Big Heavy Sailboats Are Bad - Ep 255 - Lady K Sailing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- This week we discuss big heavy sailboats for sailing the Bahamas and Caribbean, living on a sailboat, and why while they hold their value and can sail oceans and big waves, they might not be the right choice to retire on a sailboat or sail from Bimini Bahamas to Grenada. We look at the Island Packet 420 and Island Packet 440 compared to Beneteau, Jeanneau, Catalina, and Hunter Legend including the Cataina 32 MKII, Hunter Legend 40.5, Beneteau 423, and Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 42 DS.
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Wife and I bought our 1999 island Packet 45 about 3 years ago and have been spending 3-4 months a year sailing the Caribbean since. Crossing back to Florida last year, the weather changes on us mid Gulf Stream and wow, “Beauty” handled it like she was born for it. Cause she was… at first, my wife was always reluctant to sail with me but I came up after her watch and she has full Genoa and most of the main up in 25 knots…. I’m a little surprised but she’s surfing the waves and relaxing with a book… we got her pre COVID for under $170k and she was in perfect shape for age. They can be found if you look hard enough and definitely worth the stretch in your budget!!!!😃 and fully loaded she is like 40,000 lbs +
Sounds amazing - hope all is well.
That’s an amazing deal😮
A brand newJenneau DS44 was dropped six inches while unloading here at Annapolis last year - popped the keel off the grid - they had an expert come up to repair it, and I got to talk to him. He said it takes lots of grinding and 35 layers of glass to redo the grid - and he shook his head at the fragility of newer boats if they should hit a reef. He did think his repair job made the boat stronger than factory built. The older, full keel or long keel boats might be slower and harder to turn, but they can often survive a good bump with a reef - and like you say, Tim - cruisers always hit something, sometime.
Our 1976 Pearson 365 was dropped about a foot when a hydraulic hose fitting failed on the boat-mover. There was no structural damage at all.
That's exactly the sort of repair that @ExpeditionEvans did to their Beneteau 50 and there was weeks of grinding that had to be done.
Another great no nonsense informative video, keep them coming! We bought a battle axe, an '85 Belliure 50, we've poured a good deal of $$ and time into her (due to previous owner neglect) and she's once again proper ocean blaster, which is exactly what we will do with her when all the work is done. 😅😁😁
I always liked those Pearson 365s! @@sweisbrod6109
What about the schooners those old refurbished boats are strong?
"Pick a boat that picks the kind of sailing you'll be doing." Amen. Good video, thanks. :D
I might rephrase it to pick the boat you are able to handle alone in rough conditions; if the size defines your sailing area, it means you are not prepared to go full scale (so grow to it up). A lot of people overestimate their abilities to pursue their dreams and that leads to disasters. Joshua Slocum was a well-seasoned captain and his boat was kind of too small by current trend, however...
1973 Tartan 30 here (Carina). I am a solo sailor and I have modified this boat to do serious traveling. I draw 4'11". I wouldn't trade her for any other boat. Yes, she is slower than your typical 42-footer, but the deck, lines, and gear are very manageable. Having run marinas and spent years sailing I have noticed something... people always trade in their smaller sailboat, you know, the one they took out every weekend and had fun with, sailed everywhere, for a bigger one they now make big payments on and enjoy a lot less because it cost so much more to travel. I know some people who end up fearing their new larger sailboat thinking they are going to be safer at sea in it and realize a large sailboat requires more work in high winds with heavier line loads. My good friend Donna Lange set two world records on her 28' Southern Cross and we all know Atom Voyages with his 28-foot Pearson Triton who sailed the world. If a big boat works for you awesome!! But remember, even a 60-foot yacht is nothing but a speck on the big ocean blue... ⛵😊
I was on a 90 foot schooner in a gale in the Bay of Biscay but the ship was dwarfed in the waves....
I have a heavy displacement ketch rig . Confort rating 44.81 displacement 15 tons.
I have sailed on many 36 to 50 foot
Boats.all modern designs of equivalent length are faster. 20 knots and under. Above 20 they reef and pound threw the waves at that point I can keep up or pass them. At anchor I'm not swinging all over the place and rolling.
I'm giving up a knot or two to cruising boats that's a given.
To me, I'll put safety before speed
Off shore.
