Dude…. I love Vespasian lol. An old school Roman that appeals to the old way of thinking in the original republic…. He fit both mind sets of peasants and the nobility…. Not the best emperor but my FAVORITE…. Oh btw he made his fortune being a mule breeder and seller lol 😂
Just stumbled upon these brilliant podcasts, and in June of 2020, the Aurelius handing power to the Joker's 🃏 Jaoquin Phoenix, still has us in stitches lol.
I'm sure you are aware but them mention of the film Joker causes me to want to remind you that Joaquin played Marcus Aurelius' son Commodus in the film Gladiator in 2000. This was made around 2010 so Gladiator was still much fresher in peoples memory.
@@-timaeus-9781 I think you must have misunderstood my British sense of humour. I'm aware of Gladiator and Phoenix's great role as Commodus, as it is one of my favourite films that I've probably sadly watched about 100 times. I had been actually lording you on your momentarily, and ability at light heartedness and wit, during long and welcomed narrations.
Rob Gibson I think it’s because they were just so stubborn in the face of defeat. Hannibal beat them so badly, and so many times, that any other state would have simply surrendered
Rob Gibson As many have pointed out, stubborness in the face of defeat, but also a pretty *good geographical position* to start with. Rome was protected by the hills, but also, on a larger scale, by the Apennine mountains, which separated it both from the Po Valley controlled by the Gauls and from the more advanced and powerful countries of the Eastern Mediterrean. Also, during the reign of its 4th (semi-historical) king, Rome gained access to the saltworks at the Tiber estuary, an important source of income. There was fertile soil around in Lazio and to the south in Campania If I may oversimplify things, let me quote "Jeremiah Johnson": "river in front, cliffs behind: this'll be a good place to live". As this podcast often repeated in the segments on the monarchic and republican periods, Rome didn't invent much, but it was quick to *borrow and adapt from other people* (a prime example would be how they built their first major fleet when they entered the First Punic War, allegedly by copying a shipwrecked quinquereme), and it helped that it lay between the Etruscan and Greek spheres of influence over Central Italy. Note that neither the cities of Magna Graecia nor those of Etruria were united politically, so Rome was in little danger of being annexed by the ambitious ruler of a strong regional state. With some caution, the same can be said about the Gauls, the Samnites and even the Latins: at times they made alliances or leagues, but never went past that. Therefore, *Rome was free to build its own confederacy* . A population of *citizens-farmers-soldiers* was an element of stability both in political life and war potential: Rome only had to start paying its soldiers in 408 AD, when the siege of Veii carried on for so long soldiers had to neglect their field work and started protesting. And until around the Macedonian Wars, with their immense booty, wealth inequality in Roman society was tolerable enough to preserve the system of census-based military service. Unlike Rome, Carthage had to pay mercenaries for most of its defense. Also, as I'm surprised no one pointed out yet, its *mixed constitution* , praised by Polybius and a source of inspiration during the modern age, deserves a lot of credit for Rome's political stability and adaptiveness to changing circumstances. That is, at least until the end of the Republic. Just a few ideas. Cheers.
The archeology is also important. Imperium Romanum built, burnt, buried, left, lost, etc a lot in Britannia. The Saxons are said to have avoided inhabiting the Roman ruins, (substantial as Rome fled) considering them accursed. They were superstitious. But the Romans did win and lose it, spectacularly.
Otho was a good guy. His one mistake was not being present at that battle. He thought there would be more battles if he lost but as soon as the battle was over it became clear he was wrong.
You mentioned that Vespacian's business practices were a blemish. While I'd agree in most situations of corruption, this might have been one of the few times where it's actually needed. Seems like the economy was in jeopardy and he was desperate to fix it. Considering that he seems to have been spending this money on the empire, I think this is actually a case of ethical corruption.
Btw not going to mention Vespasian’s public works campaign including many temples and monuments and most importantly the COLISEUM?!??!? His great gift to the ROMAN PEOPLE?
