Watched Punk doc yesterday; and AS i am watching this one about Chicago, i hear that Steve Albini passed away yesterday...the algorithm may have led me to watch this today. The music is excellent; especially love the description of the Punk scene first starting there before there was a "uniform"..
I was too young for part of this but really hit the hardcore/pink scene from like ‘84-‘88. Saw every show you can imagine - Metro, Cubby Bear, Rusty Nail, Orbit, The Bank, Dreamerz, Avalon and who can forget The Exploited at Medusa’s. Wax Trax, The Alley, Oz Park, Yum Yum Donuts…man, those were fun times! I still have crates of all my lps and 45s and like every flyer from that era!
Most likely I know you from Medusa or Orbit Room. I married the DJ Bud Sweet and bartended and co-managed numerous clubs back then including The Orbit Room, Medusa, Neo, Smart Bar, Metro, Club 950 etc. The ONLY major club I never worked at was Exit but I partied there plenty! My very first job in the Chicago Punk Club Scene was as an Elevator Girl when Smart Bar was UPSTAIRS and only learned about by word of mouth and sometimes invitation only! I also worked the door at Medusa’s on some nights and many of the people in this documentary I know because I either partied with them, got the drinks to them, and even had a few dates with one of band leaders…although he wouldn’t recognize my name since I had to change it (long story). I went to Northern in DeKalb with him and had dated Gregg; the head of the Concert Committee when we were at Northern. All this garbage about the punk scene being confined to the city of Chicago is a load of crap! I personally partied with The Ramones, The Police, saw The Jam and The Buzzcocks at a very large mall in the suburbs, and saw The Pretenders at a very small old theater conversion in Wisconsin (Milwaukee I think). Frankie Nordiello from TTKC is like a brother to me, Al Jourgenson of Ministry and several branch bands is a friend, took my ex-husband on tour as there sound man, and who I sewed for before they left for Canada. I was at one of their early concerts at the Park West and have LOTS of musician, artist, writer, photographer, clothing designer, hairstylist, makeup artist, graphic designer, restaurateur, celebrity chef, fine dining server, bartender, cocktail waitress, door men, DJ, and club owner friends from all around the world! Noe Boudreaux who owned Le Mere Vipere was one of my very best friends up until he crossed over…RIP 🕊️❤️
My Father was the front man/rhythm guitarist for Mist at 19:06. Wild to see. They opened up for A.C.D.C.'s first U.S. show not knowing what they would become. Played all over the Midwest as a cover bad. Alexas Urba even did their band photo promos. One of Playboys most early noted photographers. Rock and Roll may change but it will never die.
I missed this era, but grew up in the Chicago late 90's scene. Great town. Real people. Good times. I live in CA now, but miss the city. Not much pretense going on over there.
I remember going to shows, having shows, in the Chicagoland area scene in the late 90s. Bands like MIKE, M.y.o.p.i.a., Penny and the Loafers, Alkaline Trio, Hot Stove Jimmy, The Pillagers, Plain White Tees, the Seventies etc
I've been listening to punk since I was twelve. I'm almost 60, but have been a part of the Chicago scene since the beginning. The late 90s had some great bands come out of Chicago that were/are just as good as the bands featured in You Weren't There. Spare Change is still out there and rocking out, to name but one band from that time. The Fireside Bow was THE place to go to see great bands all through the 90s. Hope California is treating you well.
Contrary to what people tend to believe, it's the 'Music' that will prevail and last. Of course there must have been lots of fights and feuds amongst bands, but the person who enjoyed it, at that time, doesn't care! I was on the other side of the Ocean (in Europe), and we were waiting for any new band coming from thoses places, no one cared (or was even aware), about problems amongst 'bands'. I can say 'Hard-Core' changed my life (for the better!), and still influences me as a musician/composer, although, there's not much people left to carry the 'torch'. Still kicking...!
Yes, sadly there were divisions within the Chicago scene at the time, most notably a rivalry between Articles of Faith and Effigies, with fans boycotting shows. Also, while Steve Albini was part of the scene, and played no small role, starting with the formation of Big Black, his opinions created further divisions in the scene, even though that might not have been his intention. Sadly there are many glaring omissions in this documentary, like NO MENTION of Space Place whatsoever, but as somebody who actually WAS there, this film gives a historical, and accurate description of what was going on in the Chicago punk community at the time. (RIP JOHN KEZDY)
There are still some of us carrying the torch…you’d probably be surprised. Check out the various Club Reunions that are usually held once a year and often at other clubs because several of the original clubs don’t exist anymore. I’m trying to get the owner of Smart Bar/Metro to re-open the original Smart Bar when it was upstairs for special occasions. I was their first elevator girl before I started cocktail waitressing!
Im 53 years old, and when i was a kid, fanzines were pretty much the only way to discover new bands if you were a metalhead, punk or goth, as none of those genres were spoken about anywhere on the media. You couldn't just search the internet, nor would they be in any published book or magazine. It was almost impossible to immerse yourself in any genre that wasn't mainstream unless you knew someone in it. Our heads would've spun if we knew a few decades later, just any dork could be claim to be part of the scene and not just a wannabe. Lol we would've hated that! Haha it was very exclusive back then. Also we were seen as totally degenerate with the satanic panic and whatnot. Its cool that everyone has access now, but it also kinda sucks....idk.
Fanzines, and, at least in Chicago, certain record stores were the lifeline of what was happening in the local punk community. Many is the time I would go to Wax Trax to find out who was coming to town, or when the next local show would be. Wax Trax always had flyers advertising shows, but at the clubs, and in somebody's basement.
@@nankypooh655 I'm Australian. We don't have major cities nearby, or countries or continents. Being into underground music back in the day was the stuff of miracles where I come from. A miracle that fanzines made possible.
@@freelanceopportunist559 You had your work cut out for you, but I'll bet everybody in your scene probably supported it, and you probably had great bands nobody outside of your scene ever heard of. But the world still thanks you for The Saints, (At least the first two albums) Radio Birdman, and Celibate Rifles. I like Amyl and The Sniffers, and The Chats just fine, but I consider them punk in sound only, and not the genuine article. Australia is both a country AND a continent, so be proud of who you are, take stock in what you have, support your own scene, and if the bands are good, support them, and ROCK ON!🤘
I got into punk in the early 90’s and at that time it was still flyers at record shops, zines, especially zines from overseas, older people at record shops. Its slowly dried up. I’m from probably ten years after you. I do think you should put in effort for punk to be punk. There’s a lot of songs in this that I have not heard and as soon as the music kicks in, my hair stands on end.
It sometimes took me months or years to get ahold of records (cassettes) or hear bands I'd read about, read interviews with or see on someones shirt. When I did, whole albums got played excessively, in entirety for months, shaping a part of my life and Identity. I think that's been lost with the fingertip availability of anything and everything. I know it has.
