A NEW PLAYER enters the NAS Market: Hardware Teardown and More
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Today I'm tearing down the UGreen DXP4800 Plus, as UGreen tries to enter the NAS market. Will the hardware and software be enough to compete with established players? Stay tuned to find out.
Links to the UGreen NASync Family:
Ugreen NASync DXP4800 Plus: kck.st/3TKOdYB
3/28-5/9: Up to 35% OFF during 3/28-5/9
I do a deep-dive into the hardware, build quality, overview of the included software, and go through the process of installing my own software on the unit. It's very easy to work on, with very easy access to the RAM and M.2 SSDs, and only slightly harder to access the boot M.2 if you want to replace the OS. Speaking of the OS, it's Debian-based, and I was able to install my own Debian system without too much trouble. This means that Proxmox VE and TrueNAS SCALE are very likely to work just as easily, as they are also both Debian based.
lxpci, lscpu info:
www.apalrd.net/posts/2024/sto...
Support me on Ko-Fi if you enjoy my content and find it useful:
ko-fi.com/apalrd
Feel free to chat about my upcoming projects on Discord!
/ discord
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
00:27 - Family
03:26 - Unboxing
06:29 - Software
15:10 - Full Teardown
22:48 - Linux
27:05 - My Thoughts
#ugreen #homelab #datastorage - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
![เจ้าผู้เดียว - ดิด คิตตี้ [OFFICIAL MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/q0NLCYKBOTo/mqdefault.jpg)
FYI: Ugreen confirmed on Kickstarter that their hardware warranty still applies when installing a third-party OS and they don't plan on blocking that functionality. Also, ctrl+f2 goes into the EFI setup screen without pulling the boot drive.
Hey boss, are we sure it's still fine the warranty or maybe something changed? Thank you
25:00 and that's why we subscribe :)
+1
Man. UGREEN has sent out a TON of these review units from the looks of my TH-cam feed, lol.
Same. I'd really like one, but unfortunately they're only available in either Germany or the USA.
I'm in the same boat @@Ignotus., signed up to get notified of the starter but was disappointed when it was only USA & Germany :(
I don't like a NAS which asks for my phone number
@@Techonsapevole Then flash it with another OS..
Seen a plethora of UGREEN NAS videos and this is the first one that somebody can install debiar or other OS, good job Apalrd
Would love to see Proxmox installed on this NAS !
Probably could as it comes with a factory installed version of Debian. Proxmox is Debian based as he stated in the end.
I've been following reviews on this product for the last two weeks now, and you're only the second one that shows another OS running on it. Much appreciated!
astrologers announced the week of Ugreen on TH-cam
that is the serious review comparing to another 10 that appeared on YT in last few days ;-)
Really, they sponsored the entire homelab community lol
They sponsored everyone and you can clearly see who amongst „everyone“ is just a shill and who does actual reviews and provides actual information and value.
Would love to see TrueNAS Scale installed on that!
Not enough RAM, no IPv6 support for apps
@@UnderEu both incorrect. Ram is upgradeable to 64 (probably 48x2 as well, but can't confirm if it supports non power of 2 memory chips). And ipv6 works even on the base OS.
@@UnderEuwhy would IPv6 support be hardware dependent? debian works, ipv6 works, scale should just work as well. so much of this stuff is all just debian under the hood.
Wow, you have done what others couldn’t do have driven them nuts! Bravo to you fine Sir!
Loved the Debian section - one of the best videos I've seen on this device!
nascompares tried installing unraid, proxmox and truenas and couldn't get them running properly, so the debian section is actually and totally pointless. ugreen marketing paying for this video, makes sense he didn't try installing proxmox on it
The volume on the mic is really low
I really like that it is not an artificially walled system. The vendor supplied base system seems reasonable, hardware build quality looks really nice, plane Debian can be installed, awesome. Will definitely look further into this.
what's the idle power conumption?
