UNBELIEVABLE 1969-D Jefferson Nickel Sells for Over $30K - How & Why it's Worth That Much??

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  • @bz1mm
    @bz1mm 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video as always! Love your channel and have been subscribed for a long time!

  • @luisrangel5948
    @luisrangel5948 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just watched your video on 1969-D FS selling for over $30K. I loved it!

    • @DronexXx
      @DronexXx ปีที่แล้ว

      I got one ebay? Is that the best way to sell them

  • @sublawz5679
    @sublawz5679 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey bruv, always love these videos. Very inspiring to know about these modern rarities,and am always grateful for your research and sharing of this great information. I have since found some beautiful examples of 60-70s Jefferson nickels. I just recently found a near perfect 61, tho only half of the steps are complete. Do you think that these are still worth sending out for grading? And also at around what year do a full step rating become valuable? Thanks again as always. Hope your day is fantastic.

  • @lucynuzzello7154
    @lucynuzzello7154 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just filmed one and I said the steps were perfect 👌. It's September 30, 2023 and I'm very happy . Thank You Shawn ...........

  • @SilverTorch66
    @SilverTorch66 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative and a motivator to check circulated coins in our jars. Thanks!

  • @daytonagreg8765
    @daytonagreg8765 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm OLD and I have a roll of UNC 1969-D Jeffersons (& other 60's Jeffersons) and I wrapped the tube in FOIL (to keep the light out... I did that with all my UNC ROLLS in the early 70's for some reason). After seeing THIS video I am big time wanting to open it, but I wanna "dream' for a couple weeks before doing it. I know how hard the FULL STEPS are to find.
    I remember buying them in a coin shop in Maryland when I was into buying a lot of UNC/B.U. rolls as a teenager
    to put away. I wrapped each roll in aluminum foil, labeled them, and wrapped each one again in shipping tape.
    A DUMB thing I DID: I saved a bunch of low mintage Lincoln San Francisco mint pennies & stored them in a simple "paper coin envelopes" (supposedly for coins). Well apparently those paper envelopes had ACID in it because all my beautiful copper was brown and green. Should have used the folder-over cardboard holders like I usually did.

  • @fastwalkerkrlll
    @fastwalkerkrlll 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you do a video on the criteria you personally use to select coins for grading. I've had friends that have sent in coins that they and I thought would come back very high only to have our collective hopes dashed.
    Clearly we're lacking the insight needed in order to determine the quality.
    Great channel by the way...I've learned a lot.
    Thanks

  • @KevTech1
    @KevTech1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A few years ago In bought 80 certified Morgan dollars at an auction. The holders were crumbling and the coins were oxidized. I started sending them to PCGS. Two 1890 ms66+
    sold for $17,300 each. I had $400 invested total for both coins.
    Rare hidden gems are out there. Another great place to check for gems are Pawn shops and Garage sales. Many people won't advertise coins in Garage sale ads. I stop at every one I find and the first thing I ask is if they have any old coins. A lot do. Just ask.

    • @slicegaming2827
      @slicegaming2827 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Over 17,000 is little bit low you could of get at least 19,000 as it says in the book in MS66 is worth 20,000$

    • @islatv6
      @islatv6 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have some coins that rare, 1969D, 1990D, 1992D, 1998D, 2005/2010P, 1960 no mint mark...i don't where to sell..

  • @larrywinkle7850
    @larrywinkle7850 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know you have taught me for sure getting into this about 4 years ago to slow down, breathe and find a good coin that's actually worth money with all the characteristics of some and then all the varieties and making sure it's that one I fell for the Fool's coin couple years ago just a couple of times I'm just collecting now haven't yet sold this is my second collection but now I've gotten pretty good I would have to admit but that's just from watching your videos along with couch Collectibles and I don't think I subscribed to the older guy where it looks like he's sitting in a locksmith type of room with all his stuff around him he's got good knowledge he's good but all around your videos have taught me good ethics along with how I collect coins and how to calm down for sure and make it fun and eventually people out there you will find a coin if you educate yourself enough and try to make it easy on yourself by knowing all the things that you need to know when getting started because once I started studying and getting the knowledge is when I started finding money everywhere even if it's a $20 quarter I mean I've got quite a few probably rare Coins I bet I could put out there on TH-cam video. When will you two be able to let you send pictures in this message board that would be awesome I would love to send you some pictures of just a few of my pennies and some quarters and see what you think but yeah TH-cam let us send pictures on the comment section okay y'all have a great night and help the next man or woman I don't want the left Wingers to get mad I better say woman or other or doesn't go by anything I guess LOL but just help others when you can get the chance to and the domino effect will go in the right direction in your life I promise even if you don't think the timing is right you need to reverse that thinking because it's never wrong I would just like to see everybody riding that wave together nowadays.... all the way from East Texas my name is Patrick I'm out love all y'all out there🙏👊👍💨🌴😑

