We just bought this model for my wife with free Supercharging for 19k CHF ( that would be a 33K in AUD), it is full option and feels great. She is very happy after a big Chevrolet SUV that she was driving everyday. 500 monthly for gas just is no more.
Great video. Ive run a P85 from new since 2015 now 138,000 miles. It had a replacement drive unit n motor at 35,000 (known issue drive output bearings are subject to greater than anticipated side loads so replacements have ceramic bearings) and at 75,000 miles a battery fault (overheating due to a coolent leak) was detected by the factory at 2 am LA time and again a replacement sorted within 2 days both under warranty. Now outside of warranty I just love the way the P model goes 0-60 in 4 seconds and being RWD only it steers nice compared to AWD. Im quite capable of looking after 90% of maintenance and to be honest enjoy the cheap parts (thanks ebay) and the free for life supercharging i reckon ill be heading 250,000 next. These cars are not indestructible and I do preventative maintenance, suspension parts (not brakes ) will get "tired" so I just replace them and enjoy the refreshed handing. My recommendations in order of importance.....Replace 4 handles with V2.5 and get the car upgraded on the software, just bite the bullet and solve this stupid problem (no moving wires or micos witches) upgrade to MCU2..........have fun its free!
The longer I own my 2013 Model S the less happy I am about it. There have been more issues then I care to deal with. Nav system updates not working (MCU1), passenger side door popping open, headlight bulbs, alignment issues, sway bar, power window issues, battery (no not the cheap one...the 14k one) ac issues, heat issues, environmental air direction issues. Thats in 10 months from Dec 2022 to this month 9/2023. It may not cost anything for supercharging or LTE data, savings on gas, but the repairs are far more costly then I had anticipated and is triggering my "is this bs worth it" question. Id say this will be my last tesla unfortunately unless something changes with reliability drastically. The 1 service center in the area has alot to be desired. There is an alternative place called EVOLVE but I have never tried them
Since this post I fixed the rear left side power window ($357) now the right rear side power window is glitching. At 104k miles brakes and rotors $1083….evolve was $1250. I still have not gotten the sway bar nor aft links done ($1500). Tire replacement coming up. I use sailun eco ecospheres $231/ea not $450 like the Tesla service center wants to sell me. The issue with the heater directional is probably never going to be fixed at $3500. The sunroof doesn’t always extend all the way back or I have to hit the close multiple times to close it. Recently ran over something in the road at night and it dislodged a good portion of the undercarriage. $140 to have evolve remove it and $800 to replace it and in still waiting parts. It’s been 2 weeks so far.
So 7 months later the car now has 132k miles. I fixed the sway bar and aft links and the price was reduced from 1500 down to 995. However now the air suspension is now a problem and $2500 to fix. I still cant get the alignment bc of the air suspension. I firmly believe if I fix the air suspension something else will deny me getting the alignment. I repaired the rear passenger window.$400. The humidity in Delaware is brutal and driving in the morning the defroster decides if it wants to work or not. I have put a very large towel on my dash to prevent any air from hitting the front windshield which has worked flawlessly. Reminder.....earlier posts I said that no matter what is selected on the directional controls.....air comes out all 3 no matter what. I have now cracked 7 rims and wheeler-ship offers warranties and I now have 4 rims under warranty and a spare front rim not under warranty if I crack a front. Of course with how this car has performed I know 100% ill crack a rear bc thats how it goes. My 14k battery is 2k from being out of warranty when I purchased at 84K in 6/2023. Tesla warranties replacement batteries at 50k or 5 years. My front driver power seat has failed and Tesla wont replace the motor on the chair control they want to replace the whole thing, frame leather chair and all. I didnt even waste my time asking for a price. I was going to ask Evolve to look at it but their diag is $140 and theres a chance they tell me the same thing. The motor part is sold for $50 from EV Parts Online but is currently out of stock. There is a clicking sound from the rear of the car idk wtf that is. Only happens when I pull away from a stop. Not a constant noise. Updates to come at a later date....provided I havent driven off the Delaware Memorial Bridge from frustration 😡🤬
@@inCARnationAustralia almost forgot….a rider was getting in the car and the handle had started to retract after about a min or so….the rider pulled on it as it was retracting and broke the harness. Now I thought that all parts excluded from wear and tear parts were warrantied a year but it seems that they also have a mileage that runs in tandem and bc I had put more then 12,500 miles on it I had to pay another $400 to fix it.
Thanks for the video, I just purchased a March 2015 model S 85 with 36k on the clock for 60k, will pick it up this week from the dealer. New Continental tyres and the high level rear brake light replaced (no working). MCU 2 upgraded and CCS2 charging adaption. This is my first EV and I already love it even though it is not with me. I've installed 30amp Tesla wall chargers at my home and holiday home.
Congrats mate. The MCU2 upgrade is really worth it - especially with 3G being phased out. CCS2 is also highly worth it because of all the new charging options. Enjoy and consider joining the Tesla Owners Club of Australia (assuming you are here by your name).
What a good report! Very informative. Also, great to see you driving on my local roads... wasn't a corner I didn't recognize 😁 Perhaps you should do a follow up with a newer model 3 owner. I'm available...
