Faux Bucktail vs Real Bucktail - Underwater Footage! - McFly Angler Fly Tying Tutorials
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- This video is a bit different, its more of a comparison between two materials. The synthetic bucktail, and real bucktail. From my opinion, I think they both have unique properties and differences, so much so that I really think the should be different named materials all together. Faux bucktail is somewhat misleading as its not exactly the same as the real stuff. In some ways its better, and in some ways its worse. For certain applications it could be better, and for certain applications it could be worse. So thats my conclusion.
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Thanks for the review . i started tying flies this winter after a long period of not tying and i have found the new products that are available are quite an advancement , you review helps make a decision before i go out and buy a bunch of new material.
Glad to help. Well welcome back to the addiction my friend! LOL
you're the only one that consistently shows these underwater clips after you tie!
You've earned my sub!
Thank you! Unfortunately I don’t do it anymore because we don’t have a fish tank anymore
@@McFlyAngler darn! Guess it's time to get a go pro for some lake water footage 😉
I'm going to miss those guppies
I’ve got one, but I’m just one person, how do I cast and hold a camera? Lol. Also, I don’t get to fish for a while for covid... 🥺
@@McFlyAngler are the lakes closed where you're at? Or just budget tight?
Could always just drop out your lure at rod length and film from a little tripod on the bottom
No, I’ve got kids. Young kids. No daycare anymore because of covid. I’m shackled fo the house. Lol!
Only just beginning to tie up buck tail... Found this comparison very enlightening. Thanks for doing this especially the water tank test.
Yeah man, hope it helped
Thanks for all great videos u have. I am experienced in freshwater fishing and tying trout flies.... but now i need to expand mu knowledge since i need to go fishing salt more.... great videos very easy to understand
Thanks man! Yeah so do you live near salt? If so, lucky you! Haha
McFly Angler unfortunately no, currently i am in china, and fishing resources are not good at all. So i need to travel to Hong Kong, or some remote areas to do some decent fishing... lenok fishing was good but i had to travell 2000 kilometers 😂
An excellent and very informative video. I'm sticking with buc for my minnows. Thanks.
Glad to help! :)
Great video. We need more like this!
I will work on making more comparison videos than, glad you like it! :)
Where do you buy all your materials from? Just curious.
Depends. I work at a fly shop, so many times I just buy it while im working. However, I do get some on Amazon occasionally (especially if I can't find it at my shop). And then there is an online fly shop I shop at sometimes called J-Stockard. Those are the 3 I use regularly. I find that Amazon has potential for more products and better prices, but thats only when buying a few items. If you get over $100 worth of products with J-Stockard its free shipping, then it becomes about the same price or better. Then at my work, generally the prices are slightly higher (not too bad though) because its a brick and mortar shop. Lots of overhead, so prices are a bit higher. Always the case anyway.
Just bought some of this material for making large musky flies, mainly since it doesn’t have much bend and I want my flies to push as much water as possible while in the water, hopefully it works out well. If not, knowledge gained, thanks for the great video!
Glad you liked the video, and yeah for pike flies, this works perfectly, just make sure you glue it down or tie it in very tight, it’s super slippery. Lol
Perfect comparison. Thank you!
Glad you liked it
Hey Shawn, great comparison video. I've seen very few since this product came out, yours is very good. Haven't used it, waiting for more test review like yours. Seems more sizzle than steak to me, despite all their selling points. I agree with you, it's faux not bucktail, I don't think you can compare the two. There's other synthetics available that combine length and movement. Being a natural product there's going to be differences in certain qualities of bucktail even if it's graded. But you can use it in more ways than faux. One selling point of the faux was no odor, I like bucktail, even the smell ;-) Thanks for doing this Shawn.
Yeah that is true, one thing I forgot to mention is the smell. Also, the ability to keep bugs out, there will be no bugs attacking it either. Thats one benefit. But yes, its not quite what I was hoping when I used it.
good stuff McFly
Glad you like the comparison
You referenced that this was an already long video, Some videos do drag on, yours kept my attention the entire time. Thanks
Thanks! I try my best to edit them so they don’t get boring, just it’s tough to make all videos under 5 minutes. But with this new world of everything at your fingertips, I find people want quick and to the point rather than long and too much info.
