Game Changer For Multi Color 3d Printing (AMS)
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In today's video we take a dive into the AMS multi material system for the Bambu Labs printers. I have tested out quite a few multi color and multi filament systems over the years with most being quite painful requiring lots of calibration with spotty results. The AMS is the first system I have used that is pretty well hands off. You set the colors and materials in the slicer and as long as the filament has no issues on its own the results have been very consistent. We will dive into the hardware, the slicer, some of my tips, and print with the AMS HUB which allows for up to 16 spools (NUTS).
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Whoops was brought to my attention my calculations at 6:10 is off. 7 and a half hours seemed right due to how long the retract and purge takes (so it may not be far off) but in the slicer that is the starting time that the printer runs its base calibrations. Which is 7 and a half minutes. (Thank you for the correction)
You not only forgot to paint the front of the bag gold... you also missed his arm being green instead of red like it is supposed to be, conform the rest of the print.
You lost so much filament and time by not purging into the actual model. Not sure when you made this vid but it’s been in the slicer for a while now.
What speed do you print at with this prints?
Being able to set it to auto jump to the next spool on runout is a fantastic idea. I think Bambu Labs should move this idea to the top of the list.
I vaguely remember reading it being suggested ages ago, and Bambu saying something along the lines of "yeah, we'll be doing something like that", but since it's still not here I guess they're not prioritizing it or they're taking the time to think of and implement support for all scenarios.
@@mascot4950 i think it's twice over an issue; run out while doing multi color- do you go to the next color or prompt to refill that color and pause? vs when you're doing one print, many spools of same color and hop to the next spool on run-out just to make print-farming easier. either way, shouldn't be hard for them to tackle.
mmu`s prusa do that
The Prusa MMU2 (mine is hooked to a MK3S+) already has this as a feature for their material changer, so it shouldn't be that difficult to add into the printer code to have an option of switching to the next spool and/or next spool of same color and material (the Prusa MMU2 just moves to the next spool in line). It is a nice feature since you don't have to put aside a partial spool if you don't feel there is enough on it for the job and don't have to deal with the frequently dubious fusing of 2 smaller spools of used filament into one larger one.
My IDEX printer has this feature. It’s called Backup Mode, I think.
The fact that it doesn't force you to use their NFC tagged spools is amazing.
i was worried about this at first. don't give them any ideas!!
I still see people telling others " RFID MAKES IT SO YOU ONLY USE THEIR FILAMENT" like, no. You are stupid. More Bambu superiority for the rest of us.
@@dannyboy8231995 people are ignorant and many are upset they spent nearly this much for their 'completely open source' slower printer. weird hill for them to die on, but it's ok. I'm building a couple of vorons and I see some things that can already be improved upon. :)
What would be even better is if they opensource the details of the data on the NFC tags to allow other filament manufacturers to start putting the same tags on their spools, and then other printer manufacturers be able to read that data to "autoconfig" to the filament brand, type, and color. (Similar concept to USB device ids.) Need to see how much they give back to the community of the other opensource IP that they've used to build their machines. I haven't been paying any attention, so I don't know how likely they are. Are they as collaborative with the community as Prusa, as vampiric to the community as Creality, or somewhere in-between? Or is it too soon to tell? (I mean, even Prusa holds off releasing some of their innovations until they have hardware shipping to avoid bad players like Creality from outselling them before they can even ship the first unit.)
There are problems though. We're currently unable to get a straight answer about how much of your data goes back to the company in China. Oddly enough we did get a sideways answer and we're seeing that while the camera feed is only speaking to the LAN, the job data seems to go out to the cloud.
I like that the bag having a green piece is what got mentioned and not the left sleeve
That dragon head is the best example of the AMS ive seen yet. I plan to pick up a X1 Carbon in a few months. Love how well it works and the quality of its prints.
Awesome video! Had no idea about that sync button from the printer/ams to the slicer
Thanks man 😊. There are so many hidden goodies. I tried my best to cover as much as I could based on my time diving into it all.
