Late to know about this game. I found it used for $30 today and could not pass it up after a quick BGG read to confirm it would be worth a try. Looks like it was placed a few times at most so like new with everything sorted and assembled. Just finished your video, which confirmed my feeling in the store. Looking forward to getting this on the table. Hopefully soon. Keep up making these great videos.
@@timber9705 I haven't looked at the Freezing Inferno bot yet, but Khalkhin Gol has one. I've got a series of three videos about the game on the channel, here's a link to the first one. The next two should be linked from the end of the first one. :) th-cam.com/video/B079vnSzqww/w-d-xo.html
I just bought this game and wanted to mention a couple of things about the published version. It appears they really took your advice to heart. The board on the opposite side from the board you are showing here, not only has city names, but it also looks much more like a traditional top-down wargame map. It reminds me a bit of a map from Ambush!. I think this is advice they got saying the above map looks a little cartoonish. Also they did change the font everywhere to a normal sans serif font. It looks much better. I just got the game late yesterday and am looking forward to playing it.
That's great to hear about the changes and that you've got the final version in hand! Mine arrived a couple of days ago as well. They are very responsive to feedback, and I think the changes they made are very positive. I hope you enjoy the game! :)
@@ZillaBlitz I have the board set up and will start a game after I've read the rulebook once more. I want a game with more playing and less reading the rules. I think this game will fit the bill.
@@ZillaBlitz I haven't had a chance to play a lot but so far I really like it. I just made a change that makes it easier for me. From now on a single unit on a square represents a full stack. I'm not going to actually stack counters until there is some damage. If a unit gets down to strength 1, I will put something on the unit to indicate it is a 1 strength and not 5. I really don't like constantly moving tall stacks of counters.
Nice look through the game. I quite liked this one when you did your original look at it. I imagine the developers kept the Finnish city names off the board, since some of them are unpronounceable (particularly those up north!).
That very well could be the reason, but I think they said they wanted to make the game friendly to newcomers for wargaming, and they thought the city names and information would make things more complex. I can understand that, and at the same time I'm glad they'll be a map with the names too. Everyone wins!
I will be watching for this one to hit the stores. This is one of my areas of interest too. Looks amazing! Looks a lot more fun than GMT's Arctic Storm...
Looks a good game, pleased they have another map. Love the dice roll on combat, not your usual wholesale slaughter. Do the air units have to miss a turn after engaging, ie repair, refuel, rearm or do they attack every time, if they are in range? Looking forward to the tinkering with the game to make it even better. Great play through. Thank you.
I don't know why, but I just love the Anti-Luck Dice. :) And no, the air units can activate any turn. The turns are roughly a month, so I think refueling/rearming would be a bit odd with the time scale, perhaps. There aren't that many air units in the game, either, so having them able every turn is nice. Weather can limit their usefulness, though. The second turn was a snow turn, so range was -4, pretty much grounded the air forces.
The KS just launched and you’ll likely be disappointed by the other map. It looks nearly identical to this one. They only tweaked what you’ve seen already. It comes with a printable PDF of the “new” map? The actual double sided map is a stretch goal that may be unlocked. That’s odd. No real stretch goals. Pay for STL files so you can print minis? Not sure why anyone would care and who’s got a 3d printer laying about lol. It also appears that there is no storage inside the box as they list the box contents and there’s no images or mention of any. For $71 with shipping (US) it’s a pass for me. There are just too many other games that I’m more interested in. I’ve gotten wrapped up in a few KS games that looked interesting and I’ve regretted them all lol. You gotta definitely be careful with KS. It’s become the new impulse buying lol
Hi If I can give some idees -We'll need to have a system to mark which units have move at this turn -the air combat result is pretty realistic but it's maybe overpower for the game balance -for the public version I think you can stick together the cards of combat result
Good ideas, Pierre! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was turning units sideways to mark movement/combat status if there was any chance I'd forget, but markers might be nice, yes. There aren't that many units on the board but if you split stacks up there can get to be a good bit more, for sure.
