Dating Coach GRILLS Destiny, Asks For Top 5 Advice For INCELS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Last night on Destiny ft. Alex from PlayingWithFire and Vikram
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yeah how2transmit that 🤔
Alex is 100% right. Incremental, bite sized, continuous, measured progress is what dragged me out of depression and away from the edge of becoming an incel.
Same. Getting that dopamine hit from every pound I lose and every time I do something to improve my career like getting a certification is pushing me out of a constant negative mindset and giving me way more confidence
How does one become an incel? Is there more then involuntarily celibate to it? You just go bang, you can pay for it.
@@pinbraid it’s gonna sound cringe as fuck, but being an incel isn’t a factual state of being, it’s a mindset lol
An incel can bang 3 hookers a day for a year, and if he still needs to pay them to get them to hang around him, he’s still an incel
It’s about a lack of social and emotional competency, not your actual body count or frequency of lays.
@@nelsonraley So a f boy can be an incel? As with everything these days, we need a clear definition.
@@pinbraid a incel is someone that is involuntarily celibate that is the definition. Anyone who cannot get women can be considered a incel
To stop the incel epidemic, Destiny should sleep with as many incels as possible because Destiny is a woman’s name
This meme is a year old and has not gotten stale one bit
He does sleep with men though lol
@@himuragoXD thanks captain obvious!
This.
Props to Alex for still being the only redpill dude who isn't delusional. He's a cool guy.
Delusional you say, how so?
@@pinbraid Watch literally anything that Destiny talks about with redpill. If you can't identify it, then idk.
@mrjtfang2 Well if you got nothing then idk.
@@pinbraid here is an example
"30, 40, 50% of college girls get flown out to dubai"
Freash, from fit and freash
This was said when destiny was brought on to their show about a month ago.
@@xMckingwill Yeah Fresh is misinformed but everyone watches the show for Myron anyway.
This was a really solid convo!
Very few muslims support Tate so just chill with the assumptions
The funny part about that lawyer playing the Andrew Tate race card is that Andrew Tate doesn’t consider himself black because he’s white-passing. And he makes fun of Meghan Markle relentlessly for calling herself black and playing the race card all the time.
The thing about markle is she didn't consider herself that either. I don't think until she got married where she probably got a lot of racism which made her basically admit she was black.
@@myronwilliams3340 Lmao, married into one of the most powerful families on the face of the Earth, proceeds to cry about "getting a lot of racism"
You can't possibly be this stupid, bro.
@@iwannabethekid34xc she was getting racism mostly from them
The fuck you mean lmao
@myron a.
True, too white to be really be black in the us, too black to a be a princess in the uk.
*insert played out and unoriginal destiny is a girl's name joke because I'm early to the video and its easy likes*
insert played out and unoriginal reply complaining about destiny is a girl's name joke because its easy likes
Woah! That’s so funny! Upvote!
@@slimy6316 this except yes.
Insert "insert comment" about inserting repetitive memes
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this was hardly a grill, but a good conversation
I love when that happens.
Clickbait is gonna clickbait
It's clickbait for those who only watch destiny for watch for the heated arguments instead of genuinely good conversations
@@austin_bennettNo its clickbait either way 😂 Not like its a terrible thing to do especially when its this mild but still clickbait
Hardly a grill?? No grown azz person should need this much breakdown. How do people make it past elementary school without knowing to comb your hair and wear clothes that fit?
Alex and Destiny convo's are always so good faith and nice to listen to/productive.
26:31 ngl but listening to this part of the conversation makes me realize that destiny is really empathetic to the female perspective (which is a good thing and probably explains his success in dating) but has absolutely no clue what’s going on in an “incels” head which explains a lot of why he gives shit advice to guys that are struggling
Would you mind elaborating?
Gimme details :D
@@liveandletdie138 the fact that destiny keeps thinking that the issue with most guys that think of themselves as incels is that they are not empathetic which is why if you listen to a lot of his previous advice (in other videos) is “don’t be a creep” … to be fair he eventually gives on this point …it seems to boggle his mind that someone can both be empathetic and still not speak or act in a way that is repulsive to women and the only reason is that they are either pathetic drooling imbeciles or overly pushy nerds as opposed to a normal person that is doing something uncomfortable and just happens to bad at it … that’s what it seems like to me. Destiny always praises women for the good social skills and says men don’t have it, but I’m willing to bet that if women had to initiate, a similar percentage as men would be just as bad at it.
