Best Rod for Fluke & Flounder? Shimano Dialuna and Daiwa Labrax AGS
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After a full season of testing (and then some), the best shore fluke rods we've ever used are the Shimano Dialuna and the Daiwa Labrax AGS. These are 9' and 9'6 "surf" rods, rated to around 1.5oz, and weigh a hair over 5oz. Paired to a Daiwa Ballistic 4000 LT, the entire setup is in the neighborhood of 13oz total.
Shimano Dialuna 96M: ebay.to/2G3ujSN
Daiwa Labrax AGS 9M: ebay.to/2XuM8Ae
Daiwa Ballistic 4000 LT: ebay.to/2OJnjND (crazy deal lol)
Keitech EZ Shiner 5": ebay.to/2Kd5tUK
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Check out the NEW Labrax review here - th-cam.com/video/beG9Z4pQgYg/w-d-xo.html
Beast set up! Good info on the single hand on the rod....
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I would go so far as to call you artists. Some of the best fluking I have seen on youtube.
Thank you!
Great video I can’t wait until opening day
it'll be here before you know it!
That Shimano would also be an awesome Herring Rod :) I already blamed you last winter for my first Shimanos. Boss already complaining too many rods in the house . Thank you for sharing sir !
herring rod lol...I suppose!
Thanks you for explaining the lure weight conversion I always have trouble conversion grams to ounce
Dude, I recently got myself a dialuna 710mh based on your fluke videos from last year. What an awesome rod. Mainly will be using on boat/kayak and piers hence the shorter length. Your review is spot on as usual.
Interesting! I never considered their shorter offerings...is it 2pc?
Cooking and Fishing Yes it’s a 2 piece. The Model I got is “BS S710mh”, has spiral x and hi power x.
Great info. Thanks
Greetings from Chile. I am thinking in acquiring the 96m, but the B version (either the dialuna of the lunamis). It would be nice to know your thoughts on baitcasting the same type of lures/technique. We are flounder seekers here on Chilean coasts, and once a season you might catch a 4 or 5 kilos. With light equipment is a joy. Your channel is very interesting and full of respect for the specie.
High there! I am more comfortable using spinning reels from the surf, since it is a little more water/sand proof than baitcasters. But in the back bays I use a lot of baitcasters, mainly freshwater bass setups. I think you'll be very happy with the new Dialuna, I would buy that over the Lunamis personally. If you want spinning definitely check out my 21 Labrax video too - th-cam.com/video/beG9Z4pQgYg/w-d-xo.html
@@CookingandFishing Thanks for your reply. I understand your point on baitcasters in sea shore. What took me by surprise was your recommendation of the Dialuna over the Lunamis. I was leaning for the later thinking that it is higher in Shimano's own scale (and price). Is there any particular reason why you prefer the new Dialuna? Or is it just that you don't see much of a difference between the two to actually pay more for the Lunamis? It would be of great help to know your opinion on this. Thanks in advance!
@@pablotenkara3057 I have much more experience with the corresponding rods in freshwater. The Dialuna shares the same blank/tech as the Exprides, and the Lunamis is the equivalent of the Poison Adrena. IMO the Exprides were a better buy than the Poison Adrena, if you can find the actions you want, and likewise the Dialuna (esp the new B version) is going to be a better buy than the Lunamis. Also, the Lunamis/Adrena lines are due for a refresh next year, while the new Dialuna came out this year...I always like having brand new models to fish with :)
I just cane from Japan and I been catch good fish on a $100 Suzuki rod. The are good for flounder, drum just jigging in general Hope to hit south Jersey next year for some flounder fishing.
Yeah that whole class of rods is perfect for a lot of inshore stuff here
Whats the best surf rod money can buy for the CA coast in your opinion? Must be able to handle all species and possible bycatch - Perch, fluke, croaker, halibut, bass, striper …etc
Thanks for posting this. It’s exactly what I was looking for. I’m in California and I fish just like you with the one handed jigging for halibut. I fish 1oz jigs and our fish here are usually bigger, do you think the 96MH would suit me better? Have you handled the MH?