I live in the city of Orange in OC and I used to take drum lessons from Bud Guagh (Floyd) not when the original Sublime..They had just started the Long Beach Dub All-Stars. I'm not giving my name But I ended up being a filler for a ton of bands. Some known and some that didn't make a real name for themselves. One real fun band I had the pleasure of playing 6 songs with Because I met Spike at a karaoke/sushi place and he was there with family members. Extremely nice guy . I gave him my email address and so a week went by and I figured oh well wishful thinking...well I got tan email and asked me if I wanted to perform on stage at punk rock bowling....it was Awesome!
Check out these Black punk bands that very few people have heard of. Highly skilled musicians - no 'three chords and an attitude' here: Death - For The Whole World To See (1975, released 2009) Pure Hell - Noise Addiction (1978, released 1995)
Great idea and I know people who could do it. Maybe I’ll pass on your suggestion, they can fill in some other gaps they missed (there needs to be more focus on the women in the scene and there were plenty of us including girl bands), and release this anew and also release it in theaters to be played internationally!
I got to Chicago in 79 (from NYC), there was no punk scene. A handful of bands (including mine), a handful of clubs willing to let us play. Hardly a scene. I got back to Chicago (Wicker Park, coincidentally) in the early 90s, that's when things were happening.
Nah…they were definitely happening when you first came. You just didn’t know where to go because some of the clubs were word of mouth only. Le Mere was the first to punk DANCE club in the world! There most definitely a scene!
Born in 99 and studied archaeology but this is the one era of human history I wish I could go back and experience. So jealous I missed out on this scene
As an aging punk there's a lot of looking back at the times in the past and condemning the idiots and jocks and cowboys who would hassle you for being punk, and not to much recognition that we were looking for that special thing that would get us hassled. If you went on the street on no one called you a fig, next time you tried to look more like a fig. That's kind of what it was about.
You're only scratching the surface. You're not even mentioning being refused service at stores and restaurants, being followed around by the store and mall dicks, getting harassed by the cops just because they didn't like the way you looked, being a victim of "Ped Hunts" or getting into fights at parties because you liked punk rock. We were making history at the time and didn't even know it. I sometimes think about all the people who hassled us, and how they must've reacted when their kids would rather listen to Green Day, Blink 182, and Nirvana, rather than Led Zepplin, Journey, and Aerosmith. If it hadn't been for Husker Du, Black Flag, and The Descendents, these bands wouldn't even exist! We did good.
When I went to an (admittedly sub par) Sonic Youth show in the mid 90s and saw a group of loud jocks wearing black nail polish and Nine Inch Nails t shirts I knew it was cooked.
Not quite. You would have a better understanding if you were a female elevator girl, cigarette girl, cocktail waitress, bartender, DJ or even band member and just wanted to live your life without constantly getting harassed and threatened. Or had drive by spitters who were hocking loogies out their car window a walk until like a uniformjust for looking like you did as you walked to work. Or the times people surrounded your car or slammed into it when you went to Mothers on Rush to hang out until your bouncer boyfriend got off work. Or the countless times you were made fun of, stared and pointed at, called names, were denied seating in some restaurants, and assumed to be a slacker and a slut when all you were trying to do was eat fucking breakfast after you’d worked your ass off at a 4 o’clock bar and spent the weekend night at a club where they actually bussed people in to watch the freak show or circus or whatever they thought we were as they gawked at us and made stupid snide comments or grabbed their own drink off a full tray of drinks that went crashing to the floor! I dumped full trays of drinks more than once for some creep telling me I should smile more or thinking it was perfectly OK to touch me or anything on my tray. The assholes who were fucking with my money by trying to bail on drinks or trying to pass a $20 as a $100 bill were rapidly escorted out without even knowing why! One glance and a head nod at a bouncer was usually all that was necessary by me! 😂
I can't remember if Sunday Morning Nightmare was WHPK or WZRD, otherwise I would advise you to contact the university where the radio station was located. (WZRD was northeastern University, and WHPK was University of Chicago) WNUR was the radio station of Northwestern University, and on Saturday Night they had Fast and Loud which was four glorious hours of everything punk. Great to listen to on a Saturday night if there were no shows, and you had no place to go, and nothing to do.
TUTU AND THE PIRATES, LOL! "I WANT TO BE A JANITOR" 😂😅😊! USING A PLUNGER AS A PROP AND A TOILET SEAT GUITAR! LOL! 😂😅😊😂❤❤❤! HOW MAGNIFICENT!!!! IT CAN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!!! 👍 AND THEY SOUND GREAT ON TOP OF IT TOO!!! 😊❤!!!
This is great. For some reason I never thought of Chicago having a punk scene. I was still too little for any scene back then. In the 80s I went to school in the outlying town of Elwood, IL. I hated it.
I missed Mere Vipere but lived for Wax Tracks, the only place to get vinyl from NY and London. We would trudge North from Hyde Park, Very interesting, all this. It was great to hear people talking about how narrow-minded it was then. Demolition Derby, all that i was happy to leave in 81.
For a movement that seems to take pride in being a bunch of castoffs and misfits, I've always found it fascinating how judgemental they actually are. Interesting.
Well, here's another I WAS THERE person. (And I can tell you there are some glaring omissions in this film, like no mention of DV8, who were a very good band, and had one record out, or The Space Place, which was the FIRST all ages music club in Chicago as far aback as 1980 even before Oz, and had Black Flag play there. Ministry was formed there, and Bauhaus played their very first Chicago concert there. To not talk about Space Place when doing a documentary about the fisrt generation of Chicago punk is like doing a documentary on The British Invasion, and not mentioning The Dave Clark Five)
That was my LIFE for around 10 years! What a time to be alive…born in 1960, grew up in the 1960-70s, and had the good sense to take a break from college and dive right into the mosh pit! 😅
b52s are not punk. Black Flag is punk. Cromags is hardcore. Circle Jerks is punk. Misfits, and Dead Kennedys are punk. Talking Heads, Thompson Twins, Blondie , and The Cure are not pumk at all. They have punk influences but not punk bands
@@michaelcassady1289 No, Thompson Twins AREN'T punk. Blondie were considered punk only for being part of the first generation of bands that got their start at CBGB, but they really got their musical cues from 60s girl groups like The Angels, The Ronettes, and The Shangri Las. Some of their early music does have a punk element, though, but even the band themesleves said they didn't really like being referred to as a punk band, nor did they want to be lumped in with The Ramones, DeadBoys, or Heartbreakers. And early Cure WAS actually punk, but, other than the single, Killing and Arab, and, to a lesser extent, Boys Don't Cry are really the only examples of how close they ever got to punk. And I disagree with you about The B-52s. Their first album is totally PUNK! Maybe you disagree, and, considering the direction they went after Wild Planet, I can understand why people wouldn't consider them a punk band. People say the same thing about Are We Not Men, by DEVO, and that was punk as all get out!
