I’ve been only drinking pour over at home for the last several years, I bought this and it truly makes a better cup of coffee than I can do with a manual pour over. I’m really enjoying it.
That's amazing. I must be really great at making pour over then, because that wasn't my experience at all. :) I returned it after nine days and was glad to be rid of it.
The fact that this machine allows advanced settings and controls that we can play around, is a solid home-run for most daily and intermediate users. Nicely done from Fellow.
This is probably Fellow's best product if you're measuring value for money. I do agree that their products are generally somewhat expensive. I bought the Fellow EKG Pro a while ago and while I agree that it's outrageously expensive, I also love that I can leave it on the counter (because it's beautiful) and easily schedule my water to be at perfect temperature right after I get home from walking the dog. The Aiden can probably make better pour over coffee than 90% of home coffee enthusiasts. Pour-over is outrageously hard because there are so many factors to consider. Just to start brewing I'm putting my v60 filter + paper into a BPA free IKEA container filled with boiling water so ensure temperature stability. After that, I have to carefully pour water in at the perfect height multiple times throughout the brew. If I wet WDT / swirl a bit too hard, the outcome is going to be different. If I pour a bit too high, the outcome is going to be different. This thing has perfect temperature stability, custom profiles, sensors that prevent making mistakes, a water boiler, an advanced shower head. If I had to guess the price knowing that the company that built it is Fellow I would certainly not guess that it's below 500 USD. I have a Cafelat Robot for making espresso because I love the control that it offers me. I feel like I can make perfect espresso with this machine. The moment that I switch to filter coffee with a V60, Aeropress, or french press, I never seem to get a cup that I really am blown away by. I feel like this machine can help me with this. This would also be extremely handy when you have people coming over and need to brew for more people. I could actually ask my local coffee roaster to share the Aiden profile that he configured for his beans and the lotus drops he used for his water and I'd be able to brew amazing coffee without effort. I still enjoy the ritual of making coffee but that's why I still have my manual grinders and the Cafelat Robot. This is effectively a better moccamaster to me.
@@guitar864 the amount of scepticism online is crazy. I'd be more than happy to prove that I'm not a fellow employee just to prove a point. Sure, I am seeing a lot of positives about this machine but I'm also realistic, the machine can break after the warranty period and then it's up to you to get it fixed. The thing is, this machine warms and drops water on coffee in a very controlled manner. It includes advanced software to be able to do this and let users customize it to their preferences. Using soft water and descaling now and then should be enough to make this machine last a very long time. I don't have the machine yet but Fellow has definitely convinced me of its potential.
Yeah, seems like there's a lot of resentment from people who don't feel they can afford it. That's one thing, but why the need to try to shit on it for others it works for?
@@upscalebohemian5372 people generally find it difficult to understand something that it not considered "normal". Buying a hand grinder priced at €300 that replicates the quality of commercial grinders that cost €2000+ is considered crazy. Going to a 3-day festival or spending the same amount of money drinking beers every Friday for 3 months is ok to most people. Aramse recently released his new and improved south Indian brewer. People were outraged about how "expensive" it is. It is a super premium brewer constructed out of metal that costs less than an aeropress.
I'm using the Aiden and, after a bit of tweaking and a firmware update, have to say it makes good coffee, comparable to my V60 and Wave filter hand pour methods. I like that I can program a brew and have it ready in the morning, which saves me time when I am rushed. Clean up is simple. It's fun to tweak the settings to see if one can get a better cup. I do wish for three things: 1. not having to swap out the filter buckets 2. that the filter buckets were made of glass, ceramic or steel if possible, instead of plastic. Can Fellow offer this as an upgrade, I wonder? 3. a built-in grinder (that may be asking too much, but I bet it's possible) Another poster questioned the quality control of Fellow products. I am also concerned about that, since the first EKG Kettle with Bluetooth I bought broke down quickly and the replacement one is starting to show erratic behaviour with its thermostat. For my simple and minimal home use, however, the products (EKG Kettle, Ode Grinder and recently added Aiden) have so far held up. I can see the Aiden as being an important and time-saving part of our daily coffee ritual.
You look at something like Nespresso's Vertuo , which starts at around $150 and change and can go all the way to $600 and change(the Creastista something). This looks like a steal when compared to those. Yes, you cannot do espresso, but then if you are buying this, more likely than not, you already have an espresso workflow setup in your daily routine. This one takes the Aeropress/Hario/Kalita workflow a notch. I would get this mainly for the batch brew option.
