TESLA MODEL S (2014) //Should I buy an old Tesla?
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- The original Tesla Model S. Extended road test and review. A real watershed car when it came out but how has it stood the test of time? The pace of change in the EV world is ferocious but this is an old car now. When it first came out it stunned us with amazing off-the-mark acceleration and great performance, but the goalposts have moved a lot in a decade. Let's find out how it stacks up. Has it been reliable? And would it make a good used car? Come for a ride with Stu (and the very knowledgeable owner) and let's see find out.
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We just bought this model for my wife with free Supercharging for 19k CHF ( that would be a 33K in AUD), it is full option and feels great.
She is very happy after a big Chevrolet SUV that she was driving everyday. 500 monthly for gas just is no more.
Thanks for sharing!
Great video. Ive run a P85 from new since 2015 now 138,000 miles. It had a replacement drive unit n motor at 35,000 (known issue drive output bearings are subject to greater than anticipated side loads so replacements have ceramic bearings) and at 75,000 miles a battery fault (overheating due to a coolent leak) was detected by the factory at 2 am LA time and again a replacement sorted within 2 days both under warranty. Now outside of warranty I just love the way the P model goes 0-60 in 4 seconds and being RWD only it steers nice compared to AWD. Im quite capable of looking after 90% of maintenance and to be honest enjoy the cheap parts (thanks ebay) and the free for life supercharging i reckon ill be heading 250,000 next. These cars are not indestructible and I do preventative maintenance, suspension parts (not brakes ) will get "tired" so I just replace them and enjoy the refreshed handing. My recommendations in order of importance.....Replace 4 handles with V2.5 and get the car upgraded on the software, just bite the bullet and solve this stupid problem (no moving wires or micos witches) upgrade to MCU2..........have fun its free!
Cool story! Thanks for sharing
Thank you for convincing me to keep mine.
Awesome thanks for sharing
What a good report! Very informative. Also, great to see you driving on my local roads... wasn't a corner I didn't recognize 😁
Perhaps you should do a follow up with a newer model 3 owner. I'm available...
Hi John ... great idea. Here's a Model 3 Performance review we prepared earlier!
th-cam.com/video/_8_Yak4Rs7k/w-d-xo.html
Nice , relaxed review, did enjoy it of the old Model S. It's my favorite Tesla ever! Being that old, it's important to know how long and how they behave in the far distant down under world
Thank you
The longer I own my 2013 Model S the less happy I am about it. There have been more issues then I care to deal with. Nav system updates not working (MCU1), passenger side door popping open, headlight bulbs, alignment issues, sway bar, power window issues, battery (no not the cheap one...the 14k one) ac issues, heat issues, environmental air direction issues. Thats in 10 months from Dec 2022 to this month 9/2023. It may not cost anything for supercharging or LTE data, savings on gas, but the repairs are far more costly then I had anticipated and is triggering my "is this bs worth it" question. Id say this will be my last tesla unfortunately unless something changes with reliability drastically. The 1 service center in the area has alot to be desired. There is an alternative place called EVOLVE but I have never tried them
Sorry to read about the issues you’re having, this was very helpful because I have seriously been considering purchasing one
Sorry to hear about your poor experience. Thanks for sharing
Since this post I fixed the rear left side power window ($357) now the right rear side power window is glitching. At 104k miles brakes and rotors $1083….evolve was $1250. I still have not gotten the sway bar nor aft links done ($1500). Tire replacement coming up. I use sailun eco ecospheres $231/ea not $450 like the Tesla service center wants to sell me. The issue with the heater directional is probably never going to be fixed at $3500. The sunroof doesn’t always extend all the way back or I have to hit the close multiple times to close it. Recently ran over something in the road at night and it dislodged a good portion of the undercarriage. $140 to have evolve remove it and $800 to replace it and in still waiting parts. It’s been 2 weeks so far.
