I've never even played Borderlands 2 and I can already say that a system with Fire Emblem Awakening and Shovel Knight can touch anything.
***** ugly port or not its still a full open-world game. Just another reason why I'd get the vita. Killzonr and persona are both great too. And ive heard good things about tearaway. Its just a more attractive system to me.
I don't know man, my friend who recently bought a vita with borderlands 2 played it, i looked over and it was probably running at about 10 fps, not something i would enjoy playing
James Lamb yea ive heard there were some issues. Not something an update cant fix though.
I literally just want a Vita to play Persona 4 again (played the ps2 version to death), but it's hard for me to justify buying an entire system for just one game I technically have already played.
P4G is a completely different experience and as a person who bought the vita just for P4G, i'd say its pretty worth.
alejorag buy a psvita with the right firmware and install henkaku, that will justify the buy
***** Does Henkaku allow the usage of Vita roms, or is it only to install emulators and homebrew games and such?
alejorag it allows psvita ''vpk'' which are the full vita games (they use vpk which is a format exclusive to psvita instead of the typical roms) it allows for ps one games, psp games, homebrews, emulators, you name it.
alejorag you have to be on a specific firmware version, i think the latest you can be at is the 3.61 so look on ebay; you can get a good deal for one, i got my brother a fat ps vita for 50 bucks and it works perfectly, the only thing that can be really expensive is the memory card and youll need at least 16gb if you want to have a couple of games installed. the only catch is that you cannot let your vita battery die nor turn the system all the way off because youll have to install everything again, just put it on sleep and thats it and put it to charge when the battery is about to go so it doesnt turn off
Between the PS Vita and 3DS, your basicly deciding between a pretty picture(PS Vita) or gameplay(3DS).
molestia..
Richard Warner PS Vita has better -gameplay. The problem was lack of video games.
Taseen Khan it doesn't
take fire emblem for example
One of the biggest reasons the Vita failed, as many have mentioned, was in fact the overpriced memory cards, having 3 and 4 times the cost of a standard SD.
Sony has argued before, that the reason for the proprietary memory cards was to keep the security level high and to keep it from being hacked.
*Problems* :
1- Not only did the Vita eventually get hacked, it would have happened far sooner if it had half the sales and half the games of the 3DS. More people adopting the system, the bigger the hacking community. Regardless of how good the security was.
2- The amount of *greed* Sony displayed with this memory card fiasco, eventually came around to shoot them in the foot. A story very similar to what happened to the Wii U.
3- They *had* a chance to change this. Sony had a chance to fix this issue, even if it was a little late. Yes. With the release of the Ps Vita 2000, they *should* have switched to micro sd. At the very least, it would have easily boosted the sales of the system. But no. Sony wanted us to buy their expensive crap.
I know I'm years late, but this is exactly why I never bought one.
@@Kasaaz Indeed
Expensive Memory cards is what killed the Vita. As if games didn't add cost already, I cant download all the games I want because it cost $100 for just 32GB.
$100 for a 64 gb card not 32
Jessica Yazawa it was they drop the price
and they could just have easily integrated microSD, the memory cards were a cashgrab
***** Not really just a cash grab. Sony didnt want people to hack the Vita like they did the PSP. So they made everything proprietary. Sure it protected Sony from hackers, but it hurt their sales big time. They didnt have to make memory cards SO expensive that people didnt buy them.
They've had to add game codes to the card purchases too
'Players want games, not graphics.'
Oh, how I wish more people could learn this lesson.
As for the Vita, I'd hate to say it, but it was probably doomed from the get-go. Trying to deliver a quality AAA game on a handheld just seems too ambitious. Maybe it's just me, but I just can't see an Assassin's Creed or God of War game delivering the same experience on a handheld when compared to a console. And I don't think Sony ever really had the character stable or pull with handheld developers to really keep a continuous stream of games coming for it, especially compared to Nintendo. But the worst thing Sony did for the Vita in my mind was the big push for console interactivity. It makes it seem like less of a stand-alone gaming device, and more of a $300 accessory to a PS4, a belief that becomes even more damning when you consider that interactivity was pretty much all Sony talked about Vita-wise at E3 this year. A device should be able to stand on its own merits, not have to use a gimmick or attach itself to something bigger to be successful.