Hey Daniel, nice video as usual. One idea -- for strict multicolor printing (ie: not multi material) it would be nice if you could tell the printer to print the actual multicolor model, plus another model that serves as purge tower, but is instead some useful part whose color you don't care about. Or for that matter, if you're printing a three color model, then have three other parts you want, each can be a single color. Of course the heights would need to be somewhat compatible. But this would save a bunch of otherwise waste filament.
That would be quite a fun feature
I would also be nice to have the purge go into support or infill as a way to reduce waste.
@@bracco23 it can do it
That’s an option in the settings. You can also turn on or off prime tower to decrease time.
@@JohnSmith-rt5yqis it simple to implement, and how effective is it? I guess the purge block isn’t huge, but it seems to me that the block wouldn’t fit inside the model. Would love to hear about this, I’m strongly considering getting a P1P and the AMS
thanks! you could ask them why they have broken AGPL and why all those logs are encrypted. I like to see what my printer is doing.
Enjoyed the video. It's an exciting time to be in this space. Years ago the thought of having a 3d printer just like everyone had a 2d printer was faslr fetched. It's inching closer as printer companies make improvements. I'd like to see Bambu do something like the x1 only larger and possibly idex. I hate seeing the wasted filament. Cool stuff
Awright Dude! I'm Subscribed after just 1.5 of your podcasts. Do your thing!
Bambu labs has taken hobby 3D printing to the next level.
One of the advantages I like is the auto-refill. No more worrying if that little bit of filament on your spool will be enough; if you have an identical spool of filament (same type, brand, color) in the AMS, it'll automatically use the 2nd spool when the 1st runs out.
Great video, thanks a lot for going into that much detail.
100k subs mate. Well done
Definitely learned a thing or two. I sort of want to get the P1P and leave that for PLA but been using the polymaker Christmas colors on some projects. Soon to be shared on the discord.
@Modbot CAUTION! 9:34 is wrong. The order of installation is critical, otherwise the I’ds and machine order for ams 2-4 get randomized. Ask me how I know. Always connect the units one by one in exact order. Especially if you want an older V2 unit not to be the default ams.You can’t change ids until they’ll fix the firmware.
Good info! Getting ready to buy a second AMS soon. 🙌👍😃
Brilliant video. The Automatic switch to the same filaments in AMS when one spool is empty will be in the coming firmware update!
Thanks for the nice video. @6:10 you mention 7 and half hours for material purging, but that is not correct. It's 7 and half MINUTES which is the standar preparing time (ABL, flow calibration etc). For the rest: I have the AMS and I love it 🙂
I’m so excited, waiting on my printer and AMS 😊
I hope this spurs on more manufacturers to make good multimaterial units!
Personally not in the market for a Bambulab printer, but I would love to see Prusa revisit their MMU for some much needed polish, and maybe even see Creality join the game.
I cannot wait for mine to come in
There's no need to set your flush and prime so high. So far I got as low as 0.2 multiplier and 10 for both prime width and volume. I also flush into infill but that's not crucial even for small prints. Love to see more people experiment with these values.
Flushing into infill is a brilliant idea! I just posted the following comment... "Where are all the three color mixing 3D printers??? A 3-in-1-out extruder with cyan, magenta, and yellow should be able to cover the color spectrum quite nicely. I'm fairly new to the scene and am surprised to find that the market hasn't already been inundated with armies of printers touting their ability to best provide that solution."
I'd love to see a tuning guide for this. I try to stick to only using the AMS capabilities for indicator layers and things like that since I want to avoid wasting lots of filament.
So impressed ive subscribed. Havent got a Bambu (yet) but a Elegoo Neptune 2
Would be nice if something like this could be available for other printers to do easy multi colour prints other than the palette series. Maybe a cheaper option to the palette.
You ever think of doing printer workspace / station / farm setup submission videos? Never seen anyone do it but they do it for the PC community. Would be cool to see how multiple people have their setups and manage productivity. Would also be a good platform to promote modelers as well expand your sponsors into tools and so forth. Just a thought. Love you page either way.
I also use the option to purge into the infill. That saves a tonne of time and purging
If they could design the slicer to print a useful product with the purge material, they could minimise the waste. i.e. something where colour variation is not significant. like clothes pegs or furniture coasters etc...
It's designed that way. You can "wipe to object" and print stuff with the pruge
Was waiting for this.
