Cayde: "Tf why am I here?" Ikora: "An Ahamkara tricked the kinderguardian version of your murderer into wishing you back." Cayde:"o_o" Ikora: "The same Ahamkara that made your murderer kill you in the first place." Cayde: "0_0" Ikora: "And she was doing it all on Savathun's orders." Cayde: "You let a kinderguardian near an Ahamkara?"
The moment Mara said to Crow in the distance O brother mine, it was an oh crud moment. Riven might be dead but she can still be a troll like how she attempted to troll Mara by impersonating Shaxx. The idea that the Cayde we saw within the Traveler that Ikora was talking to might be from Crow's unintended wish here could be very neat.
"... Beware the Banshee..." Riven: "I'm sorry?" *A chain-sword could be heard getting closer. It's roar sounding like that of... A banshee. Within moments, down come the gunsmith from above, slicing the wish dragon in two with ease. The exo standing over its corpse.* Banshee: "That's the last time you manipulate my memories..."
Edit: 1:19 People say Uldren is bad but look at this lore. Dude is more empathetic than most guardians I have talked with. He was bad to US cause he hated guardians and he killed Cayde (who was a guardian too) while was corrupted. But for his people he was a hero and loved person (kinda funny person too😂). Would love to see more adventure histories about him when he was Uldren. (Bad English of mine, I know😂)
He's not bad... He's just supporting an oppressive secretive and kinda racist monarchy who hunt down everyone who finds out about their actual territory. You know he sounds pretty bad by just associating with those despots.
This sounds like sympathy for the devil but uldren deserves no sympathy Besides the fact that he killed cayde, he did terrible things and was a terrible person
@@gatopreto9236 He's an emotionally abused and unstable man who works for an oppressive secretive and xenophobic regime. He may have a nice heart, but what surrounds it is so twisted. I kinda pity him the way I pity a pitbull that's aggressive, poor thing probably loved everyone but that love was just beaten or trained out of him and it's just, kinda sad.
Here’s what I think The wish we have is to follow the witness yes we could have cayde wished back to life but I think that the traveler does that. In the showcase for final shape they say that the traveler recreates important things from the guardian’s journey maybe it will do the same with cayde
The line "I just wish I could tell him I shouldn't have done it." combined with the fact that "Mara's" eyes shone afterwards, really makes me think this truly is a granted wish.
@@Bustuhh This is especially relevant now that we know Crow is going in first. That would indeed enable him to "tell him he shouldn't have done it" directly. This also explains why Cayde is taken-ish in the FS trailer, like the fanatic, he's been resurected through "unconventional" means.
@@terminalspeakers This. Exactly this. "Oh, by the way, Crow, congrats. You're the new Hunter Vanguard. You *did* kill me, after all, so joke's on you, man. Have fun and start thinking up a Dare for the next Hunter Vanguard."
@@PoppyGaming43 They dont grant wishes as meant, just a twist on as stated. Him being able to tell cayde he shouldnt have done it could be used as reason to revive cayde in some manner if riven so desires.
I mean, there had to be an explanation to how Cayde came back. The Wish probably has entailed that Cayde now cannot leave the Traveler, so while he is back, he wont be coming back to the city Also love how you can subtly tell that it's Riven posing as Mara. 1. Mourning. Mara literally said that she was angry, but didn't mourn 2. Mara would not say that she manipulated anyone. She would not admit to have done that or a mistake, even to her Brother. 3. The whole shimmering bit
Mara took responsibility for her actions in the great hunt, and directly stated she takes responsibility for separating Taranis and Riven, but Mara said she doesn't regret why she did it, just that she takes responsibility So if Riven has any plans for revenge for the great hunt, Mara wants the finger pointed at her
Maybe that was the plan all along maybe Cayde is the key to enter the portal that the Witness made or any other way. So Cayde's death was planned from Savathun with Riven? who knows they seem to like posing as other people to proceed with the grand plan
I'd say it's more likely that since he killed Cayde the plan will be to make him forgive Crow and make him the Hunter Vanguard or Crow gets to sacrifice himself to bring Cayde back at the end of the season.