Some other reviewers reported between 25 and 35W with the default OS which is pretty high imo
Uff. The audio levels are really low on this one. -21.5dB. You might want to add a level check to your workflow. I had to turn my headphones up 200% to hear this one.
this looks like a promising little box, even if I had to remove its own boot disk to install my own stuff.
would unraid work on it as well?
Thanks for the thorough review!
Subscribed before your channel goes above 100k in short time.
Thanks!
Do you still have access to the BIOS after loading regular Debian, or is it ONLY accessible by removing all drives? I'm looking for something like this for running PBS for my cluster.
You have to remove the bootable drives for it to go into the BIOS. I moved the boot drive under the access door and put a storage drive in the original boot drive location to make this easier. All three m.2s are PCIe gen 3 x 4 to the CPU (at least on this model, the N100 doesn't have enough lanes for that).
This is interesting to me. Was considering a Synology NAS but the hardware specs are a little lacklustre/dated. Was considering building my own TrueNAS system but wanted something more compact.
This lineup could actually be a good fit. 🤔
Thanks for the review. On a side note - what is that wireless mic that you're using?
It's a DJI Mic. (Yes it's a very quiet video, my audio normalizing step seems to have failed)
Awesome power user move, because we can lol
couldn't you reboot to firmware via efi variables?
Is thay boot drive NVME 2280 size? Do you know what lane speed does it support (3x1, 3x3?)
It’s 2280 yes. I know it’s at least 3x2, not sure if it’s x4 or gen 4. That’s the limit of the ssd it came with.
that mic needs a sound check.
Here's a question: If one was to procure the 4-bay NAS, but only populate it at the start with two HDD's, what level of effort will there be to install additional drives in the empty bays later on?
Depends on how you want to handle redundancy / what software you are using (Ugreen's OS or something else).
In general if you buy two HDDs now and mirror them, then add another two and mirror them, it's not bad. If you want to switch from mirrors to RAID5, it's bad.
What kind of sata chip in on there? I would like to dubble check if it supports the c state for power consumption.
Lspci would great and thank you the videos as always
I forgot to add it to the description but it's here: www.apalrd.net/posts/2024/storage_ugreen/
It's an ASM1164 though: www.asmedia.com.tw/product/17fYQ85SPeqG8MT8/58dYQ8bxZ4UR9wG5/ASM1164
have you tried to replace pcie-sata with smth else? it could be 6- or 8-bay nas with other relatively cheap adapter. i am curious if it will be supported in the UI.
I have no idea, but they make 6 and 8 bay versions if you want to just get that instead.
@@apalrdsadventures i've already backed for 4-bay version and now waiting for delivery). 200$ gap between 4 and 6 is too big even with current discount. without discount it is even more. i just was curious if it is possible at all. +2 disks for 40$ adapter sounds intriguing for me)
Brother not trying to rush you but I could really use that VX lan tutorial right about now!!! I have half-heartedly tried three times to set it up.
Probably have it completely botched. Right now I have two test containers on the same VX Lan net. Then I have a micro tick router OS acting as the default gateway. I think my issue is with the router OS. For some reason it can't get the VXLAN network to attach to the interface... Maybe I miss configured the VM in proxmox. Or maybe it was a bad configuration inside the router. Taking a break now I'll go back to it in a bit... I'm sure an hour after I figure it out your video will drop 😂😂😂
RouterOS supports (unicast) vxlan on its own, so it can be a member without using an interface to it. It doesn't support evpn vxlan yet.
Otherwise, I'm working on that video
@@apalrdsadventures thanks! I got it mostly set up now. Just have to add a couple routes to allow my development laptop to be able to connect with everything inside of that VXLAN
Such a good price for the 4-bay 10 core i5. Unfortunately, they only ship to the US and Germany... and it looks like their retail pricing will be less attractive.