Anyone complaining about the price obviously hasn’t owned the fellow kettle yet. If the coffee maker is anything like that then this is a completely justified price. Starbucks is always open to taking your valued $8 mocha 😂
So they did a scale for water. I am not disappointed but a little surprised they didn't do a scale for the brew bed so if you have a guest at your house that just tossed X amount of coffee in and pushed "instant brew" it would give a preset off how much coffee was in there. They could call it "instant brew dummy's" setting haha.
It depends on what you're going for. For straight-forward simple batch brew, the Bonavitas are hard to beat for the money. If you want variable control, the Aiden is the brewer for that.
I’ve been really struggling to get my Baratza Encore ESP dialed in as a starting point for any brew. Still using the coffees that came with the machine and I’m thinking I just don’t like their profiles. Super sour, no matter how fine I go. I’m worried dialing in the grinder is going to be more difficult than other machines.
Interesting you re saying to imitate a kettle is a feature of the aiden. I thougt its a disadvantage that you brew coffee with different temperatures (high to lower) in one brew because it slows the extraction throug the brewing process. so thats why a lot of people like james hoffmann recommend to bring your kettle to boil before pooring. so for me it will be interesting to try my brews prepared with a constant temperature for the first time
Here's a quote from Fellow's website: "Aiden uses polyphenylene oxide PPO which is 100% BPA free and doesn’t leech when boiled for 12 hours. We chose this material to achieve maximum thermal stability and true-to-the-degree temperature control. In addition to being super safe to use and adding functional benefits to Aiden, this material also makes the price point significantly more accessible to home coffee drinkers around the world."
@@primacoffeeequipment I like using my US made "ABLE" brew metal filter in my current Moccamaster from Holland. Can you please advise it will will nicely fit the Aiden filter or am I obliged to use paper filters ? Thanks
Threre's a lot I find annoying about the Aiden, but I've only been using it about a week. As for the coffee, when you make a pot it's about the same as the Moccamaster. When you make a small amount with the cone shaped filter it's slightly more "rounded" (slightly less under note of harshness) and brings out a bit more chocolate notes in the same old Sumatra I make all the time. That's about it. The Moccamaster is more convenient to use and has far less to go wrong with it over time. There's no pump in the Moccamaster and the one in the Aiden works constantly so who knows how long it's going to last? The water tank is too thin and the grab handle molded into the side is in the way for pouring water in easily. Some people, me included, have carafes in the Aiden that don't keep the coffee hot at all, maybe 20-30 minutes tops. For some who brought it up, Fellow replaced carafes, but nothing changed. I still pour into a different carafe immediately (same as I do with the Moccamaster, but I don't have to with the Moccamaster, and even after 90 minutes on the hot place in the Moccamaster I don't feel the coffee taste changes much from when I start). There are a lot of sensors to go wrong over time with Aiden, and the thing I hate the most is if I make coffee and then remove the carafe or open the lid to remove the filter holder to wash it and then replace it, the Aiden acts like I want to make coffee every single time and the menu starts. It' s a pain to have to scroll up to Sleep on the menu again. I feel like saying "No means no!" to it on a daily basis. Super annoying. While the smaller amounts of coffee made with the cone filter are maybe SLIGHTLY better (as noted above) than in the Moccamaster, there is no way that it actually compares to pour over I make myself with a Stagg Studio Pro and Kalita Wave.
@@upscalebohemian5372I hate the fact you have to measure your water in the moccamaster. The Aiden has significant more customization as well. For the price point I really don’t see how they compare. The only nod I’d give the moccamaster is build quality and reliability but.. I can’t knock the Aiden in the area until more time has passed.
For a brewer that does so much, why can't it recommend a grind size for the ode 2 Sure I can look underneath the lid, but I would like to see a recommended grind size if you select a dark roast or medium roast
That would be a HUGE turnoff for people who don’t use a Fellow grinder. As someone who uses a Baratza Encore ESP for my batch brewing, I would absolutely hate having to dismiss a constant plug for their own grinder. They could make it a setting where you could choose to see it or not, but that feels like a waste to me.
@@NevrNewd Ok I agree with you What if the Aiden could recommend a general grind size for the kruve scale...at least something more specific than medium grind
@@cycles_beruff4005 One of the Aiden instruction videos does state recommended grind sizes for Ode 2 based on how much you are brewing. I wrote them down (Ode gen 2): * Single serve: 5, * Small batch: 8, * Big batch: 9. I forget what small vs. big batch was (I know big was up to the full pot)
I guess no one goes to coffee shops regularly lol. People complaining about the price is nothing compared to what the value this machine brings. There is literally nothing like it in the market. Im not sure people understand the depth of what this machine does.
