John Adams Ep1 "Join or Die" with an 18th Century Historian / Reel History
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- Colonial historian Emily Doherty joins us for our episodes examining HBO's celebrated miniseries "John Adams!" Stay tuned for many great conversations about the early United States in forthcoming segments. Happy Independence Day!
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John Adams is one of my favorite Presidents. He's an unsung hero. Also a great docu-series.
yea as a founding father but not so much as president. The alien and sedition acts sank his presidency. Not all founding fathers were pro liberty as it were. A lot of them including Adams and Hamilton were very much in favor of a stronger central government having A LOT of power.
The fact that this channel only has 25k subs is criminal.
This community is growing. Keep sharing links to people you think will enjoy.
@@BigRed0059, thanks!
For real dude. We really are still at the beginning of the popularity of this channel and they keep producing gold.
I understand why. There aren’t enough clips of the show to give any context to a person (who hasn’t seen the show) what the heck is going on and they need to condense/edit their talking down a lot to make it more faster. Not sure if that makes sense. I thought what they say is great but way to long. For example, they could have shown John Adams closing speech in its entirety and then talk about it. It would have been much more powerful. Ultimately I could take it anymore by 30 minutes and went to watch a “John Adams episode 1 reaction” video instead.
@@pduidesign the thin line you have to skirt to not trigger copyright in these videos is ridiculous. I'm surprised this passed
What I love most about the series is understanding the personalities better of people like Adams, Frankin, Jefferson, Washington, as well as their interactions. Dillane seems to capture the brilliant, complex, thoughtful introvert so well.
John Adams lost friends and clients as result of his defense of the British troops -- but he was establishing the principles of due process.
"Justice and the Rule of Law are to be ABOVE politics." -- John Adams.
This miniseries definitely did a great job illustrating the life and accomplishments of an American president who common knowledge has largely forgotten because he was overshadowed by the legacy of President Washington.
He also had his enemies. But his list of achievements FOR the country is absolutely astonishing.
And the bookends: he lead the movement for independence -- see "1776". And after the so-called "revolution" he negotiated the peace tray with Britain.
Loved this show. Really illustrates a lot of why I think he's a criminally underrated president and why some others are maybe a little overrated. But the fact that John Adams was a fierce opponent of the practice of slavery (as was his son) at a time where that wasn't necessarily popular or profitable is why he'll always be in the upper tier of my pantheon.
Edit - oh yeah and this show had me on the Paul Giamatti bandwagon since way back in the day.
He and his son deserve major props for anti-slavery views. Forthcoming episode on "Amistad" will follow up!
Dark irony that the reason he hasn’t any monument’s is he didn’t have any slaves to build them. History will be far kinder to him for his stance on slavery than he ever probably suspected
@@marg2431 that is sad. Terrifying notion that people don’t value history…… how can you tell you’re walking forward unless you remember where you came from.
Adams also lost a lot of business as a lawyer for defending the British troops involved in the "Boston Massacre" (which, his cousin Sam Adams the propagandist notwithstanding, was not a "massacre") in order to defend the principles that a man charged with a serious crime should not want for a competent defense; and trial by jury of one's peers.
During the trial, Sam Adams, being consistent, engaged in efforts to intimidate both witnesses and the jury. He called the troops "murderers" -- they were not -- and wanted them hung.
@@jnagarya519 sorry but it’s “hanged”
Pictures are hung, people’s are hanged.
I binged this series last night. Only have to watch episode seven today. It was an incredible experience. So glad to see that you are covering it.
Hope you had tissues with you lol
and can you tel me where is Thomas Paine if you know anything from history?
One of my favorite series. By the end it made a grown man cry.
and can you tel me where is Thomas Paine if you know anything from history?
I could not have stumbled upon a better find on TH-cam than historians reviewing John Adams. It’s a dream come true.
I’ve always wanted to sit down with a historian and have them do exactly what these two are doing. So happy about this.
We'll finish it eventually, no worries
The tar and feathering has always sickened me. Playing baseball for first 2 decades of my life, I can tell you pine tar is nearly impossible to clean off without modern cleaning products. It gets everywhere. You get a smudge on you, next thing you know it's everywhere including places you can only imagine. I guess that is the point of the sick and twisted users of this barbaric act. Besides the obvious inconvenience, People would know you were tarred for a very long time, which I guess is the point.
Been waiting for this series for awhile. One of my favorite history series. Very well done. Great review by you and your lovely co-host. Cannot wait to get to New England to tour these historic sites.
Thanks for tuning in! More to come!