10/24/2024 Update Drove the car to the service center and after being there for an hour was advised they arent sure yet what the air suspension issue is and they did confirm that the new compressor was causing the additional battery drain. They provided me with a 2023 Model Y (which I hate) its ugly, its not as fast as my S and I dont fit in the seat. Im a bigger guy but at least the power driver seat works. Mine died about 4 to 6 months ago and they wouldnt try to fix the power seat with a new motor they want to replace the whole thing. Before I left I asked them to please provide some type of update prior to going home for the day and that did happen. As of now they are going to order a new compressor and see how that works out. As Lyft is my only source of income this is just another stress point for me. I am happy that I was provided a loaner and I am happy that I wasnt sent some estimate for the cost. Maybe my complaining of the original "diagnostic" charge triggered a proper level of service. Idk how long the compressor will take to come in but when it does will update again. Im gonna ask you guys a question now. Based on my experience with this 2013 Model S and the service centers delay and issue with providing service and how they provide it has it changed your perception of Tesla as a car company?
you can get a 2020 model 3 dual performance in the uk now for 14k i don't see this as a real problem surly the whole point was for the price of these car to come down so they could pass into the hands of mortal people like me. I'm in my 40s and have never owned a car more expensive than 5k thats not because I'm skint but watching and waiting for good car to drop in price. maybe its time to turn tesla.
It's a good time to be alive EJ. Yes second hand EVs getting cheaper by the day. Don't forget to do a battery health check. Performance levels unheard of years ago at affordable prices.
Very nice to meet you at Wahroonga village today. Look forward to seeing more videos from you. I must concur that my Tesla 8000 kilometres into ownership is considerably cheaper to operate than my wife’s late model BMW X4 35d. Also practically no servicing costs. You’re welcome to come drive my Model 3P and please pop along to our go at the Eastern Creek dragway with some sticky rubber and modest weight reduction. Let’s keep in touch!
My model.S p85+ from 2013 is still going. Some updates time to times but normal. We do not know yet how long the car can go to the end, but not know for sure😊
Nice , relaxed review, did enjoy it of the old Model S. It's my favorite Tesla ever! Being that old, it's important to know how long and how they behave in the far distant down under world
@@princess287love Generally speaking, older model S and X that have not been traded back to Tesla. If Tesla buys the car back then the free supercharging no longer applies. From memory some of the newer cars had free supercharging for the owner but it wasn't transferrable. Pretty well all of the 2014-16 originally had lifetime free (but check before buying if that's important to you).
Would you buy a used 6+ old Tesla to drive for Uber and Lyft in? That battery pack losing its ability to charge is my biggest concern as I drive 50k+ miles per year!
Probably. See notes elsewhere in the comments on battery degradation, which was minimal in Mark's case. But your charging habits are important on the older cars. Drive it often, charge often, but try to keep it in the 20-80% range.
Personally? Not unless you are looking to cater for more luggage space where the older S and X are quite a bit bigger. If you are running the car for a business then I'd be inclined to get a new standard range Y. It gives you the space but also has a new car warranty on everything - remember that using the car as a taxi will put a lot more wear and tear on it than normal driving, and all expenses are claimable. You'd also need to consider any government incentives, or offers by the platforms. I know that Uber are renting people EVs to run in their fleet, so that might be worth considering.
Thank you for the video and info. We're looking at a 2014 Model S soon with 130k miles on it. My biggest worry is the battery. It's under warranty until December, but still. Any input? Are the horror stories few and just very loud to scare people? I live in Indiana so winters can be cold and I've read that winter temps can cause the battery to go bad faster. Clean title though.
I think the video addressed that, showing minimal degradation over 7 or 8 years. But we live in a much more temperate climate, rarely sub zero c (32F). So your circumstances may be different. And Mark has a disciplined approach to charging, charging frequently and rarely charging above 80% or running the car close to empty.
It's only a matter of time where the battery will fail. One of the 7000 cells is bound to degrade causing a cascading effect that will shut down the battery. There are independent garages that will identify the bad bank and replace the cells or entire bank for a much more manageable cost but if you do this Tesla will kick you off of the supercharger network. Unfortunately Teslas solution is a 20k battery replacement. They will not service banks or individual cells
I have little doubt that, when it finally does need new batteries, which could be another decade the way it's going - they will be so much better. We can't imagine what the range of this old car might be then, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was double the original.
The biggest issue is Teslas complete disinterest in performing repairs vs replacements of the battery. If one of your 7000 18650 cells fails in your tesla the computer will completely shut down that bank of cells. That in turn will shut down the entire pack. Teslas solution is to replace the entire pack resulting in a 20k USD bill. Thats why the resale of older teslas are plumeting in the US
Yes that's a very good point, with 9000+ cells in a car. I see some TH-camr videos show replacement of packs, or individual cells. Is that common, or a growth industry in the US? Does Tesla frown on it and make life difficult for workshops who try?
@@inCARnationAustralia there are some small garages that will replace modules in the battery pack. If Tesla figures out those batteries were opened they will lock that vehicle out of the supercharging network. In order to be granted access back into the network you need to fork over 4500 USD for an inspection
@@douglasdangelo6755 So Tesla penalises people for repairing their vehicles inexpensively, when they break through no fault of the customer. That sends a clear message to customers. You might like us - but we don't like you. Same as for penalising the early adopters with the massive unheralded price drops. Boo...
I wonder if they will support upgrading batteries for these old moddels so one can have more range on them. I'd like to buy the older model so being sure that tesla would do something like that would be much appreciated..