"A device should be able to stand on its own merits, not have to use a gimmick or attach itself to something bigger to be successful."
*cough*Google+*cough*
Sony had already delivered the whole "console on the go" thing, with the PSP. There were 2 critically acclaimed God of War games, 2 MGS games, a KH game, 2 FF titles, one of which easily matches up, and beats all PS2 games. It already worked, so making it again didn't seem far fetched. What killed the system, was Sony's lack of marketing, those god awful memory card prices, and all of their studios basically ignoring the thing, like a red headed stepchild (all, but Studio Japan, thankfully). The console connectivity is a very cool concept, but due to the horrible state the system is in, it has become it's only propose.
There's the Vita TV (or playstation TV, since fuck the Vita) coming out later this fall, which will hopefully give the system some life. Solves the whole aspect of the Vita's demographics gaming mostly on TVs, while giving it at a cheap price.
MrFinalgamer yep, marketing was non existend.
But I think that the "portable version" of a franchise isn't really working for most. In almost every review for, say, God of War: CoO" or GTA VCS, phrases like "watered down version of the console game", "pretty decent for a handheld game".
Nintendo keeps certain franchises handheld exclusive. Fans may want a real Pokemon game on the Wii(U)/GameCube etc, but Nintendo knows not to deliver that. Pokemon fuels (3)DS sales. Always. Or Professor Layton - DS exclusive. Yeah, there are portable Zeldas and Mario games, but Nintendo knows to keep some franchises exclusive to one system.
On the PSP, gamers got versions of Peace Walker and Silent Hill Origins on the PS2. No need to buy a PSP for these games.
thats what everyone wants, well most of the people
just look at the sell of 3DS,Wii
reading through the comments on this video it alarms me how many mindless fanboys have come to watch EC, not a single person has posed a reasonable argument, every comment is "the vita didn't fail because I have one and I like it" or "the graphics on the vita are better so that means it was a success" worth mentioning that these comments are coming from the 8-12 year old child demographic who think that the thing in their hand right this minute cannot be bested. arguing that it's superior hardware means the ps vita was a blinding success, when. in reality it sold less than 10 million units, I would wager 20% of those sold where bought by people who wanted to remote play their ps4s. EC isn't a channel about taking sides in your silly console or handheld wars it's about looking at things from am unbiased analytical standpoint. How about instead of blindly defending a brand, how about grow some balls and actually look at things from an unbiased standpoint of your own for a change.
You're ignorance is not proof of much. Vita is at about 12 mil units.. That's still higher than wii u and it often beats xbox one in sales.
It's not a failure just because you don't like it. It's logically not a failure by sales. It's just not nearly as popular as the 3ds, and many people (myself included) that own both like the vita more.
It's not doing amazing sales wise but it's certainly not a failure.
The vita just sucked face it so big deal the graphics were impressive but take away the fancy graphics and your left with mediocre vita games lol.
+Al Paca People call the Vita a failure then how come they keep making more and more games for it?
Emil Hult Yeah more and more indie games and bloody port's.
+Emil Hult Because Japan, also because indie games are incredibly cheap and easy to make and the Vita can have games ported from just about any system with comparatively little effort. This is why half of the titles released in 2015 are Japanese titles. And the other half are indie games which have been ported from the PS3, PS4 or PC. Name one AAA title scheduled for release in the next 12 months for the Vita? I have personally looked and I can't find anything. All the biggest developers have abandoned it because there isn't a big enough audience or profit margin to make it worth their time.
I think the vita was a cool console but what hurt it the most was the price and lack of games but however it is way too powerful for developers to make games for
Games like need for speed,killzone mercanary and uncharted show devs understood vita's power just fine but the system is missing a few key games like gta
Theyŕe still making games for the Vita. Over a 1,000 titles now.
Skepsi you do realize those games are just ported, most people are just gonna buy the exclusives games that is available on the console.
