My school has a yugioh club and before covid we got about 30 people a week who already knew how to play or wanted to know how to play so most of the people at out locals are from the school. Most of the people who try learning also stay.
I like how back in the GX era the idea of a duel academy sounded ridiculous. Like, what you would learn? How to fusion summon? pff... but then we got to a place where i 100% could see an actuall university-level course on each summoning method just because of how fucking confusing some particular interactions can be.
There's an issue with one player sitting there while another plays a ten minute turn and then losing if you don't have the right hand trap or cant break a board. You could just sit at home and play with yourself instead.
@Soniku Raharu I wish they would just reboot the game. Get rid of half the cards and most convoluted summoning mechanics (pendulum is fun, but it has to go, there's no justification for that much text in a card game). Just simplify it to make it easier for people to even get into. And 2 turn duels suck. They're fun to make your friend rage after they watch you spend a year setting up a board, but it's not an actual duel. Stop releasing all these cards that work together in a way where you set up your board on the first turn and win.
@Soniku Raharu This is why I will never actually physically get into the game. I'll play the video games for some quick fun, but I can't actually seriously get into yugioh.
I wish the community would be more welcoming. Remember years ago playing a kid and he wasn't bad and I asked him to look at his deck and asked what his strategy was and he said he watched Zexal and Utopia was his favorite card so he built a deck around that and I gave him some advice on how to make it more consistent then I saw he only had 2 copies of Utopia so I gave him one I happened to have in my binder
Problem is, the majority of people playing yugioh aren't that welcoming, at least that's what I experienced. Most of them just concentrate on winning, making pluses by selling you the cards at horrible prices and giving you the dumbest explanations on why it's so expensive, you can't really do a rogue/fun deck, because the competitive people come and say "why you don't play x, this deck is so bad, play x,y and z instead of this garbage" etc. at a rate like that, people aren't really attracted on coming back anymore, because they just hear complaints from others in a condescending way, even though others won't play said deck.
@@Andy4995 True, also had bad experiences, though my last visit to a local pre covid which was full of kids was actually pretty nice, many of them were playing their favorite decks like bewd because of the anime. Have high hopes that this trend continous here.
ok magic player Im really sick of "This card may not be normal summoned or set, this card may only be special summoned by...." AH I really wish Yugioh just had a word like "Special Summon Only" or some single word for that long line of text that feels like its on more boss monsters than not
@@carlosmarte428 I don't see how adding keyword would cause much of the problem, some old magic card doesn't have keywords and you can still leave it as is. When there's a new reprint you just print the keywords, new players who memorized keywords can use the new cards, while old players can still use the old card, as long as it's the same card and they do the same thing I don't see the problem there.
Technically they do already shorten it. It's currently "can not be normal summoned/set. Must (first) be summoned by (insert summon effect here)." So it's currently 10 words that are the same, with "first" usually being there but not always (this DOES make a difference on how the card works). EDIT: Forgot to add this part in, i do agree that it should be shortened further, i don't think it needs a keyword though. Maybe "must be (first) summoned by (explanation of how to summon it)"
Yu-Gi-Oh is a confusing game. Honestly, knowing how to play Pokemon, Magic, the new Digimon card game, and even playing Yu-Gi-Oh as a kid and teenager, the game's a mess in my opinion.
Definitely, I've played everything, VS, Duel Masters, the ones you mentioned, the old Digimon game..and Yugioh has similar rules, but the card text just complicates things so much..lol, like, you have to look in detail at the way things are worded to make sure that cards will work the way you want them to. With most other games you can tell just by reading some cards, but Yugioh you have to like deep dive and double check rulings and all that.
@@HongFeiBai Yes! It's been a little stagnant though unless you purchased from the early release. COVID has taken a toll on its traction to gain a large audience, but yet there is still a respectable community! It's a blast!
@@markfuston2714 my biggest concerning Yu-Gi-Oh is how absolutely chaotic the gameplay is... Like when I see people playing it on TH-cam these days, them and/or their opponents will spend 5 minutes on the opening turn which results in them burning half their deck... From the view point of any other major TCG on the market, that's crazy. If you did that in Magic or Pokémon, you wouldn't get to play a second game because half your deck would end up on the ban list... It's bonkers, lol
For every nice person you meet you’ll also meet , someone who doesn’t shower, they rage when losing, don’t let you touch there cards, only sell and doesn’t trade, like to say when your wrong but doesn’t admit when there wrong, won’t walk you through there combo or go back to explain. THIS IS WHY NO ONE STARTS PLAYING ANYMORE.
Players are coming back to the game. I'm cool with players not being handsy with cards. I'm happy to ask to read a card but not hold it they can just set it in view for a moment The game needs to be more inclusive and teaching a new player can lead to new friendships. I'm building 2 decks. one cheaper but newer and more powerful metawise and then a more expensive flavorful deck I want for nostalgia sake a blend of new and old. Please try to bring in a new player of they need help you see or look lost when you combo off. God bless
The combo part is why i stopped playing yugo. This was when the BLS and XYZ dragon supoort started to release. After a while the combos become too much and the opponent would try to confuse the combo usually so you wouldn't know what the end result of the chain would be, and considering that half the card say you can do this or cant do that it just made it too much, especially when the person playing the cards who knew the short hand of the combo wouldn't tell you what was going on. I know its not their responsibility, but when u go 5+ cards deep into a combo you should be willing to back track even if I cant respond at that point.
@@GIO77ification I big agree with this. I know I’m not going to understand every card you are playing, especially for decks I’ve never seen, but please just tell me what I’m up against. What board am I even facing and are my moves viable? Some people just want to win the game but not play it.
I dont know if your trying to point this out, but thats why people forget what their/other peoples cards do. people don't want to read paragraphs when they play games lol
I said it before and I'll say it again. Konami needs to make a "Duel Academy" series where they go over all the stuff you need to learn for the Yugioh TCG, from summoning mechanics to the hidden rulings. We'll be seeing new players then.
In other words, bring back the anime. Konami has actually spoken about that when a fan asked them, and they said that the animes aren't raking in enough money for them and to be fair, I blame it on bad writing, but Konami is right, I mean Yugioh Series 1 is the best easily, then Yugioh GX is very nostalgic, but it did get cancelled because Season 3 I believe was not doing so well. And Konami has already said that they will never make a dubbed season 4, cus it simply won't be making enough money. In other words, it all boils down to money, the card game is making them money, the anime, not so much. But in my opinion, the anime is definitely what will bring in new players, but the writing has to be better.
@@walkingcorpse1224 I agree but writing an original Yu-Gi-Oh story for 150 episodes on a weekly basis isn't exactly an easy job Also the reason why YGO Duel Monsters was the best is because it was a manga adaptation. It's easier to do a manga adaptation than an original story because all you have to do is pick which scenes to animate, which scenes to change etc.
@@walkingcorpse1224 the anime is a risky thing because it is itself just manga shilling. Sure GX to ARC-V got it backwards but that is all the anime is really useful for. Expecting FMA or something of its caliber to come out of it is way too much of a toll on them. Plus the anime never really explained what IS Yugioh TCG wise, especially the first one. The only one that had the potential to do so was GX but the writers didnt know what to do with the series.
I hope they will adapt the new Yu-Gi-Oh manga called "OCG Structures" into an anime. The protagonist actually is playing the real life OCG format with deckbuilding and stuff, it's a new breath of fresh air.
Yu-gi-oh, in general, is more fun when u don't focus on meta, cuz that's when it becomes pricey and u have to spend like 600+700 dollars. I like your idea of having "weight classes" cuz idk if I want to struggle my madolches against like a dragon link or drytron
Me and my group are specialized in rituals but only one player we have that has "meta" is the one person we all gang up on even in free for all just because the sheer amount of negates that we dont want to deal with. We play competitively but dont focus on negates unless its in small doses.
We do have a "weight class" in Yu-Gi-Oh. It's known as the tier system, now it's not official it is there. Tier 0 is a tier not many decks find their way there but decks that do find their way there on on the quick path to be hit by the banlist Tier 1 is the current meta if a deck can be considered capable of fighting the best there is it's considered tier 1 Tier 2 is rogue decks madolches would be considered in this tier
Big one is it’s too expensive. Kids don’t have money so how can they afford cards that are strong enough to keep up 🆙 and won’t get banned for Konami’s profit. If you’re a parent I’ll rather buy my kid a tablet than a deck. 🤷🏾♂️
Basically that's how Yu-Gi-Oh! is meant be be played. Forget the high tier stuff. Just buy a starter deck and have fun with your buddies. That's how I still have fun with my friends and we are groups now.
I would just buy them a yu gi oh game like the tag force back in the day if they are interested in yugioh. No high cost, just the game and done, no meeting with people that I don't know of (especially in a mostly adult community) and probably more fun as they could live their anime fantasies.
I agree, as a new player I was taken aback by the huge card pool and the long card text. I cut my losses and bought a speed duel battle city box. Not overwhelming at all.
Nah. Its actually low. Its just looks like it when you started on a wierd time and all the people you can played with might as well have a master's degree on the game. Its juat that the Player Skill ceiling is either too high, or has no bounds!
Not exactly. Players can just buy 3 of the newer structure decks and make a strong deck. Im new coming back for the first time in 14 years. I bought 3 Order of the spellcasters decks and will make the Cimoooooo budget Endymion pendulum deck
@@lanhikari2464 you got this homie. Just buy 3 of the same structure deck that you think is cool and you can do well. Then if needed you can add some special cards later ; )
Budget wise, no. Yugioh has always been amazing at structure decks, while other card games like Pokemon only started the "Good deck in a box" last year.
Yeah agreed. This and I think the OCG manga is something about making owning a card shop and learning the game by giving tips on how to play the game and apparently how to craft decks
At first I hated it, but then I noticed every effect had card disadvantage and if every card kinda sucks, its cool to have a bunch of effects require a discard effect cause... its not the end of the world to discard a baby dragon
Yeah I liked that old yugioh was about trying to make disadvantages an advantage. So like if you dump a baby dragon you would play off of getting back the baby dragon. Nowadays it's all, I dump baby dragon, I activate its effect, I chain with my card that pops and searches when a dragon type is discarded. I summon back baby dragon, and activate its effect to pop a card. Then I link summon into guard dragon-
Finally someone who sits there and says that calling someone a "bad player" is bad for the community. I hated people at our locals calling players bad. It's why I stopped playing and I switched to Vanguard. Vanguard also has this issue as well. It's a game people. Be more inviting.
This is pretty common in every competitive community you join. In the FGC its super common. Very few people in competitive game communities have the drive to welcome new players because everyone is trying to win. Showing others the path to victory could potentially put you in the oath to a loss. I played a pendulum player recently who kept pend summoning without using his extra deck pends and although I wanted to mention this, I also didn't want to do so because it would've lowered my chances to win the game.
It's a competitive cardgame. If you can't stand being called bad, just get better. Or quit because you're apparently not competitively motivated. both fine.
I'm not a yugi-player, I play mtg, but I know the situation you're discribing. What I do, in tournament play, is similar. I will not help my opponent in any shape. In my mind that's what you sign up for when you go to a tournament: Use YOUR skills to win YOUR game. You're, so to speak "on your own" in that moment. What I do, however, is go over the mistakes my opponent made AFTER the game is resolved, so there's a learning experience. Because in my mind, it's hard/impossible to improve at something if you do not even know that you made a misktake.
@@profanemagic5671 the problem isn't that people are telling new players their mistakes its that they are doing it in a mean way and not an informative way.
@@JanizMakudomaru you missunderstood me. The point was "get new players into ygo" and Rush duels for kids... and my point is: i don't think that kids which are happy with rush duels will switch to the Master rules when they like the Rus duel rules. It's basically a different game. It's not like Commander Format or something like that where the base rules are the same you only have a different restriction.
Same. It's easier for us to get into yugioh cause most of is know what's in store. Others it's just harder jumping Into something people already been mastering for years.
@@imbrawler1591 at the same time for someone who hasn't played in a significant amount of time will still have a lot of problems. A lot has changed over the years, and a lot of people played when they were younger and so didn't follow all rules correctly. Myself included. But with the right friends and watching the right TH-camrs it becomes a lot easier to fall back in place more than ever.
@@heftylad Exactly right. YugiTibers are a huge reason the community is the way it is. Without YugiTubers a huge chunk would be missing from Yugioh, and it would be impossible for even us to be at the level you have to be to play competitively. Which brings up my point that not every duelist has to play competitively. I even find it more fun to create "weaker decks" from past formats only allowing those cards to build decks. Then you can play a classic game of yugioh without all the intense, and complicated combos of 2021.
you only need a meta deck at higher tier events and a lot of people buy the deck before just to sell it afterwards right to a vendor again, netting them a loss of like 20% the deck price. For locals you should be fine playing a halfway competitive strategy (this is where decks arent that expensive).
I think something to watch out for is the fact that we no longer have an anime to promote the master duel/advanced format. Konami can keep on milking Kaiba and Yugi for years, but reruns and banking on those two alone aren't going to pull in new players.
Omg I'm so annoyed of the whole blue-eyes and dark magician legacy support. Its just so dumb that those decks get support ,but decks that really need support are getting bad or even no support at all, like galaxy/photon or volcanics.
I recently got a friend to start playing Yugioh via the Legacy of the Duelist game. They have like 15 hours in the game now and have yet to build a deck in-game because its so overwhelming to do. And I'm not sure what to do about it, but deckbuilding I think is an underestimated hurdle in yugioh. Its not just that the process is very complicated (Which of you actually follow the 20 monster, 10 spells and 10 traps guideline that are mentioned in official products?) - netdecking isn't even feasible a lot of the time. If you don't have the 3 Ash Blossoms, what do you substitute? Can you play a certain archetype if you're down one or two cards? This is something I think this game has a major issue with compared to say, Magic. In Magic you can make a "random" deck work by just having the correct amount of lands and a decent mana curve. While your structure decks in mtg won't win you tournaments, you feel like you actually have a chance against better decks, where in yugioh, if you bring a starter deck against someone with a meta deck, you see absolutely no sunlight, you don't even get to play the game. I think the disparity between a weak deck and a strong deck in yugioh is extremely high, which is why I think formats could help with that. Draft/Limited Formats would be so good for the health of the game.
I think we will all come together as a community and Yugioh will be better. Im coming back and if money is an issue, players can just buy 3 of the newer structure decks and make a strong deck. Im new coming back for the first time in 14 years. I bought 3 Order of the spellcasters decks and will make the Cimoooooo budget Endymion pendulum deck
Legacy of the Duelist is a great tool. The search features are very robust, you can even pick a card you like and sort the rest of your library by cards that can interact and combo with it. You can build an entire deck on your own if you just select a single card first!
have them steal a challenge deck they liked, then help them to improve it, grinding all of a challenge deck's cards is pretty easy, spam surrender or exodia or crusadia otk till you get every card 3 times, so 165 times max and less than that for most, I've won a few ladder games just playing Dinomists straight from the challenge duel with no extra deck and a few changes (filler spell/trap removed, some mediocre traps in, messed with ratios a little 3 of the challenge deck cards I wanted more 1-2 of the ones I wanted less) beyond that 2 great resources for link evolution specifically are the youtube channel joninjo which has tons of deck profiles and the website linkevolutionpro which has search pages for finding what cards are in all the packs and challenge duels(there are also link evolution tournament decks from april on there if looking for that, though not a perfect representation of what's possible), the itsbradz discord also has a linkevolution specific deckbuilding channel if looking for advice on cards to substitute for missing ones or whether a deck works/is extremely strong '.'
After getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh after a 10 year gap I was just mind blown about how far each turn goes. I'm not saying it's a bad thing it's just very confusing seeing so many set ups and summons at once. Got lost pretty easily lol
it's a far cry from needing mana like mtg. if you can still do something with cards and effects it's crazy how much you can do on a turn. I haven't played since 2005. But heck, I'll try learning Endymion pendulums for my first deck. Order of the spellcasters 3X structure deck build.
I am a new player who happens to be a high school student. I have been playing for 6 months and I can say I am really enjoying this game. I do have problems I have come across. 1. Distance to card shop: As a student I can't drive so I have to rely on buses and bikes. 2. Time card shops host locals: They usually host it around 7pm which causes me problems since parents don't want their kids coming home past 9pm. 3. Learning the game: It took me a month to learn the game, at first I given up but after playing master duel, I understood the current format more.
@@IcyHyoudou maybe master duels might do that, but cross-platform like duel links. Even so, Konami should take a long hard look at the game and plan the direction they want it to go. But I found they'll do that.