1oz + plastic? Definitely the MH. It will be tip heavy. However...I can't imagine needing that much weight from shore. Aren't the cali beaches very gradual sloping for the most part? People use SP Minnows for halibut out there!
@@CookingandFishing NorCal San Francisco Bay Area we got deep water along the shore. Some spots can go 40-60 feet with massive amounts of current. The deep fast water produces some big flounder from shore, 40+ pounders! Thanks for your info. I ended up ordering the MH and it’s perfect for what I am using it for. Paired with a shimano Vanford.
What phase of the tide IYO is best.......seems most of the C&F vids are low to outgoing tides on the beach....
I like fishing with Carolina rig. What do you reccomend. Mostly shore and pier fishing.
Depends on the weight. Anything under 3/4oz weight the 96M will do.
for shore jigging with metal spoons and lures from jetties would you recommend the dialuna or the labrax? its important to me that the rod will be stiff and not flexible.. i mainly target small seabass, bluefish and spanish macks... (all not more then 8 lb)
I think it depends on what type of shore jigging. If you're doing Japanese style "slow" jigging, I would say the Dialuna is an excellent choice as long as you stay within its lure ratings. I would want a rod with a lively yet fast-recovering tip for that style of lift and fall jigging. Palms Republic has a bunch of videos on that slow jigging, along with several series of dedicated rod models for it. But to answer your question: the Labrax is definitely faster tapered than the Dialuna, and if you want a "stiffer" tip section that's what you should get. The other option is to take a chance on the MH power Dialuna, which imo is a fair gamble since it's still 100+ dollars cheaper than the Labrax.
thanks man! im doing japnese style shore jigging mainly for spanish macks, little tunnies and blue fish... i find it hard to create a decent action when the rod isnt stiff... for macks and tunnies you usualy go for fast shore jigging... would you say the dialuna will be disturbingly flexible for fast shore jigging?
@@smoothddd lol I dunno about disturbingly flexible...if you look closely at this video, you'll get a sense of how far the rod loads on a typical jigging motion. That's a 3/8oz jighead to 5" easy shiner...so approx 0.70oz total weight package. What I envision if you get the Dialuna MH is a rod that will handle slow-moderate jigging like a champ, and do well with slightly lighter jigs on fast jigging. That's obviously all conjecture, since I don't do that sort of jigging from shore. You can check out this video and their others, the technique intrigues me since it's obviously so equipment-dependent...esp the recovery of the rod tip imparting action to the jig: th-cam.com/video/it5Nbwxen-0/w-d-xo.html
Anyone who has experienced the Dialuna 96ML, either spinning or baitcast model? Want to use it for spoons 18-25 gram. Does it have a fairly deep action (bending curve) or how would you describe it, moderate moderate/fast? It doesn't have to have a stiff tip for jerking, jigging because I usually fish (sea trout) with a steady retrieve, speed depening on water temperature with frequent spinn-stops and small twitches here and there. I guess the Labrax has a bit different action maybe with less bending curve, less parabolic action or?
I can’t wait to put some bend on them rods!!
very soon!
hi have you fished the dark mater ob from j and h tackle .tackle adviser 5/29/20 thinks its a great rod. i can't make up my mind between the dialuna and the dark mater ob have you had a chance to fish one? it's a mega bass shadow pangea suzuki clone.
Never fished the dark matter, but my opinion is there are no such things as true "clones," unless JandH can prove they sourced the blank that Megabass used in the Pangea. Further, between the Pangea and the Dialuna...I choose the Dialuna. I'm a fan of Shimano blanks. Their tech is pretty easy to follow. For roughly the same cost...I wouldn't even consider an OEM rod like the JandH over a Dialuna. Now, if I were buying a similar rod today, I would look at the Lunamis. The Dialuna is in the same realm as the Exprides, while the Lunamis is in the Poison Adrena category. But like the Expride...the Dialuna is just incredible value for what you get.
@@CookingandFishing i pulled the trigger on the dialuna thanks for your review .
Any rods you reccomened in the $150 range?
One question, have you ever foul-hooked an 80# cow-nose ray with one of those super light rods?
