You might be the great person you think you are but that has nothing to do with anyone else. You're not an example, neither was Manson. The murderers weren't examples for anyone either. It's just a bunch of screwed up people just like the thousands of church goers that cheat on their husbands and wives every day. Just like the politicians that steal money. No person is better than another. The BIBLE tells you that.
AGAIN, as previous "Common-Sense" reply: Did you take copious amounts of acid though? it take MANY people10 YEARS to finally feel "normal" again after taking as much Acid, Hallucinogenics as these people did. TRY ACID! With the WRONG people u could do ANYTHING, its like a "nightmare state" you DONT even have control most the time, you just "go with the story" of whatever is playing out, but its REAL! We watched the kindest most friendly best friend in Highschool talk to the devil for 6 HOURS! it was a camp fire, lol.
SADLY L ES;IE VANHOUTEN SAID SHE WAS LOOKING FOR OMETHUJNG MORE OUT OF LIFE, HER MIDDLE CLASS LIFE WAS NIT WNUFF. I THINK HER ABORTION AND BURIAL OF DEAD BABY HAD A HORRIFIC EFFECT UPON HER THINKING.............
I still remember these women after their arrest, smirking and singing in the police station. I don't care if they've become saints. They should never be released from jail.
But you’re fine with Newsome releasing not one but SIX different level 3 child predators out on parole in just the last 4 months? Five of which have killed a child during the course of their crime- and the last one wasn’t from lack of trying, he was happened to survive after the guy smashed his head with a rock, strangled him and then threw him out in the middle of the dessert, buried him under a bunch of debris, shrubbery, sand and rocks- you’re fine with THAT but you’re worried about two elderly women who haven’t had any violent interactions in jail the whole almost 60 years they’ve been imprisoned and one who only participated in one of these murdered and the other perpetrators admit that she wasn’t the one who murdered anyone and only stabbed the victim after she was dead and under duress? Lol it’s ridiculous. Maybe you can make a case for Pat staying in but Leslie Van Houston should’ve BEEN OUT.. and should’ve been out since the 80s. I think 25-30 years would’ve been sufficient punishment for stabbing an already dead person and for her involvement if you’re fine with the above criminals being released. One of which already reoffended last month by the way after only being out on parole less then 3 months and in prison for over 20 years prior. But you feel safer with him in the community then these two lol crazy
its not just the use of drugs its people using the drugs to control you and convince you your doing right. they same way a drunk person is more likely to try other drugs because they are more open and careless
@@renatawarec Have you looked into the facts--they spell it out in this video. These people believed he was God or a son of God. Manson deliberately chose women who had "daddy issues," the way a pimp does. He fed them LSD day after day, along with meth, to make them into the violent clones he wanted. These are indeed mind-altering drugs, and there's a reason they are a felony offense. He isolated young girls and intimidated them with subtle threats of violence if that didn't work. They were in love with him, and they thought he was a Messiah who would save them. He used passages from the Bible to underscore this, and yes, God asked people to kill, even their own innocent children for him, not that I believe in the Old Testament.
Was involved in 60's hippy movement. Did a lot of LSD but can't imagine getting in with this evil group. These women.and Manson were drawn to each other because of their psychopathy.
Dexter Haven That would prove how weak men can be. I can only imagine how nasty sex would have been with any of these sick drug induced weirdos. Surprised the whole lot of them probably had every std known! Eww
My father had Scizophrenia, my mother OCD and rage, I married a man with ASPD, for 7 yrs. I know more then most about gaslighting and manipulation. A judge labelled me under the influence of my ex and an endangerment to myself. My ex messed me up so bad I became Catatonic and Isolated myself for 4 years. I was diagnosed with DDD and PTSD. I know for a fact if my ex tried to convince me to kill someone, I would tell him to get bent. No, is a sentence. He would have to kill me because I would never. The four years isolating were spent going through a thousand emotions. None more than guilt and shame. If the woman were innocent or if I was one of them, I wouldnt allow myself a parole hearing. How many did they have? I wouldnt blame the manipulation and trust me I was just as high and just as lied to. My ex hid my belongings on me while I searched endlessly.He tortured me in so many ways and when I cried to him that I was going crazy and he said nothing. Still when he asked me to robb something, I said no, knowing the hell I would experience. Our Brain= our choice.
Exactly there is a difference between wat is right and wrong, and all these people chose to do horrifying crimes which were so wrong & unforgivable & for them to think that they deserve to be forgiven & that they sud be allowed parole, after they decided to kill people not just once but after that as well, they did not think about wat the victims ordeals but they think they sud be given a 2nd chance, they do not deserve it, no way!!!!!
v. gopalakrishnan the worst part is people actually saying that they served there time and need to be free her lawyer was her husband it’s just all sick
@@rachelcrawford1977 No, Rachel. Some people can defend themselves quite well. No harm in that. And then, wouldn't you want to be free after those long years? You are being rash to say you could handle that sentence, knowing that but for drugs, a good conscience, and a good sense of the people you're getting involved with, you would have never allowed yourself to have horrors happening to others because of you.
Patricia Krenwinkel grew up in my hometown. She was an unwashed, attention seeking, drunk, druggie long before meeting Manson. Not because she was an unloved, mistreated, misunderstood child; she chose to be the person that she was. After committing the murders she ran back home to try and avoid getting caught. It didn’t work, she was arrested here. These murdering women are making excuses for their OWN choices!
Cassie I always thought some of those women were like Patricia. Manson knew this and that's part of why he chose them. They already had something twisted or wrong about them going in. You have to have a little of the capacity of evil to do those kinds of murderous or criminal acts in the 1st place. Alot of the other family members went on to live criminal lives after Manson was jailed and the family broke up. And one of the Manson girls respected what Patricia did and said if Manson chose her, she would have killed as well
The people Manson seemed to target were weak, submissive, had low self esteem, and were looking for something greater than themselves, boy did they follow the wrong path. Something also needs to be said about personal responsibility, can't blame others for your bad choices.
@@Summer_Beneath_The_Trees Not sure he studied Scientology alot in prison before he got out in 67. One of the first things he did when he got out was to go to a Scientology temple and said he was "clear", whatever that mumble jumble means, but the church denied him.
I doubt that any of those young people would've ever murdered anybody if they hadn't run into Manson. That sociopath ruined a lot of peoples lives. I highly recommend Tim Gunn's books on Manson and Jim Jones cult leader of the People's Temple. He lays it out how sociopaths get their followers to do what they want them to do. I was in a 6 year "relationship" with a covert narcissists and I was also manipulated very subtly and below the radar. Narcissists and sociopaths are master manipulators.
I I was a sixties flower child, so I know the scene. But there is no excuse, not drugs, not gurus, to justify such brutal and horrific murders. These people destroyed lives, and the consequences will go on for years. When will these people stop excusing themselves, and start saying sorry to the families they tore to pieces, even their own?
@@jamesmichael7991 the usa culture was slavery and murder brown people, ofcauce is going to become the culture as we see all to clearly today with mass shooting every day
@@jacobjorgenson9285 You are either a native of some other country or too young to remember when the murders happened - don't blame this country. The nation didn't murder the victims - the Manson family did
None of them showed any remorse for the murders of those 5 people. They slaughtered them without mercy. They should be shown no mercy either. They blame Manson for their acts of brutality. I hope they are never released from prison.
Me too. Every time. I cannot bring those victims back, and I cannot stop the pain in the parent's, siblings, children, husband, hearts. I cannot go back 53 summers and make all their lifes whole again. God knows I wished I could. I only can be a small piece in that wall, which holds them back in their prison cells. They have it WAY too good there. But at least they shall never be free again.
A year before the LA murders Patricia and Leslie (and a few others) were in jail in Ukiah, Mendocino County, California. My mother was a new Matron (CO) at the Jail. They were not the easiest to deal with.
kinda looks like that's whats going to happen. krenwinkel just got denied her 14th parole hearing. 14 is the charm i guess. she just doesnt get it. you would think after trying a couple times she would throw in the towel. even if they get a chance at parole all the governors of california past and present has blocked it. bruce davis his was just blocked by the now governor. manson himself will come up again when he's 94. he likely won't see 94. few of us in this world make it to that age.
Which indocrination did you mean. I think all the girls were teens from broken or disintergrating family back grounds. So likly to them at the time there was no where to run to. Even the haight Ashbury scene was breaking up or in turmoil. So they couldn't run there. I can not see any reason why they would run away up till the time Manson shot Bernard Crowe in the chest on 1969 July 1st. even then how many of those girls were told those events. So likly events were sex, orgies and LSD right up to 1969 July 31st when the music teacher named Gary Hinman was stabbed to death. Even then they were not all involed and why should they have run away then? With hind sight yes that would have been a good time to clear out. But they did not have that post trail hind sight and most likly had no knowledge of the murders being done by some. There were likly over fifty prople staying on the ranch at the time. So likely very easy to have not been aware of some of the heiniouse events up till August and the subsequent arrests.
Leslie Van Houten was actually my Grandpa’s Sister’s Best Friend in Highschool, and apparently they were thinking of bringing her into their family, but they chose not to. She eventually ran off and was arrested.