@@hickknight oh nice :0 I'll have to look into master duels, that sounds really interesting. And honestly, i agree with that. Konami really does need to take a good hard look into what they could do for the future of the game. I don't know if you've heard, but major retailers like Walmart and Target are about to pull out of the tcg market and that's kinda bad :c good for card shops, but man does it hit in the memories of buying packs eons ago xd
Honestly, if they put effort into something even remotely close to that, yugioh would become a world wide phenomenon. As in it would be just as major as sports.
This is a joke but you're also right A duel disk + AR specs that responded and showed different things by interacting with said duel disk would be the soonest thing ever They could probably figure out how to wirelessly hook it up to big TV screens and recorders for like world championship matches and stuff too
"Card shops used to have days to teach new players but not anymore" when i first showed up at my locals (2 years ago when i was 11) i was kinda just expected to sit down and start playing, granted i knew how to play but did i know missing the timing existed? nope! and there were some super nice and patient people in there but when i sat down on my second day some guy accused me of slow playing because i was deciding if i should negate or not and so i didnt show up for another week/week and a half but i got back into it and some people are nice but for each nice person there is gonna be a bad person :/
My school has a yugioh club and before covid we got about 30 people a week who already knew how to play or wanted to know how to play so most of the people at our locals are from the school. Most of the people who try learning also stay.
Saddly that's how it is everywhere for everything. No matter where you'll go you'll find toxic people. Don't focus on them, focus on the nice players and what you enjoy about the game.
As a returning player I've noticed alot of the at shop learning problem is more so a shop hiring problem alot of the people there are cool with there regulars but if a new person walks in they act like douche bags (atleast in my area) and are really condescending
Its will get better with Covid. People wanna interact again. People realize you need others to play this game. More people playing is a good thing and teaching should be the first thing they wanna do. Not only to show off how good their decks are but show the new folk what its all about. Hope staff gets better in stores
I remember going to my first locals tourney. The guy working helped me build a deck with zombie madness structure. Won my first tournament and kept going every weekend. Made a lot of friends then graduated hs and stopped playing. Tried getting back in the game after 10 years. Settled on speed duels and not a lot of people play it, sucks.
Big wall of text incoming, I'm typing this as I'm watching the video so it's pretty much a stream of consciousness. I think we should implement a similar system to Pokémon with the age brackets at all types of events (rather than just Dragon Duels at premier events) to keep the similar ages together and form their own "community" without having to worry about getting kerb stomped by the meta players every week (obviously there may be these players in the lower age brackets but they're a little more sparse). However you are right that the game itself is too complicated. As much as demo days are great at giving a one off view into the game, the demos aren't really representative of the current game. You brought up the official simulator which I think would work as a bridge between the demos and playing the game "for real", maybe distributing free stuff for the simulator at the demo days. As a YCS judge myself I've had many thoughts and discussions with others about how the game could be improved organisationally and unfortunately a lot of the fixes would almost require a complete overhaul of the system which while not a bad thing may end up losing players in the short term and not provide enough of an improvement further down the line so I doubt we will see huge changes, although I'm happy to be proved wrong. Alternate formats is the thing that is growing MTG at the moment with commander now being THE way to play magic at the moment. Unfortunately again there may need to be an overhaul of product design. We can't do drafting with the current set design, we can't do a commander type format because of the lack of interactivity between cards because of the archetypes. The only alternate formats that seem to be actively played are historic formats but konami's attempt at this with generation duels was supported for one event then abandoned, which again highlights an issue with alternate formats that there needs to be support from stores and konami to actually run these events. I would love to play a traditional tournament but outside of a single ycs side event there's just nothing for it. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
If I recall, the reason we don't see Traditional Format events, is because apparently not enough people show up. (This was stated by Konami) so while they hear the demand for it, they simply don't see it when it does happen. Also we do kind of have a "Draft Format", if I recall there was a product that was designed specifically for that.
The age group thing might work tbh. I have a problem with people saying yugioh needs to become simpler, because that's what keeps most of the existing player base in the game. There's also no proof that its a problem for the game, as its growing regardless. When you think about it it kinda makes sense. The rules aren't on loaded all at the same time, there's been whole formats where the if versus when ruling wasn't relevant in any of the good decks. Given how much money it takes to invest in a deck, most new players stick with one for a while, and get accustomed to their specific rulings over time.
@@romkin1197 If it was better supported then more people would turn up. It's like organising a concert for your band without putting up any posters and complaining when people don't show
the game needs some mechanic changes. There should probably be a "all card effects can be used once per turn unless stated otherwise" type rule. They could probably remove missing the timing since that is usually the easiest thing to mess up when new. I still think we need to get rid of archetype mixing, but that is unrelated(even if it would probably fix the balance issues)
I really wish Speed Duels had gotten more player attention and local support. The format is legitimately fun and the battle city box is insane. Speed Duels attempted to solve a lot of the problems you talked about, but it just floundered out of the gate and never found its footing.
I mean, speed duels is great bc it’s how I’m getting my nephew into the game. I also had him download duel links to play when I’m not with him end duel links is how I got back into yugioh this last year after not playing since goat format. I’ve been playing duel links for a couple years before I decided to get into the actual game again. So idk. Speed duels do seem kinda dead in my city though. No one really plays. I think that’s a shame Bc I’d love to take my nephew to a speed duel tournament once covid passes
@@TraaaaaasshBooooaaaatttt Other people definitely like using card that are in the anime, just because Celtic guardian is a non effect monster with shit stats, docent mean people wouldn't LOVE to use Celtic guardian if given the chance they just CANT. To each their own, i will keep on having fun with Lajinn, lord of D and blue eyes in speed duels.
im 27. played alot back in the dino rabbit/chaos dragon/dark world turbo days. My friend is 29 just starting for the first time and i gotta admit teaching him how to play opened my eyes to how much weve learned over the years to play this game.
Ay nice!, I’m around that age and I taught my friend to this year, who is older then myself, and I think what drew him to the game was the strategy of the game once you get how to play and the mech art cards. I taught him with a duel links/speed duel format since it’s not as complicated at the tcg yet, we used tabletop simulator and edo pro. I taught him the concept of normal summon and special summon first with fur hires, since they are very easy to special summon and the effects aren’t too complicated with the limited card pool of duel links, now he’s playing trains!
Yep, but that's the thing, the age group is 24 - 34, it's rare when u see an 18 year old playing and even rarer when u see a 40+ year old playing which is evident to Yugioh players more and more likely qutting passed 35, or the other possibility, they become the last players around.
Personally, I think one of the main problems with Yu-Gi-Oh is that there's a disconnect between the largest advertisement for the game being the Anime and the players who actually play the game. The anime still treats itself as if the game is a children's card game even though the modern majority of players nowadays are college-age players. The remedy to this is if the Yu-Gi-Oh anime ages alongside their audiences and becomes a Seinen anime instead of a Shounen Battle style one. More fanservice, more in depth stories, more in depth exploration of characters, and going into things you would actually do preparing for an IRL tournament like shopping for singles. It would be awesome of modern day Yu-Gi-Oh anime to talk about the immense costs of the game, to comment on actual game theories like 40 vs 60 cards/missing the timing, having players prepare their cards for a tournament and using different engines together, or even just using one of the things that make the game so dynamic: the side deck. As the anime is right now, its more of a glorified tutorial for new summoning mechanics rather than an advertisement that gets new players into the game. Examples of how an anime can sell a really expensive game are basically all the gacha games out there like the Fate series for the extremely successful Fate/Grand Order.
@@Habeev07 His comment is saying we should shy away from the original anime's style completely and make the anime focus on modern cards, the current format, grounded realistic fiction approach, etc.
This would be so easy to do if they just followed the original anime’s character, but have them 10 years older so that their game progresses like it has in real life
Tried to teach my brother and he spent pretty much the entire game looking at cards reading effects every time a monster is summoned. Afterward, he still didnt understand. Showed him duel link and he learned it in a few hours. Eventually yugioh will need to go digital to survive.
@@ColdEmperor Legacy of the Duelist for me. I can play with all the older cards, avoid new summoning mechanics all I want and just play with cards that would require me to buy them all second hand since if I wanted to play the real deal I'd have to do just that because there isn't any set around that just has older cards. I just wish I could set the rules so that things like the link and pendulum zones were gone or ban certain mechanics, like revert back to certain master rules or eras so that you could host your own online tournaments with custom rules or something. Letting the computer handle the rulings is much easier for the weird card interactions but even so the biggest problem is the unwritten rules. I'll say it again, unwritten rules should not be a thing, the game would be far more appealing to new players if cards did what they said rather than weird interactions that you'd have to look up online to know are even a thing. Because nothing is going to turn players off like being told that the cards don't actually do what they say because no one is going to want to spend all the time to research dozens of cards that they wanted to build a deck out of just to try and play the damn game to find out if the things even work as written. That would be the biggest improvement to the games approachability and would actually shift up the meta quite a bit as a lot of things would change for the game. Then of course you can tackle the problems such as pricing, card availability, support for older archetypes so they can actually be a thing. Support for things that aren't Dragons/Fiends/Spellcasters, Light/Dark, making everything new a Link/Pendulum card. We all know Ritual summoning is the worst kind of summoning and it's not that it's just not as good as other types of summoning, it's literally just bad. If ritual monsters were kept in the extra deck like how it was in the anime, then that would be an improvement to the game flow by making them less of a dead card. Further I think another turn off to new players was a joke Team APS did in one of their videos where a new player wanted to play Blue-Eyes and the joke was the deck had three Blue-Eyes, they were all in the grave and the field had all kinds of other monsters OTHER than Blue-Eyes. That splashability of cards is nice but you have a serious issue when every deck has Ash Blossoms or are running Needlefiber or Halxifibrax or some other super splashable card that starts combos with everything else in the game. I know it would be all but impossible to make a rule about banning cards in decks if you have too much variety but that's a huge problem that new players are facing is that they don't see a deck be about a certain thing, at best most decks are Half one archetype and the other half if just an engine of everything else to get those cards out sometimes or it's the other way around. Plus you have the issue of these super long combos that make turns take 15 minutes and a game will last 30-45 minutes which sounds kind of reasonable because that's what some anime episodes take to do but then you see that it's just 2-3 turns that's ridiculous. That comes from the game not having a resource requirement to do certain things so you can infinitely special summon so long as you have an effect that lets you do it. Maybe it's a bit controversial but if all effects were hard once per turn unless stated otherwise that would stop a lot of these recycling of cards just to flood your own field with stuff and then if there was a summon limit such as only 1 summon of each type per turn, so 1 Link, 1 pendulum, 1 xyz, 1 synchro, 1 fusion, 1 ritual, 1 normal summon per turn would also stop these engines that make you sit and wait 12 minutes for your opponent to stop playing with themselves. Yeah it's harsh but I can't see any way that kills this complaint about the game that keeps new players from even wanting to touch the cards. Sure some decks would suffer greatly because they would be stopped from summoning a bunch of cards like they normally could. Basically if they put Ritual monsters into the extra deck then it would be an easy rule to implement, Only 1 summon of each type from the extra deck per turn. Then they could errata specific cards that were designed to get out a lot of monsters of a specific archetype rather than Generic summoners, so cards for Harpies would get an errata to get around the ruling so long as they were specifically for summoning other Harpy cards. That would kill a ton of splashable cards that were used outside their archetype but I think that would work to get decks back to actually having themes or archetypes and that would work to help Konami know what needs to be buffed like Volcanics or Noble Knights since they would see that these archetypes need more support to do certain things and that could be solved with releases that give those archetypes more targeted support rather than just a generic card the every deck would run but would finally bring the bottom tier decks into some usage and prevent those cards from being snatched up by every deck under the sun. Which I think would also help the prices since some cards would change prices since you wouldn't want things like Ash Blossom for your deck unless you were running Ghost Girls or something rather than it being a staple 3 in every deck.
Yeah one year and half ago i started duel links cause I was interested in yugioh but didn't know jack shit even though I made an account 3 years ago before this but quickly quit. After playing around and watching dkayed i managed to learn the rulings and some intricacies but still there aren't a lot of the confusing interactions from the physical card game in the digital but still it is a good stepping stone to start learning. But i think that if you start with duel links there is a high chance you will stay with duel links cause it is cheaper and not everyone has a local card shop or place to play with people.
Elitism in complex games is sadly a common thing. YGO isn't the only game that has that problem. It's all over the place in video game communities too. People want to feel important for spending a lot of time learning a hard game and putting down new players seems to be one part of achieving that, if they lack other means of seeing success. It's pretty sad.
@@eduardogutierrez3753 ah i thought this was for something else, but either way it did a far better job teaching me mechanics than any of the other games did, and just a bit ago i learned what pendulum summoning was, only reason rulings doesnt go deep is that deck size and boards are small and we only go up to xyz, we dont have pendulum or link yet
I recently came back to yugioh this year after like 15 years. Playing magic for the last 7 years and yugioh is way more complex than magic nowadays because of so many corner case bullshit not written on cards
thats what I tried talking about with the MTG group on discord. I don't play yugioh but I keep up with new sets, and watch out for highlights, deck builds, etc. I tried to explain how complex Yugioh is now. They didn't believe me, they still stand on MGT being the most complex and deep game. They thought just cause you can play cards outside game doesn't make it complicated. When I started expanding on link zones, pendelums, syncro and fussion diff. They were to stubborn to refute it.
This is what I believe Rush Duels were made to solve: -Aimed at younger kids -The rules are simpler -Card interactions are simplified and more obvious. -Provides an alternate format for players Despite it working on solving every problem addressed in the vid, people have been giving it a really bad name, I hope this dies down by the time it gets an international release.
But do you think people in the Yu-Gi-Oh community are willing to make a concerted effort promoting Rush Duels? Do you believe that influencers like TeamSamuraiX or Cimo are fine making a lot of content based on Rush Duels and educating people about it?
Yeah, I've played Yugioh tcg casually with friends and online mixed causal and competitive for nearly 5 years as well as watching all the animes. I love Rush duels so much, and I know they're meant to be for young people to learn. I really hate this community for shitting on Sevens and Rush duels, a format and show not aimed at them, for no good reason and therefore pushing people away. Same for speed duels
As much as there's a problem with gaining new players the game for years has had a problem with losing old ones. I use to love to play YGO all the time but dropped it like a rock the second pendulums were introduced. If they had made various formats for players to play in I think the longevity of the game would have been extended greatly. For a player like me I want to play something between GOAT format and modern in the synchro or xyz era because the game really feels so different depending on when you were playing but players like me are left in the cold with no format they like being played anymore
I'm a brand new Yugioh player (coming from Master Duel which appealed to me) and I think what helped me was how generous Master Duel was with gems. I'd started with the dragon deck they give you and inevitably I'd get destroyed almost right away. I started noticing certain cards being used ALL the time like Ash Blossom Joyous Spring & "Maxx C" so I started generating those cards for my deck, rinse and repeat. Now I use a Dark Magician deck with some of those cards and other supporting cards after a few TH-cam videos helped me out. I do feel like I "powered through" or "got good" but at the same time it feels like I'm becoming what they call a "meta sheep"? despite having not played for more than a few days. Master Duel lets me copy some meta cards without the high IRL cost of the physical card since it's just 30 UR points. I do feel like I got lucky by being stingy with my free gems until I had an idea of what cards I wanted eventually building a blue eye deck and a dark magician cards using cards as new as the 'chaos' boosters which just dropped.
props to you for going after old school theme, can respect that. I myself go for gimic decks and they're fun while absolutely unbalanced in loosing way. Its a lot more fun playing with a friend rather then randoms. You should try it.
pay to win, power creep, graveyeard is the second deck, summon und combo chains take 7 minutes, effects are too consistent to search the deck. It feels more like autopilot instead of strategy
So far every card game is pay to win by nature, and ygo is even less p2w than most tcgs Graveyard being important only adds depth and strategy to the gameplay Combo decks atm are more around 4 minutes per turn and they are nothing but autopilot. Having consistant access to cards only makes the game less luck-dependant, as well as adding strategy ( since you'll need to choose what do you want to search ) But yeah apparently modern YGO is autopilot
Explain to kids about missing the timing, chains, Pendulum summoning, how 90% of archetypes die to one Ultimate Conductor Tyranno, etc. Plus, the price tag for a decent deck might be too high for kids. Ask a kid to purchase 3 Ash, 3 Extravagance, 3 Nibiru, etc. Usually kids I know (I work at a middle school) just buy one structure deck and call it a day.