My friends and I ran around Chicago as young, dumb punk skaters in the late '80s - early '90s...it was rough business at those shows and all over...stompin' out p.o.s. N@zi skinheads is hard work. And fun as can be! 😁 And then there was The Alley & Wax Trax to hang around...and the "Punkin Donuts"...and Medusas...blahblahblah Alas, those winters are too brutal and I had had enough of the Midwest and have been a Pacific Northwesterner for 30 years now
this was really great to watch...... unfortunately there are, ironically, far too many rules you need to follow to be a part of the 'punk' scene Edited to unfortunately add RIP Steve Albini
Love these guys but the end with all of them crying over the new generation just reminds me of my parents complaining because they don’t understand something. You don’t like the punk genre now…Boo fucking hoo!
I find it hard to believe there was only one female group? Although it's made clear that they couldn't get any gigs which doesn't bode well. I wasn't there, genuinely curious.
Ya, kenangan-kenangan ini mungkin berasal dari keluarga yang menyedihkan. Menjadi pengemis bukanlah nasib menjadi pahlawan adalah pilihan...😂😂 yang aku tahu musik hardcore adalah punk dan itu menjadi kesenangan saat remaja
This is all about the Northside you guys totally missed about the hegewisch area in the south side they had a very thriving hardcore punk bands like Johnny vomit, the outkast, the Dobermans, zyklon b, dick slappers,Klub Poppa you need to go back and reevaluate this video add on the whole Chicago area
@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse There must have been two bands called that the one I know was a underground punk metal from the Chicago area back in the early mid 80's
This focuses on the first generation of Punk Rock, and Johnny Vomit didn't appear on the scene until 1986 at the earliest. All these other bands are second generation, after 1984. But, you do bring up a good point about lack of focus on The South Side, but they mostly kept to themselves. I mean almost nobody remembers The Torpedoes, who released Damn The Heartbreakers in 1983, or Certain Death who started releasing their own cassettes in 1984, and the Dial-A-Trance compilation. Also, End Result were from the south side, especially The Smith Brothers, who were actually form the Bridgeport neighborhood.
Not to be critical, but what, exactly are you trying to say? I mean Fugazi A)were from The D.C. area B) Existed in the 90s, and C) Had NO PART in The Chicago scene. I mean, it's nice that you're enthusiastic about good music, but your post can be rather confusing.
No. Usually it’s pulled automatically from TH-cam. Trust me. They licensed the music for the film and it appeared in theatre and DVD. It’s just TH-cam being TH-cam
I was there beginning in 1977, and, I have to admit some of the people do come across with a certain sense of elitism and entitlement, but I think it's really a question of been there done that more than anything. I knew End Result personally, so I sort of understand their attitude. Vic Bondi was a jerk then, is a jerk now, and will always be a jerk. Everybody else in Articles of Faith, especially Dorien and Viru X were/are cool people, though.
@@stevilkenevil9960 Fair. I do think my extended group were hilariously self deprecating and open to other types. But in general, you are likely spot on. My encounter with Steve Albini, however, would likely make him cringe horribly at least I would hope. It is a great story but too long to type out. What an absolute d bag moment from him. Still a genius and likely not what he was really like.
@janeburns7673 I lived it. I was the dirt head that lived at "the punk house". First thing I told those boys was that Metallica does better covers of misfits songs than the misfits themselves. Lmao you could have heard a pin drop 🤣 😂
fucking awesome I remember ROTA coming to NY. Me and my cousin hung out with them. I think he was a penpal with them for years afterwards. we interviewed for our fanzine Attitude. what a great fucking time
These bands are all very good, and Kansas City had most of the same downsides as Chicago punk but with less upsides and only a handful of decent bands. Lots of black transvestites in KC too. It's similar but different than Chicago at the same time. Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, and the bigger coastal bands would end up at the American Legion and stuff. The scene over in Lawrence in Kansas was better, but it only emerged after 1985 at the Outhouse. Check out the documentary online called the Outhouse the Movie, if you can find it. Circle Jerks was my first show there. I'm 52.
In England we had years off pub rock that chatted shown on TV plus garage acts in LP charts so when punk happend it was like newGlam rock which was pop music
If you can find them, you should check out their two albums. The first is an unreleased demo from when they were first around in the late 1970s, the second is their reunion album. Both are excellent.
There were plenty that was different. Chicago bands had their own sound. Plus in places like New York, San Francisco, SoCal, and London, the punk communities were bigger so there was more support, and more of a buffer, whereas Chicago, and the midwest in general at the time, people still listened to what is now called "Classic" rock, so not only was punk a lot less popular in Chicago, people tended to be more reactionary towards it, and more often than not, in a very negative way. A lot of times this would lead to unnecessary violence and police harassment. Like the title of the movie says YOU WEREN'T THERE! You truly HAD to be there to ave any understanding.
@nankypooh655 I guess Des Moines, Albuquerque, Boise, etc... could make movies with the same name and similar experiences. I'd say they may have gotten more hell.
@@reeb9016 I'd have to go through all my old copies of Maximum Rock and Roll, but these places did have their own scene at one time. And you're right, they would've gotten more Hell than Chicago, especially in the early to mid 80s.
@nankypooh655 That's all I'm saying. Today, no one blinks at someone appearing different. They're ringing you up at the store. The 80s, no matter where you lived, it rubbed people wrong. Also what made it enjoyable.
I turned 13 in 1983. I was at some of those all ages shows in McHenry County cause my friends had older brothers, LOL ROTA Wholly shit I had totally forgotten about Verboten?!? I never saw them but I heard about them, the band of kids my age. You grow old and become the villain, but gate keeps like Steve A always were dicks. XD Kids these days
If they did a globally 2 LP set of Chicago Acid House my be a Box SET of Chicago punk N Hard core ( Inc the new wave power pop tie stuff as a bit off pop history
Give my best to Vic Bondi…we knew each other from Northern although he wouldn’t recognize my name. Tell him Greg’s (President of the Concert Committee at NU) old girlfriend says 👋! We had one or two sorta dates when he was in limbo about his girlfriend, Debbie, who was my suite mate and who was roommates with Sally. I was in the single next door.
1:10:40 that’s funny. Almost everyone I know who enlisted post 9/11 were and are huge punk rock fans, and almost everyone I know who is a punker enlisted.
My dad said that the punk scene in england from 76 to 80 was first wave people dressed black binbags and paperclips in noses and they used to spit on the bands if they liked them 😂 80 - 83 other movements like oi singing about drinking, fighting and football and lefty commie bands singing about veganism and shit... 85 - poser punks started with massive coloured mohalks ripped jeans my dad and hos brother's couldn't stand them. My uncle was in a local Manchester band no idea what they called but they were like a joy division kind of sound about 81 ish. Punks and skins would turn up and just smash each other to bits with sticks and flick knives. He also, said it was a crazy time to be a young man fighting at the football then playing music at some dirty student place. Hahha sorry for the long story.