He did mention that. Something like "people grumbled at the taxes, but those taxes were reinvested in public infrastructure, and the people couldn't argue with the results/progress" And he definitely mentioned one of the crowning architectural achievements of the ancient world
Where did the Roman prophecy saying the future king of the world would come from Judea originate? I have looked but cannot find it. Was it included in the original Sibylline Books?
Like...all over the old testament, especially daniel 9. Josephus believed Vespasian was the Jewish Messiah, or at least he says so in his book, which was probably good press for the emperor.
The audio quality is too poor, can't bear a two-hour listen when there are so many great competitors out there. A noise suppression would have helped a ton. You need a pop filter, and to pay a bit more attention to the mouth-noises. They can usually be edited out at the start of a line, or eliminated through the a well-tuned noise-gate.
@@alclay8689 It's not binary choice, though, is it? Any content needs to be digestible. Why would you choose a book with blurry and smudged lettering when there are 300 other books on the topic to choose from beside it?
I don't get why Michael Duncan is so willing to acknowledge the biased of the senate in the cases of Caligula, Nero and Domition, but he never mentions the extreme biased against Julius Caesar. Instead he simply follows the anti Ceasar model laid out by the likes of Cicero. It doesn't make any sense.
While J. Caesar was definitely a great man in certain aspects you can’t deny he selfishly worked to undermine a republic in order to gain power, all on the back of murder, bribery, and betrayal.
Maqsood Dinajihad There was no republic by the time Ceasar took power, just a bunch of soft, rich, old men, OLIGARCHY; (not republic) who did anything they could to stay in power. Ceasar was a revolutionary.
Logan Carlile Who did he murder? Who did he betray? That's the biased narrative I'm talking about in my post. I don't personally beleive he was the demonic tyrant they portray him as since Cicero and especially after Shakespeare, manipulating the truth to make his heroe tragedies look more dramatic. Ceasar was a revolutionary not a tyrant, and he was demonized by the elite class (who wrote the histories of Rome) for attempting to turn the old order on it's head.
The word "scheme" is not pronounced "sshkeem", rather, :sskeem". Also, the name, "Anthony", is pronounced, "An-tuh'-nee", not "Antnee". The latter was used before the 17th Century in England.
I'm sorry. As thorough as your readings of history have been you fall short by suggesting the ancient Britons were somehow backwards and would learn unthinkable things from the Romans. The only education they would have received was knowledge of what it means to be inhuman.
This is true, for education is "what remains after the learning is done", not that the Romans didn't try gifting them more advanced architecture, infrastructure and administration, just that all the Britins bothered to remember was inhumanity
@@Alamyst2011 BS. Everything they boasted of originating they stole from others. Nothing, not even their genes or identities belonged to them. They had to kidnap and rape Sabine women in order to become a race!
This series is amazing. I'm grateful for all of your hard work.
'Marcus Aurelius foolishly handing power to Joaquin Phoenix.' Hahahaha
That part killed me.
He didn't. Joaquin Phoenix killed him. Lol
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Just rewatched Gladiator. What a performance by Joaquin Phoenix!
Vespasian laughing out loud at the fake family tree presented to him ia actually quite endearing xD
It's neat listening to this 1,950 years to the day after Galba's assassination.
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@@chrislewis2791 Okay then😂👍 were you high Or drunk while you made those comments? 😂
I'm thirsty. I'm gonna grab an agri-cola
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Roman night battle tactic: Fight it out til the sun rises. Face east and great the sun.
Laugh as the enemy rout
Works everytime
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Vespasian became emperor in 69, and died at the age of 69. I'm not saying it was perverted aliens, but it was perverted aliens.
Sadly, you are right. I was abducted and probed.
Lol would 69 mean anything to an alien 👾.. Maybe wishful thinking..
Pls tell me he was born on April 20th 😩😩😩😩😩
nice!
Sixty-nine likes (Jan. 2024). I'm not gonna be the aho who messes up that one.
Dude…. I love Vespasian lol. An old school Roman that appeals to the old way of thinking in the original republic…. He fit both mind sets of peasants and the nobility…. Not the best emperor but my FAVORITE…. Oh btw he made his fortune being a mule breeder and seller lol 😂
Mine too besides Marcus Aurelius.