Very educational thanks
Glad you enjoyed jt
I think the natural bucktail. It bends and looks realistic in water and has darting action. The faux bucktail only darts, can come out of your flies quite easily, and mine bent when I put it in the package and has stayed in that shape no matter what I do. I don't find taking out underfur and short fibers from the natural bucktail hard at all. I agree about what you said that the faux bucktail is it's own material and not just bucktail.
I agree with your assessment. However, if you cement the heads with the right cement, then it doesn't come out. And yes, I had mine bend as well, and stay that way. So while I think it has its place, I dont think its a good "replacement" for bucktail.
Yeah but what I was thinking is that even if the faux doesn't come out when cemented, the natural is even more secure when cemented
Yes and no, the Faux won't break with fish biting it. I have had a few natural bucktail flies get torn up badly by some fish to the point where there is just a bare hook and thread left. IT breaks easier, and is cut easier by fish teeth. The Faux seems like it will not have that issue. However, again there are other problems with it (and benefits). I dont think it is worse, I dont think it is better, I think it is just different.
I bought the faux bucktail to make sand eels for surf perch off the northern pacific coast. Can't wait to try it out.
Cool let me know how it works for you. There will be almost no movement at the tail section because it’s so stiff. But will be a cool darting motion fly.
@@McFlyAngler I will be using the full length of the material fir sure. So, there will be some movement. I also use a wiggle disc in front of it to impart more action.
Cool! So I’ve fished surf perch in California before, they have small mouths, will they go after such a long fly?
@@McFlyAngler yes. They attack the head.
Good to know. So they aren’t fully swallowing the fly, your setting when they bite and snagging the side or something? This is good info, I wish I knew this when I was down there fishing for them
just started to use it,,, in tying a a striper streamers,, after you tie it onto the hook,, a drop of superglue will keep on the hook
SUPER vid, thanks a ton !
hey thanks man! :)
I use the faux bucktail for pelagic flies on a double hook. I like that the fiber is much longer and there's no short fibers to brush out. And the fish seem to like it too. Also, I have noticed less color fading or bleaching from hours in the hawaii sun and salt water.
Good thoughts! See I can’t test it in salt, and with such large flies. That’s what I suspected though, it would be good for larger salt flies.
McFly Angler I should have mentioned those flies are generally trolled at speeds between 5 and 10 knots. They are not for casting.
Yeah ok, so you’re tying these large huh? That’s cool! Yeah see that’s just outside of my fishing range. I would fish for redfish and seatrout on the fly in corpus when I lived there. A few times I brought my fly rod off shore and got a king Mac. But, generally it was more inshore.
are there any other good flies to tie with this material? just picked some up at a convention and just not sure what to use it for
I don’t know of many but I know many pike fisherman like it.
Mcfly, I believe the imitation is geared more for big flies, such as pike like you mentioned, intruders etc... Thanks for the video again.
Glad to help, and you might be right
I've noticed, that with the longer faux bucktail you do get more movement. What this allowed me to do is extend out my clousers LONGER than I usually would, but without as much fouling because it is stiffer. So smaller clousers I use bucktail, If I want longer and slender and less fouling you can use FAUX
Yes exactly
I use the Faux for Big pike and Muskie bugs. Then Big bugs allow longer fiber length so the stiffness softens some. The faux also sheds water completely Keeping weight an water logging to a minimum
I agree with you on this. It does shed water quicker. Also, when tied much longer there would be more movement. Its actually good stuff, just not a direct replacement for bucktail in my opinion.
Would you say securing the fibers on larger muskie flies could be an issue if you don't glue every wrapped piece? I like the idea of the fibers not being hollow, could help to get those big flies diving sooner.
Well, personally I would glue in place, but, I guess if you wrap tight you will be ok. Not 100% sure though.
McFly Angler Tie the faux material in with 3 or 4 wraps and then make a single wrap of thread around just the material but NOT the hook and then finish wrapping down the tail material and it will not pull out , it is locked in with NO glue needed.
used in combination with slightly softer synthetic's pike fly body fibres you would have an excellent combination of stiffness and movement I my self prefer Synthetic's as they shed water easy therefore they don't hold water like natural fibres and move better kind regards Steve
Yes I agree, for much larger flies it works great, I think I touched on that in the video no?
