Fantastic work Jarrod. Very refreshing to see a cricket analyst bring a social justice perspective to cricket analysis. I'm impressed with your worldview.
Great piece Jarrod. Hope QDK comes out with his side of the story and the Saffers can make some systemic changes in their selection procedures and grassroots player trainings
Being from the US, every time I see the initials CSA I think, Confederate States of America. This is the most lucid defense of why it's necessary to bring the ghosts of the past to the forefront. Thank you for delving into the history to give what is going on now the proper context outside of knee-jerk political posturing. If people can't come to terms with past indiscretions, it allows individuals the permission to perpetuate the same mindset that caused the problem in the first place. This is not about quotas or kneeling or even the future of Cricket in SA. It about respecting everyone as a human being by treating them with an inalienable right to basic decency. As a professional sportsman you depend on your teammates, they should bee able to depend on you. To do otherwise is, to turn a phrase, simply not Cricket.
"It is about respecting everyone as a human being by treating them with an inalienable right to basic decency". Does the "everyone" you refer to include people who refuse to take the knee for cultural, religious, political or personal reasons?
@@jaymeister4850 Absolutely but if not “taking a knee" is being turned into some kind of heroic protest, the question becomes what exactly is he protesting by his refusal? What cultural, religious, political or personal reason cultural, religious, political or personal reason was served by not taking a knee? He said he felt like his rights were being taken away. OK well does he feel that same way about everyone having to wear that same uniform, or follow other tram rules? No this was the hill he wanted to die on and he missed a Cricket game for it. Not exactly a death sentence, and exactly the same sanction he would have gotten for not wearing the required uniform or not conforming to other team decisions. Jarrod laid out how team CSA still has issues with recruiting players. I don’t see that people of De Kock's ilk are being deprived of getting the opportunity to play the game and get themselves in front of selectors. Compared to that problem, being asked to take a ceremonial knee to shine a dimmest of lights on the issue is not in the same galaxy as being deprived of the opportunity to compete in the first place. That is the basic decency I’m referring to. You are trying to compare being systematically denied the opportunity to compete for a spot on the national team to an individual making a decision to not follow a team rule. These two things are not equivalent and De Cock is not being treated without basic decency, his spot on the team is the proof of that.
I rarely comment on TH-cam videos, even those that I enjoyed watching, but your video was so insightful, based on such deep research, and so impassioned in its argument that I couldn't not comment. This is exactly the sort of journalism and commentary cricket needs. This is exactly life-long viewers of the game need to know more about. I hope you will continue to make videos of this sort.
Jarrod Kimber: KUDOS to you. Great piece! Goes WAY beyond cricket. Your best, overall piece, in terms of conceptual and human impact. Hope as many as possible listen to your whole piece.
quotas for upliftment are like double edged swords, it helps a lot of downtrodden people, however , it tends to make the downtrodden "permanent" in the minds of others, people start discounting them even if theyre highly skilled people.
Other problem is that the downtrodden people who improved their condition continue using these quotas and slowly downtrodden people whose conditions haven't improved stop getting benefits because it becomes harder for them to compete with already established people.
Quotas base on religion, race, sex, caste etc will not help anyone. It will create more division like reservation and affirmative action in India and US respectively.
What an brilliant video. You've gained a subscriber for life in me. So insightful and well researched. It's amazing how you can understand the nuances our sporting history/reality better than probably 90% of South Africans do.
Such a good video. Thanks for explaining the situation clearly. Also I find people very easily forget that people who were living in Apartheid are still alive right now, it wasn't that far back.
Yoo when people talk about my home I get very defensive. However this time the guy is spot on. Need to develop cricket for lesser economic communities.🇿🇦
I think the quota system needs to be reduced and modified, otherwise SA will continue to lose great White talent. Any grass-roots improvement will bear fruit eventually. Forcing it isn't necessary.
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) Ja but the talent is white cause they can afford to send their kids to private school. Cricket is an elitist sport. Always has been.
Well done! A white South African not kneeling shocked me. Although we can't force people to kneel, its definitely insensitive. On the other hand, some strongly feel sports should be light and un-politicised. It is a complex topic, but de Kock should have kneeled considering his nation's history.
Anoop yaar, wonderful. That’s what I wanted to say! Pakistan / India don’t need to take the knee! Reason: our racism is against every colour, human being, animals! We r a nation who enjoy taunts!
@@daddashikamani The vast majority of those Black people migrated from all parts of Africa to be part of South Africa under the Whites. Bad things would have happened too, sure.
@@thebuckmaster6497 Lets accept the argument most people in modern day SA never spent time under Apartheid. But, there are substantial number of people who did. Reverse racism is as bad as Racism. A white SA kneeling doesn't have to mean he is condoning violence against whites.
In my opinion people have to choose to join in taking the knee of their own free will. The imposition of a requirement through coercion negates the symbolic power because the people on their knees aren't making a stand for what they believe in but doing so in fear of not retaining their employment. That robs the act of it's meaning. I think it's profoundly meaningful when people choose to do it but if they don't then that's OK as well. 🙂
Absolutely 💯 when teams across world are participating in a sports, no need to invoke political organization like BLM. U cannot dictate what players should do. There are several type of hates going on throughout the world, racism is not the only one. And importantly, in recent times racism is almost non existent systematically and actual racists are very rare nowadays.
@@reyblais4858 he can have an opinion as part of team. Kneeling down is just political statement. Some people doesn't like these kinda things. I completely condemn racism but I will never support any political institutions like BLM. In football many Black players rejected to take knee in name of BLM.
@@reyblais4858 LoL 🤣 politics and sports are 2 different entities 🤦 situations are different in every country and so are politics but sports are played same everywhere.
In an article from Telford Vice , “It was all too much for De Kock, who put his knees where his mouth is. Or will be once - or even if - he enlightens us about his decision. He can afford that choice. *As a special player who has been able to realise his potential because he was born the right colour in a country that still puts whiteness on so many pedestals, his path to cricket's biggest stages has not been blocked.* He could thus follow AB de Villiers and run away to join the travelling T20 circus. But at what cost to his country, his team and his own psyche?” Not because he worked hard in addition to the privilege that Telford writes about. If I were Quinton, I would not take the knee simply to put such brain in intestines people in their place, considering what we know about his stance based on Lungani Zama's anecdotes. Edit: After de Kock’s statement. If I were him I would still not take the knee just because the board doesn’t like their image in the press and more importantly because journalists and public can’t put their brains before their keyboard. It should be up to common people to have patience and understand that similar views can be expressed in different ways. That’s when the world will improve.