I just pulled the trigger on the Combo package. This video has helped relieve my buyers remorse. But now I want a second AMS. I'll just have to wait.
Excellent review @ModBot 👏 Coming from Prusa+MMU, this looks very exciting. The MMU handles PLA fine, but PETG stringing is a nightmare. How well does this printer work with PETG on multi color prints?
Neat setup! One thing I have wondered about these multimaterial setups, how about for support material, like PVA and others?
Good video. If I didn't have enough printers already I'd be sorely tempted to get one.
This is a great advertisement for Bambu lab. Now I really want one
Cool review! Loving mine
Incredible demonstration and explaination brother!
Thank you 🙌❤️
Thanks for the video. I ordered the P1P, and have been wondering if I should order the AMS, or wait and try the printer first. It would be great to know what shipping time each has.
They need to make this work with other printers! They would sell so many
i bet they will, but for now, this is the main selling point for theirs! this and the speed.
Material handling is machine specific, any other mfg could order a AMS and integrate it into their platform. It’s ludicrous to think this company is going to waste resources to enhance sales of other hardware manufacturers. Did you really think your comment through before putting it out there for the world to see?
@@judd_s5643 You think their unit working on Marlin and Klipper printers is somehow going to enhance other printers sales more so than it would enhance the sales of their AMS? No.. it would only increase their market share.
What you suggested is the far more Ludacris than mine. Did YOU think before you replied? Lol.
Maybe gun manufactures should make their own new mount for scopes so that only their scopes work on their guns and their scopes won't mount to others guns. Lol See how insane that sounds?
When they have a product... That only works on their product.. then their potential customers for that is literally only those who they have sold a product to. If they managed to figure out a way to make it work with Marlin/klipper... They open up to MILLIONS of sales they otherwise would never happen
@@nsboost GAL
Been toying with the idea of grabbing this setup with the carbon. Seemed foggy at first, but now that you have broken it all down, the connectivity is a lot clearer. Thanks, Daniel. Fantastic vid as always.
Just my two cents here. But people really downplay the waste. He is right that making multiple items can take the sting out of it a little bit. But it's still wasteful. I don't have an X1, but I do have the Pallette 3 Pro that can do 8 colors on any machine, and boy oh boy is it wasteful. It's really cool at first until you realize just how much filament your throwing away, and then it gets to that point of wondering if the extra cost associated with the waste makes multi color worth it. Also one thing I have yet to see anyone talk about is multi material with the AMS. Changing PLA colors is easy but how does it handle changing different types of material? I can tell you the Pallette sucks at it. But only because it tries to melt the filament together in one big strand and different materials don't like to stick to each other. Plus you have to remember that your nozzle will have to pause and heat up/cool down between material changes and this can cause issues going from a higher temp material back down to a lower temp material, because there is always a little bit left in the nozzle to push out, and if it can't melt properly, your gonna get a jam. There are lots of things to consider when thinking about multi material printers. I'm not telling you what to do. I think the bamboo labs printers look pretty sweet. But after learning with the Pallette, my outlook on these types of printers has changed. Printers with independent tool heads like IDEX machines are the way to go if you want to avoid waste and material changes. Then again, if we ever get a decent affordable home solution for recycling our waste back into filament, that would be a game changer.
@Grant Deisig I was thinking of just using it for continuous printing for one color when long prints are necessary.
@@petercasper224 That would probably work very well with the AMS. The pallete can do this too, though I've never used it that way yet.
@Grant Deisig thanks for the heads up. I have prints that go for days. I have to babysit waiting to swap out a spool. With the ams that would not need to happen unless it chewed thru all four rolls. Not very likely.
You also missed the left arm ;) Great video, beautiful prints!
Can't wait to get this
It would be really cool if you could have a setting that says if you run out of filament just use the next role of filament automatically.
Do you know if it can be used to print into different materials? for example, Removing supports from PETG is a pain, but PETG print and Silk-PLA supports will be amazingly easy to remove
Great tools and happy when we can print and paint color by ourself. Except support pole I hope someday we don't need that one anymore.
Boy! What a setup!! If I could ever get this, I would be a super happy guy (though my wife might leave me - LOL)
Very good video ! What's the model of your printer?