Lmao at the end when they're yaking about "ehh get your own scene. You should be annoying me." Nowadays we do have our scene. The reason you haven't heard it is because it's just as underground (or right below the surface) as yours was. It definitely looks and sounds much more diverse now too. Don't worry, grampy. We're on it lol.
"ItS mUCh mOrE DiVerSE nOw" Ugh! Good job valuing exactly what they told you to in school; how rebellious. And yeah PUNK was really SOOOO discriminatory against DIFFERENT people back then 😂 fucking conformist
You know what isn't punk? Ageism. I am aware there is some good stuff coming out of the punk/post punk scene today. I have encountered too many who like to pose as punk but resort to vomitous sexist, racist, ageist, homophobic shit. Too bad you missed out
@@DJarry394 eh, it comes back around, trust me. I'm sure these guys could handle the heckling anyway, especially given the context. I took what he said as a friendly challenge, what I said was comical reassurance. I'd gladly say it to his face and shake his hand. Definitely wasn't being hateful and definitely punching up, which is indeed, pretty punk, not that it matters lol.
@@inr2412 K. I mean light hearted ribbing is ok, but I get sick of the “granny” shit. Women have different experiences. Once a Mohawked kid really took it up several notches. I hung out with the Mohawk crowd. Back in the 80s they were friends, and never gave me any shit. My head was shaved back when women didn’t do that. This moron was downright obscene. This was verbal sexual harassment when I was just wanting to be left alone. I did dress him down as a poseur. He shut the fuck up. I’ve been a punk for decades, in one form or another, I simply hate it when obscene misogynistic trash talk is randomly thrown my way. What woman wants that? This was high school shit, and I had no time for it
@@DJarry394 you know what isn't punk? Giving a shit about offending anyone. If I could, I'd say a bunch of homophobic, racist, sexist things to you! None of which I believe in, but because they're your "sacred cows" & I piss on those.
@@nankypooh655 I was there, Space Place was GREAT ! Bring your own alcohol and drugs, crummy bands with bad acoustics, no age limit, bouncers or I.D. Police raids, no fighting but lots of aggression, really creative fashions. Like a zoo or an insane asylum, but afterwards everyone spilled out onto the streets and alleys and faded away. Beautiful girls, ugly boys, free to be present no matter what. My friend lived just behind WaxTrax, we frequented Exit, Smartbar. Much fun was had until it closed down. Dark, unfurnished, graffitied , - anarchic par excellence because nobody was making much money off it, so only youth energy kept it full.
It would be so cool If the filmmakers Just MADE UP “tutu and the pirates” Spinal Tap style Because what an amazing forgery that would be 😂 #mandelaeffect
And meanwhile 90 mins north in Milwaukee we didn't have this many problems, allot of metalheads turned to punk and thrash and we got along, we had the benefit of these bands coming to play in Milwaukee, Naked raygun was great, I saw smashing pumpkins with like 25 people the first few times in a basement bar, I didn't pay any attention the first time then they got kinda poular lol
Watched Punk doc yesterday; and AS i am watching this one about Chicago, i hear that Steve Albini passed away yesterday...the algorithm may have led me to watch this today. The music is excellent; especially love the description of the Punk scene first starting there before there was a "uniform"..
Phil Donahue just croaked and he's in this doc too
Fuck. 😢
I was too young for part of this but really hit the hardcore/pink scene from like ‘84-‘88. Saw every show you can imagine - Metro, Cubby Bear, Rusty Nail, Orbit, The Bank, Dreamerz, Avalon and who can forget The Exploited at Medusa’s. Wax Trax, The Alley, Oz Park, Yum Yum Donuts…man, those were fun times! I still have crates of all my lps and 45s and like every flyer from that era!
I have ministry on waxx trax!!
At the metro for D/k & black flag when those broke out in riots.
I worked at most of those clubs and friends with most of those business owners. Great times!
Wow…Jim and Danny were babies then. RIP ☺️
Most likely I know you from Medusa or Orbit Room. I married the DJ Bud Sweet and bartended and co-managed numerous clubs back then including The Orbit Room, Medusa, Neo, Smart Bar, Metro, Club 950 etc. The ONLY major club I never worked at was Exit but I partied there plenty!
My very first job in the Chicago Punk Club Scene was as an Elevator Girl when Smart Bar was UPSTAIRS and only learned about by word of mouth and sometimes invitation only!
I also worked the door at Medusa’s on some nights and many of the people in this documentary I know because I either partied with them, got the drinks to them, and even had a few dates with one of band leaders…although he wouldn’t recognize my name since I had to change it (long story). I went to Northern in DeKalb with him and had dated Gregg; the head of the Concert Committee when we were at Northern. All this garbage about the punk scene being confined to the city of Chicago is a load of crap! I personally partied with The Ramones, The Police, saw The Jam and The Buzzcocks at a very large mall in the suburbs, and saw The Pretenders at a very small old theater conversion in Wisconsin (Milwaukee I think). Frankie Nordiello from TTKC is like a brother to me, Al Jourgenson of Ministry and several branch bands is a friend, took my ex-husband on tour as there sound man, and who I sewed for before they left for Canada. I was at one of their early concerts at the Park West and have LOTS of musician, artist, writer, photographer, clothing designer, hairstylist, makeup artist, graphic designer, restaurateur, celebrity chef, fine dining server, bartender, cocktail waitress, door men, DJ, and club owner friends from all around the world!
Noe Boudreaux who owned Le Mere Vipere was one of my very best friends up until he crossed over…RIP 🕊️❤️
Punk Rock is the greatest gift to humanity.
My Father was the front man/rhythm guitarist for Mist at 19:06. Wild to see. They opened up for A.C.D.C.'s first U.S. show not knowing what they would become. Played all over the Midwest as a cover bad. Alexas Urba even did their band photo promos. One of Playboys most early noted photographers. Rock and Roll may change but it will never die.
Stuff like this is when TH-cam SHINES.
Thank you!!!
I'll never forget when TRIAD radio switched from hippie to punk overnight, summer of 77 as I recall.
I missed this era, but grew up in the Chicago late 90's scene. Great town. Real people. Good times. I live in CA now, but miss the city. Not much pretense going on over there.
I remember going to shows, having shows, in the Chicagoland area scene in the late 90s. Bands like MIKE, M.y.o.p.i.a., Penny and the Loafers, Alkaline Trio, Hot Stove Jimmy, The Pillagers, Plain White Tees, the Seventies etc
I've been listening to punk since I was twelve. I'm almost 60, but have been a part of the Chicago scene since the beginning. The late 90s had some great bands come out of Chicago that were/are just as good as the bands featured in You Weren't There. Spare Change is still out there and rocking out, to name but one band from that time. The Fireside Bow was THE place to go to see great bands all through the 90s. Hope California is treating you well.