@dupaacct5956 wow .. crazy ..I was just about to buy a 2014 ..I think I change my mind
@@biggerthanhiphop7641get new Better
Very nice to meet you at Wahroonga village today. Look forward to seeing more videos from you. I must concur that my Tesla 8000 kilometres into ownership is considerably cheaper to operate than my wife’s late model BMW X4 35d. Also practically no servicing costs. You’re welcome to come drive my Model 3P and please pop along to our go at the Eastern Creek dragway with some sticky rubber and modest weight reduction. Let’s keep in touch!
Great to meet you too. Very nicely presented Model 3 Performance you have there. Your channel has a new subscriber. Stu.
great content! always wondered how Teslas hold up
I have little doubt that, when it finally does need new batteries, which could be another decade the way it's going - they will be so much better. We can't imagine what the range of this old car might be then, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was double the original.
Thanks for the video, I just purchased a March 2015 model S 85 with 36k on the clock for 60k, will pick it up this week from the dealer. New Continental tyres and the high level rear brake light replaced (no working). MCU 2 upgraded and CCS2 charging adaption. This is my first EV and I already love it even though it is not with me. I've installed 30amp Tesla wall chargers at my home and holiday home.
Congrats mate. The MCU2 upgrade is really worth it - especially with 3G being phased out. CCS2 is also highly worth it because of all the new charging options. Enjoy and consider joining the Tesla Owners Club of Australia (assuming you are here by your name).
@@markedwards4879 Hey Mark, I'm already a member of TOCA.
That’s a lot. They have that exact model Tesla and mileage in my city for 35-40k
no engine noise, no squealing tyre corners...so unusual for you Stu. great insight Mark, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it Anton. I suspect your next car will be electric - probably a Kia EV6 GT or Hyundai Ioniq 5. Quite big enough to take the drums.
@@inCARnationAustralia I will be looking for your advice in a few years time...keep the reviews coming!
Great video. Im considering getting an older one. BTW, passenger looks a bit like Angus Young. LOL
Ha ha. I wish I could play like him!
@@inCARnationAustralia haha me too brother.
sick bros
Thank you for the video and info. We're looking at a 2014 Model S soon with 130k miles on it. My biggest worry is the battery. It's under warranty until December, but still. Any input? Are the horror stories few and just very loud to scare people? I live in Indiana so winters can be cold and I've read that winter temps can cause the battery to go bad faster. Clean title though.
I think the video addressed that, showing minimal degradation over 7 or 8 years. But we live in a much more temperate climate, rarely sub zero c (32F). So your circumstances may be different. And Mark has a disciplined approach to charging, charging frequently and rarely charging above 80% or running the car close to empty.
It's only a matter of time where the battery will fail. One of the 7000 cells is bound to degrade causing a cascading effect that will shut down the battery. There are independent garages that will identify the bad bank and replace the cells or entire bank for a much more manageable cost but if you do this Tesla will kick you off of the supercharger network. Unfortunately Teslas solution is a 20k battery replacement. They will not service banks or individual cells
Would you buy a used 6+ old Tesla to drive for Uber and Lyft in? That battery pack losing its ability to charge is my biggest concern as I drive 50k+ miles per year!
Probably. See notes elsewhere in the comments on battery degradation, which was minimal in Mark's case. But your charging habits are important on the older cars. Drive it often, charge often, but try to keep it in the 20-80% range.
Personally? Not unless you are looking to cater for more luggage space where the older S and X are quite a bit bigger. If you are running the car for a business then I'd be inclined to get a new standard range Y. It gives you the space but also has a new car warranty on everything - remember that using the car as a taxi will put a lot more wear and tear on it than normal driving, and all expenses are claimable. You'd also need to consider any government incentives, or offers by the platforms. I know that Uber are renting people EVs to run in their fleet, so that might be worth considering.
I wonder if they will support upgrading batteries for these old moddels so one can have more range on them. I'd like to buy the older model so being sure that tesla would do something like that would be much appreciated..
That's a very good suggestion. If not by Tesla, but by other companies. The owner, Mark, might is across these ideas and might have something to add.
@@inCARnationAustralia I wish other companies would be allowed to do that. as far as I know I doubt Tesla would allow others Because of "safety concerns"
No large company especially Newer ones wants the bad press if a battery were to malfunction and harm someone.