Lived aboard and cruised a heavy displacement yacht for seven years 43 feet 18 ton I have often been glad of the extra displacement especially in heavy weather
My parents sail the world for 11 years in a Tayana battle axe, returned home drinks.
I built a lightweight 35 foot epoxy foam sandwich racer and cruised Europe and Africa.
Both types of boats did the job and I'm so greatfull that I was mad and reckless enough to sail solo.
Now I'm married and have a daughter so it's a caravan and camping. 👍👍👍
I just acquired a '74 Morgan out island. It needs a bit of work but it's everything I wanted. It's a full keel center cockpit aft cabin boat that seems very well built and has a ton of support since they built so many of them. I love the visibility of the center cockpit. I can literally lay back in the cockpit and see EVERYTHING rather than having to strain to peer over the cabin to see what's in front of me. I love the peace of mind of having a full encased keel. I know that their performance is akin to sailing a brick but I kinda don't care. My attitude towards sailing is that it's more about the journey than the destination.
What seems missing from this discussion are: tracking and prop and rudder protection. I had an Allied that had a "cut away" full keel., There was nil chance that I would pick up a line or smash the rudder running aground. In addition, the tracking of a full keel means that if you balance the sails, the boat will practically sail itself. If you are cruising, I would say you had better have a skeg at minimum. The slick Benateau's. have a rudder that is completely exposed. Never mind the prop. Also the architecture of these slick rudders. They are completely dependent upon a single rod whose structural degradation may be completely hidden from view. A keel hung rudder has support from above and below. Why maybe sugar scoops are a bad idea? If you want an auto helm, try installing one on a sugar scoop transom.
And there you have it. Fully agree.
Love your info, thank you for doing vids like this. Close to retirement , had a power boat for many years, now wanting to Sail , Retire and spend years out enjoying , but needed information to help plan. Your info given is very much appreciated . Take care 👏👏🇨🇦🇨🇦
Thanks for watching!
I’ve got a coaster 33 it’s just over 18000 pound, it feels like a battle axe, i’ve had her a year and have been sailing the last 18 months, she kept my inexperienced arse safe sailing her from south wales to north wales a few weeks ago my first big passage on her, there was a lot of bad weather on the trip and massive swells, at one point rounding the skerries at Anglesey I experienced what pyramid waves were, the boat took them a lot better than me and the crew, after that trip my boat proved to me how safe she can keep me in horrible weather and that she can take a lot more than I can 😅
I looked it up. What a tank. I think you have a better market over there. At least for the boats, like yours, that I want. I love unkillable simple.
@@autonomousindividual7780 on the above trip I had a few issues, had a rigging batton snap and ran out of fuel all could have been avoided but I’m new to sailing so still learning everything the hard way 😅 there’s a short clip on my channel of the pyramid waves where the boat is getting bounced around, I think she sails very well under just the Genoa & the mizzen I get 6 knots no problem her max is 7 but rounding Anglesey on that trip I seen we hit 11 knots because of the currents , the last mile of that trip the winds where hitting 35 knots, never felt safer tucked away in the pilot house, before buying her I was looking for a halberg rassy rasmus, after viewing the coaster 33 I needed to look no further, its similar to a rasmus, some of my fave features are the nice big bulwarks and the solid guard rails as well as the nice aft cabin and the canoe back which was put to the test in them big swells hits us from behind, also how thick the fiber glass is the boat feels solid nothing seems flimsy, I think they were made to sail my part of the world, perfect for north wales and the Irish Sea, the thought of sailing in our uk weather without the pilot house is very unappealing to me, if we do get any nice weather I just drop the covers as it’s a semi pilot house and I have best of both 👌⛵️
Well done. Mate
Got washed up on a sandy beach in Futuna, a small unknown French island about 100 miles east of Fiji, during a storm. BTW; the "harbor" in Futuna is not a harbor when the winds clock around to the west, so always drop two anchors when there. Anyway, when I gazed at our Tayana 37 lying on her side totally dry, that's when I saw the real beauty of a full keel. She looked magnificent! Inside; totally dry.
My 1973 C&C 39 that I owned for 28 years, survived an SORC, one Transpac, 4 Vic Maui, one Pacific Cup (division winner), countless races in Puget Sound and then we lived aboard for 5 years adventuring between Olympia Washington State and Nanaimo British Columbia. Have sailed her in 70 knot winds, And the new owners sailed her from Tacoma Washington to her new home in Valdez Alaska. Rebedded the keel and replaced keel boat backing plates in 1994. Still solid. Tough fast comfortable boat. I'd do it again if I could. Great boat.
