Best RATES explanation on the net so far, hands down. I've watched them all, but this has been the most insightful. Thank you for taking the time to teach us!
Going back, I never paid much attention to my rates, always flew defaults. Lol now I’m going back with knowledge. Time to get “my” stick feel dialed! My dude, the time and effort spent making this was was totally worth it. 🤜🤛 thanks bud!
@@TimmyRC have you made any for filtering i have a 2-4s aio 35A and 1204 4500kv 2-4s iflight motors and on 4s 450mah start jumping and fly way go up like if i do a punchout it flies good on 3s 450mah only on 4s does that
Not exactly sure what you are asking, but I don't "tune" the throttle curve. If you are asking about throttle management in terms of pilot skill, I have an Advanced Trick Theory episode on the subject: th-cam.com/video/SLu1n9Lu87w/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your in depth discussion about how to adjust rates. Your discussion about maintaining your rates as you adjust for stick feel was particularly helpful. I am going to use your process over the next few days
Man thanks so much for making this video. Very easy to understand from someone who knew nothing. Now I can fix all my problems and take some of the stuff that didn't fly well off my back shelf. I understand everything you said, now I just have to play around with them. 👍👍👍
hello again! it had been a while since i needed this info. It took me a minute to find you again, but i got you locked in now. best information out htere for this guy. explained clearly and simply ,,, its pretty complex/ way to go, thank you so much!!
Thanks a lot, just started flying FPV in uncrashed sim and at the point where I need to understand how to get a better feel on the drone.. Very helpful info!
That was a masterclass in presenting and explaining a technical topic young man. First class. I have just got into FPV, I have a protek 35 and all I want is slow gentle cinematic flying with gentle curves the kind you see when flying over corn fields. I guess i need to set my rats so I have a very flat S. I dont need to do flips and loops, but I hope to learn a split S turn/dive at least. For now I have just adjusted my throttle to scale 65%
Thank you Tim for making this video, as It was just what I needed to understand how to tune PIDs. I assure you from both myself and others commenting here your time was not wasted. Great job!!
Finally someone explain more than he talks. I was so bored listening to all those who just talk and throw some numbers and words and do nothing. Thanks man and good job
Hi, very good video and explanations about the rate. I will definitely recommande it to people around me doing FPV. Even if they are advanced pilots. Cheers.
I think this is the best I have ever heard rates explained. Great video!! I’ve been using the same rates for almost six months. They work well for me but mid stick is to sensitive and I have to use a crazy yaw rate of 1300 degrees. due to the arthritis in my left hand I can’t hit full stick on yaw. I finally have a method of fine tuning my rates. Thank you.
Thank you. This is an interesting way to describe now to tune the rates. I had never thought about using Super Rate first to determine the degrees per second before fine tuning everything else. Makes sense.
Very impressed and now educated - I was a dummy until I watched this video 👍 Betaflight has got so good at tuning PID's I totally forgot about the rates. I need that little bit of extra snappy at the end of my sticks as the standard BF tune is just a tad too slow for me when flying freestyle (but fantastic in long range). New sub here so keep the great videos coming 👍👍👍
Thanks for picking up the suggestion! Again a great intro for pilots of all levels. I almost got bored on the first part because I already understood what the values technically do but I really learned the idea of mid-stick curve later! ... p.s.: I'm a thumber so my rates will be very different from the average freestyle claw ;-)
Very nice! Really good job! I’ve really enjoyed the practical elements of this tutorial. Many thanks! I must say that I’ve made my way up from whoops to 3’’ to 5’’. And now I’m re-learning to pilot to counteract the weight. I’m sure that some adjustments in the rates will help. I admit to have used those of my toothpicks!
@@TimmyRC I can quite honestly say that the drone was being prepared for a final destination to the electronics recycling centre and, by using your advice, I have been able to tune and get the ' little darling thing' to get off the ground and hovering at an almost level .
Thanks! I prefer not to share my rates because they will not feel the same on a different setup using a different PID tune and transmitter. I do use the same rates on all of my quads, but it is worth noting that I only fly 6 inch freestyle quads.
Just what I was looking for!!, thanks, ill keep this one on my re-watch list until I find my ideal rates... PS: for what you explained, it seems like rates should probably be changing with you as you grow as a pilot, don't they?
Thanks! Yes, as you grow as a pilot you may find that you want faster rates or that you can handle a more linear response curve. Just be wary of changing your rates too often because you have to re-learn the response of the quad every time you change your rates, which can slow down other improvements in your flying.