Great job Zilla! I actually watched the whole video (which is rare). I know minis are almost required in today's market, but I want to be the lone voice decrying their use. Makes it feel like a toy. This game at least has a utilitarian option with the dials. I hate wargames that become way overcrowded trying to fit minis on the map. This doesn't include wooden blocks, those are the coolest option ever!😉 Having spent almost five years studying Finnish, I can appreciate the double-sided board. I'm assuming the side you showed highlights the game info and the other side features Finnish labels, which are pretty much white noise to us English speakers. 🤔
Thanks for stopping in, Boom! I definitely want to try a miniatures version, as most of the games I've been playing don't have them, and it's something I'd like to try. I can see, though, how a map could get too crowded if the minis are too big. On the map, I don't have the second version, they aded it later. I've seem some small screenshots of the prototype version of it, but not more.
Blitz und deer Zillah , tag untgut , shame they didn't include any Naval elements here , even if they weren't important I feel whith the Baltic ports there must have been a way to add that option!!! After all that's why we enjoy these types of games , Ausgezeichnet 😕👍
I think for the most part they are trying to keep the games beginner friendly, so they try to streamline gameplay a lot. Navy would be nice but every additional thing adds rules. :)
What a fantastic review, early playthrough,no wonder companies send you their games to test. Unusual theatre to start with,not interesting but usually it's the Eastern front or part of the Eastern front. I watched all the way through but not considering to purchase it and the models are definitely a no no,stick to the tiles. But a very good game review, I know it's still not complete but a solid edition to this part of the market. 👍
Thanks, Richard, for the kinds words! I'm glad you enjoyed it. From the communication with the developer, I get the sense that they are trying to give people options, so I think the counters and minis will be an option with the game (not sure though).
@@ZillaBlitz thanks for the reply, I'm also a big fan of wings of war/glory. WW1 and WW2 those miniatures are top quality, there are a few videos on TH-cam. Perhaps you could do a review on this game a little different from the board games...just a thought cheers
A couple of people have mentioned Wings of War/Glory, yes. That might be fun to try at some point, but my backlog has gotten a bit large at the moment. :)
@@ZillaBlitz one for the future perhaps, anyway keep up the good work on your channel, I hope it grows and grows, the content and format is excellent 👍
I would be really intrested to see how the AI bots work, in a way I do like the sound of this game. But as I mainly play solo I am very hesitant on getting games that are not primaraly made for solo play when there are no reviews or playthrough's of it out. But the game does sound really intresthing.
Great video, again. But… a little thing, you once and the games makes, I saw on one of the cards, used the word Scandinavian. Finns are not Scandinavian I don’t think they like it either.
Thanks for pointing that out. In what I've looked up on it, it doesn't seem so clear cut, at least usage-wise. But yeah, I'd prefer that I used term Nordic instead. Thanks. :)
The more I see this map and font choice the more I hate it lol. I kind of wish they would’ve waited on something close to the final product before letting a prototype out. I don’t even know why they’d include this kiddie style map as I can’t imagine too many would want it.
I do like how this map looks from a distance, but I'm less of a fan of it up close. I can say, having played on it now, that it's very functional and easy to work with. But to me, the lack of historical names and the nature of the artwork gives it a bit of a fantasy feel to the game. So yeah, I'm not at your level of hate by any means, but I am looking forward to the new version of the map. It was interesting, though, when the developer posted a poll on Twitter, a good number of people really liked this map. It was close to a 50-50 split. :)
@@ZillaBlitz That’s shocking lol. I’m not saying someone couldn’t like it. For me I couldn’t take the game seriously. I’d rather it was as dull as an old AH map over this. I appreciate the video though.
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Late to know about this game. I found it used for $30 today and could not pass it up after a quick BGG read to confirm it would be worth a try. Looks like it was placed a few times at most so like new with everything sorted and assembled.
Just finished your video, which confirmed my feeling in the store. Looking forward to getting this on the table. Hopefully soon.
Keep up making these great videos.
It's a fun game about a rarely covered topic, and if you like this one you might enjoy Khalkhin Gol too, which uses a similar engine.
@@ZillaBlitz Will Khalkhin Gol have the same type of AI Bot? I can't find any info on it.