Yeah this one wasn't foul hooked - th-cam.com/video/kbuwLK20g8o/w-d-xo.html
and I don't match my tackle to potential by-catch - if I hook into something I can't land, I break it off and go back to fishing. Be sure to check out the new Labrax AGS review here - th-cam.com/video/beG9Z4pQgYg/w-d-xo.html
What tool is that at 11:12 to remove the hook?
im interested in the 9'6 mh for striper and halibut. i will be using swimbait and topwater plug from 1/2 to 1 oz . will it be too flimsy like a salmon rod?
Definitely not a salmon/steelhead rod, but it wants to stay within its lure ratings for sure. If you are regularly throwing 1oz total weight...get the MH.
@@CookingandFishing thx for the reply. forgot to ask . what is the hook remover you are using?
Hi. Can you apply these rods for surf fishing Surf perch and Striped bass? Is this a moderate fast action rod?
The Dialuna would be perfect for surf perch and schoolie bass. The Labrax has a faster taper, the Dialuna I'd say has a mod-fast tip section.
Hi, i'm very interested to shimano dialuna, but i don't know what's the perfect cast action for me. I fish sea bass in a river with a strong current, with soft baits that usually range from 6 to 15 grams. I need a very sensitive but also very powerful rod because I have to pull the fish away from the rocks located on the bottom. The rod leght could be from 7 to 8 ft. What weight do you recommend? Is the cast stated truthful? I had seen dialuna ML 6-28 in the web markets but i don't know if it's perfect to me. Thank u
6g total weight (jig/hook + plastic) is very light, and if you are never going over 20g then I would look at the S86L. I cannot speak to power, but I would not hesitate to use 15lb leader on that setup.
thoughts on a 10'6"mh? i have an opportunity to buy one from a friend. i would be using it here in california surfcasting for striper and halibut.
Neither of us have used the 106MH, I would go check it out in person and make a decision. I will say that the 96M is as heavy as I would use for the fishing I do, heavier and it stops being a one-handed jigging rod imo.
You think using a 10ft6 dialuna with a size 4000 reel would be a little too over powering for flounder fishing?
Yes, way too much rod for fluke. I just started testing a 21 Labrax 90ML - so far...perfect. You want something sub - 4.5oz, and rated to about 35, 40g.
does the ags really worth the money?
do you feel like its that much better then the normal sic guides while casting or fighting a fish?
im about to decide between the two rods
which you will recommend? (i dont care about price)
They are very different blanks, and I'm not sure how much the AGS guides play into the feel of the rod. The Labrax is much faster action than the Dialuna. Not to say that the Dialuna is slow, but the Labrax has a similar feel as freshwater bass jig rods...just on a larger scale. The Dialuna is more versatile in terms of lures you can use...small plugs with treble hooks etc, along with single hook jigs. If you're only jigging fluke, either will work well...just depends on what you're after in terms of rod action.
i hope we are on the same understanding
action = where the rod bends (fast action means that only the tip of the rod bents etc..)
power = how much force is needed to bend the blank
@@smoothddd We are talking about the same thing. Just saw your earlier question about these rods too...at this point, I think you're just going to have to order one or the other and see how you like it. You won't know for sure until you've fished with one :)
ive just ordered the dialuna 96m like yours.. im going to use it mainly for big minnows and 1 ounce metal spoons etc... the rod just looks too sexy... btw if you want www.plat.co.jp just sales the labrax for 40% off on garage sale and it now costs like the dialuna...
@@smoothddd Excellent! Let us know how you like it for your applications. That Labrax sale is real, thanks for the heads up! They've been out for a number of years, I wonder if this means a refresh is coming.
I had previous version of dialuna 96m it’s kind of stiff and tip heavy for me, I don’t know if you feel the same for this new version
the 96M I have is borderline - I would check out the new Labrax 90ML for that perfect long fluke jigger - th-cam.com/video/beG9Z4pQgYg/w-d-xo.html
Is this type of fluking viable all season? I'm boat guy for fluke so not sure how long they'd stick around the beachs.