What I really wanna know is... Is there any way possible to multicolor print with TPU??😬😅
@ModBot how long are the cables from the AMSHub? the Bowdentube and the Datacable?
Can you tell us what model bamboo printer you are using? I think I missed that. Does bamboo have any of these printers in stock or is everything they sell a pre-order?
Could a nozzle cleaning filament be used in the AMS to clean the nozzle between changes with little waste?
Check out the Mosaic 3 pro. It does 8 colors but it does it by splicing in the new color, with a buffer to keep the color clean, and you have all 8 spoon hooked up at the same time. You can switch back and forth
I'd love to see how a 28mm mini printed in multicolour turns out. So far I've seen only bigger models.
When printing on the X1C do you have to open the top and door while using the textured PEI sheet?
Hey ModBot I really liked your shirt : D
Im wondering if bambu lab will ever allow us to use bambu labs for other printers. I have a Longer LK5 pro that i love using and it has a metal hot end.
Hi all just a wee question can you use a PEI sheet in Carbon x1 i am in-between getting it or the P1P,Thanks in advance.
Hi Daniel, is there a way to tell the system to use the purge in the infill? if so where/how?
Do you know if the AMS can be set up to print from another spool once one spool is empty? It'd be nice to throw all of my end spools in an AMS and have it just print through all the colors. The Prusa MMU does this.
Can't you do color changes purging through the infill? And would it not dramatically decrease the amount of waste?
Yeah, seems like a lot of room for improvement in the slicer for the optimization of purging with infill and support material. Will be interesting where they go with this.
it can be done, both in the padding, in another object or in the support
Very nice
i actually have a broken eSun Spool and i didnt even consider printing a rim for it. may have to design one.
I'd love to see an app where you can create and print out a NFC tag that can be attached to other manufacturers filament spools for the AMS to identify. Sure would make life easier when switching spools. That might cut into Bambu Lab's filament sales so I don't see them offering this feature. If the X1 Carbon is as reliable as my Creality and Kingroon printers, then I'll definitely be buying one.
That shouldn't be hard go scan one with your phone. I used to make amiibos for Nintendo to use with super smash bros and its super easy and you can buy the nfc stickers from Amazon.
Is the AMS designed to only work with Bambu Lab printers? Or could I run one of these on my E3?
For a while I thought Bambu was going to turn into a flash in the pan with how much hype they're getting. Now that I need an FDM printer and I'm doing my homework, it looks like the hype is actually real (compared to the competition) and it looks like I'll be jumping on the bandwagon.
Can you add barcodes to poly maker spools so it is detected automatically? This might push me to use more of their filaments which are typically more cost.
ill go with the toolchangers
Hi, I'm new to 3d printing. Can you tell me what equipment will i need to start printing 3d figures of 8 to 16 colours? Thanks
Heyy what will the noise levels be like running around 80mms ? I’m only after the multi colour speed isn’t as important to me.
How well does the option to change colour within the infill/support work ?
That purge tower (Currently, hopefully it'll get improved in future) loses you quite a bit of material that could otherwise still be used but just hidden within those infills and supports.
The tower is used to get the new incoming filament flowing correctly. You can hear it start printing slowly then picking up the pace as the filament is getting up to tempature. I have made mine a bit smaller as well, like he did in his video. I haven't tried to see exactly how much smaller to make the tower. But yes it still needs some tower there. I hope I made sense with my explanation.
@11:24 - this is now supported with the latest update. It will rollover to another one if a filament runs out... if you set it up to do so
Is it possible to make the purge tower print anything useful? When I see all that waste it turns me off IDEX printers.
My main quesion about the AMS is - can I have 4 spools and can it load the next spool when one runs out? I only print black ABS for my products and would be fantastic to be able to not worry about running out of filament.
Instead of the color painting tool, is there a way to model the 3D Model into a STEP with different parts (that are still assembled together), and assigned colors to each of the parts?
6:23, shouldn’t the waste go down even more since you can use the purge for infill?
I feel like AMS is oriented toward the business side as it is the most optimal when printing in batches. Printing one or a few models can produce so much waste that it just feels wrong.