Hi Tim, Just subscribed to your channel. I’ve been wanting to learn about rates, but have been very hesitant in doing so because (as you said) they can be very intimidating. Your video on tuning is very well done and you’re doing an excellent job in explaining/showing how it is done. One aspects of tuning the PIDs or Rates that I’ve not seen anyone explain is what is the main difference when tuning for a 1S and a 2S or higher cell count battery? Thanks...Sam
Thanks! There is no difference when tuning rates for different cell counts. For tuning PIDs, generally the gains are lower for higher cell counts on the same multirotor.
@@TimmyRC Thanks Timmy. It still would be interesting in illustrating this via a TH-cam video - Just a suggestion. I assume that this is what EMAX has done for their TinyHawk Original, S and 2 where their PIDs and PID Profiles are designed specifically for a 1S and a 2S battery.
I started trying Actual Rates since center sensitivity is decoupled from Max Rate. Theat way I can turn that down and flatten the curve a little. When it comes to making turns, I think I put in more yaw than I need to so I end up "drifting" a little and have to input opposite yaw to correct when I come out the roll part of the turn. Rather than having to play that game of each parameter affecting the other, I can change one. Hopefully, I can dial it in better. I'm almost there.
I know your not big on features and like to keep things as simple as possible but Emuflight has a new feature called Rate Dynamics which is really cool to adjust your stick feel. Emuflight has really separated itself as its own thing and is catching alot of traction for itself. I know you had your opinion that it might die like butterflight did and I respect your theory on how it could end up the same way but it really is bringing its own unique things to the table and in my opinion is beginning to be a game changer. Kind of how betaflight was to cleanflight back in the day. It's pushing boundaries in the same way. I would like to see a video of you trying it out if you could and give another opinion on flight and feel. Thank you for your content.
Hey thanks for the heart. I know you got attacked on the video you did about Emuflight and it was only an opinion on how you see things going as you saw how things played out before with others. And it's just an opinion. I think the reason was that the people who had alot to say put alot of work into the development of the software and had a really personal stake in it so they kind of felt like it was an attack rather than an opinion piece. I'm glad you kept your cool and I hope you can understand where they were coming from also. You have great content and again I really appreciate what you do. Thank you
Yes I heard about the Rate Dynamics feature and that seems very clever. But you are also correct that I like simplicity, and Rate Dynamics is another 6 values to tune on top of the 3 normal rate values. It also makes me wonder if skilled pilots will be able to perform better with these rate modifiers, or if they will just make the quad response feel less consistent. I will definitely be trying Emuflight as soon as their first official release drops.
@@TimmyRC yes simplicity is good especially since consistency plays a big part in flying well. The features definitely have there place in certain aspects I think though when it comes to racing or cinematic videos. But just for the average hobby flyer less is more.
@@TimmyRC I don't want you to think I'm saying any one is better than the other. I'm just saying that certain things have there place in different scenarios. That's why I totally agree with you on flight performance. The bar is very high right now. It really comes down to features. And that's what really sets them apart right now.
Hey Timmy I have an bnf emax freestyle because I lost my first one battery came undone completely so yeah it caused me to lose it and plus I’m using the goggles and transmitter from the bundle any who my question is how do I raise the rates because it’s a little slow for me I mean I only purchased it because the price was good soon I’ll be getting a tx16 transmitter real soon and better goggles soon
Bro such a great video man I learned a lot I have to rewatch it again. Now I know with new BF there are Actual rates as well any chance we can do a video on that as I hear it's simpler with that
@@TimmyRC yeah brother if it's anyone that makes it simpler it's you dude. So much appreciated. Looking forward to more of these tutorial videos from you
I am so new to all of this and I have been following you for a while.I have watched your p.i.d. video and it was great !!! But with this video you left us hanging as to what the rates should be for all 3 settings .can you help with this ?What rates are best to start with as a newbee ? Thanks and keep the great videos coming..
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This is not a tutorial it's a masterclass
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Best RATES explanation on the net so far, hands down. I've watched them all, but this has been the most insightful. Thank you for taking the time to teach us!
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So true this was really helpful
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GREAT explanation. This is the best I've seen so far.
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Thank you Tim. You’re doing a great job with explaining what can be a a very “intimidating” topic for beginners.
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dude ure giving some competition for jb honestly the best explanation so far great work
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My brain only remembers things when I understand the basic concepts ;(. And this is a great video in that respect
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Just like a lot of others I wanna say that this is legit the best and most easiest explanation of rates! Great job, instantly subbed!
