"You cannot seriously sit down with Putin anymore" - German diplomat Christoph Heusgen
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- Christoph Heusgen has worked in foreign policy for more than 40 years, has caused a stir with many an edgy word during his career as a diplomat. This year the 66-year-old took over the Munich Security Conference (MSC), a globally respected forum for foreign and security policy. For months, and not just in light of the Ukraine conflict, he has been calling for a united community of "states that enforce international law." Heusgen is considered one of Germany's most experienced and respected diplomats. Although he was late to serve formally as an ambassador, he has been politically active at the European level and in the United States, though never in Africa, Asia or Latin America.
Heusgen, a member of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), became active in foreign policy posts early in his career. From 1993 to 1997, he was deputy head of the minister's office for the then German Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel. From 1999 to 2005, he headed the Brussels office and political staff of Javier Solana, then High Representative for the EU's Common Foreign and Security Policy. After Angela Merkel's victory in the 2005 election, the new chancellor brought Heusgen, a Rhineland Catholic, into the chancellor's office as her foreign policy adviser. He was at the chancellor's side on virtually all of her foreign trips and has been excellently networked ever since. Occasionally, he traveled without her, but for her: When it emerged in the fall of 2013 that US intelligence agencies had wiretapped Merkel's phone, cooling transatlantic relations, Heusgen was part of the German delegation that sought clarification in Washington. Months before Merkel's fourth federal election victory in 2017, she had to let Heusgen go. The diplomat, who had already spent some time studying in the US in the 1980s and had worked at the German Consulate General in Chicago after 1983, now finally became an ambassador. For four years, he was Germany's permanent representative at the United Nations in New York. In April 2019 and July 2020, he presided over meetings of the UN Security Council, the top-level body to which Germany does not belong permanently but in which it wants to have a say. Here too, on occasion, he did not shy away from describing Russia's and China's blocking of UN aid deliveries to war-torn Syria as "cynical." Both expressed irritation at Germany's stance.
Heusgen is certainly thought of as a man of clear words, clearer than cross the lips of many other ambassadors. This has perhaps been all the more true since 2021, when he returned to Germany. Perhaps he has been so outspoken about the current conflict in Ukraine because he was involved in the difficult negotiations that led to the Minsk Agreement in 2014, which brought Ukraine, Russia and the separatists together but fell apart soon after.
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12:29
100% correct. We NEED to reduce our economic dependency on China!
Tell that to American people who love cheap stuff
YES, We need to learn from others...America did well without China 65 years ago, and I believe was even a better country.
Bring back industries from china, only then can the west do better
@@thongsayphommavong2000 We're getting closer to Mexico. Mexico was our number one trading partner in 2019. Mexico will probably be number one again within a year.
Businesses I realizing that authoritarian governments may not be the most stable country to have your business. chip manufacturers are moving back here and some manufacturing plants are moving to Mexico.
@@thongsayphommavong2000 Please tell me which people do not love cheap stuff.
" We thought Putin would not dare to enter Ukraine ". How wrong they are!.
Now they're saying " Putin will not dare to use nuclear weapons ". I hope they're right this time.
Well keep poking Russia further... By escalating the conflict. You will surely find out. 😉
THE WORLD CAN’T TRUST CHINA or RUSSIA! They are pariahs and seek to conquer others.
That’s definitely what Putin wants you to think. We can’t be responsible for what Russia does, that’s up to them, and they must be held responsible.
@@ebrim5013 Putin has to be made to believe that there will be massive retaliation if he uses nuclear weapons. He has threatened anyone who he considers to be interfering in his "Special Operation" with devastating retaliation. It seems that Putin has lost touch with reality and it maybe better to ensure that the Russian Government, i.e. those around Putin realise the danger that madman is putting his country in.
@@ebrim5013 And then what the whole world gets blown to bits? We have no means to hold Russia accountable. There are limits to western power.
This is how a serious interview is conducted. Respectful but probing questions, thoughtful and informative answers. Thank you both.
If only all journalism was of this calibre, great discussion
I"m just so glad I found DW News. I live in Canada and while I love my country, I'm left wondering why can't we have news like this: balanced; insightful; thoughtful; humane. Thank you.
@@janb3625 Thanks. I'm curious, though: why do you frame your question this way? There are, always, victims on birth sides. Do you mean to say you don't like that they don't, specifically, call-out Russia?
@@janb3625 Nothing is perfect. Why not bring your contradictory sources to the table?
@@nbenjamin7752 I'm not deaf; and, quite frankly, if this is how Putin is to act then what's your purpose with keeping him in?
@@nbenjamin7752 Also, since you appear to be 'in the know,' what do you think is, actually, going on?
@@nbenjamin7752 Ok. Happy Trolling.
Great insightful interview. No nonsense, both questions and answers. Can we have more of these please?
DW and The Guardian. Though The Guardian is starting to feel a little sketchy to me as of late. Maybe I'm imagining things, that's not too hard lately, either.
