Will Ferrari Join The IMSA GTP Class?
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- Will the Ferrari 499P ever race in IMSA? Besides Aston Martin who are joining in 2025, out of all the LMH manufacturers, Ferrari has the best chance of joining, and it could happen soon... In this video, I talk all about the possibilities of the prestigious Italian brand joining IMSA's GTP Class one day.
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With the fact that Ferrari have a current "customer" entry in the WEC this season. The likely hood of seeing the 499P in IMSA is possible because who knows if we will ever get another LMH in IMSA besides Aston Martin
It has to be remembered that the "customer" entry in WEC is run by AF Corse, the factory team. They will be highly familiar with the intricacies of how to run the 499P, and have factory support. Risi have no modern prototype hybrid experience. It's a lot to ask Ferrari for one of their cars to come to IMSA and represent their brand with a team that will need factory support, and will likely not do as good a job as AF Corse can do in WEC. This is a big barrier for Risi and I personally doubt it will ever be overcome - and I say this as a lifelong fan of the Scuderia.
And, for what it's worth, the Daytona win is the ace up Risi's sleeve. If they win the MEC on top of that I can't imagine they could do any better in Ferrari's eyes. But as Ferrari have cast so much doubt over an IMSA external effort, I remain doubtful.
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Ferrari at Daytona would be so sick! This is the perfect time. Also the LeMans win last year had a bit too much BoP on Toyota.
th ferrari looks the best. would love to see it battle porshe at daytona
More like battle Cadillac and Porsche
I agree, then the Porsche, then the Lamborghini. After that place them however u like
The complexity will basically make it so expensive that it will be all but factory team but in paperwork. Hopefully the car manufacturers don't find loopholes in the rules so it becomes just like LMP1 again 🙃. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
It would be cool to see Ferrari join IMSA's GTP class and if Ferrari could possibly do it with a customer entry it would also be cool for Toyota to do the same with the GR010 since at IMSA the only team representing Toyota in a way is Vasser Sullivan where as other Manufacturers are represented by various other teams at IMSA it would be cool to have the two Hypercar giants to come and battle in the states even if it means they can only do the Michelin Endurance rounds but still since both cars are very dominant when it comes to Le Mans, if they have customer entries at IMSA the cars could even take home the Triple Crown
its cool but toyota also has entering nascar because imsa oned by nascar
I think that the third Ferrari in Wec is an experiment, for a next future in the Imsa.
third ferrari in wec is just a extra data collector for ferrari
I would honestly love to see Ferrari and as well as Toyota to join the GTP class one day
And what is with Peugeot?
@@CobraFerrariFthid imagine peugeot would struggle heavily on the first two tracks in imsa
@@CobraFerrariFth Peugeot isn't selling cars in North America, therefore it makes zero sense to race the 9X8 here. If Stellantis wants to compete in IMSA, it will most likely be with the Alfa Romeo brand.
@@ivaneurope Ferrari belongs also somehow to Stellantis
@@CobraFerrariFth They were spun-off into an independent company back in 2015 during the FCA days.
Couldn't stop reading the thumbnail title as "Will Ferrell Joins IMSA". Thought Fassbender had some competition for a minute.
😂😂😂
After reading a few times myself, I could start to see Will Ferrell’s name.
Ricky Bobby is going to IMSA! 😅
Everyone would love to see it.
Slightly off topic but it's in the video. I love the onboards of a top tier le mans prototype going flat out on that run from Mulsanne to indianapolis.
I think a customer entry is a likely path to ferrari entering GTP. I doubt the works team would run a full season of GTP but it wouldn't surprise me to see a works backed ferrari for the occasional marquee event like the rolex 24 at Daytona.
I find it hard to believe that toyota couldnt or wouldnt be able to go to the gtp class in imsa, especially with how refined their car is compared to the others who are still playing "catch up". Toyota have a huge customer base in the US and considering that the toyotas are really successful in NASCAR, im sure they could find some way to find either a customer team or sponsorship to race
IIRC Ferrari has electric motor running front wheels, while for gtp it is required that cars should be rwd
No, this is allowed in LMH rules, and so completely legal in IMSA.