Riven is like the Q, a trickster, whose granting of wishes (like so many of the AHAMKARA) allows her to feed on the difference between the desire and the reality. But I get the feeling Riven adds a little 'twist' in what she grants, not just for the chaos that the person did not intend, but also for her own internal amusement.
@@CaptainJackMorenzo pretty sure the player is the Sisko. Considering our first resort is generally to shoot and/or punch anything even mildly troublesome.
Interesting how Riven told us that Savathun's wish would be the last one she grants. How she said it at the time would imply that it would the one she grants... and no more... But thinking back on it... she only said it would be the last one she grants... so if she's pretending about her beyond-the-grave weakness... then her granting more wishes like this could be interesting... and quite fascinating...
What if, this is Riven paying forwards the deal in her own twisted way? She revives Cayde for Uldren, but doesn't make the portal to give Mara the middle claw. Rather, maybe the portal's formed elsehow and Riven knows this will be the case.
We are actively working with a dead Ahamkara that can shape shift and grant wishes from the grave AND THIS MF GONNA SAY “I wish blah blah blah”?! I LIKE CROW AS A CHARACTER BUT THATS EXACTLY WHAT LANDED YOUR ASS HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE
I'm really hoping that Cayde and Crow get to interact in the final shape. Crow has really grown, and I feel like after TFS he'd be willing to take up the Hunter Vanguard gig. I still have some parts of Crow's character I'm not a fan of, and yes, sometimes he comes off as whiny. That said, he's alright, and I'd be ok with passing the torch onto him in TFS. Just gotta pull it off right... That said... if this gets twisted by Riven, I'm gonna be genuinely upset. Not at Crow, but Riven. I'd wish to kill her soul... but alas, we all know where that leads.
Man, screw Savathûn and her "trickery". Riven is the ultimate troll queen, and nobody can ever change my mind. When she impersonated Shaxx to troll Mara and after Mara noticed, I cried laughing the second Riven started laughing. Just so fucking good lmao.
Wow. Well, since I watched the videos out of sequence, this definitely feels like Riven speaking to me, and perhaps the wish gets Crow shot through into the Traveler rather than the Guardian, as I supposed. That way Crow can apologize to Cayde-6, as wished, and eventually find a way to pull us through into the Pale Heart, as well. Bungie writers, keeping their options open. Huh.
I feel like this was bungies plan the whole time with the 15th wish. The description for the triumph read ‘this one you shall cherish’ or something similar. And it makes sense, because we’ll use the wish to get to cayde
@@Folfah just because cayde won’t kill em dosnt mean he won’t die usually it’s a life for a life type of deal when wish dragons are involved, and wishes are always a monkeys paw type of thing
I think it would be cool for cayde to know what none of us do, the way in, we have his secret message from forsake “it’s on Enceladus” and it would be cool for the wish to bring him back and then have us travel there to find our little key, that won’t happen but I just think it would be interesting
Know why Cayde asked Uldren "Hows your sister?" Because he knew It wasnt Uldren. He knew that Uldren was on Maras leash just like the fallen, and would easily whip up a whole convo about who his sister is any why no one should utter her name. Cayde knew he wasnt getting gunned down by an awoken prince, but an ahamkara controlled Awoken Prince. Cayde really is the one true memory, or guiding light that we need once we enter the portal into the traveler.
If Cayde & Crow interact during Final Shape and it ends with Cayde bestowing the Ace of Spades to Crow thus solidifying him as the official hunter vanguard the DLC will be a 10/10 for me no bs.
You missed the most important line of dialogue in that entire lore script. "Her eyes shine in the starlight." Ahamkara eyes shine when granting a wish.
