How to use a MODEL CAR to make your film (forced perspective trick!)

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    Steve Ramsden here with DIY Moviemaking and this week I’m going to show you how you can use a model car to make your low budget film look much more expensive! So let’s say you want to get some shots with an expensive car in your film - you can’t afford the real thing, but maybe you can afford a scale model. If so, you can use forced perspective to make it appear full size. To demonstrate this I’m going to be using this model of a 1964 Aston Martin DB5, which is the famous car used by James Bond, first seen in with Sean Connery in “Goldfinger”.
    Now this is a totally ‘in camera’ method of filmmaking which requires no tricky editing or compositing at all, but if you fancy a more advanced method which does require some editing, you can check out my other video on that as well.
    So for this basic in-camera version, all you need is your model and a camera. When choosing a model car to use, the bigger the better, and a popular size is 1:18, as this gives a lot more detail than smaller models.
    Once you have your model, you need to pick a location with enough space so you can line up a real background behind it, and put your model on something low near the camera.
    This is one of the oldest Hollywood tricks in the book and is known as ‘forced perspective’ where you simply put something close to the camera to make it appear larger.
    When lining up your model with your real background, the easiest method is to not show the ground at all, and basically just put the car’s tires along the very bottom of the frame. But this can also be a big giveaway that you are looking at a model. So if you want to be a little more advanced, then you could also build a fake section of road, such as what I did here just using a wooden board and some scenic scatter from a model shop to look like tarmac or gravel. This way you can raise the camera up a little bit higher and this can help fool the brain that the car isn’t a model - because otherwise the road would have to be a model too, and guess what - it is!
    You also want to look for the edge of the real road and try and line this up with your fake road. If can be tricky to get the angles right here, but it will really help disguise the join.
    You will also want to film in ‘deep focus’ meaning you’re trying to get the foreground and the background both in focus at the same time. If you’re using a phone and you’re in bright sunlight it might do this automatically, but I would suggest doing it manually so that nothing changes, and if so this means you’ll need to change your aperture to the highest f-number you can see displayed. And if you want to see lots more tips on filming miniatures to make them look full scale, then I have a dedicated video on just that.
    Now assuming you want to appear in the shot next to your car like I did, you also need to try and line yourself up at the right size. This is much easier with two people - one to film and one to appear in the frame - but If you are filming this alone like I did, then you’ll probably need a way of monitoring your shot yourself. I did this using an app on my phone called Canon Camera Connect, that lets me use my phone as a monitor to see my camera’s view, as long as I don’t walk too far away. This way I could see if I was in the right place, and then I could put my phone away while I filmed the shot.
    I also tried an option where I made it look like I was leaning against the car. Now obviously you can’t interact with it much or move in front of it, but can look like you are standing behind it or even looking in the windows. Again, after some trial and error if you get the angles right, this will all help.
    One of the best things about a fully practical in-camera effect like this is that your model and your scene behind will perfectly match. As long as your model isn’t sitting under any shade, no matter what the weather is doing on the day, your light on the foreground will be the same as the background. So will the direction of your shadows - this car is still being lit by the sun and from the same angle as what’s behind it. And if the car is shiny, it will even have all the correct reflections of its actual surroundings. It’s little details like these that make our minds just accept that this car really is in this location - because of course it is, it’s just smaller than it looks! So always remember that in-camera practical effects can add a lot of their own free realism without you even realising it!
    #diymoviemaking #filmmaking #behindthescenes

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  • @TommyMartin
    @TommyMartin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Your channel is quickly becoming my favorite! Thanks for the great video.

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Many thanks, very kind 😀

    • @DevotedSentry
      @DevotedSentry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SteveRamsdenTH-cam don't know if you know this already, but someone is pretending to be you. I thought I should let you know just in case.

    • @benedictomambia1305
      @benedictomambia1305 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Assist me you 📱 number.

    • @J7ozzy
      @J7ozzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SteveRamsdenTH-cam can you use something free like dafenci resolve

    • @JudiChristopher
      @JudiChristopher หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      EXACTLY... EXCELLENT VIDEOS... So Happy to have found this.