They have been wrong about *everything* from the beginning. And its because they're high on sniffing their own farts and didn't take Russia seriously. Now, they're doubling down for the 5th time in a row, on their 100% wrong initial assessment.
@@blakena4907 It seems they are having financial issues
Maria Divine Mercy is God's End Time Prophet (Book of Truth/7th Angel): The West will provoke a reaction from Russia and China... all will end in a World War, and Nuclear bombs will be used but the Great War will be short.
@@michaels3811 only thing "The West" has not done anything to provoke such a massacre in the Ukraine, neither have the Ukrainian people.
Great interview. The interviewer and interviewee were both at the highest levels.
No-one ever wanted to sit down with him long before the war. So these are just pathetic excuses that are not convincing at all.
Putin offered peace and security talks repeatedly, but he was ignored and weapons were pumped into UKRAINE at the same time.
So who really wanted this war more? Time to look in the mirror!
This guy is straight up , no fluffy stuff just facts, He's good.
He was Merkels adviser for many years.
He is not good, he is sly. Notice how he pinpoint Putin as the main culprit in this whole crisis, not Russia and not the Russian people. So possibly when the US and Nato have weakened the Russian economy considerably the Russian people will suffer and will revolt against Putin and bring Russia to the West's knees. Then they will move on to China and play up the Taiwan issue and if China attacks they will do the same thing and try to bring Xi down. Key target is to paint a picture that these 2 countries "aggression" is because of one man, one dictator. No buddy they don't work that way. He also made a veil warning to Africa, South America and India to toe the "international order line" aka the Western world order line. This is what the Western countries have been doing for the past 500 years of colonialism. I think the world has enough of "white power" . It's time to change the world order.
To me he is a simpleton or a propagandist for Pentagon
This interview is a lesson to American Politicians answering direct and concise to questions
You must be referring to the Democrats?
to ANY politicians
@@boarhog1979 how can you be this insufferable
This guy is not a politician though. He is a diplomat. And a pretty good one at that. So his job isn't to lie to his citizens but to negotiate with other diplomats and talk and listen to insufferable politicians.
@@stu7846 I can't change the facts. Have you listened to congress lately? I know the facts hurt but this is reality
"We shouldn't try to humiliate Putin..." While I get their concern, Putin's humiliating himself, on his own, he doesn't need anyone's help, he's doing a grand job!
I honestly don't understand why Putin did this. This was an absolute disaster for Russia (also Ukraine btw) and a huge blunder in geopolitics.
The aspect here is the "Golden Bridge" idea, given to the opponent to walk off, in lieu of prolonged and for both sides destructive conflict. We can call Putin, Lavrov names, but the politicians should not corner him into a situation without exit. This can only lead to a tragedy, which we now witness. What exactly is now the expected end of the war? Both sides seems to be now driven into a situation without a compromise possible.
@@Aditya-vt3tv He doesn’t get anything out of this. Most important infrastructure and resources are already destroyed. If he does try to make a puppet regime then they will have to deal with the backlash of Ukraine civilians and it will take years to build it back to normal and by then Putin can be out of power or Russia won’t be a economic power house anymore due to the effects of sanctions
@@Aditya-vt3tv You obviously are seeing things from a western liberal point of view only. Just like Nato thinks.
@@ThomasHalways There is no compromise possible. The abuser has to cease the abuse and return home.
There is no scenario where we accept just a little bit of abuse, just to keep the abuser briefly appeased.
Excellent interview with the high standards of DW, as usual! Watching from Brazil.
No-one ever wanted to sit down with him long before the war. So these are just pathetic excuses that are not convincing at all.
Putin offered peace and security talks repeatedly, but he was ignored and weapons were pumped into UKRAINE at the same time.🙄
So who really wanted this war more? Time to look in the mirror!
Well done!
I agree with the sentiment that there is no reason to sit down with the unreasonable.
Perhaps because you don't seem to question anything you are fed. Why did the Creator give us brains, it not to think for ourselves?
US and the West underestimate Putin's resolve, and Putin underestimate Ukraine's resolve. Every one should not underestimate the global economic damage nor the destructive military escalation that this can lead to. The world need more capable and saner leaders, who are not blinded by hubris and huge ego!
Yes.
So Russia should cease its imperialist expansion.
Putins only advantage is not caring if all his people die that's a price he's more than willing to pay for prestige and legacy. He's old and doesn't have much to lose Ukraine will only be the first not the last.
I don't think Russia is to be feared anymore. They're a lot weaker power than the world used to believe. This is the right time to put enough pressure on Russia so it learns to behave. Putin's fall from power and no further dictatorial democracy in Russia are the two most important factors based on which their future relationship with the west will be achieved. I think if Russia does enough, the west may just give them another chance for friendship after several years from now ofc when things have normalized and Russia is not hostile anymore.
