How Patrick Kane Getting DESTROYED Changed NHL History
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How does the NHL fix this? Or maybe, does it even need to be fixed?
Stanley Cup Final*, not Finals.
P.S.- I'm also butthurt about the Blackhawks beating Philadelphia back in 2010.
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Each Round of the Playoffs each team would submit a cap compliant roster as a base roster. The are also allowed an injury reserve fund (I or 2 mil) and can change rosters for injuries. What this would mean for example is, Round 1 Vegas would submit a roster that is cap compliant. They are then allowed to tweak this roster but must still remain cap compliant. Making it a choice to start Stone and Hertl (dropping lower salaries somehow), or Stone or Hertl. They need to make this choice up front. From there if someone gets hurt, in the Stone or Hertl scenario they can replace the player with the other in order to stay cap compliant. The injured reserve would be used to give new contracts to AHL pull ups and remain cap compliant with those changes. This would also allow for some other interesting things like, play Stone in round 1 and Hertl in round 2. It also makes trading for these players more interesting (probably want to make it for the long term). At least that's how it might work from my mind. They have to make the Stone or Hertl choice up front in each round, and the only way out is injury. Which I'm sure there would be a lot of.
To me the solution seems obvious. A hybrid cap for the playoffs. Your game night lineup has to be cap compliment but your full roster can exceed the cap so you can have backup options still. This means if Stone were to come back for the playoffs, the Knights would have to choose to dress someone like Hertl or Stone but wouldn't be able to fit both on the game day roster because it would be over the cap. They could alternate those players from game to game, or take out other players to fit both.
I remember good old dynasty days before all these caps lol
Yeah, put simply instead of a cap compliant roster like the regular season, you just need a cap compliant team each night in the playoffs. Maybe you see more ELC guys, maybe you play short to make it work? Could solve the issue with teams 20% over the cap getting the full crew all playoffs and bring us some interesting compromises.
No that's another stupid idea. There should not be any changes for the playoff. The cap is the cap and that's it. If your players get injured, well, get players that don't injure as easily. This is sports. At the very highest levels. Your attitude and the attitude of the league, is not sportsmanlike. Catering to the teams in the most weird ways.
Unfortunately NHL has always fostered this non-sportsmanlike conduct as NHL has never had demotion as part of it's game (like the SHL in Sweden does, for instance). This would create real tangible threats to your existence in the league (but also pay itself off way more if you get demoted and come back). NHL tries every way to cheapen the game and I find that really sad. Imagine the world cup or the olympics - well some of our players were injured for team Sweden, so we went and got Ehlers from Denmark and Laine from Finland. It would be just as cheap.
@@simonfarre4907 I'm not really sure what you mean by attitude lol. It's a solution that's based on the fact that owners and GMs still will want some flexibility in the playoffs. There's a reason the current system is in place. It's what they wanted. I agree, straight up enforcing the cap for the playoffs probably makes some sense but that's not likely to happen. At least a solution similar to what I put forward may be a compromise.
That's still an advantage for the LTIR team.
Players on LTIR cannot play in the playoffs unless they play in the final game of the regular season, meaning they are off LTIR and their salary counts toward the cap. There’s probably some loop hole around this method but I’d imagine it can be fixed.
Edit: Alr I’ve changed my mind, a point that’s been brought up is that what if a player is truly injured and can’t play in the final game of the season. A simple solution is to just make the cap count in the playoffs, which doesn’t include the cap of players on LTIR, but once those players are eligible, they count towards the cap. Meaning that if teams try and stack up with an expensive player on LTIR, if they want him to play in the playoffs, they’re gonna run into some crazy cap troubles.
This would effectively mean that you’re making the salary cap count for the playoffs anyway?? Since if they play the last game of the season, they could towards the cap.
This is a good solution though. I like it in terms of closing the loophome
Where's the rule that says so? I'm not trying to be mean, I'm simply curious because nobody really talks about that
@@amecarethqc6652 It's just his idea for a rule.
That *should* be the rule. But it's not. LTIR players don't count towards the cap and those players *can* come back in the playoffs, whether they played last regular season game or not.
