42:15 ‘That was basically an open goal’ as someone who goes for tons of air snipes, this perfectly described the feeling of catching a com out in the open with no nearby aa, it’s just begging to be killed.
DonGringo should give himself some more credit. Sure, he spent the entire game being a chewtoy for higher ranked players, but by golly he kept them distracted long enough for his team to establish their eco and infrastructure. From my (limited) experience, in team games, whether you win or lose is often less relevant than how *quickly* you win or lose. Also, even if you aren't that great of a player, you can add a lot of value by adding situational awareness. A lot of plays, and even com kills, could have been prevented with a simple ping. If a team had a spectator that could do nothing but chat, ping, and watch the map, that spectator would be a sizeable advantage.
@@EricDMMiller SMD is at least a major investment - a stack of t2 SAMs under your shields is pretty damn cheap in the mid-late game, and if you've lost air control it becomes non-optional.
A big enough block of gunships is a game ender. A big block of cruisers on a central pond map is enough to give you an advantage, it's then down to how much advantage you take of that advantage.
The 'Broadsword rush' often leads to victory. They're just so powerful and so tanky. Building more T3 sams doesn't always do much since the Broadswords can practically destroy them all in a split second as they sweep through. Calling them cheesy or unbalanced is perhaps going a bit too far, since they do require quite an investment, but you can see why it must be frustrating for the losing team.
The problem is the actual interesting ones at low rank are very far and few between, quite often there are lulls in action where nothing happens but a cold war while both sides build up. Getting fights with constant/interesting action, or with a back and forth or comeback kind of event are hard enough to find at higher ranks, even more so at the lower end. Higher ranked players have higher APM, which leads to more things happening and more interesting fights.
So many times, so many times forgetting about air defenses results in sudden loss. Just one T3 engineer building SAMs for 20 minutes all around the place would have completely stopped this...
Let this be a reminder to scatter static air defense batteries around your territory boys and girls - especially when you don't have air control. Though honestly team 1 could have just dunked their coms in the lake once they had hard control of it.
haha it being cheese makes sense from the perspective of two gentlemen engaging in honorable warfare, where you're meant to duke it out properly, in the expected fashion. As it were.
not cheesy, Nahsinka really didn't take over well and dominate with air.. Way too much over looking of air coverage. Not enough pushing down the left hand side. Looked weak, died weakly, reverted back to childhood and cried lots.
Does the volcano only attract 1 missile at a time now? If you could create a hybrid race of any 2 factions, what would they be? and which commander would you choose from those factions?
I don't know if the FAF team has any involvement with the SSB dev (I know it's been forked a couple of times), but I'd really like it if on the SSB, there is a little paintbrush icon next to each team where a caster could pick out a brighter color for each team. Oftentimes the dark purple and dark red for example are really really hard to see and make out names.
Ok. What if you take the focus cam from the campange only for observers. Means every time a Commander dies you will auto focus on him? You can send this to FAF ! Have a nice day sir or madams!
24:00 I'm just going to guess right here that Team 2 wins it, they're letting Geneva run away with eco and while the navy play is nice and all I don't see team 1 capitalizing on that water win.
They didn't ignore air in "every way imaginable." They had ASF but lost the air war. Now I'm not excusing them for not building SAMs though... or T3 Anti-Air Land.
I mean what does he expect? To spend another 30 minutes building an army of GCs? Nothing wrong with killing someone with air and nothing cheesy about it. Now if he built Stealth and Tac Missile Launchers on the other side of the map, THAT would have been cheesy.@@youtubeforcinghandlessucks
30:00 - you don't see him playing a role in this game? he singlehandedly took franzibald out of the game, while that franz commited all his eco to defeat dongringos base, and that base stood strong the last 30 minutes. and even if he finishes gringos base, his eco is wasted on that fleet in the pond, which now can do nothing more, than deny the other two a quick line arround the base... while the other 2 on team 2 have all the time in the world to take care of Nasimka.. and just a few moments earlier you wondered why team 2 has so much more eco than team 1...