Everyone starts somewhere tbh. I was 10 when I received my first structure deck. I kept most of the cards in moderately played condition, but I stuck around long enough with the help of my dad and friends tbh. I think finding people to play with is something that depends on the individual
Cardfight vanguard (created by one of the yugioh artists 10 years ago) now has 3 formats and they are constantly trying to get new players in. The new reboot Cardfight vanguard: Overdress is coming and people should try it out.
As a casual player (meaning not really into big/long combos), those decks that get like 3+ "boss" monsters just about every turn makes the game unenjoyable. Granted, it's probably due to the fact I like slower/more traditional duels. Don't get it twisted tho, i like links, xyz, etc... its just how popular OTKs. It's as if you stand no chance if you don't build a deck like that
@@King_Cova nah, they're a really easier way to understand the game and people just hate it because It's not what they play, because people like to just insult things.
I agree, yugioh does have a new player problem. The game is advertised for 6+ year olds. Last I checked, I don’t know that many (if any) “kids” that actually play. I really don’t see 6 year olds grasping how to play the game with all the rulings that the rule book doesn’t even touch. That and card text is kind of an issue with that as well.
Even back in the day, before XYZs and stuff, when I played more "seriously" it was an issue. Like, there was this kid with a ridiculous deck, since his dad bought him everything, but he didn't know how to pilot the deck and wouldn't listen to advice.
I think we will all come together as a community and Yugioh will be better. Im coming back and if money is an issue, players can just buy 3 of the newer structure decks and make a strong deck. Im new coming back for the first time in 14 years. I bought 3 Order of the spellcasters decks and will make the Cimoooooo budget Endymion pendulum deck
This is why I think it's great that Konami came up with Rush Duels. Way easier to get into the card game (since no other summoning methods than tribute) and YGO Sevens' characters are kids (with very few exceptions). Older fans/player might find it stupid but this is what we needed for the younger generation imo.
@@mikai4738 A lot of older fans hate Rush Duels and Sevens, but they have to understand that they are not the target demographic for Rush. Master Duels are doing just fine without an anime, but the anime needs to bring kids to the game, so I think Rush Duels and Sevens are a great way to make the game easier so kids can get into it, and if they want to play a different way they can start with Speed Duels, and then they can "graduate" to Master Duels.
Dude I've been saying yugioh needs different formats to make it more interesting and fun to play and keep old decks in rotation so returning players aren't scared away by power creep and new summoning types
I'm a returning player and the way I been learning the new rules of the game (since it's been over a decade since I've played) had been watching videos on the rules and then putting it into practice in YGO Omega. They're still working out the kinks on the software but it's personally been a fun and useful way to learn.
@@chriscm2711 oh lol when I got back into yugioh like 5 years ago I went back to the cards that got me into yugioh, which were harpies. Now I play harpies, and toons. I want to bubble cubics next. But idk I like playing not meta decks but cubics are just way under powered lol
My locals doesn't even *have* a dedicated day for YuGiOh. I think maybe we used to have a tournament a week, but the turnout was always pretty small (I wasn't ever able to go because of work). Compared to MTG, Pokemon, and Vanguard, YuGiOh was an ant of a game there. This lack of new players is rooted in a lot of things. Modern competitive YuGiOh is a game about rule-setting, it's about permission. Control Decks and Combo decks both focus on gameplay about denying and permitting your opponent to activate their cards. The brutal and binary nature of the game is extremely feelsbad for new players, and people quit the game for new and old ones that actually have interaction. Konami panders specifically towards old players. Without a new show in TCG regions, we've been getting retrains and such, support for older archetypes that tickle the nostalgia of the 25 - 30 year olds who watched the original show. I'm fairly enfranchised and I hate how much stuff we get that's just pandering to old players. I'll complain about it forever. YuGiOh's competition are not only more heavily advertised, but they're just better designed games. YuGiOh isn't a very good game when compared to other ones that offer more of everything various players want, even a new game like Legends of Runeterra has infinitely more depth of gameplay over YuGiOh. A new format or two would be great, but the fundamentals of the game would need to be adjusted in the rules of those new formats, aside from card availability. Lack of accessibility, a gatekeepy player base, gameplay that isn't *consistently fun* for both players, etc. YuGiOh's built these huge walls to keep new players out, it seems. Lot's to talk about.
This is all very true. And these issues are becoming more and more concentrated. Yugioh players are extremely allergic to the idea of card rotation, but the card pool is simply too large to keep power creep at bay.
I wish they would find a way to structure rulings like in a similar way to problemsolving cardtexts. Like grouping effect-"classes" together and then allow for a completd ruling for that effect "class". Also, i know this will sound like sacrilege, but i think they should remove the if-when distinktuon. Missing timing is such a stupid and complicated mechanic, i bet even thise who say they understand it don't really understand it
Hey, not a new player but a returning one (or at least I tried to). I stopped playing a bit after Synchros came out (so like in 2008-09) just cause I wasn't feeling so passionate about the game at the time. Somewhere around 2019 I saw some of the new cards and the art looked pretty cool and then got into a lot of yt videos and I just felt the urge to play som yu-gi-oh again. I didn't want to spend a bunch of money buying packs and cards just see if I would like the game again so I just downloaded ygopro and looked for the top meta decks and started to watch some videos explaining the decks etc. I just took whichever looked the coolest and started to play against AI to understand the deck. But holy shit I just couldn't. It was just too complicated, the cards have too much text, I couldn't effectively read all the text and understand everything and still play somewhat efficiently. Keep in mind ygopro even asks you if you want to activate certain cards and their effects, if I had to know all this as well then I would literally just miss like 3/4s of the effects and activations. I think the barrier of entry is just too high, like knowing how your deck works and what it's supposed to do is already complicated enough for a new player but learning like all the proper activation and different timings on card just seems like an absolute nightmare. There's also the unwritten and specific rulings about certain cards as you said which is honestly just borderline impossible for a new player without like irl guidance to really learn. I can guarantee you that even on a match between 2 experienced players they can easily miss timings and not even know about jank super specific rulings some cards might have. I do believe Konami just makes huge text walls for the sake of making the game more complicated. I know card games are bound to get more complex as time goes on, it's inevitable. People would just get bored of playing vanilla yu-gi-oh eventually but there are just so many mechanics that I really think that unless you have a friend that will take their time teaching you everything then it's almost impossible to get into this game, it just feels like a chore and a torture to try to understand everything by yourself (with like videos and guides I mean).
I was with you. I could memorize a few 'lines' with a deck or a few things few targets I need to "hand trap". But the game is just insane. I don't think you could do it unless you watched these lines develop. I could buy a structure deck and I wouldn't even know what to do with the cards.
I wish ygo in the TCG would be like in the OCG where they get multiple rarities of a card right from the get go and you can decide whether you want to spend a lot for a shiny version or just play a common.
@Soniku Raharu yeah they do. People in the OCG would never accept their policy like we have it in the TCG. People there would boycott the game, same like they now boycott ps5 because ps5 controllers there do now have the same buttons as in the west and they were used to their own button layout. Meanwhile people in the TCG areas seem to be way more resilient to bad behaviour and cash grab of companies which is the reason why konami uses the TCG as a cash cow and shortprints cards that have proven to be important in the meta. Theres no reason for them to change it like in the OCG, because the TCG is dumb enough to pay those prices. Why would they change a good working strategy? Yugioh in the OCG is one of the best card games existing. There they care for the players and they give everyone the opportunity to be able to build a cheap meta deck (commons possible). You even have to take a look at their OCG website, its new and fresh. Meanwhile the official TCG website looks like out of the year 2003. I might want to add that the card quality is way higher in the OCG then the TCG. Have you ever had an original OCG card in your hands? It feels way better, semms like they print it on a thicker material there. I mean i do get that the OCG is their main area but why cant you give us that quality of a game aswell? Yugioh would compete way better with common card games here (like magic or pokemon), because most of the negative sites of yugioh just arent true for the OCG.
did anyone of you tried to explain pendulums to a 7 year old? the kid told me i'm nuts and the game is crazy and went back to play cod on pc, i'm very happy to see our yugi tubers do videos when they're 50 years old bcs no one else will
Unfortunatley they can't, because it would become an advertisement and violate some laws surrounding that. At least in the U.S. That is why in the U.S. version of the yugioh anime, we don't actually have text boxes on the cards that appear.
@@Sheikah_Architect That is Bandai Namco's work around when they have the Gundam Build Fighters anime which is an anime that shows building techniques and Toy products, they put the anime series on TH-cam but put the more serious Gundam shows like Iron Blood Orphan on Networks
Vrains did head in a similar direction. They covered at least the more common questions, like Links dont have level or can't turned to defense, when get they get bounced to the hand they return to the extra deck etc... It didn't really covered complex rulings but it was WAAAAY closer to the actual card game then anything we saw with Yugioh classic or GX. Less anime exclusive cards, actual strategy, MR4 was basically the anime format with gouki, trickstar, altergeist, salamangreat, rokket(aka dragon link)... they all saw competitive play. And I hope that they continued that in sevens and what ever comes after that.
Honestly a big reason is that it’s become more of a business than a game. Take dragoon for example, your average kid/teen will probably only get 3-5 packs every month or so (so unlikely to pull one) and doesn’t have $60 to spend on a piece of cardboard. Just using dragoon as an example. It’s become about who has more money rather than who has more skill (in a lot of cases)
it always was tho take Mechanical chaser for example a tournament pack exclusive card that powercrept everything prior by 50 points, etc YGO always had problems with "money wins"
@8:11 FYI, the only reason YOU have seen Yugioh ads on social media is because they show specific ads based on YOUR own searches. I have NEVER seen any Yugioh ads anywhere because I don't usually search that stuff. Those ads are shown to YOU specifically.
I would say being a returning player after a long time that some things I would fix: -Paragraph long effects: when I have to read a book in order to fully understand the card, that is a problem -link summoning/extra deck: get rid of it, or let only 5 cards in the extra deck to simplify the game -rules that are official on their website and easily accessible I feel that the problem with yugioh is that it is way too complicated, when looking at Pokemon TCG it isn't very complicated and the cards in Pokemon don't have paragraph long effects/ 2-3 other effects of the card in certain conditions. when you overly complicate a game it isn't fun anymore.
I've played Yugioh, Pokemon, and Magic the Gathering and this issue goes across all TCGs that it's hard for new players to jump in and be competitive with other players. I've seen game stores completely close because people stopped showing up to play because the same top tier players would always win get all the prizes and everyone else would question why am i spending money, time, effort in this hobby just to show up to a event lose and get nothing for my trouble and not enjoy myself. Then end up leaving the hobby all together.
Thats exactly my main reason i quit tcg (pokemon and vanguard). Imagine for ths first time in 3 years you finally win and got 1st place .......... on local shop weekly turney
As someone who has been trying to pick up the game with some friends over the last couple of weeks, it's 100% the density of text for us. It really slows the game down when you've got to read a paragraph of text whenever your opponent plays something. Keywords would really help, and they don't need to be done all at once. Especially if they're creating an online version of the game.
For myself, a magic tcg player, I really like the "keyword" kinda thing. It makes things so much easier, you know what the card does when you can read three words, as basic as it gets. I really wanted to get back into yugioh, but there is just so much new stuff and products that I have no idea where to start. Another problem is, even my local shop doesnt even sell cards anymore... It's kinda sad tho, plus I don't even know anyone who still plays it. :/
Paul: shorter text in keywords it's a little too late for that because we printing old cards it's not practical. Me: * staring at speed duels* Also me: then what is this format for?
This video hit the nail on the head for me. I thought about dipping back in after about 16 years, a nice hobby during quarantine. It's not that I'm mad at new mechanics or something like that, but it is quite dense. And this is coming from someone who's an adult, can you imagine a kid learning this for the first time?
I know I’m hella late, but kids actually learn this pretty easily because they’re like sponges when it comes to new things. I know this is anecdotal, but I taught my 7 year old niece how to play Yugioh recently and I taught her the mechanic and after a few hours she understood how to play. The only difficult part was explaining what certain words mean or how to pronounce them. I think as adults we try to figure out the why things do what they do making it more complicated for ourselves. This game isn’t easy to learn, I just think kids learn how to play just easier if that makes sense.
The way I ended up learning the game way back when was through the video games. The various GBA games a la Eternal Duelist Soul, Tag Force 1-6 + Special, the 5Ds & Millennium Duels XBLA games, etc.
Why do people think kids will read and go through tons of tutorials when older players don't even feel like reading their cards?! Players want a game that they can jump into and enjoy.
I’m just getting back into it and from my observation the new players are mostly players who played at some point. Tbh getting back into it is something you have to really want. The new mechanics, card texts, card prices etc can be very off putting and doesn’t seem worth it.
I'm a new player and so is my sister. So, my first impression was it was not going to be easy to learn...😅 I still don't get Link and Pendulum summoning, but other than that, I'm learning pretty ok.
@@LokiTheClever So, it's a weird story. I watched this one video where the pharaoh plays poker and I started watching the anime afterwards, then I wanted to play the card game, and here I am now
The problem with alternative formats is that most Yugioh players either don’t care about it or are against it. Look at Speed Duels for example. Sure you can say that Konami doesn’t support it enough or that Konami doesn’t know where to market Speed Duels towards. But the players attitude towards it also doesn’t help. They act like it is an inferior format in comparison to the advance format and don’t even try it, while they are crying that they get handtrapped in the main game. Rush Duels are already looking better, at least that format is clearly marketed towards kids. But most people I have seen only like how the cards are different looking and want just that for the advance format, but aren’t interested in Rush Duels at all. The only ‘accepted’ alternative format by the player base seems to be Goat-format because that is very nostalgic for people who played Yugioh in their childhood. Ironic that the same people who want to feel nostalgic about their childhood make it so hard for kids nowadays to try and play Yugioh.
When I was a kid during DM and GX I went to locals a handful of times and found it frustrating. I was talked down to and someone even rule sharked me for a small mistake so he wouldn’t have to finish the duel. I was bitter with my yugioh experience for awhile. I looked at gettting back into it around Kozmo format and it was intimidating with all the mechanics. I had been playing magic and finding ruling or interactions was simple enough, but not for yugioh. The only reason I got back into was thanks to a friend who walked me through a few different formats to really learn the rules ground up. I wish there was a community effort to publish a more comprehensive rule book. That way people know how to chain block, or realize that an effect can miss timing, or that there is a difference between something being an optional cost or an activation cost that’s mandatory. This is probably one of the biggest hurdles to yugioh.
As someone who stopped playing in 2008 and came back in 2021... there is an overwhelming amount of card effects that you have to learn to be good at this game
Its gotten too fast. It used to be 1st turn: normal summon, activate a spell, set 2 cards Now its like: normal summon, now that normal summon special summons from the deck, now when those 2 cards are on the field they special summon a third, now I activate a spell to special summon a 4th, now I can use a hand trap cause fk you and it destroys all cards on your field and my 4 monsters attack you directly, and one of them has the effect to special summon another when it attacks so I win!
@@DrakeSilver Not that but having more variety in summoning and just the overall faster pace of the game is more my thing tbh but each to their own ofc
@@Ciggiesaftersex if it was only "faster pace" then there would be no problem. That is not what current yugioh is though. It's every single deck doing the exact same thing, the exact same plays, all the time every single time. There is no variety in which decks are played. They all have pretty much the same goal. They all MUST be able to achieve the same things. Sorry but tell me where is the "variety" you speak of? because i don't see it. Whether you care to admit it or not, but the game itself and the way the meta is and will more than likely will be forever, is the biggest reason why people stop caring about the game. The game is currently in such a horrible state because of said "fast pacing"
I used to think exactly like you until I tried playing Nightmare Troubadour for the DS again and found that everything was much slower and much less fun than I remembered. The game now has many flaws but I find it way more engaging, even if getting ftk'd can get annoying
Another thing that didn't get mentioned in the video which I personally believe could help yugioh would be for Konami to just make better structure/starter decks again, like decks where you could have a budget of 30 *insert currency here*,buy 3 boxes of it at your locals and work away from there. The last decent deck in this category I think have been Shaddolls and the last one before that was Salamangreats. Anything after that was either too complicated to work with as a beginner like Endymions, needed cards that are in packs that aren't sold anymore or in high rarities like Dinos, Rokkets and Machina and then theres the collectors fodder like what the sad excuse we have for SDs we have now and coming soon, Charmers and Ice barriers(TLDR: imagine little Timmy buying 3 ice barrier decks and wondering why his opponent is clapping his cheeks with anything else and you see my point).