Great anecdote. All the newbie cruisers think big and heavy will make up for their lack of experience. In reality, safety comes from speed and manueverability.
I'm loving your videos. I lived aboard an owner-built 32ft. trimaran years back. Got to sail it in heavy weather in San Francisco Bay. I crewed on a Regatta race out of Sausalito. We placed 3rd. The ultimate was three hours at the helm of the Grace Bailey while the Skipper went down for a nap. Your videos bring back lots of great memories. I'm going to hit that Patrion button. Thanks!
Your professional expertise and witty delivery are very much appreciated by this Hunter 40.5 Legend… 😉
I have seen quite a few of you videos I believe that this one is one of the most valuable to me
Thank you
This was a really thoughtful and entertaining take on this classic problem of dialing in the right size boat for our actual sailing mission. Thanks for the video, have a like and sub!
I like how you provide different point an view on a same subject. Really like you analysises!
I like that you mentioned having an encapsulated keel. I've had my Rival 32 since 2011 and feel very safe in heavy weather.
Encapsulated or intregal keels are definitely the way to go if you want a real bluewater boat , just make sure the ballast is lead and not iron , if water get in there you got big trouble . It dosen't have to be a full keel , it can be a long keel with a cutawy between the keel and rudder. They are faster turn better and are easer to get off that last reef you just hit. And as you said . YOU WILL RUN AGROUND. Make sure that rudder has a skeg on it as well , this is really old school stuff . They just dont build like that anymore because there damn expensive to build compared to gluing in a liner and bolting on a keel . Dont let anyone tell you any different , its your saftey and possibly your life your betting on.
Encapsulated type keels have great benefits except maybe for very minor or purposeful groundings (tide). In addition, not all bolt on keel shapes handle groundings equally. One only has to compare the dimensions of the bolt on keel and fasteners to understand there is a wide range of risk. Many performance oriented boats have a ridiculously exposed bolt on keel configurations and many cruising oriented boats (think Hallberg-Rassy, Hinckley, Gozzard) have shallow modified fin type bolt on keels that are not only lengthy with many more fasteners but are wide where they attach to the hull / bilge and have leading edges that are not aggressive / not vertical. Yes, all bolt on keels need to be checked with age and after any hard grounding but I’ll bet the higher performance bolt on keels have 99% of the critical failures. Thoughts?
A skeg should be the norm!
@@douglasblunck5198 I agree not all bolt on keels are equal . But to be fare they should all be checked every ten years , I just had a survey done for insurance , must be done every ten years as well. So do I really want to add the expense of dropping the keel at the same time. Have you seen where they put the bolts to the keel in a Hallberg-Rassy ? Some parts of the world have no hull out facilities , I wouldn't want to have to sail a 1000 miles after a hard grounding with a keel that may be compromised. Again, it comes down to what you want the boat for .
I love the conclusion Tim. Good talk, thank you, really good one.
As always great video! Thank you Tim!
I have owned a Beneteau 411, an Island packet 40, and a 37 Pacific Seacraft. I have to say your choice here depends upon what's more important: how you use the boat at the dock/anchor or how they will handle in uncomfortable weather which will happen to all of us regardless of our preparation.
Thoughtful video. A big part of the reason why I bought a full keel Nauticat motor-sailer is my wife and safety. It it wasn't for her, I probably would have bought a "racer/cruiser" instead, but that big heavy "battleax" makes her feel safe. And we don't intend to just do coastal cruising but rather sail "pole to pole".
One important aspect of boat safety is how much time you spend on the water. If you can make make a crossing 30% faster with a "racer/cruiser" than with a "battleax", then that's 30% less time you're exposing yourself to things going bad out on the ocean, which is a big deal. But I want to do sailing that's more like Alluring Artic than Sailing Doodles.
Yes, figure out what kind of sailing you want to do and pick a boat that fits that program.