@@inCARnationAustralia I wish other companies would be allowed to do that. as far as I know I doubt Tesla would allow others Because of "safety concerns" No large company especially Newer ones wants the bad press if a battery were to malfunction and harm someone. Though I hope they make it possible for the New lFP batteries to be mounted on the older models.. That would be a true game changer, as the drive units/Motors are far longer lived then the diesel/benzin based ones. Ps: Enjoyed the video keep at it :)= (New viewer)
Evidently Tesla aren't making it easy for aftermarket repairers. People like electrifiedgarage.com are trying. See well-known Tesla aftermarket guy "Rich Rebuilds" has YT videos on the topic. He was at least able to swap over individual battery bricks as they degraded, not the entire pack as Tesla wanted to do. Hoovies Garage also bought a Tesla with a dodgy battery, and was quoted a price by Tesla to replace it that was approx. the cost of the whole vehicle. But for the moment - it seems not a lot of support by Tesla itself for the concept.
@@inCARnationAustralia Yes i've seen these videos in my research. It's a real shame! The availability to get services through third parties would make Ev's (From Tesla) atleast more adopted I think!
New Update....as the issues continue along with the incompetence of the Service Center. 10/23/2024 - I was forced to fix the Air suspension issues as the car scrapes the bottom on all bumps including hard scraping on any speed bump. I put the service call in on 9/25/2024 and wasnt able to get an appt until 10/07/2024. As usual I always try to r/s but was told the parts probably wouldnt be in until closer to the 7th. As the 7th was on a Monday Tesla service reached out via text and advised that the parts wouldnt be in on time and my service appt was r/s to the 21st. I immediately checked for a sooner appt but a few days out and was able to book the 9th. After which the service center said that they wont be in that soon and moved the appt back to the 21st of Oct. I was advised that the parts did arrive on the afternoon of the 9th and was able to r/s to the 10th of October. I very carefully drove the car to the service center and arrived about 30 mins prior to the service call and had someone pick me up. Later that day I was contacted by Tesla service and was advised that the wrong compressor had been ordered. Parts for Tesla are ordered per the VIN on the vehicle and this would be the 2nd instance this has happened. The last time was on my headlight bulbs but Tesla had them in stock and ran me $100 more then the ones quoted. No tesla service did not reduce the price of the quoted bulbs. Great customer service right? So I was advised that the compressor would not be in and I quote "the 15th at the earliest" My compressor arrived on the 15th (unbelievable) and they proceeded to work on my car. I pretty much had to beg for any update and after they confirmed the compressor was working they replaced the rear struts. On the morning of the 16th (thursday) I was advised I may get my car back by COB (5pm). No message no text and I texted prior to them opening and asked for an update. They advised me that my car was ready as they let the car sit overnight to make sure there werent any leaks. Would of been nice to get this information before it was time to go home the previous day huh since they did say I may get my car back by COB but NOPE. So I pick up my car Friday around 10am and proceed to drive home. I worked for the next couple of days and the 1st thing I notice is that now my car is burning thru KwH at 2kwh per mile. I watch it hard the rest of the day and yep....2kwh per mile and on the weekend i tried to contact support from the website which if you say theres a battery issue all that happens is you get directed to see ways to reduce it. Then on Monday morning the air suspension failure light comes back on and I schedule another service call for 11/1. By the morning of 10/18 the car is back to scraping speed bumps so I come home. Advise the service center of the issues and over the course of a couple of days I was able to r/s the appt to sooner and sooner. I now have an appt for 10/24. They had the fkn nerve to try to put a diagnostic fee of $200 for me to approve. Well my response back was firm enough that they havent pushed me for me to accept it....bc honestly I just paid 3621.75 and you think im gonna pay a diagnostic charge when you didnt fix it right in the first place? lol ya no. I have since paid off this car so I no longer have a car payment and I reduced the insurance to liability only as I checked with the trade in value and KBB value and its less then any repair would be so all the insurance company is going to do is total the car. My insurance premium was 1600/6 months. Car has 139,000 miles on it and is now out of battery warranty. I did ask them if the new compressor was causing the additional battery consumption and they advised no. So we will see tomorrow. More updates to come 😡😠🤬
Oh dear. Thanks for sharing. I hope they do the right thing. Whereabouts in the world are you - can you advise city please? Presume USA as you're using imperial units. Just out of interest if you were to consider another car right now, would it be a Tesla, some other EV, or something else?
@@inCARnationAustralia I live in Delaware. East Coast US. Im pretty sold on the tesla and some of these issues are because I drive for Lyft but to charge me for fixing the air suspension and the rear struts and it breaking down 3 days later is unacceptable for a any price. I absolutely refuse to get another one thats not under warranty. The second its out of warranty im trading it in. Based on this model and based on the number of service calls here at the 1 service center in delaware I have to say that quality of parts and service seem to be a far cry for Tesla here. Id actually like to sit down with Elon for 10 minutes to tell him whats been happening but I doubt he would nor based on some comments he had made about the Tesla vehicle hed even care
Losing a little less than half the range in battery capacity when older than 7 years, hmmm. So what is the cost of a battery replacement? They can be replaced but it will cost you. The estimated cost years ago when I looked into it was $7500 for a new battery pack. What is it now?