Absolutely
What Ukraine resolve? You mean the resolve of the puppet President and the resolve of the west and nato to send more weapons. More weapons = more dead Ukrainians. And then the west complains of that too.
Thank you for this interview. You asked questions I have been waiting to hear. Although he was diplomatic, he was very clear that a deep betrayal took place that will not be quickly forgotten. Everything will change. Praying for a transition with clear heads and steady leadership to a new generation of peace and prosperity in Europe and Russia with a free Ukraine. Thank you for your great channel.
Well said.
The Wrath of the LORD of hosts is coming!
Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
Isaiah 9:15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.
Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.
well said my friend. Thank you
Agree with consensus on here. Great questions, informative answers. No grandstanding, no evasion, searingly honest. I wish all journalists and all politicians communicated in this way.
This is the second absolutely wonderful segment from DW that I have watched in as many days. It seems that DW is now going to be part of my daily routine. Thank you!
Yes, France 24 Debate is excellent as well.
Like so many other disastrous things, the title wording is something all world leaders should have known with 100% certainty by 2007. Even in 2003 there’s multiple reasons that red flags should have been going off...
O we noticed, and took advantage of the situation by buying people. Theres a reason why Zelensky has an off shore bank account with BILLIONS in it, taken from his own country, via us funds. Yet, here’s another $33 billion Z, and the very next week, ok, here’s another $40 billion! (Last 2 weeks), Hundreds of billions of us taxpayer money has gone to Ukraine in 8 years. We continue to throw money at a corrupt govt, expecting different results. Saving Democracy?! Not even close!! We are all being fooled, and entering a world wide conflict, while they tell us we are “Saving Democracy” for “Security” of the whole world. Lack of security will be the result of this money pit in Ukraine.
Well somebody could have had a bad feeling when the FSB bombed Putin to power and he started the 10 year war…
"But there were many Dollars to make!"
My cynic counterpoint to this topic should lead to think about who's leading us of whoms behalf and why! Think about that!
I mean 2014 was a bottom line but EU feared Russia and believed they would roll out like a strong army but now that this myth has been shattered by Vladimir Putin himself EU will be more brave on acting however their dependence with criminal on issues of gass oil and other things will make them hesitate to make decisive decisions.
US the instigator for nato expanding toward Russia causing war
Clarity, integrity, honesty, simplicity - Thank You
You forgot lies, lies. and lies.
@@dennisbrock1435 Why do Russians lie incessantly?
Christoph Heusgen a true voice of reason, just what we need at this time some level headed thinking.
Fascinating to see the brainwashed worshipping at the altar of Deceit.
6:00 No. Russia was NOT granted a permanent veto and seat on the UN Security Council. That permanent seat and veto was granted to The Soviet Union. The UN can, and should, revise who inherits the USSR seat. I vote for Ukraine.
2:30 "Macron says we must not humiliate Russia"
Watch the response : exasperation.
Everyone is exasperated with Macron's cowardice, appeasement, and collaboration.
Nothing new... Remember Petain and Vichy.... just repeat of history... Macron possible do not read wide enough...
I like Macron, he's always a very pleasant person and I,m glad he's still in Government. However, he always strikes me as being very inexperienced when it comes to dealing with other world leaders. He always looks as if his friendship to them is all about getting something back. You have the talent, Mr Macron, you don't need to try so hard!
Cowardice. Ok mate. You go and fight. A world war probably means a draft. Unless you are prepared to personally fight, you should not be trying to talk tough.
So, are you going to fight and die for tge cause? Perhaps it would be better to leave him a way put of this war.
they should humiliate Russia. It should be made clear that Russia will be finished as a country such that they can never threaten neighbours again.....and there should be a mass campaign to inform Russian people that their government is to blame and are the enemy
@Marty Benbrick 14,000 Donbas citizens are dead because Kyiv did not respect the wishes of the people there.
Russia is simply reacting to the threats that Victoria Neulands War presented.....
This is the actual truth. No pretending.
Great interview.
puppet interview
@@jamesmurphy9426 actually you are a Russian puppet. I have seen your comments elsewhere.. all pro Russian.
@@jasonhart9880 whatever I believe what I am told why not look at the situation from a different perspective
Michael Hudson is a good start or the new Atlas
DW got banned in Russia. That’s how you know it has to be good.
@@jamesmurphy9426 🤡
I think this gentleman from Germany that just was interviewed by the young lady. This gentleman should run for president of Germany he seems to have a good view of what’s going on in the world and what’s gonna happen. And he seems to have a clear understanding of what to do when where and how. He’s very candid clearheaded in response to the situation what’s needed. I like this guy. Citizens of the World
Pretty bias
People overseas actually answer questions in interviews....and this is an excellent interview. Not one pol. in America can answer a question with out sliding over to a rehearsed written talking point...it's insulting and its like watching a daytime soap opera...scripted drama and b.s. That's why I watch intnatl. news stations now...I can't STAND listening to American politicians...they can't think for themselves, and they're lying weasels.
