Regarding Matt Sydal/CM Punk, I don't know how many people know that these two came up together in the indies. Both got their big break in IWA-Mid South and are pretty good friends. Matt doesn't get enough credit and Punk fed a ton to him to make him look good.
If i remember right the bobby fish wasnt supposed to kick out at all but he did it intentionally to try and make himself look strong in defeat and thats why punk looked a bit shocked. I might be remembering it wrong though.
I thought Punk had some great matches in his first run . Hell , I liked his second run ! I was looking forward to more of it . Collision was banging the first several episodes . Especially some of those main events . Matches of the year in my book . But sh!t happens and im super tired of talking about the behind the scene drama at this point . No use .
@@Markyd123 Cant wait for you to do his second run . If there is enough matches . Do it anyways !!!! Love ya , thanks for the great content as always .
I look for him to pop up in wwe for a final run. Non of the immature bs drama. Tony khan messed up big time. Punk isn't faultless, however, but Tony khan allowed it to continue
I loved Punk's run in AEW, and I think his feud with MJF was AEW's best ever feud period, imo. I thought "Oh wow, the kayfabe is so good! Punk is the old guy struggling to keep up with these young guys, what great psychology!" but the reality was that Punk really was struggling to keep up 😂😂.
11:05 Sting's face randomly appearing in the bottom right-hand corner made me think he particularly approved of that move. In fact, he thought it was 'TOASTY!!!!!'
It was never about being the best: it was the promos, the post-show interviews, the praising the other wrestlers… CM Punk was everything about modern wrestling.
Exactly right. Punk said on many occasions that he wanted to help the younger wrestlers on the AEW roster. That is why he had so many matches with unknown people. He arguably gave them too much in each match but I can hardly blame him if he was trying to make new stars. Khan also does a horrendous job of consistently booking people so whatever Punk was trying to do was getting nuked by Tony's shitty booking. Punk's AEW run was about as good as any actual star could have in that bush league company. Jericho, Moxley, and Danielson's runs have been worse overall than Punks was.
@@jthom0027They've all had good runs, you don't have to say they haven't just to hammer home how good Punk was. Punk was great in aew for the short time he was there.
@@aerostrafe1075 Oh I remember his WWE run. It ended badly but his Shield run was pretty damn good and is the best he's ever looked. I hate the garbage death match crap he does in AEW. Plus his offense looks horrendous alot of the time.
@@TheRealAhoy Jericho and Danielson have had pretty good matches but their overall runs have been plagued with bad booking or injuries in Danielson's case (similar to Punk's). If you don't like death match garbage, Moxley's run has been abysmal.
An important thing about his earlier matches is that 1, he wanted to work with a lot of younger guys to give them a rub and 2, the story for Punk at the beginning of his run was that he was trying to shake off ring rust, hence why he went 50/50 with a lot of mid card guys
1-Giving a "rub" means nothing when he beats them in the end 2- shake off the ring rust lmao Edge is older and was retired longer than Punk and he went straight to main event matches and moved like he never left
I don't always agree with some of your opinions, but I do appreciate that you wind up covering stuff that other channels don't, which is cool and the presentation has gone up as well, which is cool, too.
Hangman hits a WICKED GTS. He should use that now that Punk's gone. Punk shit all over Hanger a few times, badly, and Hanger hasn't said a thing about old Phil, he's just let him stew. In their match here, Punk looks all pissy and can't believe he would be booed, or that empty headed Hangman would have split the crowd 50-50, and it's Hangman who actually gets the crowd to turn on him and go for Punk by doing the GTS mockery. This was still when Punk was beloved and the honeymoon phase hadn't worn off yet, pre-Elite brawl. They derailed Hangman here, who was on a huge run after beating Omega and ending that long story arc whose roots created AEW! Not gonna say keeping the belt on Hanger would have meant more money than the Punk/MJF feud, but they could have done more, a second match at least, where Punk beats him then. This one and done sent Hangman way back, most viewers won't view him in the same way, especially given the top heavy upper card.
Punk is not a top in ring performer yet HE IS a top pro wrestler. He’s average in the ring. His mic work is top 3 of all time at least. His undestanding of wrestling psychology is exceptional. And he’s a grump. Mount rushmore 4 me
Punks AEW run could’ve been better if he had a competent booker. Idk why AEW felt the need to have his matches run so long. AEW cannot learn that less is more.
He def had better shit going on in WWE, I feel like his age made him shit out pretty fast compared to other older wrestlers. Edit: Would def prefer his shit to 5 Canadian destroyers in a row and a top rope fuckinator leading to a 1 count
I never really understood the dislike for his style of wrestling, it is exciting, somehow always has something different about them, and long enough for it to have high stakes. Not trying to have an argument, I just wanna understand the point of view
@@San-li9ml If we are talking about Omega, to me, he doesn't tell good stories in the ring. He doesn't convincingly sell. He does way too much goofy shit in the ring for me to take him seriously. He also looks like a goof which doesn't help his cause either but that's just me being a dick. He is also one of the worst mic guys I've ever had the misfortune of listening to. You can tell he was never properly trained.
