The influence of the first Iraq war is so overlooked in covering this era. Three of my friends were recalled by the Army, pulled out of college, and dropped into a desert war. We slam danced their last weekend and left all our anger on the floor and walked home sweaty, glowing and deeply aware that it was the end of an era. Sh*t got real.
What some of these guys say about major labels is absolutely true. I know three guys from a band I will not name that had a big hit in the late 90s/Early 2000s on their debut album. They got as high as #28 on Billboard, got heavy airplay on VH1 and MTV, and the album went gold. They went on tour opening for one of the most famous bands in history and playing stadium shows all over the world. When the tour was over, they found out that the owed the label money due to their contractural obligations. To make matters worse, they found out that the manager of one of the band members had embezzled funds from the band, and they later broke up. These guys had a gold record, played in front of thousands of people, and were bankrupt when they finished. All of them have normal jobs today. The way these record companies chew artists up and spit them out is beyond sad.
And that’s why hip hop was born to stick it to them brotha! The drug dealer mindset that’s entered music has us fighting back against the major labels!
Not only that. Remember Napster? The record labels were suing people for thousands and thousands of dollars. Single moms, even 13 year old kids; they didn't give a single shit about who they forced into bankruptcy, all because they downloaded a few songs on the internet. Record labels are as close to the devil as anyone has ever been.
The best example of an indie band would be The Smiths, who signed to Rough Trade and maintained control over all their recordings, right down to the album's artwork.
I think Fugazi is kind of the ultimate band in that regard. Not just because they said no to a multimillion dollar record contract, not just because they stuck to their ideals when it comes to where they played and how much they charged, but because they put it out themselves on Dischord. A lot of bands out there could stand to learn from those guys. God knows there are good indie labels and bad indie labels out there; there are indie labels that rip people off, hold their masters hostage, stuff like that. The only way to make sure you get a fair deal is to go the DIY route.
There are so many other bands that could be in this documentary: Black Market Flowers, Campfire Girls, Polar Bear, Yeasterday's Tear, Bicycle Thief, Bluebird, Human Waste Project, Muzza Chunka & Seaweed just to name a few - This was an awesome time for music!
rad documentary. Was a little confused early on when some punk bands were named as alternative, and having members of punk and metal bands interviewed, but the film accurately explained, helped me learn, and was humbling.
I saw a lot of these bands in their infancy at the 7th Street entry and then a tour or two later they were in the main room of 1st Ave Mpls. The major labels either saw them in the Main Room again, festivals, theaters and opening for arena acts. Bands like the Chili Peppers and Pumpkins of course became arena acts in their own right.
The nineties were that last gasp for a lot of non-commercial and underground musics. That last opportunity for them to rise to some sort of commerciality and influence the next bunch of folks…
Reminds me of this band called Archers of Loaf I got into back then. Just an amazing band. Seriously, if you like this, you'll like them. They were so good and wrote these really original and still catchy songs. They had this amazing sound. But nothing ever really happened with them.
NOFX are retiring this year. 40 years of d.i.y. Said no to mtv. No to majors. I'd say rhey are quite financially set. Hard work though. They had to believe in themselves. All through the 80s.
San Diego in 1989-1995 was insanely fun and we had exceptional music. Jehu only scratches the surface. Listen to Pitchfork and then go check out (find) Boilermaker, Creedle, Inch. Oh yeah! This is a great documentary. Well done.
I read a really good guitar player said he puts out his own records cause he wants to, he said no one’s really interested in an old man so it makes sense !
Satchel - "Suffering" is my favorite song from the Beautiful Girls soundtrack. ..which also featured Indie bands Howlin' Maggie, The Afghan Whigs and Pete Droge and the Sinners.
Great soundtrack. If you like “Suffering”, you need to get everything that Shawn Smith has done. Satchel and Brad are amazing. Everything Greg Dulli does is worthwhile. Shawn, Dulli, and Happy Chichester from Howling Maggie did the 1st Twilight Singers album, which is a masterpiece. The Beautiful Girls soundtrack was the last thing I got after getting into Satchel and Afghan Whigs. I met Happy Chichester at a Brad show that he opened for and played with them in 2003. The song he did on the sdndtrk is HM’s best in my opinion. Good stuff.