This guy should run for President in the US. He’s got all the talking points memorized.
He is very good with avoiding accountability. A lot of the things he said were true, but several were absolutely not. This IS a continuation of the east Vs west conflict ....it never truly ended. Not in Putin's mind. He has been preparing for this for a very long time and the signs and red flags were extremely obvious, but politicians like this man interviewed here preferred to pretend everything was fine because it was beneficial to take Russia's oil and gas. He is absolutely culpable. He didn't just misjudge Putin, he willfully ignored the signs of Putin's intent, thinking it would just be someone else's problem further on in time.
Germany seems to be the adult voice in the world. No angry response, no blame or taking sides. We need world peace to survive, and we all need the same thing to achieve that. Great interview.!
Really? Why didn't these "adult" HYPOCRITES use their voice to protest the US coup in Ukraine, and the murder of the citizens of Ukraine in the Donbass region for eight years? The EU and the world were SILENT. HYPOCRITES.
Except they along with France were selling arms to Russia despite an EU ban following the annexation of Crimea.
Very well spoken - I admire his honest response which shows that Germany respects humanity 💪💯👌👍
You never could sit down with Putin. He's in his own, power-intoxicated World.
Not only Poutine. Biden, Macron, Olaf Shcolz too. But the "double standards" of the West blinded you
Finally! A long awaited conclusion - there is no point in talking to Putin as he does not keep any agreement. Putin understands only the language of force.
I thought Trump was going to jail has your justice been bought?
@@johntruman4397 Democrats in Congress do whatever they can to achieve at least “neutralization” of t.
Finally, I hear someone who is really serious and understands the breach of trust by putin. We can NOT deal with russia until putin is gone! Thank you Sir, thank you Mr. Christoph Heusgen.
We can not deal with the wolf in sheeps clothing i.e. the USA and nato
Bs. You’re the breach of trust. Stop seeking world domination & trying to steal everyone else’s wealth & territory. Leave Russia alone. There are no problems until you conjure them up to satisfy your greed.
Putin is Russia's Trump, like it or not it's their "Make Russia Great Again".
@@dunno558 Who's the wolf in all this?
You don't understand do you. You are not anybody to even "deal with someone" Those days are over. Now they are dealing with you. Putin has 80% approval. After your sanctions the population loves Putin. The west thinks this is old times where they could go and colonize china or india. Deal with putin? haha how does a bunch of puppy's deal with a big pissed dog, tell me.
Excellent interview.
Wow! Beautiful dialogue, Good will and prosperity be with you. You speak English better than our own politicians !
Generic copy and past comment.
@@Fusion991 Illiterate copy and past reply
Thank you for posting your coverage and interviews to TH-cam! Very thoughtful discussion from a well-informed perspective.
Totaly professional interview between grown ups, totally opposite to an interview on American TV....
100% correct intelegent man great interviewer
He is lying - you get that, right?
@@AsselParty lying about what exactly?.. it feels like you're lying.
@@ratioxcmcsa263 Don‘t expect an answer.
@@AsselParty Only the Ruzzians=Z lie, we all know that, The worlds new naZis=Z, "we are not going to invade Ukraine we are just playing at soldiers on the boarder" Ass(i am reluctant to put hole) you have no leg to stand on.
@@harrydehnhardt5092 yea i figured..Lol
We should not humiliate Putin. Ok. But how do you stop him from humiliating himself?
He was willing to use force to invade and impose himself in another sovereign country.
He is no discovering he is not capable of that, why he should he be entitled to not be humiliated?
We should get rid of war mongering western leaders and oligarchs...like this dude. We need revolutions
To stop him from humiliating himself you should stop expanding NATO.
@@anteeko Humiliation is irrelevant. He needs to be defeated and driving him out of Ukraine is not enough.mmwe need a surrender and on top of sanctions, war reparations.
The same way America has been humiliating themselves.
Wonderful interview. Thank you. One observation. I hope that German diplomats will also take into account our experience in the countries of Central Europe and take us seriously. We knew what Russia was capable of and we warned our allies years ago. Nord Stream 2 is just one example.
It really is not easy because Russia has been putting out there that they were the victims and have been playing the victim card since WW2. That won't work anymore.
You know when I was first married my wife did the same thing as she suffered mental illness and it was very hard to get anywhere. Putin has always suffered mental illness and paranoia and when a person is as eloquent as Putin is, it can be challenging to focus on the real facts and not let yourself get manipulated. MUCH EASIER SAID THAN DONE!!!
That's completely true, I remember Germans saying before the war that Polish were "Russophobic", just because they didn't ever care to get the facts regarding the conflicts between Poland and Russia, taking Russia by their face value.