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Next Joshua Bardwell over here with the knowledge drop. Good video. Gonna have to playlist this one
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I'm just now getting into FPV and this is by far the best video I've found about rates. Great work man.
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this tutorial is pure gold
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Probably the best video out there explaining rates... Thanks man... God bless you 👍
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Going back, I never paid much attention to my rates, always flew defaults. Lol now I’m going back with knowledge. Time to get “my” stick feel dialed!
My dude, the time and effort spent making this was was totally worth it. 🤜🤛 thanks bud!
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we need more idiot’s guide to FPV, this was absolutely brilliant 🤩
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best video of explaining the tuning of quads so far 👌👏👍100%
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@@TimmyRC have you made any for filtering i have a 2-4s aio 35A and 1204 4500kv 2-4s iflight motors and on 4s 450mah start jumping and fly way go up like if i do a punchout it flies good on 3s 450mah only on 4s does that
@@galifpv6944 I do not have any videos regarding filtering. The Betaflight documentation on Github is a good place to start.
A great follow up video after the PID tuning. I really enjoy swathing this , and understand better how the rates working.
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Perfect job helping us to absorb what's what. Zero dislikes after 4 months up, that is something my man!
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that right there was what the dr. ordered... you just taught me what I came to find out.. thanks for the great video!!
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This is such a good explanation of rates. Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this, now I'll be checking out your PID video.
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You are the man, perfect explanation of a very complex topic. Natural teacher mate good job! 👍
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Now Please do one on throttle management. It be the trinity of my tuning master class mate.
Not exactly sure what you are asking, but I don't "tune" the throttle curve. If you are asking about throttle management in terms of pilot skill, I have an Advanced Trick Theory episode on the subject:
th-cam.com/video/SLu1n9Lu87w/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your in depth discussion about how to adjust rates. Your discussion about maintaining your rates as you adjust for stick feel was particularly helpful. I am going to use your process over the next few days
I think you did a fantastic job explaining rates. Initially I freak out looking at all those numbers. But now I understand. Thanks a million.
Thanks!
Man thanks so much for making this video. Very easy to understand from someone who knew nothing. Now I can fix all my problems and take some of the stuff that didn't fly well off my back shelf. I understand everything you said, now I just have to play around with them. 👍👍👍
Thanks!
@@TimmyRC Just applied some settings. No more twitching going through tight spots and no more grazing the floor doing rolls lol.
hello again! it had been a while since i needed this info. It took me a minute to find you again, but i got you locked in now. best information out htere for this guy. explained clearly and simply ,,, its pretty complex/ way to go, thank you so much!!
Thanks a lot, just started flying FPV in uncrashed sim and at the point where I need to understand how to get a better feel on the drone.. Very helpful info!
That was a masterclass in presenting and explaining a technical topic young man. First class. I have just got into FPV, I have a protek 35 and all I want is slow gentle cinematic flying with gentle curves the kind you see when flying over corn fields.
I guess i need to set my rats so I have a very flat S. I dont need to do flips and loops, but I hope to learn a split S turn/dive at least.
For now I have just adjusted my throttle to scale 65%
Half way through and this has been an excellent explanation! Thank you 🍻
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Thank you Tim for making this video, as It was just what I needed to understand how to tune PIDs. I assure you from both myself and others commenting here your time was not wasted. Great job!!
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Excellent video very clear learnt more from this than Mr Steele's and Joshua bardwells
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Finally someone explain more than he talks. I was so bored listening to all those who just talk and throw some numbers and words and do nothing. Thanks man and good job
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Bro I m your fan now i m watching your videos from so long and you explain things very precisely and easily.....Thanks for giving us your buddy
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Word Timmy, first time this has made sense to me... thank you!
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You are really a good teacher!
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best rates tuning ever.
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This is an excellent explanation!
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Hi, very good video and explanations about the rate. I will definitely recommande it to people around me doing FPV. Even if they are advanced pilots. Cheers.
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I think this is the best I have ever heard rates explained. Great video!! I’ve been using the same rates for almost six months. They work well for me but mid stick is to sensitive and I have to use a crazy yaw rate of 1300 degrees. due to the arthritis in my left hand I can’t hit full stick on yaw. I finally have a method of fine tuning my rates. Thank you.
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Well done, son...Well done.
Thank you. That was very helpful. You are a good teacher.
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You are welcome. When you get a chance, would you look at my question in your PIDs video? Thanks.