I actually think lvh is right up there.if your roommates killed people &told you how they did it,most normal people would get the hell out,go to the police,tell someone ,instead lvh begged to go on the next kill.and she said she wasn't even attracted to manson.thats why she needs to die in prison
Squeaky is crazy as hell, but the worst of the bunch was Susan and Tex. I feel no sympathy for anyone involved. However, I do think the less evil of the bunch was Leslie.
"I think that when my father left...." Oh ffs..., I was on my own at 15 and NEVER thought I should go slaughter people because "my father left"...., he left when I was 7 for God's sake.... Never sliced up innocent people, nor have I had a desire to do that because "my father left".... GAWD.
@@mikecastellon4545 Lol. You should not try always to take your wh*re home. Try it with normal women. I do not know women or girls which are in such a need that they would take such a dirty pos. No way!
I grew up in that period of time and never did the 'context of the time' put me into that kind of horrible trouble...thank God! My mind wouldn't have even conceived of doing those kinds of things. I remember how horrified I was to hear it all in the news at that time. I was in Junior High School. Everyone was just shocked! When you read about what Krenwinkel did it is so horrifying I couldn't believe anyone could have that sort of mind set! Why would she be looking to get out of prison?
As I've said above, I don't think the hippie scene was at all responsible for Manson, but it was responsible for the naivete and vulnerability that allowed him to thrive in it. The flip side of "Peace and love" and "Don't trust anyone over 30" was the idea that young, hip people making the right noises couldn't be bad. Between Manson and Altamont and a few other things that naivete bit the hippies in the ass pretty hard around 1969.
@@brucetucker4847 the hippies were far out of it 🥴, l was a biker, they were screwing and smoking 🤫and ban the bum 😂, while we got our dicks burnt trying to shag a hot exhaust pipe 🔥😝!, and they could spell corecklie 🙁?
I feel they all had evil in them. I know drugs were involved but they were evil already. Manson just knew how to talk. But they all deserve prison they should stay where they are.
because0011 It can be argued that we all have it in us. This world isn’t black and white and we have all been manipulated at a vulnerable time in our lives. We were just lucky and we didn’t meet him, was on hard core mood altering drugs, when the world was in such a state of flux. I just don’t think we can pass judgement on it. Do they deserve life in prison??? I don’t think so, but with that being said, I’ve not known someone brutally murdered, so I think we should all hesitate in such declarations and thank god that we don’t have to make that choice.
They would have long ago been pushing daisies in the prison grave yard, if the death penalty had not been abolished shortly after they were locked up. They were all murderous devils.
@@mary-annebrink8578 ~ Exactly... I never understood why they couldn't give them the death penalty again, once it was reinstated in the late 70's. Any insight on that?
@@awesomeone2979 You've said in every reply. So if that's how you feel about it then why haven't you removed yourself from this "horrible" world? Don't need to wait around for someone to murder you.
@@jamesb.9155 Too bad the Grannies are behind bars! Now you cannot build up your own pensioner' s gang with them, ridin' the freeway with your wheelchairs, and kicking stranger's legs with your crochet on a Saturday noon!
Leslie didn't Actually kill anyone. She stabbed one of the victims after they were dead. She was suppose to be released back in the 70s. She was on bail for a while and working a secretary but they made her have a 2nd trial. They gave her 7 years to life on 3 charges to run concurrent. She ready had time served . But as you know she never was released.
good grief! I was a very young child in a working middle class family in the southern California area. We felt safe being raised with our parents close by us but none the less terrified of Charlie and his followers. i remember it as if it happened yesterday.
In 67 when he was let out b4 the murders it was in SF ❤️ Haight Ashbury area. I would go there every Sunday for roller derby. My mom ALWAZ told me to watch out for 'weird' people. Esp guys. I was 13 so I thought I knew all. Now I know why my mom was scared
I'm having a bad day today. Got into an argument with a customer. I could've handled it better and regret my actions. But watching this documentary makes me feel better because at least I'm not a FUCKING MURDERER. 😆
Charles Manson went into jail in the 1950s in a very repressed culture and got out in the '60s, into a culture breaking out of all those rules. So he went from being a '50s greaser small-time criminal punk to being released in a new world of available, vulnerable girls who he could enslave, with the assistance of the drugs which were now all over the place. He could never have built his "family" and ordered them to do horrific crimes 10 years earlier. It's an unforeseeable development contingent on much larger forces than just Manson the conniving maniac.
Hebneh what an accurate description of the social climate of the 50s and 60s. Very astute for a young person who didn't live during that time like I did.
I went to school with Jeff Guinn. Very nice, smart guy. We are Air Force brats...he was a grade ahead of me. Sat next to him on the school bus for one whole year.
Indeed. A horse head. Very well said. My mother once knew a guy, so charming, he said in such a case:' If you want to do her something nice, she'll cut your thing off, right away...'
The fact o the matter is, there are at least 100,000 people in California who have been released from prison but are much more dangerous than these two women.
And that's a truth many people don't want to hear. What's kept these women in prison to date is the notoriety of the crimes themselves. If the Tate/Labianca murders occurred today, they'd be in the national news cycle for a day or two, then gone.
I'd rather see them for away in prison. They are evil and should never be released. All the families who have had to suffer for the rest of their live.
It’s scary how normal these women look in these interviews . If you didn’t know the truth you probably would never even suspect they were brutal killers
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@@lindalee5871 Amen! I was just going into high school when the trial started in 1970, and I thought the same thing. Even though I was younger (Generation X), I actually felt older than these girls, with their silly, retarded antics at the trial. In fact, most of my peers thought that whole Haight-Ashbury, freelove bus scene attracted every lunatic under 25 in the United States. The unwashed, scruffy little psychopath with the bad teeth and 3rd-grade education could never, in any universe, be mistaken for the "Messiah". If he had come trawling for young "flowers" with his cliché guitar and cheesy poetry at my high school, he would have been laughed and mocked right out the school gates. Even as children, we were far more precocious than Krenwinkel's wide-eyed, puerile generation.
this is why the army wants young people,,young minds are easy to convince,,to teach what they want,,eventually they grow out of it,,,charlie made killers,,he new what he was doing,none of them will ever get paroled,,thank god
I think you are correct that Manson took advantage of the young mind and perhaps this might also be somewhat true about the military. However, you would also have to consider that younger people are more easily available and more than likely to be fit enough to handle the physical demands that the military might require.
ya,,thats true,,i just cant believe how long they go on believing they did nothing wrong,,squeeky and a few other followers still believe in manson to this day..they are all dangerous,,even today..,,i wonder if they wonder why there was no revolution?plus these ladies and guy who are all in jail,,,are going to die there,,no one will get paroled,,but they believe,,,unreal,,they are sure a crazy bunch,,,,eh,,,thanks
Manson said that the sixties were like kids to him because he was so ahead of his time... Manson seems like a nut but i believe thats all an act he is very intelligent
People who did not grow up from 1967-1969 have probably heard of this, but did not understand the culture, politics and pressure of the time. I was in my teens then, and was lured also by the pressures and temptations of the period. For roughly two years this lifestyle was powerful and influential. But one that offers no responsibility, values, morals or stability, was doomed to failure. The drug culture, rebellion, Tate-LaBianca murders, Kent State, and whole lack of family unity, integrity, responsibility, and morality quickly brought it to an end. I was part of it, but never left my family, committed murder, dropped out of school or shirked responsibility for my future. While it is true the family circumstances of Manson's followers made many of them search for love and acceptance, they deserve no sympathy for their crimes and deserve to rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
Good observations. I wasn't there (still a kid at the time and not American), and though I too dabbled in the hippy philosophies and basically rejected my family upbringing for a number of years, I'll readily admit that I cannot grasp the actual realities and influences faced by young American adults in the late 1960s. So I will never criticise any of it. Unfortunately, opportunists like Manson fed on the lack of family unity, integrity, etc. that you described. Nevertheless, lines were crossed that revealed a lack of humanity in the individuals involved, and no show of remorse can hope to justify any of them ever enjoying a day of freedom in the sunshine again.
@Julia A Kent State was part of the whole series of rebellion, if you couldn't figure it out. I made that clear. It started as a peaceful protest and got out of hand.
@Julia A I don't know why you feel you have to lecture me. I was opposed to the war also and basically agree with you. My only point of opposition is that it was not Nixon who escalated the war, it was LBJ. And he did so to a monstrous degree. So much so that the anti-war spirit grew tremendously and he chose not to run for reelection. It was Nixon who campaigned for an end. In 1969 he began withdrawing troops and it did indeed come to an end during his administration.
@@rhondabitler2461 Sharon had the sweetest voice. Did you ever hear her speak Italian or French? It was like listening to a stream in the middle of a forest--soothing and tranquil.
I grew up in a middle class family. I have and vulnerabilities. I was weak too and open to beliefs. but murdering in such brutal extent take some extra length of evil. They were not influenced by manson, they were grouped by their evilness
It’s really sad they threw their lives away and did wrong and ended up rotting in prison. They could have become doctors or anything else, they lost the freedom to live freely, to live a happy life. All because one psycho told them to do evil deeds.