@@Implicit_Truth Ahh yeah, that makes more sense
You forgot to mention Desjardins. He was a massive part of that 2015 run as well with Kruger and Shaw on the 4th line. One of the sickest 4th lines I've ever seen
I don't know why people complain about circumvention I mean about 30% of men Canada and 71% of men in the USA are circumvented
not gonna lie, i need you to stop.
i was circumvented without consent and im triggered.
I'm amazed how such a god fearing people play god on children.
Maybe circumcised, but I never heard of circumvented.
Circumcision is evil.
It's genital mutilation without consent on infants and the foreskins are used by corporations for beauty products
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Good ol' Greens.
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great video. The history with this LTIR loophole is crazy and it gets even weirder when you consider Tampa of all teams were one of two teams along with the blues to oppose and vote to fix the loophole back when it was discovered after 2015.
Can’t beat em, join em
They did the right thing. They told it was messed up, no one listened. Then they proceeded to show how it's messed up. The others first showed to be idiots, now they show to be salty idiots.
karma like this is crazy
I didn't know this. Now I'm mad at the Blues for not exploiting it before Tampa. I guess it worked out anyway.
Even more than that, Tampa was the team that brought it up for a vote
I can't believe they circumcised the cap.
It’s messed up man
Who did you mean by ''they''?
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I really think the best answer would be that LTIR isn't included in the salary cap, but your active roster in the playoffs has to fit into the cap. Almost like, I don't know, the regular season? If an LTIR player returns for the playoffs, you have to healthy scratch players and mess around with rosters so that you're fielding a team on the ice that fits into the cap. If you want to buy players for the sake of filling a roster gap, go ahead.
If the league really wants to keep this, make returning LTIR players miss the 1st round.
I don't think I can have a neutral opinion on this though, being an Islanders fan and seeing this happen two straight seasons in a row against a Lightning organization abusing cap loop holes and going on to win back-to-back cups.
Which funnily enough as you described is exactly what vegas did last year and we still get hate for it.
@@marciimeris503funnily enough, your active roster for the playoffs was above the salary cap.
@@marciimeris503 I don't hate on the Lightning I just live in constant sadness that I waited for 20 years for the Islanders to be good only for their cup window to be shut by the Lightning and it's looking downhill from here for a long time given they have an aging core, bad long-term contracts and the worst prospect pool in the whole NHL.
@@Implicit_Truth You cleary do. Don't call it abuse. Call it the Lighting having a better GM. Why would a healthly star player miss the first round in a legitimate league?
@@jacobdzurica6707 no they were not "above the salary cap"...because there is no cap in the playoffs, nor should there be. That's the entire point flying over your head.
Instead of having people being upset that teams operate within the CBA rules, feels to me that fans should be directing their emotions at individual teams who can't stay afloat and make the playoffs when one or several players go down for legitimate long term injury. The dumbest part of this debate is LTIR exists EXACTLY to help teams solve this problem and then it's bad when some do it better than others??? 🙃
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Crazy how 10 years into cap era nobody had thought of pulling that move. Then it happened organically & the vultures moved in to feast on the loophole.
Smart GM's you mean.
There's a simple solution:
Teams in the playoffs should never be over the cap with the players they field in a single game. If someone comes back from the LTIR they will need to bench one or more players to fit the cap in their next game(s).
Am I missing something?
Also, just adjust the cap on a team basis based on the taxation in their respective locations.
It doesn't seem that difficult to me at all, and I'm sure there are smart enough people running the show. The real question is what their motives are for not implementing these changes.
with injuries, you might end up having to ice a team thats over the cap, and most of the time, lineups only a few hours before game starts and theres game time decisions. in the playoffs theres a lot of injuries, having a cap rule in the playoffs doesnt make sense. but they should still not allow teams to use this loophole. i dont know how to solve it in the best interest of the players and the fans viewing. but that idea simply sounds like it would result in teams being disqualified in the playoffs over money issues cuz a team had the wrong guys get injured.
its more likely a coincedence that a couple teams won the cup while being way over the cap then it is a result of using this loophole for one player to return from injury.. LITR is only for 2 players i think? its hard to say that exploiting this loophole is why teams have won. hockey is stilll a team game, otherwise mcdavid would have a handfull of cups by now
100% they have to find a way to fix this. Here's an idea, the salary cap applies starting game 1 of the playoffs. So you can make your moves if a key player is actually out, but you can't load up and then also bring them back for the playoffs.