Pretty much all season, finding the right size is more of a challenge from shore
What do you think about shimano dialing pair with van stall vr75?
Wouldn't be my first choice but it should work fine.
would you describe the action of dialuna 96m? it looks like regular action. is that right? I want get one but a little bit worried its too soft of the waist . hope you can reply Thanks
I would say it's a med-fast tip but leaning towards fast, whereas the 9M Labrax is a true fast. What are you using it for?
@@supersix8065 It's weird, someone else asked about the exact same application. He got the rod and said it was "too stiff." If you're asking me, the 96M Dialuna would do the job perfectly, but you never know until you actually fish with it. Good luck!
@@CookingandFishing thanks for the information it really helpful
Those rods might be awesome but I can't afford them. I have a bunch of Ugly Stiks with different lengths and actions. They're cheap enough to be affordable but they're tough. And to me they're plenty sensitive. I especially like the Lite Pro series. I use Penn reels for the same reason, tough and affordable. The more expensive stuff might be lighter or more sensitive but not enough to justify buying them for myself. I'm going to see if Ugly Stik has any long but light rods. My 8' surf rod is too heavy for light jigs.
My biggest problem is that the flounder don't seem to be around my area at the moment.
The problem with ugly stiks is not just the lack of sensitivity - it's the glass content making for a slow and sloppy tip, that along with the heavy weight of the rod prevents you from imparting the right action to your 1/4oz jighead. I reviewed a sub $100 rod here, I recommend you check it out - th-cam.com/video/649n3fyPvOM/w-d-xo.html
roger,,my buddy Tim told me you are in Queens,,is that right?
I don't think I know Tim and I'm not from Queens lol
@@CookingandFishing you are Roger right?
I just bought a dialuna 8’6 rod mlight. Think a ballistic 3000 would be better for it?
Either 3 or 4000 will work, maybe check out the Stradic/Vanford too.
How does these rod perform against the GLoomis e6x rod? Im currious if these rods are better
The e6x is overpriced junk with the loomis name stamped on the blank - GLX/NRX, 100% worth the money, e6x, not so much.
@@CookingandFishing dang should have known ahead of time but at least now im headed to the right direction.
Thank you replying
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Good morning ! I am French, I will use google translate to try to communicate with you. Thank you very much for your very good video, it's very interesting. All the more interesting for me as I was hesitating precisely these days between these two rods Daiwa and Shimano. I fish with surface lures weighing between 12 and 28 grams, sofbait + jig head with a total weight between 12 and 30 grams and finally jigs that weigh between 20 and 30 grams. I think I'll buy the Shimano 96M in 8/45 grams like yours. Do you think it will be suitable for my fishing? Thank you !
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I think the Dialuna 96M will work very well, but today if I were to purchase a new seabass rod from Japan it will be the Lunamis 90M, especially if you are going to do a lot jigging as opposed to just winding with minnow plugs. The 96M Dialuna is very nice, but the balance is a little tip heavy for light jigging - also the Lunamis technology (Monocoque, spiral core x etc) is VERY sensitive - I fish with the Poison Adrena with same technology and they are amazing rods.
I think you will be happy with either choice but happier with the new Lunamis :)
@@CookingandFishing OK !
I will finish studying all of this with your final advice.
Thank you and lots of bigs fishs and waterfront fun for you !
What is your spinning model? 90L, 90Ml, 93L or 93ML.
Thank you very much!
I'm currently using the new Labrax AGS in the 90ML - th-cam.com/video/beG9Z4pQgYg/w-d-xo.html
@@CookingandFishing I bought 93ml 7-35 , 👍🏻
@@BADBOY-tn6zu Excellent!
do you notice a casting difference between 9' and 9'6''?
9'6 will cast further
Ive just got my dialuna 96m.. im kinda disappointed.. although the rod is well designed i didnt like the feel of it.. i like stiff rods but this is too much, the blank is wayyy too stiff, it feels like you are holding a broom and not a rod... casting and working lures take a toll on the wrist... didnt you find the rod too stiff?