Still, it is not only that. German governments for the last 20 years have been naive. It doesn't make any sense to deepen any country's dependency with a military superpower to a degree where they could force a collapse of their economy. Germany is really lucky because Russia's "war chest" was mostly seized, so that they are as dependent of German money as Germany is dependent of Russian gas and oil. But, if the Russians had managed to get their war chest afloat, Germany could be now facing its biggest recession since WWII.
@@itisabird Germans learned. Russians don't and didn't. Russians also seem intent to accept their "fate".
Eastern (Central) Europe only exists because Gorbatchev released all these countries into independence without even putting up a fight. You got it way easier than most British, French and Dutch colonies! The Soviet Russians only insisted on the same communism, which they enforced on themselves. So no racism, slavery or discriminative practices either. Ask survivors of Auschwitz about their experience with Germans and Russians. And maybe you’ll understand that Russians aren’t worse than other people.
@@jansix4287 Eastern Europe is not and was not a russian colony. Your exemple is horrible.
Gorbachev "released" Eastern Europe because the Soviet union couldn't keep them anymore. The Soviet union was broke beyond broke. And the Soviet union was broke because the United States of America defeated it.
The biggest and the most fatal mistake the Soviet union made was to confront the USA frontally and engage on a global power tussle with the USA. Something 3rd world russia's Putin prematurely started again about 13 years ago.
"Trump would be even tougher on Russia." Hahaha, hahaha, ROFL
Yes, DJT thinks Putin's a genius, his own words.
After the first chemical attack in Syria, Obama did not bomb Russians there. After another chemical attack later, when Trump was the president, he did bomb them.
Putin is Trump's best government leader friend in the world. Trump would have done absolutely nothing.
For TDS afflicted, a short trip down memory lane:
The "Russian reset" was an attempt by the Obama administration to improve relations between the United States and Russia in 2009-13.
At the 2015 Munich Security Conference, Vice President Biden specified the substantive progress:
"""once we pressed that reset button in 2009, between then and 2012, we achieved a great deal in cooperation with Russia to advance our mutual interests and I would argue the interests of Europe -- the New START Treaty that reduced our strategic nuclear arsenal by one-third; a vital supply route for coalition troops in and out of Afghanistan; at the United Nations Security Council, resolutions that pressured North Korea and Iran and made possible serious nuclear discussions in Tehran, which continue as I speak.
All of us, we all invested in a type of Russia we hoped -- and still hope -- will emerge one day: a Russia integrated into the world economy; more prosperous, more invested in the international order.
"""
Donnie would make "very very great deals" with his friend Putin by selling ukraine. Have fun.
One of the best interviews Ive seen since this horrible war escalated.
Yes,full of lias from a American slave
Putin go to hospital you have bicke problem what wrong with you to killed people of Ukraine
Iraq, Afghanistan, yemen, libya are all horrible. All part of CIA criminal behavior.
@@brucesmith3740 Yes. All wars are horrible. Period. Killing is not the answer to any conflict
The finest hour of Cancel Culture ...
I’m learning German, but danke schön to the German journalist, the German diplomat, and DW for this interview in English. It is discussing an important topic about global security and, at this time, doing so in English allows the furthest reach
English is no longer pegged to anglo saxonic culture and influence. It is the language of the world. We all should learn and speak English. Hopefully in 100 years time we may achieve this.
@vvolf belorven DW news has another channel for learning German, in case you didn't know that. it's called "Deutsch lernen mit der DW", may be helpful.
@@bmac8322 Thank you! I did not know that. It will come in handy as I have been trying to learn German.
@@bmac8322 Yeah, I’m already subscribed. Thanks
@@FNDMA China and Russia are going to throw.that down the toilet.
As an American I love DW as an escape from our politically toxic domestic media. Thank you for the English language news. Much appreciated.
Our media only taking one side instead of balance out.
You think trump would have been tougher? Well it sounds like you also thought Russia wouldn’t invade…after they sat on the edge of Ukraine for how long?
Putin is Trump's best government leader friend in the world. Trump would have done absolutely nothing.
Russia was not a founding member of UN. USSR was - not Russia. The world and UN must act accordingly.
By the way, Ukraine was a founding member of UN.
100% agree. Putler should stop riding on Soviet coat tails. He's just a bandit wannabe Romanov,
An interesting point. Its former republics don't have the power to veto and what percent of the Soviet 'Union' would they constitute? Add in the Warsaw 'Pact' countries...
True, but missing the point he made. The UN without Russia and China won't be able to function as a world body.
Like it or not, Russia has >5,000 nukes and tries to build an autocrats charter where big countries can bully their neighbours.
@@davidnoelfranks1124 Sure thing BOY.
Russia is the legal continuation of the USSR. None of the other members.
Was Russia a founder member of UN or was USSR? Why is then Russia the only USSR republic still in the Security Council? Why isn't Ukraine which was part of the former USSR?
Because a permanent seat in UN security council with veto was given to the victorious powers of WW2 not to founding members.