In reality, they were delinquents before joining Manson and had prior spells in prison for various misdemeanours. Manson took advantage of the weaknesses in their characters, yes, but nothing in their respective personal records suggests that they could/would have lived a productive life in more regular circumstances. Krenwinkel was described as a rebellious drunk, drug-addled miscreant by those who knew her in her teenage years in her hometown. To do deeds of such a horribly evil nature cannot be ascribed only to manipulation by a sick & twisted fucko. Manson could have picked others in his cult that were even closer to him but he knew which were the heartless individuals who'd follow his commands to murder without hesitation. Certain people have an innate capacity for cruelty to other living beings and here we have a few of them, brought together by circumstance and a very sick manipulative person. But we have to remember, right from the beginning these were not "good people turned bad" by circumstances beyond their control. They were (are?) simply bad persons at heart - people who chanted, laughed and sang vile songs to the media after their arrests. No, they deserve no sympathy for spending their lives in jail.
It harkens back the Nazis. A few truly evil people managed to manipulate, and coerce a nation into doing unspeakable acts of terror. Afterwards they stated, "it wasn't me, it was them, THEY made me do it" lie. For some people then, they could NEVER be swayed. Same as now.
I don’t see their explaining how they got enmeshed in that world as making excuses for their behavior. I think they are just trying to provide context. Everyone wants to know how this happened, but no one wants to accept the answer, because “regular people” doing heinous things is terrifying. This kind of pathology happens by degrees, and I think it’s far easier to get there than people want to believe. And remember these were essentially kids, so these terrible decisions probably didn’t even seem to hold consequences or feel real.
LRA you really are correct. It happens over time and one belief is then layered on another and then your hooked. It is a very easy, subtle and sneaky process.
Poor Sharon Tate begged for the life of her unborn child and they savagely stabbed her to death! No way to forgive for that! They all need to stay in prison til they die!! Sharons son, who was named Paul posthumously, would be 50 this year! Same age as my husband is now!
Charlie and the Family did not move directly from Haight Ashbury to Spahn Ranch. They moved from Haight Ashbury to LA and the first place they lived was in a condemned house in Topanga Canyon. Then a couple of the girls were hitchhiking and were picked up by Dennis Wilson who took them to his house and left to go to the recording studio. When he came back Charlie and the rest of the Family had moved in. This worked out until it didn’t. When they got kicked out of Dennis’ house then they moved to Spahn Ranch
4:24 he F's real good? The man was gutter butt and had absolutely no couth or class at all. Just the way he talks, you can tell he's totally 'off' and people with a critical mind and a sense of true morality would dismiss him as such. Anyone who admired or was influenced by him was on his level frequency.
Where is Part 3 of this news story. I couldn't find the continuation of it. Notice how nobody said anything about the victims or what they did to them. No decency and not an ounce of remorse. Sad......very sad.
Maybe she was normal. Sharon and others paid with their lives. Likewise!!! 50 years later, hope she rots behind bars like the victims are rotting in grave!!!
LSD trips were my favorite drug of choice back in the day and not once did it ever cross my mind to hurt anybody. You still have control, your freedom to choose is not taken away from you. They could have run or even walked away at any time...Spahn ranch was not a prison, they chose to stay and follow a lunatic.
I agree with you on all your points but they took 100s of trips and that really will scramble a persons mind. I'm not the personality type to take lsd, even though I did a few times, but it messed me up.
What about the victims' families - when do they come up for parole? The victims lost their lives - you lose your freedom. That's how things work. Be lucky the death penalty was changed to life in prison!
The law changed the death penalty from death to live for the Manson family members because they killed child molestation people and gay people in Los Angeles they are American hero s
I downloaded an arbitration and negotiation course and the way Manson used to speak to his followers has everything to do with some stuff I'm studying now
I remember a time, in Venice Beach, CA where i was homeless and dissociated, and a man came up to me and picked me up from the beach during a Hari Chrishna give-away (?) of food. Totally happens, predators seek the vulnerable young homeless.
I went to a few Krishna Consciousness dinners. What can I say, it was my introduction to Indian food, it wasn't as common in the South back then. They also introduced me to Hindu literature, although I've been told since that other Hindus have issues with their translations. I wasn't vulnerable or homeless, just a college student. I got intrigued by them because I was in ROTC and they would occasionally try to convert those of us who were willing to talk to them (in those we were pretty obvious even when we weren't in uniform from our haircuts and military bearing) to pacifism (and vegetarianism), and they did have some interesting philosophical arguments. They seemed mostly harmless, but still a little creepy. I'd be extremely surprised if any of them ever murdered anyone, though.
@@carolgladfelder272 500k Iraqi's and 6000 us soldiers are now dead. Recently released parts regarding Afghanistan shows there was no plan and no progress. Just 5 trillion dollars wasted on mass murder
@@carolgladfelder272 I cannot understand the way you think. Because these are murderer too, yu want to release more murderer? Isn't it bad enough these murderer are still free? And did the thread opener declare anywhere she loves these two m.orons?
subsamadhi U speak words of a total fool. Like u can see beyond this world. U are obviously an arrogant 'thinks he knows all ' atheist or agnostic. U speak that which u have no proof of not. I guess u grew up either believing the words of know it all foolish dumbasses or u just simply believe that all inhabitants and all of the earth formed all by itself. I can even hear ur response... 'I don't Know nor do I give a fuck u delusional fuck. U choose not to believe so to be relieved of conscious. Either way . I choose to believe. I don't listen to words of foolish people like u. God help your lost soul.
johnnyplatis Oh I know what your insinuating. And no none of us can. We are to live by faith. Not by sight. U choose to not believe and that's your choice. I simply choose to believe. Something or some higher force created this earth that all humans inhabit. It wasn't man made. I don't know if there is a living God. But if there is a God. I want him to know I love him. And thank him for his son Jesus. Call me delusional. But u have no way of proving that he doesn't exist. So u can't talk either.
It's sad that people assumed that only the most eccentric or "crazy" followed Manson. Look around your own world, there's teens living in bad homes with abuse, kids dreaming of a bigger world, kids who just want to break free of it all. So many reasons that a young person would fall for this guy's story. If I reflect on my own childhood, if some attractive man had asked me to run away to California, I would have quickly left my home of addict parents. And that's the truth, as I sit here grown up with a career and my own family. Would I go today? Never. But would the 15 year old me who went to bed terrified every night? Maybe she would have believed in something bigger. I think what's scariest is our inability to fix this. People like Manson, we don't have therapy or surgery or anything other than a cage. We know there's a problem but we have no idea how to fix it.
Charly allways blamed the System for becoming, who he then was. That excuses nothing, but i believe, thats one of the few things he said, that wasnt total brain crap.
Jude Bigelow truth is there are two California’s the crazy side around la and San Francisco but there is a huge conservative side that is against all this crap but the city’s control so much and the conservatives are always trying to bring balance
Nobody does. She’s merely using what she’d been taught over the years and seems to have found it in Manson. Look at it this way. How is it that so many people give money to televangelists and believe they are spokespeople for Christ? Or were willing to follow Jim Jones or David Koresh? Or followed Hitler?
It was a money making machine feeding on itself. I was at Haight and Ashbury during 1967. It was a bunch of shops making money off the people who stood around. People came from all over the country hoping for a new life. Some begged for money to eat. 21 year old white women telling me to have a heart when I wouldn't give them what I didn't have. It was exploitation on high. The rock band musicians were from middle and upper class families. Grace Slick came from a wealthy family. The Doors were from wealthy families. Together with Bill Graham and the local bar owners they made a fortune. All the dope did was slow you down and maybe make you stop pursuing your goals. Alcohol does the same thing. It was a time when our leaders couldn't lead and gave up and allowed the counter culture to try some form of governing that wouldn't work.
I got a similar same vibe from the East Village. Mostly junkies and dead enders, then by the 90s St. Mark's was just a tourist trap for middle-class subculture kids looking to go slumming. It wasn't all corrupt, though, and a lot of the people who created both scenes weren't in it to exploit anyone, they were trying to create something real. I think Marty Balin and Jerry Garcia mostly wanted to create beautiful music, and a scene where it could flourish and be appreciated, and they did, for a while. Sure they made money, but musicians have to eat. Same with the later NY scene - Warhol was a genuine artist, and Hilly Kristal never got rich, he just wanted to have a club where interesting musicians could have a venue. It's not their fault that the suits eventually figured out how to package and monetize the scenes they created. Also, I think the Doors were mostly from middle-class families. Morrison's father was a Rear Admiral in the US Navy, which is a comfortable living but hardly what I'd call wealthy - these days it's very low six figures, less than what most of my law school classmates are making. Krieger's father was an engineer, Densmore went to public high school, Manzarek enlisted in the Army, again, all comfortably middle class, but none of those sound like wealthy backgrounds.
They are not suggesting that the 'daddy issues' alone are what led to them committing murder. It's more like trying to 'connect the dots', to find out what led them down that path.
Carol Gladfelder but horrific men can slaughter the soul. Some people are too weak to rebuild it (like Manson's flock) and some are strong enough to fight for it
Squeeky is still just as crazy as she was then. Leslie would have been let go years ago had she not been involved with that particular crime. Any other murderer and she would have been freed 30 years ago.