I'm not finished with the video but it honestly seems like there is a lot of similar controversy with south african cricket as there is in south african rugby, especially during apartheid. Rebel tours, world cups, racism, transformation etc. Its pretty sad to see
Well done, I don't agree with all your comments but you did your homework. Number 1 problem is that our schooling system has been broken down completely by local government, our government schools use to produce a lot of top cricket players but now those schools don't even have cricket pitches anymore due to lackluster government intervention. Government puts no effort into school sports, luckily for us we have alot of good private schools and most of these private schools have predominately black kids but there is no drive to play cricket. Im merely just highlighting this issue as this issue shows that this has nothing to do with race but culture which im sure black people would start adopting overtime.
I would never do all this pandering. This doesn't prove your racist or not. I'm not white and if I was ever at that level I would never take a knee this is a gen z gen x new generation thing.
Very intelligent and interesting take. As a former black cricketer who was fortunate enough to play with non-racial squad baring a few, I always felt an added pressure to perform because of the color of my skin. Whilst there were obvious and apparent disadvantages, the benefit was that I could’ve comfortably said that I deserved my selection for any team but no matter how good I was, I was always known as a black cricketer instead of just a cricketer. Representation is important but it needs to be done correctly so that we have enough players of color in the squad but on merit that way we can avoid the stigma of being called a quota player.
Black lives matter, why just black lives? Why not native American or native Australian, why not Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh or Afghanistan. Why not the Dalit of India or north eastern Indian. They are all victim of racism one way or other.
He makes a mistake here. He says Intenational XI who took part in the first women's world cup had South Africans in it. It did not.Jamaica and Trinidad(who had ODI status back then) protested this cause of apartheid so the final squad had no South Africans in it.International XI was just ultimately a team made up of players who didnt get into their national team and player on the verge of retirement
I live in the US these days and I always thought it was a bad idea for cricket to take the knee. For me it is the symbol of an extreme far left movement and It was and remains massively divisive. Personally, I've never had a problem with the multitude of anti-rascist initiatives pro sports have pushed but the BLM protest was different and I think the intervening years have proved why. It was always disingenuous for sports administrators to claim it was just another normal anti-rascist gesture. IMHO thats not much different than US southerners brandishing the confederate flag and claiming its got nothing to do with racism.
South Africa is lucky cuz ppl are atleast talking abt the inequality of facilities among children. Not really sure if India will ever be a subject of such conversations.😔
yup Indian cricket system has improved but there are still fundamental issues of inequality of facilities specially among disadvantaged groups which are present. unfortunately it is part of Indian culture(common to Asian culture) to not talk about issues and talk positive all the time which will be a big roadblock. plus the fact that Indian cricket team is doing well so there is not much impetus on it
Anytime you're forced to make a gesture, it becomes completely meaningless. It can come across as not wanting to get in trouble. You must kneel! If you don't there'll be questions
As a SA and the history, no one should be forced! U must take the knee as a way to mend the past, Harry Enfield, German character is still apologetic for war 50 years on!
Being from South Africa I experienced this first hand. Cricket is a very white sport in South Africa and the school you go to greatly influences your likelihood of succeeding in cricket. Those schools are very expensive most black people don't get the necessary coaching, skills, opportunities, and so forth. The quota system has afforded more black people opportunities at every level and influenced the elite school to offer more scholaships.
I think it's for religious reasons anyway, full power to de Kock and I support his decision to not kneel it's his choice, making a gesture like that compulsory loses all its meaning
Entire Pakistan team did not take the knee and no-one criticized them and rightfully so... because everyone has their reasons and not taking the knee does not make them a racist. Quinton de Kock sacrificed his international cricket career for refusing to be forced to do something against his will. If Quinton did anything racist then 100% punish him. But I think supporting/not supporting a movement is not something to be imposed upon. I think this act of CSA will cause further division...like when they wished only Ngidi for IPL success. I don't think South Africa deserves players like Quinton de Kock, AB de Villiers, Faf du Plessis etc to play for them.
@@anshkapoor7134 yes unlike de Kock, pak had the option of not kneeling due to personal reasons. Everyone should have the right to decide what they want to do and not be forced.
Well forget India and Pakistan But South Africa needs to win a WC to gain the popularity like all WC winning teams get in their nation.., We all know how much deserving Africa is to any wc
Race wars in America isn't only relevant rights issue in the world. An individual has an absolute right to decide how he expresses his human empathies and what movements he takes seriously and what not. I believe Indian team taking a knee was an opportunistic shallow and hypocritical display too. As recently as this Navratri there were widespread attacks on minorities in Bangladesh, who paid any heed yo to that? Their persecution is graver and more difficult to reverse than African Americans treatment at the hands of American police.
How about how Dalits and minorities are treated in India? No one has ever taken a knee for them either. In terms of BLM, it is absolutely warranted. Not sure if you know how appallingly people from Africa have been treated in New Delhi - whenever they have been wrongly suspected of kidnapping and drug peddling. Without any trial, the general public has taken law into their own hands fueled by extreme xenophobia and utter ignorance.
@@ats2386 Entire Indian polity revolves around positive discrimination vis a vis Dalits and the rights of the marginalized. Treatment of minorities..? Are you kidding us? Muslim victimhood in India is one of the most fraudulent narrative to ever have been built in a democracy. One only needs to look at the places where demographics has tilted in their favor and how so called National Majority is treated there to know the exact picture. And yes mistreatment of blacks is an issue, doesn't make Indian teams gesture shallow and meaningless.
Worth noting that part of the issue with quotas is often young black players are forced into the wrong positions (more often in rugby) because their team thinks they have to have a black player so they'll stick them in wherever they have a gap, not where they're best suited. But this is an excellent analysis, I remember when in South Africa it was very obvious of the socioeconomic racial divide - white people still having the money and black people often in serving and lower paid roles. No surprise then when it takes money to make it in South African cricket that it benefits white people...
There are 3,5million whites in South Africa,out of a population of 60million.So how do you figure 7% of the population,after 26 year's of black government.Are still responsible.Or is this dead horse going to be flogged for ever and a day?
Well, there's no doubt that the main problem is within the system and it needs to be addressed but after the QDK incident, it shows that it still exists in dressing room even if you take a knee or not.