They should make it all black anodized aluminum body, real glass water tank, fix the carafe to be all stainless steel (maybe in coop with a company already known for great steel carafes like alfi) and sell that thing for 800 usd. Safe buy. But this? No thanks. I am going to wait for the v2.
@@vancitycanucks I'm sorry you feel that way! I am always honest in these overviews. I do sometimes share my opinion, but try not to cross too far into review territory. However, I don't think I need to share my opinion on how the coffee tastes to make the claim that the Aiden is better than pour over. The purpose of the video was to show how Aiden can more preciscely replicate the job of a pouring kettle through its variable controls. I hope that message made it across!
Pour over offers a lot of control, but it is very inconsistent no matter how hard you try. Turbulence, temperature, timing, flow rate and coverage will be different every time you brew, and you simply cannot achieve the same degree of consistency or evenness of extraction across the coffee bed as you're able to with a machine equipped with a carefully designed showerhead, temperature profiling and pulse frequency control.
What if the best tasting coffee is achieved by having the same temp with each pulse? How would you do that with manual pour over? Do you use a stopwatch for pours and in between? If not then the Aiden would be more consistent. Can you really match the consistency of flow rate that the pump provides? Having full control of each pulse temp and the timing, how could it not better?
I'm sure there's pricey copper and electronics inside. Just ONE of my copper cooking pots cost over $300. I have the Aiden. It doesn't seem cheaply made in person, just some design changes I would definitely start thinking about for a version two already.
I’m sure it does… but the market for this are people willing to pay extra for high quality. The shower head is plastics and so is the funnel and all that hot water passing through it just doesn’t sit right with me. They overspent on R&D I think… Look at the Ratio 6 coffee maker which can be compared to this. It’s much more simpler but at least the shower head is metal. It’s looks nicer and gives a safer feeling.
Ok, too much in the way of menus, submenus, sub-submenus and more menus, I think it could overwhelm a lot of people. Also, to spend $350 or so when I can buy a $30 (size 02, single serving size, or the 03 for couple of servings for $40) Hario Switch V60, and a $50 OXO Good Grips Cold Brew maker that makes cold brew the way it's supposed to be made WITHOUT HOT WATER, for both for around $100 including taxes is a far better way to go especially for single or two servings. Plus with the Hario Switch you can use it to make pour over or immersion coffee, if all you want is a pour over and don't want to be bothered with pouring water slowly for several minutes you can get an optional V60 Drip Assist for under $15, simply pour the water into the assist and it will automatically slowly drip the water, but so far it will only fit the 02 size. Fellow makes great products though, and if a person doesn't mind all the menu selections, and doesn't want to babysit the maker, or someone needs to make several cups of coffee all at once then it's good for a pour over; but it's not good for a cold brew maker because that's not how true cold brewed coffee is made as I mentioned earlier, but that is how to make iced coffee, simply put it on cold brew method, then later pour over ice.
I’ve owned both their Kettle and Grinder and the robustness is extremely poor. Both lasted just over a year. No way I would spend so much money on this.
@@NevrNewd Who is the target market? I have a proper kettle, scale, V60, Chemex, Kalita Wave, Aeropress, French press, and a siphon for whatever coffee option I feel like making at any given time. I am guessing that anyone interested in the options the Aiden provides has a routine they enjoy going through to make the coffee in the way they want and don't enjoy cheap plasticky feeling appliances. Anyone looking for the convenience that a machine like this offers is not likely to waste their money when a Breville, Nespresso, even something like a nasty Keurig will get them what the convenience they want at a far lower price point. That, or they will just visit the shop they like the most. I wish the Aiden good luck; I have a hard time believing it will be a good seller, but happy to be proven wrong if it turns out to be an actually decent machine.
@@MBergyman Well the machine seems more than decent in functionality. Going with plastic is unfortunate. YOu asked target market, i dunno if i'm the target but my wife and I enjoy the espresso process and have and have a Brevelle that we love. However, as much as I love an americano, there are some days I would just want a good pour over coffee and not go to my local store. Also the flexibility to make a full pot when we have company over. The real variable here is we are a high income family who can splurge on something like this. Would I have even thought about it 10 or 15 years ago? Probably not. But just putting in some context there are plenty of people in m position that can justify the cost of less than a year of coffee from my local shop for a versatile brewer.
It it's not for you, fine. Who are you trying to convince, though? I had my reasons for buying it and I don't think for what it is that's a crazy price.