Marcus is the ideal emperor in my opinion, with Belisarius or Agrippa being the ideal Roman general!
@@Azrael76667Marcus Aurelius was a very good emperor but you can’t call him the ideal emperor as he appointed commodus as his successor
Vespasian father of the Coliseum, father of the Urine Tax.
Just stumbled upon these brilliant podcasts, and in June of 2020, the Aurelius handing power to the Joker's 🃏 Jaoquin Phoenix, still has us in stitches lol.
I'm sure you are aware but them mention of the film Joker causes me to want to remind you that Joaquin played Marcus Aurelius' son Commodus in the film Gladiator in 2000. This was made around 2010 so Gladiator was still much fresher in peoples memory.
@@-timaeus-9781 I think you must have misunderstood my British sense of humour. I'm aware of Gladiator and Phoenix's great role as Commodus, as it is one of my favourite films that I've probably sadly watched about 100 times. I had been actually lording you on your momentarily, and ability at light heartedness and wit, during long and welcomed narrations.
@@Hakspheenom I'm still in shock that commodus shot some one live on TV.
Great historical breakdown as always. Every video is a gem 💎 Thank you 🙏
Everybody wants to be emperor in 69.
Just so they can say "I was emperor in 69." Then some other dude throws his fist in the air and yells "69!"
That's because it was the YEAR OF THE TONGUE.
Why
The 60's was a crazy time man
nice
LOL the joaquin phoenix joke had me in stitches.
1:50:25 "When Marcus Aurellius foolishly handed the empire to his son, Joaquin Phoenix" 🤣🤣
"Vespasian was the first emperor to die of natural causes since Augustus." Tiberius died a natural death, as far as I'm aware.
Roman politics was such a 'zero sum game' and the entry fee was your life. It's amazing it lasted as long as it did.
"..cryptic rosebudding" is awesome wording 😁
Yessssssss, been waiting all week :)
I've been a huge fan of Roman history and after listing up to this point, I don't see how rome was so successful.
Rob Gibson I think it’s because they were just so stubborn in the face of defeat. Hannibal beat them so badly, and so many times, that any other state would have simply surrendered
Rob Gibson Never give up, Rome wasn't built in a day..
I've wondered that as well. I wish we could get a clearer picture of the very beginning of the settlement that would become Rome.
Seems like a combination of luck, circumstance, stubbornness, pragmatic governance, and aggression.
Rob Gibson As many have pointed out, stubborness in the face of defeat, but also a pretty *good geographical position* to start with.
Rome was protected by the hills, but also, on a larger scale, by the Apennine mountains, which separated it both from the Po Valley controlled by the Gauls and from the more advanced and powerful countries of the Eastern Mediterrean.
Also, during the reign of its 4th (semi-historical) king, Rome gained access to the saltworks at the Tiber estuary, an important source of income. There was fertile soil around in Lazio and to the south in Campania
If I may oversimplify things, let me quote "Jeremiah Johnson": "river in front, cliffs behind: this'll be a good place to live".
As this podcast often repeated in the segments on the monarchic and republican periods, Rome didn't invent much, but it was quick to *borrow and adapt from other people* (a prime example would be how they built their first major fleet when they entered the First Punic War, allegedly by copying a shipwrecked quinquereme), and it helped that it lay between the Etruscan and Greek spheres of influence over Central Italy.
Note that neither the cities of Magna Graecia nor those of Etruria were united politically, so Rome was in little danger of being annexed by the ambitious ruler of a strong regional state. With some caution, the same can be said about the Gauls, the Samnites and even the Latins: at times they made alliances or leagues, but never went past that.
Therefore, *Rome was free to build its own confederacy* .
A population of *citizens-farmers-soldiers* was an element of stability both in political life and war potential: Rome only had to start paying its soldiers in 408 AD, when the siege of Veii carried on for so long soldiers had to neglect their field work and started protesting. And until around the Macedonian Wars, with their immense booty, wealth inequality in Roman society was tolerable enough to preserve the system of census-based military service.
Unlike Rome, Carthage had to pay mercenaries for most of its defense.