South Africa should be way way passed the issues of color and racism. First of all there are plenty back and plenty white players in the team and squad. Leading to my next point. Color is of little importance….. its the best players that need to play who should win for the country. Schools and education is not the whites problem. Since the black government has taken control of the country the country in general has gone backwards, and the ruling BlaCk party, has f..d.ed… up the opportunities to develop and improve. INSTEAD, South Africa coerces and forces racial quotas, and brings politics to sport. Wtf?
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) It's possible that he made this statement to not be removed from the team. But it's also possible that what he's saying is true, and the only reason he didn't sit on a knee before is because he thought he didn't need to prove that he's not racist, or that he thought it doesn't solve any problems.
A lot of people say that politics and sport should not mix, and while the idea is good in theory it is impossible in practice. I would like to give a small example. India and Bangladesh played their 1st day night test at Eden Gardens. In theory it was the 2nd test of a 2 match series. Run of the mill stuff. India had also won the 1st match by an innings so it was not like the game was likely to be a tense or difficult one(India had another innings victory). But since it was 'a big event", the PM of Bangladesh and the CM of West Bengal were there. Not gonna slander them too much but cricket is not something they are huge fans of. So they were there so make a political point. My point is that politicians use sporting events to further their cause, so athletes should definitely be allowed to make social and political statements while on the field.
Yes absolutely athletes should be allowed to make these statements, but a lot of people have a problem with being forced to make these statements. They may not even have a problem with the statements themselves, but many people have a problem with publicly showing their opinions and forcing them to do so makes it even weirder for them.
@@satyathota9546 A 100 percent agree. I just saw a few comments saying that athletes should stick to the game and not sully the games with these gestures. I was just trying to say that why that is not a practical solution.
You brought up something I didn't know and now See I see cricket in south Africa has the same base problem as Australian rugby union has and that's the lack of the sport in public(government schools) this really limits the potential talent pool. I also feel that they could potentially or should potentially remove quota for atleast their national side and maybe to boost numbers on the first class level bring in maybe a development 11 into their with a set longevity ie how Australia did with the ca 11 in the matador cup. this given more experience to younger talent and just have it as a coloured team. Could even run a tournament of teams of coloured from each state/provenance in south Africa run by the boards themselves in getting selected for the said international team. A lot of extra work I know but if you're Lil johnny and had a choice of playing soccer or a sport you can't see yourself in because their was just no one that looks like you or you're hearing like the Hollywood movies token black person you know what they will go to
Was I staying under the rock, not knowing about quota system in SA? Yes.. Brilliant video and an eye opener too..was it a good idea to mix sports and politics!? ICC should re think about this and keep cricket clean
i'm shocked at how quickly you made this video. Graphs, animations, article snippets, and a very concise script (do you even use a script? I feel like you are staring into my soul) all in such a short time. We are lucky to have Jarrod lead us into the light.
Bringing politics into sports simply causes it to become worse. Was cricket better with SA not playing non-white countries? No. Was cricket or rugby better without SA? No. Is cricket better for India and others not touring Pakistan? No. You allow one form of protest for whatever noble reason you think. You have to then allow it for other less noble reasons. As others have said, if you are forced to do something to allow you to play it has no meaning whatsoever. The only people who suffer here are SA and QdK team mates who no longer have a world class player in their team, and the fans of cricket who don't get to see one of the best players in the world play cricket for SA because he doesn't hold the same political views as CSA (i.e. SA government). QdK can go and start the T20 circus tour, earn a lot for not doing too much. We are seemingly not too far away from players having to disclose who they voted for. Simply to make sure they have the correct political opinions as determined by the chattering classes.
@@areez22 Muhammad shut up, u slave pxxx! As a Pakistani player I would never take the knee, but as Pakistani playing for SA, I would take both knees! Reason: what SA has committed against the blacks! QDK: he can retire or apologise!
The cricket world, in fact the whole world of sport, should be ashamed. Treating a player in this way is disgraceful Deluded minority groups like blm are constantly forcing their agenda in our faces and we have to comply otherwise we are wrong, we are racist. De Kock should withdraw his apology. He has nothing to apologize for. He's obviously been forced to apologize or be permanently withdrawn. It's a sad day for sport when it takes away an individual's freedom to have an opinion. He's a hero for not wanting to take part in this disgraceful gesture.
Good for QDK, not sure if the board can make the players perform a gesture or threaten them with exclusion as I doubt there is a mention of this in a South African contract. Why are sports stars still performing this silly gesture anyway, I thought this all started about a guy on drugs in America, what exactly has that to do with professional cricket? I will say there is very good info about South African cricket generally in this vid.
I think most of them just don't have the balls to turn around and say no like QDK (and Pakistan). Anyone who wants to can look up what Black Lives Matter actually stands for as a political movement, it's all stated on their website. They're not some fluffy group who just want the world to be a better place.
@@joshforde698 True, many would be just conforming. Pakistan did put hands on their hearts though. QdK rejected everything. And I stand with Quinton de Kock. By the way, their website isn't really that bad.
im a suppoorter off all black people playing sport as it increases our chances of finding better players, but as I said in my previous comment that black kids generally speaking dont find cricket as attractive but our government is shit, most of our olympic players train overseas in our different sporting disciplines, I mean our hockey team won african nations but government refused to send them to the Olympics because they don't recognize the sport I mean seriously. Other issues in our country that most people dont hear or live through as that we as white people are a minority is a twist from the norm as normally black people are a minority. Our Government officials would often talk about white genocide or that they not calling for the killing of white people for now. Alot to take in but this issue is far greater than cricket
I love your videos, you are an incredible journalist. AND I appreciate you taking a different angle on this, other than QDK is a piece of garbage one. Should anyone be forced to kneel, bow down, just because their bosses tell them to? The world has become so self-aware, every business in the world needs to be politicized. Every sports team needs to agree or conform to the opinion of the current ideology. The BLM movement being the most obvious, or changing your marketing to a rainbow flag or preaching to men through Gilette razor adds. From racism to sexism, to patriarchy, to comedy, to children's programs... if there isn't a social justice mandate running through every sector of society then surely I have lost my mind. Maybe QDK is just saying... it's time to stop blaming the current generation for the past generation's mistakes. Maybe QDK is saying I am not a racist, I was born with this talent why should I be made to accept guilt for the way other people treat marginalized societies. Maybe QDK is just saying I play cricket and I won't be the tool to push any message - his personal choice. Maybe a group of WI players being paid handsomely for plying their trade UNRESTRICTED around the world has accidentally cost another man his right to represent his country because they have forced him to kneel or else. Or maybe he is a racist. All I know is, I am white, I am not a racist, but tomorrow someone might ask me to do something I don't want to and if I don't, I will be made a social pariah for not complying.