Only 70+ games in ps vita while psp has 200+ games
There ARE amazing games for the Vita, but the common consumer has such shitty taste that they refuse to buy it.
And no dev NEEDS to utilize the Vita full graphical capabilities to make must-have games for the system.
Play these low-graphic games and then tell me that the Vita suffers from it's own superiority (all of which could be made for the 3DS)
Ys Celceta
Xblaze
Muramasa Rebirth
Persona 4 Golden
Demon Gaze
Toukiden
Dangonronpa
***** Great lists, both of you. I would also add Virtue's Last Reward, Sound Shapes, Thomas Was Alone, Proteus, and the newly remastered Final Fantasy X and X-2. All great games.
***** Out of both of your lists, the only games worth looking at are:-
Disgaea
Muramasa Rebirth
Persona obviously
Dragon's crown
On the other hand, there's the 3DS drowning in "system selling" games. I own both the 3DS and PSvita, and i can't find a reason to use the Vita. It has less games and less new releases.
The investment to get to those games is tremendous, though. Not that I disagree, they're awesome games. But the price point...
Exony Ashy
Uh, no. There are much more games worth looking at in the list than those four if you like really like JRPGs, which most people who buy the Vita do.
Crissa Kentavr The investment is not as bad as you think it is. The waiting is killer, the vita is the reason to get plus.Sales and free games for vita. They put disgea iii and soul sacrifice and now muramasa rebirth on plus with titles swapping out per mnth.Gravity rush and uncharted were there for over a year.The promoted God Eater for vita on freaking plus, a psp game with a vita sequel in the works at the time.
If the vita had gta 5 it would've sold like hotcakes
They did have a couple GTA's on the Vita
+Bonnie Bunny PSP titles don't count
A classic gta collection would have been great
+Christian Munguia Didn't they do that with Vice City? Or GTA 3?
TheLetter-h On the market place I think but I'm talking about a physical release with gta 3 vice city and San Andreas and if they can fit it also liberty city and vice city stories.
While I love the vita I do agree with a lot of what is said in this video. Only issue is that the whole idea of portable games being cheap is actually rather interesting here in New Zealand where I come from.
You see, here the roles are flipped. Sony actually charges prices for their games that are reasonable for that of a portable game and that aren't too expensive.
NINTENDO THOUGH. Holy CRAP ever since I first opened the nintendo 3ds eshop I have hated these guys with every fibre of my being. The Eshop prices here in New Zealand are RIDICULOUS.
Many MANY games cost 80 or even 90 dollars EACH. YES, SERIOUSLY. Games like Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus as well as other titles like SMT Soul Hackers and mario 3d land will set you back 90 DOLLARS while most other games that are actually worth playing will set you back 80 bucks. At this point it has become cheaper to buy titles physically but even then the prices are pretty insane.
I have only bought 2 games for my 3ds for this reason alone. The games are just too damn expensive and don't warrent the nearly 100 dollar price tag they wave about due to being games designed for a portable system! I mean, you are paying about as much money for a physical copy of a next gen home console game when you buy something off the eshop.
It's insane and frankly unacceptable.
On the flip side, sony prices their stuff very well. Sure a handful of games are still expensive but none of them go beyond the 65 dollar price mark. Most digital download versions of games cost about 25 to 65 bucks and indie titles are even cheaper. While 60 bucks is still leaning into expensive territory I find that for a system like the vita that price is more acceptable. Plus 60 dollars for a portable game isn't too bad in the end. 80 to 90 dollars for a portable game however, is.
Even the sales on the eshop are pathetic! I open it today and see that they are advertising an 18 percent price drop on a game. Only 18 percent? You cheapskates.
I know that the eshop situation isn't as bad in other places but here in NZ it is TERRIBLE.
Sorry for the long block of text but I just had to get this out there. Compared to other places game prices on the vita are simply more appealing than game prices on the 3ds
damn I just got R.E.:Revelation for $5 along with AVGN Adventures for $5 on eshop saw a bunch of games for under $10 and the new expensive games are $40 I think your government must be taxing the shit out of Nintendo
I wouldn't think it is the government. I dunno why they are overcharging that much but it drives me up the flipping wall. It's just crazy.