I think the way Konami releases their structure decks is a little silly and wasteful. They should just make the one structure deck with multiples of the cards you need and just charge 20-30 dollars depending on the quality of the deck. That way newer players can just buy one product with mostly everything they need and get cards to improve the deck on the secondary market. It saves on paper and new player confusion.
I disagree with the charmers a little bit. You could probably make an aight control deck out of it... if it had some links for or maybe a couple of extra floodgates. You have the fairy tale cards and good enough searching, but not enough to make a competent deck w/o something else. Maybe if Luna was unbanned you the deck might have been decent. But nope, we didn't even get Evenly for some reason. Oh well. The Ice Barrier deck though? Hard agree. At least the Frog Engine and good backrow is reprinted I guess, but nothing that is effective on its own.
I think we could really use a big ruling update to simplify some stuff(probably together with a errata wave) 1. it might be too late for keywords, but can unify some effect, that differentiate from another because of a single word. Example: Missing timing, you can only use/activate this effect once per turn. Is there any modern card that still misses timing? We can just throw this stuff out the window. 2.Simplify battle(like you mentioned) 3. Segoc could also be simpler. Like in Digimon Tcg it is, "Turn Player activates stuff in any order, after that the opponent activates stuff in any order. New effects can be activated? Repeat, else continue normally." Thats it.
Definitely agree on more resources to help players learn the game. Part of this burden is on the community as well. When I got back into the game in 2017 after a 5-6 ish year hiatus it was pretty difficult for me learning new card interactions and the such, in particular how pendulums worked. I'd go to locals and mostly lose matches and when I'd ask my opponents for help on how I could have played it better or what I'm supposed to do in a situation or how to beat archetype X my responses would mostly be "You just gotta get good." or "Go learn all the cards." If the only way your players can have a fighting chance at the game is to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire card pool then your game has a problem. If your players all rude and secretive about every bit of YGO knowledge they've accumulated over the years than no one is going to want to come back to that store to play.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Lmao, if Sevens is trash why does it have better ratings than some other shows? (even better than Shadowverse which was treated like the 7th ygo series because some people didn't like Sevens' look) Honestly, if you dislike the look, fine, but calling it trash just for this reason is stupid.
Well, you get "dark" in basically every ygo series but if you want older characters again like in 5D's, try Vrains. It's less comedic than Arc-V or Zexal or even early GX.
@@mikai4738 1) Ratings have absolutely nothing to do with quality. The worst shows get to the top cuz they target a large audience including kids and teenagers with terrible taste. It's not their fault though. I have 20+ years of seeing content so I have higher expectations and they have less than 10 years so they know nothing and would watch garbage all day and eat it. 2) Your comment indicates you're clearly a fan of yugioh everything. Stop watching that hack. Instead of finding a real job, he's an adult who tries to hype a show made for children but he will start to vomit it at some point and find excuses not to stream about it. 3) Yugioh sevens is not trash, it's dog shit. If you're a kid (less than 21) fine. If you're 21+ you need to see a therapist.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 imagine being that toxic lmao, and after I'm called mad man for thinking old-school elitists are far worse and more represented than modern elitists.
I stopped playing in middle school and once Duel Links came out I got back into it (only DL tho). After seeing how much I missed I couldn’t believe how much dueling changed.
To be fair, I have been playing Yugioh since the start, and honestly the new stuff is way too confusing. not a big fan of how short duels are nowadays compared to now where everyone has multiple combos to summon monsters, it's like this does this then this I can summon this which allows me to do this then thanks to that I can summon this to summon this and this does this and I am lost because it's hard to keep up. Idk maybe it's because I enjoy the old style before we got xyz, pendulums, link monsters and all that.
THIS!!! I used to play a lot back then, but xyz and pendulums entered and I was OUT. I don't want to play a game where I lose on turn 1. Sorry, not sorry.
@@Vizorbot now days the match boil down to summoning monsters with Omni negate( red eye dragoon, cyber dragon infinity) or just drawing all your cards in 1 turn and preventing your opponent from doing anything during his turn. If your deck cannot at least draw 2 or 3 cards in each of your turns then you loose, it also absolutely needs to have recovery. Am just man... this is why Pokémon just obliterate yugioh when it comes to player vs player
Have you forgotten the many synchro spam decks? I still remember my opponent stealing my monsters then filling a board with synchro monsters and one punch me. You are the remembering the casual scene with friends. The competitive scene hasn't changed much. With friends I could set 1 and pass and not die the next turn, when the competitive people showed up at my locals they otk me turn 2. My deckbuilding had to improve to keep up while a lot of friends just stopped playing because they couldn't keep up.
@@omega5040 exactly, in Pokémon it’s extremely difficult guaranteed to clearly win in just 2 turns you need to snipe Pokémon that pose a treat to your team, in yugioh if you opponent is even slightly competent in competitive duels, then the duel becomes all or nothing in 1 turn
@@deepsoul8034 Pokemon has draw 4 cards you can use every turn. That said energy cards limit how much you can go off in a turn. You think yugioh needs a restrictive mechanic?
Could try to learn on pc games , i for one started in 2009 on yugioh power of chaos games, in 2018 i ve learned about xyz, synchro and pendulum by playing yugioh generation because i took a break from the game
I don't know much about the OCG market, but I'd assume yugioh is cheaper there. The issue with TCG is that they always turn the best performing cards and staples in the OCG into max rarity, so competitive decks get really expensive, really fast. No one plays yugioh in my area (only at a really casual level and never as their main game), although there are pokèmon, magic, vanguard, weiss and force of will communities
as someone who bought the original cards and played from 2002-2008, coming in and looking at new yugioh stuff is just crazy to me, it is far fromt he game i played as a kid and it makes it hard to want to return back to it. i recently got into Magic more specifically the Commander format as its something i can play with a group of friends and have more casual nights with. If yugioh had something like that a multiplayer format a more casual and laid back for fun style of play i think it would help bring in older players and help a new generation of players have an easier time coming in.
Nice video as always.... Konami has to do something about this asap.... The thing is that Old YGO players had 20 years to gradually and slowly adjust to every new rule or new cards... Kids now have to learn all that in days just to kinda have fun.... I think videogames are the best way to know the tcg... And reading the manual....
I really love Yu-Gi-Oh but on my country they stopped selling cards and there are no card shops and i really wish to get just one card shop so i can get a decent card
Luckily my local card shop is really welcoming and they're super accepting and helpful to new players. I hadn't been there in 6 years, and it's actually gotten better since I was last there
I revisited YGO in 2014 when XYZ popped off and I was so surprised how crazy even just those and synchros were at the time. Now they I’m back into it I tend to watch OG Content bc the game has progressed even MORE since I played last. Don’t even wanna think about trying to get acquainted to link monsters and the like. Wish there was an OG scene around me.
They need to just do multiple different formats like MTG does, support them all, and I have no idea why they don't. It lets area's chose the right formats for them, it would make sets sale, it would make collector's cards more valuable because more cards would have more value and let Konami do different kinds of product and make more money all the while not causing the average player to spend more money than they need to/already are and everyone is happy. It's actually mind boggling.
You know there isn't an actual rule book for mtg because there's multiple ways to play it. Which i find very annoying because I want to truly know the game. I find mtg to be a lot of guess work. Over the years the original mtg has been lost, most new mtg players, have no idea to play the game correctly unless they have a veteran to play with.
I think the fact that people can make money off yugioh and turn it into a “job” when it’s suppose to be a fun card game is a problem that Konami know about but kind of rely on cud these people help Konami make money. So Konami have no incentive to change things.
It extremely annoying with certain channels all the advertising and product pushing even if the new product really isn’t that great they’re just yelling about it and saying how it’s so amazing when really they’re just trying to get you to spend money
I just got back into the actual dueling. Im an OG player, I trailed off dueling after XYZ started but kept collecting. I feel such like a noob. I'm embarrassed to do tournament play. Duelists now are kind of dicks
I would think that there aren't enough generic cards in yugioh to support a variety of decks with a commander type format because yugioh is so archetypal with its cards.
If it were to be official by Konami, it would be very bad. I can tell you that right now, it would be soooooo bad. Players that play that are probably not competitive, cus if it were official by Konami, the more competitive players would make it less fun than how Yugioh is right now.
There's regular highlander and Trinity. They're not official, but they do have their community. Problem is, the community is mostly master format veterans. It doesn't draw in newer players.
As a newer player(just over a year), it was tough first getting into the game because those nostalgic decks are what pulled me in. But I quickly learned they are good for being competitive, thankfully we have an amazing local scene around here that welcomed me with open arms and helped me learn the game better and how to be a better player. They also like you said, gave me some older staples and such to help me make a better deck. I know every locals isn’t a “nice” environment because of people being card sharks and such. But I wish they were like my locals that welcomes new players and enjoys having more people play the game.
There's a lot more reasons. 1. The Yu-Gi-Oh anime just doesn't really help support the franchise anymore. We be watching more of the popular anime (like Attack On Titan, Demon Slayer, Fire Force, etc.), play sports, or be on social media a lot more than it. That would mean Konami needs to make a modern anime that's like the first 3 of the series cause they what made the franchise popular. 2. The meta became more like the statement, "You can't play Yu-Gi-Oh", that made a lot of players quit the game. For us to ever move past it is either an extreme ban on the cards that do so or make new cards that counter them and be reasonable with that exchange. Konami chose the second option, but it didn't really help cause they continue making more cards that will continue this boring and unfun statement. Even if the format slows down, certain types of cards still have no playability in the meta like battle traps or monsters that have effects when Tribute Summoned due to an increase of counters and powercreep (which is inevitable but shouldn't happen so quickly). There's a lot to be debated if Master Duels should ever reset to its bases. 3. Marketing should be taken to TV commercials along with social media advertisements if they really wanted to get in new players. Rush Duels are setting sail to western countries, so they should probably promote and advertise that as well when it's launched. Speed Duels should be a middle ground mostly for older players getting back into the game. For Konami to bring newer players there, they would need to air remastered versions of the older shows as relevance purpose.
Your second point is the most important point imo. If you compare for example playing a "fun/bad" deck in yugioh with the other card games out there like lor the new riot game you see a big difference. In lor you will have a tough time winning but you wont lose turn 1 or 2. In yugioh if you play against i dunno dinos with a fun deck for example... will you be able to do anything at all? Just no powercreep to oblivion game. I say this since 5 years... special summoning should have restrictions per turn. Everytime I bring that up people are like "oh no thats not yugioh its supposed to be fast and explosive" well yeah but dont expect new players who could play balanced games over this... if you watch mbts series with the old formats thats what people want: Playing 1 monster and set 2 cards pass not sps 10 monsters and either getting neibiru and scoop or the oponent scoops..
I stopped playing when I grew up (synchro time) and started again a few years ago. But now I had to drop the game again. The problem imo are 2 things. First in the last year they released to many broken staples which cost wayy to much. Number 2. the game has no resource system like Magic (what I am currently playing). Just look at all those first turn combos. I for myself enjoyed building decks and thinking about even more consistent crazy combos. I understand, that it is fun. But then actually playing at locals was no fun imo. Dice roll decides so much, if you dont draw handtraps or some other bullshit you instand loose... and if they draw the perfect handtraps/blowout cards at the right time you loose. The game happens more on the deckbuilding/side decking part and less in the actual gameplay. Its just to crazy watching 10 Minute turn 1
Yugioh is not rocket science, guys. It's way more complicated.
bahaha
rocket science is less expensive
No need to go to law school. Just play Yugioh if reading endless wall of text and arguing on rulings & technicalities is your thing!
We're actually gonna need irl degrees in Yugioh at this rate
Suddenly GX seems way less silly
Rocket science is one of the most basic forms of science, in the field of science.
"We need someone teach to new player how to duel"
Basically a duel academy?
Sign me up!
@TCG KYE Except in this world it would probably be from some financial crisis or some SJW on the internet.
My school has a yugioh club and before covid we got about 30 people a week who already knew how to play or wanted to know how to play so most of the people at out locals are from the school. Most of the people who try learning also stay.
I like how back in the GX era the idea of a duel academy sounded ridiculous. Like, what you would learn? How to fusion summon? pff... but then we got to a place where i 100% could see an actuall university-level course on each summoning method just because of how fucking confusing some particular interactions can be.
Don’t even get me started on the Battle Phase.
There's an issue with one player sitting there while another plays a ten minute turn and then losing if you don't have the right hand trap or cant break a board. You could just sit at home and play with yourself instead.
@Soniku Raharu I wish they would just reboot the game. Get rid of half the cards and most convoluted summoning mechanics (pendulum is fun, but it has to go, there's no justification for that much text in a card game). Just simplify it to make it easier for people to even get into. And 2 turn duels suck. They're fun to make your friend rage after they watch you spend a year setting up a board, but it's not an actual duel. Stop releasing all these cards that work together in a way where you set up your board on the first turn and win.
@Soniku Raharu This is why I will never actually physically get into the game. I'll play the video games for some quick fun, but I can't actually seriously get into yugioh.
Hehe play with yourself...
Giggity.
Bro, when did you stop playing? Degenerate FTK combo decks have been around since Dark Revelations.
Game's becoming so complicated it actually needs an irl dueling academy lmao
where do i enroll? i shall use my Dragon Master Knight deck
Shit, you're right. Konami was planning this the whole time...
In 2021 Seto Kaiba will be making a duel acedamy with three dorms, slifer red, ra yellow and obelisk blue
yes yes I need one 2
That'd be kinda cooo actually, lol.
I wish the community would be more welcoming. Remember years ago playing a kid and he wasn't bad and I asked him to look at his deck and asked what his strategy was and he said he watched Zexal and Utopia was his favorite card so he built a deck around that and I gave him some advice on how to make it more consistent then I saw he only had 2 copies of Utopia so I gave him one I happened to have in my binder
We need more of this!
You're a good person, we definitely need a more welcoming community, atleast in my area
Problem is, the majority of people playing yugioh aren't that welcoming, at least that's what I experienced. Most of them just concentrate on winning, making pluses by selling you the cards at horrible prices and giving you the dumbest explanations on why it's so expensive, you can't really do a rogue/fun deck, because the competitive people come and say "why you don't play x, this deck is so bad, play x,y and z instead of this garbage" etc. at a rate like that, people aren't really attracted on coming back anymore, because they just hear complaints from others in a condescending way, even though others won't play said deck.
@@Andy4995 True, also had bad experiences, though my last visit to a local pre covid which was full of kids was actually pretty nice, many of them were playing their favorite decks like bewd because of the anime. Have high hopes that this trend continous here.
Before I left in 2010 (I came back in 2017.) I would give newer players advice and if they didnt have them staples
ok magic player
Im really sick of "This card may not be normal summoned or set, this card may only be special summoned by...."
AH I really wish Yugioh just had a word like "Special Summon Only" or some single word for that long line of text that feels like its on more boss monsters than not
He addressed this at 3:53
Btw, this was just a friendly fyi. Tone is hard to convey via text...and well, it _is_ the internet lol.
@@carlosmarte428 I don't see how adding keyword would cause much of the problem, some old magic card doesn't have keywords and you can still leave it as is. When there's a new reprint you just print the keywords, new players who memorized keywords can use the new cards, while old players can still use the old card, as long as it's the same card and they do the same thing I don't see the problem there.
Technically they do already shorten it. It's currently "can not be normal summoned/set. Must (first) be summoned by (insert summon effect here)." So it's currently 10 words that are the same, with "first" usually being there but not always (this DOES make a difference on how the card works).
EDIT: Forgot to add this part in, i do agree that it should be shortened further, i don't think it needs a keyword though. Maybe "must be (first) summoned by (explanation of how to summon it)"
it implies a normal summon is still possible, and that the special summon only must be specific. It's to avoid confusion and to promote consistency.
@@asthmarap3925 but it literally says that it cannot be normal summoned/set. So it's not possible to do that.
Yu-Gi-Oh is a confusing game. Honestly, knowing how to play Pokemon, Magic, the new Digimon card game, and even playing Yu-Gi-Oh as a kid and teenager, the game's a mess in my opinion.
Definitely, I've played everything, VS, Duel Masters, the ones you mentioned, the old Digimon game..and Yugioh has similar rules, but the card text just complicates things so much..lol, like, you have to look in detail at the way things are worded to make sure that cards will work the way you want them to. With most other games you can tell just by reading some cards, but Yugioh you have to like deep dive and double check rulings and all that.