Shawn Smith (Satchel, Brad, Pigeonhed) was a treasure. Sugartooth’s 2 albums are great. Failure’s Fantastic Planet is amazing (I have the cd with the frog on it and I need to familiarize myself with it). I only have Monster Magnet’s album “Dopes To Infinity” and it’s a solid album. Corrosion of Conformity’s “Deliverance” is a masterpiece. I have Quicksand’s album “Slip”. This was a fun documentary. Fishbone is pretty awesome. Being a teenager, musician, and huge music fan during the 90’s (my 1st album that I bought was in 1991) was great. Going to concerts at that time was really exciting with a sense of danger. It was a great time to be young. There was some great music that came out at that time and there’s still great music being made today. So many of these great bands’ CDs can be had for cheap. Enjoy!
Great doc. I never understood and still don’t is what happened to Helmet. They were great and had a big fan base where I lived and then they just disappeared.
Was 15 in 1990. Hated hair bands. Was in HS when grunge exploded and Alternative music. The music spoke to us. We were latch key kids. Our parents did not care about us. I worked a job year round in HS. After work. I would roam the streets in anger with my dad. I would vandalize cars and buildings while listening to NIN, Rollins band, clutch etc.
In reality everything is. Style music is sooooo cool through the center of centuries ago when mental development strategies get noticed music is great no matter what!!!!!!!! Today
The Afghan Whigs are my favorite band ever, signed to sub pop, a grunge label in Seattle. They were from ohio and were much more influenced by soul music than metal. Should have been huge. Buffalo Tom, Sugar, Chris Whitley, Paw, all great bands from the era.
The reason most of these bands didn't make it is because they didn't write great songs that appealed to a wide enough audience/ amount of people. The bands that got big wasn't an accident, it was because they had that one extra thing these bands didn't. The market has spoken and you're not invited.
There was a time when I loved the first GunsN Roses record and other bands in that vein like the Sea Hags, the Hang Men, Motorcycle Boy, the Black Crowes, the Nymphs, but also alternative bands like Jan'es Addiction, Pixies, Soundgarden, and Nirvana just as they were getting huge, and that was acceptable. But then the music press started to put everything in a box and essentially telling the kids they could only like grunge and everything from the 80's was shit. I found that insulting as if I can't have broad enough taste to enjoy all sorts of rock bands who were good in their own right. Grunge only had a handful of good bands in my opinion. Seeing so many talented bands getting dropped because they weren't grunge enough was criminal. Listen to a few Hangmen songs like 'Desperation Town' or 'Bent' and they have more in common with bands like Nirvana than the pop glam bands like Poison. I guarante you'll like that band or check out former Nymphs singer Inger Lorre's new record and hear the raw talent that Courtney Love tried to copy and even used her voice mail message on the Hole song Sassy!
Title should say, Rise of Grunge music! Alternative music started in late 70's early 80's. Danzig, The Clash, Black Flag, Fear, Sex Pistols, 7 Seconds, M.I.A, Youth Brigade, Exodus, King Diamond, Exploited, Conflict, GBH, Descendants, X!!!!!
To the guy narrating this video: You have no business reviewing the Butthole Surfers! You're trying to say Independent Worm Saloon sucked?? Well that's just BS!
No real underground bands, other than Big Black's brief mention, and Albini mentioning Killdozer. Where was Slint? The Happy Flowers, Chrome, Swans, etc. etc.
In Britain in 1989 unless you had the connections or lived in London or Manchester etc , it was up to national radio DJs Janice Long , Nick & Liz Kershaw ,John Peel or Annie Nightingale to expose people to new music of this ilk . I didn’t trust the NME etc after a reviewer called Swells told his readers an album by Hurrah ! was the most relevant album since Never Mind The Bollocks. Those presenters did so much for music in 2 hour shows & deserve fucking statues in my opinion.
The NME was full of crap, Swells was actually one of their better writers. I saw Hurrah! supporting The Stranglers in 1987, I recall they were ok but didn't leave much lasting impression on me. I think you mean Andy Kershaw by the way, Nik Kershaw was someone completely different!
