I used the monorail for several years on a daily basis to go from south bank to courthouse. It was wonderful. It just needs a lot more stops and destinations.
no one rides it in Jax because no one lives downtown. Also, doesn’t link to the Jagaur’s stadium. Here in Miami, our people mover system is always packed almost elbow to elbow because we have plenty of condos/apartments, and our downtown population is soaring
@@john-oh9cr high rise condos on those several empty lots, including Lenny’s Lawn, would would increase ridership on the skyway a lot more than attractions. The thousands who use Miami’s metromover aren’t just using it to get to attractions. I can comment wherever I like. you should fix your city’s tired downtown, voter
that is false. There are more people living downtown than ever with the new apartments and condos they've built. the issue is even though there are many people living downtown, you're still going to need a car to get to work or the grocery store and most of the places accessible by the skyway are easily just walked to. I only ever used the skyway when I needed to get to san marco from FSCJ, otherwise it was just super easy to walk to wherever the next stop was. I will agree though, not linking to the stadium was a huge oversight.
Bro Miami DT over rated they think that shit is on Chicago NYC level or Shanghai China or sum shit y’all DT over rated af it’s not filled in it’s wack 🤷🏾♂️ we not trying be a big city like y’all portray to be sooooo 🤷🏾♂️
No I think the monorail is better. The pods seem like a government funded car service even though transit was meant to keep people off cars and keep roads car free.
I think expanding this to major areas and venturing out into the surrounding areas of Jacksonville would make this much more utilized! Especially with how bad traffic is getting.
Updating, expanding, and then increasing cars and frequency. How's about stopping with the promises, and just extending it out to the airport, Immeson, beaches, Naval bases, industrial and OP areas?!?
I'm really intrigued by this type of transit system that is so common in the US: short lines that only serve downtown and no major attraction or transport center like an airport, railway station, stadium or University, with small vehicles and meandering routes. They sure have engineers and urban planners that can tell them it's planning for failure, but for some reason they end up with this type of system. It must be by design
I'd replace it with light rail using the exact same, existing, infrastructure. Then I'd expand it to major traffic generators like the airport,sports venues, shopping districts, and give it coordinated and supportive land use planning:
It seems as if Miami & Jacksonville are the only two Florida cities that offer this. I wish Tampa Bay would adopt this. Phase 4 of the Brightline Rail's 110mph train is going to Jacksonville from Miami once Phase 3 to Tampa is completed.
As Brightline elsewhere in Florida has shown, people are not riding the Skyway in Jacksonville because transit = bad or people don't want to use transit. People are not using it, because the ones the system is designed for have no easy way to access it!
No, the monorail is definitely better. Automated cars in dedicated lanes or in mixed traffic??? No. That’s an accident waiting to happen, over and over again. What the monorail suffers from is lack of big draw destinations! The airport, the football stadium, and the beaches. Extend the monorail to those places and you'll solve 3/4 of the problem.
The real problem is that there are no transportation methods to get downtown. Who is going to take the skyway if they have to drive to it? Nobody. Build a commuter rail, light rail, or rapid bus network to get people to the city. This people mover has low capacity and is extremely expensive.
@@LucidFL actually it's a matter of how long as monorail are way cheaper to maintain safer and can achieve the same speeds as regular trains without regulation. Remember that this system is the same as disney uses. So capacity is only limited because we say it is not because it is
The Jacksonville system started out as a 4000 ft. long VAL peoplemover, now it's a monorail. In Chonqing, China, there are two long monorails built to rapid transit standards and they carried millions of people for years. Keep it monorail.
I definitely want to get to Jacksonville before they shut this down. I have hardly ridden on any proper monorail systems, and this is definitely one of those systems that is high on my list. Any idea when the official shut down date for the Skyway is expected?
@@perrrofrrredy I sure hope they don't actually shut it down. Better yet, I hope the automated car idea collapses on itself and the city chooses a better alternative if needed.
@@wlctransit7593 yeah, I saw something on the news a few weeks ago that JTA has a projected plan to expand it to the airport and parts south (for example: down Phillips Hwy and Roosevelt Blvd)
@@perrrofrrredy That will literally never happen. The transit authority has been talking about expanding to the Brooklyn and Riverside neighborhoods since 2014. The City even got a $1.7 million grant for a new Brooklyn station in 2020 and they still haven't even started construction The buses are mostly trash in Jacksonville too. Public transportation and biking is an afterthought while car traffic only gets worse and worse
This needs to be left as an elevated monorail but turned into a rapid transit type using the major Interstate middles as the platforms for the elevated tracks and other arteries in the city the same. It could be just like a subway in other northern cities and would pay for itself rather rapidly. There would not be a need for large parking lots since there would be stations throughout the city and people would just walk to them. I thought that that was the original idea.