There's a new Digimon card game?
@@HongFeiBai Yes! It's been a little stagnant though unless you purchased from the early release. COVID has taken a toll on its traction to gain a large audience, but yet there is still a respectable community! It's a blast!
@@HongFeiBai yes, and it's absolutely amazing.
@@markfuston2714 my biggest concerning Yu-Gi-Oh is how absolutely chaotic the gameplay is... Like when I see people playing it on TH-cam these days, them and/or their opponents will spend 5 minutes on the opening turn which results in them burning half their deck... From the view point of any other major TCG on the market, that's crazy.
If you did that in Magic or Pokémon, you wouldn't get to play a second game because half your deck would end up on the ban list... It's bonkers, lol
For every nice person you meet you’ll also meet , someone who doesn’t shower, they rage when losing, don’t let you touch there cards, only sell and doesn’t trade, like to say when your wrong but doesn’t admit when there wrong, won’t walk you through there combo or go back to explain. THIS IS WHY NO ONE STARTS PLAYING ANYMORE.
i am the one that sell and not trade
Players are coming back to the game. I'm cool with players not being handsy with cards. I'm happy to ask to read a card but not hold it they can just set it in view for a moment The game needs to be more inclusive and teaching a new player can lead to new friendships. I'm building 2 decks. one cheaper but newer and more powerful metawise and then a more expensive flavorful deck I want for nostalgia sake a blend of new and old. Please try to bring in a new player of they need help you see or look lost when you combo off. God bless
Thats every card shop in a nut shell.
The combo part is why i stopped playing yugo. This was when the BLS and XYZ dragon supoort started to release. After a while the combos become too much and the opponent would try to confuse the combo usually so you wouldn't know what the end result of the chain would be, and considering that half the card say you can do this or cant do that it just made it too much, especially when the person playing the cards who knew the short hand of the combo wouldn't tell you what was going on. I know its not their responsibility, but when u go 5+ cards deep into a combo you should be willing to back track even if I cant respond at that point.
@@GIO77ification I big agree with this. I know I’m not going to understand every card you are playing, especially for decks I’ve never seen, but please just tell me what I’m up against. What board am I even facing and are my moves viable? Some people just want to win the game but not play it.
Kinda amuses me how one of Yugioh's big problems is card density, when one of Yugioh players biggest problems is actually reading the card.
Yeah most of the time people don't read there cards
I dont know if your trying to point this out, but thats why people forget what their/other peoples cards do. people don't want to read paragraphs when they play games lol
@@EsperSofrito that's true, that they don't want to read it
hi
Sometimes the wordings of the cards can have multiple meanings.
I really do feel that bit about neuron teaching mechanics. It will help the younger generation actually want to stay, and continue playing.
yeah
where can I use this to learn? I'm returning to the game.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Konami needs to make a "Duel Academy" series where they go over all the stuff you need to learn for the Yugioh TCG, from summoning mechanics to the hidden rulings. We'll be seeing new players then.
In other words, bring back the anime. Konami has actually spoken about that when a fan asked them, and they said that the animes aren't raking in enough money for them and to be fair, I blame it on bad writing, but Konami is right, I mean Yugioh Series 1 is the best easily, then Yugioh GX is very nostalgic, but it did get cancelled because Season 3 I believe was not doing so well. And Konami has already said that they will never make a dubbed season 4, cus it simply won't be making enough money. In other words, it all boils down to money, the card game is making them money, the anime, not so much. But in my opinion, the anime is definitely what will bring in new players, but the writing has to be better.
@@walkingcorpse1224 I agree but writing an original Yu-Gi-Oh story for 150 episodes on a weekly basis isn't exactly an easy job
Also the reason why YGO Duel Monsters was the best is because it was a manga adaptation. It's easier to do a manga adaptation than an original story because all you have to do is pick which scenes to animate, which scenes to change etc.
@@walkingcorpse1224 the anime is a risky thing because it is itself just manga shilling. Sure GX to ARC-V got it backwards but that is all the anime is really useful for. Expecting FMA or something of its caliber to come out of it is way too much of a toll on them.
Plus the anime never really explained what IS Yugioh TCG wise, especially the first one. The only one that had the potential to do so was GX but the writers didnt know what to do with the series.
I hope they will adapt the new Yu-Gi-Oh manga called "OCG Structures" into an anime. The protagonist actually is playing the real life OCG format with deckbuilding and stuff, it's a new breath of fresh air.
Yu-gi-oh, in general, is more fun when u don't focus on meta, cuz that's when it becomes pricey and u have to spend like 600+700 dollars. I like your idea of having "weight classes" cuz idk if I want to struggle my madolches against like a dragon link or drytron
Me and my group are specialized in rituals but only one player we have that has "meta" is the one person we all gang up on even in free for all just because the sheer amount of negates that we dont want to deal with.
We play competitively but dont focus on negates unless its in small doses.
I agree that meta decks are expensive, but getting lower rarities and running alternatives can budget down to $100-$200 for most meta decks.
We do have a "weight class" in Yu-Gi-Oh. It's known as the tier system, now it's not official it is there.
Tier 0 is a tier not many decks find their way there but decks that do find their way there on on the quick path to be hit by the banlist
Tier 1 is the current meta if a deck can be considered capable of fighting the best there is it's considered tier 1
Tier 2 is rogue decks madolches would be considered in this tier
Big one is it’s too expensive. Kids don’t have money so how can they afford cards that are strong enough to keep up 🆙 and won’t get banned for Konami’s profit. If you’re a parent I’ll rather buy my kid a tablet than a deck. 🤷🏾♂️
Basically that's how Yu-Gi-Oh! is meant be be played. Forget the high tier stuff. Just buy a starter deck and have fun with your buddies. That's how I still have fun with my friends and we are groups now.
I would just buy them a yu gi oh game like the tag force back in the day if they are interested in yugioh. No high cost, just the game and done, no meeting with people that I don't know of (especially in a mostly adult community) and probably more fun as they could live their anime fantasies.
Every card game can get crazy expensive when you want to be competitive
@@defectivesickle5643 pokemon does a pretty good job at keeping things affordable for kids thanks to the mixed rarity system
I was having this conversation with a friend the other day. Yu-Gi-Oh's barrier of entry is too high.
I agree, as a new player I was taken aback by the huge card pool and the long card text. I cut my losses and bought a speed duel battle city box. Not overwhelming at all.
Nah. Its actually low. Its just looks like it when you started on a wierd time and all the people you can played with might as well have a master's degree on the game. Its juat that the Player Skill ceiling is either too high, or has no bounds!
Not exactly. Players can just buy 3 of the newer structure decks and make a strong deck. Im new coming back for the first time in 14 years. I bought 3 Order of the spellcasters decks and will make the Cimoooooo budget Endymion pendulum deck
@@lanhikari2464 you got this homie. Just buy 3 of the same structure deck that you think is cool and you can do well. Then if needed you can add some special cards later ; )
Budget wise, no. Yugioh has always been amazing at structure decks, while other card games like Pokemon only started the "Good deck in a box" last year.
No one wants to admit it, but this is why making sevens was the smartest thing they could do.
Yeah agreed. This and I think the OCG manga is something about making owning a card shop and learning the game by giving tips on how to play the game and apparently how to craft decks
At first I hated it, but then I noticed every effect had card disadvantage and if every card kinda sucks, its cool to have a bunch of effects require a discard effect cause... its not the end of the world to discard a baby dragon
Why was rush dueling a smart idea? I need further emphasis and elaboration
But then they still have to learn the other stuff tho.
Yeah I liked that old yugioh was about trying to make disadvantages an advantage. So like if you dump a baby dragon you would play off of getting back the baby dragon.
Nowadays it's all, I dump baby dragon, I activate its effect, I chain with my card that pops and searches when a dragon type is discarded. I summon back baby dragon, and activate its effect to pop a card. Then I link summon into guard dragon-
Finally someone who sits there and says that calling someone a "bad player" is bad for the community. I hated people at our locals calling players bad. It's why I stopped playing and I switched to Vanguard. Vanguard also has this issue as well. It's a game people. Be more inviting.
This is pretty common in every competitive community you join. In the FGC its super common. Very few people in competitive game communities have the drive to welcome new players because everyone is trying to win. Showing others the path to victory could potentially put you in the oath to a loss. I played a pendulum player recently who kept pend summoning without using his extra deck pends and although I wanted to mention this, I also didn't want to do so because it would've lowered my chances to win the game.
Blaster blade
It's a competitive cardgame. If you can't stand being called bad, just get better. Or quit because you're apparently not competitively motivated. both fine.
I'm not a yugi-player, I play mtg, but I know the situation you're discribing.
What I do, in tournament play, is similar. I will not help my opponent in any shape. In my mind that's what you sign up for when you go to a tournament: Use YOUR skills to win YOUR game. You're, so to speak "on your own" in that moment.
What I do, however, is go over the mistakes my opponent made AFTER the game is resolved, so there's a learning experience. Because in my mind, it's hard/impossible to improve at something if you do not even know that you made a misktake.
@@profanemagic5671 the problem isn't that people are telling new players their mistakes its that they are doing it in a mean way and not an informative way.
Yugioh should hard push Rush Duels to kids. Especially here in the USA.
There's a rush duel now?
Nobody will buy it
yeah ... great... and then the kids have to re-learn the rules to play the original game.. sorry that IS not the correct way
@@Zanji1234 Oh no, people have to learn a new way to play a game. Oh, the humanity.
@@JanizMakudomaru you missunderstood me. The point was "get new players into ygo" and Rush duels for kids... and my point is: i don't think that kids which are happy with rush duels will switch to the Master rules when they like the Rus duel rules. It's basically a different game. It's not like Commander Format or something like that where the base rules are the same you only have a different restriction.
I started playing yugioh back in elementary and i recently got back into it, its great bringing back those childhood memories, i love yugioh
Same. It's easier for us to get into yugioh cause most of is know what's in store. Others it's just harder jumping Into something people already been mastering for years.
@@imbrawler1591 at the same time for someone who hasn't played in a significant amount of time will still have a lot of problems. A lot has changed over the years, and a lot of people played when they were younger and so didn't follow all rules correctly. Myself included. But with the right friends and watching the right TH-camrs it becomes a lot easier to fall back in place more than ever.
@@heftylad Exactly right. YugiTibers are a huge reason the community is the way it is. Without YugiTubers a huge chunk would be missing from Yugioh, and it would be impossible for even us to be at the level you have to be to play competitively. Which brings up my point that not every duelist has to play competitively. I even find it more fun to create "weaker decks" from past formats only allowing those cards to build decks. Then you can play a classic game of yugioh without all the intense, and complicated combos of 2021.
hi
How does it feel to get VFDed :)
How can anyone get into the game when it costs so damn much to even pretend to keep up.
you only need a meta deck at higher tier events and a lot of people buy the deck before just to sell it afterwards right to a vendor again, netting them a loss of like 20% the deck price. For locals you should be fine playing a halfway competitive strategy (this is where decks arent that expensive).
you can have decks for little money too? just won't compete with sweatmen at the tournaments
You right, it’s ridiculous
I can probably get a low costs meta or rouge deck for like $50 to $100. Just don't used to many (expensive) staple's
I think something to watch out for is the fact that we no longer have an anime to promote the master duel/advanced format. Konami can keep on milking Kaiba and Yugi for years, but reruns and banking on those two alone aren't going to pull in new players.
yeah
Omg I'm so annoyed of the whole blue-eyes and dark magician legacy support. Its just so dumb that those decks get support ,but decks that really need support are getting bad or even no support at all, like galaxy/photon or volcanics.
If they make new legacy support they should make other older cards into full archetypes like gate guardian
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@@youssefmohammed6e20 😑
I recently got a friend to start playing Yugioh via the Legacy of the Duelist game. They have like 15 hours in the game now and have yet to build a deck in-game because its so overwhelming to do. And I'm not sure what to do about it, but deckbuilding I think is an underestimated hurdle in yugioh. Its not just that the process is very complicated (Which of you actually follow the 20 monster, 10 spells and 10 traps guideline that are mentioned in official products?) - netdecking isn't even feasible a lot of the time. If you don't have the 3 Ash Blossoms, what do you substitute? Can you play a certain archetype if you're down one or two cards?
This is something I think this game has a major issue with compared to say, Magic. In Magic you can make a "random" deck work by just having the correct amount of lands and a decent mana curve. While your structure decks in mtg won't win you tournaments, you feel like you actually have a chance against better decks, where in yugioh, if you bring a starter deck against someone with a meta deck, you see absolutely no sunlight, you don't even get to play the game. I think the disparity between a weak deck and a strong deck in yugioh is extremely high, which is why I think formats could help with that. Draft/Limited Formats would be so good for the health of the game.
I think we will all come together as a community and Yugioh will be better. Im coming back and if money is an issue, players can just buy 3 of the newer structure decks and make a strong deck. Im new coming back for the first time in 14 years. I bought 3 Order of the spellcasters decks and will make the Cimoooooo budget Endymion pendulum deck
I even think a singleton format so it's about the HEART OF THE CARDS... THE LUCK OF THE DRAW LIKE IT USED TO BE.
what i did for my deck is i copied someone or got a structure deck then i make it different
Legacy of the Duelist is a great tool. The search features are very robust, you can even pick a card you like and sort the rest of your library by cards that can interact and combo with it. You can build an entire deck on your own if you just select a single card first!
have them steal a challenge deck they liked, then help them to improve it, grinding all of a challenge deck's cards is pretty easy, spam surrender or exodia or crusadia otk till you get every card 3 times, so 165 times max and less than that for most, I've won a few ladder games just playing Dinomists straight from the challenge duel with no extra deck and a few changes (filler spell/trap removed, some mediocre traps in, messed with ratios a little 3 of the challenge deck cards I wanted more 1-2 of the ones I wanted less)
beyond that 2 great resources for link evolution specifically are the youtube channel joninjo which has tons of deck profiles and the website linkevolutionpro which has search pages for finding what cards are in all the packs and challenge duels(there are also link evolution tournament decks from april on there if looking for that, though not a perfect representation of what's possible), the itsbradz discord also has a linkevolution specific deckbuilding channel if looking for advice on cards to substitute for missing ones or whether a deck works/is extremely strong '.'
After getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh after a 10 year gap I was just mind blown about how far each turn goes. I'm not saying it's a bad thing it's just very confusing seeing so many set ups and summons at once. Got lost pretty easily lol
it's a far cry from needing mana like mtg. if you can still do something with cards and effects it's crazy how much you can do on a turn. I haven't played since 2005. But heck, I'll try learning Endymion pendulums for my first deck. Order of the spellcasters 3X structure deck build.
Toad deck , windup deck and six samurai deck from 2010-2011 say hi XD
I am a new player who happens to be a high school student. I have been playing for 6 months and I can say I am really enjoying this game. I do have problems I have come across.
1. Distance to card shop: As a student I can't drive so I have to rely on buses and bikes.
2. Time card shops host locals: They usually host it around 7pm which causes me problems since parents don't want their kids coming home past 9pm.
3. Learning the game: It took me a month to learn the game, at first I given up but after playing master duel, I understood the current format more.
"Bring a friend"
*Me who has no friends:* bruh
Relatable
😭😭😭
Yep that's about right
I think the GBA games did an amazing job of pulling kids in.
Right? I think that's where Konami messed up, when they dropped the handheld games, like the world championship games (2011 comes to mind for me)
@@IcyHyoudou maybe master duels might do that, but cross-platform like duel links.
Even so, Konami should take a long hard look at the game and plan the direction they want it to go. But I found they'll do that.
@@hickknight oh nice :0 I'll have to look into master duels, that sounds really interesting. And honestly, i agree with that. Konami really does need to take a good hard look into what they could do for the future of the game. I don't know if you've heard, but major retailers like Walmart and Target are about to pull out of the tcg market and that's kinda bad :c good for card shops, but man does it hit in the memories of buying packs eons ago xd
Exactly, World wide edition for the gba got me from only liking the anime to liking the card game.
Duel carnival for 3ds was amazing
What would save Yu-gi-oh?
Answer: Real-life Duel Disk!
If we got a Battle City like Pokemon Go with Duel Disks I'd go crazy.
@@casono Same!
Just have it work like Zexal, a tablet can turn into a duel disk and wear AR specs
Honestly, if they put effort into something even remotely close to that, yugioh would become a world wide phenomenon. As in it would be just as major as sports.