@@jthom0027I think what it is about Omega is that he is somebody who's way better as a heel than a babyface just because he rubs so many wrestling purists and lapsed fans the wrong way even though he is legitimately one of the nicest people in the business. He's pretty damn entertaining as a sniveling, unhinged, opportunistic little prick like when he was doing the Belt Collector gimmick. I think another thing is that Omega is a reminder that wrestling fans are all geeks and nerds, and I mean that in a good way. I think wrestling purists don't like being reminded that deep down we're all geeks. I could listen to Omega shoot talk about a match, analyze it, and break the match down all day. He has such a fascinating way of discussing this kind of stuff.
Lee Moriarty was a nobody when Punk wrestled him & AEW still employs him & He's still a nobody. This is the only notable thing he's ever done bc that's how Tony Khan books
i don't know if this has been done before in wrestling but after seeing match 12 and 13, i really want to see a doomsday device turned into a reverse hurricarana
CM Punk doing for Matt Sydal what AEW hasn't done for him yet which is try to elevate him because Sydal is a great talent who deserves to at least be in the upper midcard. Fucking Young Bucks
Still think Punk’s demeanor and attitude completely changed after his foot injury. Pre-injury punk loved wrestling. Afterwards, he endured it for the paychecks.
No its more like things changed when he realized that the EVP's were shit talking him to Meltzer and Khan wouldn't do anything about it. When he realized that he was trying to fight for a team that didn't seem to like or respect him, he was out.
Oh please he was the only star AEW had and the only thing it proved was AEW is WCW all over again. Over ratted? And you want us to not think you’re a total idiot? Lol
I only watched the first match of this run. I thought him vs Allen would be a great match but I hated it. I remember thinking it was slow and you could visibly see punk calling spots during the match.
How can you sign the hottest free agent in wrestling and having him wrestle with Daniel García as his debut? The first months of Punk booking made 0 sense
Steamrolling the midcard was one of the stupidest booking decisions in AEW's short history. Establishing CM Punk in AEW would be like Rock coming back to Smackdown and beating Chad Gable and Luke Gallows.
I agree. They should've played out the story of him getting older and having ring rust which would've been a great reason to put over young talent. Then, once he proved himself in a few storylines he could've went for the World Heavyweight Title. Instead he became the HHH of AEW.
Exactly, Rock beat Erik Rowan in 8 seconds at mania and nobody gave a sh*t, planned match against Cena at mania and it became the biggest mania in history. Big difference and awful booking by AEW.
A second-rate company with incompetent management couldn't possibly deal with top talent. The toxic work environment has made sure AEW will never rise above the embarassing indie weeby stuff.
The Matt Sydal match was incredibly one sided but the one with Wardlow where Punk just eats like 19 elevated powerbombs in a row and still wins has to be the most egregious by far
Oh, I forgot I was watching the UFC! Wait, I’m not?…. It’s scripted? They told a story? They made it obvious Wardlow could’ve won at any time but MJF’s shit screwed him? Fuck my life
For Punk to come back after so long out, I thought his early stuff was actually pretty good, and he got better as he went. Just skimmed through and fair scoring on the whole in my eyes, if a bit negative in areas. For me you can see in the first 10-15 he was putting over other talent by making the match competitive, and that meant some pacing issues/things went a bit long, but it was a rusty veteran versus pretty green rookies, so I rein in my expectations personally as a result.
Yep this is an accurate take. He said on many occasions that he was coming back to help the young stars in that locker room and he actually tried. Unfortunately for Punk, he was sometimes in the ring with people that had never been in actual wrestling matches before that weren't just spot fests so there were some botches. He would also make people look good just for them to be forgotten by booker of the year Tony Khan the next week. I'm not sure I ever saw Lee Moriarty again after the Punk match.
Maybe add a couple more paragraphs making more excuses for this run that has done extraordinary damage to the entire brand of AEW. That might make the cope in your post less obvious.
@@ellisdalton4282 This video and my comment are about his run of matches. The political BS is secondary and I don't really care. If you want to have petty 'wrestling wars' by all means do it, but I'm simply not interested. I want wrestling to be good, regardless of whether it's WWE or AEW.
Honestly I dont think its an issue of "getting on with the times". Dont hate modern wrestling but kicking out of so many hard hitting moves in a random match is ridiculous
The flipping clothesline thing is one of Hangmans finishers its called the "buckshot lariat", and when punk did it to silver it was meant to mock hangman. Punk called his the "punk-shot lariat".
Yea I kinda caught that too late. It got to the point where making small commentary adjustments is a waste of time as the video is going to get taken down anyway.
@@RockerxxRicardo I watch both MMA and Pro Wrestling. When I saw "CM Punk joins UFC." On an article my first thought was "oh no." Should have bet money with my friends that thought he was gonna win. Could've made $300.
@@Casey_The_Editorin fairness UFC popularity is based on Brock Lesnar. Just look at their buyrates before him and after. But Brock looked like he could win and was a legit wrestler….while Punk has a regular man build
Agree with most of this video but the Kingston match was unbelievable when it happened. It's also important to note just how hot Kingston was at the time. It was a 2 week build to a one off match at a ppv in a sprint (by punk standards at least). It just felt so fresh not just for punk but in wrestling as a whole at the time. And this run really shows how difficult Ring of the Hawk actually is. It's easy to watch the videos on runs you didn't see but the context really is everything. Nice to see a run I was actually watching so I can see how the matches are graded in comparison to watching the shows.