So far, I prefer the natural bucktail for clousers. Natural tends to have a slower fall rate, better fish-like movement and its easy to create and maintain the volume/profile of a fish. The synthetic does dart better because the material is more uniform. If you want to create a distinct third color lateral line the synthetic works well for that purpose. (just my experience. your mileage may vary.. LOL)
I agree very much to this assessment.
This is so weird I had the honor of being invited to a demonstration by Ed Lombardo last night he is our own living legend of everything fly fishing in my state he is known throughout the country and many more and he tied that exact fly plus a bunch more salt water patterns and I was lucky enough to have him give me the flies he tied I help out at a small hunting and fly fishing store in my state (the smallest state) and I never seen that faux bucktail I'm going to see if we can start carrying it
Thank you for the great videos
Lol small world huh?
Will Zap A Gap destroy those fibers like the lighter did ??? just a thought ..
I haven’t tried yet, ill give it a go and let ya know
Do you have any idea as to how many flies you can get from each?
Lots, depending on how thick you tie in. Anywhere from 50-250 in my guess...
McFly Angler awesome thanks! I’m gonna check that out soon
Sorry, that might have been a high estimate. You can see I use it sparingly. I would say on the flies I tied, the way I tied, pushing 200... But, I was using only about 10 strands or less. If you use a ton of it each fly, you could end up getting only 25 out of one bunch. Like some large pike flies might use a lot more than I was thinking when I came up with this estimate. Ya know?
McFly Angler I’m only tying trout and bass flies so it would work well. Thanks for the info!
Why are you taking hair off the buck tail where most tie ers say not too. Just wondering?
Every part of the bucktail can be used, just for different purposes
How does it do for stacking big bugs
Whatcha mean by stacking? Sorry not sure I understand. I will say it’s too stiff for anything I’d do with even the largest of bugs. Maybe used as an antenna…. I think this is only good for very large streamers.
Something other than faux bucktail? Faucktail? Nahhhh. Although you used it for Clousers, I can think of a couple of sand eel patterns it would work well in. Cool stuff, and you did a good job showing its properties. Craft fur also makes a nice wavy Clouser minnow, which is an effect I've had some good success with.
Yeah I tie clousers with craft fur a lot also. All materials have different useful properties to them
Is this a good product to make a miuras mouse?
No you want real hair for that fly
@@McFlyAngler oh but can you Use it?
I wouldn’t….
For what it's worth, I noticed the guppies followed both flies.
Lol!
The Faux bucktail is like paint brush bristles,I've bought some cheap dollar store paint brushes and made jigs out of them works well
Sure, I use other things for materials also! I like the creativity in finding ways to tie in cheaper stuff.
By the way, the fly coming out tomorrow uses this faux buck tail. Go ahead and replace it with the brush if you want.
how to get bucktail material
Fly shops is the best way, or use the links to buy in the description section
To me both versions look really stiff. I've been experimenting with marabou to see if I can combine it with something stiffer to get the best of both worlds, structure and movement. I've been using whole soft hackle feathers (hen cape) which already have a nice minnow shape and good movement. Last night I tried combining the hen cape with the marabou to make a really small clouser minnow. It looks really good in the sink, but I haven't tried it on the stream yet. Here's a video I saw that gave me the idea for using hen cape: th-cam.com/video/1WyaQkkJsz0/w-d-xo.html
Well I did tie these smaller, but yes, bucktail is fairly stiff, but not quite as much as the faux...
There is something really interesting in your aquarium footage, see the reaction of your guppies! It is clear for me the seems to have more interest in the motion of the real. The faux seems to be so unnatural. For me it is an answer, I don't buy faux bucktail to replace the real one.
Yes like I said in the video, the faux isn’t great for replacing however, it is it’s own material for different uses by itself. There are some properties to it that can in some situations make it better for some things. But definitely don’t use it for the same application as regular bucktail
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Very settling you saying that... lol.
If ya wanna private message me on Facebook or here I’ll get ya the info.
Why what’s up?
I say we call it paint brush fiber
Yeah it’s stiff stuff for sure. Lol
Not a fan Angler. I prefer the Clouser tied with the real McCoy. Apologies to all the Bucks out there.
I hear ya, that is the point of the comparison. There are benefits to both, but... there are properties that man can’t recreate... lol
Buck tail vs craft fur?
