Brandon Hubbard trying different stones is path to becoming poor hahaha! Its addictive and fun! Hit me up if you ever want an affordable jnat. I usually bring smaller and more affordable jnats that are great for first time jnat buyers to see if it’s something you like
Nice video Robert, I got 2 midrange Jnats a Tsushima black nagura ( just got that so learning that one) and a big brick of unknown mine that just erase the stria with ease sometimes I go synthic before my finisher and sometime i go straight from my Naniwa chosera 1 k to the unknown Jnat midrange and then to my finisher ( got 5 Jnat finishers) it is fun to hone so i do what i feel that day in the end it usually shaves good if not go back anc try again LOL, have a good one Robert, thanks for the informative videos
Awesome I actually like going through a 3 stone progression although my Ozuku Koppa will take me from a 1k to a finished razors edge it's especially good to have options depending on whatever type of steel I'm honing as well sometimes I grab a stone that I haven't used in a while, always a pleasure Robert good stuff good sir.
@Robert Ortiz What is the advantage of using a mid-range jnat? Because at the end of the end, when you finish on a finishing jnat, it will erase, ideally, all the scratches from previous progression. Please give me some insight so as to help me to decide to buy a mid-range. And do you sell stones? how?
Clement Wong i do sell stones here and there via FB or email jibaro1015@gmail.com I used to have an etsy store but i closed it. As for mid range stones... these are ideal if you want to experience a full or as full of a jnat progression as possible. You can use one right after bevel set and then use a really hard finisher. It breaches that gap... Also Makes honing faster and ensures deep scratches are gone and ensures less time on each stone... alot of jnats can do well after a 4-6k and some finishers will do good after a 1k! I had jnats i have done a 1 stone hone with ... i have some videos on it. In my opinion mid range are awesome because they give you a more full experience AND keep you from over using your most expensive hard jnats! Mid range stones are often cheaper and also great to finish kitchen knives.
Robert, I got your point. But do you think we can distinguish whether the mid-range is done by synthetic say up to 6000, and a mid-range jnat, which will be done by the jnat finisher anyway? Or is it just a matter of preference? Thanks in advance. I can really learn a lot from your video.
Clement Wong interesting question and their is no simple answer but i will give it a go... so... depends hahaha! Joking aside... lets say i am honing a boker razor with full synthetic progression all the way to a 12k naniwa superstone... then i pull my hard Jnat and do 20 x strokes on it, stop and shave... the next day i take same razor and go 1k synthetic and mid range jnat and hard jnat... or asano nagura progression... then strop and then shave ... in that instance i can tell the difference. Because its the same razor treated with different abrasives and different metals act different to different abrasives. Now... i you send me a 2 razors and one you went to 8k shapton and then to jnat and the other one you went from 1k shapton and did jnats... I probably couldn’t tell which one is which... Something ive learn honing is that at times edges might be great but at the same time feel different... for good or bad or just different... I hope that somewhat answers that... my preference fir jnats if using synthetic is after a 4k... not after 8k or 12k.
@@RobertOrtiz1015 I learnt so much from your writing. Thank you for your patience to share your knowledge. You are really very knowledgeable. The idea of all jnats (except bevel set) along the progression line is very fascinating, if one is in love of jnat.
Clement Wong no problems...im here for you... btw Setting a bevel on a jnat is possible with a stone such as an Aoto but i tend to drift towards 1k synthetic for consistency
Hey Robert, where do you think this stone fits on the progression? Would it be good to use after a 6K Naniwa? What do think the approximate grit of this natural stone is? I know no one likes to go there, but throw out a number according to your experience, I'm sure it will be close. Thanks brother.
@@RobertOrtiz1015 - Damn, that's not what I wanted to hear. The guy who sold it to me said it was around 10K to 12K (speaking about my stone, the Ohira Koppa). Are you talking about your stone, or stones like this in general, which I believe my stone does fit into this category?
My particular stone brother... you can have a nakayama that is a finisher and another Nakayama that is a midrange. The mine does not determine how hard its the stone or the capabilities of such.
@@RobertOrtiz1015 - Yeah, no doubt. I expected that answer. Without seeing and using the stone yourself, it's all guesswork. I checked out your vacation video in Japan, the castle visit. Pretty awesome. You have a beautiful family. I think I'm going to break down and just buy a Naniwa 12K, no guesswork, you know what you're getting.
@@Greyswyndir naturals are surely more for playing and fun! If you want consistency... synthetic is the way to go indeed! Thanks for the nice comments! More stones coming and more Japan videos coming soon! Thanks for support and stopping by
nice one. In fact there are also pretty hard Shouhonyamas. I have one that can be used very well for finishing. Thanx for the Video.
Agree! There are some finishers for sure
Beautiful razor. I only have Norton 1,4,8K and ILR. This is all I’ve been using over last 6-7 years. I need to try some others
Brandon Hubbard trying different stones is path to becoming poor hahaha! Its addictive and fun!