They were in their late teens but very immature, vacious , disconnected from their families and themselves. The killers were all.anti social, drug involved, unstable before meeting Mason.
These girls did not have a direction. That is why they were so vulnerable. Also, being a weirdo was now cool. Whereas people used to aspire to be successful and morally good, society had changed and now those without plans and direction could live "differently". 20 years prior to to this Manson could not have done this
Charles Manson is a reason why violent offenders should never be given the opportunity to sweet talk their way out of convictions and harsh sentences for their crimes. An individual who commits three or more felony offenses should be imprisoned for life without parole. If Manson had been given an appropriate sentence on his first offense, he would not have had the opportunity to put together his 'family,' and commit his atrocities. This applies to other violent offenders as well.
@Majowh , as soon as he was let out of prison, women were being found strangled along I-5 in California with a thong type rope that was the same as the ones found in a box in his desert buggy. That fucker was psyco.
I can understand how a nineteen-year-old woman may be influenced by thirty-something-year-old man. But not to the point of committing murder. Good grief.
And Manson looked like a deranged lunatic, I don't see how they weren't put off by his rough looks. Back then, if you were a goody goody like me and my friends, anyone that looked biker-ish wasn't to be trusted.
The people that killed , are so sorry now .The question is if they did not get caught, would they have had a revelation and confessed and would they be sorry ?
I had a horrible childhood.....but I didn't start using drugs, drinking or smoking . I knew that once you start using drugs ...you lose control of your life. The drugs take control and the predators are waiting to take control too. I watched it happen to others. Why would I want someone to control my life after years of childhood abuse and sadistic control. Maybe these kids had spoiled childhoods....I don't know. But I do believe something....People don't change. Their Souls are the same. What they were as kids ..they are still that kid as an adult.... They are just better at hiding what they truly are. I would never want to live near any of these killers. All of them seem to blame the killings on each other or the drugs. They don't take personal responsibility for their actions. Atkins in an interview with Diane Sawyer blamed Tex....saying he did all the killings.She admitted to stabbing Rosemary what ? 16 times in the back .... But she said she thought Tex had already killed her with the sword...yeah , you bet.
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I had a horrible childhood but I did not kill anyone, hit my kids or used excuses to be a psychopaths. You made your choices.
But did you take copious amounts of acid though?
You might be the great person you think you are but that has nothing to do with anyone else. You're not an example, neither was Manson. The murderers weren't examples for anyone either. It's just a bunch of screwed up people just like the thousands of church goers that cheat on their husbands and wives every day. Just like the politicians that steal money. No person is better than another. The BIBLE tells you that.
AGAIN, as previous "Common-Sense" reply: Did you take copious amounts of acid though?
it take MANY people10 YEARS to finally feel "normal" again after taking as much Acid, Hallucinogenics as these people did.
TRY ACID! With the WRONG people u could do ANYTHING, its like a "nightmare state" you DONT even have control most the time, you just "go with the story" of whatever is playing out, but its REAL! We watched the kindest most friendly best friend in Highschool talk to the devil for 6 HOURS! it was a camp fire, lol.
SADLY L ES;IE VANHOUTEN SAID SHE WAS LOOKING FOR OMETHUJNG MORE OUT OF LIFE, HER MIDDLE CLASS LIFE WAS NIT WNUFF. I THINK HER ABORTION AND BURIAL OF DEAD BABY HAD A HORRIFIC EFFECT UPON HER THINKING.............
@@ogmagicman546a lot of people took a lot of acid and killed no one. Acid doesn't make you kill people. These were defective people already.
I still remember these women after their arrest, smirking and singing in the police station. I don't care if they've become saints. They should never be released from jail.
They are sorry now .The question is if they did not get caught , would they have confessed and would they still be sorry ?
Agree with you, they r so contrite now, too bad now, tough for them doing such horrific crimes, rot in prison
Agreed. They will die in prison, where they belong
But you’re fine with Newsome releasing not one but SIX different level 3 child predators out on parole in just the last 4 months? Five of which have killed a child during the course of their crime- and the last one wasn’t from lack of trying, he was happened to survive after the guy smashed his head with a rock, strangled him and then threw him out in the middle of the dessert, buried him under a bunch of debris, shrubbery, sand and rocks- you’re fine with THAT but you’re worried about two elderly women who haven’t had any violent interactions in jail the whole almost 60 years they’ve been imprisoned and one who only participated in one of these murdered and the other perpetrators admit that she wasn’t the one who murdered anyone and only stabbed the victim after she was dead and under duress? Lol it’s ridiculous.
Maybe you can make a case for Pat staying in but Leslie Van Houston should’ve BEEN OUT.. and should’ve been out since the 80s. I think 25-30 years would’ve been sufficient punishment for stabbing an already dead person and for her involvement if you’re fine with the above criminals being released. One of which already reoffended last month by the way after only being out on parole less then 3 months and in prison for over 20 years prior. But you feel safer with him in the community then these two lol crazy
Amen! Their acts were absolutely sickening and despicable
They can blame the drugs all they want. I knew many people growing up who did drugs & not one of them went on a killing spree.
U sure
its not just the use of drugs its people using the drugs to control you and convince you your doing right. they same way a drunk person is more likely to try other drugs because they are more open and careless
Lubbylove89 They were brainwashed.
ophiecat so they say.i highly doubt it.
@@renatawarec Have you looked into the facts--they spell it out in this video. These people believed he was God or a son of God. Manson deliberately chose women who had "daddy issues," the way a pimp does. He fed them LSD day after day, along with meth, to make them into the violent clones he wanted. These are indeed mind-altering drugs, and there's a reason they are a felony offense. He isolated young girls and intimidated them with subtle threats of violence if that didn't work. They were in love with him, and they thought he was a Messiah who would save them. He used passages from the Bible to underscore this, and yes, God asked people to kill, even their own innocent children for him, not that I believe in the Old Testament.
Those women are murderers. What they did to to Sharon Tate/her unborn baby and others deserve no mercy ! They need to die in prison.
The actual murders of Sharon Tate were Charles Tex Watson with help from Susan Atkins.
Susan Atkins died a few years ago,
Star Blazers they were all involved...
Star Blazers LVH knew what happened at Cielo Dr. and ASKED to go along the next night.
Leslie was not involved in Sharon tate's murder
I dont hear any remorse in these testimonies...sad
Was involved in 60's hippy movement. Did a lot of LSD but can't imagine getting in with this evil group. These women.and Manson were drawn to each other because of their psychopathy.
They took the lead from the US government which was murdering brown skinned people as fast as they could.
So everyone who is involved in a group is a psychopath? Cool, you’ve really solved IT!
IHIKML everyone involved in a group that kills people is.
@Julia A I agree
Dexter Haven That would prove how weak men can be. I can only imagine how nasty sex would have been with any of these sick drug induced weirdos. Surprised the whole lot of them probably had every std known! Eww
My father had Scizophrenia, my mother OCD and rage, I married a man with ASPD, for 7 yrs. I know more then most about gaslighting and manipulation. A judge labelled me under the influence of my ex and an endangerment to myself. My ex messed me up so bad I became Catatonic and Isolated myself for 4 years. I was diagnosed with DDD and PTSD.
I know for a fact if my ex tried to convince me to kill someone, I would tell him to get bent. No, is a sentence. He would have to kill me because I would never. The four years isolating were spent going through a thousand emotions. None more than guilt and shame. If the woman were innocent or if I was one of them, I wouldnt allow myself a parole hearing. How many did they have? I wouldnt blame the manipulation and trust me I was just as high and just as lied to. My ex hid my belongings on me while I searched endlessly.He tortured me in so many ways and when I cried to him that I was going crazy and he said nothing. Still when he asked me to robb something, I said no, knowing the hell I would experience. Our Brain= our choice.
damn.sorry.read the tao of jeet kune do or any kind of bruce lee philosophy.take care
You have interesting videos
@Julia A Do you want to protect these subhumans with your statement? You disgust me!
Hope ur okay now or in a better space 🙏
Exactly there is a difference between wat is right and wrong, and all these people chose to do horrifying crimes which were so wrong & unforgivable & for them to think that they deserve to be forgiven & that they sud be allowed parole, after they decided to kill people not just once but after that as well, they did not think about wat the victims ordeals but they think they sud be given a 2nd chance, they do not deserve it, no way!!!!!
These women don't have one bad word to say about him they are clearly still in love in some way which is pretty disgusting considering what they did.
Emer_Gency Have you seen his son’s interview ? He had nothing bad to say about his memories of him .
@@kimberlymerket1610 are you talking about Michael brunner?
Renata Warec I’m not sure. I saw an interview on TH-cam. It said he was CM’s son. I didn’t catch his name .
Charlie was love.
@@kimberlymerket1610 His son never slaughtered innocent people to please him.
These crazy women knew at their ages at the time that taking a life is just wrong PERIOD, no excuses PERIOD
you weren't there, so you don't know their mind set when they did it!!