Though I hope they make it possible for the New lFP batteries to be mounted on the older models.. That would be a true game changer, as the drive units/Motors are far longer lived then the diesel/benzin based ones.
Ps: Enjoyed the video keep at it :)= (New viewer)
Evidently Tesla aren't making it easy for aftermarket repairers. People like electrifiedgarage.com are trying. See well-known Tesla aftermarket guy "Rich Rebuilds" has YT videos on the topic. He was at least able to swap over individual battery bricks as they degraded, not the entire pack as Tesla wanted to do. Hoovies Garage also bought a Tesla with a dodgy battery, and was quoted a price by Tesla to replace it that was approx. the cost of the whole vehicle. But for the moment - it seems not a lot of support by Tesla itself for the concept.
@@inCARnationAustralia Yes i've seen these videos in my research. It's a real shame!
The availability to get services through third parties would make Ev's (From Tesla) atleast more adopted I think!
Apparently the biggest battery the S85 can take is 90kwh due to the weight. It may depend on which suspension it has.
Actually models that still have free supercharging are worth a lot more..
I’m quite happy to be proven wrong on that. :D I must admit that the free supercharging is a nice feeling that never gets old.
Do you know what models ?
Which ones
@@princess287love Generally speaking, older model S and X that have not been traded back to Tesla. If Tesla buys the car back then the free supercharging no longer applies. From memory some of the newer cars had free supercharging for the owner but it wasn't transferrable. Pretty well all of the 2014-16 originally had lifetime free (but check before buying if that's important to you).
The biggest issue is Teslas complete disinterest in performing repairs vs replacements of the battery. If one of your 7000 18650 cells fails in your tesla the computer will completely shut down that bank of cells. That in turn will shut down the entire pack. Teslas solution is to replace the entire pack resulting in a 20k USD bill. Thats why the resale of older teslas are plumeting in the US
Yes that's a very good point, with 9000+ cells in a car. I see some TH-camr videos show replacement of packs, or individual cells. Is that common, or a growth industry in the US? Does Tesla frown on it and make life difficult for workshops who try?
@@inCARnationAustralia there are some small garages that will replace modules in the battery pack. If Tesla figures out those batteries were opened they will lock that vehicle out of the supercharging network. In order to be granted access back into the network you need to fork over 4500 USD for an inspection
@@douglasdangelo6755 So Tesla penalises people for repairing their vehicles inexpensively, when they break through no fault of the customer. That sends a clear message to customers. You might like us - but we don't like you. Same as for penalising the early adopters with the massive unheralded price drops. Boo...
you can get a 2020 model 3 dual performance in the uk now for 14k i don't see this as a real problem surly the whole point was for the price of these car to come down so they could pass into the hands of mortal people like me. I'm in my 40s and have never owned a car more expensive than 5k thats not because I'm skint but watching and waiting for good car to drop in price. maybe its time to turn tesla.
It's a good time to be alive EJ. Yes second hand EVs getting cheaper by the day. Don't forget to do a battery health check. Performance levels unheard of years ago at affordable prices.
11:00 wipers relentlessly scratching air dry windshields.
Get the free supercarger version.
6:20 that's surprisingly low battery degradation
Yes it is. Charging habits, ranges and frequency clearly matter. Mark knows how to look after his batteries.
@@inCARnationAustralia remember the batterypack is much bigger than you think. You have extra kw of battery for safety and emergency. And when the batterypack degrades tesla unlocks those extra kw to drive. Giving you more range. The degradation is probably around 40-50km. But tesla unlocks batterycells for driving the more the wear especially on the older models
@@andyevedal What an interesting feature. I'd never heard of that. How clever. But Andreas we didn't make the numbers up. They're straight from the car. Mark drives the car daily and is very careful about his charging habits, so maybe his is an exceptional case. I'm sure he'd like to comment.
Losing a little less than half the range in battery capacity when older than 7 years, hmmm. So what is the cost of a battery replacement? They can be replaced but it will cost you. The estimated cost years ago when I looked into it was $7500 for a new battery pack. What is it now?