@@MBergymansome people don’t want do to manual pour overs. In addition you get consistency with this machine. All those machines you listed isn’t even in the same league as this Aiden.
In tangible ways, or did it have to do with your built up expectations? So far the only thing I've been disappointed with with Fellow is their registration process. The Studio Pro kettle and the Tally Pro work very well for my needs. If people are really expecting coffee from this to be equal to or surpass pour over they can do themselves, they will probably be disappointed. It's good, but it's not as good as pour over I make myself.
@@upscalebohemian5372 it’s ascetics over function. Have 2 kettles, for some reason the most difficult kettles I’ve had to remove mineral buildups and both the lids don’t come off and on well at all. Their ceramic tumblers are horrible; even by cleaning them after every use they become incredibly smelly. Their dripper is meh. The double walled glassware I got, one of them chipped within a month.
Bought a Fellow gooseneck kettle. The metal part on the bottom was extremely flimsy and just broke over time. The original Ode Grinder has a litany of issues e.g. having to force beans down because the container at top is bad. Finish on the cup coming off. Static issues.
IDK what happened to my reply. TLDR, I’ve had 2 kettles, glassware, tumbler, and the dripper. Not impressed with any of them, either due to chips in the glassware, ceramic coating in the tumbler becoming smelly within 2 months of ownership, or the kettles having hard to remove tops and needing more maintenance for cleaning than any other kettle I’ve had previously.
@@MarkPharaoh That's interesting. I haven't had any issues at all with the kettle or Tally Pro scale. I don't own a Fellow Ode because to me it looks like an old-fashioned photography enlarger. :) (I use a Eureka Mignon Brew Pro.) I returned the Aiden after nine days and felt great about my decision to give up on it and return it the day after I did. A carafe that doesn't keep coffee hot for more than 20 minutes, a machine that keeps turning itself on when you return the carafe after cleaning AND the filter holder after cleaning, AND isn't just press a button but scroll through a menu to his Sleep over and over again daily? That was all just too much. The Aiden made okay coffee but it never delivered on its promises to make pourover quality coffee, keep the coffee hot "for hours," and so on.
I have one. I'm not sure I love it and may return it. But I know what copper costs and electronics cost and all the sensors cost compared to your $20 wonder we all missed out on.
I’ve been only drinking pour over at home for the last several years, I bought this and it truly makes a better cup of coffee than I can do with a manual pour over. I’m really enjoying it.
That's amazing. I must be really great at making pour over then, because that wasn't my experience at all. :) I returned it after nine days and was glad to be rid of it.
@@upscalebohemian5372why did you return it?!
@@upscalebohemian5372I’m over here struggling with dial-in too. Not giving up yet!
I am having exact same experience. Mind blowing!
@@upscalebohemian5372 did u play around with profiles & settings?
The fact that this machine allows advanced settings and controls that we can play around, is a solid home-run for most daily and intermediate users. Nicely done from Fellow.
This is probably Fellow's best product if you're measuring value for money. I do agree that their products are generally somewhat expensive. I bought the Fellow EKG Pro a while ago and while I agree that it's outrageously expensive, I also love that I can leave it on the counter (because it's beautiful) and easily schedule my water to be at perfect temperature right after I get home from walking the dog.
The Aiden can probably make better pour over coffee than 90% of home coffee enthusiasts. Pour-over is outrageously hard because there are so many factors to consider. Just to start brewing I'm putting my v60 filter + paper into a BPA free IKEA container filled with boiling water so ensure temperature stability. After that, I have to carefully pour water in at the perfect height multiple times throughout the brew. If I wet WDT / swirl a bit too hard, the outcome is going to be different. If I pour a bit too high, the outcome is going to be different.
This thing has perfect temperature stability, custom profiles, sensors that prevent making mistakes, a water boiler, an advanced shower head. If I had to guess the price knowing that the company that built it is Fellow I would certainly not guess that it's below 500 USD.
I have a Cafelat Robot for making espresso because I love the control that it offers me. I feel like I can make perfect espresso with this machine. The moment that I switch to filter coffee with a V60, Aeropress, or french press, I never seem to get a cup that I really am blown away by. I feel like this machine can help me with this. This would also be extremely handy when you have people coming over and need to brew for more people. I could actually ask my local coffee roaster to share the Aiden profile that he configured for his beans and the lotus drops he used for his water and I'd be able to brew amazing coffee without effort. I still enjoy the ritual of making coffee but that's why I still have my manual grinders and the Cafelat Robot. This is effectively a better moccamaster to me.