After years of refusing to pay the "NAS premium" for a small x86 system with drive bays, I finally "caved" and bought an x86 based terramaster a couple of months ago. Quad core celeron for the same price I bought my i9 nuc-style server!
I was curious how the backplane got power. I didn't see any connections besides the pcie. Did you see anything? I'm asking because I would actually take it out and put in my own controller so I could have 8 2.5" drives in there instead. But most cages take either 4pin or sata power connection.
There is no connector other than PCIe, but a standard PCIe connector can supply a decent amount of 12v power.
@@apalrdsadventures Very interesting. I've never seen a pcie backplane get power from the slot itself. Especially when they need 12v, 5v, and 3.3v and pcie only supplies 12 and 3.3v.
It's not hard to get 5v from 12v
The reason why you can't set a low port for these services (and many services) is that then you need to do some funky stuff where you start the service as root to get the low port, then you need to fork to run the service as the user who it should run as (for security reasons). All of this is fairly well documented.
It is much easier to run the service using a high port, than then if you really want you put something like NPM in front of it.
HTTP aware reverse proxies aren’t hard to find. Nginx, Apache HTTPD, and lighttpd can all do it with similarly sized configuration files.
Between C and Rust I know of at least 3 different dedicated reverse proxies. As you mentioned NPM comes with one. At least two Java based ones exist.
Then you have the classic port rewriting rules with the packet filter. Inetd and Systemd can both do socket pass through.
Pick any of the above and implement it. Never just accept running your web application on a random high port.
@@Knirin if you don't want high ports, then address the situation like rewiring the applications or use a reverse proxy (or what ever you fell like).
This is how it has been since applications servers like tomcat saw the light of day, which is a few years.
They are already running nginx with setcap for low numbered ports, and the same nginx instance is proxying the HTTP / HTTPS UI and also serving a port 80 redirect. The web UI configuration is updating the nginx configuration, so there's no technical reason why they can't use 80/443.
I am wondering. Is the CPU upgradable
No, it's a soldered laptop CPU
ahh they should let the user decide what system to use as boot
I don't know if it's TH-cam or your signal chain but the video audio is quite low.
Normally I normalize audio during export rendering and for some reason it just ... decided not to do it, for some reason.
I believe in the BIOS if you disable the boot logo setting (somewhere in there...) you'll be able to use a hotkey to enter bios (might be ctrl+f2 from what i've heard) Also possible that slightly non-standard hotkey of ctrl+f2 works regardless of logo setting.
I tried all of the function keys, although not combining them.
@@apalrdsadventures Yeah, I've seen some people reporting ctrl+f2 working. Very odd, but I suspect it's to make it ever so slightly more difficult.
In the past, I've had pretty good success on various devices simply running 'systemctl reboot --firmware-setup'. Though this is for UEFI, I believe there's a similar command for legacy BIOS too.
I was wondering too - who'd build a non-uefi system nowadays.. so one could reasonably expect it being possible to configure grub to enable the uefi firmware menu entry..
May want to read into LUFS and what TH-cam suggests.
shipping to US or Germany only.
Model with the i5 would make a nice proxmox box. Shame I cannot join the kickstarter in the UK.
Ditto!
Shipito and Forward2me are proxy services that facilitate package forwarding. However, due to VAT in the UK, it may not be worth it :/
@@th3r3v92 Yeah I would install promox on it anyway so I think I might just get n100 mobo from aliexpress and 4 bay case.
I'm sort of interested in this just because it's possible to install a real OS on it. I may pick one up and experiment with getting a zfs pool set up on it.
btrfs, yuck. I really don't know why none of these premade NAS distributions opted for zfs instead of btrfs. The only one I'm aware of is the QNAP Hero firmware, which is only on their more expensive models.
ZFS support in Debian is not built-in due to licensing (Linux claims GPL / Sun open source license incompatibility, BSD has no such issues) so zfs is out of tree. Canonical builds zfs for Ubuntu on their own.