"Keeping the wife happy" is also a BIG part of buying a boat for a married guy. As a general rule (obviously there are exceptions) Women desire a few things above all else, particularly after having kids. If you are married with kids or retired and older, it's a near guarantee that your wife won't give two craps about how fast the boat is. She will want to know:
1. Is it SAFE?
2. Is it SECURE?
3. Is it COMFORTABLE?
Beyond that, she generally won't care.
@@Wearyman That's true in my life. There's a video by the guy who owned and designed the Nauticat motor-sailers. He came right out and said that it's the women who want to buy his boats. I can love any boat, but I've only got one wife to love.
Great insight. I really enjoy you fairness between brands,
Hey, thanks for the video at the end of your videos. They’re it sounded like family. Love you too.
Advice that's pragmatic and useful. Another great video 👍
CRAB POT RESISTANT, another plus for Island Packets is the rail that links the keel and rudder that allows crab pot lines to slide off. It can be challenging avoiding crab pots during the day, almost impossible during a night sail. While most of my comrades have gotten tangled I have not. And as for speed, my IP40 is slow in light winds, but last week had her moving over 8 knots SOG with 18 knots of wind (and yes, the one knot current helped)
Another amazing video my man, been following you for 4 years now and love your work .
THANK YOU!
Hi Tim! Thanks for the consult. We bought that Cabo Rico, BTW. We hope to see you out there soon!.
Oh boy, you made me chuckle several times at this video “sidewalk and elephant”😂. Seriously I really appreciated your insights. I’m always looking at the absolute strongest solution so I’m aligned with the “battle axe”, and given that they have minimal depreciation, I see few downsides. Thanks again Tim 🙏👏👏👏
Love this video, and your others. Building my knowledge on most appropriate boats as I will be around the Mediterranean second half of next year - might be calling for your services then! :)
I love my 1986 Mason 33! She's a beast and the build quality is top notch - and beautiful! However, to your point, she's way over built for the way I use it. For me, I love the beauty and I like keeping it looking good, so the work doesn't bother me. I'll likely never go anywhere that will challenge this boat, but I like knowing I can!
Thank you for the confirmation, GO SAIL.. Always good to hear someone remind you of why you bought that battle axe in the first place! Getting the Hans Christian 38mkII ready for battle now.
I am totally in love with a local IP 370. It haunts my dreams as my perfect boat
Go with a 38 (not 380). The layout is much better, especially the Pullman style berth in the forward cabin. The shower forward excellent as well. Ask me how I know 😊
how do you know@@sailingindependence9927
@@sailingindependence9927 But no sugar scoop
We had a 370 and loved it...we went everywhere...great layout and awesome boat! Now I own an IP 320
Hi! I grew up sailing opti’s sunfish and the likes in Florida. Love your videos! Every episode makes me want to quit my job sell my house and get cruise the world. Keep up the good work.
First time watching the channel. Really informative video. We are in the process of researching boats for a purchase in two years time. Happy days 😊
Another great video. Again voicing a consideration most vloggers leave unmentioned. Every once in a while you produce a real gem and you got another one here today. I focus on the sailboatData numbers on comfort ratio and S# because even with my limited open water experience in the Carolinas comfort and some speed matter to me. Honestly, I have no idea how those numbers are calculated, but sitting around uncomfortable and getting nowhere is something I like to avoid.. Being heavy has a few more cons than you mentioned, one of them is sitting around getting nowhere in llght air.
Another great vid.
Thanks!
I'm a landlocked Hobie Getaway sailor, dreaming of bluewater adventures, and really hoping for big cat coastal cruising along the West Coast of Mexico, Sea of Cortez, and the San Juan Islands. I like your straightforward view of things. Hoping that I can make some of these dreams come true.
Always a wealth of information from this guy...
love your point of view.
Bought an IP 420 as my first sailboat, as a new sailor. I was sold the moment my 250 lbs stepped aboard and the boat didn’t move.
Good presentation, logically laid out
Thank you for everything you do for us.
So nice of you 💜
Thanks. Im just a wannabe saylor but I enjoy your presentations. Well done.
Good discussion!!
I’m an Island Packet enthusiast!!
Great video ,it helps my reflexion on the boat weight . I have sailed 20,000 # boats and trying this year a rental sailboat at 15,000 # . 'looking forward to see the difference. Thanks for your great work!!
I like your videos, you always try to give opposing viewpoints. My Baba 30 is a relatively hard hitter at 30ft and 13k lbs. it’s what’s going to take me to the Caribbean next season. As Larry Pardey so famously said “go small, go simple, go now”
Great video! Very interesting.
