July 1 - Sir Thomas More is found guilty
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- 🗡️ The Trial of Sir Thomas More: A Tudor Tragedy 🗡️
On this day in Tudor history, July 1, 1535, Sir Thomas More, Henry VIII’s former Lord Chancellor, faced trial for high treason. Found guilty, More’s steadfast conscience and refusal to compromise on matters of faith led to his execution on July 6, 1535.
Join me as I explore the dramatic events of his trial, his unwavering principles, and the powerful figures who judged him. Discover the story behind More’s famous resistance to Henry VIII’s supremacy over the Church and how it ultimately cost him his life. 📜⚖️
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Watch now to uncover the riveting tale of Sir Thomas More’s trial and his enduring legacy. 🌹👑
Also on this day in Tudor history, 1st July 1543, in the reign of King Henry VIII, the Treaties of Greenwich were signed. These treaties were between the kingdoms of Scotland and England, and, amongst other terms, was the agreement of a marriage between Prince Edward, the future King Edward VI, and Mary, Queen of Scots. Find out more about these treaties and the subsequent war known as the Rough Wooing in last year’s video - • July 1 - An interestin...
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Thomas More seemed to know just how ruthless Henry VIII could be and indeed he paid for his beliefs with his life
Same with Thomas Cromwell!
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The more I hear about Henry VIII the more I dislike him. I definitely would’ve lost my head if I live back then
Agreed I used to have a biography of Henry VIII in my bookshelves...but I donated it to a Charity Shop. Such a horrid cruel individual!!!
Same here!
Speak on it 🙌
If your name is Thomas, Anne or Catherine, just stay away from guys named Henry!
Excellent advice!!! Never made that connection until you pointed it out!!!
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Janes also need to flee court when there’s w Tudor about
Lovely video, Claire. Sir Thomas More has always fascinated me since I first saw the 1965 movie "A Man For All Seasons" on TV back in the late 1970s. The real More was not quite as depicted in the film, as it showed only one aspect of his personality and there were many sides to him, some of them not always good. I know about his daughter, Margaret Roper, but history seems to have lost track of her sister Cecily Heron. I know her husband Giles Heron was executed in 1540, so I would have loved to know what happened to Cecily and her children after his death. It's similar with More's other daughter, Elizabeth Dauncey. She and her family disappear from the Tudor radar and nothing more is heard about them.
Yes, they weren't seen as important so they don't have biographies or articles on them, which is a shame.
I'm intrigued to know what happened to his other children, and also to his wife, Alice - did she live long after his execution?
I am SUCH a weenie, totally lacking in strength of character. OK Henry, what do I sign and where? Love Anne, love your shoes.
Probably the most egregious of all the murders Henry committed was that of Moore. As much as I loved Jeremy Northam (who doesn't love him??! in the Tudors, I think the absolute best performance of paul Scofield in A Man for All Seasons. An old movies now but worth a look.
AND, Charlton Heston's playing the title role. It was awesome
@@thebigfignewton It was actually the English actor Robert Shaw.
A great film and a great performance by Paul Scofield, also worth watching for a young John Hurt as Richard Rich.
@@colinlavelle7806 it was another film with Charlton Heston playing Sir Thomas More.. not in the Paul Scolfield movie
I ordered 2 of your books online, Claire and they arrived yesterday!!! One is “ On this day in Tudor History” and the other is “The Anne Boleyn Collection” I am so excited!!! Love the work you do and the passion you have for this era!!! 💕💞💓💗💖
Yay! Thank you! I really hope you enjoy them!
"...the King's true servant, but God's first."
AMEN!
Hear!Hear!
I don't Think More aceppted Anne as Queen.
A rule of thumb is to not become King Henry VIII’s right hand man 😂
I appear to be the first person to view todays talk! I have only recently found your channel and have found your talks most interesting. Also enjoy the occasional activities of your cat and listening out for the church bell!
Welcome to my channel! Yes, my dogs and cats do like to get in on the action and the bells ring very regularly!
