Love your channel. Ordered my 911 992s modestly equipped with pdk. I test drove it this thing on a track, I was astounded by the performance. My first Porsche and my dream car!
Lol I love Jay. A little humor mixed in with his straight forward view on the cars he drives. A real down to earth guy it seems, I watch all his vids. Please continue as long as you can!
Jay Leno is one of the few guys who can drive super cars and people know he is not concerned with how much it costs to buy or the cost of owning it. He’s an actual car guy.
I remember one of the good M3s had launch control. You only got a handful of LC starts per clutch. I wonder if the PDK gives you more. Thanks for having the system explained Mr Leno.
While I appreciate all of the technology that goes into new cars I feel like the connection and thrill of driving is being lost. I have always appreciated the talent and skill that comes along with the practice of pushing the car and the feedback that an older 911 gives back. It is almost like a living relationship where as the car warns you that "Hey!!! I am about to bite you.". The modern electronics make it too forgiving in my opinion. Beautiful car all the same. Thanks Jay.
Every time these transmissions are mentioned the comments are filled with everyone saying that if they bought one it would be a manual. Save the manuals has been beaten into the ground. Around 80 percent of new 911s are sold with the PDK transmission. If everyone who complained about that went out and bought one, there would be nothing to complain about. Put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you are just patting each other on the back.
+goatmonkey2112 There's a difference between internet warriors who WANT a 911 and the people who actually buy them. The people who're actually buying them are old retired people who want an automatic transmission.
+Eric Pettersen I am not old or retired and I LOVE the PDK my '09 Carrera coupe. It's not like what you think of when you think "automatic" and its NOTHING like the POS that was the Tiptronic. This is my 3rd Porsche, and I've coveted/craved them my whole life, and before PDK I would've said that I would never buy a 911 that wasn't a manual...but things change. The PDK is fantastic. Jay's opinion is skewed. He has a zillion cars and can do whatever he wants and drive whatever car fits his mood/situation at any given time. I can only afford the one car to cover all of my situations, and that is where the flexibility of the PDK excels.
+Brad Stephens oh I'm not saying the PDK is a bad transmission, I've driven a 911 4S with it and it's amazing. But I personally would rather have the Manual just because I'm fully in control of the transmission. Personal preference
+Eric Pettersen I hear you, man...and I completely understand the desire for the manual. I was just saying that the PDK really does have a lot of merit and it's not just for old, tired people. ;-)
This type of transmission was invented by Frenchman Adolphe Kégresse just before World War II, although he never developed a working model. The first development of the twin-clutch or dual-clutch transmission started in the early part of 1980 under the guidance of Harry Webster at Automotive Products (AP), Leamington Spa, with prototypes built into the Ford Fiesta Mk1, Ford Ranger, and Peugeot 205. Initially, the control systems were based on purely analogue/discrete digital circuitry with patents filed in July 1981.[4] All of these early AP twin-clutch installations featured a single dry clutch and multiplate wet clutch. Following discussions with VW/Porsche, DCT work continued from Porsche in-house development, for Audi and Porsche racing cars later in the 1980s,[2] when computers to control the transmission became compact enough: the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (English: dual-clutch gearbox) (PDK)[2] used in the Porsche 956[2] and 962[2] Le Mans race cars from 1983,[2] and the Audi Sport Quattro S1.[5][6]
Jay, you were at the top of my "cool" list, then you cut the double clutch open.......................... I think you just graduated to your own cool list. Rock on brotha!
I just bought a 2008 997.2 C2S PDK and in less than a week I love it. I know manuals are the sort after rarer sweet spot and here in the UK we drive manuals in our sleep. The truth is that I suffered nerve damage in my left foot so PDK was the one I had to go for. Still bloody great though. Mine is a coupe though as the weather is crap here and the shape is slightly nicer in my opinion. 😊
Working my way through Jays older videos and very much enjoying watching them. In May 2020 I considered buying a 2009 997.2 cabriolet with a manual 6 speed and clutch and I liked it but decided to instead purchase a 1995 993 cabriolet with a manual 6 speed and clutch because the 993 has bigger body curves and last of the air cooled, etc for about the same price. Of course having both would be better but budget and garage space limit me to one 911 so I chose to go somewhat old school and love driving my 993! 🙂
@Dan Rook 2010 Porsche 911 Carerra S, Red, black rims, dark tint, two tone leather interior (black and tan), all stock and clean with Porsche certified warranty. This car has changed my life!