Did literally no one pay attention to what the guys said in the showcase? They said themselves that Cayde is back because the traveler shaped itself to our experiences
The travel took out a massive insurance policy and the insurance chip was cayde-6 and the wish was granted and he with the travel watching the travelers back
My theory is that Cayde is back but trapped in the Traveler because The Traveler can ressurect dead Guardians and use them as a layer of defence to fend off any threats inside the The Pale Heart.
Guys remember, the Ahamkara KNOW WE CAN SEE THESE CONVERSATIONS. Always consider that Riven could have not granted the wish to make us get mad at Crow, just for it to turn out that it was a ruse to make us wish for it ourselves.
Bro Maras subtle manipulation make my nethers tingle and make me shiver. I don't trust it or like it, but it kind of turns me on. Thankfully she's all odd looking nowadays since D2 dropped, so that lessens the effect.
I’m thinking that Riven is manipulating but it’s like one final middle finger to Mara as this is her thing. Yes granting Savathun’s wish is there but Mara can’t stand Riven nor Savathun. I take it as she was shapeshifters as Mara and she’s knows that Uldren knows his past - she actually is apologizing (given that we gave her 1000 different flavours of tea from last wish). I’m just waiting to see which way this goes.
Not that this has a whole lot to do with this video but it put it in my head if Nathan Fillion a wanted to continue Destiny 2 couldn’t another ghost revive his human body if there was enough of his bones or dna left. I doubt Clovis cared enough to scrub away all the evidence.
This wish could be used to final-death kill Crow as revenge on Mara, if the theory that in final death guardians have a backup inside the traveler that ghosts are pulling from and that's what Cayde'll be holds true. Since he'd be able to tell him that if he was in the traveler that way as well. Don't think it'll happen but it's a possible eligible clause.
@@stoneycooper9758same here, it would make a lot of sense. I wonder why Cayde doesn't know where he is in TFS though. It could make sense that the backups are basically asleep normally, so that they don't change between resurrections. It'd also explain Pujari's visions and the weird things Thanatonauts see
Ok so I’m not crazy, the second I saw Cayde I went, “somthing is off here”, the second we found it we were brinding back riven my brain went “wouldn’t it be crazy if someone made some kinda of wish and thus, Cayde with some kind of power, but no ghost.” I’m not saying it garunteed gonna be why Cayde is back but I think, that’s how Cayde is back.
If Crow wished Cayde back, then they completely buried the lead by showing him before the wish was ever mentioned, let alone made... You normally only need a piece of one to converse and make a wish, and since we conjured up her dead spirit she can literally speak to whomever she wants makes Riven extremely dangerous... Personally, i believe Cayde is present inside the traveler because all timelines are flowing and crossing simultaneously. I think we might get to see some of the originals, like Andal Brask and Rezyl Azir as well!!!
Crow may be sorry for doing what he did to Cayde, but to be honest I wanna see him get what's coming to him. Just my opinion but would love to see him exit the game forever.
same. Im done with his whiny dumbass. Give me back cayde. Give me back amanda. Characters who were interesting. Crow just makes me want to punch him every time he speaks.
Bruh, if that lore tab was a cutscene it would have been so good. Not only would it give a good reason for Cayde being ‘alive’ in the Pale Heart, but it could also open up potential plot twists, like Crow reverting back to being Uldren, etc. plus it would also revisit the ideas of the power of riven (I.e. shape shifting and twisting wishes) for those who haven’t played Forsaken
Don't trust Riven! This "O Brother, mine" spoken seemingly by Mara is far too sus. I have a feeling it will all work out in the end though. Probably with a nice tidy ribbon if I know our Bungie Devs. I admire this kind of story telling. It's great work on the part of the Developers and Story Writers.
