Scooter Tramp Scotty. Blown Motor Pt-1.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- This is actually somewhat of a tech video. Along with the unorthodox story, it covers front motor-mount bolts consistently breaking and motor alignment.
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I had the same problem. I broke about ten going to Sturgis and back this summer from Mass. I've been changing out all the rubber stuff on a low mile 98 Roadking I got recently. Not because it's all failing. Just because it's all 25 year old rubber now. I put a USA made D&S Performance heavy duty mount in there, checked the alignment and off I went. I broke one bolt about every day. Grade 8, grade 5, they all broke.... What I finally figured out was, changing these on the side of the road with open end wrenches, I wasnt getting them fuckers tight enough. I did take the really stiff heavy duty mount out and put in the HD "improved" one (made in China and at a stupid price). I then torqued the shit out of the bolts and havnt had a problem since. It was some aggravating on the road I tell ya as you know. I also got a set of OEM bolts off of ebay. I'm sure the Tractor Supply bolts I was getting on the road were cheap-ass Chinese shit also. Grade 8 bolts are strong as hell but they don't stand much vibration if they aint tight.... I'll be interested to see if your fix works ass well
I have a friend of mine that has the same problem on his 2000 Road King. He was using grade 8 bolts
I'll have to tell him to watch this video.
Grade 8s broke like crazy for me. Factory uses 5s. The real problem, which i failed to film, was that the original bolts got loose and wabbled out the inside of the holes in the front of the motor - BAD! Hence the jump to the next size up bolts.
Change all the mounts at the same time. I use two 6' aluminum square bars and wood clamps attached to the rear tire to check alignment.
Sounds like a similar system.
@@scootertrampscotty Exactly
The florescent bulb trick is just one of the things you learn when you're around old age and treachery.
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Back in 84 in a shop I was shown this driveline alignment method.
They had two long billet aluminum box tubes instead of fluorescent bulbs.
But the bulbs are true as well..
Lost art
Good to see the folks at that shop took good care of you ✨ $tay successful Sir.
My kids bike did the same thing.. we fixed it with new swing arm bushings and a new bottom motor mount
Love these kinda videos. That's a great shop scotty. Dudes were cool to help you out man. Can't wait to see the next one....always thumbs up man.
This was awesome! Reminds me of the 80s. A few guys wrenching, drinking beer and eating pizza. I really enjoyed this, but more importantly, learned a lot. Makes me want to smoke a Marlboro and call up some old buddies. Thanks, Scotty!
When I did my 93 which was built from reck. I used
A string , I would have the string touch the front and the rear of the tire rear and also the same for the front tire have a touch the front and the rear of the tire.. equally the tough part is if your rear tire is wider than your front then you got to kind of figure out the difference..
I know Rick extremely well!! He’s an incredible man
My buddy’s fxr did that for weeks, we put new swingarm isolators in and realigned the drivetrain….fixed it perfect
I actually ended up buying two 4 foot levels to do the toe out on my snowmobile skies..
I would Dremell out the hole so a bushing( stainless steel)would fit and use the factory bolts. My 2 cents
The plate seems under engineered for the job it has to do. An oscillating engine is going to oval those circles sooner rather than later. Anyway, sounds like the least of your troubles. That shop has some history, no wonder it's haunted.
I align them the same way at my shop. I use a manual style protractor on the rotors instead of the electronic ones & I have 2- 8' x 2'' 3/16" steel flat stock
that I prop up on 4x4s to get them off the ground. I do it on the lift after unbolting the front wheel clamp off the lift & out of the way.
I like the light bulb idea.
I think you're right about Eric Beull designing the rubber mount set up. I knew a guy that said he met him at his home & he told him that he designed
the FXR & that it's supposed to put all the weight on the back wheel on take off.
Rick said theres more than one way to achieve something. Guess hes right 😊
Now thats a bike shop
Damn, I'm pushing 157,000 on my Evo and never heard of this problem. I do ALWAYS switch my nuts with Self locking Heavy hex ones and tighten the piss out of them.
Love the big rubber tree behind your tent. ❤
Good video Scotty , perfect release time , gives us time too watch whole video and enjoy
Great to see you back with new videos maintenance videos from a guy that has so many miles on a bike helps me and many more thanks man.
The tab broke on my 85 FLHTC plate. I was able to find a new one though
I’ve been to Salt Lake City four times in the last two weeks delivering motor oil from Richmond CA
Love seeing the old bikes!