Actually no. Less than 10%. The original range of that car was claimed to be 426km when Mark bought it new in 2014. He found the actual range at that time was 390km @ 100% charge. And as we said in the video, current range is still 384km @ 100% charge, seven years later. So no, it didn't lose "a little less than half" the range in all that time. Less than 2% on actual, or less than 10% on manufacturer's original claim. Maybe you're confusing it with the much longer range of current cars with more modern batteries. The cost of a new battery pack won't be a concern for him as I'm sure he'll trade it for a new car before it's ten years old. And a high degree of confidence that the new car's batteries will outlive the car. In any case, they're warrantied for ten years or 160,000km so I don't think it's a concern for him at all.
@@inCARnationAustralia Hi Stu, the sticker from my car actually said 502km of range when new and in "Rated" range. It was never going to do that and you are right that it was closer to 390km. The degradation has been minimal and as you point out the current 100% range is still showing as good. It may actually be better if I ran the car down and then charged to 100% to re-calibrate as I haven't done a full range charge on the car in ages and the pack could report higher with balancing. Also, the unlimited drivetrain and battery warranty was 8 years and has now expired, so yes, I'm running a risk. I haven't priced a new one but it'd probably be less than what I spent rebuilding my 928's V8 back in 2009. @Tom, the car has been really good from a range loss perspective. The biggest drawback of it today is that the newer cars supercharge so much faster - although I also have lifetime free supercharging which means that long distance trips are essentially free. The reality of a long trip in the car in 2023 is that there are now loads of charging options compared to when I bought it, and that we usually plan to stop for a coffee/meal/bio break after 2.5-3 hours anyway so the range isn't an issue. Around town it's never an issue and I just charge at home using cheap off peak or solar power.
@@inCARnationAustralia remember the batterypack is much bigger than you think. You have extra kw of battery for safety and emergency. And when the batterypack degrades tesla unlocks those extra kw to drive. Giving you more range. The degradation is probably around 40-50km. But tesla unlocks batterycells for driving the more the wear especially on the older models
@@andyevedal What an interesting feature. I'd never heard of that. How clever. But Andreas we didn't make the numbers up. They're straight from the car. Mark drives the car daily and is very careful about his charging habits, so maybe his is an exceptional case. I'm sure he'd like to comment.
well thats just false, you dont get a 6km degration from 7 years. Atleast 60-70km. Tesla batteries especially old ones drop battery health from 100 to 95 or 90 pretty quick then evens out.
i own this exact car, and its the safest car i have ever driven. Even bieng rwd. Because of the weight the traction so great. And it is so great at winter aswell
Obviously you know better than me. I just own it. lol. According to you the max range of my car should now be about 310km then. It was 347 @ 90% when new (Dec 2014) and is now (April 2023) around 339-340 @90%. Bear in mind that we recorded this video a year ago. It's important to compare "Typical" range figures rather than "Rated" range figures. You can choose to display either via a setting in the car. "Rated" from memory used the NEDC standard which was wildly optimistic. "Typical" in my S85 is based on 200Wh/km and is very, very close to reality 99% of the time. My lifetime average on the car is around 190Wh/km.
i have 2015 model s with 230,000kms battery has lost about 10%, original brakes, motors, battery. main costs are tyres, It has had some new door handles and MCU. I supercharge mine often as have free supercharging, up to 101 times in 6 months according to the Tesla app. These batteries do not suffer from huge degradation.
When will Tesla ever update their interior on their cars to truly be a luxury interior instead of a subpar interior?? Even a 2023 model S looks like a $25k car in the inside!! 🤬🤬🤬
The new refreshed S and X look drastically different inside. They are minimalist for sure, but I actually prefer that to the plethora of buttons and switches that infect a lot of new luxury cars. That being said, check out the Genesis GV60 if you like over the top interiors.
Zero to 100 is the EV's party trick. You should go for a drive in one. They're fun. But once past 150km/h your Bugatti will pull away from garden variety Teslas. Unless it's a Tesla Model S Plaid.
that's easy you or anyone for that matter shouldn't buy new, old or any other EV for that matter until new battery tech is invented and better laws are put in place preventing companies to literally do anything they want with the cars you buy well that's what you should do if you have any working brain cells
We just bought this model for my wife with free Supercharging for 19k CHF ( that would be a 33K in AUD), it is full option and feels great.
She is very happy after a big Chevrolet SUV that she was driving everyday. 500 monthly for gas just is no more.
Thanks for sharing!
Great video. Ive run a P85 from new since 2015 now 138,000 miles. It had a replacement drive unit n motor at 35,000 (known issue drive output bearings are subject to greater than anticipated side loads so replacements have ceramic bearings) and at 75,000 miles a battery fault (overheating due to a coolent leak) was detected by the factory at 2 am LA time and again a replacement sorted within 2 days both under warranty. Now outside of warranty I just love the way the P model goes 0-60 in 4 seconds and being RWD only it steers nice compared to AWD. Im quite capable of looking after 90% of maintenance and to be honest enjoy the cheap parts (thanks ebay) and the free for life supercharging i reckon ill be heading 250,000 next. These cars are not indestructible and I do preventative maintenance, suspension parts (not brakes ) will get "tired" so I just replace them and enjoy the refreshed handing. My recommendations in order of importance.....Replace 4 handles with V2.5 and get the car upgraded on the software, just bite the bullet and solve this stupid problem (no moving wires or micos witches) upgrade to MCU2..........have fun its free!