If Cayde comes back from a wish from crow, this will be one of the worst seasons and stories to ever come out of destiny. Finding the 15th wish on savathuns wings, and using it, but not yet of course, to get into the traveler, is such a joke. Wishing cayde back on top is like “we genuinely couldn’t think of anything else”
SECRET MESSAGE FROM THE WITNESS! Black Heart Returns?: th-cam.com/video/eMsEQShgAbU/w-d-xo.html
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You were right.
Cayde: "Tf why am I here?"
Ikora: "An Ahamkara tricked the kinderguardian version of your murderer into wishing you back."
Cayde:"o_o"
Ikora: "The same Ahamkara that made your murderer kill you in the first place."
Cayde: "0_0"
Ikora: "And she was doing it all on Savathun's orders."
Cayde: "You let a kinderguardian near an Ahamkara?"
🤣🤣🤣
Had to wipe my screen at that last sentence. Thank you!!!
Man they always have these bangers in the backround lore but never in the main store smh
The moment Mara said to Crow in the distance O brother mine, it was an oh crud moment. Riven might be dead but she can still be a troll like how she attempted to troll Mara by impersonating Shaxx.
The idea that the Cayde we saw within the Traveler that Ikora was talking to might be from Crow's unintended wish here could be very neat.
Our guardian to riven: “I would like you to do something”
Riven: “what should you have me do?”
Our guardian: *thunder brewing behind us* “you should…”
“You should _guardian down_ yourself NOW!”
Turn into a 5,5 waifu
I wish to be a dragon and you as my wife
"... Beware the Banshee..."
Riven: "I'm sorry?"
*A chain-sword could be heard getting closer. It's roar sounding like that of... A banshee. Within moments, down come the gunsmith from above, slicing the wish dragon in two with ease. The exo standing over its corpse.*
Banshee: "That's the last time you manipulate my memories..."
@@zrtl8774 that sounds cool bro but don't think that would happen giving the fact he gave us the sword he uses in this aka the lament
This scene totally should have been a cutscene. The implications are HUGE
Edit: 1:19
People say Uldren is bad but look at this lore. Dude is more empathetic than most guardians I have talked with. He was bad to US cause he hated guardians and he killed Cayde (who was a guardian too) while was corrupted. But for his people he was a hero and loved person (kinda funny person too😂). Would love to see more adventure histories about him when he was Uldren.
(Bad English of mine, I know😂)
He's not bad... He's just supporting an oppressive secretive and kinda racist monarchy who hunt down everyone who finds out about their actual territory.
You know he sounds pretty bad by just associating with those despots.
This sounds like sympathy for the devil but uldren deserves no sympathy
Besides the fact that he killed cayde, he did terrible things and was a terrible person
@@jamesjdm you say it based on what? His people loved him, That says something don't you think?
@@jamesjdm "deserves no sympathy"
I LOVE HIM SO MUCH I WOULD MARRY THAT CANDY BOY 😍
@@gatopreto9236 He's an emotionally abused and unstable man who works for an oppressive secretive and xenophobic regime.
He may have a nice heart, but what surrounds it is so twisted. I kinda pity him the way I pity a pitbull that's aggressive, poor thing probably loved everyone but that love was just beaten or trained out of him and it's just, kinda sad.
COULD THIS BE WHY CAYDE IS BACK IN THE FINAL SHAPE?!
This would make sense
No
I always thought that Cayde was in the afterlife and the afterlife was inside the traveler
Here’s what I think
The wish we have is to follow the witness yes we could have cayde wished back to life but I think that the traveler does that. In the showcase for final shape they say that the traveler recreates important things from the guardian’s journey maybe it will do the same with cayde
@@GrimGothSinner that does feel like it needs a explanation on how he is there
The line "I just wish I could tell him I shouldn't have done it." combined with the fact that "Mara's" eyes shone afterwards, really makes me think this truly is a granted wish.