This type of transmission was invented by Frenchman Adolphe Kégresse just before World War II, although he never developed a working model. The first development of the twin-clutch or dual-clutch transmission started in the early part of 1980 under the guidance of Harry Webster at Automotive Products (AP), Leamington Spa, with prototypes built into the Ford Fiesta Mk1, Ford Ranger, and Peugeot 205. Initially, the control systems were based on purely analogue/discrete digital circuitry with patents filed in July 1981.[4] All of these early AP twin-clutch installations featured a single dry clutch and multiplate wet clutch. Following discussions with VW/Porsche, DCT work continued from Porsche in-house development, for Audi and Porsche racing cars later in the 1980s,[2] when computers to control the transmission became compact enough: the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (English: dual-clutch gearbox) (PDK)[2] used in the Porsche 956[2] and 962[2] Le Mans race cars from 1983,[2] and the Audi Sport Quattro S1.[5][6]
First manual automatic I ever saw was on a 1986 Champion grader. I think that was a seven or eight speed sequential gearbox with an automatic clutch. Really improved productivity being able to shift on the fly without stopping.
I agree with you 100%. Many people who support/buy semi-automatics always use the "race track" excuse to justify the transmissions... but in reality how often do you see a track? Are you racing against nineteen Formula 1 cars where fractions of a second matter? Of course not. Deep down, people who buy semi-automatics are either A) afraid of stop-and-go traffic or B) never perfected driving stick so they don't know how to enjoy it. Or C) Both.
The gt3 has "burnout mode".. Pull both paddles at the same time which acts like a manual clutch & allows you to rev freely & let them go as you would a manual clutch & your doing burnout!... If that's your thing!.. Great videos but I've nearly watched them all now so please let's have some more!., I see you have a 78 trans am please do a episode on that pretty please ;-)
Good gosh I love this car and these videos. Jay, you are my hero. I have loved cars since I was very young. My first experience was when I was ten years old and read the Black Tiger books. That started it for me. I could talk with Jay forever.
two clutches on the car because one clutch handles the even gears and the other one handles the odd gears. in that way it doesn't matter if you shift up or down the GB is always ready with the next gear
Man, I didn't even know about this channel, I would have subbed long ago if I had known there was a youtube channel to subscribe to, normally I just visit his site on occasions. Now I can actually keep tabs on his new vids as they are uploaded.
You should pull back to go up since you are being forced back while accelerating thus making it easier. With braking you are being forced forwards so you so should push forwards to shift down. It is like this in race cars and in Porsche's recent PDKs.
I wonder why they set it so you push the stick forward to change up to next gear e.g. 3rd to 4th. I drove a lorry that was the same and I was always getting it mixed up. My brain kept wanting to pull the lever back to change up like in a manual.
You're right.. Ultimately, it's the faster, more advanced tech that is going to win out. Survival of the fittest! But Alex A is right too, because with a car as raw, and driver focused as the GT3, it is a damn shame not to include the more driver involving and entertaining transmission choice..
Jays garage must be in the hood? I saw someone hanging their clothes to dry on the "outside" of their chain link fence of the front yard. I love his channel. I hope he does this full time when he retires from the tonight show.
Most People Are Lazy or Afraid or Both to Learn how to Shift a Manual Transmission that's why they like Automatics so what Porsche has done they take a Manual Transmission and install Servos to Activate the Shifting and the Clutch that are Controlled by a Electronic Control Module that receives the Input of the Paddles and Console Auto Shift mode
Jay- every skill level can drive this...although I'd want to be able to have a programmable pass code to fix the mode for family use. For a single owner it has 3 mood buttons. Carrera PDK... Pretty Darn Kwick
I think O'Brien is way better as a talk show host. He's really funny imo. But jay and his car show are just amazing. He deserves his own show for this.
Soon we will all have to look to older models of any car manufacturer if we want a pure driving experience & a manual gearbox. Unless if we all start buying Noble M600s. I hope they make that car legal in the US.