Also, as I'm surprised no one pointed out yet, its *mixed constitution* , praised by Polybius and a source of inspiration during the modern age, deserves a lot of credit for Rome's political stability and adaptiveness to changing circumstances. That is, at least until the end of the Republic.
Just a few ideas.
Cheers.
You do a fantastic job, I love listening!!
I wish we had more information on the reign of Vespasian
Excellently narrated and very imformative. Thankyou Timaeus.
Eastern Legion: "Henlo Sun"
Western Legion: "BRUH" *gives up*
I feel bad for otho. His actions seem like he would've been a competent and reasonably grounded ruler.
The archeology is also important. Imperium Romanum built, burnt, buried, left, lost, etc a lot in Britannia. The Saxons are said to have avoided inhabiting the Roman ruins, (substantial as Rome fled) considering them accursed. They were superstitious. But the Romans did win and lose it, spectacularly.
What would the Flavian greeting of the sun look like?1:07:20
I think I'm in love, Mr Duncan 😍
Haha, what do you like about his narration so much? If not clear, btw, Duncan's not the video creator.
@@PoochieCollinsBro Mike Duncan is the podcast creator we're listening to, Timeus uploaded it
Joaquin Phoenix lmao
Otho was a good guy. His one mistake was not being present at that battle. He thought there would be more battles if he lost but as soon as the battle was over it became clear he was wrong.
What happened with Paulinus after he defeated Boudicca with 10,000 men vs ~230,000 people?
Realists view of Titus's dying remark...Wish I hadn't got this infection.
Thorough. Nice work. U got my sub. Beautifully done
This is awesome. Thank you.
Excuse me, but Marcus Aurelius did not hand power to his son Joaquin Phoenix. Joaquin smothered him!
ooo its up time to watch
I know I'm not the only one who thinks Agricola sounds like some sort of farm soft drink. Show yourselves.
It's the alternative to Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola, and even Dr. Pepper. Agricola: the truly rural drink.
I'm not so sure as to wanting to know what's in it...
@@paden1865able like wheat and barley I feel, maybe just hay
Agricola means farmer in Latin. 1st decl. feminine.
Most roman surnames originate from agriculture. Cicero means chickpea.
Flavian flave!
Marcus Antonius Primus be like “I think before my days are done, I want to back Vespasian.”
Cymraeg. Cymru. The anglo saxons coined welsh as it meant foreigner...
verspasian's last words ... he rised me and now thinks me a god
Wow....when this guy asks if there is any interest in a lecture tour....in....2010....had no idea these were so....old...
Start note making from this video from 1:02:09
Where did the soccer ball story come from?
sad there is no captions :c
You mentioned that Vespacian's business practices were a blemish. While I'd agree in most situations of corruption, this might have been one of the few times where it's actually needed. Seems like the economy was in jeopardy and he was desperate to fix it.
Considering that he seems to have been spending this money on the empire, I think this is actually a case of ethical corruption.
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Galba was actually a placeholder: 70 years old and childless.
Yeah Joaquin Phoenix ruined everything
69 dude!
See invaded by the Romans, when do we get an apology?
more
No mention of sempronius densus
57:00
Joaquin Phoenix was a cruel ruler of Rome.
Btw not going to mention Vespasian’s public works campaign including many temples and monuments and most importantly the COLISEUM?!??!? His great gift to the ROMAN PEOPLE?
He did mention that. Something like "people grumbled at the taxes, but those taxes were reinvested in public infrastructure, and the people couldn't argue with the results/progress"
And he definitely mentioned one of the crowning architectural achievements of the ancient world
Vespasian at 69: nice
Where did the Roman prophecy saying the future king of the world would come from Judea originate? I have looked but cannot find it. Was it included in the original Sibylline Books?
I thought he mentioned it's an eastern prophecy not a Roman one. "The future rulers of the world will come from the city of Jerusalem"
Like...all over the old testament,
especially daniel 9. Josephus believed Vespasian was the Jewish Messiah, or at least he says so in his book, which was probably good press for the emperor.
