This is why Playoff Hockey Trumps EVERY SPORT
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Who is your teams best playoff performer?
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I think Nylander is a good playoff performer but our best is rather Tavares or Reilly or woll
Trocheck. But the Rangers are doing everything to win!
For the 2018 Caps, Ovi and Kuzy were definitely the top....but the non star ones were definitely Burakovsky, DSP, and Eller.
2016-2017 Crosby, Malkin, Hagelin, Kessel, Bonino Bonino Bonino
Not gonna lie Rob, your videos are the upper echelon of any TH-cam NHL content creators. There’s stats that I wouldn’t have even known if it weren’t for you. I could easily get lost in a 45 minute video and be locked in for every bit of it.
Thank you for everything you do!
Thanks buddy, that means a lot!
…..if I make a team without an all star player but they play like all stars in the playoffs…..I’m here for it.
Well NHL rules every team gets an allstar no matter how shit you are, so I’d say pretty damn impossible to make a team without an allstar.
@@lebryanthoward9416 that's not true. Stop telling lies.
@@CowboyUp1371 That is literally true
@@lebryanthoward9416 @CowboyUp1371 I think you're both quibbling over definitions. There's "all star" in a colloquial sense of "top-tier" and then there's "All-Star" which is the literal "member of an all-star team". I think OP meant it in the former context.
@@CowboyUp1371 no, no, he's got a point.
That's why I always liked Claud Lemuiex, dude would score like 3 goals in the regular season and then be among league leaders in goals in the playoffs
I need therapy
My bad man
😂😂😂😂
best therapy would be to abandon that horrendous organization full of ghosts
@@lowtierduster-7254 You don't think Leafs fans have considered that? We didn't choose the Leafs, they chose us..Like juvenile diabetes. After this year's loss, I searched "why are we fans of sports teams", just hoping for a way out. There isn't one, for the record.
Time to invest your energy into something more positive my man. Like finding a new favorite team. Say edmonton for example? 😂
Rob, you're the best, with all the graphs and whatnot
I swear to christ, in the playoffs you only go as far as your third line will take you. You gotta invest in your 3rd line stars, thats where Toronto fumbled, the core 4 left no space for game breaking 3rd line winger. Gotta lock down those 3 mil x 5 year deals
Well too bad the Wings didn’t make the playoffs, they would have won the cup with their 4 third lines 🤣
I mean thats true with the caveat, that without a powerful top 6, youll never win.
Colorado's resurgence from a historically abysmal season into playoff upsets had a lot to do with their penalty kill and third/forth line presence from neglected names like Carl Soderberg, Blake Comeau, Colin Wilson, etc. Its what separated them from "sometimes flashy, but woefully unequipped" (a title that would fit the Canucks and Coyotes of the time) to a team that can contend with the best teams in the league, if they can manage an 8th or 7th seed in the standings. Don't even get me started on the prime LA kings roster. Jesus Murphy.
Ever heard of the Grind line with the Wings? They don’t win those cups without them.
maybe you cant take brandon waad off the blose hands ... or no playes hayes .. or crapernone ..blose have plent of 3rd and 4th line scrubs to deal off
Again, my argument for whenever someone claims that Gretzky and Lemieux’s stats are inflated: they invented the modern game, and also, why weren’t their contemporaries putting up those numbers either?
In 1980s NHL 8 goals per game NHL! Today only 6 goals per game NHL! If Auston Matthews had played In 1982 he would had scored over 100 goals easily beating Gretzky's 92 goal record! Ovechkin ERA only 5,3-6 goals per game NHL! If Ovechkin had played high scoring 1980s he would had scored over 1300 goals easily! Canada have 650000 hockey players today! USA have 500000 hockey players today! Ovechkin's Russia have only under 100000 hockey players today! Canada and USA should have 11 players who have scored over 800 goals like Ovechkin today! Joe Malone scored 44 goals in 20 games why Gretzky and Lemieux scored 44 goals in 20 games!
Brett Hull 86 goals! Gretzky 92 goals! Is Brett Hull the Second Best athlete of all time? Soccer have 250 million players vs Canada 650000 players that means The Soccer All Stars would beat Orr Gretzky Lemieux easily 100 game Series 93-7!
Jake Walman has the much superior griddy
Yup. And they were GWGs.
I love Walman.
Im not sure what Marner is celebrating besides help losing his team another playoff series.
Anyone who hits a gritty (whatever the f that is) is not a real hockey player
I prefer Zadorov Griddy against DET
Was gonna complain about the click bait title, but your analysis here is awesome. Seriously, good work with this! Hope more people see this!!