@@timber9705 I haven't looked at the Freezing Inferno bot yet, but Khalkhin Gol has one. I've got a series of three videos about the game on the channel, here's a link to the first one. The next two should be linked from the end of the first one. :)
th-cam.com/video/B079vnSzqww/w-d-xo.html
I just bought this game and wanted to mention a couple of things about the published version. It appears they really took your advice to heart. The board on the opposite side from the board you are showing here, not only has city names, but it also looks much more like a traditional top-down wargame map. It reminds me a bit of a map from Ambush!. I think this is advice they got saying the above map looks a little cartoonish. Also they did change the font everywhere to a normal sans serif font. It looks much better. I just got the game late yesterday and am looking forward to playing it.
That's great to hear about the changes and that you've got the final version in hand! Mine arrived a couple of days ago as well. They are very responsive to feedback, and I think the changes they made are very positive. I hope you enjoy the game! :)
@@ZillaBlitz I have the board set up and will start a game after I've read the rulebook once more. I want a game with more playing and less reading the rules. I think this game will fit the bill.
I'd be curious to hear how it goes. :)@@TWolf317
@@ZillaBlitz I haven't had a chance to play a lot but so far I really like it. I just made a change that makes it easier for me. From now on a single unit on a square represents a full stack. I'm not going to actually stack counters until there is some damage. If a unit gets down to strength 1, I will put something on the unit to indicate it is a 1 strength and not 5. I really don't like constantly moving tall stacks of counters.
Another enthusiastic video that made the time fly by!
Good use of zoom-ins on a game that looks pretty different in a good way!
Thanks, Ray! It was fun to make.
Great video! Is this going to KS?
Thanks! :) Yes, KS link is in the description, starts Oct 25 I think.
This game looks very interesting looking forward of what comes of it.
It feels quite solid, yes. I like the topic as well.
Nice look through the game. I quite liked this one when you did your original look at it.
I imagine the developers kept the Finnish city names off the board, since some of them are unpronounceable (particularly those up north!).
That very well could be the reason, but I think they said they wanted to make the game friendly to newcomers for wargaming, and they thought the city names and information would make things more complex. I can understand that, and at the same time I'm glad they'll be a map with the names too. Everyone wins!
hi zilla how are you great video
Thanks, Ateeq, all good here, you doing okay?
@@ZillaBlitz yes good thanks half term now
Nice! You get a break?
@@ZillaBlitz yes for 1 week is the US on half term?
Not yet for us here, but each state is slightly different. :)
You should get head tracking for American truck sim
I tested out an open-source version at one point but it was tricky to film and use it. I’d like to get a full version but money. :)
I will be watching for this one to hit the stores. This is one of my areas of interest too. Looks amazing! Looks a lot more fun than GMT's Arctic Storm...
I'm excited to see the final version too, and there are two map versions included too. That's really cool. :)
Looks a good game, pleased they have another map. Love the dice roll on combat, not your usual wholesale slaughter. Do the air units have to miss a turn after engaging, ie repair, refuel, rearm or do they attack every time, if they are in range? Looking forward to the tinkering with the game to make it even better. Great play through. Thank you.
I don't know why, but I just love the Anti-Luck Dice. :) And no, the air units can activate any turn. The turns are roughly a month, so I think refueling/rearming would be a bit odd with the time scale, perhaps. There aren't that many air units in the game, either, so having them able every turn is nice. Weather can limit their usefulness, though. The second turn was a snow turn, so range was -4, pretty much grounded the air forces.
The KS just launched and you’ll likely be disappointed by the other map. It looks nearly identical to this one. They only tweaked what you’ve seen already. It comes with a printable PDF of the “new” map? The actual double sided map is a stretch goal that may be unlocked. That’s odd. No real stretch goals. Pay for STL files so you can print minis? Not sure why anyone would care and who’s got a 3d printer laying about lol. It also appears that there is no storage inside the box as they list the box contents and there’s no images or mention of any. For $71 with shipping (US) it’s a pass for me. There are just too many other games that I’m more interested in. I’ve gotten wrapped up in a few KS games that looked interesting and I’ve regretted them all lol. You gotta definitely be careful with KS. It’s become the new impulse buying lol
Hi
If I can give some idees
-We'll need to have a system to mark which units have move at this turn
-the air combat result is pretty realistic but it's maybe overpower for the game balance
-for the public version I think you can stick together the cards of combat result
Good ideas, Pierre! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was turning units sideways to mark movement/combat status if there was any chance I'd forget, but markers might be nice, yes. There aren't that many units on the board but if you split stacks up there can get to be a good bit more, for sure.