This is a joke but you're also right
A duel disk + AR specs that responded and showed different things by interacting with said duel disk would be the soonest thing ever
They could probably figure out how to wirelessly hook it up to big TV screens and recorders for like world championship matches and stuff too
"Card shops used to have days to teach new players but not anymore"
when i first showed up at my locals (2 years ago when i was 11) i was kinda just expected to sit down and start playing, granted i knew how to play but did i know missing the timing existed? nope! and there were some super nice and patient people in there but when i sat down on my second day some guy accused me of slow playing because i was deciding if i should negate or not and so i didnt show up for another week/week and a half but i got back into it and some people are nice but for each nice person there is gonna be a bad person :/
Keep at it. Yugioh is so fun.
My school has a yugioh club and before covid we got about 30 people a week who already knew how to play or wanted to know how to play so most of the people at our locals are from the school. Most of the people who try learning also stay.
Saddly that's how it is everywhere for everything. No matter where you'll go you'll find toxic people. Don't focus on them, focus on the nice players and what you enjoy about the game.
As a returning player I've noticed alot of the at shop learning problem is more so a shop hiring problem alot of the people there are cool with there regulars but if a new person walks in they act like douche bags (atleast in my area) and are really condescending
Yugioh players in my area were always douches to newcomers
That fucking sucks they are known as elitists and they can rot in hell.
Its will get better with Covid. People wanna interact again. People realize you need others to play this game. More people playing is a good thing and teaching should be the first thing they wanna do. Not only to show off how good their decks are but show the new folk what its all about.
Hope staff gets better in stores
I remember going to my first locals tourney. The guy working helped me build a deck with zombie madness structure. Won my first tournament and kept going every weekend. Made a lot of friends then graduated hs and stopped playing. Tried getting back in the game after 10 years. Settled on speed duels and not a lot of people play it, sucks.
Big wall of text incoming, I'm typing this as I'm watching the video so it's pretty much a stream of consciousness.
I think we should implement a similar system to Pokémon with the age brackets at all types of events (rather than just Dragon Duels at premier events) to keep the similar ages together and form their own "community" without having to worry about getting kerb stomped by the meta players every week (obviously there may be these players in the lower age brackets but they're a little more sparse).
However you are right that the game itself is too complicated. As much as demo days are great at giving a one off view into the game, the demos aren't really representative of the current game. You brought up the official simulator which I think would work as a bridge between the demos and playing the game "for real", maybe distributing free stuff for the simulator at the demo days.
As a YCS judge myself I've had many thoughts and discussions with others about how the game could be improved organisationally and unfortunately a lot of the fixes would almost require a complete overhaul of the system which while not a bad thing may end up losing players in the short term and not provide enough of an improvement further down the line so I doubt we will see huge changes, although I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Alternate formats is the thing that is growing MTG at the moment with commander now being THE way to play magic at the moment. Unfortunately again there may need to be an overhaul of product design. We can't do drafting with the current set design, we can't do a commander type format because of the lack of interactivity between cards because of the archetypes. The only alternate formats that seem to be actively played are historic formats but konami's attempt at this with generation duels was supported for one event then abandoned, which again highlights an issue with alternate formats that there needs to be support from stores and konami to actually run these events. I would love to play a traditional tournament but outside of a single ycs side event there's just nothing for it.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
In Arc-V universe, the tournaments are actually divided by age groups
yeah
If I recall, the reason we don't see Traditional Format events, is because apparently not enough people show up. (This was stated by Konami) so while they hear the demand for it, they simply don't see it when it does happen.
Also we do kind of have a "Draft Format", if I recall there was a product that was designed specifically for that.
The age group thing might work tbh. I have a problem with people saying yugioh needs to become simpler, because that's what keeps most of the existing player base in the game. There's also no proof that its a problem for the game, as its growing regardless. When you think about it it kinda makes sense. The rules aren't on loaded all at the same time, there's been whole formats where the if versus when ruling wasn't relevant in any of the good decks. Given how much money it takes to invest in a deck, most new players stick with one for a while, and get accustomed to their specific rulings over time.
@@romkin1197 If it was better supported then more people would turn up. It's like organising a concert for your band without putting up any posters and complaining when people don't show
Speed dueling has actually been a really fun way of easing my friends back into the game. :)
the game needs some mechanic changes. There should probably be a "all card effects can be used once per turn unless stated otherwise" type rule. They could probably remove missing the timing since that is usually the easiest thing to mess up when new.
I still think we need to get rid of archetype mixing, but that is unrelated(even if it would probably fix the balance issues)
I really wish Speed Duels had gotten more player attention and local support. The format is legitimately fun and the battle city box is insane. Speed Duels attempted to solve a lot of the problems you talked about, but it just floundered out of the gate and never found its footing.
yes
Yeah because they decided to try to use the old trash ass cards again which is basically what duel links did, which sucks and nobody wants that.
@@TraaaaaasshBooooaaaatttt I'm a disabled player Speed Duels were perfect for me its slower and simpler like the game used to be.
I mean, speed duels is great bc it’s how I’m getting my nephew into the game. I also had him download duel links to play when I’m not with him end duel links is how I got back into yugioh this last year after not playing since goat format. I’ve been playing duel links for a couple years before I decided to get into the actual game again. So idk. Speed duels do seem kinda dead in my city though. No one really plays. I think that’s a shame Bc I’d love to take my nephew to a speed duel tournament once covid passes
@@TraaaaaasshBooooaaaatttt Other people definitely like using card that are in the anime, just because Celtic guardian is a non effect monster with shit stats, docent mean people wouldn't LOVE to use Celtic guardian if given the chance they just CANT. To each their own, i will keep on having fun with Lajinn, lord of D and blue eyes in speed duels.
im 27. played alot back in the dino rabbit/chaos dragon/dark world turbo days. My friend is 29 just starting for the first time and i gotta admit teaching him how to play opened my eyes to how much weve learned over the years to play this game.
nice
Ay nice!, I’m around that age and I taught my friend to this year, who is older then myself, and I think what drew him to the game was the strategy of the game once you get how to play and the mech art cards.
I taught him with a duel links/speed duel format since it’s not as complicated at the tcg yet, we used tabletop simulator and edo pro.
I taught him the concept of normal summon and special summon first with fur hires, since they are very easy to special summon and the effects aren’t too complicated with the limited card pool of duel links, now he’s playing trains!
I was there! You forgot Wind-Ups and Inzektors. xD
Yep, but that's the thing, the age group is 24 - 34, it's rare when u see an 18 year old playing and even rarer when u see a 40+ year old playing which is evident to Yugioh players more and more likely qutting passed 35, or the other possibility, they become the last players around.
Weneed duel academy school
Personally, I think one of the main problems with Yu-Gi-Oh is that there's a disconnect between the largest advertisement for the game being the Anime and the players who actually play the game. The anime still treats itself as if the game is a children's card game even though the modern majority of players nowadays are college-age players. The remedy to this is if the Yu-Gi-Oh anime ages alongside their audiences and becomes a Seinen anime instead of a Shounen Battle style one. More fanservice, more in depth stories, more in depth exploration of characters, and going into things you would actually do preparing for an IRL tournament like shopping for singles. It would be awesome of modern day Yu-Gi-Oh anime to talk about the immense costs of the game, to comment on actual game theories like 40 vs 60 cards/missing the timing, having players prepare their cards for a tournament and using different engines together, or even just using one of the things that make the game so dynamic: the side deck.
As the anime is right now, its more of a glorified tutorial for new summoning mechanics rather than an advertisement that gets new players into the game.
Examples of how an anime can sell a really expensive game are basically all the gacha games out there like the Fate series for the extremely successful Fate/Grand Order.
I've had the same exact idea!
YEP, they need to bring back the original anime and play out more storylines. GET ORIGINAL MAI's voice actor back ; )
@@Habeev07 His comment is saying we should shy away from the original anime's style completely and make the anime focus on modern cards, the current format, grounded realistic fiction approach, etc.
This would be so easy to do if they just followed the original anime’s character, but have them 10 years older so that their game progresses like it has in real life
Don t think that would change the fact ... that the game is just bad... and thats the biggest problem
Tried to teach my brother and he spent pretty much the entire game looking at cards reading effects every time a monster is summoned. Afterward, he still didnt understand. Showed him duel link and he learned it in a few hours.
Eventually yugioh will need to go digital to survive.
Facts. If it wasn’t for duel links I’d never come back at all.
@@ColdEmperor Legacy of the Duelist for me. I can play with all the older cards, avoid new summoning mechanics all I want and just play with cards that would require me to buy them all second hand since if I wanted to play the real deal I'd have to do just that because there isn't any set around that just has older cards.
I just wish I could set the rules so that things like the link and pendulum zones were gone or ban certain mechanics, like revert back to certain master rules or eras so that you could host your own online tournaments with custom rules or something.
Letting the computer handle the rulings is much easier for the weird card interactions but even so the biggest problem is the unwritten rules.
I'll say it again, unwritten rules should not be a thing, the game would be far more appealing to new players if cards did what they said rather than weird interactions that you'd have to look up online to know are even a thing. Because nothing is going to turn players off like being told that the cards don't actually do what they say because no one is going to want to spend all the time to research dozens of cards that they wanted to build a deck out of just to try and play the damn game to find out if the things even work as written.
That would be the biggest improvement to the games approachability and would actually shift up the meta quite a bit as a lot of things would change for the game.
Then of course you can tackle the problems such as pricing, card availability, support for older archetypes so they can actually be a thing. Support for things that aren't Dragons/Fiends/Spellcasters, Light/Dark, making everything new a Link/Pendulum card.
We all know Ritual summoning is the worst kind of summoning and it's not that it's just not as good as other types of summoning, it's literally just bad.
If ritual monsters were kept in the extra deck like how it was in the anime, then that would be an improvement to the game flow by making them less of a dead card.
Further I think another turn off to new players was a joke Team APS did in one of their videos where a new player wanted to play Blue-Eyes and the joke was the deck had three Blue-Eyes, they were all in the grave and the field had all kinds of other monsters OTHER than Blue-Eyes. That splashability of cards is nice but you have a serious issue when every deck has Ash Blossoms or are running Needlefiber or Halxifibrax or some other super splashable card that starts combos with everything else in the game.
I know it would be all but impossible to make a rule about banning cards in decks if you have too much variety but that's a huge problem that new players are facing is that they don't see a deck be about a certain thing, at best most decks are Half one archetype and the other half if just an engine of everything else to get those cards out sometimes or it's the other way around.
Plus you have the issue of these super long combos that make turns take 15 minutes and a game will last 30-45 minutes which sounds kind of reasonable because that's what some anime episodes take to do but then you see that it's just 2-3 turns that's ridiculous.
That comes from the game not having a resource requirement to do certain things so you can infinitely special summon so long as you have an effect that lets you do it.
Maybe it's a bit controversial but if all effects were hard once per turn unless stated otherwise that would stop a lot of these recycling of cards just to flood your own field with stuff and then if there was a summon limit such as only 1 summon of each type per turn, so 1 Link, 1 pendulum, 1 xyz, 1 synchro, 1 fusion, 1 ritual, 1 normal summon per turn would also stop these engines that make you sit and wait 12 minutes for your opponent to stop playing with themselves. Yeah it's harsh but I can't see any way that kills this complaint about the game that keeps new players from even wanting to touch the cards.
Sure some decks would suffer greatly because they would be stopped from summoning a bunch of cards like they normally could.
Basically if they put Ritual monsters into the extra deck then it would be an easy rule to implement, Only 1 summon of each type from the extra deck per turn.
Then they could errata specific cards that were designed to get out a lot of monsters of a specific archetype rather than Generic summoners, so cards for Harpies would get an errata to get around the ruling so long as they were specifically for summoning other Harpy cards.
That would kill a ton of splashable cards that were used outside their archetype but I think that would work to get decks back to actually having themes or archetypes and that would work to help Konami know what needs to be buffed like Volcanics or Noble Knights since they would see that these archetypes need more support to do certain things and that could be solved with releases that give those archetypes more targeted support rather than just a generic card the every deck would run but would finally bring the bottom tier decks into some usage and prevent those cards from being snatched up by every deck under the sun.
Which I think would also help the prices since some cards would change prices since you wouldn't want things like Ash Blossom for your deck unless you were running Ghost Girls or something rather than it being a staple 3 in every deck.
@@ColdEmperor duel links is fun
Duel links is really the best way to go about it for new players. Then from there, they determine if they want to step it up or not.
Yeah. Yugioh is old. They’ve made too many changes to the game.
Yeah one year and half ago i started duel links cause I was interested in yugioh but didn't know jack shit even though I made an account 3 years ago before this but quickly quit. After playing around and watching dkayed i managed to learn the rulings and some intricacies but still there aren't a lot of the confusing interactions from the physical card game in the digital but still it is a good stepping stone to start learning. But i think that if you start with duel links there is a high chance you will stay with duel links cause it is cheaper and not everyone has a local card shop or place to play with people.
Elitism in complex games is sadly a common thing. YGO isn't the only game that has that problem. It's all over the place in video game communities too. People want to feel important for spending a lot of time learning a hard game and putting down new players seems to be one part of achieving that, if they lack other means of seeing success. It's pretty sad.
I learned most the rules from duel links, they have tests and trials you can do to learn the mechanics
That’s hilarious, Duel Links doesn’t even scratch the surface with how deep rulings go lol
@@eduardogutierrez3753 ah i thought this was for something else, but either way it did a far better job teaching me mechanics than any of the other games did, and just a bit ago i learned what pendulum summoning was, only reason rulings doesnt go deep is that deck size and boards are small and we only go up to xyz, we dont have pendulum or link yet
I recently came back to yugioh this year after like 15 years. Playing magic for the last 7 years and yugioh is way more complex than magic nowadays because of so many corner case bullshit not written on cards
thats what I tried talking about with the MTG group on discord. I don't play yugioh but I keep up with new sets, and watch out for highlights, deck builds, etc. I tried to explain how complex Yugioh is now. They didn't believe me, they still stand on MGT being the most complex and deep game. They thought just cause you can play cards outside game doesn't make it complicated. When I started expanding on link zones, pendelums, syncro and fussion diff. They were to stubborn to refute it.
I want a tag team format where you team up with a partner where you share a field and life points would be fun
This is what I believe Rush Duels were made to solve:
-Aimed at younger kids
-The rules are simpler
-Card interactions are simplified and more obvious.
-Provides an alternate format for players
Despite it working on solving every problem addressed in the vid, people have been giving it a really bad name, I hope this dies down by the time it gets an international release.
But do you think people in the Yu-Gi-Oh community are willing to make a concerted effort promoting Rush Duels? Do you believe that influencers like TeamSamuraiX or Cimo are fine making a lot of content based on Rush Duels and educating people about it?
Exactly, Yu-Gi-Oh sevens also aiming at kids will also help, that anime also looks of a certain quality which is always a plus
Yeah, I've played Yugioh tcg casually with friends and online mixed causal and competitive for nearly 5 years as well as watching all the animes. I love Rush duels so much, and I know they're meant to be for young people to learn. I really hate this community for shitting on Sevens and Rush duels, a format and show not aimed at them, for no good reason and therefore pushing people away. Same for speed duels
And Rush Duels...suck
As much as there's a problem with gaining new players the game for years has had a problem with losing old ones. I use to love to play YGO all the time but dropped it like a rock the second pendulums were introduced. If they had made various formats for players to play in I think the longevity of the game would have been extended greatly.
For a player like me I want to play something between GOAT format and modern in the synchro or xyz era because the game really feels so different depending on when you were playing but players like me are left in the cold with no format they like being played anymore
This would be great! The Synchro era and Duel Terminal was where I really learned how to play.
All of the sudden Duel Academy from GX doesnt seem like a big joke anymore
I'm a brand new Yugioh player (coming from Master Duel which appealed to me) and I think what helped me was how generous Master Duel was with gems. I'd started with the dragon deck they give you and inevitably I'd get destroyed almost right away. I started noticing certain cards being used ALL the time like Ash Blossom Joyous Spring & "Maxx C" so I started generating those cards for my deck, rinse and repeat. Now I use a Dark Magician deck with some of those cards and other supporting cards after a few TH-cam videos helped me out. I do feel like I "powered through" or "got good" but at the same time it feels like I'm becoming what they call a "meta sheep"? despite having not played for more than a few days. Master Duel lets me copy some meta cards without the high IRL cost of the physical card since it's just 30 UR points. I do feel like I got lucky by being stingy with my free gems until I had an idea of what cards I wanted eventually building a blue eye deck and a dark magician cards using cards as new as the 'chaos' boosters which just dropped.
props to you for going after old school theme, can respect that.