It does but I already gave him more time than almost anyone else on the show. Plus I have no faith the video won’t get taken down, so is that time wel spent?
The energy from AEW's fanbase at his return really made a lot of these matches work at the time... However, I think Punk has always struggled in ring as a good guy. Whether you like him or not, and I do, the guy is a bit of an asshole - and he works better when he plays that up psychologically in-ring. It sucks that it didn't end up working out. In retrospect, if you're only going to have Punk for 40 matches or whatever, they really botched the choice of opponents here. Darby and MJF make sense, but why is this guy in the ring with Matt Sydal or Bobby Fish?
Obviously I’ve dealt with copyright in wresting since 2018. I’m pretty much an expert on it. I will let you all know if AEW treat me different to WWE etc.
I suppose it's slightly ironic that CM Punk's late career work with AEW was characterised by overly long, self-indulgent and boring matches. Punk's end career was similar to Triple He's body of work; where all matches were dragged out and way too long.
AEW has a lot of botchy wrestlers and punk was saddled with a lot of them. AEW has an issue with overbooking and overlong matches with no real reason. It’s why I can never get into it, everything is 100 finisher kick outs, finishers that aren’t as cool as other spots in the match and way too many unnecessary dangerous spots. It’s basically an indie show with a billion dollars.
I think the combination of him being away for so long, leading to multiple injuries and with all of the real life drama just made the whole thing disappointing.
@@DasNordlicht91 I think he shouldve traded places with danielson, in that punk shouldve kept wrestling midcard and uppermid card stars and danielson shouldve won the title as a heel.
The thing about Punk’s matches is that as he had more of them and got older, his body started to give up on him which led to botches and bad-looking moves and finishes. Oh and that self-inflicted suspension didn't help his cause
@@TrueTrueTrainnot exactly, Flair dove head first into his character more and more as he got older(even though he loved to wrestle) and people prefered seeing his character work rather than seeing him wrestle I do get your point though, but it can't hold true for Punk because none of these other yesteryear guys were coming off a 7 year break, barring Edge and Christian I guess and even then Edge got injured 6 months in his first run
With the MJF matches, a lot of it revolved around the promos they were cutting on one another. Highly recommend you take a look back on those when you get the chance if you haven’t already, it was very compelling. Love the video regardless keep up the excellent work!! Shuv it!!
I think the issue with Punk's run is that his specialness wore off very quick. He never shoukd have been on TV as frequently as he was. I understand that he eas trying to work off the ring rust, but this guy should have been used like a special attraction. He should have been used like how WWE uses Brock. Bring him in every once in a while to build up to the big shows and build up the big storylines.
Watching Punk in ROH back in the day he always seemed uncoordinated compared to most of the roster, alot of his moves looked sloppy. He never really got better in the ring imo, its always been his promo skills that got him over.
@@jeffers1985yup I saw that. It’s no different to the the WWE though who have taken around 60 of my videos in my career. It’s part of the package if you want to do wresting TH-cam.
Keep this man out of wrestling forever. This man was toxic. Not just in AEW, but in WWE. Not to mention he was so much slower and sloppier in the ring. He's getting old. Just stop
@@Markyd123 yeah, I don't get the hype with most of the matches. Some were genuinely good like him and Lee. But most people rate it high due to nostalgia for Punk
Very much appreciate your work as always, Marky. Another great video. One thing I would say though, is you left out a lot of contextual points. Don't you generally put promos and storylines into a ROH evaluation? He had a lot of great work with MJF up to the dog collar match. A lot of drama with Hangman. The bad storyline with Mox/Punk at the end, pre-All Out.
Yea you’re right I do. But I have zero faith this video won’t get blocked and I already worked on it for three days. And other than the mjf storyline his promos were also a b for me.
I was always taught that for every action there is a reaction. If you do something negative, then something negative will happen to you. Punk didn’t start any of this bullshit. Page shot on punk first, went into business for himself and punk even asked “why are you taking this so seriously? Why are you making this personal?” On fuckin air. Then Bobby fish went into business for himself and kicked out of the GTS at three as the ref rang the bell like he was hulk hogan or something trying to make himself look strong, and then the dirt sheets went fuckin nuts blaming punk for shit he didn’t even do, while Tony khan is constantly saying “none of these things are true, please don’t read the dirt sheets” he begged fans to not read into Dave meltzers bull shit and they gobbled it up like pig feed. He gets injured and it’s all anyone talks about is “punk got cabana fired. Page said so” even as Tony says publicly that cabana was taken off air months before cm punk was signed and that “Cabana was signed to a ROH exclusive contract as soon as Tony bought ROH and to blame punk for that is unfair.” That’s an exact quote. Then we find out from moxleys own chicken lips on his wife’s podcast that Moxley wasn’t even signed to a contract when they made him interim champion, that he was on a pay by appearance schedule so when they told him to drop the belt back to punk he admits he said “I’m doing you guys the fuckin favor here, so you’re gonna do it how I want, I’m not obligated to be here I can take this belt and go to summerslam right now if I wanted.” His exact quote go watch the podcast. So moxley held the belt at ransom, forced punk and Tony to agree to punk getting squashed in 3 minutes by him which is fuckin stupid it kills any heat and momentum punk had. Just so punk can win the belt back at All in. And he got hurt at all in and he finally let all those frustrations out and I can’t blame him, dealing with Page, Bobby fish, Moxley all going into business for themselves and getting away with it. The bull shit from meltzer, getting reinjured. Who wouldn’t admit by that point “this company isn’t being run very well.”