Yip, people overlook the shining eyes
It's been mentioned several times, that Ahamkaras eyes glow when a wish is granted
@@Bustuhh This is especially relevant now that we know Crow is going in first. That would indeed enable him to "tell him he shouldn't have done it" directly. This also explains why Cayde is taken-ish in the FS trailer, like the fanatic, he's been resurected through "unconventional" means.
it really was!
cayde is the type of guy to forgive crow
He'd probably jokingly get ready to fight him then break out laughing
Right after making a crack about Mara. 🤣
And then declaring crow the hunter challenge winner so he crow can become the new hunter vanguard.
@@VAwitch”To continue our conversation from when you gave me a big ‘ole headache; How is your sister? She still single or-“
@@terminalspeakers This. Exactly this. "Oh, by the way, Crow, congrats. You're the new Hunter Vanguard. You *did* kill me, after all, so joke's on you, man. Have fun and start thinking up a Dare for the next Hunter Vanguard."
Knowing riven I feel like we’re just gonna get a twisted /taken version of cayde
he wished to be able to tell cayde that he shouldn't have done it
nothing more
he aint coming back at all
He's literally in the FS though... Maybe just in the traveler though.
@@JJYT92 yea I just mean like a fake cayde
@@PoppyGaming43 They dont grant wishes as meant, just a twist on as stated. Him being able to tell cayde he shouldnt have done it could be used as reason to revive cayde in some manner if riven so desires.
@@duo1666Taranis would like to talk
The most important part you missed i think is that it says mara's eyes shine in the light after he says he wishes he could talk to cayde
You were right.
I mean, there had to be an explanation to how Cayde came back. The Wish probably has entailed that Cayde now cannot leave the Traveler, so while he is back, he wont be coming back to the city
Also love how you can subtly tell that it's Riven posing as Mara.
1. Mourning. Mara literally said that she was angry, but didn't mourn
2. Mara would not say that she manipulated anyone. She would not admit to have done that or a mistake, even to her Brother.
3. The whole shimmering bit
Mara took responsibility for her actions in the great hunt, and directly stated she takes responsibility for separating Taranis and Riven, but Mara said she doesn't regret why she did it, just that she takes responsibility
So if Riven has any plans for revenge for the great hunt, Mara wants the finger pointed at her
Plus ahamkara eyes shine when they grant wishes
Crow my poor boy, always getting the short end of the stick, especially from wish dragons.
Maybe that was the plan all along maybe Cayde is the key to enter the portal that the Witness made or any other way. So Cayde's death was planned from Savathun with Riven? who knows they seem to like posing as other people to proceed with the grand plan
I'd say it's more likely that since he killed Cayde the plan will be to make him forgive Crow and make him the Hunter Vanguard or Crow gets to sacrifice himself to bring Cayde back at the end of the season.
"O brother mine" yep
Riven is like the Q, a trickster, whose granting of wishes (like so many of the AHAMKARA) allows her to feed on the difference between the desire and the reality. But I get the feeling Riven adds a little 'twist' in what she grants, not just for the chaos that the person did not intend, but also for her own internal amusement.
The Q? Like Picard Q!
So what you're saying is we need a Picard type character to deal with riven, or a Sisko.
@@CaptainJackMorenzo *YES!*
@@CaptainJackMorenzo pretty sure the player is the Sisko. Considering our first resort is generally to shoot and/or punch anything even mildly troublesome.
@@jedimike7622... Are we the bad guys?!
Should do a video on the Lore that’s in the Sparrow that you get from ranking up Riven. Some spicy Drifter Eris lore.
Now Imma have to read it, I love those two. Moon dust 😭
@@stoneycooper9758 I got legitimately choked up reading it. I really hope they end up together.
Interesting how Riven told us that Savathun's wish would be the last one she grants. How she said it at the time would imply that it would the one she grants... and no more...
But thinking back on it... she only said it would be the last one she grants... so if she's pretending about her beyond-the-grave weakness... then her granting more wishes like this could be interesting... and quite fascinating...