Ya they were Out of their FUCKING minds, Professor of Psychology that you are
dadadruma exactly, they were out of their minds
There is no wrong. Using electricity is wrong and yet you're still alive
Imperium Europa And just how do you know all of this? Please let me know.
Commit gruesome crimes and blame it on drugs and your disturbed childhood! This is a sick world!
Not sick. Just chickenshit
v. gopalakrishnan the worst part is people actually saying that they served there time and need to be free her lawyer was her husband it’s just all sick
@@rachelcrawford1977 Hopefully the remainder of the Manson murder family will join Charlie & Susan real soon - in death
@@jamesmichael7991 And in hell.
@@rachelcrawford1977 No, Rachel. Some people can defend themselves quite well. No harm in that. And then, wouldn't you want to be free after those long years? You are being rash to say you could handle that sentence, knowing that but for drugs, a good conscience, and a good sense of the people you're getting involved with, you would have never allowed yourself to have horrors happening to others because of you.
Patricia Krenwinkel grew up in my hometown. She was an unwashed, attention seeking, drunk, druggie long before meeting Manson. Not because she was an unloved, mistreated, misunderstood child; she chose to be the person that she was. After committing the murders she ran back home to try and avoid getting caught. It didn’t work, she was arrested here. These murdering women are making excuses for their OWN choices!
Cassie I always thought some of those women were like Patricia. Manson knew this and that's part of why he chose them. They already had something twisted or wrong about them going in. You have to have a little of the capacity of evil to do those kinds of murderous or criminal acts in the 1st place. Alot of the other family members went on to live criminal lives after Manson was jailed and the family broke up. And one of the Manson girls respected what Patricia did and said if Manson chose her, she would have killed as well
lol the women but Linda kadabian were not right
She was just denied parole again.
Interesting, do you have any kind of mention of her in your home town.
@@annsumner8570 Yes, they have walking tours of the Krenwinkel house and publicity stills all over the welcome center.
The people Manson seemed to target were weak, submissive, had low self esteem, and were looking for something greater than themselves, boy did they follow the wrong path. Something also needs to be said about personal responsibility, can't blame others for your bad choices.
he learnt those 'skills' to manipulate from his affiliation with Scientology
He chose people that were pure evil like him. Like calls to like
@@Summer_Beneath_The_Trees Not sure he studied Scientology alot in prison before he got out in 67. One of the first things he did when he got out was to go to a Scientology temple and said he was "clear", whatever that mumble jumble means, but the church denied him.
I doubt that any of those young people would've ever murdered anybody if they hadn't run into Manson. That sociopath ruined a lot of peoples lives.
I highly recommend Tim Gunn's books on Manson and Jim Jones cult leader of the People's Temple. He lays it out how sociopaths get their followers to do what they want them to do.
I was in a 6 year "relationship" with a covert narcissists and I was also manipulated very subtly and below the radar. Narcissists and sociopaths are master manipulators.
He pick dumb, deliquent, and easy too
U cant blame a bad childhood on committing murder
They had seeds of evil deep inside of them and he touched thier souls and made it grow
We all have seeds of evil inside us. However we also all have a choice as to how much to let them grow and blossom.
It is very possible he brought it out of them!
I I was a sixties flower child, so I know the scene. But there is no excuse, not drugs, not gurus, to justify such brutal and horrific murders. These people destroyed lives, and the consequences will go on for years. When will these people stop excusing themselves, and start saying sorry to the families they tore to pieces, even their own?
They learned from the US government
Madalena- ABSOLUTELY
@@jacobjorgenson9285 Stop blaming others for their fuckup. I would have been HONORED to put the lethal injection in their arm ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
@@jamesmichael7991 the usa culture was slavery and murder brown people, ofcauce is going to become the culture as we see all to clearly today with mass shooting every day
@@jacobjorgenson9285 You are either a native of some other country or too young to remember when the murders happened - don't blame this country. The nation didn't murder the victims - the Manson family did
Maybe Sharon, Roman and their unborn baby also wanted to live their lives
Probably I thought the same thing
Roman Polanski raped a 15 year old and fled to France. He was never tried.
I'M THE MAN you got issues I’ll pray for you!
@@awesomeone2979 Your trolling is getting boring. YAWN. 😴
@@awesomeone2979 so then i hope you should have been lucky. You can release yourself now, why don't you do it now?
None of them showed any remorse for the murders of those 5 people. They slaughtered them without mercy. They should be shown no mercy either. They blame Manson for their acts of brutality. I hope they are never released from prison.
Sign those petitions
I certainly do.
Me too. Every time.
I cannot bring those victims back, and I cannot stop the pain in the parent's, siblings, children, husband, hearts.
I cannot go back 53 summers and make all their lifes whole again. God knows I wished I could.
I only can be a small piece in that wall, which holds them back in their prison cells. They have it WAY too good there. But at least they shall never be free again.
I absolutely love getting older ( save for parts giving out). You increase the speed of picking up on red flags of a manipulator.
I often wonder how well boot camp would work on middle-aged people, if they could survive the PT. Probably not very well.
True! Wanna grab a drink?
Java it's true what Bernard shaw said! It's a shame that youth is wasted on the young! Once u gain wisdom ur body goes!
True
A year before the LA murders Patricia and Leslie (and a few others) were in jail in Ukiah, Mendocino County, California. My mother was a new Matron (CO) at the Jail. They were not the easiest to deal with.
Interesting. Did she speak of any details, like back talk, violence?
Ya they have a weird reptile vibe
Yup probably historionic or boarderline personality disorder. They are the worst but the most vulnerable to someone like Charlie
What were they like?
@ Finding by W.D.F. Interesting!
They all need to stay in prison for the rest of their lives. Period.
kinda looks like that's whats going to happen. krenwinkel just got denied her 14th parole hearing. 14 is the charm i guess. she just doesnt get it. you would think after trying a couple times she would throw in the towel. even if they get a chance at parole all the governors of california past and present has blocked it. bruce davis his was just blocked by the now governor. manson himself will come up again when he's 94. he likely won't see 94. few of us in this world make it to that age.
mike dakota right you are,hes dead now.thank God
Watching them grow old in prison is very satisfying!
yes they do, but the degree to which they've re-humanized themselves is quite remarkable.
@@dzanierGood point.
A lot of other people went through the same indoctrination these people did, but they ran like hell from Charlie and murder.
Which indocrination did you mean. I think all the girls were teens from broken or disintergrating family back grounds. So likly to them at the time there was no where to run to. Even the haight Ashbury scene was breaking up or in turmoil. So they couldn't run there. I can not see any reason why they would run away up till the time Manson shot Bernard Crowe in the chest on 1969 July 1st. even then how many of those girls were told those events. So likly events were sex, orgies and LSD right up to 1969 July 31st when the music teacher named Gary Hinman was stabbed to death. Even then they were not all involed and why should they have run away then? With hind sight yes that would have been a good time to clear out. But they did not have that post trail hind sight and most likly had no knowledge of the murders being done by some. There were likly over fifty prople staying on the ranch at the time. So likely very easy to have not been aware of some of the heiniouse events up till August and the subsequent arrests.
Leslie Van Houten was actually my Grandpa’s Sister’s Best Friend in Highschool, and apparently they were thinking of bringing her into their family, but they chose not to. She eventually ran off and was arrested.
She was the witch killer she killed child molestation people and gay people
Riiiiiight.
She is your Great Aunt then.
Leslie Van Houten was definitely the sexiest out of the 3 main Manson girls especially in early 1977 she was even more desirable
That’s so sad that they chose not to bring her in because she probably would’ve been a perfectly normal person had she not met Manson
This is a sad story for everyone involved.
Especially the dead one's.
Patricia Krinwinkle had such low self esteem. I feel a little sorry for Pat and Leslie. Squeaky Fromme and Susan Adkins are worse than Manson himself.
Squeaky is downright scary, looking back now. She's like the Heydrich to Manson's Hitler.
I don't feel sorry for any of them.,
I actually think lvh is right up there.if your roommates killed people &told you how they did it,most normal people would get the hell out,go to the police,tell someone ,instead lvh begged to go on the next kill.and she said she wasn't even attracted to manson.thats why she needs to die in prison
Linda was being threatened all the time. Thank God she talked
Squeaky is crazy as hell, but the worst of the bunch was Susan and Tex. I feel no sympathy for anyone involved. However, I do think the less evil of the bunch was Leslie.
"I think that when my father left...." Oh ffs..., I was on my own at 15 and NEVER thought I should go slaughter people because "my father left"...., he left when I was 7 for God's sake.... Never sliced up innocent people, nor have I had a desire to do that because "my father left".... GAWD.
@Julia A killers lie,you cant believe what a killer lies about.
@@renatawarec Exactly She is a killer!!! If it wasn't Manson it would have been someone else....
Thank you!
Nor did you come into contact with Charlie Manson. And thank goodness for that.
I know right! I was kicked out of home at 15. Worked full time and got a room as a border. Life goes on.
I don't understand what in the hell they seen in this demon?
Chicks hate nice guys. They’re boring.they
want a murderer who they can make into a nice guy and then throw him away.
Mike Castellon what? get a grip
@@mikecastellon4545
Lol.