I certainly agree with you. Not that IMSA isn't doing great as far as grid and audience numbers are concerned, it would open up a new demographic for the championship. If one has a glance at the team uptake of the 296 GT3 from IMSA, GT World even with the NLS, its actually quite positive to believe they might have a renewed vigour in Prototype and GT racing.
Nonetheless said demographic can be quite combativ.....I mean vehement.
I hope we see some LMH's in the GTP (besides of Aston Martin). It so sad that all of them only focus on the WEC.
Unfortunately the logistics are still too expensive for them to deem worth it at the moment.
I do think we will see them at Sebring, super Sebring 2025
@@RoyaleDistrictSuper Sebring isn't a thing anymore sadly
Glickenhaus wanted to do it but IMSA decided they didn't want them!
@@p4olo537 IMSA has had a requirement for the number of cars a manufacturer must build and sell for years now well before the Glickenhaus was ever built. That's not on IMSA. That is on the Glickenhaus team thinking IMSA would bend the rules just for them.
@@p4olo537if you knew what you were saying, you'd know they need to produce 2.5k cars annualy
I don't see Risi as being the team that may eventually do this. In his interview, "the financial commitment" has talked about was sponsorship from outside parties, not his own money. The team doesn't even have the funds to run a full IMSA GT schedule. If there was sponsor money out there, they would be running a full schedule already. It may be AF Corse bringing over a customer entry, financed by sponsors, not the Ferrari factory or maybe someone like Prema using a customer car to break into GTP.
Doubt that Ferrari would be interested in a full season, but what if they 'lease' the 499P for one-off deals for specific races such as the 24H of Daytona or 12H of Sebring. But even then, I think Ferrari would be hesitant on that arrangement as well if one of the cars is rendered written off due to a crash. IMO once they've built enough 499P's they can sell the older cars to customers, which means that it's possible for 2025, but more likely it won't be until 2026 we'd see a Ferrari 499P in IMSA
Thanks FJ. I suspect that an LMH Ferrari, whether factory or customer, would leave the other GTP prototypes eating their dust. 😮
It'll be AF Corse, not Risi. They already field an LMP2 featuring all Ferrari factory drivers and Ferrari seems to want to keep everything close to them, hence them getting the independent hypercar in WEC, but it'd definitely make IMSA more interesting to see a 499P tearing it up at least at the Michelin Endurance Cup rounds
It's a shame that we have convergence yet no Hypercars/LMH cars come to race in the GTP class. Honestly, it seems like its a onesided relationship at the moment. I mean, the LMDh cars go over and mix it up with the WEC field all the time. Its just disappointing that we won't have any of the Hypercars coming over here until the Aston next season. Still love these new regs though, all of these cars are just so cool in their own way!
3:01 there are actually rumors of Lexus wanted to enter GTP with a rebadged Toyota GR010, and there is also a rumor about Peugeot bringing the 9X8 to GTP, albeit being rebadged to Dodge, which is a part of the Stellantis group the same as Peugeot.
Imsa is missing the 499P and GR010 !! Just those two cars alone added to the grid will make things spicier in GTP category
I hope they make it happen, same with Toyota, and other WEC hypercar runners. I know it's expensive but man it would be amazing to see.
I would at least love to see a Lexus LMDh for IMSA
Lexus LMDH, how, it's a Toyota basically
@@fqeagles21 a Lexus LMDH can be used for IMSA and they can keep the Toyota name in WEC.
I’m pretty sure the TRD president has said he would like to do a Lexus LMDH car in the past
@@ColonelWaffle you mean a completely new car or tebadged
@@fqeagles21 they could rebadge the Toyota or they could build a new car for Lexus.
Like how Honda would use Acura branding in F1 when they raced in the USA.
But I think it would be cool if we just had a completely new car on track. (Probably won’t but I can dream)
great video
Could glick team up with a car brand that sells more cars and just like badge their car as a whatever and race in gtp? Cus like hot take I think theyre better than most gtp teams
why do you think that?
@@fqeagles21 they have experience against Toyota who's 100% better than every imsa team. If they joined imsa I'd put them between Acura and porshe/Cadillac and miles above BMW and lambo
I think Ferrari and new Alpine LMDh would be great addition and competition to the GTP and IMSA
I would expect that FERRARI WILL NOT enter IMSA (as a factory team at least) BUT I COULD see them making their Prototype available to customers for them to enter IMSA with it.