Sir Thomas More seems to have been a man of some integrity, but I cannot find much in his life that would mark him out as being particularly saintly. He approved the use of torture and the burning of "heretics," and seems to have been something of a religious fanatic.
He was one of the major scholars of his time and clearly a brilliant man but, as you said, he had no trouble having heretics burnt at the stake. There were claims of torture levelled against him but that's something he vigorously denied and I'm inclined to believe him on that. In the final analysis I think he was someone who placed a higher value on religious authority than secular authority.
The judging and condemnation of heresy were (in England) a matter for the ecclesiastical courts, not the secular ones. The civil power carried out the sentence passed by the ecclesiastical court. Sir Thomas More, being a layman, had no part in heresy trials. I am not for a moment denying that he supported the execution of obstinate heretics, but his views were of his time and in no way exceptional. Church and state were inextricably linked and heresy was regarded as a species of treason against God. The point is that, as a layman, More had no part in the trial and condemnation of heretics (although as Lord Chancellor he issued writs for the arrest of those suspected of heresy). In this regard, the following may be of interest:
thomasmorestudies.org/tmstudies/DCH_Karlin.pdf
@Doctor Detroit Perhaps it is not for the 21st century to preach sermons to the 16th on the subject of cruelty.
I would never condoned the persecution and executions, but 16th century people would have believed that heretics were evil and a danger to people's souls. People were far more worried about the fate of their soul than their earthly body, and heretics were a risk to the people.
Worse people have been canonised. Lawrence of Brindisi, who died in 1619, has been given some of the blame for the outbreak of the Thirty Years' War.
More had an acid wit and sometimes gloated over the deaths of the heretics he burned.
I've always thought that More's comment about him loosing his head for a castle in France was from a position of More being keenly aware of what kind of man he served. Henry's psychology is still a mystery that is debated to this day but a few things are very clear. Henry put no person above his desires or his relentless need for absolute loyalty. A person in Henry's way did not live long and More knew that long before Henry started killing the people closest to him.
Yes, I think More was very astute.
horrible henry...
Also on this day in 1867 Canada became a Country and part of the British Commonwealth. Happy Canada Day to all Canadian Tudor Society Members
Being close to Henry was like dancing with the devil.
Certainly a principled man who had lines he wouldn’t cross. But, I don’t think it would have been too much of a compromise to go late to Anne’s coronation and leave early LOLOL.
I think he was too principled to be a hypocrite.
To go Anne's coronation would be to accept that she was queen.
More was always faithful to Queen Catherine.
Al Hilford indeed. My bad attempt at humor.
Great video! Thomas More is a fascinating figure, and I need to learn more about him.
I am enjoying all of this history, but I too find Henry too cruel.
I have to admire Sir Thomas More! He was loyal to God and the church!
Edward died on the day when Thomas More was executed
Silence construes consent. Watch A Man for all Seasons. Best movie
It's a wonderful movie but we do have to take it with a pinch of salt, it rather romanticises More. Wolf Hall made him an awful man, and A Man for All Seasons is completely the opposite. It would be good to have a more balanced view of him. I think Jeremy Northam was actually very good as him in The Tudors.
My paternal ancestors (Guido is a pen name) plus those of my wife lived in England during this time and probably thought which church do I go to this Sunday. No wonder their descendants headed to the colonies.
I don't think they would have had to think much about choosing which church at attend. Little changed in the liturgy during the reign of Henry....so it was catholic but without any reference to the Bishop of Rome. Things changed dramatically during the reign of Edward.
In the reign of Elizabeth I, Parliament passed the law that forced everyone to attend the new Protestant Sunday church services.
Failure to do so meant a fine.
Further non-compliance resulted in imprisonment, even death.
In other words they were forced to join the new religion or become paupers.