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Regarding Matt Sydal/CM Punk, I don't know how many people know that these two came up together in the indies. Both got their big break in IWA-Mid South and are pretty good friends.
Matt doesn't get enough credit and Punk fed a ton to him to make him look good.
If i remember right the bobby fish wasnt supposed to kick out at all but he did it intentionally to try and make himself look strong in defeat and thats why punk looked a bit shocked. I might be remembering it wrong though.
Exactly he shoot on punk like hangman
@@dranzerjetli5126or like punk on hangman latter on, or punk on Kenny and the young bucks.
@@greenrandall143hangman shouldn’t have started it lol
I didn't realize he had so few matches to compete in Ring of the Hawk, haha. Busy now but will definitely watch later. Love this channel!
I thought Punk had some great matches in his first run . Hell , I liked his second run ! I was looking forward to more of it . Collision was banging the first several episodes . Especially some of those main events . Matches of the year in my book . But sh!t happens and im super tired of talking about the behind the scene drama at this point . No use .
You and me both!
@@Markyd123 Cant wait for you to do his second run . If there is enough matches . Do it anyways !!!! Love ya , thanks for the great content as always .
I look for him to pop up in wwe for a final run. Non of the immature bs drama. Tony khan messed up big time. Punk isn't faultless, however, but Tony khan allowed it to continue
@@Markyd123please do more aew vids.
@@douggoins2960 I agree with all that .
I loved Punk's run in AEW, and I think his feud with MJF was AEW's best ever feud period, imo.
I thought "Oh wow, the kayfabe is so good! Punk is the old guy struggling to keep up with these young guys, what great psychology!" but the reality was that Punk really was struggling to keep up 😂😂.
it was
Which isn't a bad thing, he did great things in this run and it proved he could hang, even if people say barely.
11:05 Sting's face randomly appearing in the bottom right-hand corner made me think he particularly approved of that move. In fact, he thought it was 'TOASTY!!!!!'
It was never about being the best: it was the promos, the post-show interviews, the praising the other wrestlers… CM Punk was everything about modern wrestling.
Exactly right. Punk said on many occasions that he wanted to help the younger wrestlers on the AEW roster. That is why he had so many matches with unknown people. He arguably gave them too much in each match but I can hardly blame him if he was trying to make new stars. Khan also does a horrendous job of consistently booking people so whatever Punk was trying to do was getting nuked by Tony's shitty booking. Punk's AEW run was about as good as any actual star could have in that bush league company. Jericho, Moxley, and Danielson's runs have been worse overall than Punks was.
@@jthom0027 You think Mox aew run is bad? Do you remember what he was doing in wwe before?
@@jthom0027They've all had good runs, you don't have to say they haven't just to hammer home how good Punk was. Punk was great in aew for the short time he was there.
@@aerostrafe1075 Oh I remember his WWE run. It ended badly but his Shield run was pretty damn good and is the best he's ever looked. I hate the garbage death match crap he does in AEW. Plus his offense looks horrendous alot of the time.
@@TheRealAhoy Jericho and Danielson have had pretty good matches but their overall runs have been plagued with bad booking or injuries in Danielson's case (similar to Punk's). If you don't like death match garbage, Moxley's run has been abysmal.
An important thing about his earlier matches is that 1, he wanted to work with a lot of younger guys to give them a rub and 2, the story for Punk at the beginning of his run was that he was trying to shake off ring rust, hence why he went 50/50 with a lot of mid card guys
1-Giving a "rub" means nothing when he beats them in the end
2- shake off the ring rust lmao Edge is older and was retired longer than Punk and he went straight to main event matches and moved like he never left
@@Syfcobra8549thank you for exposing yourself as a complete idiot
he buried every young guy in company. it took Darby almost a year to recover
Begging you to cover the Lord Tensai run. Pure gold.
Gotta watch this quickly before Tony Kahn complains and gets this video taken down lol 😂
I give it 12 hours I’m open to all bets though.
@@Markyd123I give it less than 5 hours
I can already see his manbaby face grimace and his soy dripping from his sweat glands.
@@WolfEatZombiesfive hours of revenue for me then 😂😂😂
@@Markyd123Facts 😂
I don't always agree with some of your opinions, but I do appreciate that you wind up covering stuff that other channels don't, which is cool and the presentation has gone up as well, which is cool, too.
Can you do Jershow on roh they had 25 matches and were very entertaining .