Cool story! Thanks for sharing
The longer I own my 2013 Model S the less happy I am about it. There have been more issues then I care to deal with. Nav system updates not working (MCU1), passenger side door popping open, headlight bulbs, alignment issues, sway bar, power window issues, battery (no not the cheap one...the 14k one) ac issues, heat issues, environmental air direction issues. Thats in 10 months from Dec 2022 to this month 9/2023. It may not cost anything for supercharging or LTE data, savings on gas, but the repairs are far more costly then I had anticipated and is triggering my "is this bs worth it" question. Id say this will be my last tesla unfortunately unless something changes with reliability drastically. The 1 service center in the area has alot to be desired. There is an alternative place called EVOLVE but I have never tried them
Sorry to read about the issues you’re having, this was very helpful because I have seriously been considering purchasing one
Sorry to hear about your poor experience. Thanks for sharing
Since this post I fixed the rear left side power window ($357) now the right rear side power window is glitching. At 104k miles brakes and rotors $1083….evolve was $1250. I still have not gotten the sway bar nor aft links done ($1500). Tire replacement coming up. I use sailun eco ecospheres $231/ea not $450 like the Tesla service center wants to sell me. The issue with the heater directional is probably never going to be fixed at $3500. The sunroof doesn’t always extend all the way back or I have to hit the close multiple times to close it. Recently ran over something in the road at night and it dislodged a good portion of the undercarriage. $140 to have evolve remove it and $800 to replace it and in still waiting parts. It’s been 2 weeks so far.
@dupaacct5956 wow .. crazy ..I was just about to buy a 2014 ..I think I change my mind
@@biggerthanhiphop7641get new Better
So 7 months later the car now has 132k miles. I fixed the sway bar and aft links and the price was reduced from 1500 down to 995. However now the air suspension is now a problem and $2500 to fix. I still cant get the alignment bc of the air suspension. I firmly believe if I fix the air suspension something else will deny me getting the alignment. I repaired the rear passenger window.$400. The humidity in Delaware is brutal and driving in the morning the defroster decides if it wants to work or not. I have put a very large towel on my dash to prevent any air from hitting the front windshield which has worked flawlessly. Reminder.....earlier posts I said that no matter what is selected on the directional controls.....air comes out all 3 no matter what. I have now cracked 7 rims and wheeler-ship offers warranties and I now have 4 rims under warranty and a spare front rim not under warranty if I crack a front. Of course with how this car has performed I know 100% ill crack a rear bc thats how it goes. My 14k battery is 2k from being out of warranty when I purchased at 84K in 6/2023. Tesla warranties replacement batteries at 50k or 5 years. My front driver power seat has failed and Tesla wont replace the motor on the chair control they want to replace the whole thing, frame leather chair and all. I didnt even waste my time asking for a price. I was going to ask Evolve to look at it but their diag is $140 and theres a chance they tell me the same thing. The motor part is sold for $50 from EV Parts Online but is currently out of stock. There is a clicking sound from the rear of the car idk wtf that is. Only happens when I pull away from a stop. Not a constant noise. Updates to come at a later date....provided I havent driven off the Delaware Memorial Bridge from frustration 😡🤬
Oh dear. That doesn't sounds like much fun at all. Sorry to read of your woes.
@@inCARnationAustralia almost forgot….a rider was getting in the car and the handle had started to retract after about a min or so….the rider pulled on it as it was retracting and broke the harness. Now I thought that all parts excluded from wear and tear parts were warrantied a year but it seems that they also have a mileage that runs in tandem and bc I had put more then 12,500 miles on it I had to pay another $400 to fix it.
Thanks for the video, I just purchased a March 2015 model S 85 with 36k on the clock for 60k, will pick it up this week from the dealer. New Continental tyres and the high level rear brake light replaced (no working). MCU 2 upgraded and CCS2 charging adaption. This is my first EV and I already love it even though it is not with me. I've installed 30amp Tesla wall chargers at my home and holiday home.
Congrats mate. The MCU2 upgrade is really worth it - especially with 3G being phased out. CCS2 is also highly worth it because of all the new charging options. Enjoy and consider joining the Tesla Owners Club of Australia (assuming you are here by your name).
@@markedwards4879 Hey Mark, I'm already a member of TOCA.
That’s a lot. They have that exact model Tesla and mileage in my city for 35-40k
What a good report! Very informative. Also, great to see you driving on my local roads... wasn't a corner I didn't recognize 😁
Perhaps you should do a follow up with a newer model 3 owner. I'm available...
Hi John ... great idea. Here's a Model 3 Performance review we prepared earlier!
th-cam.com/video/_8_Yak4Rs7k/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for convincing me to keep mine.
10/24/2024 Update
Drove the car to the service center and after being there for an hour was advised they arent sure yet what the air suspension issue is and they did confirm that the new compressor was causing the additional battery drain. They provided me with a 2023 Model Y (which I hate) its ugly, its not as fast as my S and I dont fit in the seat. Im a bigger guy but at least the power driver seat works. Mine died about 4 to 6 months ago and they wouldnt try to fix the power seat with a new motor they want to replace the whole thing. Before I left I asked them to please provide some type of update prior to going home for the day and that did happen. As of now they are going to order a new compressor and see how that works out. As Lyft is my only source of income this is just another stress point for me. I am happy that I was provided a loaner and I am happy that I wasnt sent some estimate for the cost. Maybe my complaining of the original "diagnostic" charge triggered a proper level of service. Idk how long the compressor will take to come in but when it does will update again. Im gonna ask you guys a question now. Based on my experience with this 2013 Model S and the service centers delay and issue with providing service and how they provide it has it changed your perception of Tesla as a car company?
you can get a 2020 model 3 dual performance in the uk now for 14k i don't see this as a real problem surly the whole point was for the price of these car to come down so they could pass into the hands of mortal people like me. I'm in my 40s and have never owned a car more expensive than 5k thats not because I'm skint but watching and waiting for good car to drop in price. maybe its time to turn tesla.