Thanks buddy! I get it now. The graph and everything!
thank you very much for this clear explanation, Timmy. happy weekend, bro 👍🙏❤️🥃🥃
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Great instructional, well done Timmy!👍
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Thank you. This is an interesting way to describe now to tune the rates. I had never thought about using Super Rate first to determine the degrees per second before fine tuning everything else. Makes sense.
Very clear explanation. Thank you for sharing 👍👍👍
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Great insightful video, first one I've seen from you, made me automatically subscribe. Great content hands down.
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Thank you! Very informative and love this video (better than your PID tuning video, different subjects, I got that). Thanks again!
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at 75 years young I am old school, and tuned my TX for soft response ..
Using exponential.
Very impressed and now educated - I was a dummy until I watched this video 👍
Betaflight has got so good at tuning PID's I totally forgot about the rates. I need that little bit of extra snappy at the end of my sticks as the standard BF tune is just a tad too slow for me when flying freestyle (but fantastic in long range).
New sub here so keep the great videos coming 👍👍👍
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thank you! this helped me a lot ..
So well put.
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You did a great job explaining. 👍
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Probably the best explanation I've seen yet, ty!!!
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Thanks a lot, pretty thorough explanation!
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Hey Thanks!
Very well explained.
This was super helpful. Thank you.
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👍👍your the best..today.tommorrow somebody else
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Thanks for the info! Well explained
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Thanks for picking up the suggestion! Again a great intro for pilots of all levels. I almost got bored on the first part because I already understood what the values technically do but I really learned the idea of mid-stick curve later!
... p.s.: I'm a thumber so my rates will be very different from the average freestyle claw ;-)
Thanks! I am also a thumber 👍
Appreciate you, my friend!
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Very nice job. Appreciate the effort. Helped me for sure.
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Great video.
great explanation, thank you!!
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Nice job
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Very nice! Really good job!
I’ve really enjoyed the practical elements of this tutorial. Many thanks!
I must say that I’ve made my way up from whoops to 3’’ to 5’’. And now I’m re-learning to pilot to counteract the weight. I’m sure that some adjustments in the rates will help. I admit to have used those of my toothpicks!
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Nicely explained .....bro thank you...😊👍
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Wow! Bro your very well explained . Very informative and detailed. New sub here. Thanks🤘
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Thank you....... you explain it so well, I appreciate
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@@TimmyRC I can quite honestly say that the drone was being prepared for a final destination to the electronics recycling centre and, by using your advice, I have been able to tune and get the ' little darling thing' to get off the ground and hovering at an almost level .
@@stum6070 That's awesome, glad the video was helpful
Another great vid!
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Great video...very well explained.
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Subscribed, thank you!
Great job. Thanks!
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Thank you!
Good vid bro. I like your explanations.
Thanks bro
Thanks this is the best explanation I've seen yet
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Great video! Finally I understand!👍 What rates do you use and do you use the same rates for all your quads?
Thanks! I prefer not to share my rates because they will not feel the same on a different setup using a different PID tune and transmitter. I do use the same rates on all of my quads, but it is worth noting that I only fly 6 inch freestyle quads.
Using a simulator like Liftoff is a great way to try different rate profiles - That way you aren't wasting your batteries messing with this stuff IRL.
great vid bud!
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awesome video!
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Excellent!
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Very good explained ! Greatings from Germany !
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Hi! Again! I watched this video twice lol!! Thank you for the info! Do you have a video explaining throttle set up?
I don't, sorry
Great video! 👍
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Thanks again Timmy I’m really enjoying your channel grow 👍
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excellent! great job, thanks you very much!
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Great! Thanks.
Just what I was looking for!!, thanks, ill keep this one on my re-watch list until I find my ideal rates...
PS: for what you explained, it seems like rates should probably be changing with you as you grow as a pilot, don't they?
Thanks! Yes, as you grow as a pilot you may find that you want faster rates or that you can handle a more linear response curve. Just be wary of changing your rates too often because you have to re-learn the response of the quad every time you change your rates, which can slow down other improvements in your flying.
Hi Tim,
Just subscribed to your channel. I’ve been wanting to learn about rates, but have been very hesitant in doing so because (as you said) they can be very intimidating. Your video on tuning is very well done and you’re doing an excellent job in explaining/showing how it is done.
One aspects of tuning the PIDs or Rates that I’ve not seen anyone explain is what is the main difference when tuning for a 1S and a 2S or higher cell count battery?
Thanks...Sam
Thanks! There is no difference when tuning rates for different cell counts. For tuning PIDs, generally the gains are lower for higher cell counts on the same multirotor.