And you definitely don’t work for fellow… lol.
@@guitar864 the amount of scepticism online is crazy. I'd be more than happy to prove that I'm not a fellow employee just to prove a point.
Sure, I am seeing a lot of positives about this machine but I'm also realistic, the machine can break after the warranty period and then it's up to you to get it fixed.
The thing is, this machine warms and drops water on coffee in a very controlled manner. It includes advanced software to be able to do this and let users customize it to their preferences. Using soft water and descaling now and then should be enough to make this machine last a very long time.
I don't have the machine yet but Fellow has definitely convinced me of its potential.
@guitar864 why the snarky comment? Is your life that miserable?
So many salty people, 300 dollars is incredible value for the tech and convenience it brings.
Yeah, seems like there's a lot of resentment from people who don't feel they can afford it. That's one thing, but why the need to try to shit on it for others it works for?
@@upscalebohemian5372 people generally find it difficult to understand something that it not considered "normal".
Buying a hand grinder priced at €300 that replicates the quality of commercial grinders that cost €2000+ is considered crazy. Going to a 3-day festival or spending the same amount of money drinking beers every Friday for 3 months is ok to most people.
Aramse recently released his new and improved south Indian brewer. People were outraged about how "expensive" it is. It is a super premium brewer constructed out of metal that costs less than an aeropress.
It’s $365 so I’d say it’s closer to $400…
300?! Two thirds of that was just my Fellow Stagg!
It’s not 300 tho.
I'm using the Aiden and, after a bit of tweaking and a firmware update, have to say it makes good coffee, comparable to my V60 and Wave filter hand pour methods. I like that I can program a brew and have it ready in the morning, which saves me time when I am rushed. Clean up is simple. It's fun to tweak the settings to see if one can get a better cup. I do wish for three things:
1. not having to swap out the filter buckets
2. that the filter buckets were made of glass, ceramic or steel if possible, instead of plastic. Can Fellow offer this as an upgrade, I wonder?
3. a built-in grinder (that may be asking too much, but I bet it's possible)
Another poster questioned the quality control of Fellow products. I am also concerned about that, since the first EKG Kettle with Bluetooth I bought broke down quickly and the replacement one is starting to show erratic behaviour with its thermostat.
For my simple and minimal home use, however, the products (EKG Kettle, Ode Grinder and recently added Aiden) have so far held up. I can see the Aiden as being an important and time-saving part of our daily coffee ritual.
Would love to put this in the cafe, would definitely improve workflow, grind coffee, load into basket, press a button, go make other drinks 😁
You look at something like Nespresso's Vertuo , which starts at around $150 and change and can go all the way to $600 and change(the Creastista something). This looks like a steal when compared to those. Yes, you cannot do espresso, but then if you are buying this, more likely than not, you already have an espresso workflow setup in your daily routine. This one takes the Aeropress/Hario/Kalita workflow a notch. I would get this mainly for the batch brew option.
WOW! Love this! I don't like that instant brew just depletes your water reservoir.
@@juneauhostel4841 It doesn’t have to. You can assign any profile you’ve created or uploaded to instant brew.
@@primacoffeeequipment That's awesome! I think I missed that in your review as well.
When the app comes out will you review that as well?
Thanks
@@BrianBull no, but I’m sure other TH-camrs will soon enough. I couldn’t get it to work and decided to leave it out.
Anyone complaining about the price obviously hasn’t owned the fellow kettle yet. If the coffee maker is anything like that then this is a completely justified price. Starbucks is always open to taking your valued $8 mocha 😂
The walkthrough we were missing. Well done.
So they did a scale for water. I am not disappointed but a little surprised they didn't do a scale for the brew bed so if you have a guest at your house that just tossed X amount of coffee in and pushed "instant brew" it would give a preset off how much coffee was in there. They could call it "instant brew dummy's" setting haha.
I have a just under 13cm Able" steel filter. Can you please advise if it will fit correctly? thanks
Which would recommend this or the Bonavita, Moccamaster, Ratio 6 or the Breville Precision, which would you say is the best brew, experience? Thanks
It depends on what you're going for. For straight-forward simple batch brew, the Bonavitas are hard to beat for the money. If you want variable control, the Aiden is the brewer for that.
This looks pretty amazing. I wish they dropped aesthetics on the screen and just went square though.
I’ve been really struggling to get my Baratza Encore ESP dialed in as a starting point for any brew. Still using the coffees that came with the machine and I’m thinking I just don’t like their profiles. Super sour, no matter how fine I go. I’m worried dialing in the grinder is going to be more difficult than other machines.