They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't believe it was sick and twisted!
I've seen this show like 4 times, I think. I loved it that much. Love the relationship between Mr. Adams and his wife Abigail. Abigail is a strong woman who isn't afraid to speak her mind and tell John her opinions about things, and John isn't a insecure man where he believes everything he says is right. He listens to his wife and takes her opinions into account. He leans on her, and she leans on him. Abigail makes John a better man at the end of the day.
Abigail Adams was John's rock. They were a power couple. And she was his only truly trusted political discussant.
The portrayal of British troops in this series made me sad, then again, no media portrayal of the revolution thus far has done them justice. Don troiani and various reenactors I’ve seen so far are the only places to get a good glimpse of these overlooked men so infuriatingly turned into caricatures
So true!
See classic book _Boston Massacre_ (W. W. Norton, 1976), by Massachusetts Judge Hiller Zobell. Zobell personally researched the case on both sides of the Atlantic.
This is interesting to me because a large swath of my family were Loyalists and fled to Canada. The family did not come back until the mid 19th century to the United States so I have a personal connection to this time period.
Quite true! Thanks for sharing.
I AM SO EXCITED your doing this series!❤️
Glad you're doing this series! One of my fave historical shows! Was very enlightening for me on one of our least known and celebrated founding fathers which I'm sure makes John Adams himself roll over in his grave lol
This awesome. "John Adams" is a monumental achievement.
Yayyy awesome! I was so hoping you would do this series. I love it so much. Thank you!
I hope you have her on for the rest of the series she is great!!
I remember visiting Colonial Williamsburg in May of 2022 a couple weeks before my high school graduation. such a fascinating place. sucks that I had a really nasty stomach bug and threw up all over the place. I hope I get to visit again someday. I’d really like to reconnect with that local police officer that picked my mother and I up and escorted us to the nearest urgent care. he was extremely helpful that day and I have much to thank him for.
I suspect if you call the local department, they could help you with that. Hope you are better!
gonna binge watch this series after I get home from vacation this weekend now that I know its not a documentary.
Enjoy!
One small error is the omission of the Proclamation of 1763, which barred colonists from establishing settlements west of the Appalachian Mountains. While this decree most likely reflects an agreement between the crown and various tribes, the colonists saw it as an encroachment on possibility, one of the major reasons people were moving to the colonies in the first place. Our hosts have correctly stated that colonists at this time saw themselves and British citizens living in the British colonies in America, not as Americans. That transition took 13 years and a consistent blundering by George III and his advisors. For goodness sake, they tried to make peace with the king with the Olive Branch Petition only to have George brand them as traitors and threaten them with hanging if apprehended. Independence was a measure of last resort.
22:43 In the Colony of Massachusetts, it was legal for black men to testify in court, however, slaves were prohibited from testifying, and freed black men were allowed to testify with some limitations
My favorite historical media on the American revolution without a doubt, with Ken Burns being another good choice with stuff like Benjamin Franklin.
Burns is currently working on his American Revolution film for a 2025 debut!
@@ReelHistory man, that is going to be fantastic. Shine up the awards and accolades for sure.
Great stuff, thanks! (Very) late to viewing "John Adams" - only three episodes in - so I'm going to have to pick it up to stay ahead of you... 🙂
Quick point of advice: don't zoom in to your bubble as much. People can hear you speak, but they want to watch the show, and you're preventing that.
These types of channels have to cut significant portions of shows/movies for copyright purposes.
Wow, she really knows her stuff and is extremely well spoken!
RIP David McCullough
I just got done watching this miniseries! I was so excited to see this upload!
More to come!
Happy Fourth to you. A wonderful surprise with your review of a favorite show. Now I have to go back and find all those people on TH-cam who asked for a John Adams reaction, and tell them, We Have One!
Thanks for getting the word out! Reel History is coming! Reel History is coming!
Band of Brothers 18th Century Style. Also the 'Old' portions of Boston are not very large. Even now Boston is known as a 'walkable' city and entire sections of the modern city was built on filled shallows of the harbor in the 1800's. Boston Neck is no more. If he was in Boston on the date of the massacre...unless he stayed in bed he would likely have had a fair bit of exposure to the aftermath (as portrayed).
So happy to find you! Both of you are the kind of thinkers w relevant knowledge and enthusiasm, which gives me joy.
We saw mob mentality at the beginning with the "tax collector" tarred and feathered -- brutal and gruesome.
I believe it is likely that John Adam's children were shown to be older in the series than they were in reality because not many three year old children can master the acting discipline very well. They cry, fill diapers, and mess up their lines...