You should not try always to take your wh*re home. Try it with normal women. I do not know women or girls which are in such a need that they would take such a dirty pos. No way!
I grew up in that period of time and never did the 'context of the time' put me into that kind of horrible trouble...thank God! My mind wouldn't have even conceived of doing those kinds of things. I remember how horrified I was to hear it all in the news at that time. I was in Junior High School. Everyone was just shocked! When you read about what Krenwinkel did it is so horrifying I couldn't believe anyone could have that sort of mind set! Why would she be looking to get out of prison?
As I've said above, I don't think the hippie scene was at all responsible for Manson, but it was responsible for the naivete and vulnerability that allowed him to thrive in it. The flip side of "Peace and love" and "Don't trust anyone over 30" was the idea that young, hip people making the right noises couldn't be bad. Between Manson and Altamont and a few other things that naivete bit the hippies in the ass pretty hard around 1969.
I think she finally gave up trying to get parole. They kept making her repeat what she did.
I was a biker 🇬🇧, and the hippies had the prittier chicks and they could spell corecklie 🙁,?,
@@brucetucker4847 the hippies were far out of it 🥴, l was a biker, they were screwing and smoking 🤫and ban the bum 😂, while we got our dicks burnt trying to shag a hot exhaust pipe 🔥😝!, and they could spell corecklie 🙁?
The hippies were all about "peace and love", til they didn't get their way...
I feel they all had evil in them. I know drugs were involved but they were evil already. Manson just knew how to talk. But they all deserve prison they should stay where they are.
because0011 It can be argued that we all have it in us. This world isn’t black and white and we have all been manipulated at a vulnerable time in our lives. We were just lucky and we didn’t meet him, was on hard core mood altering drugs, when the world was in such a state of flux. I just don’t think we can pass judgement on it. Do they deserve life in prison??? I don’t think so, but with that being said, I’ve not known someone brutally murdered, so I think we should all hesitate in such declarations and thank god that we don’t have to make that choice.
Molly Poorboy lvh begged to go on the kill.nobody was forced
They would have long ago been pushing daisies in the prison grave yard, if the death penalty had not been abolished shortly after they were locked up. They were all murderous devils.
We are all capable of such wickedness. That's just the way humans as a species are.
@@mary-annebrink8578 ~ Exactly... I never understood why they couldn't give them the death penalty again, once it was reinstated in the late 70's.
Any insight on that?
Never let them out! Justice for the victims is most important! Governor please void any parole!
Manson family killed child molestation people and gay people in Los Angeles they are American hero s
Please sign the petitions each time. Thank you!
Well, one just got out
@@scipio8866This was so disappointing to me as I’m sure for many others. I never thought any of them would ever get out!
How many people are "completely self confident?" None of these scenarios are an excuse for murdering other people in the name of "love."
Jaime Morrison right. Exactly correct.
@@awesomeone2979 You've said in every reply. So if that's how you feel about it then why haven't you removed yourself from this "horrible" world? Don't need to wait around for someone to murder you.
All these women still show in love with Charles. They should not set free because they are crazy!
crazy people go to a mental institute
Yes indeed they still talk about him like he was their savior 😲
Love is a madness, so what if they are crazy. We all are.
I'll bet they are 'saner' certainly than many, many of the commenters going off here, sputtering their rage & obscenities onto their own projections.
@@jamesb.9155
Too bad the Grannies are behind bars! Now you cannot build up your own pensioner' s gang with them, ridin' the freeway with your wheelchairs, and kicking stranger's legs with your crochet on a Saturday noon!
Oh Leslie, nothing is your fault. It was your father leaving that made you go to Charlie and kill. Yeah that's it...
That is not what she said. The killings came later. You would be a great candidate for Charlie since you have terrible comprehension skills.
@@mpacino1224 fuck you
@@mpacino1224 that's pretty much what she said.you must not know a whole lot about this to make such a silly comment
Yes, now you understand to core of feminism.
Leslie didn't Actually kill anyone. She stabbed one of the victims after they were dead. She was suppose to be released back in the 70s. She was on bail for a while and working a secretary but they made her have a 2nd trial. They gave her 7 years to life on 3 charges to run concurrent. She ready had time served . But as you know she never was released.
“I was an empty shell of a person” 💔💔 if you go back and watch the interviews she really was.
Leslie was so pretty. It's too bad for her and everyone involved. A tragedy.
I dont feel sorry for them, they made the choice, live with your choices
No sympathy for any of these ferals. They weren't psychotic, they knew what they were doing and that it was wrong.
good grief! I was a very young child in a working middle class family in the southern California area. We felt safe being raised with our parents close by us but none the less terrified of Charlie and his followers. i remember it as if it happened yesterday.
Pixie Parlin I bet everyone was afraid in LA
In 67 when he was let out b4 the murders it was in SF ❤️ Haight Ashbury area. I would go there every Sunday for roller derby. My mom ALWAZ told me to watch out for 'weird' people. Esp guys. I was 13 so I thought I knew all. Now I know why my mom was scared
Manson family members killed child molestation people and gay people in Los Angeles they are American hero s
I'm having a bad day today. Got into an argument with a customer. I could've handled it better and regret my actions. But watching this documentary makes me feel better because at least I'm not a FUCKING MURDERER. 😆
Sure, blame the drugs and not them being weak minded.
Charles Manson went into jail in the 1950s in a very repressed culture and got out in the '60s, into a culture breaking out of all those rules. So he went from being a '50s greaser small-time criminal punk to being released in a new world of available, vulnerable girls who he could enslave, with the assistance of the drugs which were now all over the place. He could never have built his "family" and ordered them to do horrific crimes 10 years earlier. It's an unforeseeable development contingent on much larger forces than just Manson the conniving maniac.
Hebneh what an accurate description of the social climate of the 50s and 60s. Very astute for a young person who didn't live during that time like I did.
@@theresaakins2317 I am not a "young person". I was, in fact, alive during the 1950s and '60s, as you were.
They blame everyone but themselves
Even when they talk you can tell something is up
Yah they are master manipulators
I went to school with Jeff Guinn. Very nice, smart guy. We are Air Force brats...he was a grade ahead of me. Sat next to him on the school bus for one whole year.
I always expect Leslie to say "Hello, I'm Mr. Ed."
hahaha
She does have some big front teeth.
Indeed. A horse head. Very well said.
My mother once knew a guy, so charming, he said in such a case:' If you want to do her something nice, she'll cut your thing off, right away...'
Wil-burrrrr!
Manson ended up spending virtually his whole life locked up ranting and raving but still trying to control.
The fact o the matter is, there are at least 100,000 people in California who have been released from prison but are much more dangerous than these two women.
And that's a truth many people don't want to hear. What's kept these women in prison to date is the notoriety of the crimes themselves. If the Tate/Labianca murders occurred today, they'd be in the national news cycle for a day or two, then gone.
Should have carried out the original sentence!!!
I knew a writer who did that.
I'd rather see them for away in prison. They are evil and should never be released. All the families who have had to suffer for the rest of their live.
It’s scary how normal these women look in these interviews . If you didn’t know the truth you probably would never even suspect they were brutal killers
lololol
How dare she compare Manson to Christ!? She clearly never knew Jesus Christ or she’d be a free woman today.
If she knew Jesus Christ she would have died around 2000 years ago, so she wouldn't be a free woman today 👍
Yup 👍!
Christ isn't a get out of jail free card you still have to pay your price on this earth for your wrongs.
How the hell could they believe he was Jesus Christ I too was a broken child but killing people is not going to fix that
Right. We were ALL broken kids from WW2/Depression era parents. NO EXCUSES for being murderers!
How could they have so readily slept with this uneducated hillbilly trash...with no talent.....he must have stunk...
Hello Anita, I'm sure that you are probably A-OK, but I would like to suggest a book to you called "Bad Childhood Good Life" by Laura Schlesinger. Helped me like no other, short book, paid about 5 bucks on thriftbooks.com. 💚
linda lee I agree, they all surely stunk! They lived lower than pigs.
@@lindalee5871 Amen! I was just going into high school when the trial started in 1970, and I thought the same thing. Even though I was younger (Generation X), I actually felt older than these girls, with their silly, retarded antics at the trial. In fact, most of my peers thought that whole Haight-Ashbury, freelove bus scene attracted every lunatic under 25 in the United States. The unwashed, scruffy little psychopath with the bad teeth and 3rd-grade education could never, in any universe, be mistaken for the "Messiah". If he had come trawling for young "flowers" with his cliché guitar and cheesy poetry at my high school, he would have been laughed and mocked right out the school gates. Even as children, we were far more precocious than Krenwinkel's wide-eyed, puerile generation.