Personally I would LOVE to see Ferrari entering & competing in IMSA (whether as a factory team or as a customer team). To see them racing against the likes of Porsche, Cadillac, etc would be truly awesome.
I hope Ferrari will field a team in GTP as the manufacture has always been one of the dominate competitors in the sport. Having ford in GT3 and Ferrari in GTP in IMSA can only make the competition better.
might be a stupid question, but do they have to built a new car or use the same car for both championships ?
LMH and LMDh are basically competing in the same class - it's just named differently in WEC (Hypercar) and IMSA (GTP). The condition for LMH cars to compete in IMSA is to build 2500 cars per year, which right off the bat excludes the more boutique LMH brands.
It would likely be a new car for Ferrari! For instance, Porsche has 2 sets of Penske cars competing in both championships. If they had the same car chassis competing in both championships simultaneously, brands like Ferrari or Porsche for example would have to miss events in either WEC or IMSA, plus it would be a pain for teams to change the BOP consistently.
I hope this answers your question!
It is possible we could see a Ferrari 499P in IMSA in the near future, I suppose. If it is a customer car, I agree. Talking about what you mentioned, Jonah, about Peugeot, Peugeot not being eligible, because they don't sell cars here in the states, Peugeot has not sold their cars stateside since the late '80s.
With the matter of Peugeot. I believe they are still eligible to race, because the rule spans across the majority of world and not just the US. Peugeot should be able to compete (if they wanted to) since they sell 2,500 road cars annually worldwide.
As for Ferrari, I would also hope to see a 499P in IMSA one day!
Thanks for watching the video!
@@FormulaJonah This is very true. They do sell many, many cars (Peugeot does) worldwide, just not in the United States. I agree completely, and hopefully we will see Ferrari in IMSA. It would add to the variety in the GTP class for sure.
@@FormulaJonah They need to sell in North America but even though Peugeot doesnt they technically could just rebadge the car as a Dodge as they are both under the Stellantis group. However Peugeot are going to start selling cars in Canada this year so depending on how many they sell they could still enter. But I would much prefer to see a Dodge GTP.
@@maxb148 So is Ferrari which, depending on how adding the rear wing goes, is probably a better car to borrow.
I would like both Toyota and Ferrari to join at least the endurance races at IMSA. It makes sense for Ferrari to win with the 499P the Big 3 endurance races in the world and the same applies to Toyota, a company that has a great prescence in the US market. But I don’t see Toyota Japan giving their product to a privateer, if they were to enter IMSA it would have to be a GR USA division controlled from Japan.
It would be good for business and by business, I mean racing across the board. Now if it were possible to get Ferrari relevant in Formula One again 🏎️
Any thoughts around Alpine running in IMSA?
I believe it’s possible to see Alpine join, even as soon as next year! They are eligible, but haven’t expressed a ton of interest in IMSA. However, with them selling cars in the US in 2027, and MSR rumored to make an IMSA return with them, it’s possible they could one day!
that would be cool but it will just be the endurance rounds. nothing new lol
They should. They need to take on Porsche and Caddy
i think Ferrari will come to IMSA but also I feel like Peugeot and Toyota need to come into IMSA I mean Formula Jonah did example why they won't come to IMSA but steal it would be cool if Peugeot and Toyota came to IMSA
Hopefully next year
Everyone wants to gloss over the fact that those in the know are saying that the 499P is a very difficult race car to run. As a Ferrari owner, I would love to see them here, but I believe the financial burden plus the difficulty in running the car is going to have to be overcome, and I don't believe it is up to Mr. Risi to bear the burdens.
Seria estupendo tenerla en IMSA
Toyota is also missing and no chatter about joining IMSA - other than GT3 as Lexus.
In the end it's all about money, the LMHs are very expensive and need serious financial backing, I hope Risi will find the sponsors to help her bring the car to IMSA
We need it to happen so we can get this thing on iracing
Ferrari should participate in IMSA along with other manufacturers . The competition will be tough and it will allow the manufacturers to learn a lot of things from the competition.