I myself go for gimic decks and they're fun while absolutely unbalanced in loosing way.
Its a lot more fun playing with a friend rather then randoms. You should try it.
pay to win, power creep, graveyeard is the second deck, summon und combo chains take 7 minutes, effects are too consistent to search the deck.
It feels more like autopilot instead of strategy
So far every card game is pay to win by nature, and ygo is even less p2w than most tcgs
Graveyard being important only adds depth and strategy to the gameplay
Combo decks atm are more around 4 minutes per turn and they are nothing but autopilot.
Having consistant access to cards only makes the game less luck-dependant, as well as adding strategy ( since you'll need to choose what do you want to search )
But yeah apparently modern YGO is autopilot
Explain to kids about missing the timing, chains, Pendulum summoning, how 90% of archetypes die to one Ultimate Conductor Tyranno, etc.
Plus, the price tag for a decent deck might be too high for kids. Ask a kid to purchase 3 Ash, 3 Extravagance, 3 Nibiru, etc.
Usually kids I know (I work at a middle school) just buy one structure deck and call it a day.
lol
I mean ash pretty cheap now.
@@jarom1144 yeah kinda
Everyone starts somewhere tbh. I was 10 when I received my first structure deck. I kept most of the cards in moderately played condition, but I stuck around long enough with the help of my dad and friends tbh. I think finding people to play with is something that depends on the individual
@@atomicchowder5619 same
Cardfight vanguard (created by one of the yugioh artists 10 years ago) now has 3 formats and they are constantly trying to get new players in. The new reboot Cardfight vanguard: Overdress is coming and people should try it out.
It will back to 2 format later, just wait for few months. The v format will gone and combined with premium
They’re rebooting it Again??? They just rebooted it in 2017
As a casual player (meaning not really into big/long combos), those decks that get like 3+ "boss" monsters just about every turn makes the game unenjoyable. Granted, it's probably due to the fact I like slower/more traditional duels. Don't get it twisted tho, i like links, xyz, etc... its just how popular OTKs. It's as if you stand no chance if you don't build a deck like that
I would love to bring friends to play Yu-Gi-Oh but it's an overwhelming learning curve
"Makes it easier to learn"
Yugioh Speed duels: am I joke to you?
Speed duels are a joke. It's not dueling. It's not Yu-Gi-Oh.
It's crap for crap.
Yes. Yes it is
They're more of a spin-off
Yes
@@King_Cova nah, they're a really easier way to understand the game and people just hate it because It's not what they play, because people like to just insult things.
I agree, yugioh does have a new player problem. The game is advertised for 6+ year olds. Last I checked, I don’t know that many (if any) “kids” that actually play. I really don’t see 6 year olds grasping how to play the game with all the rulings that the rule book doesn’t even touch. That and card text is kind of an issue with that as well.
Imagine going to a tournament and you are greeted by a 6 year old Now that would be funny
@@mingustheprotector5192 Agreed! I’d also be impressed.
Even back in the day, before XYZs and stuff, when I played more "seriously" it was an issue. Like, there was this kid with a ridiculous deck, since his dad bought him everything, but he didn't know how to pilot the deck and wouldn't listen to advice.
The new player base should be kids. Thats where we all started. This aint a kids game anymore.
Those same kids are grown now and they're catering towards that same audience (young adults).
I think we will all come together as a community and Yugioh will be better. Im coming back and if money is an issue, players can just buy 3 of the newer structure decks and make a strong deck. Im new coming back for the first time in 14 years. I bought 3 Order of the spellcasters decks and will make the Cimoooooo budget Endymion pendulum deck
Once the young adults grow old and stop playing, yugioh will die from the lack of kids starting it.
This is why I think it's great that Konami came up with Rush Duels. Way easier to get into the card game (since no other summoning methods than tribute) and YGO Sevens' characters are kids (with very few exceptions). Older fans/player might find it stupid but this is what we needed for the younger generation imo.
@@mikai4738 A lot of older fans hate Rush Duels and Sevens, but they have to understand that they are not the target demographic for Rush. Master Duels are doing just fine without an anime, but the anime needs to bring kids to the game, so I think Rush Duels and Sevens are a great way to make the game easier so kids can get into it, and if they want to play a different way they can start with Speed Duels, and then they can "graduate" to Master Duels.
I got back into the game nice and slow. Me and my friends are just at allowing synchros in our house rules. Currently trying to get pendulums in next.
Ya pendulum arn't bad (like simply sake), their not as bad links
As someone who jumped ship around the time Synchro monsters dropped it's definitely daunting trying to get back on the boat.
Dude I've been saying yugioh needs different formats to make it more interesting and fun to play and keep old decks in rotation so returning players aren't scared away by power creep and new summoning types
I'm a returning player and the way I been learning the new rules of the game (since it's been over a decade since I've played) had been watching videos on the rules and then putting it into practice in YGO Omega. They're still working out the kinks on the software but it's personally been a fun and useful way to learn.
hi
@@chriscm2711 cool, what deck are you using?
@@sayahhx8300 I have like 5 different decks lol
@@chriscm2711 oh lol when I got back into yugioh like 5 years ago I went back to the cards that got me into yugioh, which were harpies. Now I play harpies, and toons. I want to bubble cubics next. But idk I like playing not meta decks but cubics are just way under powered lol
@@sayahhx8300 same
My locals doesn't even *have* a dedicated day for YuGiOh. I think maybe we used to have a tournament a week, but the turnout was always pretty small (I wasn't ever able to go because of work). Compared to MTG, Pokemon, and Vanguard, YuGiOh was an ant of a game there.
This lack of new players is rooted in a lot of things. Modern competitive YuGiOh is a game about rule-setting, it's about permission. Control Decks and Combo decks both focus on gameplay about denying and permitting your opponent to activate their cards. The brutal and binary nature of the game is extremely feelsbad for new players, and people quit the game for new and old ones that actually have interaction.
Konami panders specifically towards old players. Without a new show in TCG regions, we've been getting retrains and such, support for older archetypes that tickle the nostalgia of the 25 - 30 year olds who watched the original show. I'm fairly enfranchised and I hate how much stuff we get that's just pandering to old players. I'll complain about it forever.
YuGiOh's competition are not only more heavily advertised, but they're just better designed games. YuGiOh isn't a very good game when compared to other ones that offer more of everything various players want, even a new game like Legends of Runeterra has infinitely more depth of gameplay over YuGiOh.
A new format or two would be great, but the fundamentals of the game would need to be adjusted in the rules of those new formats, aside from card availability.
Lack of accessibility, a gatekeepy player base, gameplay that isn't *consistently fun* for both players, etc. YuGiOh's built these huge walls to keep new players out, it seems. Lot's to talk about.
I'm going to be honest one of those young players and I don't even know where my loçals are if I even have one
This is all very true. And these issues are becoming more and more concentrated. Yugioh players are extremely allergic to the idea of card rotation, but the card pool is simply too large to keep power creep at bay.
I wish they would find a way to structure rulings like in a similar way to problemsolving cardtexts. Like grouping effect-"classes" together and then allow for a completd ruling for that effect "class". Also, i know this will sound like sacrilege, but i think they should remove the if-when distinktuon. Missing timing is such a stupid and complicated mechanic, i bet even thise who say they understand it don't really understand it
Hey, not a new player but a returning one (or at least I tried to). I stopped playing a bit after Synchros came out (so like in 2008-09) just cause I wasn't feeling so passionate about the game at the time. Somewhere around 2019 I saw some of the new cards and the art looked pretty cool and then got into a lot of yt videos and I just felt the urge to play som yu-gi-oh again.
I didn't want to spend a bunch of money buying packs and cards just see if I would like the game again so I just downloaded ygopro and looked for the top meta decks and started to watch some videos explaining the decks etc. I just took whichever looked the coolest and started to play against AI to understand the deck. But holy shit I just couldn't. It was just too complicated, the cards have too much text, I couldn't effectively read all the text and understand everything and still play somewhat efficiently. Keep in mind ygopro even asks you if you want to activate certain cards and their effects, if I had to know all this as well then I would literally just miss like 3/4s of the effects and activations.
I think the barrier of entry is just too high, like knowing how your deck works and what it's supposed to do is already complicated enough for a new player but learning like all the proper activation and different timings on card just seems like an absolute nightmare. There's also the unwritten and specific rulings about certain cards as you said which is honestly just borderline impossible for a new player without like irl guidance to really learn. I can guarantee you that even on a match between 2 experienced players they can easily miss timings and not even know about jank super specific rulings some cards might have.
I do believe Konami just makes huge text walls for the sake of making the game more complicated. I know card games are bound to get more complex as time goes on, it's inevitable. People would just get bored of playing vanilla yu-gi-oh eventually but there are just so many mechanics that I really think that unless you have a friend that will take their time teaching you everything then it's almost impossible to get into this game, it just feels like a chore and a torture to try to understand everything by yourself (with like videos and guides I mean).
I was with you. I could memorize a few 'lines' with a deck or a few things few targets I need to "hand trap". But the game is just insane. I don't think you could do it unless you watched these lines develop. I could buy a structure deck and I wouldn't even know what to do with the cards.
Ahhhhh I quit after 13 years cuzzz it’s to expensive to pay for a piece of cardboard with low pull rates
I wish ygo in the TCG would be like in the OCG where they get multiple rarities of a card right from the get go and you can decide whether you want to spend a lot for a shiny version or just play a common.
@Soniku Raharu yeah they do. People in the OCG would never accept their policy like we have it in the TCG. People there would boycott the game, same like they now boycott ps5 because ps5 controllers there do now have the same buttons as in the west and they were used to their own button layout.
Meanwhile people in the TCG areas seem to be way more resilient to bad behaviour and cash grab of companies which is the reason why konami uses the TCG as a cash cow and shortprints cards that have proven to be important in the meta. Theres no reason for them to change it like in the OCG, because the TCG is dumb enough to pay those prices. Why would they change a good working strategy?
Yugioh in the OCG is one of the best card games existing. There they care for the players and they give everyone the opportunity to be able to build a cheap meta deck (commons possible). You even have to take a look at their OCG website, its new and fresh. Meanwhile the official TCG website looks like out of the year 2003.
I might want to add that the card quality is way higher in the OCG then the TCG. Have you ever had an original OCG card in your hands? It feels way better, semms like they print it on a thicker material there.
I mean i do get that the OCG is their main area but why cant you give us that quality of a game aswell? Yugioh would compete way better with common card games here (like magic or pokemon), because most of the negative sites of yugioh just arent true for the OCG.
did anyone of you tried to explain pendulums to a 7 year old? the kid told me i'm nuts and the game is crazy and went back to play cod on pc, i'm very happy to see our yugi tubers do videos when they're 50 years old bcs no one else will
Huge shotout for talking about Digimon there!
They should use the cartoons to teach the rules. Would be awesome to see the most complex rulings discussed in cartoon form.
Unfortunatley they can't, because it would become an advertisement and violate some laws surrounding that. At least in the U.S. That is why in the U.S. version of the yugioh anime, we don't actually have text boxes on the cards that appear.
@@romkin1197 make TH-cam videos then! I'm sure there could be a workaround.
@@Sheikah_Architect That is Bandai Namco's work around when they have the Gundam Build Fighters anime which is an anime that shows building techniques and Toy products, they put the anime series on TH-cam but put the more serious Gundam shows like Iron Blood Orphan on Networks
Vrains did head in a similar direction. They covered at least the more common questions, like Links dont have level or can't turned to defense, when get they get bounced to the hand they return to the extra deck etc... It didn't really covered complex rulings but it was WAAAAY closer to the actual card game then anything we saw with Yugioh classic or GX. Less anime exclusive cards, actual strategy, MR4 was basically the anime format with gouki, trickstar, altergeist, salamangreat, rokket(aka dragon link)... they all saw competitive play. And I hope that they continued that in sevens and what ever comes after that.
Honestly a big reason is that it’s become more of a business than a game. Take dragoon for example, your average kid/teen will probably only get 3-5 packs every month or so (so unlikely to pull one) and doesn’t have $60 to spend on a piece of cardboard.
Just using dragoon as an example.
It’s become about who has more money rather than who has more skill (in a lot of cases)
it always was tho
take Mechanical chaser for example a tournament pack exclusive card that powercrept everything prior by 50 points, etc
YGO always had problems with "money wins"
@8:11 FYI, the only reason YOU have seen Yugioh ads on social media is because they show specific ads based on YOUR own searches. I have NEVER seen any Yugioh ads anywhere because I don't usually search that stuff. Those ads are shown to YOU specifically.
I would say being a returning player after a long time that some things I would fix:
-Paragraph long effects: when I have to read a book in order to fully understand the card, that is a problem
-link summoning/extra deck: get rid of it, or let only 5 cards in the extra deck to simplify the game
-rules that are official on their website and easily accessible
I feel that the problem with yugioh is that it is way too complicated, when looking at Pokemon TCG it isn't very complicated and the cards in Pokemon don't have paragraph long effects/ 2-3 other effects of the card in certain conditions. when you overly complicate a game it isn't fun anymore.
I've played Yugioh, Pokemon, and Magic the Gathering and this issue goes across all TCGs that it's hard for new players to jump in and be competitive with other players. I've seen game stores completely close because people stopped showing up to play because the same top tier players would always win get all the prizes and everyone else would question why am i spending money, time, effort in this hobby just to show up to a event lose and get nothing for my trouble and not enjoy myself. Then end up leaving the hobby all together.
Thats exactly my main reason i quit tcg (pokemon and vanguard). Imagine for ths first time in 3 years you finally win and got 1st place ..........
on local shop weekly turney
As someone who has been trying to pick up the game with some friends over the last couple of weeks, it's 100% the density of text for us. It really slows the game down when you've got to read a paragraph of text whenever your opponent plays something.
Keywords would really help, and they don't need to be done all at once. Especially if they're creating an online version of the game.
For myself, a magic tcg player, I really like the "keyword" kinda thing. It makes things so much easier, you know what the card does when you can read three words, as basic as it gets.
I really wanted to get back into yugioh, but there is just so much new stuff and products that I have no idea where to start. Another problem is, even my local shop doesnt even sell cards anymore... It's kinda sad tho, plus I don't even know anyone who still plays it. :/
Paul: shorter text in keywords it's a little too late for that because we printing old cards it's not practical.
Me: * staring at speed duels*
Also me: then what is this format for?
Or they could adopt the OCG text where effects are numbered and easy to find. The OCG clearly had no issues transitioning into a newer text format
@@DXYS95 that I can totally agree with, if keywords are not viable at least.
This video hit the nail on the head for me. I thought about dipping back in after about 16 years, a nice hobby during quarantine. It's not that I'm mad at new mechanics or something like that, but it is quite dense. And this is coming from someone who's an adult, can you imagine a kid learning this for the first time?
I know I’m hella late, but kids actually learn this pretty easily because they’re like sponges when it comes to new things. I know this is anecdotal, but I taught my 7 year old niece how to play Yugioh recently and I taught her the mechanic and after a few hours she understood how to play. The only difficult part was explaining what certain words mean or how to pronounce them. I think as adults we try to figure out the why things do what they do making it more complicated for ourselves. This game isn’t easy to learn, I just think kids learn how to play just easier if that makes sense.
@@TheQuilava96 Fair, and I take your point And the words I can imagine are a pain, but great for comprehension I'm sure.
The way I ended up learning the game way back when was through the video games. The various GBA games a la Eternal Duelist Soul, Tag Force 1-6 + Special, the 5Ds & Millennium Duels XBLA games, etc.
Why do people think kids will read and go through tons of tutorials when older players don't even feel like reading their cards?! Players want a game that they can jump into and enjoy.
kids are good at things at young ages. they can set their minds to ot
@@Habeev07 most kids that played yugioh back in the day didn't even play with the correct rules back then, even when it was simplified.
How this game even HAS new blood is beyond me
I’m just getting back into it and from my observation the new players are mostly players who played at some point. Tbh getting back into it is something you have to really want. The new mechanics, card texts, card prices etc can be very off putting and doesn’t seem worth it.
I'm a new player and so is my sister. So, my first impression was it was not going to be easy to learn...😅 I still don't get Link and Pendulum summoning, but other than that, I'm learning pretty ok.