  • @kencur9690
    @kencur9690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Man, you’re such a boring, non-trendy, straight-to-the-point, no nonsense, no time-wasting, no jargon, non-joking old fashioned presenter... thank you!

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Huge compliment haha

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@SteveRamsdenTH-cam hehe

    • @JudiChristopher
      @JudiChristopher หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      BORING???
      He is NOT Boring by any means...

  • @medalgear654
    @medalgear654 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    This is the kind of movie magic that is missing today

    • @timbeaton5045
      @timbeaton5045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Well, mayb not, as this technique was used multiple times in The Lord of The Rings, of course!

    • @yourmum69_420
      @yourmum69_420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@timbeaton5045 which was not made today

    • @timbeaton5045
      @timbeaton5045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@yourmum69_420 No, But it was made in the current era of CGI. Just down to the choices made by Jackson.

    • @yourmum69_420
      @yourmum69_420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@timbeaton5045 point is people don't use those techniques any more. Those films are 20 years old and filmmaking has gone downhill in the last 20 years. Among other things, we've been getting more and more cgi and less practical effects in the last 20 years. Even those hobbit movies from the same director had much worse effects.
      Two decades ago is not "today"

    • @jessihawkins9116
      @jessihawkins9116 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      we don’t need this crap anymore. we have computers and cgi and stuff. we also have more scools whitch is why acting is more better.

  • @GalaroidProductions
    @GalaroidProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I love the breakdowns you do on these videos. A lot of channels make these tutorials confusing, but you go in depth in a way that's a lot more understanding, and it makes it more entertaining to watch other than it just being a tutorial. I've made about two long films now, and I've used a few of your tricks for my movies and they've worked like a treat. These tips and tricks are really great to follow along, and they help a whole lot! Keep it up, this is some real quality stuff man.

  • @badGamr
    @badGamr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Very cool. If anyone is interested, the car used here is the SOLIDO 1/18 - ASTON MARTIN DB5 - 1964 - Model # 1807101 - Goes for about $60 US or about 60 quid in the UK.

  • @JudiChristopher
    @JudiChristopher หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the movie I was in... We shot with a Canon 5D Mark II
    I was so Happy... Because I was used to the REEL FILM...
    What is this Magic... these Tiny Little Cameras... and we can "Take 2" after watching it right after it was shot, not having to wait on the REEL FILM to come back from being processed.
    WOOO HOO

  • @sudamadas344
    @sudamadas344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great technique here. What I would do it park my real car at the road side, then align up the model and shot such that the model matches the dimensions of the real car and mark the correct distance to stand or move about. Then move my car out of the frame and do the final take.

  • @Shareholda
    @Shareholda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have learnt a lot from your videos
    How do I pull out from a toy car..am working on a video ..I seriously need the effect ..you just earned a lasting subscriber

  • @TheyMakeItLikeThat
    @TheyMakeItLikeThat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I’ve always loved your use of miniatures! Keep it up, Steve!

  • @FootyThink
    @FootyThink 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved the bit at the end when the real size car goes past. Brilliant

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah it was a happy accident and left it in to show the real scale 😂

  • @harrycalderbank6715
    @harrycalderbank6715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A great little video to show this fun technique. I have been doing this with all my 1/18th scale models for a year now and it is constantly challenging. More and more, I try to include myself and also some real cars in the background. I often go to the trouble of looking up the dimensions of the real version of the model being used and set my tripod height accordingly depending on what part of the model I am lining up on. All my work is on flickr and if anyone wanted to look, just get on flickr and look up any of the model car groups. I liked your fake road here. Very good! Thanks for sharing this Steve!

  • @sergiogomes1328
    @sergiogomes1328 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Olhando seu video. Sinto que o CGI tirou alguma coisa da magia do cinema.
    Video maravilhoso. É magia pura.
    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @sunestestudios
    @sunestestudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is so cool Steve, I wanna make a short film with this technique now. Keep it up with the innovations!