A factory Ferrari entry won't happen until they win WEC championship. Since they won at lemans last year and they win the championship this year, we could most definitely see them in IMSA the following year. They are going to want to dominate everything possible if they have the car to do so.
Damn, I really want to see Ferrari or Toyota join IMSA GTP.
What if, 499P runs by Risi Competizione
What if, GR010, badged as Lexus, become "GR F" or whatever.
What if Peugeot, become..... Dodge?
I cant be the only one who saw rommors about the 9x8 getting rebadged as a dodge to race in imsa
They should if they want to market more to the American market.
Touching on Peugeot, couldn’t Stellantis just rebrand it as a Dodge for IMSA only?
There are rumours that Alfa Romeo (another of Stellantis' brands) could join the Hypercar/GTP class and if Stellantis wants to enter in IMSA it will be through Alfa Romeo. Don't think Stellantis can just rebadge the 9X8 into one of its other brands just like that.
It would be nice to see Toyota rebadged as Lexus, Peugeot as a Stellantis brand, Acura as a Honda in WEC. Haha just want to see most brands possible
I sure do hope so, Go Ferrari 499p
You're forgetting one point with Peugeot, the brand is part of Stellantis who have brands who are sold in North America.
Good call. In Formula E Stellantis runs Maserati with DS powertrains. Stellantis could take the LMH Peugeot and rebrand it Maserati or Dodge or basically anything they have in portfolio in the US.
It’s true that Stellantis has brands that sell cars in America. But I’m not sure if Stellantis would want to rebadge the 9x8, especially considering that they are focusing on the WEC with Peugeot. Reports indicated that Alfa Romeo or Dodge could rebadge the car, but those rumors have gone quiet recently…
Peugeot don't sell cars in Japan, still they race at Fuji speedway in the WEC. Also, Toyota is the biggest car manufacturer in the world, so I think they the capabilities to race in America. Maybe they are scared to compete with Acura, or vice versa? :)
IMSA has a specific rule that a manufacture has to produce 2500 cars in North America to compete which Peugeot doesnt do, so thats why they dont race in IMSA. WEC has no rule about having to sell a certain number of cars they just need to be a manufacture of cars, so Peugeot not racing in IMSA is because they dont sell cars in North America not because it is pointless for them to race as they arent selling cars (if that makes sense)
hi jonah, it has been confirmed that during the rolex 24 weekend antonello coletta (chief of ferrari endurance program), had a chat with jim france and eddie cheever sr, regarding the possible management of a 499p in imsa. but was that only a simple chat? who knows, but as an italian fan i can say that could be awesome to se the 499p on the famous imsa locations against acura
They will only enter if there is a major sponsor bankrolling the program and even then it would be a privateer run effort. I have a feeling Ferrari are not interested in running 'factory cars' in any series that don't have world championship status. Also as we have yet to see an LMH car in IMSA. their BOP might be less favorable to the Ferrari than the WEC's. On the flipside, they have the capacity to build the cars though as they are building the track day spec 499M's, surely one or two of those could be built to P spec instead as customer cars.
I don't know why but I feel like the LMH cars are faster.
To both your questions : yes !
sadly, a lot of european brands seem to not really care about IMSA, imo completely unjustified
as mentioned in the video, Risi would like to put a Ferrari hypercar on the IMSA tracks ad the success with it is without doubt imo given the pace over in WEC alone, if Ferrari was smart, they would support Risi financially to represent Ferrari in IMSA, thus increasing the great awareness of the Ferrari brand further beyond european soil
I'd love to see Ferrari bring the 499P to the GTP class. Maybe it could bring Ford to the GTP class and make a V8-powered Prototype
They would, Alpine would, Toyota would if they had BALLS.
But that’s a topic the people aren’t ready for
I can see Toyota rebranding to Lexus for GTP and being run by Vasser Sulivan Racing
The 499p sounds fantastic every time it shifts.
Ferrari vs Ford vs Porsche versus Acura versus Toyota one day
Why not Toyota??
Not feasible . There are some supplying limitations in the market for some electric parts. Can,t say more ….
Couldn't Peugeot just brand as Dodge? Same parent company
I think It will join imsa in 2026 with two teams taking one car each.