Hangman hits a WICKED GTS. He should use that now that Punk's gone. Punk shit all over Hanger a few times, badly, and Hanger hasn't said a thing about old Phil, he's just let him stew. In their match here, Punk looks all pissy and can't believe he would be booed, or that empty headed Hangman would have split the crowd 50-50, and it's Hangman who actually gets the crowd to turn on him and go for Punk by doing the GTS mockery. This was still when Punk was beloved and the honeymoon phase hadn't worn off yet, pre-Elite brawl. They derailed Hangman here, who was on a huge run after beating Omega and ending that long story arc whose roots created AEW! Not gonna say keeping the belt on Hanger would have meant more money than the Punk/MJF feud, but they could have done more, a second match at least, where Punk beats him then. This one and done sent Hangman way back, most viewers won't view him in the same way, especially given the top heavy upper card.
great vid one ive been waiting for
Punk is not a top in ring performer yet HE IS a top pro wrestler.
He’s average in the ring.
His mic work is top 3 of all time at least.
His undestanding of wrestling psychology is exceptional.
And he’s a grump.
Mount rushmore 4 me
AEW is new to me... the chick ref, what an absolute ball drainer
Don Stevens 👀
HIT BABA BOOEY WITH A BRICK HAWK HOGAN!!!!!
Punks AEW run could’ve been better if he had a competent booker. Idk why AEW felt the need to have his matches run so long. AEW cannot learn that less is more.
Glad to be here before this video gets flagged by Tony Khan’s minions
Let’s goooo 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I am curious to see WCW Lochness as well
Me too. Be pretty quick to make.
i remember him@@Markyd123
do haystacks calhoun too@@Markyd123
He def had better shit going on in WWE, I feel like his age made him shit out pretty fast compared to other older wrestlers.
Edit: Would def prefer his shit to 5 Canadian destroyers in a row and a top rope fuckinator leading to a 1 count
23 matches in 1 year. That's a lot of cash per match. AJ Lee better have got a good Christmas gift from this
The best CM Punk praise comment. This is funny
"Just because a match is long doesn't mean it's good." God I feel this way with a lot of wrestlers right now, Omega being a prime example.
Watching a Omega or Bucks match is like watching a Street Fighter match with a 30 minute time clock. No selling, just moves.
I never really understood the dislike for his style of wrestling, it is exciting, somehow always has something different about them, and long enough for it to have high stakes. Not trying to have an argument, I just wanna understand the point of view
@@San-li9ml If we are talking about Omega, to me, he doesn't tell good stories in the ring. He doesn't convincingly sell. He does way too much goofy shit in the ring for me to take him seriously. He also looks like a goof which doesn't help his cause either but that's just me being a dick. He is also one of the worst mic guys I've ever had the misfortune of listening to. You can tell he was never properly trained.
@@jthom0027 Yeah I can see how you would think that, the only good part of his promos is the way he ends it, it's catchy ngl
@@jthom0027I think what it is about Omega is that he is somebody who's way better as a heel than a babyface just because he rubs so many wrestling purists and lapsed fans the wrong way even though he is legitimately one of the nicest people in the business. He's pretty damn entertaining as a sniveling, unhinged, opportunistic little prick like when he was doing the Belt Collector gimmick. I think another thing is that Omega is a reminder that wrestling fans are all geeks and nerds, and I mean that in a good way. I think wrestling purists don't like being reminded that deep down we're all geeks. I could listen to Omega shoot talk about a match, analyze it, and break the match down all day. He has such a fascinating way of discussing this kind of stuff.
I for one am not a fan of Cookie Puss
Don't sleep on Lee Moriarty. The guy is criminally underrated.
Not counting his match against Moxley and Shawn Spears, his shortest match was still 8 minutes.
Lee Moriarty was a nobody when Punk wrestled him & AEW still employs him & He's still a nobody. This is the only notable thing he's ever done bc that's how Tony Khan books
Hawk really gets annoyed when they say the refs name that’s such a wired thing to get upset about lol
i don't know if this has been done before in wrestling but after seeing match 12 and 13, i really want to see a doomsday device turned into a reverse hurricarana
Was watching a Matt Cardona video and he has your "a wild slapnuts appears" on it, thought I cannot escape that guy (Jeff not Marky)
CM Punk doing for Matt Sydal what AEW hasn't done for him yet which is try to elevate him because Sydal is a great talent who deserves to at least be in the upper midcard. Fucking Young Bucks
Can you do MJF in CZW
Careful Markyd Tony might get his sensitive feelings hurt and may try and take this down like he did with Stevie Richard’s video.
Bobby fish actually tried to sabotage that match.
He worked that ring rust off pretty fast, probably by wardlow,but Jesus do the aew jobbers suck.
28:30 Didn’t Punk injure himself doing this? Maybe I’m mistaken.
Yup
@@d.52555 Thanks. 👍
Still think Punk’s demeanor and attitude completely changed after his foot injury. Pre-injury punk loved wrestling. Afterwards, he endured it for the paychecks.
No its more like things changed when he realized that the EVP's were shit talking him to Meltzer and Khan wouldn't do anything about it. When he realized that he was trying to fight for a team that didn't seem to like or respect him, he was out.
@@jthom0027I don’t blame him
AEW proved Punk is not as good in real life as he is in his own head. Probably one of the most over ratted wrestlers of all time. 👍
Oh please he was the only star AEW had and the only thing it proved was AEW is WCW all over again. Over ratted? And you want us to not think you’re a total idiot? Lol
@@viperrecords3288 I never said AEW was good. Ride that CM Punk D harder guy. 🤣
Punk was aew’s biggest draw, no one matters in the company and that’s a fact.