No way that was cheese Nasimka just got boned and didn't pay attention to his air production. Thought he was golden with the Naval advantage and didn't bother to shield his air production. Derpy af 😂
The play here was put your coms in the pond guys, grubbling cause you let the enemy do an end run , skill issue. Easily said by me iv not played sup com for years
Well earned loss for team 1. If you have mapcontrol and better resources, there is no excuce, if cant produce a sufficient amount of air defence - stationary and mobile - and fortify your position with it. There was no "cheese" here. Just bad play at the end from team 1 and team 2 did spot this big weakpoint in time.
getting real tired of teams throwing games away purely cause they aren't scouting or paying attention to what advantages the enemy has and making counter measures to it like ground based anti-air when they were down air for almost the entire game.
42:15 ‘That was basically an open goal’
as someone who goes for tons of air snipes, this perfectly described the feeling of catching a com out in the open with no nearby aa, it’s just begging to be killed.
DonGringo should give himself some more credit. Sure, he spent the entire game being a chewtoy for higher ranked players, but by golly he kept them distracted long enough for his team to establish their eco and infrastructure. From my (limited) experience, in team games, whether you win or lose is often less relevant than how *quickly* you win or lose.
Also, even if you aren't that great of a player, you can add a lot of value by adding situational awareness. A lot of plays, and even com kills, could have been prevented with a simple ping. If a team had a spectator that could do nothing but chat, ping, and watch the map, that spectator would be a sizeable advantage.
15 years, and people who are out-done on the air war still have not figured out they have to build SAMs in their base!
Its kinda astonishing isn't it
Yeah, it's not cheese, t2 AA even costs very little at that stage. The issue is people don't like buying insurance.
That and the lack of SMD make me shake my head sometimes.
@@EricDMMiller SMD is at least a major investment - a stack of t2 SAMs under your shields is pretty damn cheap in the mid-late game, and if you've lost air control it becomes non-optional.
He has style, no one ever called him vile, he is Gyle !
A big enough block of gunships is a game ender. A big block of cruisers on a central pond map is enough to give you an advantage, it's then down to how much advantage you take of that advantage.
That was a fairly straightforward game. Also a good cast today, solid attention, fluid commentary.
At 34:00 that tac missile launch at the cruisers from Geneva, apparently he doesn't know they have TMD built in.
The 'Broadsword rush' often leads to victory. They're just so powerful and so tanky. Building more T3 sams doesn't always do much since the Broadswords can practically destroy them all in a split second as they sweep through.
Calling them cheesy or unbalanced is perhaps going a bit too far, since they do require quite an investment, but you can see why it must be frustrating for the losing team.
Incredibly solid air snipe. Bad they lost that. Lost air and didnt do anything to address the danger
Gotta love Gyle, he forgets what he's talking about whilst making a bad pun, classic!
You should have another series called LOWS, where you cast half decent low ranked games. pros, joes and lows
The problem is the actual interesting ones at low rank are very far and few between, quite often there are lulls in action where nothing happens but a cold war while both sides build up. Getting fights with constant/interesting action, or with a back and forth or comeback kind of event are hard enough to find at higher ranks, even more so at the lower end. Higher ranked players have higher APM, which leads to more things happening and more interesting fights.
I am LOW, you do not want to see these games 😶🌫
I'd vote for a "Joes vs Pros" again
Lmao that end.
So many times, so many times forgetting about air defenses results in sudden loss.
Just one T3 engineer building SAMs for 20 minutes all around the place would have completely stopped this...
Let this be a reminder to scatter static air defense batteries around your territory boys and girls - especially when you don't have air control.
Though honestly team 1 could have just dunked their coms in the lake once they had hard control of it.
They would have been prone to nukes. And that gunship swarm was big enough to wipe out their eco.
@@lint8391 Yes. An anti nuke could have covered the pond, but they needed more air cover regardless to protect eco.
Torp bombers could have sniped them. Having said that, it seemed like t1 thought they had it in the bag and got lazy with their coms
What a pendulum of an artists dance. Beautiful game beautiful cast and stay awesome gyle!
perfect example why you should always fight to the end
Turning 42 soon? Good for you, and happy birthday.
Team 2 yielding the pond looks like the death of them at 26 minutes.
Obviously the MVP is the gunship dual snipe
haha it being cheese makes sense from the perspective of two gentlemen engaging in honorable warfare, where you're meant to duke it out properly, in the expected fashion. As it were.
not cheesy, Nahsinka really didn't take over well and dominate with air.. Way too much over looking of air coverage. Not enough pushing down the left hand side. Looked weak, died weakly, reverted back to childhood and cried lots.