Contrary to what people tend to believe, it's the 'Music' that will prevail and last. Of course there must have been lots of fights and feuds amongst bands, but the person who enjoyed it, at that time, doesn't care! I was on the other side of the Ocean (in Europe), and we were waiting for any new band coming from thoses places, no one cared (or was even aware), about problems amongst 'bands'. I can say 'Hard-Core' changed my life (for the better!), and still influences me as a musician/composer, although, there's not much people left to carry the 'torch'. Still kicking...!
Yes, sadly there were divisions within the Chicago scene at the time, most notably a rivalry between Articles of Faith and Effigies, with fans boycotting shows. Also, while Steve Albini was part of the scene, and played no small role, starting with the formation of Big Black, his opinions created further divisions in the scene, even though that might not have been his intention. Sadly there are many glaring omissions in this documentary, like NO MENTION of Space Place whatsoever, but as somebody who actually WAS there, this film gives a historical, and accurate description of what was going on in the Chicago punk community at the time. (RIP JOHN KEZDY)
There are still some of us carrying the torch…you’d probably be surprised. Check out the various Club Reunions that are usually held once a year and often at other clubs because several of the original clubs don’t exist anymore.
I’m trying to get the owner of Smart Bar/Metro to re-open the original Smart Bar when it was upstairs for special occasions. I was their first elevator girl before I started cocktail waitressing!
Effigies!!.. RIP Pierre and John... Earl was a monster guitarist.
to many of my Friends R.I.P. , I don´t forgot the good times we had.
I ran into Earl a few years ago- he's living in Phoenix.
Im 53 years old, and when i was a kid, fanzines were pretty much the only way to discover new bands if you were a metalhead, punk or goth, as none of those genres were spoken about anywhere on the media.
You couldn't just search the internet, nor would they be in any published book or magazine.
It was almost impossible to immerse yourself in any genre that wasn't mainstream unless you knew someone in it.
Our heads would've spun if we knew a few decades later, just any dork could be claim to be part of the scene and not just a wannabe.
Lol we would've hated that!
Haha it was very exclusive back then. Also we were seen as totally degenerate with the satanic panic and whatnot.
Its cool that everyone has access now, but it also kinda sucks....idk.
Fanzines, and, at least in Chicago, certain record stores were the lifeline of what was happening in the local punk community. Many is the time I would go to Wax Trax to find out who was coming to town, or when the next local show would be. Wax Trax always had flyers advertising shows, but at the clubs, and in somebody's basement.
@@nankypooh655
I'm Australian. We don't have major cities nearby, or countries or continents.
Being into underground music back in the day was the stuff of miracles where I come from.
A miracle that fanzines made possible.
@@freelanceopportunist559 You had your work cut out for you, but I'll bet everybody in your scene probably supported it, and you probably had great bands nobody outside of your scene ever heard of. But the world still thanks you for The Saints, (At least the first two albums) Radio Birdman, and Celibate Rifles. I like Amyl and The Sniffers, and The Chats just fine, but I consider them punk in sound only, and not the genuine article. Australia is both a country AND a continent, so be proud of who you are, take stock in what you have, support your own scene, and if the bands are good, support them, and ROCK ON!🤘
I got into punk in the early 90’s and at that time it was still flyers at record shops, zines, especially zines from overseas, older people at record shops. Its slowly dried up. I’m from probably ten years after you. I do think you should put in effort for punk to be punk. There’s a lot of songs in this that I have not heard and as soon as the music kicks in, my hair stands on end.
It sometimes took me months or years to get ahold of records (cassettes) or hear bands I'd read about, read interviews with or see on someones shirt. When I did, whole albums got played excessively, in entirety for months, shaping a part of my life and Identity. I think that's been lost with the fingertip availability of anything and everything. I know it has.
I was house audio engineer at a club in Champaign Ill. called Mable’s and saw or worked with many punk musicians over the years. Great stuff.
Such a damn shame they didn't acknowledge Skafish as our Chicago godfather of Punk. He's a true ICON!!!
Do yourself a favor and check out Skafish 💪🏼
Skafish was a true pioneer. Along with Jim Desmond, too.
RIP ALBINI
thanks for the video
I was in OC. Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Adolescents, SF, Social D, TSOL, Wasted Youth… it was awesome.
Are you a name a dropper? hehe Just messin with ya....You must have a lot of talent. TSOL "In Time" great song.
Did u photograph and/or tape recorded the show????
And Agent Orange.
Shattered Faith,No Crisis,the Blades
I live in the city of Orange in OC and I used to take drum lessons from
Bud Guagh (Floyd) not when the original Sublime..They had just started the Long Beach Dub All-Stars.
I'm not giving my name But I ended up being a filler for a ton of bands. Some known and some that didn't make a real
name for themselves.
One real fun band I had the pleasure of playing 6 songs with Because I met Spike at a karaoke/sushi place and he was there with family members.
Extremely nice guy . I gave him my email address and so a week went by and I figured oh well wishful thinking...well I got tan email and asked me if I wanted to perform on stage at punk rock bowling....it was Awesome!
Check out these Black punk bands that very few people have heard of. Highly skilled musicians - no 'three chords and an attitude' here:
Death - For The Whole World To See (1975, released 2009)
Pure Hell - Noise Addiction (1978, released 1995)
I had never heard of Death until recently and they are definitely worth listening to. One of those bands you wish you found sooner
Can someone list the name of the songs in the order as they appear ? I would greatly appreciate it 🙏
Great idea and I know people who could do it. Maybe I’ll pass on your suggestion, they can fill in some other gaps they missed (there needs to be more focus on the women in the scene and there were plenty of us including girl bands), and release this anew and also release it in theaters to be played internationally!
I got to Chicago in 79 (from NYC), there was no punk scene. A handful of bands (including mine), a handful of clubs willing to let us play. Hardly a scene. I got back to Chicago (Wicker Park, coincidentally) in the early 90s, that's when things were happening.
Nah…they were definitely happening when you first came. You just didn’t know where to go because some of the clubs were word of mouth only. Le Mere was the first to punk DANCE club in the world! There most definitely a scene!
@@JulienArbor Like I said... a handful of bands, a handful of clubs...
Born in 99 and studied archaeology but this is the one era of human history I wish I could go back and experience. So jealous I missed out on this scene
Well take a Delorean, put some old style cans on the back and go for it. Don't forgot the Chicago Flag.
I’m sorry for you that you missed it. Everything after became super commercialized and this phenomenon in history was incredibly special!
@@Andyface79 And shove a beef sammich in the tail pipe!
As an aging punk there's a lot of looking back at the times in the past and condemning the idiots and jocks and cowboys who would hassle you for being punk, and not to much recognition that we were looking for that special thing that would get us hassled. If you went on the street on no one called you a fig, next time you tried to look more like a fig. That's kind of what it was about.
I grew up in small enough Canadian town that we all knew each other too well so we'd go to the next town to fight their local sheetkickers.