It's a good time to be alive EJ. Yes second hand EVs getting cheaper by the day. Don't forget to do a battery health check. Performance levels unheard of years ago at affordable prices.
Very nice to meet you at Wahroonga village today. Look forward to seeing more videos from you. I must concur that my Tesla 8000 kilometres into ownership is considerably cheaper to operate than my wife’s late model BMW X4 35d. Also practically no servicing costs. You’re welcome to come drive my Model 3P and please pop along to our go at the Eastern Creek dragway with some sticky rubber and modest weight reduction. Let’s keep in touch!
Great to meet you too. Very nicely presented Model 3 Performance you have there. Your channel has a new subscriber. Stu.
My model.S p85+ from 2013 is still going. Some updates time to times but normal. We do not know yet how long the car can go to the end, but not know for sure😊
How many miles
Nice , relaxed review, did enjoy it of the old Model S. It's my favorite Tesla ever! Being that old, it's important to know how long and how they behave in the far distant down under world
Actually models that still have free supercharging are worth a lot more..
I’m quite happy to be proven wrong on that. :D I must admit that the free supercharging is a nice feeling that never gets old.
Do you know what models ?
Which ones
@@princess287love Generally speaking, older model S and X that have not been traded back to Tesla. If Tesla buys the car back then the free supercharging no longer applies. From memory some of the newer cars had free supercharging for the owner but it wasn't transferrable. Pretty well all of the 2014-16 originally had lifetime free (but check before buying if that's important to you).
no engine noise, no squealing tyre corners...so unusual for you Stu. great insight Mark, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it Anton. I suspect your next car will be electric - probably a Kia EV6 GT or Hyundai Ioniq 5. Quite big enough to take the drums.
@@inCARnationAustralia I will be looking for your advice in a few years time...keep the reviews coming!
Would you buy a used 6+ old Tesla to drive for Uber and Lyft in? That battery pack losing its ability to charge is my biggest concern as I drive 50k+ miles per year!
Probably. See notes elsewhere in the comments on battery degradation, which was minimal in Mark's case. But your charging habits are important on the older cars. Drive it often, charge often, but try to keep it in the 20-80% range.
Personally? Not unless you are looking to cater for more luggage space where the older S and X are quite a bit bigger. If you are running the car for a business then I'd be inclined to get a new standard range Y. It gives you the space but also has a new car warranty on everything - remember that using the car as a taxi will put a lot more wear and tear on it than normal driving, and all expenses are claimable. You'd also need to consider any government incentives, or offers by the platforms. I know that Uber are renting people EVs to run in their fleet, so that might be worth considering.
Thank you for the video and info. We're looking at a 2014 Model S soon with 130k miles on it. My biggest worry is the battery. It's under warranty until December, but still. Any input? Are the horror stories few and just very loud to scare people? I live in Indiana so winters can be cold and I've read that winter temps can cause the battery to go bad faster. Clean title though.
I think the video addressed that, showing minimal degradation over 7 or 8 years. But we live in a much more temperate climate, rarely sub zero c (32F). So your circumstances may be different. And Mark has a disciplined approach to charging, charging frequently and rarely charging above 80% or running the car close to empty.
It's only a matter of time where the battery will fail. One of the 7000 cells is bound to degrade causing a cascading effect that will shut down the battery. There are independent garages that will identify the bad bank and replace the cells or entire bank for a much more manageable cost but if you do this Tesla will kick you off of the supercharger network. Unfortunately Teslas solution is a 20k battery replacement. They will not service banks or individual cells
great content! always wondered how Teslas hold up
I have little doubt that, when it finally does need new batteries, which could be another decade the way it's going - they will be so much better. We can't imagine what the range of this old car might be then, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was double the original.
The biggest issue is Teslas complete disinterest in performing repairs vs replacements of the battery. If one of your 7000 18650 cells fails in your tesla the computer will completely shut down that bank of cells. That in turn will shut down the entire pack. Teslas solution is to replace the entire pack resulting in a 20k USD bill. Thats why the resale of older teslas are plumeting in the US
Yes that's a very good point, with 9000+ cells in a car. I see some TH-camr videos show replacement of packs, or individual cells. Is that common, or a growth industry in the US? Does Tesla frown on it and make life difficult for workshops who try?
@@inCARnationAustralia there are some small garages that will replace modules in the battery pack. If Tesla figures out those batteries were opened they will lock that vehicle out of the supercharging network. In order to be granted access back into the network you need to fork over 4500 USD for an inspection
@@douglasdangelo6755 So Tesla penalises people for repairing their vehicles inexpensively, when they break through no fault of the customer. That sends a clear message to customers. You might like us - but we don't like you. Same as for penalising the early adopters with the massive unheralded price drops. Boo...
I wonder if they will support upgrading batteries for these old moddels so one can have more range on them. I'd like to buy the older model so being sure that tesla would do something like that would be much appreciated..