The energy around caydes eyes is kinda similar to the weird energy on uldrens face in forsaken
The weird energy on Uldren eyes it's because he's Taken
I still think Uldren being swallowed by essentially a giant asshole was a bit disturbing.
What if, this is Riven paying forwards the deal in her own twisted way? She revives Cayde for Uldren, but doesn't make the portal to give Mara the middle claw. Rather, maybe the portal's formed elsehow and Riven knows this will be the case.
We are actively working with a dead Ahamkara that can shape shift and grant wishes from the grave AND THIS MF GONNA SAY “I wish blah blah blah”?! I LIKE CROW AS A CHARACTER BUT THATS EXACTLY WHAT LANDED YOUR ASS HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE
It is Riven, it says her eyes shine. That what happens when Ahamkaras grant a wish. The wording at the end was just to make it super obvious.
Came into Destiny late and never saw or knew about any of this - thanks for putting this together! Pieces some of the questions I had together
Knowing how ahamkara feeds now this is crazy. Knowing that riven basically ate him.
Cayde is 100% shooting crow in the face then saying “now we’re even”
Crow: *resurects* I deserved that.
?
I don't get it 😮
@@gatopreto9236 play Destiny two and then you’ll get it
Ah i was right crow did indeed do something stupid and emo again
Can a wish be supported perhaps even the traveler seeing how previous runs went. Supported the wish that spoken.
I'm really hoping that Cayde and Crow get to interact in the final shape. Crow has really grown, and I feel like after TFS he'd be willing to take up the Hunter Vanguard gig. I still have some parts of Crow's character I'm not a fan of, and yes, sometimes he comes off as whiny. That said, he's alright, and I'd be ok with passing the torch onto him in TFS. Just gotta pull it off right...
That said... if this gets twisted by Riven, I'm gonna be genuinely upset. Not at Crow, but Riven. I'd wish to kill her soul... but alas, we all know where that leads.
The past is happening again 😆
I LOVE IT
Man, screw Savathûn and her "trickery".
Riven is the ultimate troll queen, and nobody can ever change my mind.
When she impersonated Shaxx to troll Mara and after Mara noticed, I cried laughing the second Riven started laughing.
Just so fucking good lmao.
Wow. Well, since I watched the videos out of sequence, this definitely feels like Riven speaking to me, and perhaps the wish gets Crow shot through into the Traveler rather than the Guardian, as I supposed. That way Crow can apologize to Cayde-6, as wished, and eventually find a way to pull us through into the Pale Heart, as well. Bungie writers, keeping their options open. Huh.
I feel like this was bungies plan the whole time with the 15th wish. The description for the triumph read ‘this one you shall cherish’ or something similar. And it makes sense, because we’ll use the wish to get to cayde
Mara revealed to be an ahamkara in the seasonal finale
that is textbook riven, I would not be at all surprised if this IS how Cayde is back
GOSH DAMNIT RIVEN
tbf, on this season quest, riven said that she just would be able to make one more whish as she is not alive anymore
For those wondering, the Lore about Uldren making the wish can be found in the Forsaken Prince Lore under Fanatic Part 2.
7:39 is when it happened. thats when crow was revived in some way inside the traveler
Damn, what a call!
Riven: it even funnier the 2nd time
the wish could twist in a different way, sending crow to an early death
lol furry was wrong
@@Folfah just because cayde won’t kill em dosnt mean he won’t die usually it’s a life for a life type of deal when wish dragons are involved, and wishes are always a monkeys paw type of thing
We want DookieBootyFartWater
Why does that name sound so familiar?
7:58 HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP LOL this is how we can reunite with Cayde!
i also just feel like the pale heart could be a guardian afterlife for final deathed guardians
Very very possible because as we are finding out even dead ahamkara have much power
I think it would be cool for cayde to know what none of us do, the way in, we have his secret message from forsake “it’s on Enceladus” and it would be cool for the wish to bring him back and then have us travel there to find our little key, that won’t happen but I just think it would be interesting
I think that was the Deep Stone Crypt that was on Enceladus, where he was created but changed to Europa.