Well, then player would just get off the injured reserve in time for game 2/3
Good luck getting the players to go along with that.
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I'm not gonna lie, it feels like laser-guided karma for the Panthers to be ultimately responsible for the LTIR loophole being abused like it has been by injuring Kane in a dirty play, then getting absolutely destroyed by the team making the most use of the loophole during their best cup run ever.
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I think that one work around could be that in the playoffs you can have more players signed but ur only allowed to play within the cap or a little over. So rather than being able to acquire all kinds of new pieces and playing all the old ones as well you have to pick and choose who to play. This would mean that if a player is still injured throughout the playoffs he can be replaced but ur not getting a massive advantage by playing all the guys you acquired with their cap space while that player was on the LTIR.
A complicated way to fix it would be to lower the salary cap by a flat percentage for states that do not have income tax, or increase it by a flat percentage for the teams that do, allowing the players to be paid the same no matter where they go
The cap problems began before the 2010 cup was even won because Tallon didn't get offer sheets handed in on time, so the Hawks "promoted" him to a position in the basement before he left for Florida. Byfuglien, Eager, and Versteeg were gone after the first cup win. Versteeg was back for the 3rd cup win.
yah versteeg came back just after the 2013 cup but was there in 2015 then left again immediately after 2015.
Versteeg was the only player they brought back to ever win another Cup. StanBo brought back a laughable number of guys - Versteeg, Ladd, Sharp, Shaw, Kruger, Saad... and it pretty much never worked. Even w Versteeg it didn't 'work', he wasn't good again.
kinda crazy if u think ab it that his return was the only one that led to another title. Tbh when they brought him back in 2013 I wasn't surprised in the slightest lol @@grayhudson1095
@@grayhudson1095 Versteeg was eighth on the team in scoring in 2015, with 34 points in 61 games which was his career average. That's better than not good.
@@peterolbrisch8970 he wasn't bad, but he also wasn't what he'd been in the first two runs as a younger player.
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Enforce a salary cap in the playoffs with a 10% increase. All teams have the flexibility to bolster the lineup or replace an injured star but aren’t able to add multiple large contracts. Contracts can be maximum 50% retained by the team dealing in the trade, 3 way retention is made illegal. Teams w/o LTIR will be forced to scratch players game by game to insert their acquisitions throughout the rest of the regular season, teams using LTIR space may or may not need to do the same. Activating a player off LTIR during the playoffs works the same as in season, forced to scratch players if necessary to comply w the cap.
A thought I had was having the salary cap be in effect for the Playoffs, but maybe raising it by a few million. That still allows teams to have injury replacements and still be able to make some trades, but then they can’t just exploit the LTIR rule to the extent it’s being exploited
Idk if the hawks breezed their way to the finals in 2015 lol. Conference finals against the ducks was rough
If I recall, Tampa voted AGAINST the LTIR-glitch, so they’re the only team that should be immune to criticism for using it. 💁🏻♂️
St. Louis did, too. Tampa brought it up, and St Louis and Tampa were the only 2 teams to vote to change the rules.
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I love the clip of the crowd cheering on Kane to score against their team, and erupting when he does. It's both great fanmanship and so like Chicagoans to celebrate their demise.
Na, we want to lose this year, and i think most Hawks fans want to see Kane and Debrincat make the playoffs. If we were fighting for a playoff spot, I don't think he gets that ovation.
Great video, at 5:26 I love the inclusion of the N64 Golden Eye Soundtrack!
The Hawks, Kings and Lightning are what I wished the Canucks were in the 2010s (well Lightning in the 2020s)
You forgot to mention David Bolland and his line that shutdown every single #1 Line throught the first two Cup Runs (and had 8 goals and 8 assists in the 2010 Playoffs I believe), Patrick Sharp, and 2 of the most underrated in Hawks History and maybe even playoff History in Hjalmarsson and Crawford. Without them, they do not make deep runs each year or win the 2nd and 3rd Cups.
easy fix, if a team finds themselves in a situation where a player or players over 3MAAV is injured, that team will be awarded 3M per player. Or if you wann get whacky, if you have a over 5M in injuries you'll be awarded 5M OR One single acquisition equal to the total AAV of injured players. Gives teams the option of depth while restricting them, or allows them to sign a star but keeps it from becoming the NBA
As an Islander fan, this really brought back some blood boiling memories, especially the video of Kucherov...