I got my vita in the post yesterday and I managed to pick up a total of 4 full games for around 130 bucks. On the Eshop 130 bucks would probably get me around 2 full games if I was lucky
+Cyborg KiWi its weird but the taxes are handed out differently to different corporations in different parts of the world actually in Brazil Nintendo products are taxed to insane amounts and Sony products are hardly taxed at all.
That is probably it. Like, the amount of tax that nintendo puts on its games on the eshop is bloody ridiculous. Just insane. Hell even a good chunk of the SHOVELWARE games suffer from being priced at 80 to 90 dollars.
80 dollars for a shitty horse game. Yes that is how much it actually costs
+Cyborg KiWi It is the government. Sony pays specific taxes so that they can sell their games for what they actually want to. Nintendo refuses to pay those so it ends up coming out of you the consumer.
"Gamers want games, not graphics."
I can hear a laugh from some spoiled PC Master Race from miles away
I think if they could make an easy way to transition already developed product for PS2 or PS4 onto Vita they would have money in the bank...
Powi exactly imagine a GOD of War Game for the Vita Or the new Death Stranded The Vita where I live costs like 100 dollars straight I should Had bought it but now maybe it costs less man I need the vita
We can all agree that Nintendo is way better at handheld marketing than Sony.
Nintendo has diverse library of games kappa - Pokemon, Zelda, Mario .. the end
Isai Camargo
It also rides on the cost, that's why you see rereleased versions of old games on the system because that's what it's capable of and it delivered. Could do without the blurriness of some 3DS games though...
SwisH FnatiC Still does a better job than psvita.
Isai Camargo well no shit, they have been doing it since the late 80s and Sony only stared trying things in 2004
Simon Danger Time diesnt matter though. They screwed up on their own.
This video could've been summed up in one sentence: proprietary memory for way foo much money.
Good Thing they Have Micro sD Adapters for the Vita now
Joshua KOr4theWin It’s too late now, no one’s looking for a Vita anymore.
Nah, 2018's a good year to buy a vita now.
-fucking nintendo normies-
+Stock Fedora Guy nope Sony normie i mean sort of vita doesnt sux
Let’s not forget when did PSP vita came out you cannot port some of the old PSP games to it that’s what killed also
I think the memory card things was a huge issue for MANY people.
Sales would be significantly better if Sony would adopt a stance towards media formats that wasn't from the Jurassic age.
The memory card thing was certainly an issue for me. Not just expensive, but downright insulting.
2:56 "Software not specs make a system"
Tell them to Xbox Scorpio,they want to show it like "the most powerful console".
I want games not specs god dammit.
Isn't your argument a bit flawed?
I mean, higher specs don't imply higher quality and/or higher development costs. Unless the licencing fees and devkits, which you didn't mention, are pricier, there is no reason to a Vita game cost more than a 3ds game, if they are made to look the same.
PC usually have better capabilities than consoles and still get tons of "ugly" games, why couldn't Vita devs do the same?
The thing is, most of everyone has access to a PC, and PCs vary very heavily in specs. But if you buy a new console, it'll have to be because of things only that new console could do. So, AAA titles have to pump more money into graphics so they can show it off more, otherwise they'd release the game on a weaker console.
Frankly, because of this, I don't intend to buy either the PS4 or the Xbox One, because I'm afraid the situation will repeat. (And if the games get more expensive, well, my wallet isn't any deeper than it was before.)
Tom0027X Just to clarify: I just used PC as an example of "we do have the specs, but we've choose not to push them to the limits (maybe to cut costs, maybe because we aren't experienced with the platform)".
Also, 3ds was once a new console on the verge of flopping hard. What saved the console was Nintendo pumping out games until it recovered.
rafagd True, but again, they were able to pump out more games because they didn't cost as much as the Vita's.
As for the PC, the real reason people develop for it is its relative availability and ease of development and publishing. Since most people who game already own a PC, there is no pressure to push its limits because the devs aren't trying to simultaneously coerce people into buying the only console their game is on.
rafagd "What saved the console was Nintendo pumping out games until it recovered."