Loved the video!
Great perspective TY
I admire your knowledge.
thanks for watching!
Interesting episode, thanks.
As someone who lives in Iowa, USA and will never own a sailboat. I love your videos. I learn so much.
Our boat salesman is from Kansas, yet he knows something about any sailboat ever made.
All very good and informative advice 👍 👏
Really enjoy your commentary... thx!
Thanks for watching!
Hi, great video, Thank you! I'm not a sailor ... yet, but its an inspiration for me. Subscribed
Love your channel keep it up. Those tanks are nice but way out of my price range. Plus, I'd prefer to be a smart patient sailor and go when the weather window allows rather than bounce through rough seas.
sidewalk & diced elephant battle axe 😅😂❤
Fun episode and perspectives
We got ourselves a Catalina 30. Its perfect for us sailing the inside passage of Vancouver Island. Ive had to do a ton of work though. But when ive done all the work myself i know everything about the whole boat.
Over the last week ive pulled the engine and rebuilt the transmission on the kitchen table.
Have to say. I’m kinda stuck on a boat that won’t split or stress. When I or someone else does something wrong or drags etc..
I like the fact that the plug pulled to put in the the bow thruster on the we like is a rock solid inch thick, It’s going to be our home! Just my way of thinking 😅
Loved it!!
Hi!! Love this!!
One of my all time favorite boats was a ferro cement Flicka 20. It was a full keel weighed 7,870 lbs. And could take everything Lake Erie could dish out. If we're only ten feet longer I probably would have been sailing to distant ports. But there wasn't enough storage for my tastes. Although they have cruised the world. I'm just not that attuned to port hopping to resupply. But it's someone's perfect boat. It really boils down to what you actually do and what level of comfort you are looking for.
I had a ferro schooner design by Benford. She was a great boat, many who banged into me at 0130 in the anchorage cursed her lol.
Hi;) And thank you, cheers.
Currently getting our lives in order and saving to retire early and go cruising full time. Not putting it off per say, but with kids and pets won't fit, and they whine too much. Your videos give me more insight into the cruising world and different perspectives that I simply don't have access to, thank you!
Just bought an IP 380 for the very reasons. It is beautifully designed and built sailboat that is very comfortable and forgiving. I don’t have any plans at the moment for a long passage crossing and I don’t mind it being a slower boat in local waters. I know I can take family and friends out in safety and comfort. You pay a bit more, but you get a lot more for that extra.
@8:22
That was just hilarious.
I'll try to remember that next time.
Did it. Got it. 25,000 lbs dry as built, 43 foot. Probably 30,000 equipped for cruising. See ya out there.
Hi, great Info as well as intertaining to watch. Would be very interesting to see your pros and cons on a circumnavigation in a motorsailer, such as a cheoy lee 43 Ms. Keep up your videos and fair winds!
Sounds like a great boat for those who want to experience the world but is a little nervous about their own skill set but want to take their time to learn the process.
You are great, Sir !
We sail a 18,000lb 37 foot shoal full keel boat. We get tossed around in the bigger waves quite a bit which is uncomfortable, but on those light wind days, put up the whisker pole and we are very happy we can sail.
I love the "Just Do It! motto. We all have an expiration date but none of us have it printed on the package. Go now!
Hi.... haha. Yes I love the island packet, very nice boat. I also like the full keel. Not for everyone I know, but I think they give you peace of mind. Keep up the good work. SV Kiwi Lady Opua Bay of islands New Zealand 👍🏿
Good discussion. I'm glad to see I am one of the 10% he is NOT talking about. Want to go all around North America. Looking for an Island Packet 38 (for all the reasons he mentioned).
BTW, you can get a grounded boat off a bar by heeling it over with the Mainsail (wind permitting) or a spare anchor attached to the Main halyard. Even a full keel can be pulled off that way, especially off a sand or mudbar, which are the most common places to ground.
Endurance 37'. About 17,500lbs! Pilothouse. Bombproof.
Friends were going to buy an Island Packet. They passed after a test sail when they had to furl the genoa to tack.
Hi, new to this your show is very interesting and knowledgeable first time watching.