Of course it was Ken Holland 😑
WHATS IRONIC IS HE MANAGED TO WIN ONE CUP BUT REALLY FUCKED OVER THE REDWINGS TEAM WITH SOME REAL BAD SIGNINGS. JOHAN FRANZEN ANYONE???????
This idea that vegas is cap circumventing and gonna coast is ridiculous. Half our team was injured for over half the season now. We went from 2nd in the league battling for top 3 with the rangers and van, to barely holding onto a wild card slot and in danger of missing completely.
But fans of other teams sit here and say "oh well you should just accept defeat instead of using rules allowed by the league because thats cheating"
"How is a canadian team supposed..." the same way the canucks are. Play better.
Imo it's as simple as any roster you ice needs to be under the cap. Ironically this means vegas last year is actually alright.
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Change the Canadian government
I personally don't see a massive issue. You still need to build a great team without a top player to even make the playoffs. Seems more unfair to punish a team or players by either holding them out of the playoffs if they aren't back for the end of the season even if they really are still injured and can't return before the playoffs.
This is the type of thing that happens in a hard cap league, among other "issues" such as certain markets being more attractive than others.
There is no issue with LTIR by itself. LTIR exists for the purpose of being able to replace your long term injured pieces. Ken Holland was right, teams shouldn't be penalized for getting their key guys healthy in the most important part of the season - the playoffs. Never forget the fact that teams are gambling when they make moves to go over the cap. They still have to play well enough to qualify for the playoffs without their best players and in some cases advance before injured players are able to return. Even with all of that, teams still need to account for the cap after the season ends and they're still giving up players, picks, or both to make deadline deals. It's not exactly a free transaction, takes more than one team to make a trade or pick up on waivers.
RE: VGK, the video failed to mention all of the extra moves VGK had to make in order to gain capital and cap space for the Eichel trade. They traded away a lot of pieces beforehand and Alex Tuch + their best prospect went directly to their trade partner in the same deal. A big chunk of how the roster was constructed changed while trying to make the Eichel trade possible and they missed the playoffs that season too. All of that was done to trade for a 10M+ AAV guy that was seen as a bust, locker room cancer, immature, etc...and wasn't even healthy at the time, heading into non-traditional surgery. That type of move is done by an organization with balls enough to gamble like this. Too many people whining about this team always forgets these parts of the story bc the LTIR narratives are too strong and easy to blame.
They are called Canadian's 😆
The issue is that if you restricted it, players would just force themselves to play through injuries way more often. The NHLPA would never agree to this.
Every team can equally take advantage of it. The main issue is that late season games don't matter at all.
Wow, no respect for Krüger, Oduya and, the unsung hero of the ‘13 and ‘15 cup run, the one and only; Niklas “Hjammer” Hjalmarsson - I highly doubt the Hawks would have won those two cups if it weren’t for the d-pairing of Hjalmarsson and Oduya to support Keith and Seabrook
Those guys had way more impact than some of the guys you mentioned, I get Byfuglien and Ladd but Bolland? Frolik? Stålberg? No shade against those guys, love em but wow man
didn't they also have big buff? literally no one could move if he decided to play in front of opposition's goalie
you are correct, the Hawks would not have won those Cups wo a 2nd d pair.
Hjalmarsson and Oduya weren't mentioned bc they weren't lost in the cap crunch being discussed. Hjalmarsson was lost in a later cap crunch.
Bolland had the 2013 cup winning goal so it's not crazy that he stands out more
The build up to the actual point of this video was so good, I forgot that’s what the whole thing was about.
I heard a thought that I think would help this and it doesn't make teams unable to go and pick up players at the deadline but the idea I heard was that the roster that you put on the ice during each playoff game has to be cap compliant meaning like Vegas could dress stone off of LTIR and Hanifin and Hertl but they may only be able to dress 18 players for tonights game to be cap complaint.
Only way is a false tax across the league to add up in accordance to the team of least post tax income. Players would never let that happen.