Whatever. If someone says to kill, you walk away and tell them that they need to be put away.
this is why the army wants young people,,young minds are easy to convince,,to teach what they want,,eventually they grow out of it,,,charlie made killers,,he new what he was doing,none of them will ever get paroled,,thank god
I think you are correct that Manson took advantage of the young mind and perhaps this might also be somewhat true about the military. However, you would also have to consider that younger people are more easily available and more than likely to be fit enough to handle the physical demands that the military might require.
ya,,thats true,,i just cant believe how long they go on believing they did nothing wrong,,squeeky and a few other followers still believe in manson to this day..they are all dangerous,,even today..,,i wonder if they wonder why there was no revolution?plus these ladies and guy who are all in jail,,,are going to die there,,no one will get paroled,,but they believe,,,unreal,,they are sure a crazy bunch,,,,eh,,,thanks
Manson said that the sixties were like kids to him because he was so ahead of his time... Manson seems like a nut but i believe thats all an act he is very intelligent
intellectually his act makes him seen crazy, weird, strange, and dumb. it don't help him any
Jack Lavallee *knew, not “new”!!!
People who did not grow up from 1967-1969 have probably heard of this, but did not understand the culture, politics and pressure of the time. I was in my teens then, and was lured also by the pressures and temptations of the period. For roughly two years this lifestyle was powerful and influential. But one that offers no responsibility, values, morals or stability, was doomed to failure. The drug culture, rebellion, Tate-LaBianca murders, Kent State, and whole lack of family unity, integrity, responsibility, and morality quickly brought it to an end.
I was part of it, but never left my family, committed murder, dropped out of school or shirked responsibility for my future. While it is true the family circumstances of Manson's followers made many of them search for love and acceptance, they deserve no sympathy for their crimes and deserve to rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
Good observations. I wasn't there (still a kid at the time and not American), and though I too dabbled in the hippy philosophies and basically rejected my family upbringing for a number of years, I'll readily admit that I cannot grasp the actual realities and influences faced by young American adults in the late 1960s. So I will never criticise any of it. Unfortunately, opportunists like Manson fed on the lack of family unity, integrity, etc. that you described. Nevertheless, lines were crossed that revealed a lack of humanity in the individuals involved, and no show of remorse can hope to justify any of them ever enjoying a day of freedom in the sunshine again.
@Julia A Kent State was part of the whole series of rebellion, if you couldn't figure it out. I made that clear. It started as a peaceful protest and got out of hand.
@Julia A I don't know why you feel you have to lecture me. I was opposed to the war also and basically agree with you. My only point of opposition is that it was not Nixon who escalated the war, it was LBJ. And he did so to a monstrous degree. So much so that the anti-war spirit grew tremendously and he chose not to run for reelection. It was Nixon who campaigned for an end. In 1969 he began withdrawing troops and it did indeed come to an end during his administration.
@Julia A Perhaps, but the buildup was nothing near that which was done in Nam by LBJ.
@@JacoWium very well said Jaco! Your observations are spot on. Very intelligent and interesting post.
Dear Leslie, I am so glad that you are finally free, I wish you all the happiness in the world 🍃🌺🍃
Krenwinkle has an incredibly soothing voice. However, I draw the line at stabbing coffee heiresses.
So did Sharon and Abigail no doubt.
@@rhondabitler2461 Sharon had the sweetest voice. Did you ever hear her speak Italian or French? It was like listening to a stream in the middle of a forest--soothing and tranquil.
@@katemaloney4296 I don't recall hearing her speak French ad Italian but I have heard her voice before.
I grew up in a middle class family. I have and vulnerabilities. I was weak too and open to beliefs. but murdering in such brutal extent take some extra length of evil. They were not influenced by manson, they were grouped by their evilness
You are wrong.
It’s really sad they threw their lives away and did wrong and ended up rotting in prison. They could have become doctors or anything else, they lost the freedom to live freely, to live a happy life. All because one psycho told them to do evil deeds.
Sadly, there are still vulnerable young people like that.
In reality, they were delinquents before joining Manson and had prior spells in prison for various misdemeanours. Manson took advantage of the weaknesses in their characters, yes, but nothing in their respective personal records suggests that they could/would have lived a productive life in more regular circumstances. Krenwinkel was described as a rebellious drunk, drug-addled miscreant by those who knew her in her teenage years in her hometown. To do deeds of such a horribly evil nature cannot be ascribed only to manipulation by a sick & twisted fucko. Manson could have picked others in his cult that were even closer to him but he knew which were the heartless individuals who'd follow his commands to murder without hesitation.
Certain people have an innate capacity for cruelty to other living beings and here we have a few of them, brought together by circumstance and a very sick manipulative person. But we have to remember, right from the beginning these were not "good people turned bad" by circumstances beyond their control. They were (are?) simply bad persons at heart - people who chanted, laughed and sang vile songs to the media after their arrests. No, they deserve no sympathy for spending their lives in jail.
It harkens back the Nazis. A few truly evil people managed to manipulate, and coerce a nation into doing unspeakable acts of terror. Afterwards they stated, "it wasn't me, it was them, THEY made me do it" lie. For some people then, they could NEVER be swayed. Same as now.
All because they did evil deeds. They need to be held accountable for their acts.
@@charlotte87x Likewise
I don’t see their explaining how they got enmeshed in that world as making excuses for their behavior. I think they are just trying to provide context. Everyone wants to know how this happened, but no one wants to accept the answer, because “regular people” doing heinous things is terrifying. This kind of pathology happens by degrees, and I think it’s far easier to get there than people want to believe. And remember these were essentially kids, so these terrible decisions probably didn’t even seem to hold consequences or feel real.
LRA you really are correct. It happens over time and one belief is then layered on another and then your hooked. It is a very easy, subtle and sneaky process.
Yuk... just the thought of doing it with Manson 😖🤢🤢🤢🤢
Exactly he mustve stunk!!! yuk pass the sick bucket....!!!!
So gross...the whole family was stinky and dirty.
Repulsive
@Jack Crouch lmao for some people it's very true
Poor Sharon Tate begged for the life of her unborn child and they savagely stabbed her to death! No way to forgive for that! They all need to stay in prison til they die!! Sharons son, who was named Paul posthumously, would be 50 this year! Same age as my husband is now!
" Breaking away froom the Norm "
I'm 83 yearsof age , and still endeavour to do it.
Fortunately, my music helps me at this.
Charlie and the Family did not move directly from Haight Ashbury to Spahn Ranch. They moved from Haight Ashbury to LA and the first place they lived was in a condemned house in Topanga Canyon. Then a couple of the girls were hitchhiking and were picked up by Dennis Wilson who took them to his house and left to go to the recording studio. When he came back Charlie and the rest of the Family had moved in. This worked out until it didn’t. When they got kicked out of Dennis’ house then they moved to Spahn Ranch
4:24 he F's real good? The man was gutter butt and had absolutely no couth or class at all. Just the way he talks, you can tell he's totally 'off' and people with a critical mind and a sense of true morality would dismiss him as such. Anyone who admired or was influenced by him was on his level frequency.
Vile man
Or wears a swastika on their head
Where is Part 3 of this news story. I couldn't find the continuation of it.
Notice how nobody said anything about the victims or what they did to them. No decency and not an ounce of remorse. Sad......very sad.
Yeah i agree when you have a bad childhood you go seek someone elses approval but it shouldnt be murder🙄💚🏘🎄🌈🎀🎉☔🐒🍟🍇🐛🎂🌻
Przerażające potwory i ten upiorny uśmieszek Leslie Van Houten po prostu nienormalne...
Maybe she was normal. Sharon and others paid with their lives. Likewise!!! 50 years later, hope she rots behind bars like the victims are rotting in grave!!!
LSD trips were my favorite drug of choice back in the day and not once did it ever cross my mind to hurt anybody. You still have control, your freedom to choose is not taken away from you. They could have run or even walked away at any time...Spahn ranch was not a prison, they chose to stay and follow a lunatic.
I agree with you on all your points but they took 100s of trips and that really will scramble a persons mind. I'm not the personality type to take lsd, even though I did a few times, but it messed me up.
When the counter culture movement was meant to be a stage and not define the rest of your life
For some of us, it DID define the rest of our lives.
What about the victims' families - when do they come up for parole? The victims lost their lives - you lose your freedom. That's how things work. Be lucky the death penalty was changed to life in prison!
The law changed the death penalty from death to live for the Manson family members because they killed child molestation people and gay people in Los Angeles they are American hero s
Cliff Booth knows how to deal with them (Once Upon A Time In Hollywood)
Being around manson was a positive change..lol really dont think so
He knew how to bring out the worst in people and infection worse then cancer
Such a creepy era. Look at San Francisco now. Hell on earth.
He was like Christ? What in insult to the Savior!! These people are monsters!
I downloaded an arbitration and negotiation course and the way Manson used to speak to his followers has everything to do with some stuff I'm studying now
I remember a time, in Venice Beach, CA where i was homeless and dissociated, and a man came up to me and picked me up from the beach during a Hari Chrishna give-away (?) of food. Totally happens, predators seek the vulnerable young homeless.
But you didn't viciously murder innocent people.
@@carolgladfelder272 Right, just the thought of it is so creepy.
I went to a few Krishna Consciousness dinners. What can I say, it was my introduction to Indian food, it wasn't as common in the South back then. They also introduced me to Hindu literature, although I've been told since that other Hindus have issues with their translations. I wasn't vulnerable or homeless, just a college student. I got intrigued by them because I was in ROTC and they would occasionally try to convert those of us who were willing to talk to them (in those we were pretty obvious even when we weren't in uniform from our haircuts and military bearing) to pacifism (and vegetarianism), and they did have some interesting philosophical arguments. They seemed mostly harmless, but still a little creepy. I'd be extremely surprised if any of them ever murdered anyone, though.