Great guys helping you out so much. You won’t know what to do riding straight down the road! ✌🏼
It is different
Awesome man, good to have you back .🎉
Scotty you should keep that old plate and weld up the old holes and re drill it so you will have a extra one since they don’t make them anymore
Or can you drill out the holes and put in a sleeve?
@@gregorytubbs3444 if you can find one to perfectly match the bolt so it won’t blow out again
@@steventwiddy3402 Oh, they make sleeves to reduce standard or metric sizes. I'm just wondering if it would work in this situation.
My Buell has all Rubber mountings.. So far the Rubber is still in good shape since 2008 .. When the Rubber gets bad they can go into a high speed Wobble.
My rubber system just causes way more vibration at high rpms when it goes out.
With a belt drive there is no rear wheel alignment adjustments like with a chain drive. With the Levels you can clamp them together so they don't move around.
This video was pretty cool. Those are some interesting guys at that bike shop! Keep up the good work and stay free brother!
They sell those plates everywhere. Pretty cheap too. Good luck! Drag Specialties $32 in chrome.
Youre right. I found that out later.
Gotta make sure the Bike is Plumb
Thanks Scotty , I enjoyed this.
Great video ! Looking forward to see what happened next, God Bless!
Thanx for showing this clip, brings back memories of you giving me the new motor mounts and giving me pointers when you were here the first time so tomorow I'm going to do motormount inspection, sorry to hear your motor is blown, looking forward for part 2
It actually worked out well Klaus
Good times. That's high tech alignment, I like it. My old nostalgia's got the solid mount and counter balancer. Right right, you had a couple different motors to choose from, this was part 1.
HD Inc should be embarrassed that they don't make parts for the EVO bikes that saved their ass from extinction. F Jochen.
Amen frankfurther.
They are systematically eliminating Dyna Twin Cam parts every year as well. The people who currently have the throttle at the Motor Company are at WOFT heading downhill.
@@paulwojnar2291 No computer brain available for 2006 and older. HD could shut down tomorrow and EVO riders wouldn't notice.
Very interesting way to align those wheels and motor to the frame!
Thanks for the sharing the wisdom.
Mine broke. Put in by previous owner. They weren’t grade 8. No problem since
Awesome video and awesome content can’t wait for the next video Thank’s Scotty
Almost got it done
Sorry to hear the motor might be on its way out. On the alignment, I have used a long piece of string looped around the rear wheel, and both ends tied on jackstands close to each other in front of the front tire. The idea is that the string just kisses the outer peak of the tires, front and back. If it's off, it will be laying across one side of a tire.
Good stuff!
простые решения всегда лучшие!
Save the old bracket you can weld it up and re-drill it . If you have an slop between brackets you can use some inner tube rubber between the parts.. Grade 8 Bolts and Loctite with lock Nuts..
Grade 8s break right away. To brittle. Ive tried em. Factory uses 5s. 😊
Great video Scotty. I actually learned something, thanks.
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That in the mountains?
I have to admit, the lamp tubes are a brilliant idea!!! I used various straight edges I've had around from my contractor work before but IF I ever do another one I'm gonna go dumpster diving for some straight glass first!!!
Florescent light bulbs?
I've heard of that somewhere else before...
Seems like the trick is holding the front wheel straight, and then looking for a gap between the front tire and the bulbs. The gap could be between the buld and tire at the left front, left rear, or at the right front, right rear. When theres no gap between the bulbs and the tires, at the front and rear tires then the bike is in straight alignment...
That's why it took three guys to do it.
I'm still not sure how it works, I'd like to see a mechanic do this set-up.
Rick is one of the best HD mechanics ive known
Shit a new motor! There's an unexpected expense & more down time. Sorry to hear it man.
Itll be in the next video.
Maybe they were getting wallowed out because you were using standard threaded bolts without the smoothed hardened section up top? So it acted liked it was sanding in a way. I don’t know, just speculatin. Either way. Always a joy seeing your uploads.
Scotty, that 2000 whatever Indian has an 88 SS engine in it. Real strong runner too. Good luck with the new engine.
Looks like you found a good shop of real mechanics and tools! Hope it holds!
So far so good
Scotty, thanks for all the great information. Keep on Truckin brother.
Interesting, really just the same as adjusting track rod ends on a car to get wheel alignment.
Doing it by eye…. that’s experience that is sadly lacking in so many places now.
got directed here after the camp out by you know who.