You're only scratching the surface. You're not even mentioning being refused service at stores and restaurants, being followed around by the store and mall dicks, getting harassed by the cops just because they didn't like the way you looked, being a victim of "Ped Hunts" or getting into fights at parties because you liked punk rock. We were making history at the time and didn't even know it. I sometimes think about all the people who hassled us, and how they must've reacted when their kids would rather listen to Green Day, Blink 182, and Nirvana, rather than Led Zepplin, Journey, and Aerosmith. If it hadn't been for Husker Du, Black Flag, and The Descendents, these bands wouldn't even exist! We did good.
When I went to an (admittedly sub par) Sonic Youth show in the mid 90s and saw a group of loud jocks wearing black nail polish and Nine Inch Nails t shirts I knew it was cooked.
Not quite. You would have a better understanding if you were a female elevator girl, cigarette girl, cocktail waitress, bartender, DJ or even band member and just wanted to live your life without constantly getting harassed and threatened. Or had drive by spitters who were hocking loogies out their car window a walk until like a uniformjust for looking like you did as you walked to work. Or the times people surrounded your car or slammed into it when you went to Mothers on Rush to hang out until your bouncer boyfriend got off work. Or the countless times you were made fun of, stared and pointed at, called names, were denied seating in some restaurants, and assumed to be a slacker and a slut when all you were trying to do was eat fucking breakfast after you’d worked your ass off at a 4 o’clock bar and spent the weekend night at a club where they actually bussed people in to watch the freak show or circus or whatever they thought we were as they gawked at us and made stupid snide comments or grabbed their own drink off a full tray of drinks that went crashing to the floor!
I dumped full trays of drinks more than once for some creep telling me I should smile more or thinking it was perfectly OK to touch me or anything on my tray. The assholes who were fucking with my money by trying to bail on drinks or trying to pass a $20 as a $100 bill were rapidly escorted out without even knowing why! One glance and a head nod at a bouncer was usually all that was necessary by me! 😂
@@JorgeVelezMusic Sonic Youth- NYC art posers. Ha!
where can we hear any recordings of sunday morning nightmares??
especially the lux interview
I can't remember if Sunday Morning Nightmare was WHPK or WZRD, otherwise I would advise you to contact the university where the radio station was located. (WZRD was northeastern University, and WHPK was University of Chicago) WNUR was the radio station of Northwestern University, and on Saturday Night they had Fast and Loud which was four glorious hours of everything punk. Great to listen to on a Saturday night if there were no shows, and you had no place to go, and nothing to do.
Thanks for the smiles..great memories of my punk days 🤘🏼
TUTU AND THE PIRATES, LOL! "I WANT TO BE A JANITOR" 😂😅😊! USING A PLUNGER AS A PROP AND A TOILET SEAT GUITAR! LOL! 😂😅😊😂❤❤❤! HOW MAGNIFICENT!!!! IT CAN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!!! 👍 AND THEY SOUND GREAT ON TOP OF IT TOO!!! 😊❤!!!
This is great. For some reason I never thought of Chicago having a punk scene. I was still too little for any scene back then. In the 80s I went to school in the outlying town of Elwood, IL. I hated it.
I missed Mere Vipere but lived for Wax Tracks, the only place to get vinyl from NY and London. We would trudge North from Hyde Park, Very interesting, all this. It was great to hear people talking about how narrow-minded it was then. Demolition Derby, all that i was happy to leave in 81.
Rip steve albini
For a movement that seems to take pride in being a bunch of castoffs and misfits, I've always found it fascinating how judgemental they actually are. Interesting.
I came to the thread just to see how far I’d have to scroll to find the “actually, I WAS there!” guy.
First two comments delivered.😂
Well, here's another I WAS THERE person. (And I can tell you there are some glaring omissions in this film, like no mention of DV8, who were a very good band, and had one record out, or The Space Place, which was the FIRST all ages music club in Chicago as far aback as 1980 even before Oz, and had Black Flag play there. Ministry was formed there, and Bauhaus played their very first Chicago concert there. To not talk about Space Place when doing a documentary about the fisrt generation of Chicago punk is like doing a documentary on The British Invasion, and not mentioning The Dave Clark Five)
That was my LIFE for around 10 years! What a time to be alive…born in 1960, grew up in the 1960-70s, and had the good sense to take a break from college and dive right into the mosh pit! 😅
@@nankypooh655 I loved SPACE PLACE. Live bands all ages on Friday for $5 cover. Danced my ass off there
I always give credit to B52s to paving my way to punk rock/hardcore!!! Still listen to em to this day as well as my fav. Punk rock!!
b52s are not punk. Black Flag is punk. Cromags is hardcore. Circle Jerks is punk. Misfits, and Dead Kennedys are punk. Talking Heads, Thompson Twins, Blondie , and The Cure are not pumk at all. They have punk influences but not punk bands
B52s are the best hardcore band ever!!!
Yes, the first two B-52s album are definitely punk, and don't let anybody tell you different!🤘
@@michaelcassady1289 No, Thompson Twins AREN'T punk. Blondie were considered punk only for being part of the first generation of bands that got their start at CBGB, but they really got their musical cues from 60s girl groups like The Angels, The Ronettes, and The Shangri Las. Some of their early music does have a punk element, though, but even the band themesleves said they didn't really like being referred to as a punk band, nor did they want to be lumped in with The Ramones, DeadBoys, or Heartbreakers. And early Cure WAS actually punk, but, other than the single, Killing and Arab, and, to a lesser extent, Boys Don't Cry are really the only examples of how close they ever got to punk. And I disagree with you about The B-52s. Their first album is totally PUNK! Maybe you disagree, and, considering the direction they went after Wild Planet, I can understand why people wouldn't consider them a punk band. People say the same thing about Are We Not Men, by DEVO, and that was punk as all get out!
@@michaelcassady1289 well, we’ve been told… no … sorta, sorta , no, no… just?? ?
If people yelled Devo at me I’d wear that as a major badge of honor.
My friends and I ran around Chicago as young, dumb punk skaters in the late '80s - early '90s...it was rough business at those shows and all over...stompin' out p.o.s. N@zi skinheads is hard work. And fun as can be! 😁 And then there was The Alley & Wax Trax to hang around...and the "Punkin Donuts"...and Medusas...blahblahblah
Alas, those winters are too brutal and I had had enough of the Midwest and have been a Pacific Northwesterner for 30 years now
Those were some good times though.
this was really great to watch...... unfortunately there are, ironically, far too many rules you need to follow to be a part of the 'punk' scene
Edited to unfortunately add RIP Steve Albini
Love these guys but the end with all of them crying over the new generation just reminds me of my parents complaining because they don’t understand something. You don’t like the punk genre now…Boo fucking hoo!
14:25 😅 OH man. That's exactly why probably, I can see that during that time.😅
God bless Wax Trax, Jim and Danny and Steve Albini.