And to be totally frank with you, ONLY Nitendo can do that. Look at the Wii U, TONS of great first party games out on it now and coming out on the horizon, now look at sony's PS4 and Microsoft's Xbone. Maybe 1 or 2 exclusives max.
I've just become comfortable with the fact that my vita will play obscure japanese role playing games and that's about it.
I mean Mind Zero just came out for the vita, who the heck knows about it? Not many people.
EXACTLY. Blows my mind that this was even an argument.
The ONLY reason why i dont go out and buy a vitas is the memory card.
It was the price of THREE gemes at launch for a 32GB model and is still about £60 now.
A SD card fro the 3DS costs around £10 for the same size.
The Vita 2000 with the bundled 8GB and a game is a step in the right direction but they seriously need to stop gouging for memory on a system that promoted the quick and easy purchase of digital content. No other provider of online digital content gouges customers on memory. Insanity
Robert Fravel Really what they should have done from the start was ditch the idea of using proprietary memory cards. If people could use any old SD card with the system this whole problem could have been avoided.
"3DS has more games than the Vita"
WRONG. As of this writing, Vita currently has 642 titles while the 3DS has 504 titles. This isn't including the psone classics and psp games that are also available on the Vita. Whenever I hear the argument that the Vita "just doesn't have games", I shake my head and look at the floor because what they're really saying is "the Vita doesn't have Nintendo games".
However, I will concede that where the Vita ultimately failed was that it was too good of a system for a portable device. People don't want a PS3 in there pocket, they want fast and fun games. While the Vita definitely has the games to support that demand, Sony shot themselves in the foot by pushing the tech specs instead of what actually sustains a system: the games. Poor marketing coupled with the stranglehold that Nintendo has on the portable market means that the Vita was dead on arrival, which is unfortunate.
Where are you getting your numbers?
Not that I want you to be wrong, and not that I'm saying that the Vita doesn't have games - I have a small pile of game cases, a full memory card, and a fairly large list that says that I have far, far too many Vita games (and not even enough games to count on two hands for 3DS games) - but you pull out hundreds of titles, and I get confused. That's a LOT of titles to make claims about.
AusSP
Unfortunately, the best place to find the list of games is from the questionable Wikipedia (For Vita: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Vita_games, for 3DS: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_3DS_software). However, even if there's a fairly large margin of error, it's still not enough to justify implying that the Vita has a small, unsupported library of games.
In a way, it's really not important how many games a system has. What really matters is making the games people want. And like you said: No one can really beat Nintendo on that.
Factoring the fact that we've been using Nintendo's handhelds since the original Gameboy really does shed light on the struggle any other company has trying to break into Nintendo's market share. Nostalgia and established "trust" play such a huge part in it.
***** Yeah man because no one's played pokemon before.
3:50 **says “DS,” shows **_3DS_** and 3DS games** _🤔_
No one says 3DS if they can just say the DS
Lmao
Just open the platform via with Steam. Then allow devs to make steam games and mods for it.
Massive Tits
That would be a great idea.
videogames91 Stop using fucking logic, Sony will hear you.
+Massive Tits Technically, there is rumour of the SDKs from Android making a move to the vita platform, as is similar to the Sony Xperia phones. Not steam, but definitely one step into another viable area.
Besides we're already getting a tablet from steam that basically is the wii U gamepad.
And there is the Nvidia Shield lol.
God no. Steam is trash.
For me the Vita has become the home to play classic PS1 games on the go and indie games. Even as a late adopter (about a year ago) i can see that the Vita in itself is a marble of engineering, but without the proper support in games it had to fail.
I love the system to pieces, especially now that i can get games for cheap and watching a movie or a series when i am traveling on that awesome screen (gen1) is a pleasure.
I am pretty sure you meant to say "marvel", not marble. ;)
Yeah... i mean... nono, its like beautiful marble, polished and shiny... YES... that is what i meant >.>
the psp plays ps1 games and you can download them free
Uhm sure you could, though these days i try to refrain from piracy. If it was for that i could play so many console games just on my PC anyways.