I was honestly going on De Kock's side but after knowing the history it seems like a scummy thing to do what De Kock did. Well done on the video btw. The best cricket TH-camr imo.🙌🏽
the BLM movement, and the history of SA, are to mutually exclusive issues. BLM is not an anti-racist movement, it is pro-racist and has conned half the world, incuding yourself, with its lies.
Sure we need representation, but a Gianis story can’t happen if the government doesn’t get the broadcasting rights on public television, for the World Cup (the biggest tournament) so you defeated the purpose already. I wish we had a moneyball cricket mind like you, and government would just stay out it, even if it’s just two years. Going back to your point about the grass roots, there’s something that rings true in SENA countries, cricket is just not as accessible as soccer, even someone like me lucky enough to be in a semi-government that offered cricket, I was never touched by the game because of its “posh exterior”. Only eventually got hooked after high school from playing in gardens. It’s not accessible because there’s no street cricket or gully cricket like the subcontinent, even if something like those maidans in Mumbai were in marginalised areas, cricket would prosper. Actually took me half a year just to organise street cricket on a weekly basis, where people show up.
I support #quintondecock fully. The way I see it, he took a stand against political involvement in a sport that is supposed to be neutral, as are all sports. He was forced out for disagreeing with the poiticians. #alllivesmatter I mentioned my support for his decision on r/SouthAfrica on Reddit. The moderators deleted the post.
@@sahanavica.5574 oh, I watched the entire video. But I stick to my original comment. Black. White. Asian. Chinese. Green with Yellow Polka Dots. It doesn't matter. Racism is not about everyone else against Black. Racism affects everyone, which is what the message is supposed to be. #alllivesmatter
@@sahanavica.5574 Dude he may have taken things from the video, bold of you to assume he didn't. A lot of people see sport that way, and in certain sporting cultures in certain countries that view is accepted. Jarrod's video just shows that South Africa is a different place from other cricket nations, and thus may not be easy to confirm that premise.
Problem in kneeling is that it will attract other reasons for protest, which the ICC/MCC may not allow citing political motives. Moeen Ali was reprimanded for 'save gaza' Dhoni's 'army insignia' on gloves was disallowed. I may sound rude, but kneeling is very specific to the BLM, rather than No racism, Fair play broader umbrella Edit: I know my views don't support the contents of this video. All I want to say is: kneeling is a gimmick, without actually intending to cause any change. Else, Afghanistan would be banned from cricket same way as south africa till '92
Dont understand what people have against a gesture displaying a united stance against racism. People saying you shouldn't be forced to support a movement confuse me. This is about human rights.
"TRUTH" like always News and Social media tries to manipulate the truth! Saying that Quinton will not take a knee "AGAINST RACISM" which is false. Quinton along most white South African support sports against racism (ALL RACES), but they will not support or take a knee for a RACIST MOVEMENT like BLM.
Great reading between the lines. Getting to the root of the problem rather than scratching the surface. Excellent video Jarrod
This was exactly what I needed to understand the whole issue at hand. Thanks for making this.
This is a high quality, well researched video. Brilliantly done. 👏
Terrific content Jarrod 💯 going to the root of it and making things clear. Keep going
Ur videos are weirdly addictive ;I can't skip them
Thanks Jarrod for the amazing videos you put. And this one probably is the most important one.
Fantastic work Jarrod. Very refreshing to see a cricket analyst bring a social justice perspective to cricket analysis. I'm impressed with your worldview.
Fantastic video explaining the history and importance of these issues. Must watch for any cricket lover or interest in South African sport.
This is brilliant Jarrod. Passionate, well articulated and brilliantly researched. Really getting into the nuances of the issue at stake.
Great piece Jarrod.
Hope QDK comes out with his side of the story and the Saffers can make some systemic changes in their selection procedures and grassroots player trainings
Jarrod! You’re a gem mate. Thank you.
Being from the US, every time I see the initials CSA I think, Confederate States of America.
This is the most lucid defense of why it's necessary to bring the ghosts of the past to the forefront. Thank you for delving into the history to give what is going on now the proper context outside of knee-jerk political posturing. If people can't come to terms with past indiscretions, it allows individuals the permission to perpetuate the same mindset that caused the problem in the first place.
This is not about quotas or kneeling or even the future of Cricket in SA. It about respecting everyone as a human being by treating them with an inalienable right to basic decency. As a professional sportsman you depend on your teammates, they should bee able to depend on you. To do otherwise is, to turn a phrase, simply not Cricket.
Not everyone sees the kneeling or actually anything associated with BLM the same way, the way you see it as being against racism.
@@areez22 OK, well doesn't really address anything I said, but thank you for the reply :)
@@rldement Your comment was not very specific, so I wrote what I wrote to present a stance I want to.
"It is about respecting everyone as a human being by treating them with an inalienable right to basic decency".
Does the "everyone" you refer to include people who refuse to take the knee for cultural, religious, political or personal reasons?
@@jaymeister4850 Absolutely but if not “taking a knee" is being turned into some kind of heroic protest, the question becomes what exactly is he protesting by his refusal? What cultural, religious, political or personal reason cultural, religious, political or personal reason was served by not taking a knee? He said he felt like his rights were being taken away. OK well does he feel that same way about everyone having to wear that same uniform, or follow other tram rules? No this was the hill he wanted to die on and he missed a Cricket game for it. Not exactly a death sentence, and exactly the same sanction he would have gotten for not wearing the required uniform or not conforming to other team decisions.
Jarrod laid out how team CSA still has issues with recruiting players. I don’t see that people of De Kock's ilk are being deprived of getting the opportunity to play the game and get themselves in front of selectors. Compared to that problem, being asked to take a ceremonial knee to shine a dimmest of lights on the issue is not in the same galaxy as being deprived of the opportunity to compete in the first place.
That is the basic decency I’m referring to. You are trying to compare being systematically denied the opportunity to compete for a spot on the national team to an individual making a decision to not follow a team rule. These two things are not equivalent and De Cock is not being treated without basic decency, his spot on the team is the proof of that.