I feel the same way. Also, it depends on the three year old. The only episode that doesn't depict the Adams children at their normal ages is Episode 1.
Nabby: 1770
Age: 6-7
Reality: 4-5
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Age: 5-6
Reality: 2-3
Charles
Age: 3-4
Reality: 0
Thomas Boylston
Age: unborn
Reality: 2
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Other things that had caused friction between the colonies and the crown, besides taxes, was: it had been made illegal to travel past the Appalachian mountains, even though the French had been defeated and removed from that land in the French and indian war, and also the crown had made it illegal for the colonies to posses money made of precious metals. They were only allowed to have tokens that represented a sum of real money which was located in banks back in england
So glad this series was made as John Adams was looked over for so long. Paul definitely breathed life into John and did so very well!
I had hoped that Barry Bostwick would have been brought back as George Washington (he did the TV series back in the 80s with Rosemary Murphy). Hope he was asked what his thoughts were.
We never found out what the third thing is in Emily's trifecta of peeves about 18th century costumes in film but I like to think it's women wearing corsets without a shift or chemise underneath. I dabble in historical costuming myself and my husband knows, if we're watching a show or movie where the heroine has her stays directly against her skin, RUN 🤣
(We met Emily years ago in Williamsburg, I have a very sweet picture of her with my two daughters!)
One of my favorite series ever produced!
In 2020, for the 250th Anniversary of the Boston Massacre, the Baylor Law School and History Department held a mock performance trial of the trials following the massacre, particularly for Privates Hugh White and Hugh Montgomery. The law students were the prosecution and defense, the law professors and some local judges were the justices, and the history students (myself included) were the witnesses. It was a class that only met once a week and for the entire afternoon, so we had a lot of reading. In our research, we found that in the interwar period between the French & Indian War and the Revolutionary War, most of these privates would have been fresh from England and thus not veterans of the last war. They were very green and stationed in a city that did not want them. My character of John Goldfinch, Captain, 14th Regiment of Foot, who played a minor role in the lead up to the Horrid Incident (as it was referred to at the time and before 'the Bloody Massacre' picked up). The mock trial was literally the week before lockdown for COVID.
that sound incredibly interesting, bravo to the school for setting that up!
Just rewatched this gem before 4th of July. It really is a masterpiece
I thoroughly enjoyed "John Adams" and am enjoying the opportunity to hear your historic analysis of the show.
45:48 One thing I didn't appreciate until recently is that religion was an official part of many state governments in the early decades of the United States. Massachusetts supported the church with taxes until 1833. OTOH, Thomas Jefferson's Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom eventually became law in 1786 despite opposition from Patrick Henry. Even though the US Constitution's First Amendment prohibition on establishment of religion was applied to states in 1947, some legal scholars argue that this was improper because that prohibition was intended to keep the Federal government from meddling in states' religions.
Massachusetts-Bay would enact "Riot Acts" which based on "two or more persons".
There were two trials: In Adams representation of the non-officers, his defense was that they were following orders. In the trial of the officer, his defense was that he didn't give an order. And Zobell found that the calls to "FIRE!" came from within the mob -- which was a Sam Adams action.
I was thinking of getting the box set after your recommendation, so this is a nice surprise! My first pet peeve - shouldn't it be "soldiers fired into a crowd" and not "British soldiers fired into a crowd? Where else would soldiers in a British colony come from? The scriptwriter is definitely from the United States! Great to have a guest on the channel from the 18th Century - no visible tattoos or weird piercings!
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You must love the militia muster scene in "Last of the Mohicans" where a colonist says in a speech. "I believe that Britain is STILL our sovereign." He must have had the gift of prophecy to know all that would happen between the end of the Seven Years war and 1776 ! Annoys me every time.
@@sartanawillpay7977 - echoes the point made by Jared or Emily, there were a lot of Loyalists. I see a lot of parallels with Northern Ireland. Another revolutionary war started by people to free themselves from a free country.
Last Of The Mohicans is hugely enjoyable, though.
Well, they could’ve actually come from Germany or Switzerland.
Love this series
One of my favorite series! Thanks for reacting!
Great review of this episode. I completely agree with the recommendation of the Adams biography. I remember reading it when it first came out and watching the miniseries during its first run. Looking forward to seeing your reviews of the remaining episodes.
Thank you! More to come!
Another example of someone who died years after receiving their injuries from complications. James Brady was shot in 1981 by John Hinckley Jr. during the assassination attempt of President Reagan. Like 30 or so years later Brady died from complications from the shooting.