Can I use a cone for over 500ml if I want to? I regularly do 32g 16:1 512ml water on a cone
@@ianshepherd6476 yes, you can absolutely bypass the guidance and do you.
@@ianshepherd6476 just may overflow the basket if you go outside their parameters, ask me how I know lol. Ended up with a bunch of grounds in my cup.
Love mine
Interesting you re saying to imitate a kettle is a feature of the aiden. I thougt its a disadvantage that you brew coffee with different temperatures (high to lower) in one brew because it slows the extraction throug the brewing process. so thats why a lot of people like james hoffmann recommend to bring your kettle to boil before pooring. so for me it will be interesting to try my brews prepared with a constant temperature for the first time
No, not necessarily! Declining temp is a common and totally legitimate approach.
Does anyone know the
customisable Coffee Water Ratio ranges for the Fellow Aiden. Are those Ratio's ranges same for Batch vs Single Pour.
I know it won’t let me go above 1:20. So I just ignore its recommendations.
@@lunamcnally2062 Thank you. Can Aiden do 1:11 Ratio.
Before I drink my coffee brew
I add creme and stuff.
@@larrywong7834 it can currently go down to 1:9.
What is the material of the basket that holds the paper filter? PP? AS?
Here's a quote from Fellow's website: "Aiden uses polyphenylene oxide PPO which is 100% BPA free and doesn’t leech when boiled for 12 hours. We chose this material to achieve maximum thermal stability and true-to-the-degree temperature control. In addition to being super safe to use and adding functional benefits to Aiden, this material also makes the price point significantly more accessible to home coffee drinkers around the world."
@@primacoffeeequipment I like using my US made "ABLE" brew metal filter in my current Moccamaster from Holland. Can you please advise it will will nicely fit the Aiden filter or am I obliged to use paper filters ? Thanks
Would this work with grinded coffee from the supermarket? Looking for a present for my parents, who don't grind for themselves.
@@fluttershy77x Absolutely. Pre-ground coffee will work just fine.
Pour over, is it good? (I drink french press, V60 and espresso)is it worth it?
Yes
Is it possible to change the language to German or are all settings only available in English?
I didn’t twirl through the languages but it did ask me to confirm I wanted English, so…maybe?
I want to see a Moccamaster vs Aiden taste off.
I have both. The Aiden is significantly better.
Threre's a lot I find annoying about the Aiden, but I've only been using it about a week. As for the coffee, when you make a pot it's about the same as the Moccamaster. When you make a small amount with the cone shaped filter it's slightly more "rounded" (slightly less under note of harshness) and brings out a bit more chocolate notes in the same old Sumatra I make all the time. That's about it. The Moccamaster is more convenient to use and has far less to go wrong with it over time. There's no pump in the Moccamaster and the one in the Aiden works constantly so who knows how long it's going to last? The water tank is too thin and the grab handle molded into the side is in the way for pouring water in easily. Some people, me included, have carafes in the Aiden that don't keep the coffee hot at all, maybe 20-30 minutes tops. For some who brought it up, Fellow replaced carafes, but nothing changed. I still pour into a different carafe immediately (same as I do with the Moccamaster, but I don't have to with the Moccamaster, and even after 90 minutes on the hot place in the Moccamaster I don't feel the coffee taste changes much from when I start).
There are a lot of sensors to go wrong over time with Aiden, and the thing I hate the most is if I make coffee and then remove the carafe or open the lid to remove the filter holder to wash it and then replace it, the Aiden acts like I want to make coffee every single time and the menu starts. It' s a pain to have to scroll up to Sleep on the menu again. I feel like saying "No means no!" to it on a daily basis. Super annoying.
While the smaller amounts of coffee made with the cone filter are maybe SLIGHTLY better (as noted above) than in the Moccamaster, there is no way that it actually compares to pour over I make myself with a Stagg Studio Pro and Kalita Wave.
@@upscalebohemian5372I hate the fact you have to measure your water in the moccamaster. The Aiden has significant more customization as well. For the price point I really don’t see how they compare. The only nod I’d give the moccamaster is build quality and reliability but.. I can’t knock the Aiden in the area until more time has passed.
@@kylewestrom7849 the moccamaster has a copper heater there’s too much plastic in the Aiden
@@timhanley4396 I thought the Aiden uses copper as well to heat?