Amazing thumbnail and thank you for the video 😁
another great day with gyle cast
Hey Gyle, great job on the cast as always! Have you ever thought about doing a cast solely from the perspective of one team? Just a thought!
Nice win i didnt see it coming at all
Does the volcano only attract 1 missile at a time now?
If you could create a hybrid race of any 2 factions, what would they be? and which commander would you choose from those factions?
I don't know if the FAF team has any involvement with the SSB dev (I know it's been forked a couple of times), but I'd really like it if on the SSB, there is a little paintbrush icon next to each team where a caster could pick out a brighter color for each team. Oftentimes the dark purple and dark red for example are really really hard to see and make out names.
It sometimes gets hard to seperate the colors on the map with the two blues being quite close to another.
Thanks Gyle, God bless you
Amazing air strategy good game ❤
Love you gyle! Hope you are well
Great finish, they found a weakness and exploited it.
Hi Justin ❤
Partially constructed units / buildings should just use that yellow bar commanders use when they teleport or facs use when they build things.
Ok. What if you take the focus cam from the campange only for observers. Means every time a Commander dies you will auto focus on him? You can send this to FAF ! Have a nice day sir or madams!
Air is everything!
What? not only do we look alike, but we are born the same year? Some fine individuals made in 1982 I tell ya. ;)
I have the steam game so i guess im 50% there? but is it hard to join you lot over at faf? i mean im noob but i can learn! :)
24:00 I'm just going to guess right here that Team 2 wins it, they're letting Geneva run away with eco and while the navy play is nice and all I don't see team 1 capitalizing on that water win.
“So cheesy” says the guy whose team completely ignored air in every way imaginable.
You need to double-check who said that...
They didn't ignore air in "every way imaginable." They had ASF but lost the air war. Now I'm not excusing them for not building SAMs though... or T3 Anti-Air Land.
It was the guy that won the air and did the snipe that said it was cheesy... and why my previous comment saying that got deleted?
I mean what does he expect? To spend another 30 minutes building an army of GCs? Nothing wrong with killing someone with air and nothing cheesy about it. Now if he built Stealth and Tac Missile Launchers on the other side of the map, THAT would have been cheesy.@@youtubeforcinghandlessucks
Did you never watch Entourage? So it would be Ari Gold to rhyme with starry fold, not arigold to rhyme with washing up gloves.
Bizarre getting that sloppy with both remaining coms, much less when there's a novax in play.
30:00 - you don't see him playing a role in this game?
he singlehandedly took franzibald out of the game, while that franz commited all his eco to defeat dongringos base, and that base stood strong the last 30 minutes.
and even if he finishes gringos base, his eco is wasted on that fleet in the pond, which now can do nothing more, than deny the other two a quick line arround the base...
while the other 2 on team 2 have all the time in the world to take care of Nasimka..
and just a few moments earlier you wondered why team 2 has so much more eco than team 1...
My battleship nuke and chicken building in the water were almost done :(
No way that was cheese Nasimka just got boned and didn't pay attention to his air production. Thought he was golden with the Naval advantage and didn't bother to shield his air production. Derpy af 😂
Like because of DonGringo! :D ...And because: Gyle.
Geneva cold as ice.
i don't know how assaulting and killing the enemy with air can be considered cheese that is crazy
Just in time for my snacks :)
Did that first guy have to go for dinner or something. Seemed like a death wish to me
The play here was put your coms in the pond guys, grubbling cause you let the enemy do an end run , skill issue. Easily said by me iv not played sup com for years
Nice turn 😂
no arty in t2 base near lake.... tztz and tehy let the gringo to alone against the violet player
what the hell was skrat thinking
Nice
Gyle Gyle
broadswords op
Again an air snipe ends the game because the winning team is just to greedy.
It's not cheese if it's in the game... should've built SAMS
Well earned loss for team 1. If you have mapcontrol and better resources, there is no excuce, if cant produce a sufficient amount of air defence - stationary and mobile - and fortify your position with it. There was no "cheese" here. Just bad play at the end from team 1 and team 2 did spot this big weakpoint in time.
I not think that air snipe was cheese if it fail to get both ACU then the game was lost, nothing to stop the crab
Well there was another GC on the way from Ari. But we never know.
getting real tired of teams throwing games away purely cause they aren't scouting or paying attention to what advantages the enemy has and making counter measures to it like ground based anti-air when they were down air for almost the entire game.