I feel like an easy fix for this would be to have your roster for that game fit within the salary cap.
You read my mind
2:53 as someone from lethbridge this is facts 😭
Hybrid cap is probably the best idea I've heard. You can only bench a cap compliant team on the night. So if someone does come off LTIR and you are put above the cap, you can still play them. The downside is you'd have to exclude players from the game to become cap complaint. To further deter loophole abuse, those players you have selected to not play would not be allowed to play for the rest of the playoffs or the series. You'll need to call up an AHL backup for reinforcements. This stops you loading up on players who don't have a two way contract at the deadline, and further risks your depth options if you need to clear waivers to prepare for your abuse.
Anyone else remember when, I forget but, either the '16 or '17 Penguins won the cup with like half their AHL team. I miss those times.
One way could be that a new category is made for injured players SEIL (season-ending injury list) and players placed there don't count towards the salary cap but also can't play a competitive game until pre-season game 1. Plus change the rule that a portion (how much exactly can be debated, maybe 50%, or even slighting scale depending on the length of time the player is injured) of a player's salary still counts towards the salary cap when placed into LTIR.
But at the end of the day when your team does then it's "great rule lawyering" and when a team you don't like does it then it's "BS that needs to end".
as a detroit fan it feels right blaming all of this on Ken Holland
Especially when at the time we were no where near contending for a cup (and still aren’t).
Ain’t like yzerman has done much either
As an Islander fan, I concur. Back to back eastern conf finals. The second one against Tampa. Kucherov...
We should raise the salary cap by $5-10 million during the playoffs
A dirty play from a Florida Panthers player should never be a surprise in any year, including this season.
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So, the fix to this issue would either be to limit the amount you can be over the cap in the playoffs to like 5 mil or 10 mil even, or make it so contracts above a certain threshold still count. Like, the rule is intended to prevent them from having an AHL player fill in for like a JT Compher or whatever you’re not intended to get a free replacement superstar. You could also have the NHL do independent medical assessments to make sure no one is gaming the system.
The other fix is to allow for the team as a whole to be over the cap but the team they put on the ice must be under the cap, so they could theoretically have those extra players scratched or not dressed but still available to the team if there’s an injury but you can’t ice a team over the cap that way the injury replacement issue is solved but you’re not getting essentially a free superstar above the cap 18 mil ya know.
The fix for the taxes is easily, make the teams pay the average state tax that the Canadian and American teams with state taxes pay and make the teams pay that on every deal into either the player assistance fund, referee assistance fund, revenue sharing, or some other charitable or other fund to even the playing field and perhaps do something good with it simultaneously, either that or you could theoretically penalize teams with no state tax with whatever the average percentage is built into the cap to account for the players taking discounts. That or have the the NHLPA, or some other type of competitive balance tax formula to even it out.
A percentage of the cap overages in the playoffs should carry over to the next season
create a short term and long term injury reserve list. Long term has a minimum time of 2 months or something like that for serious injuries, and short term still counts towards cap
That's what they have now. IR are for short term injuries, LTIR is 30 days (or more) or, I think, 10 to 15 games missed (or more.)
i straight up forgot this was a patrick kane video until the end when you circled back around to it
Another vid a day later, thx!
Seeing your picture I must ask. Did your parents have seats behind the visitors bench in Vancouver??
Feel like the only way this could be “fixed” would be some sort of modification to it, like players on LTIR going into the playoffs cannot return until the second round (if the team were to get there).
Any team can do it and would probably love to if its your own team doing so, but hate it when its someone you’d be going up against
1:54, this soul moment is why I will forever hate the hawks and forever debate against anyone who says jimmy howard was a legit #1 starter.
Yes so much this!
I always referred to him as Bimmy (yes for those of us who remember Double Dragon misnaming Jimmy) Howard
Bimmy would make great stops but seemed slow to react in critical moments… I still despise Seabrook 🐙
@@aceassn716 whatever the opposite of clutch is is what howard was, played fantastic in games that didnt matter but you put him in a high pressure moment where you need him to make a save and he always flubbed it, always. I remember going to a game against Anaheim (like 2016-17) and we were tied with a little under a minute left howard let getzlaf roof it on an easy save situation and that was my last memory at joe louis arena…fun times…
The league should allow a team to put someone out at will counting against the cap.