Yeah, before destiny has anymore opinions about this, he really needs to prove that his advice works by actully getting incels laid. Until then, its all just postulating
@@awkwardturtle2842 Perfectly said.
About time one of these red-pillers asks a woman for dating advice.
Alex is not a red-piller, he's a dating coach
I fully agree about asking woman for dating advice, in fact you just opened up my mind about the value of single mothers because Destiny's Child became extremely successful.
You can't ask a fish how to catch itself. You ask a successful fisherman.
@@meks1478 well said.
Hahahahahahahaha hahahaha!!!!!!!
Bahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahaha!!!!!!
Alex is the most good faith destiny collaborator
This video has changed my life. I will no longer be an incel. Thanks
This hour long video had been out for 10 minutes at the time of your comment
@@thomasbeaumont8884 I'm a time traveler.
@@thomasbeaumont8884 also this is a clip from a stream destiny had from the past
@@EM-fo6yr if you're a time traveler, why can't you get laid?
Based and non-virginpilled 😂
This guy explained confidence really well. I was wishing someone would explain this to destiny when he was talking about this last time.
Ya this conversation was definitely needed because there was aspects that I agreed with that destiny pointed out but there was other aspects that destiny kinda dropped the ball on initially but ended up rephrasing some things better this time
no one in these spaces has any concept of confidence, they only know outside reassurance (which is artificial confidence at best). confidence is being able to properly weigh and interpret different judgements and opinions, that’s it. anything else is bullshit. gym does not give confidence, even doing things over and over doesn’t give confidence, it simply gives reassurance that u fit a norm so ur safe from criticism for now
@@DavidJones-ot8qu ya that's definitely a big part of it since being overly self conscious & being overly concerned about other people's opinions will sabotage you but at the opposite is also bad long term. Ultimately you need a healthy amount of self awareness in terms of your strengths & weaknesses
@@austin_bennett absolutely, but that’s what true confidence is id argue. confidence is being realistic, but non-judgmental about ur own weaknesses, which will usually take away any pain from outside judgement about those weaknesses
@@DavidJones-ot8qu I can agree with that sentiment. The only minor disagreement (if you could call it that) is I know people work things out in there own ways like there's guys who beat themselves up more than what a regular person will but you got the guys who do so to better themselves as well as the guys who dwell on it & self sabotage
Alex doesn't understand what an incel is at all.
37:19 "Most of these incels have female friends and women in their life"
Bro... an incel is repulsive to everyone. Just their sheer looks is enough to make everyone in a room think they are having an infectious disease, don't take care of themselves and/or are about to shoot up the whole place. And normies just use every second to use you as a stepping stone to make themselves look better by putting you down
He thinks a normie who is too afraid to ask out a girl is an incel 💀
The problem isn't how you look. Even incels desperate enough to commit a mass shooting usually look like regular guys. Some of them are above average. And the symbol of 'trucels' - StBlackOps2cel - is actually married.
Most ugly dudes live in that reality.
The best way to become confident is ask yourself why you’re not confident in the first place. Do you exhibit the qualities you feel makes the best person? Fully embrace and accept small things about yourself that you can’t change. For example - if you’re balding. Accept that people who don’t like you simply because of your hair weren’t meant for you in the first place.
Cope
@@sajtospog9888 This isn't cope this is just legitimately the only way to move forward, any relationship built on flimsy grounds is simply not going to last
If it was that easy everyone would be confident. Even confident people still hold insecurities that don't go away just by trying to accept part of themselves.
It's similar to realizing you have built habits that are destructive to your own ideal. Realizing that is the easiest part. Now you have to contend with a lifetime of momentum in one direction, which will take a lot of deliberate effort to fight against.
@@egusisoup1826 Well I never said it was easy in my comment I was just giving tips on how to become confident. Being confident is all about learning how to properly deal with having insecurities not eliminating them entirely. Of course it’s hard but few things in life are easy.
Iff its 25C outside it doesnt take me 5 meters to sweat a disgustign amount.
I "think" my voice is squeeky, not deep enough.
I dont know how to "embrace" these things
I think the distinction between them using considerate differently just comes down to the idea that if you’re being “ultra considerate” then you’re being manipulative by trying to control someone’s feelings about you. I think people can tell pretty easily there’s something weird about that people pleasing behavior. You can be considerate while being yourself and create polarity (idk if Alex was using this in the same way) by being yourself and giving something real for a person to gravitate towards or away from.
good point
I think imposter syndrome and Dunning-Kruger go hand in hand. Skilled people in a field know that they are not the best (yet), that there is constantly new things to learn and that they don't grasp everything, even if they are better than 99% of the people in their field.