    • @daytonagreg8765
      @daytonagreg8765 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Enjoyed your comment. 👍

  • @ageditasauceda399
    @ageditasauceda399 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    on Father's day got my first low leaf 2004 quarter

  • @Rob-jh5fv
    @Rob-jh5fv 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video !-you are right these coins are out there and I found them

  • @michaeljones6500
    @michaeljones6500 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love you're video's, very helpful, I am new to coin collecting, and I started coin roll hunting, so far the best coin I have found is a 1940 nickel with full steps, no mint, can you give me any Idea what it might be worth, or how I would find out? Keep up the good work.

  • @cosmking
    @cosmking 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is going to cause me to investigate my coins more closely...Thank you.

  • @taqweemasghar8825
    @taqweemasghar8825 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, your videos are very informative. I'm new to coin collecting. I have seen many nickels for sale on eBay, which are old and with full steps. And they are selling for between 10-25 bucks. Just wanna know that how this works? Thanks

  • @Pisces1416
    @Pisces1416 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your videos shared. I especially appreciate how well you explain the particular coin discussing. As for those who leave BS comments consider yourselves idiots who lack social skills and haven't any respect for yourselves let alone others. If you do not find the videos shared helpful surely there are childish games you might find more educational. Be appreciative people for those willing to share their knowledge of coins with those of us just getting into coin hunting & collecting. I found your video very helpful for I have Four 1969-S, 1969-D and 1969 Lincoln Memorial Proof Sets to send out for grading thanks to your information.

  • @kelkel3201
    @kelkel3201 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey blueridge is there a chance to find one of these in mint sets and/ or proof sets if so plz explain thx awesome video great knowledge

  • @jamstagerable
    @jamstagerable 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found a '61 least wk in pocket change with only one tiny tiny scratch on the entire coin, both sides and has beautiful full steps! I thought it was a new coin because of it's condition and was so surprised when I saw the date

  • @bigwo56
    @bigwo56 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I've got a 1960D Jefferson with FANTASTIC devices ob-and reverse with unbelievable RAINBOW toning! After seeing thid vid, I must send it off for grading!!

  • @ofred3478
    @ofred3478 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much I have 1958 D similar with full steeps

    • @alrr1974
      @alrr1974 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      hi, i have one to, do you found some information?

  • @unclekris2138
    @unclekris2138 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    All your videos are Great.
    I've a pair of 1962 D nickels. I'm hoping they will be record breakers. When compared to the 1969 D nickel that sold for over $30K. The 1969 D was graded as a MS65FS and my pair of 1962 D nickels are off the charts. As they are so incredibly fresh, they give a new meaning to the term FULL STEP. These beauties are so clean, you can see every single detail in High Definition. For example, the 1969 D was graded as having Full Steps, because it has 5 full steps in the front. Whereas the pair of 1962 D, clearly show not 1 but 3 Full sets of steps. Also, 1 nickel is Blue the other is a rainbow coloring.
    Please tell me your thoughts, and how you would get the best grade and price, if they were yours.

  • @JorgeEFM
    @JorgeEFM 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow...The coin is absolutely in brand new state.

  • @gigig3003
    @gigig3003 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hi have 1942,43,44,63 how much they will cost??
    thanks

  • @ryanferrell2921
    @ryanferrell2921 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I must have had one of these go through my hands at one point and never known

  • @tomknapp5712
    @tomknapp5712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I JUST FOUND A 1970 D NICKEL WITH AN S ABOVE THE DOME on the back!!!

  • @sandybarbour7798
    @sandybarbour7798 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing I have a lot of nickels to go thro hope I have one😀

  • @lancehenderson6295
    @lancehenderson6295 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 1969s with full steps. Are they more common than the Denver minted nickels?