  • @testseriesbyhardeepsharma4870
    @testseriesbyhardeepsharma4870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bro hire me as your assistant, can learn a lot....you are just outstanding 🙏

  • @-bok-8011
    @-bok-8011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A simple trick that could add some precision to the effect would be to mesure the distance from the camera to the desired place of the car, then divide this distance by the scale of the model and make sure the toy is placed at the right spot!
    Very good video oserwise! 👍

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For sure, that would probably get you a much more accurate result

  • @ranger51262
    @ranger51262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice, I didn't have these fancy cameras back in the 1970's but did the same forced perspective shots

  • @Hyperdogproductions
    @Hyperdogproductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This kind of practical film making techniques are what I've been looking for in a channel. Great work! Keep it up!

  • @punkworkschannel
    @punkworkschannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does look real! This way of shooting models works really well.

    • @JudiChristopher
      @JudiChristopher หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      YES... I am so AMAZED of his videos...

  • @JackLennon.
    @JackLennon. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Justo el canal que necesitaba 😱me encanta como usa maquetas u objetos reales para hacer efectos , era lo que necesite por mucho tiempo, gracias 🤗🥰

    • @torocruz1192
      @torocruz1192 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Estoy curioso. Lograste hacer la calle? Y si lo hiciste, que material usaste.

  • @andrewlutes2048
    @andrewlutes2048 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m gonna try this!

  • @TheRealSKEFT
    @TheRealSKEFT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you explain it so goodly

  • @southlondon86
    @southlondon86 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant video sir

  • @ErisedMediaCo
    @ErisedMediaCo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’d love to see something along these lines using a model house. That’d be quite cool to pull off!

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Time for a Buster Keaton falling house / window stunt haha!

  • @DadsRCHangar
    @DadsRCHangar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That’s very simple and clever, I will have to try this with my RC planes. Thank you for sharing 👍🏻

  • @stevedillard9169
    @stevedillard9169 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant and easy explanations. Some videos get waaaay too complicated with trigonometry, etc, but not this one. Exactly what I was looking for and enough for me to go out and try myself. Cheers!

  • @thejamesbondshow9754
    @thejamesbondshow9754 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant and so happy I've just discovered your channel. Can't wait to binge watch it.

  • @roligrafie
    @roligrafie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ich finde es Mega, wie Du es immer wieder schaffst, so real die Filme zu gestalten. It´s a Amazing🙌

  • @simonlaurens584
    @simonlaurens584 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A really great video as always. Always fantastic for inspiration! Look
    Forward to the next one. Thank you.

  • @CZghost
    @CZghost 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That car pass by was awesome! :D

  • @liauchungren848
    @liauchungren848 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Utterly interesting and fun to watch pal. Well done keep loading

  • @mephisto--
    @mephisto-- ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this effect, that's crazy !

  • @crypt0sFX
    @crypt0sFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Superb quality!

  • @CoasterTeaFox
    @CoasterTeaFox ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm making miniatures for a collab with another creator and this helped so much, thank you.😊

  • @nirmalsahu4755
    @nirmalsahu4755 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for tip

  • @YADUSHREEBRIJ
    @YADUSHREEBRIJ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much for nice Technical Explanation with Miniatures

  • @NOT_NativeEN_Speaker
    @NOT_NativeEN_Speaker 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing (Y) Thx for it !!

  • @od628
    @od628 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    fantastic! Definitely trying this out!

  • @AndersBakfeldt
    @AndersBakfeldt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    that was awesome

  • @introvertsharma
    @introvertsharma 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks good

  • @diptiman2008
    @diptiman2008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing...this guy is so creative.

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a genius !

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its all about angles and line... we don't need to worry for Exposure, WB, Shadow...it given already. Using 1.8 definition is dope! This is the best fx I ever seen. It is cheap also...

  • @mattes217
    @mattes217 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you mate! Now i know how to make a shot with my de Lorean time mashine

  • @DanDavisHistory
    @DanDavisHistory 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very cool.