I’ve been watching your content for years, and I have to say it’s BY FAR the most informative or generally interesting hockey content on TH-cam. I recommend your videos to all my friends who are getting into hockey, thanks for the vids brotha!
Praying Holloway gets more time on ice for Edmonton, I feel it in my bones the kid will be an important 3rd line piece
Agreed. But it's going to be tough for him.
Came back to say we got some production out the boy 😤😤
Great video! A topic which is talked about ALOT on the surface level, but this in-depth approach is really nice!
Another beauty! These videos always puts a smile on my face, keep it up my friend!
That who is the real deal chart comparison was amazing, great video!
Great work Rob! Glad to see your channel is thriving.
Normal hockey fan : The Leafs suck in the playoffs!
Rob : I will go in dept and explain to you in a logical-mathematic way, why the Leafs suck in the playoff.
As always, very interesting video! 👏
Hahaha
Appreciate the amount of work you put into your graphs each video
Thanks man. This is no disrespect to other hockey TH-camrs. But a lot of my graphics + excel spreadsheets, take longer to make than some TH-camr's entire videos haha
What isn't accounted for here is clutch factor and ability to perform under pressure. It would be interesting to take a look at what Marner's point distribution looks like throughout a series. He tends to get all his points early in a series, in games that are already decided and disappears later in the series when the pressure is on. Compare this to Pasta who always seems to score a clutch goal.
Good point. Marner's only goal in the latest Boston series came in the third period when they were down 3-0 and it didn't matter at all. This guy has ZERO impact on his team, and can't play defense either (he let Pasta blow right by him when he was fresh off the bench for that OT winner).
They need to trade this guy ASAP. A traffic cone would get as many points in the playoffs.
ive been watching your vids for a while and have never subscribed. this video you broke down strategy with the different formations and brought up objective analysis for point differences for different players and hit differences for teams in the regular season and playoffs. i have now subscribed.
its refreshing because a lot of hockey analysis is really bare bones and i appreciate people that really break down things. To many commentators and youtubers are like oh wow did you see that nice shot or that was a big hit and thats it.
Honestly I feel the 2nd/3rd/4th liners stepping up is what makes the difference in the playoffs. If you can score deep... you got a shot!
Edit: No joke... I made this comment BEFORE you said pretty much the same thing lol.
Im Just glad my boy Lehky got a shoutout in this Video - Habs Fan
Damn you earned a subscriber for this. Great content.
Curious to see Hyman and Bouchard's numbers in the comparison.
Loved the video and the perfect dark music was a nice detail 💯
Man, I LOVE your videos. ty for talking hockey structure and what i was talking about last night. Draisatl is so great. 125 PP goals since 2018-19, nobody comes close to that stat. The way he slows down, freezes the puck its hard to stop.
Rob, you've outdone yourself ! That's some truly AMAZING content, loved it thoroughly. Thank You !
I'd say it makes it even more impressive that the Canucks in game 1 against the Oilers this very week managed to almost entirely shut down McDavid, not allowing him to take a single shot. That's what also gave them the opportunity for depth scoring to count and get them that game 1 win. (He still got an assist though, cause he always finds a way ahah)
I’m curious to see the numbers for Panarin. Kinda wish he was on the list, I’ll look up the numbers myself and post the findings if anyone else is interested
Love the breakdown of 2-1-2 and 1-2-2 as well as the cool stats and graphs!
Marner spent the first few playoffs years trying not to put the puck over glass
I got to watch a whl series of my hometown royals vs kelowna rockets, I made the drive to Kelowna. They had picked up neon leon for the playoff run. When I watched Leon in the W, I knew he was going to be special. Even with the Russian vs WHL games in victoria, I had never seen a kid play the game like Leon did. He always controlled the pace of play when he was on the ice, which no matter what it was, he was the best at it, his skill and ability to protect the puck was a treat to watch.
The James Bond menu music in the back was a nice touch
Goldeneye ☺
I've literally wondered what the results shown in all of these graphics would look like. Amazing stuff
Isn’t Panarin the highest paid winger?
Greeat Video Rob, I would like to see these stats overlayed with increases in TOI. We know how Edmonton rides those horses and it would be neat to see how much of that increase could be attributed to deployment. That said most guys whose point totals go down also have their ice time bumped up just not as drastically.
It’s hard to make generational comparisons, Gretz & Mario played through the clutch and grab era , so that kinda debunks the expansion theory a bit
Great video. Ive always wondered about that.