There's also the possible fear that Oracle sues, but given that OpenZFS is based on the last Sun release (and its license) the license is far more permissive than anything Oracle would ever consider.
video is so quiet
I’d just wait for the aoostar 4 bay at this point.
UHD?
It looks alot like Synology but better hardware build and none of this only Synology branded hard drive crap. I wonder if they're going to have camera surveillance app for it which would be a killer thing to have.
low volume for some reason
audio seems really low for me...
ditto
-21.5db
I see a lot every morning…
16:10 I guess if you're fine with 8gb of RAM, you're not doing intensive stuff anyways and single channel RAM would be totally fine in that case.
True, you will hit bandwidth limits on the spinning drives long before the RAM. You'll hit limits on 4x spinning drives before you hit 10Gbps as well, unless you're going from RAM cache or the NVMe drives.
According to the Kickstarter page. The UGREEN NAS's ONLY ship to the US and Germany. So that is an utter failure right there. See the FAQ page. The shipping locations were updated on March 26 2024.
They should put coreboot on it from scratch.
Looks like a Synology-Clone 😜
it does doesn't it!
So HW RAID? If so, I’ll stick with zfs.
Though, I do like the tool-less drive install. The hardware is not bad.
It’s an asmedia sata to pcie controller (no raid) and Linux md raid
jesus dude, you made your video at 5% sound volume.
I would buy this if they actually shipped it to my country - as I understand they are only shipping to the US and Germany which is kind of riduculous.
Make the sound louder it's extremely quiet
just build or buy a refurb pc and make your own nas - a much better way to go for both learning and your wallet
This NAS is the worst thing to happen to my phone since that time Apple installed a U2 album without my consent.
Voice to low
That UI is such a shameless Synology rip off
This is a Chinese brand. The same nation that builds complete replicas of neighboring nations' capitol building complex for military training. The same nation that enacts 1984 level surveillance campaigns on their populace. I would be more morally selective about the products I promote.
Love your channel and I think we would get along great as friends.
be serious and let us know where 99% of your electronic devices are built today. Ok, maybe 75% as we still have Phillipines and Malaysia ;)
@@zyghom you gonna hit me with a gotcha so you can invalidate my entire position? I knew this would be the reply I would get the moment I hit the send button. Consider that someone who also holds this position might also be discriminant on where they purchase their consumer products from. Despite that, your argument makes no sense even if I wasn't. 🧌
Mate, this shit got out of hand. Every homelaber is doing tha same review.
I know that they are giving for free, but just stop. It is just shit.
Raidowl, Jim's Garage, Nas compares, TwoGuyzTech, wundertech, and others ar doing this same shit review about the same thing.
Pretty sure none of them did a full teardown and installed their own OS
Free NAS, Free HDDs (some apparently get 4x WD red), Content material. I see no reason for not making a video about it.
Also the device itself is indeed interesting.
Don’t need a 1GbE Synology, also don’t need a 19 inch rack server. (99% of the people)
I really like the concept of the Ugreen NAS, would recommend it to beginners/friends.
If you got sent a free one and were paid to make a video on it would you say "No everyone else already did it"? Why not just be glad you're getting multiple takes on a new piece of hardware.
cool story bro. I don't know who any of those other people are. So this is the first time i'm seeing the review.
@@apalrdsadventures TRUE! but here you don't see: "The best NAS ever for ever and never"
Sponsored? Thumbs down and unsubscribed.
cope
@@moo4983
you should see if you can image that boot drive.
This looks like a stripped down Synology.
Now I want a video about Kevin, back there 🫠
he's coming, in a video, when I get time. He's actually quite impressive for the price - a tri-band wifi 6e router with 2.5Gbe for $129, and a chipset that's likely to get OpenWRT support due to its popularity
Looks like complete ripoff of Synology UI. Not sure if this is a Chinese company, most likely it would be, I would trust a Taiwan company Synology over a Chinese.