  • @ROYSMoGraphDesign9900k
    @ROYSMoGraphDesign9900k 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is pretty much really Good incredible IDEA which you shown us👀
    to make a Short budget Movies like you said, Grate JOB , it's creative 🔥

  • @altamiradorable
    @altamiradorable 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Steve ! You are the best ! Thumbs up

  • @saaaagar
    @saaaagar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for making this videos they are helping me alot to learn more about low budget filmmaking, miniatures and some of the best techniques for free of cost and easy to watch love from india.

  • @CoolRunningReviews
    @CoolRunningReviews 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a nice fun video, has given me so many crazy ideas to try....thank you.

  • @DaveAMcLaughlin
    @DaveAMcLaughlin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job! 👍

  • @TK42138
    @TK42138 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. Any video that involves using models and miniatures is always interesting. 👍

  • @hs.Racing
    @hs.Racing 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks Steve... we can learn from your channel..

  • @psoon04286
    @psoon04286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hitting the right depth of field is critical in getting the illusion right, and like you say, its the little things that add to the overall effect

  • @UROfpv
    @UROfpv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it!
    Thanks a lot

  • @YannickFilms
    @YannickFilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome🔥 loved the ending😂💯

  • @DevotedSentry
    @DevotedSentry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Helpful as ever! Keep up the great work!

  • @resinotype
    @resinotype 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just perfect. Very helpful. Thanks.

  • @joefalcon870
    @joefalcon870 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thats cool. i have several models at home, will have to give it a go' thanks

  • @RapidActionAnimations
    @RapidActionAnimations 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Looks great! The final shot was a bit off in my option. The car seemed a bit small in that shot and you could have simply stood further away to make it seem bigger. Nonetheless practical effects are really good to use and you did a great job!

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes, I didn't have long to try this one - definitely hard to get the sizes and distances spot on!

    • @Carwyn.Morris
      @Carwyn.Morris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@SteveRamsdenTH-cam The easiest way to get the sizes right is a bit of Math. Distance from lens to model 2ft (scale 1/18) 2 x 18 = 36 Feet.

    • @yourmum69_420
      @yourmum69_420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SteveRamsdenTH-cam also the road wasn't really lined up straight either. Anyway, great tips and video thank you

  • @brandonjacksoon
    @brandonjacksoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's really interesting! Thanks Steve!

  • @pauljakeman
    @pauljakeman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was absolutely BRILLIANT. Thank you!
    I can't even afford a cheap nasty car never mind an expensive posh one haha.

  • @jariylitalo5681
    @jariylitalo5681 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks that Great video Steve!!!

  • @woodshed_moments
    @woodshed_moments ปีที่แล้ว

    Very talented young man...

  • @PipCritten
    @PipCritten 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant as always.

  • @laurentb6853
    @laurentb6853 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Steve, your vidéos are gold nuggets!!! So good to see but rare😇👍🤩🤩 you are very talented , thank you very much to share how you think to set.

  • @ShaundonProductions
    @ShaundonProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always enjoy watching ur videos

  • @GreenMagic0
    @GreenMagic0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun Fact: I love your tutorials bro! Another tip for any after effects user is down....
    I subscribed you bro!

  • @MobileFilmmaking
    @MobileFilmmaking 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome Video. I need to try this...

  • @kawaartsnewsentertainment8684
    @kawaartsnewsentertainment8684 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So,very nice.i like your good suggestion.have a nice day . Dear.....

  • @patsimon6136
    @patsimon6136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you are the best as always !!!!!

  • @gsjjhda2483
    @gsjjhda2483 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool than ever before.

  • @Ric0974
    @Ric0974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are brilliant 🤓🤓🤓

  • @tg5163
    @tg5163 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loooooove ur tutorials😊Thx u🖤

  • @TheRealSKEFT
    @TheRealSKEFT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love ur vids

  • @IshmaelSkyes
    @IshmaelSkyes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's very cool!

  • @gaborriedo7348
    @gaborriedo7348 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow great. Which focal length do you taken for this shot? Great stuff I like it so much.

