I need to read Stan Lee's and Jack kibry's run on the Fantastic Four, along with Mark Millar's and Bryan Hitch's run, Jonathan Hickman's run, and Matt Fraction and Mark Bagley's run.
Great video! Thanks a lot! I was a big fan of the FF from the mid 1980's through the early 1990's, then lost touch with college and work. I really want to see if I might be able to reignite my interest! (I tried doing it around the mid 1990's, but as your video mentions, the early to mid 1990's didn't treat the FF so well! So now I know it wasn't just me!!😃)
It was definitely not just you. 😂 Start again with Jonathan Hickman’s run. The guy is one of the best writers around and his Fantastic Four is very close to perfection. If you want to start further back, then Mark Waid’s has the best run after the 1980s.
I own the Fantastic Four books: Mighty Marvel Masterworks Fantastic Four Vol 1 The World's Greatest Heroes by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby Mighty Marvel Masterworks Fantastic Four Vol 2 The Micro World of Doctor Doom by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby The Thing Classic Vol 1 by John Byrne and Ron Wilson The Thing Classic Vol 2 by John Byrne and Ron Wilson Fantastic Four Visionaries by Walter Simonson Vol 1 - 3 Fantastic Four Vol 1 Imaginaunts by Mark Waid Fantastic Four Vol 1 Whatever Happened to the Fantastic Four by Ryan North
Oof, no way Tom Defalco's run is one of the lowest and Mark Millar's is Top Ten 🤣 Amazing video though, excellent work and a very comprehensive reading order.
Depends on how you look at it. It’s not a bad story, but after a decade of Jack Kirby on the top of his game, what comes after does lack the same punch and feels repetitive, derivative. That’s something that will extend throughout the decade, until John Byrne takes over.
Lee and Kirby’s run is all about exploring the Marvel Universe, but I suppose it ranks as old and wordy. John Byrne’s 80s run mixes exploration (the negative zone storyline is a great example) with more standard heroics, and it’s very very good. Mark Waid revisits some of these themes, but if you want a modern run of epic sci-fi, the answer is Jonathan Hickman’s run. It’s complex, original, well written… then move on to Hickman’s New Avengers (which includes Reed Richards) and Secret Wars.
Well, the Fantastic Four are more explorers than superheroes, and any good run will touch upon that to some degree - Walt Simonson tackles time travel, as does Mark Millar in a very different way, Pacheco emphasizes cosmic adventures, Ultimate Fantastic Four reboots the team for the Ultimate imprint with great stories by Millar and others, though the book starts to lag after a while. Limited series tend to favor character development over high octane action, by 1234 by Morrison is very good, the more recent Life Story, by Mark Russell covers the team’s history in real time… but epic storytelling usually implies long runs building up to something, so yes, Lee, Byrne, Waid and Hickman are the gold standards.
@@richardkujo I would highly recommend Warren Ellis’s Planetary series, which has an evil equivalent of the FF as the main villains. Also check out Alan Moore’s Tom Strong for his take on a family of otherworldly explorers
@@comicbelief I tried the Tom Strong series. I don't want to say it's bad. I loved it and the original Fantastic Four, but I see them as ruined, whether intentionally or unintentionally. I mean that the heroes discover new things and solve the problem in one issue. Kind of something I don't like
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Amazing video! I’m waiting forward to a X-Factor video
I don't know who you are Comic Belief, but I like you lol. Great commentary in your videos!
I really love the covers of this newest run
I need to read Stan Lee's and Jack kibry's run on the Fantastic Four, along with Mark Millar's and Bryan Hitch's run, Jonathan Hickman's run, and Matt Fraction and Mark Bagley's run.
I'm collecting the Marvel Masterworks series. I expect to call it a day once they have reached 1996.
My favorite Fantastic Four run is Walter Simonson's run!
Great video! Thanks a lot! I was a big fan of the FF from the mid 1980's through the early 1990's, then lost touch with college and work. I really want to see if I might be able to reignite my interest! (I tried doing it around the mid 1990's, but as your video mentions, the early to mid 1990's didn't treat the FF so well! So now I know it wasn't just me!!😃)
It was definitely not just you. 😂 Start again with Jonathan Hickman’s run. The guy is one of the best writers around and his Fantastic Four is very close to perfection. If you want to start further back, then Mark Waid’s has the best run after the 1980s.
Merci beaucoup.
What did you think of the Scott Lobdell run? I liked it and was sad that it got cut short .
Oh, I have a deep dislike for Lobdell. I think he peaked in the early 90s and hasn’t had anything new to offer since. But that’s my opinion.
I own the Fantastic Four books:
Mighty Marvel Masterworks Fantastic Four Vol 1 The World's Greatest Heroes by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
Mighty Marvel Masterworks Fantastic Four Vol 2 The Micro World of Doctor Doom by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
The Thing Classic Vol 1 by John Byrne and Ron Wilson
The Thing Classic Vol 2 by John Byrne and Ron Wilson
Fantastic Four Visionaries by Walter Simonson Vol 1 - 3
Fantastic Four Vol 1 Imaginaunts by Mark Waid
Fantastic Four Vol 1 Whatever Happened to the Fantastic Four by Ryan North
Oof, no way Tom Defalco's run is one of the lowest and Mark Millar's is Top Ten 🤣
Amazing video though, excellent work and a very comprehensive reading order.
1:20- Huh? The Overmind saga is considered a classic ; no?
Depends on how you look at it. It’s not a bad story, but after a decade of Jack Kirby on the top of his game, what comes after does lack the same punch and feels repetitive, derivative. That’s something that will extend throughout the decade, until John Byrne takes over.
what are the best runs that have exploration/adventures High concept sci-fi worldbuilding and not too old or wordy?
Lee and Kirby’s run is all about exploring the Marvel Universe, but I suppose it ranks as old and wordy. John Byrne’s 80s run mixes exploration (the negative zone storyline is a great example) with more standard heroics, and it’s very very good. Mark Waid revisits some of these themes, but if you want a modern run of epic sci-fi, the answer is Jonathan Hickman’s run. It’s complex, original, well written… then move on to Hickman’s New Avengers (which includes Reed Richards) and Secret Wars.
@@comicbelief There are no others like what you mentioned?
Well, the Fantastic Four are more explorers than superheroes, and any good run will touch upon that to some degree - Walt Simonson tackles time travel, as does Mark Millar in a very different way, Pacheco emphasizes cosmic adventures, Ultimate Fantastic Four reboots the team for the Ultimate imprint with great stories by Millar and others, though the book starts to lag after a while. Limited series tend to favor character development over high octane action, by 1234 by Morrison is very good, the more recent Life Story, by Mark Russell covers the team’s history in real time… but epic storytelling usually implies long runs building up to something, so yes, Lee, Byrne, Waid and Hickman are the gold standards.
@@richardkujo I would highly recommend Warren Ellis’s Planetary series, which has an evil equivalent of the FF as the main villains. Also check out Alan Moore’s Tom Strong for his take on a family of otherworldly explorers
@@comicbelief I tried the Tom Strong series. I don't want to say it's bad. I loved it and the original Fantastic Four, but I see them as ruined, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
I mean that the heroes discover new things and solve the problem in one issue. Kind of something I don't like
Noice
Defalco/Ryan is a classic run, very wrong about being a lowest point.
DeFalco, is that you??
Nope@@comicbelief but tired of seeing people dump on his run. It's my opinion and I will die on that hill. Have a great day!
@@gabriellamarche4818 Well, I admire your conviction, if not your taste. 😉
It’s one of the better runs no cap