One aspect of the American revolution that is rarely if ever adressed is the relationship between the Boston-Philadelphia gang and the Province of Québec. Between the end of the Seven Year's War and the declaration of independance, barely a decade had passed. Following the Durham report to Parliament England decided to be incredibly lenient towards its new French subjects. They were allowed to keep their freedom of religion, which was all important to them.
All the various taxes imposed on the colonies were issued to reimburse the Crown for the cost of defending the new world British colonies against New France. It was quite a bill. The attitude of the British Parliament was 'Why should we pay for their war?'.
Interestingly, the province of Québec was exempt to most of these taxes. Furthermore its citizens (especially its ruling class and clergy) were required to swear an oath of allegiance to the king as both head of state and head of church. The oath was specifically re-written to exclude the second part as it would have been unthinkable for a roman catholic to deny his or her allegiance to the church.
The last straw may have been the re-drawing of the maps where large parts of the Ohio valley were decree'd to be part of the Canadas. This limited in the extreme the colonies' expansion west.
Is it a surprise that the citizens of Upper and lower Canada decided to side with the British, despite urging from the Boston Commons to join the revolution?
This is truly lovely. Thank you for sharing.
Love it!!!! Great episode guys
Absolutely amazing choice to do videos on.
Thank you!
It's a bit tragic that this was a "massacre" that set off the events, while today, five people getting shot is an almost daily occurrence in America.
Context matters.
No, it is not every day that a military shoots a bunch of people in the street. Today we have gang violence, which isn't nearly as tragic.
Also, if you consider the size of the population then vs now, then things start to make more sense.
Jarod you have inspired me so much. I wish I was as articulate as you are. You have played a big part in my academics and love for history. Thank you so much man
Thanks, friend. Keep up the good work in school.
I think I saw a minute and a half of the show. I love to watch reactions but you two never gave the movie a chance.
Is it true that a large part of Adams' defense was using crispus attucks and the mixed race nature of the crowd as reason for self-defense?
This PBS article should offer some context: www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part2/2p24.html
@@ReelHistory thank you
The miniseries, "The Adams Chronicles," is another great series made around the time of the U.S. bicentennial in 1976.
For the future Danger Close the Battle of Tang Soo I believe. Nice to see other nations contributions to the Vietnam War.
Jared just saw that one a couple months ago. We love the end titles!
I was surprised, but not surprised (if you get my drift) that Britain was waging a successful counter-insurgency in Vietnam before the French returned in 1945. Mark Felton has a video on this: th-cam.com/video/1w-cv2CJbfI/w-d-xo.html
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Would you consider doing a breakdown of the ABC miniseries "The Winds of War" (1983), based upon the novel by Herman Wouk?
I consider that to be the finest miniseries I've seen. Thank you.
That is awesome you are doing a review of John Adams
Thanks! More to come!
Excellent video! This renewed my appreciate for this series. Thank you.
I agree.you mention noticeing a historical object that you notice but we can’t because you cut away to your talking head bubble.
The evolution of building codes -- the law -- vis-a-vis fire in Boston is fascinating.
nice to see a fort Fredrick shirt i live 30 minutes away from the fort and only 10 minutes from Antietam
Frederick is a good name.
Omg you are awesome. Granted me and my wife are history nerds. Did you guys do one on the rome show?
Not yet. Sadly we still haven't finished John Adams. Everyone's schedules are too chaotic at the moment.
I would love too see your insights into episode 2. Episode 2 has so much to talk about.
*American Rev History Recs:*
-HBO John Adams
-Hamilton the Musical
-Liberty Kids
-Animated Hero Classics
-Johnny Tremain
-1776 the Musical
-The Crossing
-The Patriot
They already did the Patriot
I love your content Jarod.
Thanks for being a loyal viewer!
Great job guys , nice history
Sweet.
I started watching John Adams years ago but only got a few episodes in and then like in many cases I lost interest and never came back. That's not a knock on the series; it's me being dumb. I have an HBO sub so I need to watch it again, and this video made me remember that cause there was some other video I saw on YT recently that made me think of rewatching it but of course I forgot. Memory of a goldfish.
I'm eagerly anticipating part 2.
Me too! Between battling copyright, summer vacations and family stuff we are a bit behind. But fear not, it is coming.
Love this episode, loved this series! Happy 4th!
Happy Independence Day!