@@Ritff666l-e9e we had an Alternative Rock station here that used to play all of those bands and now there is none and all we got is the crap rap they make today an it sucks too
For a music movement who's "ideology" was "F" the system they sure couldn't wait to join it them piss n' moan about how everyone else (except them) are sheep, like EVERY MOVEMENT. Just play music and leave your politics and ego at the door.
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The influence of the first Iraq war is so overlooked in covering this era.
Three of my friends were recalled by the Army, pulled out of college, and dropped into a desert war.
We slam danced their last weekend and left all our anger on the floor and walked home sweaty, glowing and deeply aware that it was the end of an era. Sh*t got real.
What some of these guys say about major labels is absolutely true. I know three guys from a band I will not name that had a big hit in the late 90s/Early 2000s on their debut album. They got as high as #28 on Billboard, got heavy airplay on VH1 and MTV, and the album went gold. They went on tour opening for one of the most famous bands in history and playing stadium shows all over the world. When the tour was over, they found out that the owed the label money due to their contractural obligations. To make matters worse, they found out that the manager of one of the band members had embezzled funds from the band, and they later broke up. These guys had a gold record, played in front of thousands of people, and were bankrupt when they finished. All of them have normal jobs today. The way these record companies chew artists up and spit them out is beyond sad.
And that’s why hip hop was born to stick it to them brotha! The drug dealer mindset that’s entered music has us fighting back against the major labels!
Jesus man
So all a band can do is play shows to get paid ?
You always lose when playing dice with the devil. Even these rappers who are all pons to these devils
Not only that. Remember Napster? The record labels were suing people for thousands and thousands of dollars. Single moms, even 13 year old kids; they didn't give a single shit about who they forced into bankruptcy, all because they downloaded a few songs on the internet. Record labels are as close to the devil as anyone has ever been.
I love alternative!!!
I've had to pause this video three times to stop and play My guitar 🎸🎶
The best example of an indie band would be The Smiths, who signed to Rough Trade and maintained control over all their recordings, right down to the album's artwork.
I think Fugazi is kind of the ultimate band in that regard. Not just because they said no to a multimillion dollar record contract, not just because they stuck to their ideals when it comes to where they played and how much they charged, but because they put it out themselves on Dischord.
A lot of bands out there could stand to learn from those guys. God knows there are good indie labels and bad indie labels out there; there are indie labels that rip people off, hold their masters hostage, stuff like that. The only way to make sure you get a fair deal is to go the DIY route.
The Smiths were literally the first band to be labeled indie. It didn't exist before them. Best band of all time.
There are so many other bands that could be in this documentary: Black Market Flowers, Campfire Girls, Polar Bear, Yeasterday's Tear, Bicycle Thief, Bluebird, Human Waste Project, Muzza Chunka & Seaweed just to name a few - This was an awesome time for music!
Campfire girls... great cd.
rad documentary. Was a little confused early on when some punk bands were named as alternative, and having members of punk and metal bands interviewed, but the film accurately explained, helped me learn, and was humbling.
I saw a lot of these bands in their infancy at the 7th Street entry and then a tour or two later they were in the main room of 1st Ave Mpls. The major labels either saw them in the Main Room again, festivals, theaters and opening for arena acts. Bands like the Chili Peppers and Pumpkins of course became arena acts in their own right.
As someone who played in a band in the 90's, I am wondering how any of these bands would go now?
The nineties were that last gasp for a lot of non-commercial and underground musics.
That last opportunity for them to rise to some sort of commerciality and influence the next bunch of folks…
Fantastic documentary!!!
Reminds me of this band called Archers of Loaf I got into back then. Just an amazing band. Seriously, if you like this, you'll like them. They were so good and wrote these really original and still catchy songs. They had this amazing sound. But nothing ever really happened with them.
GREAT DOC
Sunny Day Real Estate is the band that makes me want to break my rule of having no favorite band
I enjoyed your documentary and appreciate your hard work making it! Well Done! 🌟
"...AC/DC opening up for Pink Floyd." That would be AWESOME! 😁
The most insane line is right at the end.
I like how Joey Castillo is sitting in front of a large framed photograph of the great Mississippi Fred McDowell. That is a statement right there.
NOFX are retiring this year.
40 years of d.i.y. Said no to mtv.
No to majors.