No rapid system system pays for themselves. Once Americans know this then they can properly fund and contruct systems that benefit the region instead of what brings in the money
Following the Miami model: build a single, inadequate line, politicians pockets get lined, project left to die on the vine requiring subsidies all the way down.
I've lived in Jacksonville my entire life and worked downtown for a while. I have never used this thing. I forget it's there, to be honest. Even if I did remember, it doesn't have enough stops to be usable. The interstate, the 295 beltway, and the surface streets would be so much better if there was an expanded system that ran from the airport to Orange Park and from Beaches to Westside. This thing is just too tiny. It's only going to serve niche circumstances the way it is.
Who's the brain dead manager that thought it would be a good idea to block the view outward with wraps that don't even generate revenue? Nice way to treat your customers. Like does the artwork attract riders? Will their memory of their first ride be enhanced by this? I like this infrastructure, unfortunately when the embedded rebar rusts, they will just tear it down. Whatever money is around in the future will be needed to rebuild more essential facilities.
Looks nice but it's too much infrastructure for too little ridership... a ropeway would have done the job. Now replacing with self-driving pods...eehh. How about an elevated dedicated bikeway?
I’ve lived in Jax all my life and the only people who use this are the homeless. It needs to be more practical and stop at more frequented destinations.
@@godslove7708 they’re not saying they don’t have rights lol. They’re saying Jacksonville is a very big city & this is only in downtown - where they have a upsettingly large homeless population. Since it doesn’t cover very much bases, it’s not worth it for the average person.
@@godslove7708 So its okay for homeless people to set up shop and live in a monorail? Take that money and work on programs to help them. You go out there and ride the monorail and tell me how happy you are with it.
A billion dollar Disney ride. Jax is great at billion dollar eye catchers, but wont pave our streets. Crumbling streets, pot holes everywhere. Jax loves taxing and spending other people's money.
I'd encourage the wise leadership here in Jax to be even more foresighted. I like the idea of expanding to Riverside and self-driving cars, but why not look at cities like Houston and Austin? I work in service, Austin has buses to blue collar, low-income neighborhoods to get workers to their jobs than run until 3 am. Houston is expanding rail and building a network of dedicated bus lanes not subject to stop lights. JTA is more expensive than Austin and Houston, and has nothing to boast about when compared thereto. Money can be made, lowering carbon, and getting low-income people to their jobs can all be achieved with a farsighted and progressive leadership that I think Jax can do.
Initially it used VAL 256 cars, which were much more spacious than those and which ended up at O'hare's airport in Chicago. Now this system is pretty useless as it is (a la Detroit people mover). If only it could be expanded to the airport for ex....
This monorail is very stupid, an articulated bus would have had way more capacity and less need for new infastructure. Stick to trams if anything, as that would be seperated from the main traffic besides, you could use it for everything such as going to the shops or whatever it may be.
That’s not the problem with it, the problem is that it doesn’t go anywhere useful, if they expanded it to the airport or stadiums it would get very good ridership
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4:11 My favorite part.
I used the monorail for several years on a daily basis to go from south bank to courthouse. It was wonderful. It just needs a lot more stops and destinations.
no one rides it in Jax because no one lives downtown. Also, doesn’t link to the Jagaur’s stadium. Here in Miami, our people mover system is always packed almost elbow to elbow because we have plenty of condos/apartments, and our downtown population is soaring
there are a lot of people that live in downtown Jacksonville but there aren't enough attractions . so comment on your own City .
@@john-oh9cr high rise condos on those several empty lots, including Lenny’s Lawn, would would increase ridership on the skyway a lot more than attractions. The thousands who use Miami’s metromover aren’t just using it to get to attractions. I can comment wherever I like. you should fix your city’s tired downtown, voter
If this system went anywhere i would use it but i live in the middle of the city and the people here are too car supportive to see a different way.
that is false. There are more people living downtown than ever with the new apartments and condos they've built. the issue is even though there are many people living downtown, you're still going to need a car to get to work or the grocery store and most of the places accessible by the skyway are easily just walked to. I only ever used the skyway when I needed to get to san marco from FSCJ, otherwise it was just super easy to walk to wherever the next stop was.
I will agree though, not linking to the stadium was a huge oversight.
Bro Miami DT over rated they think that shit is on Chicago NYC level or Shanghai China or sum shit y’all DT over rated af it’s not filled in it’s wack 🤷🏾♂️ we not trying be a big city like y’all portray to be sooooo 🤷🏾♂️
No I think the monorail is better. The pods seem like a government funded car service even though transit was meant to keep people off cars and keep roads car free.