I rarely comment on TH-cam videos, even those that I enjoyed watching, but your video was so insightful, based on such deep research, and so impassioned in its argument that I couldn't not comment. This is exactly the sort of journalism and commentary cricket needs. This is exactly life-long viewers of the game need to know more about. I hope you will continue to make videos of this sort.
Your son is adorable! glad to see slight change in intro. I assume you have told him what Last Knock means😀
So what does it mean? And yes, when was the first knock and rest of all the knocks?
Absolutely brilliant content💯. The research conducted here is of the top drawer. Thank you so much ✊🏾
New intro 😄👍🏼
Your doing a wonderful job Jarrod.
My compliments for the quality and power of your telling.
Inspiring work. Thank you, Jarrod.
Very well put together video for such a massively complex topic. Well done Jarrod.
One of your best shows ever.
Jarrod Kimber: KUDOS to you. Great piece! Goes WAY beyond cricket. Your best, overall piece, in terms of conceptual and human impact. Hope as many as possible listen to your whole piece.
As a South African I really appreciate the research that went into this. This is absolutely brilliant.
What a great video. I was presenting the exact same argument while debating with a friend on this topic.
Exceptional work here mate 👌🏾
quotas for upliftment are like double edged swords,
it helps a lot of downtrodden people,
however , it tends to make the downtrodden "permanent" in the minds of others, people start discounting them even if theyre highly skilled people.
And enjoying the quotas, the "downtrodden" now want to be "downtrodden" forever
Other problem is that the downtrodden people who improved their condition continue using these quotas and slowly downtrodden people whose conditions haven't improved stop getting benefits because it becomes harder for them to compete with already established people.
Quotas base on religion, race, sex, caste etc will not help anyone. It will create more division like reservation and affirmative action in India and US respectively.
@@giriprasadkotte9876 That's hilariously stupid, no they don't
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Okay, Lana del Rio
Brilliant Video Jarrod
What an brilliant video. You've gained a subscriber for life in me. So insightful and well researched. It's amazing how you can understand the nuances our sporting history/reality better than probably 90% of South Africans do.
Such a good video. Thanks for explaining the situation clearly. Also I find people very easily forget that people who were living in Apartheid are still alive right now, it wasn't that far back.
Wow, I learned a lot from this. You deserve a subscribe and a like.
new intro!!
Yoo when people talk about my home I get very defensive. However this time the guy is spot on. Need to develop cricket for lesser economic communities.🇿🇦
I think the quota system needs to be reduced and modified, otherwise SA will continue to lose great White talent. Any grass-roots improvement will bear fruit eventually. Forcing it isn't necessary.
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) Sure. They're saying that more cricket development opportunities should be available for more South Africans.
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) Ja but the talent is white cause they can afford to send their kids to private school. Cricket is an elitist sport. Always has been.
First! Love your videos Jarrod!
Great video, well done 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾
Well done!
A white South African not kneeling shocked me. Although we can't force people to kneel, its definitely insensitive.
On the other hand, some strongly feel sports should be light and un-politicised.
It is a complex topic, but de Kock should have kneeled considering his nation's history.
I thought maybe he was against BLM. Many reasons to be.
Anoop yaar, wonderful. That’s what I wanted to say! Pakistan / India don’t need to take the knee! Reason: our racism is against every colour, human being, animals! We r a nation who enjoy taunts!
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False equivalence. White people did not go through Apartheid. Black people did.
@@daddashikamani The vast majority of those Black people migrated from all parts of Africa to be part of South Africa under the Whites. Bad things would have happened too, sure.
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Lets accept the argument most people in modern day SA never spent time under Apartheid. But, there are substantial number of people who did.
Reverse racism is as bad as Racism. A white SA kneeling doesn't have to mean he is condoning violence against whites.
Terrific insights
In my opinion people have to choose to join in taking the knee of their own free will. The imposition of a requirement through coercion negates the symbolic power because the people on their knees aren't making a stand for what they believe in but doing so in fear of not retaining their employment. That robs the act of it's meaning.
I think it's profoundly meaningful when people choose to do it but if they don't then that's OK as well. 🙂
Absolutely 💯 when teams across world are participating in a sports, no need to invoke political organization like BLM. U cannot dictate what players should do. There are several type of hates going on throughout the world, racism is not the only one. And importantly, in recent times racism is almost non existent systematically and actual racists are very rare nowadays.
But in this case he just outed himself. So, he can have an opinion, but not as part of the team.
@@reyblais4858 he can have an opinion as part of team. Kneeling down is just political statement. Some people doesn't like these kinda things. I completely condemn racism but I will never support any political institutions like BLM. In football many Black players rejected to take knee in name of BLM.
@@rockymaniaster everything is political, it's literally countries playing sports
@@reyblais4858 LoL 🤣 politics and sports are 2 different entities 🤦 situations are different in every country and so are politics but sports are played same everywhere.
Great video!
In an article from Telford Vice ,
“It was all too much for De Kock, who put his knees where his mouth is. Or will be once - or even if - he enlightens us about his decision. He can afford that choice. *As a special player who has been able to realise his potential because he was born the right colour in a country that still puts whiteness on so many pedestals, his path to cricket's biggest stages has not been blocked.* He could thus follow AB de Villiers and run away to join the travelling T20 circus. But at what cost to his country, his team and his own psyche?”
Not because he worked hard in addition to the privilege that Telford writes about. If I were Quinton, I would not take the knee simply to put such brain in intestines people in their place, considering what we know about his stance based on Lungani Zama's anecdotes.
Edit: After de Kock’s statement. If I were him I would still not take the knee just because the board doesn’t like their image in the press and more importantly because journalists and public can’t put their brains before their keyboard. It should be up to common people to have patience and understand that similar views can be expressed in different ways. That’s when the world will improve.
Your comment is ambiguous, as it was unclear where the article's words ended and yours began. Otherwise, I agree with you.
@@areez22 fixed
I'm not finished with the video but it honestly seems like there is a lot of similar controversy with south african cricket as there is in south african rugby, especially during apartheid. Rebel tours, world cups, racism, transformation etc. Its pretty sad to see
Well done, I don't agree with all your comments but you did your homework. Number 1 problem is that our schooling system has been broken down completely by local government, our government schools use to produce a lot of top cricket players but now those schools don't even have cricket pitches anymore due to lackluster government intervention. Government puts no effort into school sports, luckily for us we have alot of good private schools and most of these private schools have predominately black kids but there is no drive to play cricket. Im merely just highlighting this issue as this issue shows that this has nothing to do with race but culture which im sure black people would start adopting overtime.