We want a blue NART Ferrari
Prediction: The #62 Risi GT3 car will be champion in GTD Pro in 2024 and will move up to GTP in 2025 with a 499P.
Why the hell did I read Will Farrel joins imsa gtp. 😂 Ricky Bobby ready to go!
😂
If they decide they want Daytona
Pure speculation but but you got my view. Toyota would seem more likely
Toyota pretty much said a big NO to IMSA,wjy you think the opposite
No, they'll never come to America to race full time. But it would be great.
If Ferrari themselves don't want to, at least let someone like Risi Competizione do it
Given they already have a customer 499P in the WEC, they likely will if Risi Competizione is willing to take up the venture.
@@nickklavdianos5136tbh that cutstomer one is run by the same team that runs the factory ones
Pretty sure it actually also built on an lmp2 Dallara chassis
Dallara produce the chassis but it's a custom design from Ferrari. Cadillac and the BMW are using the Dallara designed chassis.
"Arn't" must be a new word..... but I'm sure you meant "Aren't".
Yes that was a mistake on the graphic. The word on the graphic was supposed to be spelled as “Aren’t” haha 😉
@@FormulaJonah I figured it was just a typo. Great channel though.
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Wait ✋️ so your telling me Ferrari and Lamborghini make 2400 cars per year... where 😂 ?
Indeed! I believe Ferrari and Lamborghini have sold enough cars to be eligible to race in GTP. In the US alone Ferrari sold over 4,900 road cars in 2023, and Lamborghini sold over 10,000 across the world in 2023.
All the lmh cars think they’re too good for IMSA or something? 😭
no,they just see the WEC as the priority in endurance racing then if there's possibility they would do IMSA too, to add IMSA is national WEC is international
glickenhaus and vanwall weren't good enough for WEC, let alone IMSA, and they don't produce cars anyway, so what are the chances?
peugeot doesn't sell cars in the US, once again we can rule them out
toyota are too busy screwing around in WEC, after all they've been there for a while now
isotta fraschini is yet to actually prove their worth, but not that they'd run on GTP anyway, would they?
that leaves us with aston martin and ferrari, while the former is guaranteed to run on GTP and Hypercar, ferrari is still considering their entry
THERES GOT TO BE ENOUGH RICH FOLK IN AMERICA TO SUPPORT A CUSTOMER RACE PROGRAM WITH FERRARI BACK UP SUPPORT
They will get smacked if they do, so they probably won’t
if only imsa would drop their number of car produced requirement then we pobably would have the glickenhaus and vanwall gtp on the grid but nope
keep dreaming toyota, ferrari and peugeot would join the gtp cause for them le mans > daytona
I don't trust either of the first two you mentioned to even come close to the other GTPs in terms of pace. Both of them consistently got destroyed by the rest of the Hypercar field in WEC, and even BMW is struggling to keep up with Cadillac, Acura, and Porsche despite having the best BoP out of all of them.
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Spelling mistake on my part! My bad
Nooooooooooo god no, please no!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
STOP STANDARDIZATION!!!!!!
NO because IMSA will BOP it to death
Agree pretty sure most LMH brands don't come in IMSA because they're pretty sure to have a bad BoP.
i agree but who knows
stop repeating the same facts over and over again...
Which facts would those be? I don’t hear him repeating facts…
I find it hard to believe there isn’t a privateer team in the GTP category in IMSA.
I think this is very strange.
There have been rumors about an interest from Risi, but I guess for now Ferrari doesn't want it.
would proton and jdc-miller count? i mean they're not technically the factory teams (that would go to penske)
If you are talking about the likes of Glickenhaus, Vanwall and Isotta, they dont meet the requirements of producing/selling 2500 cars in North America so arent able to race in IMSA. Glickenhaus did want to race in IMSA as it would have been alot cheaper than in WEC but they couldnt.
@@joaquingonzalez834 all customer team receiving full support from Porsche practically, but yes technically they are privateer
Thanks for the video.
BTW... "ARN'T" aren't a word. 🥸
Indeed. It was a spelling mistake that I didn’t catch in my editing rounds. It was supposed to be “aren’t” Thanks for watching though!