M’y Mum always told me not to talk to strangers
Astonishing chain of events. Read Helter Skelter. Bugliosi breaks everything down. It's a thick book but it goes by quick.
Kevin Brogan It’s a very interesting book.
Kevin Brogan I couldn't put "Helter" Skelter" down. It was that good.
After reading "Helter Skelter" way back many years ago I bought me a S&W .38 Special.
you can stay in prison, for
the rest of your lives.
Can we lock up Bush JR also? When it comes to getting people murdered
@@jacobjorgenson9285 How about Hillary for what happened with Bengazi? Or Obama's fast & furious debacle that ended with innocent people being killed?
@@carolgladfelder272 500k Iraqi's and 6000 us soldiers are now dead. Recently released parts regarding Afghanistan shows there was no plan and no progress. Just 5 trillion dollars wasted on mass murder
@@carolgladfelder272
I cannot understand the way you think. Because these are murderer too, yu want to release more murderer?
Isn't it bad enough these murderer are still free?
And did the thread opener declare anywhere she loves these two m.orons?
It takes an evil soul to do what they did it wasnt drugs it just helped them do it
Well I wonder if Manson is smiling now that he has died and stood b4 God. I don't think so.
There is no god. He spent nearly 50 years in prison so he got his
subsamadhi U speak words of a total fool. Like u can see beyond this world. U are obviously an arrogant 'thinks he knows all ' atheist or agnostic. U speak that which u have no proof of not. I guess u grew up either believing the words of know it all foolish dumbasses or u just simply believe that all inhabitants and all of the earth formed all by itself. I can even hear ur response... 'I don't Know nor do I give a fuck u delusional fuck. U choose not to believe so to be relieved of conscious. Either way . I choose to believe. I don't listen to words of foolish people like u. God help your lost soul.
@@denisbionichardy8033 can you see beyond this world?
johnnyplatis Oh I know what your insinuating. And no none of us can. We are to live by faith. Not by sight. U choose to not believe and that's your choice. I simply choose to believe. Something or some higher force created this earth that all humans inhabit. It wasn't man made. I don't know if there is a living God. But if there is a God. I want him to know I love him. And thank him for his son Jesus. Call me delusional. But u have no way of proving that he doesn't exist. So u can't talk either.
Denis Bionic Hardy he’s just being logical there’s no space daddy waiting for you ... r u 5? Grow up
It's sad that people assumed that only the most eccentric or "crazy" followed Manson. Look around your own world, there's teens living in bad homes with abuse, kids dreaming of a bigger world, kids who just want to break free of it all. So many reasons that a young person would fall for this guy's story. If I reflect on my own childhood, if some attractive man had asked me to run away to California, I would have quickly left my home of addict parents. And that's the truth, as I sit here grown up with a career and my own family. Would I go today? Never. But would the 15 year old me who went to bed terrified every night? Maybe she would have believed in something bigger.
I think what's scariest is our inability to fix this. People like Manson, we don't have therapy or surgery or anything other than a cage. We know there's a problem but we have no idea how to fix it.
Charly allways blamed the System for becoming, who he then was. That excuses nothing, but i believe, thats one of the few things he said, that wasnt total brain crap.
California hasn't really changed from this time period.
It never will.
Jude Bigelow truth is there are two California’s the crazy side around la and San Francisco but there is a huge conservative side that is against all this crap but the city’s control so much and the conservatives are always trying to bring balance
rachel Crawford thank you
Those evil monsters deserve to be in prison forever!!! Who can ever trust a murderer???? They can be set free and then kill somebody els!?!?!?!
"He was like Christ"? Like she had a clue about what Christ was like.
Truly
Nobody does. She’s merely using what she’d been taught over the years and seems to have found it in Manson.
Look at it this way. How is it that so many people give money to televangelists and believe they are spokespeople for Christ? Or were willing to follow Jim Jones or David Koresh? Or followed Hitler?
@@christystewart4567 Your comment is silly, yet so sad.
It was a money making machine feeding on itself. I was at Haight and Ashbury during 1967. It was a bunch of shops making money off the people who stood around. People came from all over the country hoping for a new life. Some begged for money to eat. 21 year old white women telling me to have a heart when I wouldn't give them what I didn't have. It was exploitation on high. The rock band musicians were from middle and upper class families. Grace Slick came from a wealthy family. The Doors were from wealthy families. Together with Bill Graham and the local bar owners they made a fortune. All the dope did was slow you down and maybe make you stop pursuing your goals. Alcohol does the same thing. It was a time when our leaders couldn't lead and gave up and allowed the counter culture to try some form of governing that wouldn't work.
I got a similar same vibe from the East Village. Mostly junkies and dead enders, then by the 90s St. Mark's was just a tourist trap for middle-class subculture kids looking to go slumming. It wasn't all corrupt, though, and a lot of the people who created both scenes weren't in it to exploit anyone, they were trying to create something real. I think Marty Balin and Jerry Garcia mostly wanted to create beautiful music, and a scene where it could flourish and be appreciated, and they did, for a while. Sure they made money, but musicians have to eat. Same with the later NY scene - Warhol was a genuine artist, and Hilly Kristal never got rich, he just wanted to have a club where interesting musicians could have a venue. It's not their fault that the suits eventually figured out how to package and monetize the scenes they created.
Also, I think the Doors were mostly from middle-class families. Morrison's father was a Rear Admiral in the US Navy, which is a comfortable living but hardly what I'd call wealthy - these days it's very low six figures, less than what most of my law school classmates are making. Krieger's father was an engineer, Densmore went to public high school, Manzarek enlisted in the Army, again, all comfortably middle class, but none of those sound like wealthy backgrounds.
Daddy issues = murder? Huh?
They are not suggesting that the 'daddy issues' alone are what led to them committing murder. It's more like trying to 'connect the dots', to find out what led them down that path.
They would've made better partner/sexual choices. And not sought validation in an isolated group
@@LadyVader33 I had a mean, horrid father. I did go on to make bad choices when choosing men but I didn't go around slaughtering innocent people.
Carol Gladfelder but horrific men can slaughter the soul. Some people are too weak to rebuild it (like Manson's flock) and some are strong enough to fight for it
Squeeky is still just as crazy as she was then. Leslie would have been let go years ago had she not been involved with that particular crime. Any other murderer and she would have been freed 30 years ago.
They were in their late teens but very immature, vacious , disconnected from their families and themselves. The killers were all.anti social, drug involved, unstable before meeting Mason.
They should never get out of prison
These girls did not have a direction. That is why they were so vulnerable. Also, being a weirdo was now cool. Whereas people used to aspire to be successful and morally good, society had changed and now those without plans and direction could live "differently". 20 years prior to to this Manson could not have done this
No, he couldn't have. All the old ways were falling apart and everything was changing very rapidly.
There are some people who have a follower mentality. We see it right now in American politics. We see it in religion as well.
So true, we see it today.
I lived off of Sunset and San Vicente.
They were the true dirty hippies.
in prison he was constantly bothered by ,$cientology.
People, teaching him mind control
Charles Manson is a reason why violent offenders should never be given the opportunity to sweet talk their way out of convictions and harsh sentences for their crimes. An individual who commits three or more felony offenses should be imprisoned for life without parole. If Manson had been given an appropriate sentence on his first offense, he would not have had the opportunity to put together his 'family,' and commit his atrocities. This applies to other violent offenders as well.
@Majowh , as soon as he was let out of prison, women were being found strangled along I-5 in California with a thong type rope that was the same as the ones found in a box in his desert buggy. That fucker was psyco.
@Majowh do u actually believe he was innocent?
I can understand how a nineteen-year-old woman may be influenced by thirty-something-year-old man. But not to the point of committing murder. Good grief.
And Manson looked like a deranged lunatic, I don't see how they weren't put off by his rough looks. Back then, if you were a goody goody like me and my friends, anyone that looked biker-ish wasn't to be trusted.
The people that killed , are so sorry now .The question is if they did not get caught, would they have had a revelation and confessed and would they be sorry ?
Absolutely. They definitely would not.
How can some people live with themselves?
They don't dervers to get out
I had a horrible childhood.....but I didn't start using drugs, drinking or smoking . I knew that once you start using drugs ...you lose control of your life. The drugs take control and the predators are waiting to take control too. I watched it happen to others. Why would I want someone to control my life after years of childhood abuse and sadistic control. Maybe these kids had spoiled childhoods....I don't know. But I do believe something....People don't change. Their Souls are the same. What they were as kids ..they are still that kid as an adult.... They are just better at hiding what they truly are. I would never want to live near any of these killers. All of them seem to blame the killings on each other or the drugs. They don't take personal responsibility for their actions. Atkins in an interview with Diane Sawyer blamed Tex....saying he did all the killings.She admitted to stabbing Rosemary what ? 16 times in the back ....
But she said she thought Tex had already killed her with the sword...yeah , you bet.
It is just weird how they blame everything on him