I can't totally agree with Steve Albini, but yes, Wax Trax WAS a God Send in many ways.
It was a fascinating timeline to experience.
Does anyone know where Mr. Buddha Slim is nowadays?
38:00 Total respect there. I love the ambition.
I find it hard to believe there was only one female group? Although it's made clear that they couldn't get any gigs which doesn't bode well. I wasn't there, genuinely curious.
Ya, kenangan-kenangan ini mungkin berasal dari keluarga yang menyedihkan. Menjadi pengemis bukanlah nasib menjadi pahlawan adalah pilihan...😂😂 yang aku tahu musik hardcore adalah punk dan itu menjadi kesenangan saat remaja
38:08 - Ok, well this beat sounds quite similar to 'Where Eagles Dare" (MISFITS) so.. idk.... what... to say after that... oh well🤷
Song name in 0:00 plz
1:19 Is that the girl they called Punky at the far right? Carol Blank?
1:09 From that 1982 Social D documentary. 🤙
This is all about the Northside you guys totally missed about the hegewisch area in the south side they had a very thriving hardcore punk bands like Johnny vomit, the outkast, the Dobermans, zyklon b, dick slappers,Klub Poppa you need to go back and reevaluate this video add on the whole Chicago area
@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse There must have been two bands called that the one I know was a underground punk metal from the Chicago area back in the early mid 80's
This focuses on the first generation of Punk Rock, and Johnny Vomit didn't appear on the scene until 1986 at the earliest. All these other bands are second generation, after 1984. But, you do bring up a good point about lack of focus on The South Side, but they mostly kept to themselves. I mean almost nobody remembers The Torpedoes, who released Damn The Heartbreakers in 1983, or Certain Death who started releasing their own cassettes in 1984, and the Dial-A-Trance compilation. Also, End Result were from the south side, especially The Smith Brothers, who were actually form the Bridgeport neighborhood.
Hegewisch always gets ignored 😢
I WAS there!!! Naked Ray gun
Fugazi
Oh hell yeah
Fugazi?
Green Day, too?
Cool!
Not to be critical, but what, exactly are you trying to say? I mean Fugazi A)were from The D.C. area B) Existed in the 90s, and C) Had NO PART in The Chicago scene. I mean, it's nice that you're enthusiastic about good music, but your post can be rather confusing.
Me too…I probably served you drinks somewhere! 🥃🍺
1:33:00 song?
"Temples of Corruption" by Negative Element.
It's from their "Yes, We Have No Bananas!" EP
Articles Of Faith must have pulled their music from the film!
No. Usually it’s pulled automatically from TH-cam. Trust me. They licensed the music for the film and it appeared in theatre and DVD. It’s just TH-cam being TH-cam
I ave the DVD, and AOF's music is ever present. Try to track down a copy of the DVD for yourself.
Glad you said it was corrupt rather than conservative. Both sides can be corrupt despite it
Nights with Naked Raygun at the Metro, incredible!.
AOF was on another level. They had an x-factor that elevated them even above killer bands like the Effigies and Naked Raygun.
That's because they were a rock band until they heard the Bad Brains and decided to play harder and faster ;)
Wow steveo was in the subverts
I started in ‘84. The title of this video is hilarious. All the older punks were pretentious.
I was there beginning in 1977, and, I have to admit some of the people do come across with a certain sense of elitism and entitlement, but I think it's really a question of been there done that more than anything. I knew End Result personally, so I sort of understand their attitude. Vic Bondi was a jerk then, is a jerk now, and will always be a jerk. Everybody else in Articles of Faith, especially Dorien and Viru X were/are cool people, though.
Sry bud all punks from all genres are pretentious. It's part of being a punk
@@stevilkenevil9960 Fair. I do think my extended group were hilariously self deprecating and open to other types. But in general, you are likely spot on.
My encounter with Steve Albini, however, would likely make him cringe horribly at least I would hope. It is a great story but too long to type out. What an absolute d bag moment from him. Still a genius and likely not what he was really like.
@janeburns7673 I lived it. I was the dirt head that lived at "the punk house". First thing I told those boys was that Metallica does better covers of misfits songs than the misfits themselves. Lmao you could have heard a pin drop 🤣 😂
@@stevilkenevil9960 Good stuff! I had a gal kick me out of her dorm because I said Danzig was influenced my Elvis.
What year was this made?
Filmed in 2007
That toilet seat guitar was hilarious!
And he STIL plays it today.
I love how he opens it and plunges the dudes crotch. That's one of the funniest stage gags ever
fucking awesome I remember ROTA coming to NY. Me and my cousin hung out with them. I think he was a penpal with them for years afterwards. we interviewed for our fanzine Attitude. what a great fucking time
Anyone make a playlist from this video?
These bands are all very good, and Kansas City had most of the same downsides as Chicago punk but with less upsides and only a handful of decent bands. Lots of black transvestites in KC too. It's similar but different than Chicago at the same time. Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, and the bigger coastal bands would end up at the American Legion and stuff. The scene over in Lawrence in Kansas was better, but it only emerged after 1985 at the Outhouse. Check out the documentary online called the Outhouse the Movie, if you can find it. Circle Jerks was my first show there. I'm 52.
In England we had years off pub rock that chatted shown on TV plus garage acts in LP charts so when punk happend it was like newGlam rock which was pop music
Much love from San Diego '81🤘❤ rock lobster🤭
Everyone in the 80s lived in an 80s movie.
Yeah and it was all DIY!
Feeling that clockwork orange shirt! All these guys are extra bad asses without earplugs:)
No, more like deaf idiots.
Was liking the TuTu and the Pirates until that lyric “phony rock and jazz” did he really say that?!!!
Funny, it is mentioned how conservative Chicago was. Far from that today.
The 80s were a different time.
So was S.F.
Tu Tu Pirates had some of the best members names ever.
If you can find them, you should check out their two albums. The first is an unreleased demo from when they were first around in the late 1970s, the second is their reunion album. Both are excellent.
Not sure what is different about Chicago as opposed to other places in peoples attitudes towards punks in that time.
There were plenty that was different. Chicago bands had their own sound. Plus in places like New York, San Francisco, SoCal, and London, the punk communities were bigger so there was more support, and more of a buffer, whereas Chicago, and the midwest in general at the time, people still listened to what is now called "Classic" rock, so not only was punk a lot less popular in Chicago, people tended to be more reactionary towards it, and more often than not, in a very negative way. A lot of times this would lead to unnecessary violence and police harassment. Like the title of the movie says YOU WEREN'T THERE! You truly HAD to be there to ave any understanding.
@nankypooh655 I guess Des Moines, Albuquerque, Boise, etc... could make movies with the same name and similar experiences. I'd say they may have gotten more hell.
@@reeb9016 I'd have to go through all my old copies of Maximum Rock and Roll, but these places did have their own scene at one time. And you're right, they would've gotten more Hell than Chicago, especially in the early to mid 80s.