Blown motor? Scotty, eager to hear what's up with the engine. Wasn't this the recent replacement engine? What happened? Was it a dud? Is this what was causing excessive vibration? Can you soon get another one ? Dang, this is worrying. Awaiting next video.
I checked back and this video should have came before the video from a month ago. The older video shows getting front mount fixed then learns motor is shot. He then finds a really nice motor to put in the bike. Confusing but this isn't the newer engine. Great video.
@@jefffrayer8238 Okay, that' explains it. Videos were out of sequence. Thanks.
Got the next vid almost finished. Be up this weekend. It explains it all.
Glad to see more videos my friend!
I am glade I don't ride Harleys but I have never had the balls to do what you are doing thank you for the videos I am 71 maybe some day soon I will take my 650 yamha chopper for a real ride sounds like a real pain in the ass but that's what's about for men that wild at heart thanks again you are to be admired
I would laugh my ass off being around you guys. Lmao
Good to see ya Scotty and great vid.
I would have replaced the swingarm bushings at the same time. You have only put a bandaid on the problem.
Those things aint that old.
Well done ...mount fix
Atleast all your issues happened when you were at a great old school shop where they know how to fix everything and aren't trying to sell you a bunch of garbage
Rick at dirty rat is the real deal that guy is a genius
My Local same Family owned HD Dealer for 98 years is shutting down Kalamazoo / Portage MI. There is a need for Independent Motorcycle Repair shops .
Did the owner just get to old or wanted to retire?
@@scootertrampscotty 98 years two Generations. The Present owners Husband and wife are up around 90 years old. I know they have a daughter working at the store maybe in her 50's . I never owned a Harley in my life.. Bought a Buell Last July .. joined HOG last January . I will try and ask the owner some questions at the Christmas party, The Family owns a Farm and I have spread lime for them before.. that had a Runway in the middle of the Farm for their Airplane. One of his Daughters died from Cancer too. They had 3 very small Locations downtown Kalamazoo. Bought 10 acres and built a new 40,000# ft building in about 2002. HD wants to push the Single Dealers out they want Mega Dealers that own Multiple Locations.
Now that I think about it I would bet HD would have to approve who they sold it to.
There is a Mega Power Sports Dealer 1 mile down the road that sells Indians.
This is Kalamazoo MI the dealer has mostly 4 star Reviews. Battle Creek HD 25 miles to the East has much worse Revies.
I becomes friends with a Man name Geroge Danke. He lost his Battle Creek Dealership in a Divorce to his Ex Wife and her New Husand .. He was always very bitter about that.
He became a Yamaha Dealer he sold a massive Volume of Yamaha's ..
He used to teach customers how to do their own maintenance.. He sold Battery tenders at cost..
He ran a Dealership and later a parts store until a few months before he died at like age 89. I didn't even know that he was an FFL fire arms dealer too. and a Gun Smith .. He raced Flat Track in his younger years and he sponsored a number of racers.
@@scootertrampscotty George Danke was know as a Strong Man too ..He took many used bikes in trade in never had time to repair them. When he died he had 3 pole barns full of Motorcycles.. Old Harleys. Triumphs BSA's Bultaco . Yamaha Enduros..
He has a Yamaha XS-650 bored out to 750 CC's that won the Vintage race at Rice Lake the year before died. I think his rider was in his late 40's He has about every classic motorcycle you could imagine. I guess one of his Son's sold all the bikes to one person.
Sounds like metal fatigue will take out the front tab sooner rather than later. I hope she holds together long enough for Scotty to find a newer motor.
I havent seen one of those things broken yet.
Hopefully you won't be the first. There is nothing I can say except good luck, and you have a lot of people with you in spirit! @@scootertrampscotty
So you said that they don’t make that plate anymore, can you use one from a FXR? There are several aftermarket companies making them for a FXR.
Probably. Got a good one now though.
That are doing a great job 😎😎😎😎😎
Bikes are great and those that fix them are better. Always at least two boobs in the shop. Having fun scratchin heads and turning wrenches!
I fought with alignment online for the last year scotty. Really odd handling. Everything brand new. The slightest movement on the heim joints makes a dramatic change in how the bike handles.
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This is like a Twilight Zone episode. Some new break keeps you from leaving Utah.
Yeah!
Steel Sleeve insert with grade 8 harden bolts
Grade 8s broke constantly for me. To brittle. I learned the factory uses 5s. But the real problem (which i forgot to film) was loose bolts wabbling out the motors front bolt holes. It was real bad! So we drilled to the next size up.