It would be cool to see a filament-making device from Bambu lab that uses all of that purge waste, but I doubt it will ever happen for obvious reasons.
What speed do you print at with this prints?
I thought of this the other day. Why doesn't bamboo labs make the filament change a little before the color change so it will merge seamlessly to the next color with no waste? With the known length of filament left from the cut, this doesn't seem impossible.
This is a very understated but IMO excellent idea. Very simple and possible to implement using existing hardware. I wont get into multimaterial until the purging issues are a solved problem, IMO purging more plastic than your actual print is unacceptable, and this would probably go a long way toward solving that issue.
It’s impossible. Especially when changing from dark to light colors or when you have very small color changes on a single layer.
@@timwolf6885 impossible to know the distance between the cut and the hot zone? And then to back calculate when the cut should occur before the current colour is done, and then do the change then instead of waiting and needing to purge all of that? Not saying there would be no purge, but it would be smaller in that case
Have you tried dissolvable filament as one color for supports only?
Can you do multi material printing with the AMS?
I dont understand the purpose or action of the AMS - what does it mean to buffer the filament and why is it needed?
Is it using canbus? i mean, 6 cables, 4 for canbus and the other 2 a bridge for endline canbus resistor. Like from Spain!
Any shot you can show off the filament waste of each model?
2 things. Ams on the p1p and how does it handle multi material not just multi color printing like tpu and pla
I love the bamboo labs printers, and think they are really innovative. I don’t know if the AMS is the best solution for multi filament printing. Too much waste.
Where can I get that dragon ?
So, one of the things I am seeing that is not even closely talked about enough is...waste material. The amount of waste the x1 produces is insane - "212g of 340g is waste"!!! (even halving the ratio by doubling the model is still crazy waste). The few times I have seen this issue brought up, the "Bambu-ites" come back with "...but you can adjust the purge volume setting". Regardless, that waste material is $ straight into the bin. How many filament companies are sponsoring AMS videos (where waste amounts are glossed over) so people will buy their product (and waste a bunch of it)???
I think this is the next big challenge and there's a big part that can come from the slicer software, instead of purging the filament they should use the infill to do the color change purge. They also need to reduce the number of color change, when gong from layer to layer, use the last color from previous layer to do most of the new layer
@@hyksos2 well yea, but even purging in the infill (and interior perimeters) only purges a small amount. It’s the biggest reason I have not bought an MMU unit for my Prusa
Why dont you do acreview on the bambu cloud priacy settings?
How long are the tubes and the cables?
if you add vertical stripes I guess print time will be days. I wish we could inject pigments into the nozze or something.
Game Changer are the Mimaki Printers with 10.000.000 Colors in one Print! resolution 2 Micron, if i remember right. Pretty expensive but genius
blew my mind, THAT is a game changer.
You can configure all your spools directly from the slicer. No need to fiddle with the touch screen.
I love the bambi limes sicer :p
Did you try to feed TPU to AMS hub for printing multiple materials with TPU ? by that way maybe we can use external spool holder -> AMS hub
I wouldnt do TPU in the AMS, it is asking for trouble.
@@ModBotArmy Actully not in AMS is there anyway to feed this from external spool holder to AMS HUB directly ?
But does this also work with multiple materials? E.g. PLA, TPU, PVA?
I just got one and it fails to switch filaments during a print 35% of the time. Can’t figure out what the problem is. Far left had the included basic pla, second from left is the included pla-cf. the second one is the one that’s failing. The spool is a little warped fro the vaccume sealed wrapper. Seems to not be unloading and respooling right. The filament is loose and I have to tighten it back onto the spool and hit retry then all is good for another half hour to an hour then it fails again.
How does this compare to the prusa mmu?
Why not purge in infills or supports? This is possible?
Will it do abs and TPU
I heard it can’t do tou
Would love to know if it is possible to mix and match materials? maybe use PLA for the model but PVA for the supports for example.
For optimum results, I would think that would require dual hotends, especially if the materials use different nozzle temperatures.
can Bambu create an online app on their website so that users can print out a QR code to put on filament spools that can then be recognized by the printer of the type, volume, color, size, etc of the filament?