  • @elizabethjack595
    @elizabethjack595 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow Wow wow so beautiful coin

  • @valeriejaramillo2979
    @valeriejaramillo2979 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i enjoy your videos .explain well.

  • @marcom9829
    @marcom9829 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Found one inn my old coins from when I was a kid with a 1942 dime and a 1925 Liberty Dollar

  • @onedayati
    @onedayati 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks.

  • @shymuzzgal9280
    @shymuzzgal9280 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Halo sir i love to watch your videos very informative.. I love collecting coins.. I got a mint condition 1961 jefferson nickel.. Do you think its worth something.. It looks like it was hardly circulated.

  • @juannazario9965
    @juannazario9965 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have one with not fool stept. It is valuable ?

  • @ynumismetalscollector4370
    @ynumismetalscollector4370 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! Thanks for the info~!

    • @sandracoons4117
      @sandracoons4117 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone stole my 61 do you want to send in my 69 uc FS nuckel

  • @nickelhunter3129
    @nickelhunter3129 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    dang, i found a 1940 p that would've had full steps, but a small line of wear that runs from the top step to the bottom one.

  • @robinminor265
    @robinminor265 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if you have 2012-2017 full six steps, are they worth anything?

  • @Efish3
    @Efish3 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one with one full step and another slotted step,is it worth looking into? Just subbed!

  • @brianjohnston9808
    @brianjohnston9808 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    oh come on I was so close! I had a 1969 nickel but could not see the steps!!!!!

    • @hppygilmore13
      @hppygilmore13 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      what do you mean by steps?

    • @MikeTheMGTOWMonk
      @MikeTheMGTOWMonk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brian johnston same

    • @MikeTheMGTOWMonk
      @MikeTheMGTOWMonk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Donald Gilmore...
      Stairs are synonymous to steps...

    • @gamingstudios2337
      @gamingstudios2337 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brian johnston SAME IM SO SAD NOW 😢

    • @gregtheone975
      @gregtheone975 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheCrazyTurtle Plays I'm with you

  • @nctexan1
    @nctexan1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can tell me what's the difference in size of mint marks an placements....I have several in the 70's an such that are big n small an in different placements

  • @hatekills8912
    @hatekills8912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have this same quality might even be better? Looks mint I mean it shines! Missing the steps but everything else.

  • @lkayh
    @lkayh ปีที่แล้ว

    Agree it’s weird they graded it a 65, but I’ve seen a lot of nickels that had high grades that had more contact marks than what you’d expect at that grade. Not sure why that is.

  • @blancarivera8682
    @blancarivera8682 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 1990 D it's a double said plant Jefferson .

  • @luisrangel5948
    @luisrangel5948 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need your help. I have 5 nickels: 1939 NGC MS-62 5FS; 1950-D NGC MS-65 5FS; 1971-D NGC MS-64 5FS; and 1971-D NGC MS-66 5FS that were refused for auction by a major US auction house. Out of the more than 10 coins I identify for auction, the female rep only recognized the 1914-D cent as valuable. She suggested I sell my coins through eBay or other means. Included in the auction list was my Jeff nickel 1961-D NGC MS-66 that can sell for over $1K. Can you suggest which auction house I should submit my coins?

  • @Novulum
    @Novulum 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have the same nicle but it has a few diference, like it is leaned more to the right than to the left. The liberty title is top is almost gone. I wish to sell it but i dont know where?

  • @bugsbunnyhalfdollar9133
    @bugsbunnyhalfdollar9133 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great coin I have full steps I need to send in to get graded

  • @bensonnier99
    @bensonnier99 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow great video

  • @mynameismatt2010
    @mynameismatt2010 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 69-d nickle with 3 steps, but not 5. It looks really clean too, 66 maybe 66+, if only it had 2 more steps.

  • @augiecontreras329
    @augiecontreras329 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a 1977 s nickel fs what should I do and how to get graded

  • @PedroDiaz-iv4ip
    @PedroDiaz-iv4ip 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amigo todas las monedas del año 1969 son de níquel o algunas..saludos desde Guayaquil-Ecuador.

  • @angelictang1
    @angelictang1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found a 1965 last week like this one..