I really hope your theory is right on the crows wish for cayde to come back
COME ON!!! YOu skipped over the "Any last words?" "Yeah, How's your sister?" That is one of the coldest lines ever bro
If this is the case I feel the vanguard and mara need to make an insurance policy on the eggs we are collecting.
I’m thinking riven may be Polly-juicing Cayde6 in the final shape expansion as they did Mara Sov in forsaken.
The pale heart could be the afterlife for all true dead guardians
Know why Cayde asked Uldren "Hows your sister?"
Because he knew It wasnt Uldren.
He knew that Uldren was on Maras leash just like the fallen, and would easily whip up a whole convo about who his sister is any why no one should utter her name.
Cayde knew he wasnt getting gunned down by an awoken prince, but an ahamkara controlled Awoken Prince.
Cayde really is the one true memory, or guiding light that we need once we enter the portal into the traveler.
Nah I'm not accepting Riven as hunter vanguard
Not gonna happen
Nuh uh
@@nankaq9909I think almost everyone can agree, the vanguard dare does NOT apply to wish dragons
If Cayde & Crow interact during Final Shape and it ends with Cayde bestowing the Ace of Spades to Crow thus solidifying him as the official hunter vanguard the DLC will be a 10/10 for me no bs.
This is a serious oh shit moment. WP Bungie. Seems like it gives a pretty damn good in-lore reason for a certain character in final shape...
You missed the most important line of dialogue in that entire lore script. "Her eyes shine in the starlight."
Ahamkara eyes shine when granting a wish.
I’m chill with it.
Did literally no one pay attention to what the guys said in the showcase? They said themselves that Cayde is back because the traveler shaped itself to our experiences
The travel took out a massive insurance policy and the insurance chip was cayde-6 and the wish was granted and he with the travel watching the travelers back
My theory is that Cayde is back but trapped in the Traveler because The Traveler can ressurect dead Guardians and use them as a layer of defence to fend off any threats inside the The Pale Heart.
Wait till yor comes along and starts pk ing everyone
That is a sound theory and suprisingly what could be going on sounds very plausible
@@joshuaheffernan thanks
Every time I see 5:14 I die of laughter 😂
Guys remember, the Ahamkara KNOW WE CAN SEE THESE CONVERSATIONS. Always consider that Riven could have not granted the wish to make us get mad at Crow, just for it to turn out that it was a ruse to make us wish for it ourselves.
“Her eyes shined in starlight” welp wished granted 😅
@2:57 😂 DYAD??
Bro Maras subtle manipulation make my nethers tingle and make me shiver. I don't trust it or like it, but it kind of turns me on. Thankfully she's all odd looking nowadays since D2 dropped, so that lessens the effect.
I’m thinking that Riven is manipulating but it’s like one final middle finger to Mara as this is her thing. Yes granting Savathun’s wish is there but Mara can’t stand Riven nor Savathun. I take it as she was shapeshifters as Mara and she’s knows that Uldren knows his past - she actually is apologizing (given that we gave her 1000 different flavours of tea from last wish). I’m just waiting to see which way this goes.
i made a wish too but nimbus still hasn't been offed.
Aww, shit. Here we go again.
bro if cayde ended up being riven tho??? damn that would be rough
ULD-I mean...CROW, YOU FUCK UP!!!
Ceres Galliot i wish they would bring this Jumpship back
my all time favorite from D1
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx mine too every time we get a new Awoken themed season It hope they bring it back
Not that this has a whole lot to do with this video but it put it in my head if Nathan Fillion a wanted to continue Destiny 2 couldn’t another ghost revive his human body if there was enough of his bones or dna left. I doubt Clovis cared enough to scrub away all the evidence.