Stalin argued that USSR was many states not 1, the US said "we have 50 states" so Stalin settled for 3 seats, which became insignificant as 200 countries joined the UN.
USSR Ukraine and Belarus were merely puppets of USSR not independent voting members
Ukraine was one of the founding members of the United Nations when it joined in 1945 as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic; along with the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, Ukraine signed the United Nations Charter when it was part of the Soviet Union. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the newly independent Ukraine retained its full membership.
“Thought”? Bro, since when politicians and diplomats became philosophers?
Great Interview
Its good to see logic and broader view in politics. "Balance" is surely the key for most of world's trouble. We have seen it over and over again when an individual, organization or a country gains much wealth /power, it corrupts them. That needs to be prevented.
That's something that has plagues civilization, since the beginning.
NATO has expanded since WW2 closer and closer to Russia I think the aggressor here is clear
And then how do you stand on the self-image of the U.S., or does your call only apply to everyone else?
I Agree. The "Western World" (always called "The World" in meedja) is completely delusional, full of itself, sick to the core - even its advantage, the rule of law, has been thrown overboard now - and is a clear and present menace to mankind. Balance is needed. Sorely.
Yeah? Start with America then.
"Russia" is not a "founding member"; the Soviet Union was.
The more interesting point is that there was a precedent for kicking a country out of the security council: Taiwan used to be on it, but then mainland China got their seat.
@ Matthias Gorgens - wow what a nugget of information that is I did not realize that about Taiwan somehow being forced off its seat on the security Council and replaced with China. What kind of maneuvering that was? thanks for the heads up
Russia inherits Soviet political positions
@@Spearca That would require someone not to VETO it wich Russia would do. It only happend because the US didnt use its Veto power
Very insightful interview. Great to see two people at the top of their game.
Putin: of course you can’t sit down with me. I expect you to kneel on your knees 😂
Very intelligent very interesting , Keep moving forwards with what's right ✅
Unlikely, he's German.
@@royjacobs1204 What? Take that back! Why I oughta.....
An excellent interview, well informed questions and clear direct answers.
I’m really critical of everyone, but I have to agree
True.
Maria Divine Mercy is God's End Time Prophet (Book of Truth/7th Angel): The West will provoke a reaction from Russia and China... all will end in a World War, and Nuclear bombs will be used but the Great War will be short.
Vorbildliches Interview. Kluge und wichtige Fragen und Hr. Heusgen kann ausreden und erläutern ohne unterbrochen zu werden. Im Gegensatz zu Sendungen wie bei „Lanz“ oder“Illner“. Die Antworten von Hr. Heusgen sind sehr aufschlussreich und geben gute Hintergrundinformationen. Vielen Dank
Excellent interview and sooooh great to see Germany stranding strongly on our side. 🇬🇧 🇩🇪...🇺🇦
I cant belive there are politics in euorpe still treating putin as a partenr. scary
Putin is great. It is the west and specially US which is the problem for the world. Only the west care about Ukraine. The rest of the world doesn't care one bit.
There is no room for pride in politics. Especially in the 21st century. You can't say "never". I mean, you can, but if your politics doesn't have the alternative - it's bad politics.
Putin won’t be around much longer
@@GreenAppelPie Longer than Biden for sure.
@@ABanRocks ok troll
The question of humiliating Putin should only be directed at Putin himself. He is the one humiliating himself, so how far he wants to go in that direction is up to him. It's like self-flagellation or self-pleasurement - if he loves it then it's up to him to decide when he wants to stop.
He can win the war in 1 day with Nukes. You know that and I know that. No one will create a nuclear war over Ukraine. NATO is forcing Russia to go that far. It is NATO which is the issue.
There is a saying. "If you are in a hole, stop digging..."
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👍 here here
@@ABanRocks no one can win the war with nukes. We all lose, MAD mutual assured destruction. The West is super ready for that. Putin just needs to push the button instead of talking and warning like a demented babushka
What's the point of having a UN Security Council if one of the member countries can just veto? It defeats the purpose.
He is very honest and he
Feels what he says!! Great questions!!
An intelligent interview giving us perspective on Putin action. There is no more peace on putin mind only aggresion
Maybe it will help to give Russia an easy way out that won't make them look any worse than they already do. I'd love to punish Russia severely, but it's also really important not to kill any more Ukrainian people.
You are brainwashed
Well he just asked nato to stop expanding on his border. What was so hard in not expanding it? Who is the agressor on thst case. This could have been avoided
@@OverlebThe NATO does not expand by itself. The countries who join NATO are afraid of Russia. It is very very simple.
@@Overleb why should Putin be the one to decide who can join Nato? He is an agressor, who annexed Crimea, and that's why Ukraine and other countries want to join.
God has mercy on those affected.
Peace be with you in your hearts.
Which con
Meaningless. Russia says exactly the same thing. "God is on our side." "NO! God is on OUR side!!"
Buenos días, be4, está bien, solamente que me avisa cuando ya viene, por favor.