On a track guess what you do? You race. It is stupid when people complain that Porsche isn't offering the 7 speed manual in the GT3. Jay would buy the GT3 still. He has a McLaren MP4. Pretty sure it is the same setup as the GT3 soooo... Get the Carrera if you want a car focused on driving. Porsche has made the PDK more involving than the manual for the GT3 anyway. You can still operate the clutch in the GT3 by pulling in the paddles so there is your clutch pedal.
Quicker shifts yes, but how many GT3 owners race their cars to where a tenth of a second per lap matters? I don't mean to knock the PDK but they should have a least kept a true manual as an option.
I also have more money than brains but in my case that is barely enough to afford a cup of coffee ;-) Many of us prefer the manual trans but there are those whose infirmities or injuries rule out using a clutch pedal. Thanks to Porsche for making sure everyone can enjoy their cars regardless of how many pedals there are.
I've always been an automatic guy. If I can get the shift ratio right, maybe a rev sensor or so, I figure auto is the better method. With a transmission that pre-loads the next gear and various rev configurations why would you drive manual. Much like a smoker needing the oral fixation, gear heads need to feel in control and shift. To each his own. #Automatic4Life
They got the direction all screwy. Downshift should be a forward push and upshift should be pulling towards you. Why would you ever want to go against gravity??
I can't argue about that. I saw a video recently with a Porsche engineer explaining why there would be no manual in the GT3, and as much as he sugar coated it you could tell it was a decision from upstairs. Technology is always a good thing, but at what point will these cars go the way of the GTR: blazing fast on the track but boring everywhere else.
Many years have gone since and this 2009 iteration is still one of the most beautiful car on the road. The manual one will be my sweet spot
Love your channel.
Ordered my 911 992s modestly equipped with pdk.
I test drove it this thing on a track, I was astounded by the performance. My first Porsche and my dream car!
Lol I love Jay. A little humor mixed in with his straight forward view on the cars he drives. A real down to earth guy it seems, I watch all his vids. Please continue as long as you can!
Jay Leno is one of the few guys who can drive super cars and people know he is not concerned with how much it costs to buy or the cost of owning it. He’s an actual car guy.
I love when he talks to the camera on the other car while driving fast, brutal! XD
Jay Leno was such an entertaining speaker. I feel like he’s hosting me in his garage. A true salesman and entertainer. Great he’s a gear head.
I remember one of the good M3s had launch control. You only got a handful of LC starts per clutch. I wonder if the PDK gives you more. Thanks for having the system explained Mr Leno.
7:12 $3.15 /gallon -- those were the days!
While I appreciate all of the technology that goes into new cars I feel like the connection and thrill of driving is being lost. I have always appreciated the talent and skill that comes along with the practice of pushing the car and the feedback that an older 911 gives back. It is almost like a living relationship where as the car warns you that "Hey!!! I am about to bite you.". The modern electronics make it too forgiving in my opinion. Beautiful car all the same. Thanks Jay.
Every time these transmissions are mentioned the comments are filled with everyone saying that if they bought one it would be a manual. Save the manuals has been beaten into the ground. Around 80 percent of new 911s are sold with the PDK transmission. If everyone who complained about that went out and bought one, there would be nothing to complain about. Put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise you are just patting each other on the back.
+goatmonkey2112 There's a difference between internet warriors who WANT a 911 and the people who actually buy them. The people who're actually buying them are old retired people who want an automatic transmission.
+Eric Pettersen I am not old or retired and I LOVE the PDK my '09 Carrera coupe. It's not like what you think of when you think "automatic" and its NOTHING like the POS that was the Tiptronic. This is my 3rd Porsche, and I've coveted/craved them my whole life, and before PDK I would've said that I would never buy a 911 that wasn't a manual...but things change. The PDK is fantastic.
Jay's opinion is skewed. He has a zillion cars and can do whatever he wants and drive whatever car fits his mood/situation at any given time. I can only afford the one car to cover all of my situations, and that is where the flexibility of the PDK excels.