Just one more reason Pope John Paul II was an amazing pope 🙏🏼✨❤️
0:38 Despite his idealism, More was not naive about politics. More and Cromwell were two representatives of a modern phenomenon: the ideologue and the technocrat. The ideologue is superior in my view, because, even if his ideology is wrong, he considers the why and the wherefore before the how. The technocrat is one who, like the geneticists Jeff Goldblum criticizes in "Jurassic Park," wonders if "he could before he stops to think if he should." Cromwell's machinations produced a halfway house Protestantism in the Church of England rather than the Lutheran, Calvinist, or even evangelical church that he may have favored. Wedding the church to the state created problems in time such as the aggrandizement of the monarchy and the subordination of the clergy. There were no Thomas à Becketts or Walks to Canossa in the Anglican tradition, and the monarchy, had the zealous Edward VI survived or had Charles I not lost the Civil War, could have become something like the Prussian state on the continent. Peter the Great similarly assumed headship of the Russian Church and it marked the beginning of the absolutism that largely continues in Russia to this day.
That he was not.
I went to st Thomas more high school in Hamilton Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
So I saw his painting every day as I entered school
Yes! There are so many what-ifs. They're the perfect fodder for alternative history novels.
Great video! Happy Canada Day🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Happy Canada Day!
I have always wondered if Henry VIII.came to regret this action as More had always been so faithful in his works for the Crown. More's resistance was truly a matter of consciousness and not an act of defiance. Because of Henry's ego, More had to be made an example of the King's supremacy. Still, I wonder if Henry ever came to regret losing his faithful and trusted servant. .... Thank you for all you do. Be well and be blessed ❤
I think he must have regretted it, even if he didn't say so.
You too x
The canonization of anyone who burned people is ridiculous, and proves how hypocritical the RC church is.
Sorry to say, you must understand the mindset of people who lived 500 years ago.
Poor Sir Thomas Moore one of my favorites😇
I remember first reading about thomas more in middle school cause he was on a page of my christian studies book, henry really was a cruel man. what he wanted he got, who he wanted dead was granted
🇭🇲🦘 Like him or loathe him, Sir Thomas More (like so many others) was innocent, but found guilty and executed. These were some very dreadful Tudor times.
An interesting video, and the facts explained so very well by you Claire. "Thank you" 👑👍
Glad I found your channel. I am a big history buff, and very much enjoyed reading the book London.
Great video again. Thomas More was a very strong man.
Indeed!
I do the same love these videos. Can zi ask why we are in the kitchen. Don't get me wrong love your kitchen but I miss the office and your nick nacks
I've always felt sorry for Thomas and Henry in this situation. 😔
I was wondering if anyone who watches these great videos can please tell me where I can get a transcript of More's trial?? Thanks
Sir Thomas more did have people tortured and burnt as well not very saintly at all
I'd like to know of an example where Thomas More was directly involved in the torture and burning of someone. Heresy was a crime and there were laws enacted by parliament which dealt with people accused and found guilty of heresy.
Robert:
Please provide details.
You can't just accuse someone like that without documented evidence.
I have studied the life of More and read his books, and I find your statements hard to believe.
I've read all three of Hilary Mantel's books about Thomas Cromwell multiple times each. Thomas More is one of the primary antagonists in the first book (until his execution). Based on the Holbein portrait above, and the visibly unshaven chin, Mantel characterizes Thomas More as a scruffy, unkempt, and ill-dressed figure. More is indeed unshaven in this picture, but his clothing is nothing like the rabbit-furred, torn, and oversized clothing that Mantel gives him in "Wolf Hall." It's rather fine - silk or velvet sleeves, a sleek fabric for the body of the robe, lots of soft fur for the lining. I think her characterization of More is similarly unrepresentative of the man. She diminishes the fact that More had his daughter educated (quite well) by suggesting, so I believe, that he had a subconscious attraction to his own daughter. Furthermore, she takes away the courtroom scene so that Thomas More's views and the law that condemns him cannot be aired. Finally, Thomas More's death is related at second-hand, with no mention of his final words or his joking with the executioner.