I think this might be the best video you've done, right up there with the Mustafizur the wizz video
I would never do all this pandering. This doesn't prove your racist or not. I'm not white and if I was ever at that level I would never take a knee this is a gen z gen x new generation thing.
Change in intro! Amazing ❤️❤️❤️❤️
phenomenal, a must watch for cricket fans.
Very informative and a balanced take. Can't imagine how much work goes into your videos!
Injustices of the past don't require you to make bad decisions today.
Very intelligent and interesting take. As a former black cricketer who was fortunate enough to play with non-racial squad baring a few, I always felt an added pressure to perform because of the color of my skin. Whilst there were obvious and apparent disadvantages, the benefit was that I could’ve comfortably said that I deserved my selection for any team but no matter how good I was, I was always known as a black cricketer instead of just a cricketer. Representation is important but it needs to be done correctly so that we have enough players of color in the squad but on merit that way we can avoid the stigma of being called a quota player.
Black lives matter, why just black lives? Why not native American or native Australian, why not Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh or Afghanistan. Why not the Dalit of India or north eastern Indian. They are all victim of racism one way or other.
He makes a mistake here. He says Intenational XI who took part in the first women's world cup had South Africans in it. It did not.Jamaica and Trinidad(who had ODI status back then) protested this cause of apartheid so the final squad had no South Africans in it.International XI was just ultimately a team made up of players who didnt get into their national team and player on the verge of retirement
Love the intro. Once more.
Exact pblm with elite institutes and jobs in India
How so? Describe briefly. I think anyone can get into elite colleges.
I live in the US these days and I always thought it was a bad idea for cricket to take the knee. For me it is the symbol of an extreme far left movement and It was and remains massively divisive.
Personally, I've never had a problem with the multitude of anti-rascist initiatives pro sports have pushed but the BLM protest was different and I think the intervening years have proved why. It was always disingenuous for sports administrators to claim it was just another normal anti-rascist gesture. IMHO thats not much different than US southerners brandishing the confederate flag and claiming its got nothing to do with racism.
A video on popularity of cricket.
How it is decreasing/increasing?
Always fun to hear ppl try and pronounce Antetokounmpo
the new video with your son is cute...
Hence my question
What is the first Knock
what is the last knock?
any knocks in the middle?
South Africa is lucky cuz ppl are atleast talking abt the inequality of facilities among children. Not really sure if India will ever be a subject of such conversations.😔
yup Indian cricket system has improved but there are still fundamental issues of inequality of facilities specially among disadvantaged groups which are present. unfortunately it is part of Indian culture(common to Asian culture) to not talk about issues and talk positive all the time which will be a big roadblock. plus the fact that Indian cricket team is doing well so there is not much impetus on it
Great video.
Anytime you're forced to make a gesture, it becomes completely meaningless. It can come across as not wanting to get in trouble. You must kneel! If you don't there'll be questions
As a SA and the history, no one should be forced! U must take the knee as a way to mend the past, Harry Enfield, German character is still apologetic for war 50 years on!
How did I get here so early
This is such phenomenal work Jarrod! Thanks for being so thoughtful and well-researched- makes my day!
Being from South Africa I experienced this first hand. Cricket is a very white sport in South Africa and the school you go to greatly influences your likelihood of succeeding in cricket. Those schools are very expensive most black people don't get the necessary coaching, skills, opportunities, and so forth. The quota system has afforded more black people opportunities at every level and influenced the elite school to offer more scholaships.
I think it's for religious reasons
anyway, full power to de Kock and I support his decision to not kneel
it's his choice, making a gesture like that compulsory loses all its meaning
Agree
Entire Pakistan team did not take the knee and no-one criticized them and rightfully so... because everyone has their reasons and not taking the knee does not make them a racist. Quinton de Kock sacrificed his international cricket career for refusing to be forced to do something against his will. If Quinton did anything racist then 100% punish him. But I think supporting/not supporting a movement is not something to be imposed upon. I think this act of CSA will cause further division...like when they wished only Ngidi for IPL success. I don't think South Africa deserves players like Quinton de Kock, AB de Villiers, Faf du Plessis etc to play for them.
Nice point brother . And this is same board which refused to do this when this movement started .
Also Bangladesh & Sri Lanka didn't bend the Knee....
Pakistan team showed support by putting their hand over their heart. Due to religious reasons they did not take a knee.
@@anshkapoor7134 yes unlike de Kock, pak had the option of not kneeling due to personal reasons. Everyone should have the right to decide what they want to do and not be forced.
@@Antony209 yes their personal reasons were respected...not de Kock's...sad to see
Well forget India and Pakistan But South Africa needs to win a WC to gain the popularity like all WC winning teams get in their nation.., We all know how much deserving Africa is to any wc
Very well balanced, unbiased and evidence-based review. Well done!
Race wars in America isn't only relevant rights issue in the world. An individual has an absolute right to decide how he expresses his human empathies and what movements he takes seriously and what not.
I believe Indian team taking a knee was an opportunistic shallow and hypocritical display too. As recently as this Navratri there were widespread attacks on minorities in Bangladesh, who paid any heed yo to that? Their persecution is graver and more difficult to reverse than African Americans treatment at the hands of American police.
How about how Dalits and minorities are treated in India? No one has ever taken a knee for them either. In terms of BLM, it is absolutely warranted. Not sure if you know how appallingly people from Africa have been treated in New Delhi - whenever they have been wrongly suspected of kidnapping and drug peddling. Without any trial, the general public has taken law into their own hands fueled by extreme xenophobia and utter ignorance.
@@ats2386 Entire Indian polity revolves around positive discrimination vis a vis Dalits and the rights of the marginalized. Treatment of minorities..? Are you kidding us? Muslim victimhood in India is one of the most fraudulent narrative to ever have been built in a democracy. One only needs to look at the places where demographics has tilted in their favor and how so called National Majority is treated there to know the exact picture.
And yes mistreatment of blacks is an issue, doesn't make Indian teams gesture shallow and meaningless.
Worth noting that part of the issue with quotas is often young black players are forced into the wrong positions (more often in rugby) because their team thinks they have to have a black player so they'll stick them in wherever they have a gap, not where they're best suited. But this is an excellent analysis, I remember when in South Africa it was very obvious of the socioeconomic racial divide - white people still having the money and black people often in serving and lower paid roles. No surprise then when it takes money to make it in South African cricket that it benefits white people...