Uhhhh no... the video doesn’t show craft fur.
@@McFlyAngler I just thought that a comparison between Buck Tail and Craft fur would also be useful.
Ohhh ok, sure maybe one day. This video didn’t seem to do so hot with views, and it was a brand new material so..... not sure it’s worth making a video for that. But I’ll think about it possibly. Until then, the main difference is movement in the water. Craft fur doesn’t push much water (you can tie it in a way to do so but it would be heavy and waterlogged). But it moves really nicely. Problem is that if you leave it too long it will foul on the hook because it just bends so easily. I tend to use bucktail for wings and anywhere I need a little more stiffness, and also for longer streamers. For short small streamers and where I want just a lot of flow in the water I use craft fur.
@@McFlyAngler Ok, thanks. Actually I already use some craft fur on some flies, similar to how you do. I was just thinking about the comparison for others who were wondering about it. I bought some a while back like everything else I want/wanted to try tying flies with. I guess that may be myself and quite a few other tiers have way to much stuff.
I let the fish tell me after all that's what it's made for, I notice no difference in my catch ratio
Yeah? Good to know. Well then it boils down to which you like tying with more than if you catch the same amount of fish.
This june 2020......I have audio only....? I checked the entire video...?
I’m confused... what are you asking?
@@McFlyAngler I am telling you O have tried multiple times to watch your video and I can only access the audio??? The screen is black, nothing visual. You can hear the audio from start to finish. But no picture at all.I cleansed phone and rebooted.....still the same, no picture, black screen. But I have full audio start to finish??? I can access anyone else's videos, no problem...
just jim
Should read, "I am telling you I have tried "
So just now I tried watching your video again and everything worked perfectly! Both audio and images! Sorry to bother you!! Another electronic mystery.....???
You have valuable excellent videos that I value and learn from! I am sure that you put in lots of work to create your informative videos!!
Thank you!
In a small gesture of appreciation my I recommend a video of one of the smoothest fly casters in the world. Only 3 minutes, "in search of the perfect loop" on TH-cam. Enjoy...
just jim
Jim yeah I never know sometimes why computers do the things they do. Haha! It’s a mystery to me as well. Sorry about that. Sounds like it’s working now, thank God. Anyway, I appreciate you watching. As for the fly casting video, yes I’ve seen that before and that guy is amazing!
No le falta u poco de movimiento ? no tiene vida ....va nadando tiesa como una rama
0lastics are totally differebt animal...it have it's own uses but have nothing to do with natural fibers.
I agree
Natural that has been skinned and only brushed out and not cleaned is the best.
Well I cant really speak for that... as I’ve never used it like that... also most people might have trouble getting it. Since all the major manufacturers process their tails.
Either way, there really is nothing that’s like bucktail, including this synthetic stuff. Just not quite the same. In some ways better, but in some ways worse. There are benefits to natural and also benefits to the synthetic...
McFly Angler Deer processors will give you one or sell you some depending on where you go.
Good to know, except most people don’t have those near them, just saying. Lol. Thanks for the info though! :)
It looks like there is a lot in a "faux" pack.
Yeah it’s a fair amount of materials for sure
Fish don't care IF your flies are tied neat. Neat is for fisherman, not fish! They are looking for MOVEMENT.
Oh I agree! :) Again, I think many people are mis-understanding me on this. Its a comparison. There is some benefits to it, and some problems with it. If you listened to the whole thing, you would see me say that I think it shouldn't be called "faux bucktail". As its not really the same. Its different, and should be used differently. I am not saying its better, I am saying its a new material and here is my test on it. LOL
Faux Bucktail literally has no use. No idea why Flymen decided to release such a material.
Dude it does have use! For sure! I use it often because of its stiffness to keep other materials from fouling on the hook. Also when tied in longer it’s great! For large flies like pike flies and such. Granted I don’t use it often, but it does have some use. Maybe no use for you, but there is some use.
Buck tail all the way
I agree
That faux stuff sucks!
It does for some stuff yes, but it depends on what you use it for. I think its good for some applications. If you expect to use it like natural bucktail, yes it would suck. Thats why I said I dont think it should be called faux bucktail. It gives the wrong impression that it will work just like bucktail.
Dosent work well...
No it’s not the best stuff, only for some applications