@@TimmyRC Thanks Timmy.
It still would be interesting in illustrating this via a TH-cam video - Just a suggestion.
I assume that this is what EMAX has done for their TinyHawk Original, S and 2 where their PIDs and PID Profiles are designed specifically for a 1S and a 2S battery.
I started trying Actual Rates since center sensitivity is decoupled from Max Rate. Theat way I can turn that down and flatten the curve a little. When it comes to making turns, I think I put in more yaw than I need to so I end up "drifting" a little and have to input opposite yaw to correct when I come out the roll part of the turn. Rather than having to play that game of each parameter affecting the other, I can change one. Hopefully, I can dial it in better. I'm almost there.
Yes, Actual Rates is much more logical because the parameters correspond to the characteristics you are trying to tune.
I know your not big on features and like to keep things as simple as possible but Emuflight has a new feature called Rate Dynamics which is really cool to adjust your stick feel. Emuflight has really separated itself as its own thing and is catching alot of traction for itself. I know you had your opinion that it might die like butterflight did and I respect your theory on how it could end up the same way but it really is bringing its own unique things to the table and in my opinion is beginning to be a game changer. Kind of how betaflight was to cleanflight back in the day. It's pushing boundaries in the same way. I would like to see a video of you trying it out if you could and give another opinion on flight and feel. Thank you for your content.
Hey thanks for the heart. I know you got attacked on the video you did about Emuflight and it was only an opinion on how you see things going as you saw how things played out before with others. And it's just an opinion. I think the reason was that the people who had alot to say put alot of work into the development of the software and had a really personal stake in it so they kind of felt like it was an attack rather than an opinion piece. I'm glad you kept your cool and I hope you can understand where they were coming from also. You have great content and again I really appreciate what you do. Thank you
Yes I heard about the Rate Dynamics feature and that seems very clever. But you are also correct that I like simplicity, and Rate Dynamics is another 6 values to tune on top of the 3 normal rate values. It also makes me wonder if skilled pilots will be able to perform better with these rate modifiers, or if they will just make the quad response feel less consistent. I will definitely be trying Emuflight as soon as their first official release drops.
@@TimmyRC yes simplicity is good especially since consistency plays a big part in flying well. The features definitely have there place in certain aspects I think though when it comes to racing or cinematic videos. But just for the average hobby flyer less is more.
@@TimmyRC I don't want you to think I'm saying any one is better than the other. I'm just saying that certain things have there place in different scenarios. That's why I totally agree with you on flight performance. The bar is very high right now. It really comes down to features. And that's what really sets them apart right now.
Good! i find this rate longtime ago :D
Outstanding video! Thanks for posting.
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do you have a filter video too? by far one of the best and most detailed quad pros.... i prefer your videos to bardwells by a mile...
Thanks! I do not have a filter video yet.
Love the video
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Hey Timmy I have an bnf emax freestyle because I lost my first one battery came undone completely so yeah it caused me to lose it and plus I’m using the goggles and transmitter from the bundle any who my question is how do I raise the rates because it’s a little slow for me I mean I only purchased it because the price was good soon I’ll be getting a tx16 transmitter real soon and better goggles soon
@@bkracing7783 Here is a video I made explaining rates:
th-cam.com/video/R8TvR1bY0bM/w-d-xo.html
Bro such a great video man I learned a lot I have to rewatch it again. Now I know with new BF there are Actual rates as well any chance we can do a video on that as I hear it's simpler with that
Thanks! I have not looked at the "actual rates" feature yet, but the old rates method definitely is confusing.
@@TimmyRC yeah brother if it's anyone that makes it simpler it's you dude. So much appreciated. Looking forward to more of these tutorial videos from you
thanks
Nice video ever for explain rates .
Can you make a video on design your own pid controller.
Thanks! I will probably not be designing my own PID controller anytime soon.
Okk thanks
Amazing!!!
I fly (Axis Rate-Super Rate-Expo::Degrees)
R 1.00-0.60-0.1::500
P 1.00-0.70-0.1::667
Y 1.00-0.55-0.0::444
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awesome
I am so new to all of this and I have been following you for a while.I have watched your p.i.d. video and it was great !!! But with this video you left us hanging as to what the rates should be for all 3 settings .can you help with this ?What rates are best to start with as a newbee ? Thanks and keep the great videos coming..
I did not cover what your rates should be because they are completely personal preference, unlike something like PID tuning.
@@TimmyRC thanks so much ...Keep the great vids coming ..