If anything I wanted a slightly faster tip section, somewhere between the Dialuna and the Labrax. If you think the 96m Dialuna is stiff...you might want to reevaluate your definition of stiff. What previous rods did you own that had the right action? You might like the various steelhead rods, which to me are way too soft, but you might find perfect. Good luck, rod choices are myriad and you won't know for sure until you've fished with one.
You know what is the warranty on the dialuna
Hmm, no I don't. I suspect there wouldn't be a manufacture's warranty since you are buying overseas...I do know that certain JDM retailers in Japan will work with you to claim warranty issues, ie they will act as the middleman in any warranty dispute.
i purchased a simano dialuna S100M in may of 2020. it broke from the top 1/2 and ebay (JDM) is giving me the run around in having it fix and/or replaced. i paid $300 plus shipping. 3 months later....its dead. PHENIX HAS LIFE TIME WARRANTY
How did it break?
@@CookingandFishing CASTING 3/4OZ BUCKTAIL
@@thomascamacho9273 Well, that's unfortunate. I've heard of people going through plat or digitaka for JDM warranty stuff, but that's always the risk of buying JDM gear. I've abused my 96M and it's held up fine.
No!!! I brake last Sunday my 3 months young Dialuna S96M lunching a 27gr duel minnow!! (8/45gr CW)!
And 6 weeks ago my nephew brake he’s Brand new Dialuna (10/56 gr CW) Dialuna at he’s 3th lunch with same style 27 gr minnow. !!!
I see brake 2 Dialunas with a little minnow. This is crazy!! He become a new rod and I’m waiting what dealers says next week when he become my rod. We bought both at same dealer and vi the brake at similar points with just 2 or 3” difference. (Top rod part, around 1 foot from connection away). Seems a broken Dialuna is really common. I have find this videos looking for reviews for the next rod I want buy (Daiwa Labrax ags) but think at the 10/60 CW version.
@@thomascamacho9273 have you become a replace of you rod in warranty bro? Can you send me a PM with a pic of you broken rod for show my dealer? I can send you pics of my and my nephews broken Dialuna to
Show it’s possible a fabrication problem with the blank. :,(
Hello great content! Im a boat bay fisherman focused on fluking. Check my channel... Have great rods/combos for boat. Yea dark matter, and jig bounce twinn power 4000, and accurist....Now I do have a black hole challenger bank 701 rod with a vs 50. Is it possible to use this set up for your shore fluking methodology?
All too heavy unfortunately - check the newer videos I'm using mostly freshwater M/ML spinning rods and the new Labrax 90ML which is 4oz flat, paired to 2500/3000 sized Shimano reels - th-cam.com/video/beG9Z4pQgYg/w-d-xo.html
you could even get the 4-32 model for the weight you cast.. lighter..
It's not just casting payload, but jigging action + hook wire gauge etc. This is about as light in power as I'll go, and I've tried the ML to diminishing returns. Gripping the reel seat ahead of the reel stem...it's a perfect tip-neutral balance while jigging. My friend just picked up the MH, which I'll get to play around with in a few weeks. I might like that even better, though it's approaching the dreaded 6oz mark lol.
@@CookingandFishing Excellent video. Please let me know if you think the 10ft MH is better than the 96M. I have the Megabass Shadow Pangea 106. I hated it because it is tip heavy and the action is moderate fast. I'm looking for a longest, lightest, fast action and most balanced rod to replace my Megabass rod.
@@audiomacaudiomac5019 Any 10ft rod is going to be tip heavy, unless you balance it with a very heavy reel. The Dialuna 96m has a med-fast tip imo, and a tip-neutral balance with a Ballistic LT 4k. Now, my cousin's Labrax 9m AGS is better balanced, has a crisper tip action, but it's also 6" shorter. I think the 96M or MH Dialuna will be an improvement over the Megabass in either case.
@@CookingandFishing Thank you for your recommendation. I will pick up the Dialuna 96M. I already bought the Ballistic LT 4k based on your recommendation here. Buttery smooth and light reel. Returned my VR50 with the line lay problem and saved me $300. Thanks again.
Sorry dialuna
Too expensive
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