I'd say rhey are quite financially set.
Hard work though.
They had to believe in themselves.
All through the 80s.
🤘
San Diego in 1989-1995 was insanely fun and we had exceptional music. Jehu only scratches the surface. Listen to Pitchfork and then go check out (find) Boilermaker, Creedle, Inch. Oh yeah! This is a great documentary. Well done.
I read a really good guitar player said he puts out his own records cause he wants to, he said no one’s really interested in an old man so it makes sense !
Watching from Greece.hi everybody.
Very interesting documentary.great video.
Don't remember Only Living Witness at all. Love what I heard in the doc!
They were pretty big in the hardcore and metal scenes.
Good times!
RIP Steve Albini
Satchel - "Suffering" is my favorite song from the Beautiful Girls soundtrack. ..which also featured Indie bands Howlin' Maggie, The Afghan Whigs and Pete Droge and the Sinners.
Great soundtrack. If you like “Suffering”, you need to get everything that Shawn Smith has done. Satchel and Brad are amazing. Everything Greg Dulli does is worthwhile. Shawn, Dulli, and Happy Chichester from Howling Maggie did the 1st Twilight Singers album, which is a masterpiece. The Beautiful Girls soundtrack was the last thing I got after getting into Satchel and Afghan Whigs. I met Happy Chichester at a Brad show that he opened for and played with them in 2003. The song he did on the sdndtrk is HM’s best in my opinion. Good stuff.
Shawn Smith (Satchel, Brad, Pigeonhed) was a treasure. Sugartooth’s 2 albums are great. Failure’s Fantastic Planet is amazing (I have the cd with the frog on it and I need to familiarize myself with it). I only have Monster Magnet’s album “Dopes To Infinity” and it’s a solid album. Corrosion of Conformity’s “Deliverance” is a masterpiece. I have Quicksand’s album “Slip”. This was a fun documentary. Fishbone is pretty awesome. Being a teenager, musician, and huge music fan during the 90’s (my 1st album that I bought was in 1991) was great. Going to concerts at that time was really exciting with a sense of danger. It was a great time to be young. There was some great music that came out at that time and there’s still great music being made today. So many of these great bands’ CDs can be had for cheap. Enjoy!
I haven't even seen the words monster magnet together in a sentence in 20 years. Seems like last year
EPIC
Shoutout to the ACTUAL Alternative Generation !
Great doc. I never understood and still don’t is what happened to Helmet. They were great and had a big fan base where I lived and then they just disappeared.
They are back again.
Was 15 in 1990. Hated hair bands. Was in HS when grunge exploded and Alternative music. The music spoke to us. We were latch key kids. Our parents did not care about us. I worked a job year round in HS. After work. I would roam the streets in anger with my dad. I would vandalize cars and buildings while listening to NIN, Rollins band, clutch etc.
Nah, you just had shitty parents.
Alternative Music is older than the 90s
You are just not really the Generation
I need a soundtrack album for this video…
Bring our music back
Bring it back your damn self
Dude there allsome.
I had an appartement behind CBGB's load-in in '78-79... Got the t-shirt. The children of progress must confess+++
In reality everything is. Style music is sooooo cool through the center of centuries ago when mental development strategies get noticed music is great no matter what!!!!!!!! Today
Well said.
The Afghan Whigs are my favorite band ever, signed to sub pop, a grunge label in Seattle. They were from ohio and were much more influenced by soul music than metal. Should have been huge. Buffalo Tom, Sugar, Chris Whitley, Paw, all great bands from the era.
Fucking awesome to see Girls Against Boys pop up a couple of times. Love that band
TOOL...NIN....RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
Never heard of them
LOVELY
The reason most of these bands didn't make it is because they didn't write great songs that appealed to a wide enough audience/ amount of people. The bands that got big wasn't an accident, it was because they had that one extra thing these bands didn't. The market has spoken and you're not invited.