Is this the engine you just put in?
Its actually a motor outta my old bike. Good motor. I believe it was a bad lifter wheel that took it out. Itll all be in the next video.
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They ain’t half ‘imagining’. Been doing it that way since mid 60’s. B UT you lay a house brick across the back off the rear wheel and same at front of front wheel . Lay the guides on these . Normally the back tyre is wider than the front ,so, layer against both sides of the rear wheel you check along the sides of the front wheel. You are looking for the gap between the guides and the front tyre to be the same on each side (rear tyre wider remember).
Those blue zip ties look good on that bike! I don’t care what anyone says lol If you need more let me know…You won’t have to go all the way to Sturgis for them this time lol. Ride safe Scotty!
Gee, thanks 😳
you probably discovered you need swin arm bushing too. you may even want to check rear wheel bearings." It's a demonstration boob" ha ha but aren't they all?
The swing arm bearings aint old. And the old timkin wheel bearings seldome ware out. My last ones had over 400k on them.
@scottykerekes2471 yeah thats where they went wrong with the twincam and m8 ,( not wheel bearings) but pressing the fly wheels together and using straight roller bearing for mains. when I've got to get into the bottom end ill do the Timken conversion. sorry about the bad news but it looks like your on the right spot for it to happen.
@@davidfellows6250
All in all it was a great experience 😊
Try explaining rubber mounted FXR's havin more in common with a FLH but 100 lbs lighter than a Dyna.
Damn, all that work aligning everything, and you had to pull it out and swap it. Faak! 🤦🏼♂️
I know. Next one was already aligned though.
Hi,Scotty i think your front motor mount is in upside down. The hourglass shaped side is supposed to face down. Dont know that would make if would make a difference though. Being this is a high mile bike I would definitely change your links,if you can afford it i would replace your swing arm rubbers as well
Good luck,buddy
The front mount goes flat side up. I saw HDs notice on about that.
didnt you just get that motor.?? dam mate when it gos wrong it sure dose go wrong... hope ya sorted soon cheers
Its actually a motor outta my old bike. Good motor. I believe it was a bad lifter wheel that took it out. Itll all be in the next video.
Wonder if your swing arm bushings are worn causing the motor to move more
Pretty sure you're right and they cause misalignment and handling problems if worn.
Those aint that old.
Can someone fab the brace out of heim joints so it would last longer? My evo is solid so I haven't delt with this yet, but I bet someone could make something stronger
Mine had almost 200k on them.
I'd try stainless grade-8 bolts.
Tried em. They break right away. To brittle. Factory uses 5s
I forgot how much they shake, makes me glad I got a z900rs lol? No shaking for me
I’d drill the motor and put steel sleeves in where it was wallered out and use grade 8 bolts. Or better yet use titanium bolts. You won’t break them.
I think the next size up bolts would have worked just fine.
Sure sounds like your flywheels shifted. Just sayin'
Does the engine, transmission and rear tire out of alignment cause the dreaded wobble.? Thats what ive heard from these genius mechanics on TH-cam. Obviously you didn't have the wobble issue and everything on your bike is out of alignment.
As long as everything is tight, it might track to the left or right when you take your hands off the bars.
Wabbles are mostly caused by bad or loose neck bearings. Replaced em on this bike once so far. Pain in the ass
You Forgot to go to the Car wash first ..
Bummer ur motor is no good but it can replace and ride hard
Barely has any miles just went back and forth to church 😔
Too damned bad about the motor. Hopefully they can hook up up without taking all your wallet!
Its all good now. Be on the next vid this weekend.
Scotty, Michael Boggs, is this something that just happened?
It is. Maybe 3 weeks ago
The end!!! I hate it
Dude. Blown motor? You got to get the hell out of there, winter is coming!!!
disis 0ver a m0nth ag0 br0.
Been in Arizona with my new motor for weeks now. Next video.
That is great news.
@@scootertrampscotty
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в истории развития автопромышленности была такая же проблема с автомобильными колёсами, и тогда придумали болты с конусной головкой, их просто периодически надо проверять и при необходимости подзатягивать,
в данном случае не нужно "изобретать велосипед" - есть старое готовое решение старой проблемы,
тебе не нужно рассверливать отверстия в двигателе под следующий размер, просто поставь болты с конусной головкой.
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@@scootertrampscotty
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use bolts with a cone head
@@unokarpa4405 The holes were badly wabbled out. That was the real problem.