That's a very good suggestion. If not by Tesla, but by other companies. The owner, Mark, might is across these ideas and might have something to add.
@@inCARnationAustralia I wish other companies would be allowed to do that. as far as I know I doubt Tesla would allow others Because of "safety concerns"
No large company especially Newer ones wants the bad press if a battery were to malfunction and harm someone.
Though I hope they make it possible for the New lFP batteries to be mounted on the older models.. That would be a true game changer, as the drive units/Motors are far longer lived then the diesel/benzin based ones.
Ps: Enjoyed the video keep at it :)= (New viewer)
Evidently Tesla aren't making it easy for aftermarket repairers. People like electrifiedgarage.com are trying. See well-known Tesla aftermarket guy "Rich Rebuilds" has YT videos on the topic. He was at least able to swap over individual battery bricks as they degraded, not the entire pack as Tesla wanted to do. Hoovies Garage also bought a Tesla with a dodgy battery, and was quoted a price by Tesla to replace it that was approx. the cost of the whole vehicle. But for the moment - it seems not a lot of support by Tesla itself for the concept.
@@inCARnationAustralia Yes i've seen these videos in my research. It's a real shame!
The availability to get services through third parties would make Ev's (From Tesla) atleast more adopted I think!
Apparently the biggest battery the S85 can take is 90kwh due to the weight. It may depend on which suspension it has.
Great video. Im considering getting an older one. BTW, passenger looks a bit like Angus Young. LOL
Ha ha. I wish I could play like him!
@@inCARnationAustralia haha me too brother.
Thank you
Awesome thanks for sharing
New Update....as the issues continue along with the incompetence of the Service Center.
10/23/2024 - I was forced to fix the Air suspension issues as the car scrapes the bottom on all bumps including hard scraping on any speed bump. I put the service call in on 9/25/2024 and wasnt able to get an appt until 10/07/2024. As usual I always try to r/s but was told the parts probably wouldnt be in until closer to the 7th. As the 7th was on a Monday Tesla service reached out via text and advised that the parts wouldnt be in on time and my service appt was r/s to the 21st. I immediately checked for a sooner appt but a few days out and was able to book the 9th. After which the service center said that they wont be in that soon and moved the appt back to the 21st of Oct. I was advised that the parts did arrive on the afternoon of the 9th and was able to r/s to the 10th of October. I very carefully drove the car to the service center and arrived about 30 mins prior to the service call and had someone pick me up. Later that day I was contacted by Tesla service and was advised that the wrong compressor had been ordered. Parts for Tesla are ordered per the VIN on the vehicle and this would be the 2nd instance this has happened. The last time was on my headlight bulbs but Tesla had them in stock and ran me $100 more then the ones quoted. No tesla service did not reduce the price of the quoted bulbs. Great customer service right? So I was advised that the compressor would not be in and I quote "the 15th at the earliest" My compressor arrived on the 15th (unbelievable) and they proceeded to work on my car. I pretty much had to beg for any update and after they confirmed the compressor was working they replaced the rear struts. On the morning of the 16th (thursday) I was advised I may get my car back by COB (5pm). No message no text and I texted prior to them opening and asked for an update. They advised me that my car was ready as they let the car sit overnight to make sure there werent any leaks. Would of been nice to get this information before it was time to go home the previous day huh since they did say I may get my car back by COB but NOPE. So I pick up my car Friday around 10am and proceed to drive home. I worked for the next couple of days and the 1st thing I notice is that now my car is burning thru KwH at 2kwh per mile. I watch it hard the rest of the day and yep....2kwh per mile and on the weekend i tried to contact support from the website which if you say theres a battery issue all that happens is you get directed to see ways to reduce it. Then on Monday morning the air suspension failure light comes back on and I schedule another service call for 11/1. By the morning of 10/18 the car is back to scraping speed bumps so I come home. Advise the service center of the issues and over the course of a couple of days I was able to r/s the appt to sooner and sooner. I now have an appt for 10/24. They had the fkn nerve to try to put a diagnostic fee of $200 for me to approve. Well my response back was firm enough that they havent pushed me for me to accept it....bc honestly I just paid 3621.75 and you think im gonna pay a diagnostic charge when you didnt fix it right in the first place? lol ya no. I have since paid off this car so I no longer have a car payment and I reduced the insurance to liability only as I checked with the trade in value and KBB value and its less then any repair would be so all the insurance company is going to do is total the car. My insurance premium was 1600/6 months. Car has 139,000 miles on it and is now out of battery warranty. I did ask them if the new compressor was causing the additional battery consumption and they advised no. So we will see tomorrow. More updates to come 😡😠🤬
Oh dear. Thanks for sharing. I hope they do the right thing. Whereabouts in the world are you - can you advise city please? Presume USA as you're using imperial units. Just out of interest if you were to consider another car right now, would it be a Tesla, some other EV, or something else?
@@inCARnationAustralia I live in Delaware. East Coast US. Im pretty sold on the tesla and some of these issues are because I drive for Lyft but to charge me for fixing the air suspension and the rear struts and it breaking down 3 days later is unacceptable for a any price. I absolutely refuse to get another one thats not under warranty. The second its out of warranty im trading it in. Based on this model and based on the number of service calls here at the 1 service center in delaware I have to say that quality of parts and service seem to be a far cry for Tesla here. Id actually like to sit down with Elon for 10 minutes to tell him whats been happening but I doubt he would nor based on some comments he had made about the Tesla vehicle hed even care
11:00 wipers relentlessly scratching air dry windshields.