@nankypooh655 That's all I'm saying. Today, no one blinks at someone appearing different. They're ringing you up at the store. The 80s, no matter where you lived, it rubbed people wrong. Also what made it enjoyable.
I turned 13 in 1983. I was at some of those all ages shows in McHenry County cause my friends had older brothers, LOL ROTA Wholly shit I had totally forgotten about Verboten?!? I never saw them but I heard about them, the band of kids my age. You grow old and become the villain, but gate keeps like Steve A always were dicks. XD Kids these days
I went to north Chicago h.s. 82.83 84. Metro. Cubbies .mudusa. mc greavies.etc!!
If they did a globally 2 LP set of Chicago Acid House my be a Box SET of Chicago punk N Hard core ( Inc the new wave power pop tie stuff as a bit off pop history
Give my best to Vic Bondi…we knew each other from Northern although he wouldn’t recognize my name. Tell him Greg’s (President of the Concert Committee at NU) old girlfriend says 👋!
We had one or two sorta dates when he was in limbo about his girlfriend, Debbie, who was my suite mate and who was roommates with Sally. I was in the single next door.
You knew Vic during his NIU days? Whoa. Great guy, Dr. Bondi.
What's Tick? Speed?
Another word for Angel Dust. Trust me when I tell you that you DON'T EVER want to try that stuff. It's worse than Meth. STAY AWAY!
Credit?
PCP
I wasn't there, you weren't here
1:10:40 that’s funny. Almost everyone I know who enlisted post 9/11 were and are huge punk rock fans, and almost everyone I know who is a punker enlisted.
Wazmo Nariz Wacker Drive ❤
I don’t know about that stuff in LA and Solviegn 🚬
1:53 spot on.
Your right you weren’t
Steve Albini is funny
My dad said that the punk scene in england from 76 to 80 was first wave people dressed black binbags and paperclips in noses and they used to spit on the bands if they liked them 😂
80 - 83 other movements like oi singing about drinking, fighting and football and lefty commie bands singing about veganism and shit...
85 - poser punks started with massive coloured mohalks ripped jeans my dad and hos brother's couldn't stand them.
My uncle was in a local Manchester band no idea what they called but they were like a joy division kind of sound about 81 ish. Punks and skins would turn up and just smash each other to bits with sticks and flick knives.
He also, said it was a crazy time to be a young man fighting at the football then playing music at some dirty student place. Hahha sorry for the long story.
Lmao at the end when they're yaking about "ehh get your own scene. You should be annoying me." Nowadays we do have our scene. The reason you haven't heard it is because it's just as underground (or right below the surface) as yours was. It definitely looks and sounds much more diverse now too. Don't worry, grampy. We're on it lol.
"ItS mUCh mOrE DiVerSE nOw" Ugh! Good job valuing exactly what they told you to in school; how rebellious. And yeah PUNK was really SOOOO discriminatory against DIFFERENT people back then 😂 fucking conformist
You know what isn't punk? Ageism. I am aware there is some good stuff coming out of the punk/post punk scene today. I have encountered too many who like to pose as punk but resort to vomitous sexist, racist, ageist, homophobic shit. Too bad you missed out
@@DJarry394 eh, it comes back around, trust me. I'm sure these guys could handle the heckling anyway, especially given the context. I took what he said as a friendly challenge, what I said was comical reassurance. I'd gladly say it to his face and shake his hand. Definitely wasn't being hateful and definitely punching up, which is indeed, pretty punk, not that it matters lol.
@@inr2412 K. I mean light hearted ribbing is ok, but I get sick of the “granny” shit. Women have different experiences. Once a Mohawked kid really took it up several notches. I hung out with the Mohawk crowd. Back in the 80s they were friends, and never gave me any shit. My head was shaved back when women didn’t do that. This moron was downright obscene. This was verbal sexual harassment when I was just wanting to be left alone. I did dress him down as a poseur. He shut the fuck up. I’ve been a punk for decades, in one form or another, I simply hate it when obscene misogynistic trash talk is randomly thrown my way. What woman wants that? This was high school shit, and I had no time for it
@@DJarry394 you know what isn't punk? Giving a shit about offending anyone. If I could, I'd say a bunch of homophobic, racist, sexist things to you! None of which I believe in, but because they're your "sacred cows" & I piss on those.
Any footage of The Torpedos - Blow me of Die?
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Salt lake City actually had a Punk scene..Kind of.lile the movie. The No Rods. The Atheists.
Somebody should make a documentary out of THAT!🙂👍
Im not watchin alll the way but I guess this is too early to include The Dwarves
Incorrect! (I WAS there!) 😂❤️👍🏼
What are your memories? Favorite band(s)? Did you ever go to Space Place?
@@nankypooh655 I was there, Space Place was GREAT ! Bring your own alcohol and drugs, crummy bands with bad acoustics, no age limit, bouncers or I.D. Police raids, no fighting but lots of aggression, really creative fashions. Like a zoo or an insane asylum, but afterwards everyone spilled out onto the streets and alleys and faded away. Beautiful girls, ugly boys, free to be present no matter what. My friend lived just behind WaxTrax, we frequented Exit, Smartbar. Much fun was had until it closed down. Dark, unfurnished, graffitied , - anarchic par excellence because nobody was making much money off it, so only youth energy kept it full.
I heard guys calling me kiss and then actually plowed me down with a car in a 7-Eleven parking lot after a Cubby Bear show
Punk is Henry Rollins saying he loves Ted Nugent.
Where was yourself? nowaday its hate 5 six and I Luv it
youtube adtech is garbage
And they all met more punkers while serving.
I was there 🤟😎
steve albundy
This is all quite interesting but there are so many slurs in this documentary.
It would be so cool
If the filmmakers
Just MADE UP “tutu and the pirates”
Spinal Tap style
Because what an amazing forgery that would be 😂 #mandelaeffect
Yup
Wax trax was the shit. Oh man fucking good times. A real record store. Damn the good ol days
J.T IV
Born and raised in Chicago never one time was this city ever conservative 😂
WAS
BUSY
IN ENGLAND
🥳
That's nice. Sorry, but I'm fresh out of medals to award you at the moment.🤣
@@nankypooh655 come back when you have them then duh
@@KarmasAbutch Sorry, but the mint has closed up shop permanently.
“You weren’t there”? Well I am now, and I’m deeply unimpressed.
And meanwhile 90 mins north in Milwaukee we didn't have this many problems, allot of metalheads turned to punk and thrash and we got along, we had the benefit of these bands coming to play in Milwaukee, Naked raygun was great, I saw smashing pumpkins with like 25 people the first few times in a basement bar, I didn't pay any attention the first time then they got kinda poular lol
I thought the documentry was fine, I didn't like the whining of how punk died.
Check my correct politics.
-Steve Albini