Just wikied Dunning-Kruger and in the first paragraph they basically said that the opposite of D-K syndrome is also sometimes included, which basically sounds like imposter syndrome.
I think this is basically a meme in the classical music field, even objectively excellent musicians feel that this or that person is just unbelievably good, but a lay-person wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the person and their idol. Just something I've picked up from watching two-set violin lol.
@@DaveChappeleIsGod Sounds like the reverse of imposter syndrome is related to narcissism?
So, I study in a university setting and at this point I’m going into my doctoral and imposter syndrome is so common. I’ve had students who talk about it, fellow peers, even professors who tell me they have or had it. I think it’s also common for people who are in competitive fields. I mean, I’m super confident and I know that I’m intelligent but imposter syndrome still ghosts my mind sometimes and I have to spend time evaluating my skills and changing my mindset.
I think in some households and a lot of Asian households like lily's, the parents tend to put such an enormous pressure to be exceptional, almost normalizing it. That when the person reaches that level they still have the confidence of someone being told they aren't enough and need to keep trying harder is that makes sense. I'm not Asian and never experienced it though so I could be full of shit
49:20 Destiny: "I think a woman knows very early on if she'll fuck a guy or not"
That's what the incels have been saying all along.
And then people say "Just try harder bro, Just develop a close relationship with her bro, Just get to know her bro, Work on your personality bro"
Yup. In the 1st 60 seconds a woman has put a guy in he "Yes", "No" or "Maybe" box.
Ok so I know my situation is prolly the exception and not the rule but it can happen. So three years ago I was heavily addicted to drugs and decided to go to rehab, flew out to California from Alabama with the close on my back. While I was there i met this beautiful girl who was a employed by this rehab I ended up at, in simple terms she was practically my baby sitter and during that time there was literally zero attraction to me from her an tbh, me being a guy I looked at her like I would hit but I was just infatuated with her. I end up staying there for a month and leave. Fast forward 5 months later I changed my look up (cut my hair, trimmed my beard and was hitting the gym twice a day and eating right and was attending more social settings like AA meetings) around this time that same treatment center I detoxed at offers me a job and this girl who once was my tech (adult baby sitter) is now my coworker/shift lead and so just me and her working the same shift together 5 days a week and eventually she started flirting with me and building chemistry between us and well fast forward 2 years we have a one year old daughter and have a great relationship I hope to marry her if she will let me but will see. Moral of the story is you can be an incel/ have an incel phase and the same girl who never looked your way will be the same one to court you and you didn’t do anything different besides you you priorities straight and be yourself. I think a lot more of the incel community can do what I did, not every body more could if they just put themselves out there to be in the right place at the right time but you won’t be there if you don’t go there type of thing
@@princeyayger7823 so you look maxed and then get the girl
@@stevekargbo5539 I guess yes that was large part of it don’t get me wrong but also you making the attempt to not isolate my self, just get out and get social and being in better shape/looking good helps with that confidence to go out yourself in social settings. I would watch tons of fitness TH-camrs and it made me think about working out and dieting all the time so I never found my self slacking lol
The problem with Incels boils down to Body Image, Confidence, Personality Flaws and or Poor Communication/Conversation skills. Incels HAVE TO IMPROVE these things in order to not be an Incel. There is no advice that does not Include improving for Incels. Trying to make society or women change is a losing bet 100% of the time. You cant stay as you are and THATS THE POINT. Unfortunately the younger you do these things, the easier it is. Trying to turn 30-40+ year olds into men who can get women is difficult without MAJOR life changes.
Ok, define incel.
@@pinbraid Involuntarily Celibate??
@@CadillacBoss30 And sex work exists. So they can go pay for it, problem solved. It's that simple, is it not?
@@pinbraid It's illegal...so no, they just can't pay for it. Well the can, but don't expect sympathy when some of them get arrested. Also, it's still not socially acceptable and comes with higher risk of STDs. So those men will push themselves even further into isolation.
Why are you so against self improvement?
@@pinbraid No. Even in countries where sex is legal incels who went to prostitutes still self id as incels. They call themselves "escortcels"
An incel is someone who is involuntarily celibate because women don't desire them.
It's a woman willingly wanting to be with you that makes you not an incel
I think the incel thing goes a lot deeper than sex. I think they're lonely men who've been lonely their whole lives and crave that intimacy and feeling of togetherness that comes from a really good relationship.