Great job Zilla! I actually watched the whole video (which is rare).
I know minis are almost required in today's market, but I want to be the lone voice decrying their use. Makes it feel like a toy. This game at least has a utilitarian option with the dials. I hate wargames that become way overcrowded trying to fit minis on the map. This doesn't include wooden blocks, those are the coolest option ever!😉
Having spent almost five years studying Finnish, I can appreciate the double-sided board. I'm assuming the side you showed highlights the game info and the other side features Finnish labels, which are pretty much white noise to us English speakers. 🤔
Thanks for stopping in, Boom! I definitely want to try a miniatures version, as most of the games I've been playing don't have them, and it's something I'd like to try. I can see, though, how a map could get too crowded if the minis are too big.
On the map, I don't have the second version, they aded it later. I've seem some small screenshots of the prototype version of it, but not more.
Blitz und deer Zillah , tag untgut , shame they didn't include any Naval elements here , even if they weren't important I feel whith the Baltic ports there must have been a way to add that option!!! After all that's why we enjoy these types of games , Ausgezeichnet 😕👍
I think for the most part they are trying to keep the games beginner friendly, so they try to streamline gameplay a lot. Navy would be nice but every additional thing adds rules. :)
What a fantastic review, early playthrough,no wonder companies send you their games to test. Unusual theatre to start with,not interesting but usually it's the Eastern front or part of the Eastern front. I watched all the way through but not considering to purchase it and the models are definitely a no no,stick to the tiles. But a very good game review, I know it's still not complete but a solid edition to this part of the market. 👍
Thanks, Richard, for the kinds words! I'm glad you enjoyed it. From the communication with the developer, I get the sense that they are trying to give people options, so I think the counters and minis will be an option with the game (not sure though).
@@ZillaBlitz thanks for the reply, I'm also a big fan of wings of war/glory. WW1 and WW2 those miniatures are top quality, there are a few videos on TH-cam. Perhaps you could do a review on this game a little different from the board games...just a thought cheers
A couple of people have mentioned Wings of War/Glory, yes. That might be fun to try at some point, but my backlog has gotten a bit large at the moment. :)
@@ZillaBlitz one for the future perhaps, anyway keep up the good work on your channel, I hope it grows and grows, the content and format is excellent 👍
Thanks, Richard! Much appreciated. I'm just trying to enjoy the journey. Having a blast so far. :)
I would be really intrested to see how the AI bots work, in a way I do like the sound of this game. But as I mainly play solo I am very hesitant on getting games that are not primaraly made for solo play when there are no reviews or playthrough's of it out.
But the game does sound really intresthing.
Yes, I'm curious how the solo bot will work too. I saw an outline of how it will work but it's hard to tell from that. :)
Great video, again. But… a little thing, you once and the games makes, I saw on one of the cards, used the word Scandinavian. Finns are not Scandinavian I don’t think they like it either.
Thanks for pointing that out. In what I've looked up on it, it doesn't seem so clear cut, at least usage-wise. But yeah, I'd prefer that I used term Nordic instead. Thanks. :)
Andi I wanna Bulge game whith this Art , system, engine, 🤪🌿🤪✍️
That would be very interesting, for sure!
The more I see this map and font choice the more I hate it lol. I kind of wish they would’ve waited on something close to the final product before letting a prototype out. I don’t even know why they’d include this kiddie style map as I can’t imagine too many would want it.
I do like how this map looks from a distance, but I'm less of a fan of it up close. I can say, having played on it now, that it's very functional and easy to work with. But to me, the lack of historical names and the nature of the artwork gives it a bit of a fantasy feel to the game. So yeah, I'm not at your level of hate by any means, but I am looking forward to the new version of the map.
It was interesting, though, when the developer posted a poll on Twitter, a good number of people really liked this map. It was close to a 50-50 split. :)
@@ZillaBlitz That’s shocking lol. I’m not saying someone couldn’t like it. For me I couldn’t take the game seriously. I’d rather it was as dull as an old AH map over this. I appreciate the video though.
There will be a second map, completely in a wargamers' style. Keep an eye on the Kickstarter campaign! Thank you for the feedback. 😊
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