  • @brandonjacksoon
    @brandonjacksoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Helpful ;) thanks Steve!

  • @stasinossofroniou7430
    @stasinossofroniou7430 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video. Subscribed!

  • @darkworld5026
    @darkworld5026 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Steve, great stuff! I am trying to find the same driver by footage on Artgrid you are using, but cannot find it. Does the clip have a title? Thanks!

  • @passiton3801
    @passiton3801 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love it!

  • @OllisFilmkueche
    @OllisFilmkueche 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tutorial! Thank you!

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @OllisFilmkueche
      @OllisFilmkueche 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SteveRamsdenTH-cam Steve I enjoy your channel a long time and it helps for my own short film projects. Thank you that I can learn many things from your great tutorials.

  • @loui_loi_
    @loui_loi_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Preciate you brother

  • @rfdez2724
    @rfdez2724 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing like always.

  • @allezvenga7617
    @allezvenga7617 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your sharing

  • @marinadela1361
    @marinadela1361 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect trick

  • @rodelbunag9823
    @rodelbunag9823 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing!

  • @Oztubee
    @Oztubee ปีที่แล้ว

    What camera lens did you use? I have a Sony A6400 crop sensor, which would be an equivalent lens to the one you're using?

  • @89dool
    @89dool 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome technique and a great explainer. Can you elaborate on how to add your own shadow onto the car and ground in post production? That would really elevate the shot and erase all doubt of the viewer.

  • @ronweed2030
    @ronweed2030 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This just made me think of modellers who are building kits - but creating museum quality pieces with extreme detailing. Much better than that diecast model you used in this demo.

  • @mousatorfi8753
    @mousatorfi8753 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, is the osmo pocket 2 camera a good camera for making movies from miniature models? Do you have experience working with this camera?

  • @Ric0974
    @Ric0974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I should try this

  • @etchedintime8047
    @etchedintime8047 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, good job, and I'm a film pro!

  • @torocruz1192
    @torocruz1192 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude this video is amazing I am subbing for sure. But can someone please help w me the fake section road. Any tips on what type of materials to use for the asphalt? I am lost. 😏

  • @befana033
    @befana033 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    U need a 0,75x speed for this video ! But absolutely lovely one !
    Thanks bro

  • @RojenBahadur
    @RojenBahadur 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perfect😊

  • @davesamuel8037
    @davesamuel8037 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank You, Superb Video ....

  • @timbeaton5045
    @timbeaton5045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kudos to for adding in that gigantic car that crosses right aacross the scene at the end! How on earth did you get THAT shot?😁😁😁

  • @JudiChristopher
    @JudiChristopher หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Which Canon Camera do you use?

  • @schoeferfilm
    @schoeferfilm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good 👍🏻 we made some years ago a similar sequence 😎🙈 best cinematic greetings from germany

  • @CoconutPete
    @CoconutPete 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someday I'm going to buy your course.. sadly too poor right now to do so

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @KWHCoaster
    @KWHCoaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Careful, the tires can can ruin the illusion when not seated into the ground. They are only perfectly round on the store rack. Look at the light under your right front tire in the road side shot. You can improve the appearance by heating the tires to flat spot and push against them when warm to bulge them, giving the vehicle weight. On a 1/16 model I built, the kit tires were hollow so I used small bolts to secure the model to the base. When I tightened the nuts under the base, they pulled the model to the base and bulged the tires.

  • @shokojimhollingsworth3940
    @shokojimhollingsworth3940 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant! Just had an idea about using the same model in a different way... forced perspective but in the opposite direction. Say, live actors standing on a balcony, shooting from higher up with the model in place just over the railing so as to look like it’s parked in a drive several levels below. More complicated with shadows etc, but it might be interesting to try. (I’m envisioning the veranda of a posh French chateaux with a gravel drive that would again be forgiving with the join. 🤷‍♂️) edit-words

    • @SteveRamsdenYoutube
      @SteveRamsdenYoutube  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, yes models give you loads of good ideas to try!