This wish could be used to final-death kill Crow as revenge on Mara, if the theory that in final death guardians have a backup inside the traveler that ghosts are pulling from and that's what Cayde'll be holds true. Since he'd be able to tell him that if he was in the traveler that way as well. Don't think it'll happen but it's a possible eligible clause.
Idc about crow but this backup life thing in the Traveler is an interesting theory and I do very like it
@@stoneycooper9758same here, it would make a lot of sense. I wonder why Cayde doesn't know where he is in TFS though. It could make sense that the backups are basically asleep normally, so that they don't change between resurrections. It'd also explain Pujari's visions and the weird things Thanatonauts see
Is that thing that ate Uldren the same as that Taken Tentacle Meatball in that EDZ Taken Strike whose name I can't remember?
Ok so I’m not crazy, the second I saw Cayde I went, “somthing is off here”, the second we found it we were brinding back riven my brain went “wouldn’t it be crazy if someone made some kinda of wish and thus, Cayde with some kind of power, but no ghost.”
I’m not saying it garunteed gonna be why Cayde is back but I think, that’s how Cayde is back.
I love me some cut scenes that I paid for but cannot access anymore.
If Crow wished Cayde back, then they completely buried the lead by showing him before the wish was ever mentioned, let alone made...
You normally only need a piece of one to converse and make a wish, and since we conjured up her dead spirit she can literally speak to whomever she wants makes Riven extremely dangerous...
Personally, i believe Cayde is present inside the traveler because all timelines are flowing and crossing simultaneously. I think we might get to see some of the originals, like Andal Brask and Rezyl Azir as well!!!
I was gonna say you might be able to meet Kabr and his friends but of course, none of the vanguard know that 6 went in that day.
I hope not :( I hated mara so much for all the manipulation. he has had enough. he deserves some peace. Thanks for the video ^^
Crow may be sorry for doing what he did to Cayde, but to be honest I wanna see him get what's coming to him. Just my opinion but would love to see him exit the game forever.
same. Im done with his whiny dumbass. Give me back cayde. Give me back amanda. Characters who were interesting. Crow just makes me want to punch him every time he speaks.
I really want cayde to meet crow
Telling you theres some sweet home alabama shit going on with them 😂
"Crow is a different person than Uldren so this is completely fine"
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx Hmm, seems legit 🤔 🤫😏
I hope crows wish was to bring back cayde
Bruh, if that lore tab was a cutscene it would have been so good. Not only would it give a good reason for Cayde being ‘alive’ in the Pale Heart, but it could also open up potential plot twists, like Crow reverting back to being Uldren, etc. plus it would also revisit the ideas of the power of riven (I.e. shape shifting and twisting wishes) for those who haven’t played Forsaken
Don't trust Riven! This "O Brother, mine" spoken seemingly by Mara is far too sus. I have a feeling it will all work out in the end though. Probably with a nice tidy ribbon if I know our Bungie Devs. I admire this kind of story telling. It's great work on the part of the Developers and Story Writers.
They not gonna make me like him now just because he "wishes" for Cayde to come back.
Cayde shouldn't have died in the first place.
votes on us seeing The Man With The Golden Gun within TFS?
I don’t feel bad for prince Aldrin when he was eaten I rejoiced
Uldren was at the highest of his beauty when he was corrupted 😫
Ayo?
With all their technology why can’t they just download cayde’s mind into another exo???
I wish I can be a dragon guardian race
Did he die by the bullet of petra of die by being eaten ?
McChicken😩❤️
JUST IMAGINE... A CAYDE IS CORN!!!
Early, we love it
Does anyone know how to get the ship tied to this lore
C-Cayde?
If Cayde comes back from a wish from crow, this will be one of the worst seasons and stories to ever come out of destiny.
Finding the 15th wish on savathuns wings, and using it, but not yet of course, to get into the traveler, is such a joke. Wishing cayde back on top is like “we genuinely couldn’t think of anything else”