@@lightfang7502 Yeah but what got you INTO the game in the first place? Yugioh has a pretty toxic competitive scene
@@LokiTheClever So, it's a weird story. I watched this one video where the pharaoh plays poker and I started watching the anime afterwards, then I wanted to play the card game, and here I am now
The problem with alternative formats is that most Yugioh players either don’t care about it or are against it. Look at Speed Duels for example. Sure you can say that Konami doesn’t support it enough or that Konami doesn’t know where to market Speed Duels towards. But the players attitude towards it also doesn’t help. They act like it is an inferior format in comparison to the advance format and don’t even try it, while they are crying that they get handtrapped in the main game. Rush Duels are already looking better, at least that format is clearly marketed towards kids. But most people I have seen only like how the cards are different looking and want just that for the advance format, but aren’t interested in Rush Duels at all. The only ‘accepted’ alternative format by the player base seems to be Goat-format because that is very nostalgic for people who played Yugioh in their childhood. Ironic that the same people who want to feel nostalgic about their childhood make it so hard for kids nowadays to try and play Yugioh.
So basically the plot of sevens
I would play speed duels if there was anywhere within 400 miles of me that ran tournaments for it
When I was a kid during DM and GX I went to locals a handful of times and found it frustrating. I was talked down to and someone even rule sharked me for a small mistake so he wouldn’t have to finish the duel. I was bitter with my yugioh experience for awhile. I looked at gettting back into it around Kozmo format and it was intimidating with all the mechanics. I had been playing magic and finding ruling or interactions was simple enough, but not for yugioh. The only reason I got back into was thanks to a friend who walked me through a few different formats to really learn the rules ground up. I wish there was a community effort to publish a more comprehensive rule book. That way people know how to chain block, or realize that an effect can miss timing, or that there is a difference between something being an optional cost or an activation cost that’s mandatory. This is probably one of the biggest hurdles to yugioh.
As someone who stopped playing in 2008 and came back in 2021... there is an overwhelming amount of card effects that you have to learn to be good at this game
Its gotten too fast.
It used to be
1st turn: normal summon, activate a spell, set 2 cards
Now its like: normal summon, now that normal summon special summons from the deck, now when those 2 cards are on the field they special summon a third, now I activate a spell to special summon a 4th, now I can use a hand trap cause fk you and it destroys all cards on your field and my 4 monsters attack you directly, and one of them has the effect to special summon another when it attacks so I win!
Way more fun this way though
@@Ciggiesaftersex yes... so fun to watch your opponent play solitaire for 10 mins
@@DrakeSilver Not that but having more variety in summoning and just the overall faster pace of the game is more my thing tbh but each to their own ofc
@@Ciggiesaftersex if it was only "faster pace" then there would be no problem. That is not what current yugioh is though. It's every single deck doing the exact same thing, the exact same plays, all the time every single time. There is no variety in which decks are played. They all have pretty much the same goal. They all MUST be able to achieve the same things. Sorry but tell me where is the "variety" you speak of? because i don't see it. Whether you care to admit it or not, but the game itself and the way the meta is and will more than likely will be forever, is the biggest reason why people stop caring about the game. The game is currently in such a horrible state because of said "fast pacing"
I used to think exactly like you until I tried playing Nightmare Troubadour for the DS again and found that everything was much slower and much less fun than I remembered. The game now has many flaws but I find it way more engaging, even if getting ftk'd can get annoying
Another thing that didn't get mentioned in the video which I personally believe could help yugioh would be for Konami to just make better structure/starter decks again, like decks where you could have a budget of 30 *insert currency here*,buy 3 boxes of it at your locals and work away from there. The last decent deck in this category I think have been Shaddolls and the last one before that was Salamangreats. Anything after that was either too complicated to work with as a beginner like Endymions, needed cards that are in packs that aren't sold anymore or in high rarities like Dinos, Rokkets and Machina and then theres the collectors fodder like what the sad excuse we have for SDs we have now and coming soon, Charmers and Ice barriers(TLDR: imagine little Timmy buying 3 ice barrier decks and wondering why his opponent is clapping his cheeks with anything else and you see my point).
I think the way Konami releases their structure decks is a little silly and wasteful. They should just make the one structure deck with multiples of the cards you need and just charge 20-30 dollars depending on the quality of the deck. That way newer players can just buy one product with mostly everything they need and get cards to improve the deck on the secondary market. It saves on paper and new player confusion.
yeah
I disagree with the charmers a little bit. You could probably make an aight control deck out of it... if it had some links for or maybe a couple of extra floodgates. You have the fairy tale cards and good enough searching, but not enough to make a competent deck w/o something else. Maybe if Luna was unbanned you the deck might have been decent. But nope, we didn't even get Evenly for some reason. Oh well.
The Ice Barrier deck though? Hard agree. At least the Frog Engine and good backrow is reprinted I guess, but nothing that is effective on its own.
I think we could really use a big ruling update to simplify some stuff(probably together with a errata wave)
1. it might be too late for keywords, but can unify some effect, that differentiate from another because of a single word.
Example: Missing timing, you can only use/activate this effect once per turn. Is there any modern card that still misses timing? We can just throw this stuff out the window.
2.Simplify battle(like you mentioned)
3. Segoc could also be simpler. Like in Digimon Tcg it is, "Turn Player activates stuff in any order, after that the opponent activates stuff in any order. New effects can be activated? Repeat, else continue normally." Thats it.
Definitely agree on more resources to help players learn the game. Part of this burden is on the community as well. When I got back into the game in 2017 after a 5-6 ish year hiatus it was pretty difficult for me learning new card interactions and the such, in particular how pendulums worked. I'd go to locals and mostly lose matches and when I'd ask my opponents for help on how I could have played it better or what I'm supposed to do in a situation or how to beat archetype X my responses would mostly be "You just gotta get good." or "Go learn all the cards." If the only way your players can have a fighting chance at the game is to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire card pool then your game has a problem. If your players all rude and secretive about every bit of YGO knowledge they've accumulated over the years than no one is going to want to come back to that store to play.
I want another darker series like 5D
Too expensive to produce. Konami is cutting costs. Just look at the trash that is yugioh sevens
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Lmao, if Sevens is trash why does it have better ratings than some other shows? (even better than Shadowverse which was treated like the 7th ygo series because some people didn't like Sevens' look) Honestly, if you dislike the look, fine, but calling it trash just for this reason is stupid.
Well, you get "dark" in basically every ygo series but if you want older characters again like in 5D's, try Vrains. It's less comedic than Arc-V or Zexal or even early GX.
@@mikai4738 1) Ratings have absolutely nothing to do with quality. The worst shows get to the top cuz they target a large audience including kids and teenagers with terrible taste. It's not their fault though. I have 20+ years of seeing content so I have higher expectations and they have less than 10 years so they know nothing and would watch garbage all day and eat it.
2) Your comment indicates you're clearly a fan of yugioh everything. Stop watching that hack. Instead of finding a real job, he's an adult who tries to hype a show made for children but he will start to vomit it at some point and find excuses not to stream about it.
3) Yugioh sevens is not trash, it's dog shit. If you're a kid (less than 21) fine. If you're 21+ you need to see a therapist.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 imagine being that toxic lmao, and after I'm called mad man for thinking old-school elitists are far worse and more represented than modern elitists.
Konami needs to make better mechanics other than just having boss cards be negates. It gets boring.
It's time for Aliens and A-Counters again!
I stopped playing in middle school and once Duel Links came out I got back into it (only DL tho). After seeing how much I missed I couldn’t believe how much dueling changed.
When I was a kid I didnt know to go to card shops. It was mow the lawn, then take a walk to target every week to buy packs.
To be fair, I have been playing Yugioh since the start, and honestly the new stuff is way too confusing. not a big fan of how short duels are nowadays compared to now where everyone has multiple combos to summon monsters, it's like this does this then this I can summon this which allows me to do this then thanks to that I can summon this to summon this and this does this and I am lost because it's hard to keep up. Idk maybe it's because I enjoy the old style before we got xyz, pendulums, link monsters and all that.
THIS!!!
I used to play a lot back then, but xyz and pendulums entered and I was OUT. I don't want to play a game where I lose on turn 1. Sorry, not sorry.
@@Vizorbot now days the match boil down to summoning monsters with Omni negate( red eye dragoon, cyber dragon infinity) or just drawing all your cards in 1 turn and preventing your opponent from doing anything during his turn. If your deck cannot at least draw 2 or 3 cards in each of your turns then you loose, it also absolutely needs to have recovery. Am just man... this is why Pokémon just obliterate yugioh when it comes to player vs player
Have you forgotten the many synchro spam decks? I still remember my opponent stealing my monsters then filling a board with synchro monsters and one punch me. You are the remembering the casual scene with friends. The competitive scene hasn't changed much. With friends I could set 1 and pass and not die the next turn, when the competitive people showed up at my locals they otk me turn 2. My deckbuilding had to improve to keep up while a lot of friends just stopped playing because they couldn't keep up.
@@omega5040 exactly, in Pokémon it’s extremely difficult guaranteed to clearly win in just 2 turns you need to snipe Pokémon that pose a treat to your team, in yugioh if you opponent is even slightly competent in competitive duels, then the duel becomes all or nothing in 1 turn
@@deepsoul8034 Pokemon has draw 4 cards you can use every turn. That said energy cards limit how much you can go off in a turn. You think yugioh needs a restrictive mechanic?
It’d be impossible for someone under the age of early 20’s to learn and pay for the hobby. Over complicated rules and over priced cards kill the game
Could try to learn on pc games , i for one started in 2009 on yugioh power of chaos games, in 2018 i ve learned about xyz, synchro and pendulum by playing yugioh generation because i took a break from the game
I don't know much about the OCG market, but I'd assume yugioh is cheaper there.
The issue with TCG is that they always turn the best performing cards and staples in the OCG into max rarity, so competitive decks get really expensive, really fast.
No one plays yugioh in my area (only at a really casual level and never as their main game), although there are pokèmon, magic, vanguard, weiss and force of will communities
@Huzaifah Syed Me too muahahaha
as someone who bought the original cards and played from 2002-2008, coming in and looking at new yugioh stuff is just crazy to me, it is far fromt he game i played as a kid and it makes it hard to want to return back to it. i recently got into Magic more specifically the Commander format as its something i can play with a group of friends and have more casual nights with. If yugioh had something like that a multiplayer format a more casual and laid back for fun style of play i think it would help bring in older players and help a new generation of players have an easier time coming in.
Nice video as always.... Konami has to do something about this asap.... The thing is that Old YGO players had 20 years to gradually and slowly adjust to every new rule or new cards... Kids now have to learn all that in days just to kinda have fun.... I think videogames are the best way to know the tcg... And reading the manual....
I really love Yu-Gi-Oh but on my country they stopped selling cards and there are no card shops and i really wish to get just one card shop so i can get a decent card
Luckily my local card shop is really welcoming and they're super accepting and helpful to new players. I hadn't been there in 6 years, and it's actually gotten better since I was last there
I revisited YGO in 2014 when XYZ popped off and I was so surprised how crazy even just those and synchros were at the time. Now they I’m back into it I tend to watch OG Content bc the game has progressed even MORE since I played last. Don’t even wanna think about trying to get acquainted to link monsters and the like. Wish there was an OG scene around me.
They need to just do multiple different formats like MTG does, support them all, and I have no idea why they don't. It lets area's chose the right formats for them, it would make sets sale, it would make collector's cards more valuable because more cards would have more value and let Konami do different kinds of product and make more money all the while not causing the average player to spend more money than they need to/already are and everyone is happy. It's actually mind boggling.
You know there isn't an actual rule book for mtg because there's multiple ways to play it. Which i find very annoying because I want to truly know the game. I find mtg to be a lot of guess work. Over the years the original mtg has been lost, most new mtg players, have no idea to play the game correctly unless they have a veteran to play with.
I think the fact that people can make money off yugioh and turn it into a “job” when it’s suppose to be a fun card game is a problem that Konami know about but kind of rely on cud these people help Konami make money. So Konami have no incentive to change things.
It extremely annoying with certain channels all the advertising and product pushing even if the new product really isn’t that great they’re just yelling about it and saying how it’s so amazing when really they’re just trying to get you to spend money
I just got back into the actual dueling. Im an OG player, I trailed off dueling after XYZ started but kept collecting. I feel such like a noob. I'm embarrassed to do tournament play. Duelists now are kind of dicks
Happens with literally any card game with a young adult audience. Try going to a magic tourney
What wouldn’t be a bad idea is a commander style format for new players in which you’re only allowed to use 1 of each card
That already exists. It may not be Konami official but it exists. It's called Highlander format and I'm a huge fan of it.
I would think that there aren't enough generic cards in yugioh to support a variety of decks with a commander type format because yugioh is so archetypal with its cards.
That exists, it’s called Highlander. We just had a tournament for it in the official Team APS Discord today.
If it were to be official by Konami, it would be very bad. I can tell you that right now, it would be soooooo bad. Players that play that are probably not competitive, cus if it were official by Konami, the more competitive players would make it less fun than how Yugioh is right now.
There's regular highlander and Trinity. They're not official, but they do have their community. Problem is, the community is mostly master format veterans. It doesn't draw in newer players.
its sad trying to learn at your local casual place but still have to deal with alestair / dinosaur / dragon link even in full casual settings
As a newer player(just over a year), it was tough first getting into the game because those nostalgic decks are what pulled me in. But I quickly learned they are good for being competitive, thankfully we have an amazing local scene around here that welcomed me with open arms and helped me learn the game better and how to be a better player. They also like you said, gave me some older staples and such to help me make a better deck. I know every locals isn’t a “nice” environment because of people being card sharks and such. But I wish they were like my locals that welcomes new players and enjoys having more people play the game.
There's a lot more reasons.
1. The Yu-Gi-Oh anime just doesn't really help support the franchise anymore. We be watching more of the popular anime (like Attack On Titan, Demon Slayer, Fire Force, etc.), play sports, or be on social media a lot more than it. That would mean Konami needs to make a modern anime that's like the first 3 of the series cause they what made the franchise popular.
2. The meta became more like the statement, "You can't play Yu-Gi-Oh", that made a lot of players quit the game. For us to ever move past it is either an extreme ban on the cards that do so or make new cards that counter them and be reasonable with that exchange. Konami chose the second option, but it didn't really help cause they continue making more cards that will continue this boring and unfun statement. Even if the format slows down, certain types of cards still have no playability in the meta like battle traps or monsters that have effects when Tribute Summoned due to an increase of counters and powercreep (which is inevitable but shouldn't happen so quickly). There's a lot to be debated if Master Duels should ever reset to its bases.
3. Marketing should be taken to TV commercials along with social media advertisements if they really wanted to get in new players. Rush Duels are setting sail to western countries, so they should probably promote and advertise that as well when it's launched. Speed Duels should be a middle ground mostly for older players getting back into the game. For Konami to bring newer players there, they would need to air remastered versions of the older shows as relevance purpose.
Your second point is the most important point imo. If you compare for example playing a "fun/bad" deck in yugioh with the other card games out there like lor the new riot game you see a big difference. In lor you will have a tough time winning but you wont lose turn 1 or 2. In yugioh if you play against i dunno dinos with a fun deck for example... will you be able to do anything at all? Just no powercreep to oblivion game. I say this since 5 years... special summoning should have restrictions per turn. Everytime I bring that up people are like "oh no thats not yugioh its supposed to be fast and explosive" well yeah but dont expect new players who could play balanced games over this... if you watch mbts series with the old formats thats what people want: Playing 1 monster and set 2 cards pass not sps 10 monsters and either getting neibiru and scoop or the oponent scoops..
@@Pkey995 Yo... what if fun decks are meta and the people playing decks they like happen to be meta? Crazy thought
@@defectivesickle5643 hmm okay then replace fun with I dunno with casual? Like for example a shark deck?
I stopped playing when I grew up (synchro time) and started again a few years ago. But now I had to drop the game again. The problem imo are 2 things. First in the last year they released to many broken staples which cost wayy to much. Number 2. the game has no resource system like Magic (what I am currently playing). Just look at all those first turn combos. I for myself enjoyed building decks and thinking about even more consistent crazy combos. I understand, that it is fun. But then actually playing at locals was no fun imo. Dice roll decides so much, if you dont draw handtraps or some other bullshit you instand loose... and if they draw the perfect handtraps/blowout cards at the right time you loose. The game happens more on the deckbuilding/side decking part and less in the actual gameplay. Its just to crazy watching 10 Minute turn 1