There are 3,5million whites in South Africa,out of a population of 60million.So how do you figure 7% of the population,after 26 year's of black government.Are still responsible.Or is this dead horse going to be flogged for ever and a day?
@@graemebartmann7872 who said anything about ‘responsible’?
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) Ah so you are a racist? Sports don't have race, anyone can play them
Fire total CSA management including team management.
Well, there's no doubt that the main problem is within the system and it needs to be addressed but after the QDK incident, it shows that it still exists in dressing room even if you take a knee or not.
South Africa should be way way passed the issues of color and racism.
First of all there are plenty back and plenty white players in the team and squad.
Leading to my next point. Color is of little importance….. its the best players that need to play who should win for the country.
Schools and education is not the whites problem. Since the black government has taken control of the country the country in general has gone backwards, and the ruling BlaCk party, has f..d.ed… up the opportunities to develop and improve.
INSTEAD, South Africa coerces and forces racial quotas, and brings politics to sport. Wtf?
the fact that only whites can afford to go to these schools has nothing to do with history of whites there?
Are you really that stupid or you just don't know?
@@Kehlalam Present your case.
Thanks for sharing your view. A good perspective I didn't consider.
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) It's possible that he made this statement to not be removed from the team. But it's also possible that what he's saying is true, and the only reason he didn't sit on a knee before is because he thought he didn't need to prove that he's not racist, or that he thought it doesn't solve any problems.
We all know how Baby shark once in your mind, never leaves.
New intro 👍
A lot of people say that politics and sport should not mix, and while the idea is good in theory it is impossible in practice. I would like to give a small example. India and Bangladesh played their 1st day night test at Eden Gardens. In theory it was the 2nd test of a 2 match series. Run of the mill stuff. India had also won the 1st match by an innings so it was not like the game was likely to be a tense or difficult one(India had another innings victory). But since it was 'a big event", the PM of Bangladesh and the CM of West Bengal were there. Not gonna slander them too much but cricket is not something they are huge fans of. So they were there so make a political point. My point is that politicians use sporting events to further their cause, so athletes should definitely be allowed to make social and political statements while on the field.
Yes absolutely athletes should be allowed to make these statements, but a lot of people have a problem with being forced to make these statements. They may not even have a problem with the statements themselves, but many people have a problem with publicly showing their opinions and forcing them to do so makes it even weirder for them.
@@satyathota9546 A 100 percent agree. I just saw a few comments saying that athletes should stick to the game and not sully the games with these gestures. I was just trying to say that why that is not a practical solution.
Where can I get this t-shirt??
thanks for educating us , i could never have imagined schooling is a factor.
You brought up something I didn't know and now See I see cricket in south Africa has the same base problem as Australian rugby union has and that's the lack of the sport in public(government schools) this really limits the potential talent pool. I also feel that they could potentially or should potentially remove quota for atleast their national side and maybe to boost numbers on the first class level bring in maybe a development 11 into their with a set longevity ie how Australia did with the ca 11 in the matador cup. this given more experience to younger talent and just have it as a coloured team. Could even run a tournament of teams of coloured from each state/provenance in south Africa run by the boards themselves in getting selected for the said international team. A lot of extra work I know but if you're Lil johnny and had a choice of playing soccer or a sport you can't see yourself in because their was just no one that looks like you or you're hearing like the Hollywood movies token black person you know what they will go to
Since you have mentioned Marx, this video is like a proper materialist analysis of SA Cricket history.
It was irrelevant to his analysis. He mentioned Marxism as one of the things people dislike BLM for.
great video.
Was I staying under the rock, not knowing about quota system in SA? Yes.. Brilliant video and an eye opener too..was it a good idea to mix sports and politics!? ICC should re think about this and keep cricket clean
i'm shocked at how quickly you made this video. Graphs, animations, article snippets, and a very concise script (do you even use a script? I feel like you are staring into my soul) all in such a short time. We are lucky to have Jarrod lead us into the light.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
@@TheGeorgeous Wow. Can you describe the meaning behind that poem? I saw it once before in that infamous manifesto.
Is this the reason for not picking AB, Faf or Tahir in t20 squad?
AB and Tahir said they retired from international cricket.
But Faf should be in the squad, especially given his IPL performance.
Bringing politics into sports simply causes it to become worse. Was cricket better with SA not playing non-white countries? No. Was cricket or rugby better without SA? No. Is cricket better for India and others not touring Pakistan? No. You allow one form of protest for whatever noble reason you think. You have to then allow it for other less noble reasons.
As others have said, if you are forced to do something to allow you to play it has no meaning whatsoever. The only people who suffer here are SA and QdK team mates who no longer have a world class player in their team, and the fans of cricket who don't get to see one of the best players in the world play cricket for SA because he doesn't hold the same political views as CSA (i.e. SA government). QdK can go and start the T20 circus tour, earn a lot for not doing too much.
We are seemingly not too far away from players having to disclose who they voted for. Simply to make sure they have the correct political opinions as determined by the chattering classes.
I agree with you. I stand with Quinton de Kock.
@@areez22 Muhammad shut up, u slave pxxx! As a Pakistani player I would never take the knee, but as Pakistani playing for SA, I would take both knees! Reason: what SA has committed against the blacks! QDK: he can retire or apologise!
Asifuni ukuguqa 🇿🇦
Sure. I'm curious why?
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) Great. I thought the guy would be non-White so I wanted his input
The thing is their is a lot most native black Africans that play soccer and a lot more white European descendants play rugby cricket is a grey line
A change in intro
Antetokumpo idk the spelling 😂 is beast
The cricket world, in fact the whole world of sport, should be ashamed. Treating a player in this way is disgraceful
Deluded minority groups like blm are constantly forcing their agenda in our faces and we have to comply otherwise we are wrong, we are racist. De Kock should withdraw his apology. He has nothing to apologize for. He's obviously been forced to apologize or be permanently withdrawn. It's a sad day for sport when it takes away an individual's freedom to have an opinion. He's a hero for not wanting to take part in this disgraceful gesture.
Your boy is so cute😍
Good for QDK, not sure if the board can make the players perform a gesture or threaten them with exclusion as I doubt there is a mention of this in a South African contract. Why are sports stars still performing this silly gesture anyway, I thought this all started about a guy on drugs in America, what exactly has that to do with professional cricket?