Better to be feared than loved
You just keep thinking that , sport.
The audio quality is too poor, can't bear a two-hour listen when there are so many great competitors out there.
A noise suppression would have helped a ton. You need a pop filter, and to pay a bit more attention to the mouth-noises. They can usually be edited out at the start of a line, or eliminated through the a well-tuned noise-gate.
this isn't original content, it's from the mike duncan podcast and not uploaded in it's original quality
"screw the content! I want my education to Sound nice"
@@alclay8689 It's not binary choice, though, is it? Any content needs to be digestible. Why would you choose a book with blurry and smudged lettering when there are 300 other books on the topic to choose from beside it?
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Virginious !
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The way you say galba I’m starting to hate him too😂
It is Galba to Titus Agricola is not an emperor
Most of these political choices are coinflips..something about hindsight
All I know is that it wasn't built in a day.
lol this came out in 2010
It took him several years to go through the whole series.
Wouldn't matter if it came out in 2010 or 1810, it started 2000 yrs ago, history is just that HISTORY.
spoiler alert: they all die at the end
atzuras Wow dude way to ruin it
Fascinating we are just learning now it was black people doing all this the whole time
Bro there's paintings and frescoes that still remain from this time, it's like 99% white people lol
I did not understand this, too confusing.
Shkeem
1:26:49
I don't get why Michael Duncan is so willing to acknowledge the biased of the senate in the cases of Caligula, Nero and Domition, but he never mentions the extreme biased against Julius Caesar. Instead he simply follows the anti Ceasar model laid out by the likes of Cicero. It doesn't make any sense.
Liberals usually don't ;)
Caesar is kind of a dirtbag who ruined the republic tho
While J. Caesar was definitely a great man in certain aspects you can’t deny he selfishly worked to undermine a republic in order to gain power, all on the back of murder, bribery, and betrayal.
Maqsood Dinajihad
There was no republic by the time Ceasar took power, just a bunch of soft, rich, old men, OLIGARCHY; (not republic) who did anything they could to stay in power. Ceasar was a revolutionary.
Logan Carlile
Who did he murder? Who did he betray? That's the biased narrative I'm talking about in my post. I don't personally beleive he was the demonic tyrant they portray him as since Cicero and especially after Shakespeare, manipulating the truth to make his heroe tragedies look more dramatic. Ceasar was a revolutionary not a tyrant, and he was demonized by the elite class (who wrote the histories of Rome) for attempting to turn the old order on it's head.
The word "scheme" is not pronounced "sshkeem", rather, :sskeem". Also, the name, "Anthony", is pronounced, "An-tuh'-nee", not "Antnee". The latter was used before the 17th Century in England.
Are you shkeeming to overthrow our beloved narrator??
Vespasian = Reagan of Rome…
Galba would've been a 2020s Democrat.
Someone can't pronounce Cartimandua 😁
I bet vespasian vaped...
Even King IZates aka Issa or better know as Jesus wanted to be the Roman Principe
Not True. You need to choose your WORDS more carefully. Jesus is Gods olny SON. INSCO
@@joninsco6948 only begotten
,,, eMPorR bye de-=+FauLt :: vESpasAN ...
Josephus the traitor.
He was my mascot.
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I like less and less. Because more and more personal comets are made.
Get some water man you are smacking, making me sick
I'm sorry. As thorough as your readings of history have been you fall short by suggesting the ancient Britons were somehow backwards and would learn unthinkable things from the Romans. The only education they would have received was knowledge of what it means to be inhuman.
He's telling it from the Roman perspective. He often switches POV in his narratives and it can be easily taken out of context.
The Romans were by and far the advanced civilization.
This is true, for education is "what remains after the learning is done", not that the Romans didn't try gifting them more advanced architecture, infrastructure and administration, just that all the Britins bothered to remember was inhumanity
@@Alamyst2011 BS. Everything they boasted of originating they stole from others. Nothing, not even their genes or identities belonged to them. They had to kidnap and rape Sabine women in order to become a race!
Thanks Timaeus. I'm enjoying all of these videos
Crappy sound quality silly narrator
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