Are you serious? So you don't load any rom files to play on emulators? Are you mother Teresa and Ghandi rolled in one?
I'm not sure if this counts as irony, but some of the better selling and high-rated games on the Vita are ports of 3DS games. And as everybody else has said, there ARE more Vita games than 3DS games, just no really big reasons to get the Vita. People got the 3DS for Pokémon, Kid Icarus, Mario, Zelda, etc. People get a Vita for... What, Gravity Rush? Fun game, I will say, but it's one. And it's a small game. Also, the Vita in Japan tends to almost rival the 3DS when a great game for the Vita comes out (the recent Freedom Wars is apparently a good example. It was the best selling GAME world-wide, beating USA and Europe's best combined.) but then it lulls back down because the popular Vita games have lasting ability.
To be fair, Castlevanias have mostly been on handhelds in recent years, not counting LOS.
Griffith x Because Konami is being stupid right now with their 3D Castlevania shit.
***** Lessee... FF1 and 2 got remade for PSP, as did 4. FFV had a PS release, if I recall. Care to explain 3 and 6, though?
Griffith x Is anyone forgetting that Vita has Persona 4 Golden?
Sonickick120reborn You mean Portsona 4 Golden?
Now we got the Nintendo Switch doing it right.
With very few games in my interest yet when I had more on vita by this time combined with lack of app(such as netflix,aac and mp4) support I would disagree. Graphics wise switch is no slouch though when nintendo portables usually have been so it has more potential than their previous gens
nintendo switch stole all there "inovations" from the vita, litterally everything the switch wants to do, the vita had already done first
It doesn't matter since Switch is a big hit by doing the right things that Vita didn't.
UndertaleSkeleBros Their*
UndertaleSkeleBros Innovations*
Sony's home console did awesome, but not their mobile console which sold horribly in comparison.
Nintendo's home console did horribly, but not their mobile console which sold awesomely in comparison.
I don't get it.
I think it was marketing. I saw a crap tonne of ads and the likes for the ps4 and 3ds, but the Sony sort of neglected to spend too much effort on the vita, and I think everyone agrees that nintendo screwed up massively on the marketing for wii u
Typically, Nintendo games require less graphical capacity than playstation games to look good, because of their style. Think Mario vs God of War. Nintendo almost never goes for the "realistic" look, but instead adopts a cartoonish style. Now think about the PS2 vs the Gamecube. The PS2 had the "better graphics", and yet, today, when both are obsolete, the Gamecube feels much prettier than the PS2. It's the same for handhelds, where the graphics are always subpar compared to the home consoles. The PSP might have MUCH better graphics, but it doesn't feel so much prettier.
PSP's screen hurt my eyes ;-;
The PS2 was the least powerful that gen though (minus the DC)
the thing is no one's saying "OH YOU HAVE TO MAKE REALISTIC AND AMAZING GRAPHIC GAMES FOR THE VITA" it'd be nice, but just having a lovely art style is preferred, I'd love HMPD Mirai on the vita with just a little bit of upgrading for the Art!
Actually the Gamecube was a much more powerful system than the PS2 but I get your point.
Thanks for the correction. Should've used the Ps3 vs Wii example maybe. In a dozen years, the PS3 will feel much more outdated than the Wii
Steam1901 Yeah, games that adopt a "realistic" graphical style become dated after a while. Now if you look at Wind Waker or Skyward Sword the games still look beautiful today and it's because of the art style.
Flaming Gaming don't kid yourself WindWaker and Skyward Sword still look dated, they just work better then if they tried making them realistic!
The Vita was DOA due to Sony's standard proprietary memory card nonsense. That is the crux of the issue. Even today, I wonder if I'd use a Vita if I was given one for free - and the answer is no because the fuck am I paying that much for storage space. Also, I'm not that much into JRPGs which is pretty much the only reason to own one in the first place.
The 64 gigs is STILL around $100. They are still way too expensive.
NamekuBushi oh my.
Did the Vita even have DOA?