I will say there is very good info about South African cricket generally in this vid.
They are trying to be part of a BLM movement, which is said to be for anti-racism. This is what I've understood so far.
I think most of them just don't have the balls to turn around and say no like QDK (and Pakistan). Anyone who wants to can look up what Black Lives Matter actually stands for as a political movement, it's all stated on their website. They're not some fluffy group who just want the world to be a better place.
@@joshforde698 True, many would be just conforming. Pakistan did put hands on their hearts though. QdK rejected everything. And I stand with Quinton de Kock. By the way, their website isn't really that bad.
@@joshforde698 I'm aware of the bad things about BLM
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) India did, their players were all right own on their knees.
Mindue the few paying schools know what they are doing. I need no proof of this than Trott.
im a suppoorter off all black people playing sport as it increases our chances of finding better players, but as I said in my previous comment that black kids generally speaking dont find cricket as attractive but our government is shit, most of our olympic players train overseas in our different sporting disciplines, I mean our hockey team won african nations but government refused to send them to the Olympics because they don't recognize the sport I mean seriously. Other issues in our country that most people dont hear or live through as that we as white people are a minority is a twist from the norm as normally black people are a minority. Our Government officials would often talk about white genocide or that they not calling for the killing of white people for now. Alot to take in but this issue is far greater than cricket
I love your videos, you are an incredible journalist. AND I appreciate you taking a different angle on this, other than QDK is a piece of garbage one. Should anyone be forced to kneel, bow down, just because their bosses tell them to? The world has become so self-aware, every business in the world needs to be politicized. Every sports team needs to agree or conform to the opinion of the current ideology. The BLM movement being the most obvious, or changing your marketing to a rainbow flag or preaching to men through Gilette razor adds. From racism to sexism, to patriarchy, to comedy, to children's programs... if there isn't a social justice mandate running through every sector of society then surely I have lost my mind. Maybe QDK is just saying... it's time to stop blaming the current generation for the past generation's mistakes. Maybe QDK is saying I am not a racist, I was born with this talent why should I be made to accept guilt for the way other people treat marginalized societies. Maybe QDK is just saying I play cricket and I won't be the tool to push any message - his personal choice. Maybe a group of WI players being paid handsomely for plying their trade UNRESTRICTED around the world has accidentally cost another man his right to represent his country because they have forced him to kneel or else. Or maybe he is a racist. All I know is, I am white, I am not a racist, but tomorrow someone might ask me to do something I don't want to and if I don't, I will be made a social pariah for not complying.
accept guilt and showing solidarity for a pertinent and important social issue are two different things mate
I was honestly going on De Kock's side but after knowing the history it seems like a scummy thing to do what De Kock did.
Well done on the video btw. The best cricket TH-camr imo.🙌🏽
Disagree. I stand with Quinton de Kock
the BLM movement, and the history of SA, are to mutually exclusive issues. BLM is not an anti-racist movement, it is pro-racist and has conned half the world, incuding yourself, with its lies.
@@technobotpc Elaborate on how BLM is pro-racist.
Sure we need representation, but a Gianis story can’t happen if the government doesn’t get the broadcasting rights on public television, for the World Cup (the biggest tournament) so you defeated the purpose already. I wish we had a moneyball cricket mind like you, and government would just stay out it, even if it’s just two years.
Going back to your point about the grass roots, there’s something that rings true in SENA countries, cricket is just not as accessible as soccer, even someone like me lucky enough to be in a semi-government that offered cricket, I was never touched by the game because of its “posh exterior”. Only eventually got hooked after high school from playing in gardens. It’s not accessible because there’s no street cricket or gully cricket like the subcontinent, even if something like those maidans in Mumbai were in marginalised areas, cricket would prosper. Actually took me half a year just to organise street cricket on a weekly basis, where people show up.
Funny how such a jam packed densely populated place like Mumbai has space for cricket but the vastly open sparsely populated South Africa doesn't.
Glad he’s apologised but it doesn’t mean he’s not a racist
Kimber?
I support #quintondecock fully. The way I see it, he took a stand against political involvement in a sport that is supposed to be neutral, as are all sports. He was forced out for disagreeing with the poiticians.
#alllivesmatter
I mentioned my support for his decision on r/SouthAfrica on Reddit. The moderators deleted the post.
Not that surprising given how tone deaf you present yourself as, and how you took nothing onbaord that Jarrod brought up in this video.
@@sahanavica.5574 oh, I watched the entire video. But I stick to my original comment. Black. White. Asian. Chinese. Green with Yellow Polka Dots. It doesn't matter.
Racism is not about everyone else against Black. Racism affects everyone, which is what the message is supposed to be.
#alllivesmatter
@@dzomlija Like I said, you took nothing onboard from the video.
@@sahanavica.5574 Dude he may have taken things from the video, bold of you to assume he didn't. A lot of people see sport that way, and in certain sporting cultures in certain countries that view is accepted. Jarrod's video just shows that South Africa is a different place from other cricket nations, and thus may not be easy to confirm that premise.
@@sahanavica.5574 You didn't understand the commentor's message.
Thanks for not putting that 45 minutes' ad in the middle
Problem in kneeling is that it will attract other reasons for protest, which the ICC/MCC may not allow citing political motives.
Moeen Ali was reprimanded for 'save gaza'
Dhoni's 'army insignia' on gloves was disallowed.
I may sound rude, but kneeling is very specific to the BLM, rather than No racism, Fair play broader umbrella
Edit: I know my views don't support the contents of this video. All I want to say is: kneeling is a gimmick, without actually intending to cause any change. Else, Afghanistan would be banned from cricket same way as south africa till '92
Why Afghanistan though?
And I completely agree with your view
Dont understand what people have against a gesture displaying a united stance against racism. People saying you shouldn't be forced to support a movement confuse me. This is about human rights.
"TRUTH" like always News and Social media tries to manipulate the truth! Saying that Quinton will not take a knee "AGAINST RACISM" which is false. Quinton along most white South African support sports against racism (ALL RACES), but they will not support or take a knee for a RACIST MOVEMENT like BLM.
@@truthrevealed8765 BLM isn't a racist movement, but most people who say that tend to hate black people...
@@saoirsedeltufo7436 You've only seen one side of the argument
@@areez22 Are you suggesting I should look at the racist side of the argument now?
@@saoirsedeltufo7436 Name-calling won't do you any good
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