@@walterspencer7524 okay WWE simp 👍
Great vid as always but I think Ring of the Hawk Season 4 should have............THE Rated R Superstar.
I was live at the CM Punk vs Matt Sydal.
I only watched the first match of this run. I thought him vs Allen would be a great match but I hated it. I remember thinking it was slow and you could visibly see punk calling spots during the match.
Was at Full Gear '21. When Eddy suckerpunched Punk, there was an explosion of cheers.
I was hoping to see the Pepsi pukes spinning kick he tried to hit Mike Jackson with 😮
Sucks. It really was a fun time in the beginning.
good till the end for me
You are in a groove MarkyD.
How can you sign the hottest free agent in wrestling and having him wrestle with Daniel García as his debut? The first months of Punk booking made 0 sense
actually shocked he only had 23 matches
In the first run. There’s another 10 to watch on top of that too when he came back on collision.
Steamrolling the midcard was one of the stupidest booking decisions in AEW's short history. Establishing CM Punk in AEW would be like Rock coming back to Smackdown and beating Chad Gable and Luke Gallows.
I agree. They should've played out the story of him getting older and having ring rust which would've been a great reason to put over young talent. Then, once he proved himself in a few storylines he could've went for the World Heavyweight Title. Instead he became the HHH of AEW.
Exactly, Rock beat Erik Rowan in 8 seconds at mania and nobody gave a sh*t, planned match against Cena at mania and it became the biggest mania in history. Big difference and awful booking by AEW.
Yes
Dude he came back even after this.
A fun RotH video could be Christian Cage's latest Impact! run
Hopefully it doesnt get taken down in 30 mins im trying to watch this one!
Just dl it
@@Markyd123 watching right now great work Hawk
CM punk was brought just to get new audiences to aew, the 5star wrestling was handled Bryan Danielson and he delivered
A second-rate company with incompetent management couldn't possibly deal with top talent. The toxic work environment has made sure AEW will never rise above the embarassing indie weeby stuff.
Glad this guy is gone, what ever good he did is far outweighed by the damage he caused
To think he has an bigger Ego than Slap Nutzzzzz
That match with Wardlow was Super Cena-levels of booking.
It was just Bullshit
The Matt Sydal match was incredibly one sided but the one with Wardlow where Punk just eats like 19 elevated powerbombs in a row and still wins has to be the most egregious by far
The efed I'm in just booked a match like that, and I had a problem with it there, too.
If you play with your food it doesn’t Matter what happens before
He let MJF distract him from a victory
Clearly that was the story
It only made sense of they were planning a heel turn shortly
Oh, I forgot I was watching the UFC! Wait, I’m not?…. It’s scripted? They told a story? They made it obvious Wardlow could’ve won at any time but MJF’s shit screwed him? Fuck my life
@@PhilVanderIV You mean you don't collar and elbow lock up in real fights? smh
For Punk to come back after so long out, I thought his early stuff was actually pretty good, and he got better as he went. Just skimmed through and fair scoring on the whole in my eyes, if a bit negative in areas. For me you can see in the first 10-15 he was putting over other talent by making the match competitive, and that meant some pacing issues/things went a bit long, but it was a rusty veteran versus pretty green rookies, so I rein in my expectations personally as a result.
Yep this is an accurate take. He said on many occasions that he was coming back to help the young stars in that locker room and he actually tried. Unfortunately for Punk, he was sometimes in the ring with people that had never been in actual wrestling matches before that weren't just spot fests so there were some botches. He would also make people look good just for them to be forgotten by booker of the year Tony Khan the next week. I'm not sure I ever saw Lee Moriarty again after the Punk match.
You put it perfectly brother.
Maybe add a couple more paragraphs making more excuses for this run that has done extraordinary damage to the entire brand of AEW. That might make the cope in your post less obvious.
@@ellisdalton4282 This video and my comment are about his run of matches. The political BS is secondary and I don't really care. If you want to have petty 'wrestling wars' by all means do it, but I'm simply not interested. I want wrestling to be good, regardless of whether it's WWE or AEW.
@@tubey84 That was only one paragraph.
It's a damn shame how everything turned out. This started out as HUGE and a long overdue comeback. All well, now we know how a CM return would go.
Honestly I dont think its an issue of "getting on with the times". Dont hate modern wrestling but kicking out of so many hard hitting moves in a random match is ridiculous
The flipping clothesline thing is one of Hangmans finishers its called the "buckshot lariat", and when punk did it to silver it was meant to mock hangman. Punk called his the "punk-shot lariat".
Marky knows the finishers, there Nwa-Tna reviews where he spot Elix Skipper doing Buckshot Lariat.
Yea I kinda caught that too late. It got to the point where making small commentary adjustments is a waste of time as the video is going to get taken down anyway.
@@Markyd123 You're good man. I enjoy your content. I honestly didn't know if you were unaware or if it was some kind of satire.