The monorail goes nowhere, is often broken down , and functions as a moving portopotty
I think expanding this to major areas and venturing out into the surrounding areas of Jacksonville would make this much more utilized! Especially with how bad traffic is getting.
Updating, expanding, and then increasing cars and frequency. How's about stopping with the promises, and just extending it out to the airport, Immeson, beaches, Naval bases, industrial and OP areas?!?
you know, i think i'd rather be in it, instead of being alone in those automated cars at night.
I'm really intrigued by this type of transit system that is so common in the US: short lines that only serve downtown and no major attraction or transport center like an airport, railway station, stadium or University, with small vehicles and meandering routes. They sure have engineers and urban planners that can tell them it's planning for failure, but for some reason they end up with this type of system. It must be by design
Elevated monorail is the best solution. Surface operation is not feasible. Traffic and transit don't mix.
Thanx Tim for posting this video.😀
They have no idea how big a mistake they're making by replacing it!
I'd replace it with light rail using the exact same, existing, infrastructure. Then I'd expand it to major traffic generators like the airport,sports venues, shopping districts, and give it coordinated and supportive land use planning:
It seems as if Miami & Jacksonville are the only two Florida cities that offer this. I wish Tampa Bay would adopt this.
Phase 4 of the Brightline Rail's 110mph train is going to Jacksonville from Miami once Phase 3 to Tampa is completed.
What was that instrumental on 4:11?
As Brightline elsewhere in Florida has shown, people are not riding the Skyway in Jacksonville because transit = bad or people don't want to use transit.
People are not using it, because the ones the system is designed for have no easy way to access it!
Looks cute! 😍
No, the monorail is definitely better. Automated cars in dedicated lanes or in mixed traffic??? No. That’s an accident waiting to happen, over and over again. What the monorail suffers from is lack of big draw destinations! The airport, the football stadium, and the beaches. Extend the monorail to those places and you'll solve 3/4 of the problem.
The real problem is that there are no transportation methods to get downtown. Who is going to take the skyway if they have to drive to it? Nobody. Build a commuter rail, light rail, or rapid bus network to get people to the city. This people mover has low capacity and is extremely expensive.
@Chuck Stegall you don't even ride the skyway fr
@@LucidFL actually it's a matter of how long as monorail are way cheaper to maintain safer and can achieve the same speeds as regular trains without regulation. Remember that this system is the same as disney uses. So capacity is only limited because we say it is not because it is
Especially in Florida
This should be expanded into all parts of the city. There's no reason for a city as large as jax to not be connected by a commuter rail system
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The Jacksonville system started out as a 4000 ft. long VAL peoplemover, now it's a monorail. In Chonqing, China, there are two long monorails built to rapid transit standards and they carried millions of people for years. Keep it monorail.
Why do all the transit systems in USA tend to be so small and anedoctic?
In contrast to Europe or Japan, people in the US tend to live in suburbs and take private transportation into the city
New York? Chicago? DC? Philly? Boston?
I definitely want to get to Jacksonville before they shut this down. I have hardly ridden on any proper monorail systems, and this is definitely one of those systems that is high on my list. Any idea when the official shut down date for the Skyway is expected?
I don’t think they’re shutting it down. they are expanding it
@@perrrofrrredy I sure hope they don't actually shut it down. Better yet, I hope the automated car idea collapses on itself and the city chooses a better alternative if needed.
@@wlctransit7593 yeah, I saw something on the news a few weeks ago that JTA has a projected plan to expand it to the airport and parts south (for example: down Phillips Hwy and Roosevelt Blvd)
@@wlctransit7593 scratch that, a few weeks ago I saw the video but they announced it a year ago 🙄🙄🙄
@@perrrofrrredy That will literally never happen. The transit authority has been talking about expanding to the Brooklyn and Riverside neighborhoods since 2014. The City even got a $1.7 million grant for a new Brooklyn station in 2020 and they still haven't even started construction
The buses are mostly trash in Jacksonville too. Public transportation and biking is an afterthought while car traffic only gets worse and worse
I noticed CSX HQ at and of video .
I live in Jacksonville yes that train is outdated the parts are unavailable the track will be converted it's going to stay elevated .
Converted to what?
@@seamusmckeon9109 hopefully light rail
@@seamusmckeon9109 they will be adding new cars to it flattening out the track and taking it to ground liver so it works on bay street
@@tylerkriesel8590 not enough money . the brt's do that nice .