Losing a little less than half the range in battery capacity when older than 7 years, hmmm. So what is the cost of a battery replacement? They can be replaced but it will cost you. The estimated cost years ago when I looked into it was $7500 for a new battery pack. What is it now?
Actually no. Less than 10%. The original range of that car was claimed to be 426km when Mark bought it new in 2014. He found the actual range at that time was 390km @ 100% charge. And as we said in the video, current range is still 384km @ 100% charge, seven years later. So no, it didn't lose "a little less than half" the range in all that time. Less than 2% on actual, or less than 10% on manufacturer's original claim. Maybe you're confusing it with the much longer range of current cars with more modern batteries. The cost of a new battery pack won't be a concern for him as I'm sure he'll trade it for a new car before it's ten years old. And a high degree of confidence that the new car's batteries will outlive the car. In any case, they're warrantied for ten years or 160,000km so I don't think it's a concern for him at all.
@@inCARnationAustralia Hi Stu, the sticker from my car actually said 502km of range when new and in "Rated" range. It was never going to do that and you are right that it was closer to 390km. The degradation has been minimal and as you point out the current 100% range is still showing as good. It may actually be better if I ran the car down and then charged to 100% to re-calibrate as I haven't done a full range charge on the car in ages and the pack could report higher with balancing.
Also, the unlimited drivetrain and battery warranty was 8 years and has now expired, so yes, I'm running a risk. I haven't priced a new one but it'd probably be less than what I spent rebuilding my 928's V8 back in 2009.
@Tom, the car has been really good from a range loss perspective. The biggest drawback of it today is that the newer cars supercharge so much faster - although I also have lifetime free supercharging which means that long distance trips are essentially free. The reality of a long trip in the car in 2023 is that there are now loads of charging options compared to when I bought it, and that we usually plan to stop for a coffee/meal/bio break after 2.5-3 hours anyway so the range isn't an issue. Around town it's never an issue and I just charge at home using cheap off peak or solar power.
Get the free supercarger version.
6:20 that's surprisingly low battery degradation
Yes it is. Charging habits, ranges and frequency clearly matter. Mark knows how to look after his batteries.
@@inCARnationAustralia remember the batterypack is much bigger than you think. You have extra kw of battery for safety and emergency. And when the batterypack degrades tesla unlocks those extra kw to drive. Giving you more range. The degradation is probably around 40-50km. But tesla unlocks batterycells for driving the more the wear especially on the older models
@@andyevedal What an interesting feature. I'd never heard of that. How clever. But Andreas we didn't make the numbers up. They're straight from the car. Mark drives the car daily and is very careful about his charging habits, so maybe his is an exceptional case. I'm sure he'd like to comment.
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well thats just false, you dont get a 6km degration from 7 years. Atleast 60-70km. Tesla batteries especially old ones drop battery health from 100 to 95 or 90 pretty quick then evens out.
i own this exact car, and its the safest car i have ever driven. Even bieng rwd. Because of the weight the traction so great. And it is so great at winter aswell
Obviously you know better than me. I just own it. lol. According to you the max range of my car should now be about 310km then. It was 347 @ 90% when new (Dec 2014) and is now (April 2023) around 339-340 @90%. Bear in mind that we recorded this video a year ago. It's important to compare "Typical" range figures rather than "Rated" range figures. You can choose to display either via a setting in the car. "Rated" from memory used the NEDC standard which was wildly optimistic. "Typical" in my S85 is based on 200Wh/km and is very, very close to reality 99% of the time. My lifetime average on the car is around 190Wh/km.
i have 2015 model s with 230,000kms battery has lost about 10%, original brakes, motors, battery. main costs are tyres, It has had some new door handles and MCU. I supercharge mine often as have free supercharging, up to 101 times in 6 months according to the Tesla app. These batteries do not suffer from huge degradation.
Teslas have notoriously bad reliability and repair cost is ridiculous. Out of warranty these cars are garbage.
You can get these for 20 now lol
When will Tesla ever update their interior on their cars to truly be a luxury interior instead of a subpar interior?? Even a 2023 model S looks like a $25k car in the inside!! 🤬🤬🤬
Fair comment. The old Model S is looking pretty dated inside.
The new refreshed S and X look drastically different inside. They are minimalist for sure, but I actually prefer that to the plethora of buttons and switches that infect a lot of new luxury cars. That being said, check out the Genesis GV60 if you like over the top interiors.
you can find this car for 25k so I think it looks good for the price
Interesting how Elon charges that much for a battery and computer, nothing about the car is luxury, honestly biggiest scammer of the century 😂😂😂
0 to 100 in 3.2 seconds? No way!! That's faster than a Bugatti
Zero to 100 is the EV's party trick. You should go for a drive in one. They're fun. But once past 150km/h your Bugatti will pull away from garden variety Teslas. Unless it's a Tesla Model S Plaid.
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Indeed. Collect your cupie doll next time you're passing through
@@inCARnationAustralia And here is the mind which hath wisdom
I wouldn't buy, no older than 2016, probably better to get 2018 and up of course
that's easy you or anyone for that matter shouldn't buy new, old or any other EV for that matter until new battery tech is invented and better laws are put in place preventing companies to literally do anything they want with the cars you buy well that's what you should do if you have any working brain cells