Any player who's injury will not count towards the cap should be submitted to the NHL who will have a board of physicians randomly pick one to approve the long term injury as replaceable and a follow up of medical reports to that Dr should be made every 15 days. If it appears they will come back before the playoffs, or near the play offs they are placed back on cap hit. The player also shouldn't be allowed to return if not approved by the Dr, or a board of doctors to ensure they're health is not at risk
As a wings fan I love/absolutely hated Kane. I was never scared about the hawks but until they got Hossa. Around that time I knew they were gonna be unstoppable. They had such a solid young core.
I think F1 just made a ruling that all salary capped leagues should follow, you get extra salary cap based on cost of living and taxes where you are located so if you need to pay you engeneers more because of taxes or high costs of living you can stay competitive with teams that don't have this issue
This is an amazing point that few have thought of. Call your state rep and tell them to not tax nhl players. If you could tell them that I shouldn’t pay state taxes too it would be appreciated.
Okay so hear me out. What if the salary cap is still in effect in the playoffs?? Is that so hard??
Great video though, really lays out the situation nicely!
Well, you would have to get the owners and players to change the CBA. Owners don't care about a playoff cap because players don't get paid, besides any bonus money they may get. And I don't think the players mind at all, either, as I have not heard any players speaking out about changing LTIR. I think fans just need to accept that these are the rules, and they aren't going to change anytime soon.
So that makes the avs cup win even more impressive. State tax and they didn't circumvent the cap.
New rule the NHL should make.
shouldn’t allow a player on LTIR to play in the playoffs if they didn’t play the last 10 games of the season or something.
Teams wouldn’t be able to use the loophole anymore cuzz they would have to use the player that is on LTIR for the last 10 games or just not use him in the playoffs at all.
Would be interesting
Players are never going to go along with that.
Just make it ao you uave to have q cap compliant roater at the start of every round. If you get someone back from injury and they are not on the roater you can swap them out at the start of the next round.
Youre not ounished for having players off the active roster capwise, they just cant play.
That gives teams a reason to acquire at the deadline and use LTIR space but they will need to adjust
Richards is one of the main reasons I became a flyers fan in 2010 and never looked back. One of the most elite two-way players in their prime. Richards could do it all while leading a sub par team to the finals
Chicago was not subpar especially since they won 3 cups
Love the north Lethbridge shout out. Yeah it’s bad out here 😂
Make it so players injured 2 weeks before the trade deadline still count towards the cap unless their injuries are life threatening or are evaluated to be longer than the rest of the season and playoffs
as a flyers fan it’s been 14 years and that’s when we peaked 😢 I know that pain. Happy for Kimmo T. though, he deserved a cup
Great Vid. I kid you not!
Player on the LTR after the trade deadline do not count for the cap space, but ALSO should not be allowed to play in the playoff. LTR is meant to be long-term after all.
my slight workaround would be for players making 6+ million would be to make it so only half of the salary can be taken off the cap, also if they had a hard cap for how much money can be used for ltir like say 10 million. so basically for example stone’s salary only counts for 4.75 Million. I understand why players and owners don’t have a problem with it but you have to at least tweak it a bit.
Players on LTIR not being able 2 play until the 2nd round at the earliest, or just not able to play in the playoffs at all
yeah but aside from kucherov the rest of the money on tampas ltir was on players that were never going to play another nhl game again.
Crazy to see the Hawks just fall off soo fast after 2015. I thought they would have a few more short runs
Having a cap in the playoffs would basically rule out deadline deals , where teams acquire players at about 25% of their cap. Those players could not play in the playoffs.
Good to know!!
lol yea, any given team you field is required to fit the salary cap. Load up on players if someone's LTIR? If they come back you need to sit players until your active team is under the cap.
Easiest fix ever, and it's already been brought up (both in the video and in the NHL) - Just put the cap in place during the postseason. It's literally that easy. Hearing the reasoning for this not being in place as "If you're on a run and players get injured you don't want to be stuck with AHL guys" is complete BS. Shit happens in the season to every team, and you need to deal with it as an organization. If you didn't build a team with depth, good luck next year. I'm a Buffalo fan and had to watch all hope of us ever winning a cup go out the window during the 05-06 playoffs when our entire D corps went down with injury during the Finals...just to be stuck with an AHL defense when it mattered most. Shit happens, and that's just how the season went.