I would live to see more history about "Why are playoffs different?" Like, has this aleays been the case? Has it changed over time? Like, Gretzky and Lemieux numbers would suggest the regular season used to be a lot softer or the playoffs have now become a lot harder? We there teams like the Leafs in the past, who dominated regular season, but couldnt level up in the post-season? That qould be a very interesting video.
Also, thank you for not baiting us and running a 2 minute ad in the middle of the video thus time 😁
Hey Rob, awesome vid!
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This is a super interesting dive into the stats. I'm not surprised to see that Pasta dropped a lot, he was pretty invisible in the first round against the Leafs (until that OT winner of course!)
Dallas has almost immaculate depth in their lineup. they arent the flashiest players ever, but they can score up and down the line. Faksa, Smith, Steel, Dadonov, Dellandrea who have all contributed during the regular season and postseason for that Bottom 6 scoring. some of our top guys aren't scoring a lot right now in the playoffs, but our bottom 6 has been picking up that slack yo help compensate. plus our defenders aren't afraid to get in on the scoring. Ryan Suter has a goal in the Avs series, Heiskanen was on hat trick watch in Game 2. Dallas has so much depth up and down their lines that when some guys aren't doing it, the others are right there to pull their weight
No griddy, Marner. Thats Walman's thing.
As always....the best hockey videos on YT
Would be neat to do a video on guys who famously seem to get better in the playoffs. Carter Verhaeghe's point total ticks a bit upwards in the playoffs but he's especially known for scoring really high impact goals in the games he scores too.
Marner will be the next great winger to leave toronto and win a couple cups in a different market. Phil had to do the same thing to have success.
Bruins fan here. Pasta has been invisible compared to the regular season. Dude cannot finish.
Do a video on defenseman and talk about how Charlie mcavoy has been on the ice for every goal against the bruins since game 3 of the Toronto series.
Goaltending is the only reason we are here now, hoping for a repeat of 2011 where goaltending got us a cup 🙏
U my team is eliminated but Charlie lindgren
Chucky is underrated.
Chucky Sideburns, baby!
@robtalkshockey can we get more habs content ?
Retitle this as “why I need therapy every spring”
A+ content yet again with the clutch stats. Id like to see that averages on the bottom 6 of the last 5 cup winners on points per game averages comparison to regular season to playoffs. May show a lot about what it takes to win.
great dive brother
Its gonna be Conner Brown. He's having fun and nobody will see it coming.
You should name your channel Freaquently asked guestions of Rob
Nice channel btw :)
Barbashev became one of my favorite knights last year.
3:49 Um, that goal looked shockingly similar to a certain goal score by a certain Bruin player in a certain game. What's more shocking is it was the team he scored that goal against, that scored it here.
Love this video 🎉
Why does every batter Marner for disappearing in the playoffs while completely ignoring that Matthews is an even bigger ghost in the playoffs? (edit - Matthews' regression is larger than Marner's over his career by far... the past 3 years skews the data).
Both players are entering their prime, which is why I specifically covered the previous 3 years. Most players on this list are in their prime or are entering it. The way I look at it, is that if the prior years were lessons for this team, this when they should be dominating
In this graphic 🗣️🗣️
SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST
Where are you getting these stats? Didn't Marner have 3 points in 7 games this season so it's .43 PPG which is still worse than Pastrnak's .67 PPG
3 year average
Career stats...
hyman, hyman, hyman. He’s coming alive in these playoffs and which I think he’s becoming a great playoff goer. I don’t think anybody would classify him as a bottom 6 player on the oilers though. You could use the example for Bouchard.? maybe?
Isn't that the problem with the Leafs? It's very hard to have an ace in your bottom 6 if you're paying 4 players $40+ million. Hope management fixes this issue in the off-season.
Bobrovsky for sure the best playoff goalie over the last 10-15 years
Numbers are great but a lot of the time it's that star player scoring that game winner at the right time too. I'm sure GWG would give some good insight too.
I still have ptsd over that save bobrosky made on tampa
One other change in the playoffs is what gets called a penalty. If you are hesitant to be cross checked and slashed in addition to be body checked, you are going to be relegated to low scoring areas.
Nah I think Patrick Roy and Bob switched bodies 😂
This is a great breakdown for why depth wins championships.
so this means marner is better than pasta
During the playoffs??? He was my starting Goaltender for my Fantasy team that went 21-2. Bob was great
It's tough out here for an oilers fan.
Playoff hockey in 2024 is how hockey was played in the 90's/2000's. I miss hockey......
Come on Holloway we need you to step up :D
Excellent statistics!