+Brad Stephens oh I'm not saying the PDK is a bad transmission, I've driven a 911 4S with it and it's amazing. But I personally would rather have the Manual just because I'm fully in control of the transmission. Personal preference
+Eric Pettersen I hear you, man...and I completely understand the desire for the manual. I was just saying that the PDK really does have a lot of merit and it's not just for old, tired people. ;-)
Eric Pettersen ,,
This type of transmission was invented by Frenchman Adolphe Kégresse just before World War II, although he never developed a working model. The first development of the twin-clutch or dual-clutch transmission started in the early part of 1980 under the guidance of Harry Webster at Automotive Products (AP), Leamington Spa, with prototypes built into the Ford Fiesta Mk1, Ford Ranger, and Peugeot 205. Initially, the control systems were based on purely analogue/discrete digital circuitry with patents filed in July 1981.[4] All of these early AP twin-clutch installations featured a single dry clutch and multiplate wet clutch. Following discussions with VW/Porsche, DCT work continued from Porsche in-house development, for Audi and Porsche racing cars later in the 1980s,[2] when computers to control the transmission became compact enough: the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (English: dual-clutch gearbox) (PDK)[2] used in the Porsche 956[2] and 962[2] Le Mans race cars from 1983,[2] and the Audi Sport Quattro S1.[5][6]
Wow amazing so they've been tuning this technology for decades
Jay, you were at the top of my "cool" list, then you cut the double clutch open.......................... I think you just graduated to your own cool list. Rock on brotha!
Jay i watch your show every morning before and after work.
I just bought a 2008 997.2 C2S PDK and in less than a week I love it. I know manuals are the sort after rarer sweet spot and here in the UK we drive manuals in our sleep. The truth is that I suffered nerve damage in my left foot so PDK was the one I had to go for. Still bloody great though. Mine is a coupe though as the weather is crap here and the shape is slightly nicer in my opinion. 😊
Working my way through Jays older videos and very much enjoying watching them. In May 2020 I considered buying a 2009 997.2 cabriolet with a manual 6 speed and clutch and I liked it but decided to instead purchase a 1995 993 cabriolet with a manual 6 speed and clutch because the 993 has bigger body curves and last of the air cooled, etc for about the same price.
Of course having both would be better but budget and garage space limit me to one 911 so I chose to go somewhat old school and love driving my 993! 🙂
thanks for the double feature tonight Jay!
I love how Jay mentions the triptonic trans! How many years since Porsche used that old thing?
Do these have glass for the rear window or plastic?
Finally they made 7 speed manual kkkk in 2012 I'm now watching in 2020 what a fun.
So how is it lubricated ?? ATF or gear oil ??
Just bought this car and LOVE it
What u buy tony
@Dan Rook 2010 Porsche 911 Carerra S, Red, black rims, dark tint, two tone leather interior (black and tan), all stock and clean with Porsche certified warranty. This car has changed my life!
Lexus was the first company to come out with the double clutch in 2008 for the IS - F
This type of transmission was invented by Frenchman Adolphe Kégresse just before World War II, although he never developed a working model. The first development of the twin-clutch or dual-clutch transmission started in the early part of 1980 under the guidance of Harry Webster at Automotive Products (AP), Leamington Spa, with prototypes built into the Ford Fiesta Mk1, Ford Ranger, and Peugeot 205. Initially, the control systems were based on purely analogue/discrete digital circuitry with patents filed in July 1981.[4] All of these early AP twin-clutch installations featured a single dry clutch and multiplate wet clutch. Following discussions with VW/Porsche, DCT work continued from Porsche in-house development, for Audi and Porsche racing cars later in the 1980s,[2] when computers to control the transmission became compact enough: the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (English: dual-clutch gearbox) (PDK)[2] used in the Porsche 956[2] and 962[2] Le Mans race cars from 1983,[2] and the Audi Sport Quattro S1.[5][6]
BTW great review, i was just thinking about buying a 997.2 cs cabrio. thanks!
much better audio quality with the earset mic! good job team!
Now I know what dual clutch is. Personally, I can do without the clutch pedal and devote all my attention to the other things going on.
First manual automatic I ever saw was on a 1986 Champion grader. I think that was a seven or eight speed sequential gearbox with an automatic clutch. Really improved productivity being able to shift on the fly without stopping.
Though the car can shift so quick, out of curiousity what is the weight dif. between the two transmissions?
i drove an automatic the other day and was bored out of my mind the entire time, almost got into an accident.
MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS SAVE LIVES XD
I agree with you 100%. Many people who support/buy semi-automatics always use the "race track" excuse to justify the transmissions... but in reality how often do you see a track? Are you racing against nineteen Formula 1 cars where fractions of a second matter? Of course not.
Deep down, people who buy semi-automatics are either A) afraid of stop-and-go traffic or B) never perfected driving stick so they don't know how to enjoy it. Or C) Both.
Beolex Beolex
another great episode...Thanks Jay
was this done a while ago? 2009 porsche in 2013?
The gt3 has "burnout mode".. Pull both paddles at the same time which acts like a manual clutch & allows you to rev freely & let them go as you would a manual clutch & your doing burnout!... If that's your thing!.. Great videos but I've nearly watched them all now so please let's have some more!., I see you have a 78 trans am please do a episode on that pretty please ;-)
Good gosh I love this car and these videos. Jay, you are my hero. I have loved cars since I was very young. My first experience was when I was ten years old and read the Black Tiger books. That started it for me. I could talk with Jay forever.
two clutches on the car because one clutch handles the even gears and the other one handles the odd gears. in that way it doesn't matter if you shift up or down the GB is always ready with the next gear
Man, I didn't even know about this channel, I would have subbed long ago if I had known there was a youtube channel to subscribe to, normally I just visit his site on occasions. Now I can actually keep tabs on his new vids as they are uploaded.
Omg this is basically what my dad has. Literally 100%, he has a white, 2009, pdk, carrera s cabriolet. Im just like wtf, thats scary.
Considering a 2009 Carrera 4S but a GCC specs, is it expensive to make the car US Specs? Car still in the Middle East.
i didn't scroll deep into comments. so here's my question. how much did the duel clutch unit set you back.
A friend in '60s built a 'clutched', automatic trans w/ a shaft within a shaft for pump & drive.
I rather manual gearbox any day as well . paddle shift may be faster but manual is a heck of a lot more fun .
You should pull back to go up since you are being forced back while accelerating thus making it easier. With braking you are being forced forwards so you so should push forwards to shift down. It is like this in race cars and in Porsche's recent PDKs.
I wonder why they set it so you push the stick forward to change up to next gear e.g. 3rd to 4th. I drove a lorry that was the same and I was always getting it mixed up. My brain kept wanting to pull the lever back to change up like in a manual.
9:10 gets me every time
What a cackle hahahaaa
That intro music is so cool.
Indeed. They did a 7 speed manual! Good prediction!
You're right.. Ultimately, it's the faster, more advanced tech that is going to win out. Survival of the fittest!
But Alex A is right too, because with a car as raw, and driver focused as the GT3, it is a damn shame not to include the more driver involving and entertaining transmission choice..
10:43 "i wonder if they'll ever make a 7speed manual, I'll keep my fingers crossed" , Porsche did for 2012 with the 991
I hope you will drive a Porsche 968. It is a wonderful car and the precursor to the Cayman S and Boxster S. you eill love the way it handles.
Great fun - laughed out loud several times!
Jays garage must be in the hood? I saw someone hanging their clothes to dry on the "outside" of their chain link fence of the front yard. I love his channel. I hope he does this full time when he retires from the tonight show.
Hhhh it is way worse now
Most People Are Lazy or Afraid or Both to Learn how to Shift a Manual Transmission that's why they like Automatics so what Porsche has done they take a Manual Transmission and install Servos to Activate the Shifting and the Clutch that are Controlled by a Electronic Control Module that receives the Input of the Paddles and Console Auto Shift mode
Is this porsche's color carrara white or plain white or somethin' else ??
I love this color very much, so I wanna know it.
Jay, How many times have you been stopped by California's finest while test driving? Inquiring minds and all that...
Thomas Karl California's finest? Really?
why is this only in 480p?!!!? where did HD go!?!
It's a 7 speed manual in the 991 Jay, not 6. 7th is an overdrive to get it to 30mpg on the combined cycle.
I love the 7sp dual clutch in my 335iS. instantaneous full power (torque) shifts. I bought the trans, the car just happened to come with it. :)
Hey Jay, GM is using a newly designed 7spd manual transmission in the new Corvette Stingray.