(y'know 'cause that's also Dead or Alive... the fighting game... never mind)
yes: "DOA 5 plus".
I use mine daily but it has my shooters and hack n slash unlike nintendo though I do wish it did better in sales and got a gta
not to mention nintendo has a fiercely loyal fan base ESPECIALLY when it comes to hand helds.
and yet nintendos games are dule and boring
UndertaleSkeleBros edgy kid said reason because it cool to hate nintendo
Dull and boring?
Splatoon, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, the first three Paper Mario Games, Donkey Kong Country series and Jungle Beat, Super Smash Bros., the Kirby games, Nintendo Land, F-zero, Pokemon, Zelda OOT and MM, Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Rhythm Heaven, and so, so many more games I can name that are the complete opposite of that, I bet you haven't played even half of these games.
Yes... and how do you think Nintendo earned that loyalty? By doing right everything Sony did wrong.
eliack95 to be fair, you could also say the other way around, as well
Nintendo's classic franchises (Mario, Zelda, etc) will sell millions even if ported to a washing machine. That's double true for Pokémon, one of the biggest money printers in the whole gaming industry. The Vita dind't had anything to compare with those. But I agree 100% with the reasons shown on this video.
But there can be quite a few of us as psp showed us who want to play sony games on the go....nitnendo systems and franschises dont' intrest me. I enjoy vita daily as I did psp
It’s the memory cards I saw a bunch of different ports I wanted to buy like hyperdemention Neptunia project diva f, estival versus and bunch of others but when I found out that each update is like 3.5 gigs and the standard cards supplied with it is four gigs and a thirty two gig costing sixty bucks I didn’t buy it was those stupid memory cards
Jokes on you, I'm a filthy weeb that buys any game with an animu waifu on it, so Vita is way worth it for me and still going great!
danganronpa, Ys, Neptunia, gal gun, atelier, lovely x cation, bullet girl, persona, god eater, Fate, senran kagura, Dragon's Crown, Freedom war, Akiba's strip, trails of cold steel, gundam, etc.
^Thus shit is the main Reason why i buy a vita
That's because it found success following a demographic by going from a mainstream handheld to a cult handheld for otakus/weebs.
Coming from a Vita owner idk how much more they could hurt if they just dropped the price to $150, made the memory sticks affordable, and ported great games from the PS3 and PS2(They've ported a small hand full but by playing some it looked like they didnt even try to make it look good), to lure people into buying it and playing their classic games on the go. Nintendo has been doing it since the original Game Boy. So wtf is Sony doing. If i didnt have a vita already from launch id definitely buy one if it was bundled with any GTA game or any other classic PS2/PS3 game.
I agree. Sony could do so much better with the Vita. Even the PS1 ports depend on Fans basically doing Sonys work for them. One of the problems is that Sony can't advertise just any game and port it. They need the publishers permission.
A dedicated online store for the Vita and a small price drop would significantly improve the Vitas image and sales.
They'd have to format the specific PS2 game to work on the Vita. A Vita beats a PS2, but not by much.
A Vita is significantly weaker than the PS3 (it's sub-HD - 576p). They'd have to downscale the game to make it work.
DaTechnoDood LevelX When they announced the vita at E3 they kept on bragging on how easy it was to port PS3 games to it. Idk about porting or developing games but wouldnt it be just as easy to port ps2 games.
Richie Landeros It IS easier to port games to the Vita from the PS3 - in comparison to the PSP. The PSP was 272p in comparison to 576p.
On a different note, what's up with these weird resolutions?
I'M NOT LETTING PS VITA DOWN!!!
What games do you recommend? I've had one for a while, but I've only got the Senran Kagura games on there.
EarlnEarl There's danganroppa,Digimon:Cyber Sleuth and killzone for me... I can't really remember much... That's why i play more on my 3ds...
Oh,there's monster hunter too!
David Jimenez DAVIDSNOOPY1 YOUR WORD SHAL LIVE ON MY VITA HERO
If you just leave your ps4 on and go half way around the world u can remote play via internet
The vita wasn't a success because sony didn't even try to make it a success.