I went to model for Don Troiani. He stated that he wanted nobody over 6 feet and 175 lbs. I am 6'2" 205, so I lied about my size, hunched and suck in my gut to put on the clothes. Then his assistant took photographs. I was not picked for one of his paintings, but it was worth a shot.
Wow! I did not know that about George Wythe! I’m going to look that up now.
If you all want some history now being enlightened, look into John Adams and sons landing in Spain, traversing the pilgrims of Santiago (you're historians right?), then gangstering out in Gallacia. What Adams did abroad is a whole story.
Minus the snark, we appreciate the input.
I honestly think the theme to this series is better than the Star Spangled banner.
It is definitely a toe-tapper!
In his final argument on December 3, 1770, John Adams, Esq. eloquently reminded the jury:
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. This is the situation: a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes and mulattoes, Irish teagues, and outlandish jack tars-perhaps as formidable a force as ever was seen in any province-armed with clubs, mad as March hares. Now, to have this evidence lie flat before you, the law will not. It cannot countenance it. For self-defense is the primary law of nature."
Adams urged the jury to uphold the sanctity of the law and not be swept away by the tide of public fury. With unparalleled skill, he demonstrated that the command to fire had not been issued by Captain Preston. His defense was a powerful reminder that reason and justice must prevail, even in the face of tragedy, and it cemented Adams as a man of extraordinary caliber.
Just found this channel and it's great! Great job!
Awesome! Thanks. We hit a bit of a production snag during John Adams but will be finishing this series early next year.
@@ReelHistory Awesome! Can't wait to see the rest! I subscribed
"Facts are stubborn things." Not "stupid things", regardless how Reagan would have had it.
Loved how homely everyone looked, including the bad teeth. You seldom see that in period films.
Love your channel
Hello,
Love your channel, as I am a French and Indian War Historian can you hit up the several versions of the Last of the Mohegans?
What sources do you use to find information on the British soldiers of the time?
40:47 These are some of the calmest, reactionless people who have watched the tar and feather scene. When I saw this with my family, I didn't know anything about this. Has anyone had nightmares from this scene?
Well, we had seen the scene several times by this point, but yes, horrific stuff.
@@ReelHistory How did you find out?
I would really like to see Reel History do an in depth analysis of the movie version of the musical 1776. 💯✌
"Sit down, John!"
It will happen someday!
@@ReelHistory LOL...whenever I think of John Adams, the first thing that always goes through my head is "he's obnoxious and unliked, you know that, sir!" 😂😂😂
This is a Really good analysis and quite intriguing, including to persons like me who haven't seen the TV mini series.
Recommend instant classic _Boston Massacre_ by Massachusetts Judge Hiller Zobell. While still a lawyer he researched the legal case in both Boston and London.
Per Hiller Zobel's book on the subject...the Boston Massacre jury was PACKED with loyalists and the judge was handpicked by the Crown so...that helped Adams.
Happy 4th of July!!!
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Wow. Amazing content.
Thank you, thoroughly enjoyed the episode and the 18th Century insight from Emily. Still having trouble with the language - the troops are not a foreign occupying army from a contemporary point of view, so surely they should be referred to at this stage simply as "the Army" until there's another army involved, namely the Continental Army, and then you correctly have to make a distinction with the "British Army". The scriptwriters don't seem to have been able to leave the 21st Century. Donald Johnson's book title - "Occupied America" seems to jump the gun as well. It all sounds like an attempt to justify revolution, which is something that Britain has always objected to, unless it's 'Glorious' or 'Industrial'. Canada asked nicely, so we said yes!
Or "the regulars" as opposed to local militia
@@sartanawillpay7977 - I think at this stage there was no militia, that is exactly my point. The Army were used as a justification for raising a militia and then a Continental Army.
@@davemac1197 The Massachusetts militia existed before the Revolution (founded in 17th century) and every town was expected to maintain a company. In 1774 one county's Convention required all officers to resign in order to weed out loyalists. The Massachusetts Provincial Congress recommend that all counties do the same. When Revere rode with his warning his message was "the regulars are out!"
Man.. I wish Americans and Spaniards have not erased or mutilated my countries' history. Be nice to have stories like this based on my own heritage.
Yeah this is great content
Subbed quick when she said she worked in Williamsburg. Always wanted to.
I enjoyed watching this very informative reaction. But should it not be the British East India Company ships that were boarded not the Dutch East India Company?
thank you
You are welcome!
great job
I need to check, are you going to review or have you done Sons of Liberty??
We might, but it may induce our vomiting.
Massachusetts-Bay enacted anti-riot laws with language equivalent to the British law.