This needs to be left as an elevated monorail but turned into a rapid transit type using the major Interstate middles as the platforms for the elevated tracks and other arteries in the city the same. It could be just like a subway in other northern cities and would pay for itself rather rapidly. There would not be a need for large parking lots since there would be stations throughout the city and people would just walk to them. I thought that that was the original idea.
No rapid system system pays for themselves. Once Americans know this then they can properly fund and contruct systems that benefit the region instead of what brings in the money
Following the Miami model: build a single, inadequate line, politicians pockets get lined, project left to die on the vine requiring subsidies all the way down.
beautiful
I've lived in Jacksonville my entire life and worked downtown for a while. I have never used this thing. I forget it's there, to be honest. Even if I did remember, it doesn't have enough stops to be usable. The interstate, the 295 beltway, and the surface streets would be so much better if there was an expanded system that ran from the airport to Orange Park and from Beaches to Westside. This thing is just too tiny. It's only going to serve niche circumstances the way it is.
Jacksonville is undergoing major Gentrification and modern changes that i hope it regrets in the Future
keep it monorail and expand it to other areas
Oh. How . . . quaint.
Who's the brain dead manager that thought it would be a good idea to block the view outward with wraps that don't even generate revenue? Nice way to treat your customers. Like does the artwork attract riders? Will their memory of their first ride be enhanced by this? I like this infrastructure, unfortunately when the embedded rebar rusts, they will just tear it down. Whatever money is around in the future will be needed to rebuild more essential facilities.
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Noooooooooo PRT (autocars) sucks
Build a proper transit system instead of this PRT garbage.
It's kind of pointless unless they expand it to other areas...
I like it bur I hate how it slanted if it was flat they could fit 3 cars or 4 instead of 2
Excelente 👌🏼
Looks nice but it's too much infrastructure for too little ridership... a ropeway would have done the job. Now replacing with self-driving pods...eehh. How about an elevated dedicated bikeway?
we had a similar system in oeiras portugal , the SATU system , went belly up 10 years ago , now its an eye sore to everyone
Homless Mover
It needs to be replaced with something more practical.
In Jacksonville FL????????
Ah !!!
I’ve lived in Jax all my life and the only people who use this are the homeless. It needs to be more practical and stop at more frequented destinations.
Homeless people have the same rights as you and me. Were you born in 1921?
@@godslove7708 they’re not saying they don’t have rights lol. They’re saying Jacksonville is a very big city & this is only in downtown - where they have a upsettingly large homeless population. Since it doesn’t cover very much bases, it’s not worth it for the average person.
@@godslove7708 So its okay for homeless people to set up shop and live in a monorail? Take that money and work on programs to help them. You go out there and ride the monorail and tell me how happy you are with it.
Similar to Miami-Dade Transit metromover
A billion dollar Disney ride. Jax is great at billion dollar eye catchers, but wont pave our streets. Crumbling streets, pot holes everywhere. Jax loves taxing and spending other people's money.
I'd encourage the wise leadership here in Jax to be even more foresighted. I like the idea of expanding to Riverside and self-driving cars, but why not look at cities like Houston and Austin? I work in service, Austin has buses to blue collar, low-income neighborhoods to get workers to their jobs than run until 3 am. Houston is expanding rail and building a network of dedicated bus lanes not subject to stop lights. JTA is more expensive than Austin and Houston, and has nothing to boast about when compared thereto. Money can be made, lowering carbon, and getting low-income people to their jobs can all be achieved with a farsighted and progressive leadership that I think Jax can do.
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Just another way to launder the tax money.
Good 💗
Nice video.
Initially it used VAL 256 cars, which were much more spacious than those and which ended up at O'hare's airport in Chicago. Now this system is pretty useless as it is (a la Detroit people mover). If only it could be expanded to the airport for ex....
It's free and no one seems to ride it?!? That there should give the authorities a glimpse into the opinions of the "little man"!
If you design a city around cars instead of humans, of course people are going to drive their cars.
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Good money after bad.
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Дорогая игрушка.
So much money wasted on an antiquated system
This monorail is very stupid, an articulated bus would have had way more capacity and less need for new infastructure.
Stick to trams if anything, as that would be seperated from the main traffic besides, you could use it for everything such as going to the shops or whatever it may be.
That’s not the problem with it, the problem is that it doesn’t go anywhere useful, if they expanded it to the airport or stadiums it would get very good ridership
@@PCrailfan3790 Monorails are very expensive and their placement does not make it any better.
It should have been a bus/tram system as well.
Are people allowed to get on this monstrosity ? I didn't see any . This looks like a bigger waste of money than even paying comrad biden's salary.
It was built in the 1980s with federal dollars under Republican administrations in both Washington DC and Jacksonville