Hit me up if you ever want an affordable jnat. I usually bring smaller and more affordable jnats that are great for first time jnat buyers to see if it’s something you like
Nice Robert. That looks like a beautiful stone.
Nice video Robert, I got 2 midrange Jnats a Tsushima black nagura ( just got that so learning that one) and a big brick of unknown mine that just erase the stria with ease sometimes I go synthic before my finisher and sometime i go straight from my Naniwa chosera 1 k to the unknown Jnat midrange and then to my finisher ( got 5 Jnat finishers) it is fun to hone so i do what i feel that day in the end it usually shaves good if not go back anc try again LOL, have a good one Robert, thanks for the informative videos
Having an array of stones is definitely the way to do it! Its fun to mix and match and play with them
Awesome I actually like going through a 3 stone progression although my Ozuku Koppa will take me from a 1k to a finished razors edge it's especially good to have options depending on whatever type of steel I'm honing as well sometimes I grab a stone that I haven't used in a while, always a pleasure Robert good stuff good sir.
Thats the reason most of us skip the midrange stone when we use jnats! Alot of the finishing stones are good enough to take care of a wide range
@Robert Ortiz What is the advantage of using a mid-range jnat? Because at the end of the end, when you finish on a finishing jnat, it will erase, ideally, all the scratches from previous progression. Please give me some insight so as to help me to decide to buy a mid-range.
And do you sell stones? how?
Clement Wong i do sell stones here and there via FB or email jibaro1015@gmail.com
I used to have an etsy store but i closed it.
As for mid range stones... these are ideal if you want to experience a full or as full of a jnat progression as possible. You can use one right after bevel set and then use a really hard finisher. It breaches that gap... Also Makes honing faster and ensures deep scratches are gone and ensures less time on each stone...
alot of jnats can do well after a 4-6k and some finishers will do good after a 1k! I had jnats i have done a 1 stone hone with ... i have some videos on it.
In my opinion mid range are awesome because they give you a more full experience AND keep you from over using your most expensive hard jnats! Mid range stones are often cheaper and also great to finish kitchen knives.
Robert, I got your point. But do you think we can distinguish whether the mid-range is done by synthetic say up to 6000, and a mid-range jnat, which will be done by the jnat finisher anyway? Or is it just a matter of preference? Thanks in advance.
I can really learn a lot from your video.
Clement Wong interesting question and their is no simple answer but i will give it a go... so... depends hahaha! Joking aside... lets say i am honing a boker razor with full synthetic progression all the way to a 12k naniwa superstone... then i pull my hard Jnat and do 20 x strokes on it, stop and shave... the next day i take same razor and go 1k synthetic and mid range jnat and hard jnat... or asano nagura progression... then strop and then shave ... in that instance i can tell the difference. Because its the same razor treated with different abrasives and different metals act different to different abrasives.
Now... i you send me a 2 razors and one you went to 8k shapton and then to jnat and the other one you went from 1k shapton and did jnats... I probably couldn’t tell which one is which...
Something ive learn honing is that at times edges might be great but at the same time feel different... for good or bad or just different...
I hope that somewhat answers that... my preference fir jnats if using synthetic is after a 4k... not after 8k or 12k.
@@RobertOrtiz1015 I learnt so much from your writing. Thank you for your patience to share your knowledge. You are really very knowledgeable.
The idea of all jnats (except bevel set) along the progression line is very fascinating, if one is in love of jnat.
Clement Wong no problems...im here for you... btw
Setting a bevel on a jnat is possible with a stone such as an Aoto but i tend to drift towards 1k synthetic for consistency
Nice hone
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Hey Robert, where do you think this stone fits on the progression? Would it be good to use after a 6K Naniwa? What do think the approximate grit of this natural stone is? I know no one likes to go there, but throw out a number according to your experience, I'm sure it will be close. Thanks brother.
Being a mid-range stone i would put it after a 3-4k or even after a 1k with some heavy slurry. You can do 1k, this stone and finisher stone.
@@RobertOrtiz1015 - Damn, that's not what I wanted to hear. The guy who sold it to me said it was around 10K to 12K (speaking about my stone, the Ohira Koppa). Are you talking about your stone, or stones like this in general, which I believe my stone does fit into this category?
My particular stone brother... you can have a nakayama that is a finisher and another Nakayama that is a midrange. The mine does not determine how hard its the stone or the capabilities of such.
@@RobertOrtiz1015 - Yeah, no doubt. I expected that answer. Without seeing and using the stone yourself, it's all guesswork. I checked out your vacation video in Japan, the castle visit. Pretty awesome. You have a beautiful family.
I think I'm going to break down and just buy a Naniwa 12K, no guesswork, you know what you're getting.
@@Greyswyndir naturals are surely more for playing and fun! If you want consistency... synthetic is the way to go indeed!
Thanks for the nice comments! More stones coming and more Japan videos coming soon! Thanks for support and stopping by