Jesus not a fan Comedians Amem
@@dungnguyen-vx2sc Are you referring to Zelensky? Lol, he's much more highly qualified than Putin! He has a degree in law, Putin a diploma in penpushing. Putin was relegated to a dismal post in Dresden where his career as a low level KGB official was carried out.
In the end though, who cares about qualifications? Zelensky is the absolute opposite of Putin. Zelensky is educated, close to his people, a family man and a humanist. If you prefer a despot then favour Putin. As for Jesus, I admire people's blind faith in these religious narratives, but I believe in Good not God.
Outstanding interview! Measured, concise and specific to the matter at issue. With regard to future relations or rather reintegration of the international community with Russia, I agree with the Gentleman that at present there is no discernable path to that objective, if that is indeed the ultimate objective. The European communities cannot simply ignore Russia, nor can they be isolated indefinitely, which means that the community, through the UN, must create a planning group, to include the Russian diaspora, tasked with working on this incredibly difficult problem of future reconciliation and reintegration. I also agree, wholeheartedly, that until Russia abandons it's campaign in Ukraine or suffers a defeat and withdraws it's forces or in the rare case that Putin steps down or is removed, no legitimate progress can be achieved. We have all seen the peace of the continent and of all the formal agreements and treaties turned to ashes in the mouths of us all. We have all seen the brutal nature of Putin's war on the citizens of Ukraine and recognize that peace and security for the whole of Europe hangs in the balance.
No-one ever wanted to sit down with him long before the war. So these are just pathetic excuses that are not convincing at all.
Putin offered peace and security talks repeatedly, but he was ignored and weapons were pumped into UKRAINE at the same time.🙄
So who really wanted this war more? Time to look in the mirror!
Great interview and all credit to this man for being so open and honest. He is spot on 👏🏽
Awesome interview and very informative. Thank you!
Well said Christoph 💪🏻✌🏻
Mr Heisgen. With respect, the seat on the UN Security Council was given to the USSR, not to Russia. One of the things the other UNSC should be exploring with utmost vigour is how Russia ended up holding that seat (as opposed to Ukraine or any of the other former Republics) and if there are any avenues for walking that back.
If not, simply disband the Security Council and reform it without Russia. Better still just use the General Assembly to do that job. The Security Council is not worth preserving when five members have vetoes, Russia among them.
The way Russia has been using its veto at every turn since annexing Crimea and invading eastern Ukraine originally in 2014 provides ample reason to disband the UNSC. It simple cannot, and does not work, in its present format - clearly.
It would be interesting to see a tally of the number of times the permanent members have used their veto since the formation of the UN, that is individually, of course, not in total.
This gentleman is so well spoken. Pleasure listening to him. He knows putin is impossible to deal with. He hit the nail on the head. Thank God for people like him. 👍
Outstanding interview. Clear and concise assessment of the importance of upholding the international rule and laws enshrined in the UN Charter to protect sovereign states from unprovoked illegal genocidal invasions.
Don't seem to apply to Usa NEVER
Yes, depending on China for economy is another naive policy. I am glad that the European council stopped the Europe-China trade agreement last year.
Good interview
Unfortunately, there are 63 Republicans in the House of Representatives who will not support Ukraine, if the Republicans take control of the House again. These are the 63 who just recently voted against supporting NATO.
I'm so glad he mentioned the US and Iraq. I often see the reporting out of Ukraine and wonder that Iraq never got that sympathy or assistance or even compassionate reporting when they were suffering the same horrors.
those internal squabbles for POWER are of NO GOOD now isnt it ?
THATS WHY !
millenia of CONSTANT squabbles...and now you guys seek UNDERSTANDING :( thats not fair WE ARE RISKING with our food taken from our childrens MOUTH
He pretends that NATO stands for peace when in reality, NATO aided the U.S. to invade IRAQ, SYRIA, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, and some other countries, turning a blind eye on the "International Rules-based Order" that he advocates. What's sort of "International Rules-based Order" is he talking about? Is that not Double Standards, and Hypocrisy ?
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Russia was also activ in Afghanistan, Syria and Lybia.
And Iraq was condemned as illegal. So what are you talking about?
Yes, Russia, at some point could be, at some point, associated with, again, under certain conditions, but not with Putin. Putin can never again be "sat down" with except only to negotiate the end to his war. After that, that's it.
Putin created a new political establishment, even if Putin is gone, Russia is going to continue with Putinism.
Two month of war (and eight years of armed conflict for the Ukraine) it took, to finally come to that inevitable conclusion. He used "other" methods of liquidation before that. But they were always appeasing him, for the sake of cheap fossil energy supply, instead of preparing for the worst.
A very humble and good dialouge,thank you
The diplomat does not provide insight for the question "what should we do", and is very vague for answering the question "what have we done". He only provides moral statements, without any ground except the good opinion he has of himself and the people he represents. He needs to be more realist.