"My job is to save you money.... here's my patreon" ❤😂
Don't forget to tell people how much time (money) they will spend re-coring the deck and cabintop of a balsa-cored boat vs actually sailing...
Just about any white plastic 20k pound boat WILL have water infiltration/coring problems at deck fittings, etc.
I'm not thinking of transitioning to a sailing life, however I am a techie and this is very interesting.
great video.
P.s. to my former comment. We’ve never had to repair anything on an island packet. Few modifications and stuff but never any repairs.
My "I just want that Hans Christian" factor is great. Patience and talking to a lot of sailors and you will find the right boat. The heavy ocean sailors are more than I need, but they are awesome boats for a coastal cruiser.
First time viewing your videos. Quite enjoyed the frankness of your comments, the prctical application and the "just do it" attitude. I know pwoplw with both the factory blue water Sun Odysseys whcih are great except the plumbing etc, and the Hans Christians that can be handed down through generations. Thank you for the straight talk w/o the hype.
Nice one Tim
The boat never lets you down. Its the skipper that lets the boat down. Sailed around the world for 3yrs in a light bavaria. Enjoyed sailing fast.. She was the.perfect boat for us.
LOL, My Dad and I built and sailed a 30' Gaff rigged Schooner. Yellow cedar planked, steamed and corked. Full keel, lead ballast. She was launched in 1974 and still afloat today. We've NEVER hit ground... Just sayin. Great scope and info on some of the plastic out there. Happy heeling folks!
New subscriber here. I've been binging your content for about 2 months now. I'm 42 and plan on retiring at 50 and spending the rest of my life cruising the oceans and although I've been piloting small speed boats and larger pontoon boats my entire life I've never even stepped aboard a sailboat. I'm an adept river cruiser and know how to deal with that type of water but I'm nervous and excited to try the big blue life. I have alot to learn about sailing and I'm finding it hard to find anyone near me who's even been on one. I'm relying alot on TH-cam. I'm attempting to find some training and hands on experience but it's not really easy where I live. Thanks for your great videos as everytime I start second guessing my choice your vids always rekindle my hope.
Sailing is hours and hours of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror. Just start with small trips and ask anybody and everybody for advice to mitigate those bowel loosening moments.
@@danaveye3977 I would like to say that one should become crew on a boat with an experienced skipper.
The knowledge one will get from those old salts is like gold.
The sea is a totally different beast. Costal sailing is the place to become good at sailing. It's the most difficult place to sail, and - most of the time - give you amble time to seek refuge in a nearby marina, harbour, or protected waters.
In weather forecasts you should pay attention to wave height, the wave frequency (one per X second, e.g. 6 s), wind speed and wind gust, and the wind direction.
... and then there's the currents and their direction.
An unlucky mix of directions, and strength of those forces can be lethal.
Love your videos.🤓
I did it and I love it!
Dream boat - IP 485 or the newer 439. Still saving!!
Thanks
Over 5 boats I got up to Hunter 260. Plenty of boat for me, with fresh air from Texas.
You da man Tim. Cleveland loves ya!
We cruise (& race) a 6000 pound, 34 footer, huge sail area. It's easy (& important) to shorten sail but does require an experienced owner. Light boats are surprisingly capable, if you don't mind taking knock downs.
Love watching these and I've never owned a boat.
Nice video! I believe Yellow to reduce glare in bright sunshine.
I think you need to make a distinction between what you call a heavy boat (or battle axe) and a fin keel versus full keel boat. There are several boats that are fin or modified fin that are heavy. Many 80s boats are heavy by today's standards. (Rival 38, Valiant, Bristol, Tartan, Swan 48, Swan 47, Cambria, Kaufman 47, HC Christina, - The list goes on-and-on and while some of these boats boats were not produced in mass quantities, there are still out there)
Safety at sea means more than the ability to possess heft. How does Heave-to? Can it go to weather and claw off of a lee shore? Speed is a safety factor too. It's important to find the proper balance. My boat, 46' in length, tips the Travel Lift scale at 34,000 lbs. It has 13,000 lbs of ballast, is capable of 10+ knts, can sail inside of 30 degrees and has a motion comfort index of around 35. Those numbers are added safety features in my mind.
I work in a boat yard on the SF bay and am also a broker. As a home on the water, I see the value in IPs. As true sailboats, these things have many compromises that would-be owners need to be aware of.