1:20 As a Leafs fan, we are hoping marner gets an attitude adjust or a plane ticket to Utah
You forgot to mention that you are playing the best teams in the nhl. So what are marners stats against top 16/top 8 teams?
Of course the Habs have an ace to pull out in the bottom 6 when they get back to the playoffs and his name is Mario Armia
Canucks fans are hilarious, they lose "rigged! Refs!" They win "solid game, earned 100%"
Nothing wrong with facts. Refs were brutal in Game 2 so many missed calls. I wanna see em play too but there were some serious non-calls in that game, both ways, but the three non-calls against Hughes were an absolute joke. Any 3 of those plays could have ended his season. Refs need to do better, period.
Je was gifted that by not one but both defenders
why do you hate the griddy so much lol
What about Justin Willams regular season stats vs his game 7 games?
Oilers have good depth scoring. We can put kane down on the 3rd, foegle who had and outstanding 7ear. Janmark was mid but his physical presence puts us up. If Carrick comes back same thing. Henr8que has put himself on a second line to 1st line from the deadline. Brett kulak and desharnais have been solid defensively making good plays weather if it's blocking 2 or 3 shots on a shift, sprawling out their masses bodies to stop passes. Ceci broke his goaless record. We have depth and they work in the past season aswell. When mcdavid was out against the golden knights, we won that game 5-1. Do not doubt these oilers in the slightest bud
Bobrovsky is one of those players who'll die to make sure his team moves on. As a leafs fan, it a rare sight to see a player with that much dedication. Some players have it , some dont. We've had plaenty who bring that much intenstity to the game, but you need more thatn 1 player to win a cup. Bobrovsky can bring a whole fanbase to their feet with one play. Very few plater in the league who can pul that off. I love the Leafs, and theyv'e sure had players capabel of accomplishing the same, they've just never managed to pull it off.
Forzisimo outro was a banger 🔥
I can’t wait for the Leafs to trade Marner and watch him win a Stanley Cup with another team. You just know that’s how it’s going down😢
Why I’m so relieved ovie won the stanley cup and the conn smythe with only Holtby up for debatt. Kuzy was good, but not every gane like ovie, so him about to pass Gretzky means so much. Ovechkin was at his best and won in the playoffs unlike so many others. Thornton, Iginla, Dionne, Marleau, and sooooo many others who did nothing in the playoffs. Ovechkin proved he could do it at the highest level, so his hunt for 895 is a treat.
Pasta is a such a frustrating player in the playoffs. He we be invisible for a game or 2 and then randomly show up huge in a game like last year game 7 against FLA were he nearly won the game if not for the last min goal
Basing playoff skill strictly on PPG is such a horrible way to look at hockey
PPG is one metric. I never said it was the be all, end all stat
Rob,
You make no mention of the Florida Panthers, the team causing Pastas choke as we speak…
Best hockey channel on TH-cam
*Brendan Shanahan taking notes
Ian Cole is receiving money…$$$
The Jets aside from Helly crapping the bed got away from the play that nailed them 4th overall during the regular season. They were nothing in the playoffs compared to the system they used during the season.
McDavid was swept twice. Ppg doesn't matter when the other team is scoring with more players.
Great video
Stats are interesting, but they don't tell the whole story.
Bruh you should’ve just called this video: “why the leafs suck so badly in the playoffs” 😭
I hope the next Leafs coach watches this. Adjust the systems and im sure the boys will go fine
palat, lehkonen and barbashev are all top 6 forwards and in 2022 the oilers had kane, step up who is an equivalent piece to the oilers as the aforementioned players were to their team.
True, Kane did step up in 2022, and guess what, they made the conference finals. I am more-so talking about a player who elevates their game from a depth scoring role. Lehkonen and Barbashev were brought in as depth scorers
I have so many questions lol. If 1-2-2 is more successful defensively and limits breakouts, why don’t teams play that way in regular season? Why can’t teams play with similar intensity as playoffs in the regular season? Is that simply not sustainable? Another thing I don’t understand, if you can elevate your game in the playoffs like Palat for instance, why can’t he do that during regular season? Basically to sum it up, why can’t you have that playoff mentality all season long?
It's wayyyy more boring over 82 games. The Islanders of the last decade, and Flyers this season played 1-2-2. You'll see low scoring games which aren't as exciting with nothing on the line. My guess is 2-1-2, helps develop offense, and sells more tickets. In the final stretch of the season, team's switch to the 1-2-2 to start prepping for playoffs
There should be a team paying you for this kind of research and analysis. You're in the wrong business my friend