Actually no. Less than 10%. The original range of that car was claimed to be 426km when Mark bought it new in 2014. He found the actual range at that time was 390km @ 100% charge. And as we said in the video, current range is still 384km @ 100% charge, seven years later. So no, it didn't lose "a little less than half" the range in all that time. Less than 2% on actual, or less than 10% on manufacturer's original claim. Maybe you're confusing it with the much longer range of current cars with more modern batteries. The cost of a new battery pack won't be a concern for him as I'm sure he'll trade it for a new car before it's ten years old. And a high degree of confidence that the new car's batteries will outlive the car. In any case, they're warrantied for ten years or 160,000km so I don't think it's a concern for him at all.
@@inCARnationAustralia Hi Stu, the sticker from my car actually said 502km of range when new and in "Rated" range. It was never going to do that and you are right that it was closer to 390km. The degradation has been minimal and as you point out the current 100% range is still showing as good. It may actually be better if I ran the car down and then charged to 100% to re-calibrate as I haven't done a full range charge on the car in ages and the pack could report higher with balancing.
Also, the unlimited drivetrain and battery warranty was 8 years and has now expired, so yes, I'm running a risk. I haven't priced a new one but it'd probably be less than what I spent rebuilding my 928's V8 back in 2009.
@Tom, the car has been really good from a range loss perspective. The biggest drawback of it today is that the newer cars supercharge so much faster - although I also have lifetime free supercharging which means that long distance trips are essentially free. The reality of a long trip in the car in 2023 is that there are now loads of charging options compared to when I bought it, and that we usually plan to stop for a coffee/meal/bio break after 2.5-3 hours anyway so the range isn't an issue. Around town it's never an issue and I just charge at home using cheap off peak or solar power.
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Indeed. Collect your cupie doll next time you're passing through
@@inCARnationAustralia And here is the mind which hath wisdom
that's easy you or anyone for that matter shouldn't buy new, old or any other EV for that matter until new battery tech is invented and better laws are put in place preventing companies to literally do anything they want with the cars you buy well that's what you should do if you have any working brain cells
well thats just false, you dont get a 6km degration from 7 years. Atleast 60-70km. Tesla batteries especially old ones drop battery health from 100 to 95 or 90 pretty quick then evens out.
i own this exact car, and its the safest car i have ever driven. Even bieng rwd. Because of the weight the traction so great. And it is so great at winter aswell
Obviously you know better than me. I just own it. lol. According to you the max range of my car should now be about 310km then. It was 347 @ 90% when new (Dec 2014) and is now (April 2023) around 339-340 @90%. Bear in mind that we recorded this video a year ago. It's important to compare "Typical" range figures rather than "Rated" range figures. You can choose to display either via a setting in the car. "Rated" from memory used the NEDC standard which was wildly optimistic. "Typical" in my S85 is based on 200Wh/km and is very, very close to reality 99% of the time. My lifetime average on the car is around 190Wh/km.
i have 2015 model s with 230,000kms battery has lost about 10%, original brakes, motors, battery. main costs are tyres, It has had some new door handles and MCU. I supercharge mine often as have free supercharging, up to 101 times in 6 months according to the Tesla app. These batteries do not suffer from huge degradation.
0 to 100 in 3.2 seconds? No way!! That's faster than a Bugatti
Zero to 100 is the EV's party trick. You should go for a drive in one. They're fun. But once past 150km/h your Bugatti will pull away from garden variety Teslas. Unless it's a Tesla Model S Plaid.
When will Tesla ever update their interior on their cars to truly be a luxury interior instead of a subpar interior?? Even a 2023 model S looks like a $25k car in the inside!! 🤬🤬🤬
Fair comment. The old Model S is looking pretty dated inside.
The new refreshed S and X look drastically different inside. They are minimalist for sure, but I actually prefer that to the plethora of buttons and switches that infect a lot of new luxury cars. That being said, check out the Genesis GV60 if you like over the top interiors.
you can find this car for 25k so I think it looks good for the price
Interesting how Elon charges that much for a battery and computer, nothing about the car is luxury, honestly biggiest scammer of the century 😂😂😂
Teslas have notoriously bad reliability and repair cost is ridiculous. Out of warranty these cars are garbage.