  • @luisrangel5948
    @luisrangel5948 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about my NGC 1941-S nickel, MS-64, 6 Full Steps, AND, it's designated as Partial Collar on Blank. What would it be worth?

  • @killyourtelllievision
    @killyourtelllievision 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 66 & 67 FS are valuable as well?

  • @robertherrera4115
    @robertherrera4115 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have this coin in my collection where can I take it to have someone look at it? Thank you I would really appreciate it!

  • @mht718
    @mht718 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did found a 1969D nickel in my nickel jar, the front of the coin has a very tiny FS on the bottom, but I can't see the Full steps on the back of Monticello. Will that still be more than its face value?

  • @chrismyres1203
    @chrismyres1203 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i just found one of these it's kinda worn but hopefully it's worth something

  • @kouvang4689
    @kouvang4689 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a 1960 and I'm saving it for future

    • @jason860
      @jason860 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kou Vang

  • @DavidChaisson-lw1km
    @DavidChaisson-lw1km 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have the 2005 Buffalo Nickel and the front is offset a bit and the back is missing the entire stamp of the dy. Coin other than that is in quite good condition
    What perhaps would this coin fetch on the market today?

  • @picklesdill5953
    @picklesdill5953 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I littlary I literally have that in my hand right now

    • @crip769
      @crip769 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pickles Dill me too

    • @gregtheone975
      @gregtheone975 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      CriP me three

  • @dotadams992
    @dotadams992 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got some 57 65 66 and 67 what can I do to get them check out

  • @leanturkey531
    @leanturkey531 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a mint condition 1960 nickel the C in America looks different and it has full steps I'm gonna get it checked out

  • @angel-sv2ru
    @angel-sv2ru 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    BlueRidge, can yo tell me if you can tell me how much can I sell this coins, I have none circulated 2005, 5 cent Buffalo coin.i have them on rolls I have never open up since I about them!

  • @kooled883
    @kooled883 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 1967, no mint mark, Jefferson Nickel with full steps...is it worth any thing? Should I have it graded?

    • @numismaticstacker
      @numismaticstacker 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      its very rare I can't find a price on it. reference a 1966 ms65FS $10,000 hope this helps/. There were no mintmark from 1965,1966,1967

  • @alan30189
    @alan30189 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    And I just cashed in a boatload of nickels!It would bd cool to find one worth $30k. Sold!!!

    • @alan30189
      @alan30189 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can't even find a 2009 nickel, in any condition. :-(

    • @MsConstrued1
      @MsConstrued1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i have one i'll give you, i have lots of nickels :)

  • @jonathanguerrero4191
    @jonathanguerrero4191 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 1968 D FS nickle very mint condition

  • @missesmada11
    @missesmada11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Blue Ridge, can you help me? I found a very odd 1936 buffalo nickel. The rim on top has a chunk of metal on it. It's a tiny bit on the bottom and around the sides too. Is there an easy way to tell if it's an error in casting or just solder? I don't know if it's worth sending to PCGS. I can send you a picture if you'd like. Please help!

  • @NOVA3player1
    @NOVA3player1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found a couple of coins in my house In a secret place and found one which looks like the exact same nickel but the year looks like 1988 or 1968

  • @OnlyBeautifulCoins
    @OnlyBeautifulCoins 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 1971 Jefferson Nickel NGC MS64 6 Full steps, is it something worth like 1969 D?
    Thanks always post very informative videos sir..

    • @angel-sv2ru
      @angel-sv2ru 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I buy it , I was born that year!

    • @lonestar_events
      @lonestar_events 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@angel-sv2ru I have one

  • @mokrenfamily8798
    @mokrenfamily8798 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I have one

  • @camman6912
    @camman6912 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would NEVER pay that for that nickel
    I would rather get a 1893-s Morgan dollar
    Or a 3-legged buffalo

  • @palakiss8533
    @palakiss8533 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one like this has a d on it but the d looks thin is it still worth money? Same year in everything

  • @tiapiper2203
    @tiapiper2203 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    what if i have the 1969 d Jefferson nickel but the stairs are not visable? and what if i have the 1969 s nickel with all visable stairs? does that make a difference?

  • @nctexan1
    @nctexan1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm putting up vid of my nickels an have 3 of the 69's with full steps an high grades...