A lot of these men have spent their whole lives as losers to the extent where they find it genuinely impossible to ever picture the idea that they could be anything other than that, they believe that being a loser is all its possible for them to be.
I think if they could magically transform into a 6'2, jacked, gigachad over night, the damage done to their internal self image is so deep they wouldn't feel any more positively towards themselves.
How do you help people who have 0% belief in their ability to get better?
And what do you do when that sizable chunk of the population starts to become am issue for everyone else?
Do you just have to exile them from society and let they live out miserable, isolated lives at the mercy of their broken brains?
You're 100% right on this, I've become good looking over the last few years to the point where I don't think anybody can deny I'm conventionally attractive but the years of being alone and constantly shit on have turned me into a broken shell of a man and I don't even know what I would do if I managed to get into a relationship
That last sentence hit me right in the feels... I've spent years improving my life and appearance in many ways to the point that other people just assume I've had many past relationships. It's really awkward considering I hardly even know what intimacy is...
I'm terrified that no matter how muscular I get or how skilled at guitar I get, I still won't believe or accept that a woman is actually flirting with me. That my mind will just never believe I can be anything but a loser no matter how much evidence I stack against it.
@Anything yeah I get you with that, up until I was 17 the only interactions I had with women were when they pitied me as the sad bullied loner kid so now I can never really believe someone genuinely wants to have a conversation with me. I've been told constantly that I'm funny, kind and good looking but its like my brain just can't accept the idea that I could be someone's first choice ever.
@@Will-ke7cj oh wow it describes me exactly haha
@@majestictable8098 It does seem neuroticism like Will said. I currently in therapy trying to work on it but ironically, the more I learn about my condition the more hopeless it all feels. It's like my brain is hardwired this way. It's not impossible to rewire it but it's a long and difficult task depending on how deep and entrenched the feelings of worthlessness are. But my other option is jumping of a bridge so I'm giving this a try.
Men have it harder than women when it comes to dating. I can’t believe destiny trying to say other wise. Alex’s explanation made sense. Destiny brought up an edge case.
Women have it easier for sex. Not for relationship. It’s the opposite for dude.
@@lovejunkie490 Disagree, it's easier for women for relationships as well.
Did Steven just say he thinks men have a higher average amount of sex partners than women? This is impossible - or am I missing something??
I mean I'm assuming we're not counting gay men...
This is one of Destiny's best conversations. I'll never forget this.
Was the other guy on a 2g connection in a bathroom in the middle of the desert?
Regarding impostor syndrome - I suffer it too, while working in IT I experienced quite steep promotion ramp-up.
But not so long ago I underdstood why I have it - boils down to
"hard things become easy when you get it"
- you no longer consider those hard skills/knowledge pieces as significant part of general "competence" as "nah, everyone understands that". But it's not actually the case - people do struggle with things I clicked after 15m of reading. Understanding that accelerated my carrer immensely
If you're an incel watching this right now please don't listen to Destiny's advice. Alex knows what he's talking about, Destiny's advice is really good, but it's not for incels, it's for like, slightly socially awkward people at best. Not to mention the minute an incel hears Destiny say that all their since of confidence and self esteem has probably already been determined by the age of 6 they will probably clock out at that point, nothing else he says will get through them, even if that's true, which I don't think it is for MOST incels; if the goal is to convince them, why would he say that? Destiny is very confident, outgoing, smart, rich, clout, etc. and he, ironically, seems incapable of empathizing with incels like Alex, which makes sense because he's a dating coach, but I think Destiny should find a better way to engage with this issue or just drop it especially if he thinks most of them are fucked past the age of fucking 6 years old.
I don't think he's saying ur fucked from six years old, just that later in life it would be really difficult develop that confidence without proper motivation and that he's not totally sure on what advice he could give to help this. The redpill advice of get money, get gainz doesn't really work if not doing it explicitly for self improvement. The get swol to get bitches mentality they advertise isn't conducive to building confidence because its not focused primarily on self improvement.
the truth is somewhere in the middle take both their advices
Bro... self aware incels already know to not listen to any dating advice. Alex's dating advice is just the usual redpill bro science "be confident" stick we all know won't work. Destiny just misinterprets who incels actually are so his advice is bad for them. Both of their advice might work for high-tier-normies or a few normies but not incels.
@@sajtospog9888 That wasn't his advice at all. Alex's advice was talking about how the field of psychology currently says is the best way to build a new skill. Small, incremental improvements. It was about building confidence by getting wins in small social interactions and gradually building up to break the self doubt framework you naturally will build from poor social interactions.