0:49 oh yea, like a cab driver
It should be OK to allow extanded cap for play-off, but there should be cap applied on players sitting on bench for every game. So you can shuffle players between matches, handle injuries. But not have 4x 1st line in game 🤷♂️
If you're on ltir you can't play until game 4 of the first round passes. Once game 5 starts, you can be worthy of the conn Smythe for all I care, but if you're so injured you can't play in the regular season then shouldn't you take an extra week to recover?
Make players coming off of LTIR miss the first round of the playoffs. They won’t block them from competing entirely but limiting it in the first round will bounce at least a few of the teams attempting to circumvent the cap and then players will have to enter into a harshly competitive environment without having played recently so regaining full game ready conditioning won’t likely happen until the third round at a minimum
When you mentioned Lethbridge i laughed so hard being that i live a few minutes away from town
Haha! Coaldale? I miss Lethbridge, I loved there for 5 years when I was going to University.
@@RobTalksHockey coalhurst area on farm
Beauty!
@@RobTalksHockey small world lol. My dad even played summer hockey with kris versteeg one year. I think that would have been like 08-09 or something
love you rob maybe itll be this year
It doesn’t ever get mentioned that the hawks easily could have missed the playoffs with no Kane (who was having an MVP and an Art Ross level season).
Every central team had 90 points in 2015 and Kane wasn’t himself at all that entire playoff run hawks could have quite easily missed the playoffs that year
It's interesting how intimidating Kane & Toews became over time...no one wanted to see the Blackhawks in the playoffs, they were genuinely feared by the rest of the league when it mattered.
That era was my favorite era of hockey and it was 90% because of big buff destroying people, everyone got it on the ice ,sometimes even most of his own line and most of the other line on the same hit or within seconds. He humbled more than a few hard nose teams.
I went from despising him, to Buff being my favourite player. Him rag dolling a player in each in Winnipeg is one of my favourite clips of all time hahaha
the 2010s was so hardcore, low scoring with very few 100+ point players and high intense!! That was what made the game fun. The game ever since the covid shortened 2020-2021 season has been nothing but soft cupcakes only caring about points and very little feistiness or toughness
hopefully the jets retire his number soon@@RobTalksHockey
There was a play I just thought of and I can't remember if it was against Boston or the penguins. Buff went into the corner to grab his puck. While him and the defender were standing still, buff checks him off his feet. Two seconds later another opposing player goes to check buff skating at a medium pace and buff knocks him off his feet. Two seconds later a third player comes and gets the same treatment. Buff never moved his feet after the first bit.
hah he was always unfazed @@dustinb1070
At 1:55, Rob says "... Brent Seabrook, of all people, would score the overtime goal!". I wonder what Rob meant by that? I am a Blackhawks fan. Seabrook is one of my favourite players of all-time and I have been following that team since the early 70's. It sounded like Seabrook was an unlikely hero which is bizarre because he was a mainstay on that team throughout is career.
I just meant with all of the offensive power on that team, you wouldn’t expect Seabrook to score the game 7 OT winner on an individual play
@@RobTalksHockey Seabrook had 3 playoff OT winners, 2nd on the dynasty only behind Kane's 5. known as very clutch.
Great channel
The LTIR relief mechanism existed before the Patrick Kane injury. It is unnecessarily complicated and I would bet that 99 out of 100 NHL fans-even diehards who know the sport and league well-do not understand LTIR relief accurately.
The fix is simple and obvious…. Get rid of the math. The solution is a team’s 23-man active roster must always be under cap, including during the postseason, and injuries should not count against this cap under any circumstance. Furthermore, the salary floor no longer applies during the season if unmet due to multiple injuries (so teams at the floor like 2023-24 SJ or CHI are not forced to acquire contracts to meet the floor if they face injuries that take players off the active roster).
Step 1 is easy, just weight the salary cap based off local income tax. If your area has 20% income tax, the cap is 20% higher than somewhere with 0%
Maybe give the teams leeway with 15 to 20 percent extra cap for the playoffs.
Bro casually mentioned being almost stabbed