Imagine having to use a move like that to beat 5'2 Jobber Jon Silver when you're one of the most famous wrestlers in the world 🤦
Honestly sucks that Punk decided to wait so long before coming back to the wrestling world.
because despite all the mark fanboying, Punk cares about money the most.
Him going to UFC didn't help any.
@@Casey_The_Editor oh yeah his debut match was a total joke
@@RockerxxRicardo I watch both MMA and Pro Wrestling. When I saw "CM Punk joins UFC." On an article my first thought was "oh no." Should have bet money with my friends that thought he was gonna win. Could've made $300.
@@Casey_The_Editorin fairness UFC popularity is based on Brock Lesnar. Just look at their buyrates before him and after.
But Brock looked like he could win and was a legit wrestler….while Punk has a regular man build
Agree with most of this video but the Kingston match was unbelievable when it happened. It's also important to note just how hot Kingston was at the time. It was a 2 week build to a one off match at a ppv in a sprint (by punk standards at least). It just felt so fresh not just for punk but in wrestling as a whole at the time. And this run really shows how difficult Ring of the Hawk actually is. It's easy to watch the videos on runs you didn't see but the context really is everything. Nice to see a run I was actually watching so I can see how the matches are graded in comparison to watching the shows.
It’s crazy that I never realized this show never looked at story or match psychology of the run. That cuts out so much of the story of the run
It does but I already gave him more time than almost anyone else on the show. Plus I have no faith the video won’t get taken down, so is that time wel spent?
The energy from AEW's fanbase at his return really made a lot of these matches work at the time... However, I think Punk has always struggled in ring as a good guy. Whether you like him or not, and I do, the guy is a bit of an asshole - and he works better when he plays that up psychologically in-ring. It sucks that it didn't end up working out.
In retrospect, if you're only going to have Punk for 40 matches or whatever, they really botched the choice of opponents here. Darby and MJF make sense, but why is this guy in the ring with Matt Sydal or Bobby Fish?
I wanna see Bobby Fish’s “where’s the lie” run in impact
Where’s the what
@@Markyd123 His recent return to Impact from this year after he failed to convince Adam Cole and Kyle O'Reilly to leave with him for WWE.
@@Markyd123bro just watch his promo when he debuted. You could hear one of the hawk’s feathers hitting the ground with the amount of crowd reaction
The only person that cares about Bobby Fish is Bobby Fish. He is an unprofessional ass clown.
BF SUCKS!
Hey man so I’m warning you that AEW might take this video down cause they’ve been taking down a lot of peoples videos down.
I’m not expecting it to stay up but at least I can say I finally made this video.
They only seem to take down videos criticising them.
Yeah they took down Stevie Richards video because he expose these people
@@ryanrichardson76it’s it them or Warner cause Warner are known for taking videos out
Obviously I’ve dealt with copyright in wresting since 2018. I’m pretty much an expert on it. I will let you all know if AEW treat me different to WWE etc.
I suppose it's slightly ironic that CM Punk's late career work with AEW was characterised by overly long, self-indulgent and boring matches. Punk's end career was similar to Triple He's body of work; where all matches were dragged out and way too long.
This video put alot of people's safety in danger and made me fear for my life
Tbh nobody was really in the right in the situation. At least to me.
AEW has a lot of botchy wrestlers and punk was saddled with a lot of them. AEW has an issue with overbooking and overlong matches with no real reason. It’s why I can never get into it, everything is 100 finisher kick outs, finishers that aren’t as cool as other spots in the match and way too many unnecessary dangerous spots. It’s basically an indie show with a billion dollars.
I think the combination of him being away for so long, leading to multiple injuries and with all of the real life drama just made the whole thing disappointing.
CM Punk's run was bizarre from start to finish
It started off promising, but veered into weirdness by the time the Hangman feud came and the wheels kinda fell off after All Out 2022.
@@DasNordlicht91 This
@@DasNordlicht91literally. Not only was that the start of Punk coming unglued but it was also the beginning of his body really breaking down.
@@DasNordlicht91 I think he shouldve traded places with danielson, in that punk shouldve kept wrestling midcard and uppermid card stars and danielson shouldve won the title as a heel.
But have you seen rocky 3?
CM Punk's AEW tenure can be perfectly described with a certain meme from South Park"
"You blew it! You had it all and you blew it!"
AEW blew it. That’s why their ratings are in the toilet
@@viperrecords3288Their ratings not only have been unchanged since CM Pussy flamed out, but their about to cut an HBO Max deal.
Cry me a river 😉
I liked this vid for the HAWK. CM Punk is a clown
I will say, the promo Moxley cut after beating Punk was pretty great where he goes "what? is that not what you guys wanted?"
Look into the whole Bobby fish CM punk shenanigans going on right now
This video is gonna get hella views 4 sure
I give it 12 hours
Better watch now, guys, because wbd will flag this eventually
watching this before WBD takes it down
The thing about Punk’s matches is that as he had more of them and got older, his body started to give up on him which led to botches and bad-looking moves and finishes. Oh and that self-inflicted suspension didn't help his cause
It all depends how good the person he was wrestling if they could make him look good
Self inflicted? You’ve got to be kidding.
@@LimaKiloRomeoYup, self-inflected. He acted like a duck during the press conference, and his friend bit Kenney.