I have to agree. I tried to watch Wolf Hall as a TV series and also tried to read the book, but the portrayal of More and Cromwell were not true to history and I gave up on them. But then again both the book and TV series were part fiction and I guess she probably didn't necessarily want the characters to be true to history.
I really didn't enjoy Mantel's books, I felt like she'd made everyone very unlikeable, even Cromwell, her hero.
The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society: I had a hard time with the series as well for the same reason. People are complicated not one-dimensional.
@@anneboleynfiles Jane Seymour was charmingly naive in the series. And Mary Boleyn was fairly honest and genial. However, in the last book, one can't tell whether Jane is truly a dullard (as Henry says, "You don't think I have married a fool?") or someone who played the long con - someone who acted demure to let her ambitions go unnoticed. Although, she doesn't really like being queen and her personality has gone sour. Thus, she's no longer a likeable character.
Anglican are great brothers of us chatholics
Interesting comment but the reforming Thomas Cranmer Abp of Canterbury would be horrified at the practises and beliefs that have crept back into (some) Anglican Churches since the reformation. Cranmer came to rteject the mass and denied the 'real presence' and referred to the Bishop of Rome as the antichrist.
Back then, they saw each other as heretics, but now things are thankfully different.
Can you fathom if Henry VII were transported in time to the present. All hades would break loose..you are correct I meant Henry VIII. Sorry about.
Henry VII or Henry VIII?
But yes!
Lol off with my head too
I'm re-watching Wolf Hall, in which the view of More, Cromwell's view, is so jaundiced that More appears far from saintly, but rather a malignant, ambitious, disingenuous man who was fond of torture.
That's a view not much credited. He was popular and respected and trusted. He proved those virtues in his time of trial.
He tried to resign and Henry would not allow it. Henry knew his position
yet would not let him go. More thought silence was his shield, believing that if he did 'none harm and said none harm' the law would protect him but the law was turned on its head. It wasn't until he was sentenced to die that he spoke his mind on the Supremacy
This is why I like Sir Thomas. He wasn't one of those people who sought martyrdom. On the contrary he tried to avoid it like a sensible pragmatic lawyer. But he would not yield in the end when he'd run out of defences.
People mourned his death because he was liked and respected, all over Europe. No, he wasn't the bad guy in the story. Henry was, ably assisted by Cromwell.
@@marionarnott750 Totally agree with this, a combination of the extremely pious and lawyer. More so vigorously denied the accusation of having used torture at his home that I believe him.
@@landonmiller6943 Me too, Langdon, me too
Why would a man of ambition defy his King, return the symbols of his office, and ultimately die for a principle, when he could so easily have avoided it all.Ambition.was not
his ruling passion. He proved that beyond a doubt.
@@marionarnott750 I see your point but More was a very religious and principled man who had connections with the London Carthusians and had spent time with them at their Charterhouse. I could not have gone down the path he went down. One could also argue that he had a duty to save himself for the sake of his family. He is certainly one of the most admired and respected men in English history
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Wonderful work as always! Can you do a video about Catherine of Aragon's ancestors and their ties to Geoffrey Chaucer?
I don't really do genealogy as it's not my area of expertise.
Aw he shares a death date with Edward VI :(
Love your videos as usual. I have a question: Do you think that if Catherine of Aragon had given Henry the son he wanted, would he still go and divorced her to be with Anne Boleyn?
Barb Garcia I don’t. he wouldn’t have got rid of the Queen as anything that discredited her in the divorce would have reflected on his heir. Instead he would have upped the number of mistresses
No. He would never have doubted his marriage to her.
It is most interesting that Thomas was beatified on May 19th; the same date as Anne Boleyn's execution...399 years later! May 19th is also the date of Harry and Meghan's marriage.
Goodness, did they really only have five or six christian names for men back then? How confusing it must have been. Anyway, I could never warm up to Thomas More, possibly due to a strict Presbyterian upbringing. From what I’ve read he was far from being a saint. However, marvelous presentation as always!
Thank you!