For a brewer that does so much, why can't it recommend a grind size for the ode 2
Sure I can look underneath the lid, but I would like to see a recommended grind size if you select a dark roast or medium roast
That would be a HUGE turnoff for people who don’t use a Fellow grinder. As someone who uses a Baratza Encore ESP for my batch brewing, I would absolutely hate having to dismiss a constant plug for their own grinder. They could make it a setting where you could choose to see it or not, but that feels like a waste to me.
@@NevrNewd Ok I agree with you
What if the Aiden could recommend a general grind size for the kruve scale...at least something more specific than medium grind
@@cycles_beruff4005 One of the Aiden instruction videos does state recommended grind sizes for Ode 2 based on how much you are brewing. I wrote them down (Ode gen 2): * Single serve: 5, * Small batch: 8, * Big batch: 9. I forget what small vs. big batch was (I know big was up to the full pot)
I guess no one goes to coffee shops regularly lol. People complaining about the price is nothing compared to what the value this machine brings. There is literally nothing like it in the market. Im not sure people understand the depth of what this machine does.
They should make it all black anodized aluminum body, real glass water tank, fix the carafe to be all stainless steel (maybe in coop with a company already known for great steel carafes like alfi) and sell that thing for 800 usd. Safe buy. But this? No thanks. I am going to wait for the v2.
Why isn’t there a discount for this? Why are they charging full price for something released in BETA??
Whoa! For $365, it better be good. The round display doesn't make much sense.
Better than pourover? And then goes into no tasting at all.
Well he works for them. Look at the channel name. It’s not a review
@@a124as integrity goes along way. Guess I won't be buying from Prima.
@@vancitycanucks I'm sorry you feel that way! I am always honest in these overviews. I do sometimes share my opinion, but try not to cross too far into review territory. However, I don't think I need to share my opinion on how the coffee tastes to make the claim that the Aiden is better than pour over. The purpose of the video was to show how Aiden can more preciscely replicate the job of a pouring kettle through its variable controls. I hope that message made it across!
Nya Spur
If only they made square LCD screens….
How is it possibly better than pour over?
Pour over offers a lot of control, but it is very inconsistent no matter how hard you try. Turbulence, temperature, timing, flow rate and coverage will be different every time you brew, and you simply cannot achieve the same degree of consistency or evenness of extraction across the coffee bed as you're able to with a machine equipped with a carefully designed showerhead, temperature profiling and pulse frequency control.
What if the best tasting coffee is achieved by having the same temp with each pulse? How would you do that with manual pour over? Do you use a stopwatch for pours and in between? If not then the Aiden would be more consistent. Can you really match the consistency of flow rate that the pump provides? Having full control of each pulse temp and the timing, how could it not better?
Why couldn’t they make the screen larger and rectangular. Just awful.
The phone app has a large rectangular screen. Problem solved.
Do not preorder anything from fellow website. I preordered in August and found out i could two day ship it on Amazon trash company
Don't preorder anything ever, rube.
So much plastic… $300.00 ??
I'm sure there's pricey copper and electronics inside. Just ONE of my copper cooking pots cost over $300. I have the Aiden. It doesn't seem cheaply made in person, just some design changes I would definitely start thinking about for a version two already.
I’m sure it does… but the market for this are people willing to pay extra for high quality. The shower head is plastics and so is the funnel and all that hot water passing through it just doesn’t sit right with me. They overspent on R&D I think…
Look at the Ratio 6 coffee maker which can be compared to this. It’s much more simpler but at least the shower head is metal. It’s looks nicer and gives a safer feeling.
@@goki22 You pays your money you takes your choice. Zero pressure.
That’s $1612. Canadian on Amazon. That’s a no go
It shouldn't be that much, must be a 3rd party trying to resell...
I just bought one. It was $499 CAD
Ok, too much in the way of menus, submenus, sub-submenus and more menus, I think it could overwhelm a lot of people.
Also, to spend $350 or so when I can buy a $30 (size 02, single serving size, or the 03 for couple of servings for $40) Hario Switch V60, and a $50 OXO Good Grips Cold Brew maker that makes cold brew the way it's supposed to be made WITHOUT HOT WATER, for both for around $100 including taxes is a far better way to go especially for single or two servings. Plus with the Hario Switch you can use it to make pour over or immersion coffee, if all you want is a pour over and don't want to be bothered with pouring water slowly for several minutes you can get an optional V60 Drip Assist for under $15, simply pour the water into the assist and it will automatically slowly drip the water, but so far it will only fit the 02 size.