Most wrestlers do have more matches as they get older as their character doesn't do it for them anymore. Hardy Boyz are a good example.
@@TrueTrueTrainnot exactly, Flair dove head first into his character more and more as he got older(even though he loved to wrestle) and people prefered seeing his character work rather than seeing him wrestle
I do get your point though, but it can't hold true for Punk because none of these other yesteryear guys were coming off a 7 year break, barring Edge and Christian I guess and even then Edge got injured 6 months in his first run
Im saving this to watch later but I know how AEW can be. Hopefully you got your bases covered.
No better time for me to drop this. It’s now or never 😂
With the MJF matches, a lot of it revolved around the promos they were cutting on one another. Highly recommend you take a look back on those when you get the chance if you haven’t already, it was very compelling. Love the video regardless keep up the excellent work!! Shuv it!!
I think the issue with Punk's run is that his specialness wore off very quick. He never shoukd have been on TV as frequently as he was. I understand that he eas trying to work off the ring rust, but this guy should have been used like a special attraction. He should have been used like how WWE uses Brock. Bring him in every once in a while to build up to the big shows and build up the big storylines.
Yea I agree but maybe a bit more than Brock shows up.
Watching Punk in ROH back in the day he always seemed uncoordinated compared to most of the roster, alot of his moves looked sloppy. He never really got better in the ring imo, its always been his promo skills that got him over.
i had a dream cm punk debuted in wwe and beat up old producers on the way to the entrance ramp. xD
Little bit of roh before bedtime 😊
He shouldn't have dove into the crowd that is what injured him
I wouldn't worry about demonetization, I'd be more worried about Warner blocking the video.
Best watch it whilst you can then 😂
Aew have been aggressive with blocking. They took Stevie Richards vid down showing in detail fenix given out the concussions on moxley
@@jeffers1985yup I saw that. It’s no different to the the WWE though who have taken around 60 of my videos in my career. It’s part of the package if you want to do wresting TH-cam.
@@Markyd123 Try to add watermarks or some slight edits so the footage doesn't get ID'd.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5vI’m sure he’s never tried any of that since 19
This should be a good vid
I loved CM Punk's run a lot. But his ego was too massive and ruined it for himself at the end.
So the Elite don’t have any fault right lol how those AEW ratings? 😂
Hangman carried the Punk match. Punk has shown has has lost his touch. His ego on top of that made his AEW run terrible for me.
It's really sad that Punk isn't who we though he was.
He is better
Keep this man out of wrestling forever. This man was toxic. Not just in AEW, but in WWE. Not to mention he was so much slower and sloppier in the ring. He's getting old. Just stop
Yea I agree about him looking slower and sloppier. His matches were all rated 4 plus stars online which shocked me.
@@Markyd123 yeah, I don't get the hype with most of the matches. Some were genuinely good like him and Lee. But most people rate it high due to nostalgia for Punk
Very much appreciate your work as always, Marky. Another great video. One thing I would say though, is you left out a lot of contextual points. Don't you generally put promos and storylines into a ROH evaluation? He had a lot of great work with MJF up to the dog collar match. A lot of drama with Hangman. The bad storyline with Mox/Punk at the end, pre-All Out.
Yea you’re right I do. But I have zero faith this video won’t get blocked and I already worked on it for three days. And other than the mjf storyline his promos were also a b for me.
Another quality episode.
I was always taught that for every action there is a reaction. If you do something negative, then something negative will happen to you. Punk didn’t start any of this bullshit. Page shot on punk first, went into business for himself and punk even asked “why are you taking this so seriously? Why are you making this personal?” On fuckin air. Then Bobby fish went into business for himself and kicked out of the GTS at three as the ref rang the bell like he was hulk hogan or something trying to make himself look strong, and then the dirt sheets went fuckin nuts blaming punk for shit he didn’t even do, while Tony khan is constantly saying “none of these things are true, please don’t read the dirt sheets” he begged fans to not read into Dave meltzers bull shit and they gobbled it up like pig feed. He gets injured and it’s all anyone talks about is “punk got cabana fired. Page said so” even as Tony says publicly that cabana was taken off air months before cm punk was signed and that “Cabana was signed to a ROH exclusive contract as soon as Tony bought ROH and to blame punk for that is unfair.” That’s an exact quote. Then we find out from moxleys own chicken lips on his wife’s podcast that Moxley wasn’t even signed to a contract when they made him interim champion, that he was on a pay by appearance schedule so when they told him to drop the belt back to punk he admits he said “I’m doing you guys the fuckin favor here, so you’re gonna do it how I want, I’m not obligated to be here I can take this belt and go to summerslam right now if I wanted.” His exact quote go watch the podcast. So moxley held the belt at ransom, forced punk and Tony to agree to punk getting squashed in 3 minutes by him which is fuckin stupid it kills any heat and momentum punk had. Just so punk can win the belt back at All in. And he got hurt at all in and he finally let all those frustrations out and I can’t blame him, dealing with Page, Bobby fish, Moxley all going into business for themselves and getting away with it. The bull shit from meltzer, getting reinjured. Who wouldn’t admit by that point “this company isn’t being run very well.”
CM Punk has the best matches backstage ever