There was a time when I loved the first GunsN Roses record and other bands in that vein like the Sea Hags, the Hang Men, Motorcycle Boy, the Black Crowes, the Nymphs, but also alternative bands like Jan'es Addiction, Pixies, Soundgarden, and Nirvana just as they were getting huge, and that was acceptable. But then the music press started to put everything in a box and essentially telling the kids they could only like grunge and everything from the 80's was shit. I found that insulting as if I can't have broad enough taste to enjoy all sorts of rock bands who were good in their own right. Grunge only had a handful of good bands in my opinion. Seeing so many talented bands getting dropped because they weren't grunge enough was criminal. Listen to a few Hangmen songs like 'Desperation Town' or 'Bent' and they have more in common with bands like Nirvana than the pop glam bands like Poison. I guarante you'll like that band or check out former Nymphs singer Inger Lorre's new record and hear the raw talent that Courtney Love tried to copy and even used her voice mail message on the Hole song Sassy!
Bob Mould
🤘🏼🤘🏼
Yep, Green Day and Nu Metal were the harbingers of doom.
Green Day Sucks. Nu Metal is cool. You suck
@@deckert66 Nu Metal is the worst
Guess I’m glad my grunge band from 1993 never made it big 😊
Title should say, Rise of Grunge music! Alternative music started in late 70's early 80's. Danzig, The Clash, Black Flag, Fear, Sex Pistols, 7 Seconds, M.I.A, Youth Brigade, Exodus, King Diamond, Exploited, Conflict, GBH, Descendants, X!!!!!
Grunge is Alternative
We grew up with all that
lol
To the guy narrating this video: You have no business reviewing the Butthole Surfers! You're trying to say Independent Worm Saloon sucked?? Well that's just BS!
I just like loud guitars.
NINE BAR STREET , from London 1994.
Yeah the record company's came to collect their souls in the end. So sad
Nice one but the indi Label s can N do what major do food dropped all acts when EMI did the deal with food over Blur etc
No real underground bands, other than Big Black's brief mention, and Albini mentioning Killdozer. Where was Slint? The Happy Flowers, Chrome, Swans, etc. etc.
In Britain in 1989 unless you had the connections or lived in London or Manchester etc , it was up to national radio DJs Janice Long , Nick & Liz Kershaw ,John Peel or Annie Nightingale to expose people to new music of this ilk . I didn’t trust the NME etc after a reviewer called Swells told his readers an album by Hurrah ! was the most relevant album since Never Mind The Bollocks. Those presenters did so much for music in 2 hour shows & deserve fucking statues in my opinion.
The NME was full of crap, Swells was actually one of their better writers. I saw Hurrah! supporting The Stranglers in 1987, I recall they were ok but didn't leave much lasting impression on me.
I think you mean Andy Kershaw by the way, Nik Kershaw was someone completely different!
Exsellence until govt took it from us
Wish those days again...bad music is all around
Korn , Tool , Rage , NiN , LP , AiC , STP , White Zombie , Slip Knot , I want it back
Not Alternative Most Of It
@@Ritff666l-e9e we had an Alternative Rock station here that used to play all of those bands and now there is none and all we got is the crap rap they make today an it sucks too
I guess my comment was deleted?? Shout out to the homies Bryan and James from downset.
Toadies, Placebo, COC, Helmet, Sunny Day Real Estate, God Lives Under Water, SELF, Cornershop, Hum, The Urge
going to iraq was NOT the conservative "way!" learn your enemy.
😂I bet these guys support the war in Ukraine though! That's why I hate liberals
How was it not? A conservative president started the war for pure demagogic and money-grabbing reasons. Colonialism is always right wing.
REMY ZERO RIP Greg Slay Sleepwell loppybogymi
revivin fast tempo melodies nor symphonies lolz beats per minute above triple digtalz numberz boyz and grlz dznce to the rytzhm of ur own heartz bzts
For a music movement who's "ideology" was "F" the system they sure couldn't wait to join it them piss n' moan about how everyone else (except them) are sheep, like EVERY MOVEMENT. Just play music and leave your politics and ego at the door.
Nope
Where's Dave grohl!!
alternative was a blip. you got chewd. you got spitted. blip. blip.
You're not intelligent enough to have opinions on anything, ever.
No. It is way older than people think.
And we never went away
"Bands like Madonna and Janet Jackson..." "you know pure shit"!! LOL
lol He is from '' Nu Metal ''
Funny how most punks are uber conservative now, and always have been
lol Most aren't, and never were
Poor americans didn't know about alternative music ...