Jay have you driven new 991 seeing as this is the 997
Jay- every skill level can drive this...although I'd want to be able to have a programmable pass code to fix the mode for family use. For a single owner it has 3 mood buttons. Carrera PDK... Pretty Darn Kwick
Why no HD of this video?
I think O'Brien is way better as a talk show host. He's really funny imo. But jay and his car show are just amazing. He deserves his own show for this.
New carrera?
love how a little part of jay is still 5 years old 5:39 "whea bam bam!"
J, have you ever thought getting into a track and film a few laps for us?
I wonder what Jay thinks about the 991 GT3 not being offered with a proper manual...
Soon we will all have to look to older models of any car manufacturer if we want a pure driving experience & a manual gearbox.
Unless if we all start buying Noble M600s. I hope they make that car legal in the US.
Ian old enough to have riven a lot of cars with 3 on the tree, four on the floor to paddles and I like each for their differences.
White looks really nice on that
On a track guess what you do? You race. It is stupid when people complain that Porsche isn't offering the 7 speed manual in the GT3. Jay would buy the GT3 still. He has a McLaren MP4. Pretty sure it is the same setup as the GT3 soooo... Get the Carrera if you want a car focused on driving. Porsche has made the PDK more involving than the manual for the GT3 anyway. You can still operate the clutch in the GT3 by pulling in the paddles so there is your clutch pedal.
They did get it right. PDK > manual for track days.
I would love to own one of those one of these days
Those transmissions are sweet, I would love one also
I just seen the carrera 4 and 4s with the 7speed manual crazy right?
"Deaccelerating"? Seriously?
+handsomebassman Ha! I thought the same.
It's the way of the future, you can't escape that. Also, because of the low production numbers, only one transmission option was financially feasible.
Jay, you're best best.
Quicker shifts yes, but how many GT3 owners race their cars to where a tenth of a second per lap matters? I don't mean to knock the PDK but they should have a least kept a true manual as an option.
I think it's standard on most road cars. I drove a Mercedes or lexus or something was the same way. You get used to it after 2 minutes.
thanks, I will check is website :)
No burnout?
I also have more money than brains but in my case that is barely enough to afford a cup of coffee ;-)
Many of us prefer the manual trans but there are those whose infirmities or injuries rule out using a clutch pedal. Thanks to Porsche for making sure everyone can enjoy their cars regardless of how many pedals there are.
C7 Vette also comes with a seven speed manual
MANUALS FOREVER!!!
an engineer that just said "de-accelerating".... GENIUS! hahaha
PDK FTW
I've always been an automatic guy. If I can get the shift ratio right, maybe a rev sensor or so, I figure auto is the better method. With a transmission that pre-loads the next gear and various rev configurations why would you drive manual. Much like a smoker needing the oral fixation, gear heads need to feel in control and shift. To each his own. #Automatic4Life
The 3.6L Carrera is the base model with 340 HP. And you have the 3.8L Carrera S with 380 HP
And the GTS with 408 hp
great car...wish I had it!
Why does it have Corvette C5 ZO6 wheels on it?
Thats why within the first minute of the video he says, 'this is the new porsche carrera S
They got the direction all screwy. Downshift should be a forward push and upshift should be pulling towards you. Why would you ever want to go against gravity??
single electric gearbox with instant 443 ft pounds of torque is definitely a lot more fun than a manual
I can't argue about that. I saw a video recently with a Porsche engineer explaining why there would be no manual in the GT3, and as much as he sugar coated it you could tell it was a decision from upstairs. Technology is always a good thing, but at what point will these cars go the way of the GTR: blazing fast on the track but boring everywhere else.
yes
"If your kids are fetus', or if they were born within the last hour, they'll sit comfortably back there." I laughed hahah
Really want a review on the new gt3, the facelift is so sexy. Also why no luxury cars besides astons? Never see an s class or m5?
My question would be how complicated would it be to repair
Porsche say replace but places in the states are now repairing, also here in England a firm repairs
Why is Jay going on about double clutch like the 911 is the first car in the world to have it? It's been around for years now!
nice review jay.......
Jay leno has the worlds coolest life
this is an old video from his website