Even though it's a great interview 🙄
Where is the cheapest gas? LMAO. Perfect example of confusing cost with price. Very foolish and short sighted. They were warned, they could have off-ramped
Very good interview. I was surprised to learn that Germany doesn't already have a security council in place.
Because they got control by Uncle Sam or else..Europeans got screw big time. No energy or food on the table for their kids..
OMG
Very straightforward explanation. This is what we need more of, no more media opinion, more explanation from the experts.
Dissolve UN and start new group who follow the rules, without Veto
The question now is how many countries can russia be divided into when this is over.
I'm thinking the same thing. something has to change drastically.
Yes, the only way to fix Russia is to break it first, the way Germany and Japan were broken in WW2. It allowed their society and political structure to be remade into liberal democracies that eschewed war and expansionism.
This will never happen in Russia so long as corrupt dictators are allowed to hide among their ranks.
Russia never stopped being an authoritarian dictatorship, it just pretended to.
Until it didn't.
None lol. Russians will rather go on a nuclear war if threatened with division. It's important to put pressure on Russia and force it to behave and at the same time not humiliate them.
99,9% of people in Russia would laugh at your comment and the sheer stupidity of it. You're so detached from reality it's scary.
Strange to hear that you cannot sit down with someone that breaks every agreement. China has been doing that for years, almost as if it were in their constitution, and yet people keep talking and negotiating with them. I guess it must have to do with how much profit is at stake.
Very enjoyable listening....and very educational too.!!
A very intelligent and logical man. Best clip I've seen on DW.
Christophe Heusgen, you have explained the situation very clearly. I agree with what you said. Russia helps to endorse rules and policies but do not adhere to them. That is very bad. Russia does not live by example and this causes chaos.
@@davidnoelfranks1124 Whataboutism. Troll.
@@davidnoelfranks1124 very poor comparisons. mexico would make more sense.
@@hello.itsme.5635 do u mean only us and europe can violate the law and not russia??
Ukraine gave away its nuclear weapons and Russia's guarantee that it'll respect their sovereignty. Then in 2021. Zelensky said that the Ukraine is considering to equip itself with nuclear weapons. Nothing happens without a reason.
@@Bee.Holder ukraines nuclear weapons are nothing without russia,russia is the succesor of ussr,thats why its a permanent member of un security council,russians owned all soviet debt they paid all of it not the other former soviet countries
You never thought Putin would invade Ukraine? Hello, Crimea? You have GOT to be kidding me.
Thank you Mr Heusgen, you seem very intelligent and level headed. Would you consider moving to America and running for office?
Good Questions by the host !!!!!
Very well said, Diplomat Christoph Heusgen.
Gut gesagt.
This interview was excellent. The interviewee is important.
Now that WAS a cracking good interview. Wow. Good questions and good replies.
By the 9-10 minute time stamp I started to get tired of the diplomatic rhetoric. While people talk about what they can’t do, I would like to hear what can, decisively, be done.
People are dying needlessly in the interim.
He - mr. C.Heusgen - put it right where it belongs - no nonsens talk - but square and fair - also about China - !!!!!
Not satisfied with how he answered the question regarding what measures was taken when deciding on importing gas from Russia as nuclear plants and coal was to be limited and stopped. He basically only said that Germany looked for where it was cheap and bought it there. Was it really no risk analysis taking place? Also he says that there should be a security council handling this. This sounds just so strange. He himself have this very long experience, and Germany is a highly developed country. Why can't we receive a more clear picture of how the thinking process was, and what was the deciding factor to allow being this dependent on (basically) a dictator? It's totally ridicules where Germany has allowed to happen. Ukraine now has to take the consequence of Germany pumping in all that money into Russia to finance the war, because of this bad or non existing risk evaluation. As well as letting the lobbyists for so called green energy totally take over without regards to other safety measures. This is just terrible!
Very good discussion.
He violates those things because he know nothing is going to happen to him lol
@@davidnoelfranks1124 Putin of course. You know, the one currently destroying Ukrainian cities and killing Ukrainian citizens.
Re Trump, the one thing you can say with 100% certainty is that he's mercurial. Many people find this quality endearing but I note this means bi-partisan unity in the matter of Ukraine cannot be guaranteed with any certainty if he's re-elected.
Putin took Crimea under Obama. Now he’s trying to take Ukraine under Biden.
He didn’t take anything under Trump. Trump also placed sanctions on Nordstream 2, which Biden lifted.
and by the same token , Putin thought that NATO won't expand right to the front porch of Russia
Do you think that European countries especially NATO does not contribute to Russian aggressiveness?
Very impressive interview. For the last couple of weeks DW is becoming a very important media channel.
Weeks?!
That’s harsh 🐱
@ travelwell - weeks? Harsh? How do you really mean that? can't tell if that's a good or bad thought or statement
That was well worth listening to !
Great interview! Thank you.
Great conversation and information