Fellow makes great products though, and if a person doesn't mind all the menu selections, and doesn't want to babysit the maker, or someone needs to make several cups of coffee all at once then it's good for a pour over; but it's not good for a cold brew maker because that's not how true cold brewed coffee is made as I mentioned earlier, but that is how to make iced coffee, simply put it on cold brew method, then later pour over ice.
having to swap the different buckets is very annoying.
If you did manual pour over it's the same thing.
I’ve owned both their Kettle and Grinder and the robustness is extremely poor. Both lasted just over a year.
No way I would spend so much money on this.
I've had their kettle for four years. What the hell are you doing to a kettle to break it anyway?
I bought my Bunn for $20 on Craigslist. Fellow is insane to charge $365 for this.
I mean, you’re obviously not the target market for a brewer like this.
@@NevrNewd Who is the target market? I have a proper kettle, scale, V60, Chemex, Kalita Wave, Aeropress, French press, and a siphon for whatever coffee option I feel like making at any given time. I am guessing that anyone interested in the options the Aiden provides has a routine they enjoy going through to make the coffee in the way they want and don't enjoy cheap plasticky feeling appliances. Anyone looking for the convenience that a machine like this offers is not likely to waste their money when a Breville, Nespresso, even something like a nasty Keurig will get them what the convenience they want at a far lower price point. That, or they will just visit the shop they like the most.
I wish the Aiden good luck; I have a hard time believing it will be a good seller, but happy to be proven wrong if it turns out to be an actually decent machine.
@@MBergyman Well the machine seems more than decent in functionality. Going with plastic is unfortunate. YOu asked target market, i dunno if i'm the target but my wife and I enjoy the espresso process and have and have a Brevelle that we love. However, as much as I love an americano, there are some days I would just want a good pour over coffee and not go to my local store. Also the flexibility to make a full pot when we have company over. The real variable here is we are a high income family who can splurge on something like this. Would I have even thought about it 10 or 15 years ago? Probably not. But just putting in some context there are plenty of people in m position that can justify the cost of less than a year of coffee from my local shop for a versatile brewer.
It it's not for you, fine. Who are you trying to convince, though? I had my reasons for buying it and I don't think for what it is that's a crazy price.
@@MBergymansome people don’t want do to manual pour overs. In addition you get consistency with this machine. All those machines you listed isn’t even in the same league as this Aiden.
Extremely overprices for what it is.
Everything I’ve ever bought from Fellow has been a disappointment
In tangible ways, or did it have to do with your built up expectations? So far the only thing I've been disappointed with with Fellow is their registration process. The Studio Pro kettle and the Tally Pro work very well for my needs. If people are really expecting coffee from this to be equal to or surpass pour over they can do themselves, they will probably be disappointed. It's good, but it's not as good as pour over I make myself.
@@upscalebohemian5372 it’s ascetics over function. Have 2 kettles, for some reason the most difficult kettles I’ve had to remove mineral buildups and both the lids don’t come off and on well at all. Their ceramic tumblers are horrible; even by cleaning them after every use they become incredibly smelly. Their dripper is meh. The double walled glassware I got, one of them chipped within a month.
Bought a Fellow gooseneck kettle. The metal part on the bottom was extremely flimsy and just broke over time.
The original Ode Grinder has a litany of issues e.g. having to force beans down because the container at top is bad. Finish on the cup coming off. Static issues.
IDK what happened to my reply. TLDR, I’ve had 2 kettles, glassware, tumbler, and the dripper. Not impressed with any of them, either due to chips in the glassware, ceramic coating in the tumbler becoming smelly within 2 months of ownership, or the kettles having hard to remove tops and needing more maintenance for cleaning than any other kettle I’ve had previously.
@@MarkPharaoh That's interesting. I haven't had any issues at all with the kettle or Tally Pro scale. I don't own a Fellow Ode because to me it looks like an old-fashioned photography enlarger. :) (I use a Eureka Mignon Brew Pro.)
I returned the Aiden after nine days and felt great about my decision to give up on it and return it the day after I did. A carafe that doesn't keep coffee hot for more than 20 minutes, a machine that keeps turning itself on when you return the carafe after cleaning AND the filter holder after cleaning, AND isn't just press a button but scroll through a menu to his Sleep over and over again daily? That was all just too much.
The Aiden made okay coffee but it never delivered on its promises to make pourover quality coffee, keep the coffee hot "for hours," and so on.
How to upsell a $20 drip coffee maker for $365
How to make yourself sound smart when you don't know anything ^
I have one. I'm not sure I love it and may return it. But I know what copper costs and electronics cost and all the sensors cost compared to your $20 wonder we all missed out on.
Are you kidding?
What? That it’s better than pour over? Nope.