  • @m.icha-elawakened116
    @m.icha-elawakened116 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    alright, so in my coin collection i found 6 1923 nickels w a native american image.

  • @targetedinmaryland2850
    @targetedinmaryland2850 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have this nickel with half steps on back.looking to sell now if i find a place.

  • @aureliodavila6148
    @aureliodavila6148 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    me gusta tengo una igual 1969.d buenas condiciones

  • @johnbell2608
    @johnbell2608 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im needing to share my coins in hope u can lead me in the rite direction.

  • @bowwowbullykennel4089
    @bowwowbullykennel4089 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a question I have a coin 1975 nickle no mint mark is it a proof nickle looks just identical

  • @mateocruzadogonzagonza5260
    @mateocruzadogonzagonza5260 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have also nickel 1967 and 1947... how can i sell it... pls help thank you for the info..

  • @FOO261
    @FOO261 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find this a little hard to believe.
    I have an entire Jefferson Nickel collection. ALL are full steps.

  • @donjonlon2909
    @donjonlon2909 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow reading these comments I feel so inspired and amused oh thanks for uploading this informative vid...god is so wonderful I wonder what god thinks of numismatics I mean I know gods ways not our ways yeah but ....

  • @anthonygrau2506
    @anthonygrau2506 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have both the 1969 S an D both fell steps an ddo

    • @anthonygrau2506
      @anthonygrau2506 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      My 1996 s has a beautiful black finish

  • @adamscribner8943
    @adamscribner8943 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one BlueRidgeSilverhound I just 🍒 picked it from a mint set and the penny I believe is a RPM and half dollar ddo. I would greatly appreciate your opinion and if wish to do so please reach out to me asap

  • @chrismourikis2516
    @chrismourikis2516 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can I get in touch with a collector?

  • @O_KRistyyy
    @O_KRistyyy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have one in a proof set. i dont know what i would do with it

  • @tautog14
    @tautog14 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about a 1962 with 2 steps..I found one at work

  • @makaylahill8463
    @makaylahill8463 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a few of those

  • @user-ks9kq1nd5m
    @user-ks9kq1nd5m 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have same this one 🤑

  • @rochellereliford8451
    @rochellereliford8451 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 1964 Jefferson nickel it Looks Good to be a 1964 how can I get it Graded and much is grading,?

  • @raprot7829
    @raprot7829 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was spent during the *summer of love?*

  • @paulpennestri3993
    @paulpennestri3993 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    YO BLUE IVE GOT ALL YOUR TOP FIVE LINCOLN CENT..BRN BUT GREAT DEFINITION.I JUST SENT OF BRAND NEW CONDITION. IHAVE NEW PROOF QUARTER....I HAVE SO MUC GREAT BIG MONEY STUFF. ID RATHER NOT HVE TO GRADE 60 LINCOLN CENTS... WHERE CAN I SELL THEM RAW...WHO DO YOU RECOMEND?

  • @biancaortiz8990
    @biancaortiz8990 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the same nickel but its from 1968 is it worth anything

  • @huiwang5201
    @huiwang5201 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one but where can sell it

  • @tinachavez125
    @tinachavez125 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 1968s an 1969s nickle mint uncirculated condition with all full steps never been touched as well as I have the same 1968s & 1969s penny uncirculated mint condition I don't know were to take them?

  • @marymarzuolo4397
    @marymarzuolo4397 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    2005 nickle with buffalo on back of coin Is it worth anything

  • @numismaticstacker
    @numismaticstacker 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a 1964 almost full steps I'm so close

  • @blakepurcell6604
    @blakepurcell6604 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a 1969 nickle d fg at bottom is it the same

  • @jaimesauceda9775
    @jaimesauceda9775 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a nickel 1942 S wondering if its worth anything

  • @travissoutherland9028
    @travissoutherland9028 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I own a perfect condition of a 1969 D Jefferson Nickle

  • @numismaticstacker
    @numismaticstacker 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    these are NOT found in your pocket change my friend. U.S. Mint sets correct? I'm buying a horde tomorrow at an antique shop all business strikes in hunting for full steps from 1962-1974

  • @angeljurado3692
    @angeljurado3692 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Esa moneda es valiosa 🤔🤔🤔🤔

  • @giovannifilangeri1179
    @giovannifilangeri1179 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the same one !wow! $$$$$