I have no idea how you came to your conclusion if you watched any of the video. You can say you don't believe his advice is helpful, but you first have to understand the advice.
@@egusisoup1826
It's true what Alex said that small steps and victories lead to improvements and more confidence but you have to remember that the opposite is also true.
Small defeats lead to the death of your confidence and lead to more introversion. It's obvious that incels can't even have that "small victories" in social situations because everyone is already repulsed by them and wants to avoid them ASAP
26:45
Thats not being worried about the girl, that's being worried about yourself. Its not consideration its insecurity.
“Women are more likely to get to relationships through sex”
Absolutely not true! Two dudes I was with were both looking for relationships but barely put any effort. We were having sex but when I confronted them about the effort part, they bailed. Women have it better in the dating market only if women want sex and pure sex. Relationship wise not at all
Exactly. Men who say women have it better/easier in dating are purely looking at it from a male perspective only. They always say “women are the gatekeepers of s*x, men are the gatekeepers of relationships” so whoever has it “harder” is gonna depend on which one they’re trying to get in that particular scenario
Maybe women don't have it better in the relationship department, but men don't either.
If a guy can't get sex you wouldn't give him the advice to "go for a relationship instead"
If women don't want to have sex with a man then asking for more from them (a relationship) won't work either
@@HP-sq2fp
No... men are not gatekeepers of relationships. Asking for a relationship is asking for more than just asking for sex. If you want to compare the two then you have to aknowledge that if you ask for more you'll have less success
Relationships take 1. Consistant effort long term and 2. Loyalty. Both are off putting to most people on todays dating market
They were lying to you that they want a relationship in order to have sex with you.
I guess it worked. Stay toxic, Kings!
Oh, and a correction. The top 10% of men have it better in the dating market. The next 10%, it's about the same. But the rest, some 80% of men are invisible to women. Which is proven by you saying that men have it better. No they don't.
You only acknowledge the existence of the top 20% of men. The "bottom" 80% don't even exist in your world. That's why you think that men have it better. It's because you are easy when you're attracted to someone. Think about all the men you rejected in your life. Do those guys have it better in the dating market than you?
What percentage of guys who approach you or send you a DM do you turn down? I bet it's over 99%.
I mean, your own life experiences disprove what you're trying to say, but you can't even see it.
Dating is so incredibly easy for women, I can't believe how you girls manage to screw it up so badly.
lmao at the "Incels are geniune argument".
One coworker I have is a textbook example of an incel and he literally laid it out how he approaches girls with the same questions, no matter who they are.
We went to a renaissance fare together and he'd go up to cosplayers and ask them the same generic questions.
He didn't engage with who they were cosplaying as or what they were talking about, he just went down his dialogue tree until he eventually went silent and couldn't respond anymore.
At which point it became super awkward and the girls just made up excuses to escape the situation.
This mirrors the red pill approach 100%, all of these "ask a girl these 5 questions to make her fall in love with you" guides where the same, only that they charge incels for teaching them about the "glitch" in the female brain.
They are not geniune by nature, they only care about themselves and people pick up on that super quickly.
Aren't you kind of poisoning our perception of why the supposed incel dude may or may not be acting in the way they are by drawing comparisons to redpilling as opposed to asking them why they do it and conveying that here in your anecdote?
@@mrjtfang2 I did tell him that I thought is was dishonest how he approached the girls by feigning interest and that he should only walk up to them if he's geniunely interested in the specific girl/costume, but he just disagreed and said that he wanted "to play the numbers game" and I left it at that because I thought it was pointless to argue with him.
Needless to say he didn't hook up or make friends with a single girl there (he talked to around 30 or so).
Also while my friends and I invited each other to a dozen drinks or so, which included him, he never offered to pay a round of drinks even though he can afford it.
He just has a leech mindset, taking things whenever possible and never giving back.
He is the product of the red pill community.
Whatre gud channels to turn too?
@@moonknight4053 for what? learning how to approach women or renaissance fares/cosplaying? :D
@@TheLumberjack1987 Hahah cheeky, no for approaching women.
Of course, Destiny has no advice for manlets.... At least he admits it's stolen valor when 5'7" guys claim to be manlets
I kinda agree with you, but also is it really in a country where the average height for men is 5'11 and 5'6 for women for example?
Funny enough, they ban you from the incel community if you are above a certain height because there is a lot of insteance where you are average or bellow average in the face but you are above 6'0" and you are white so you still got into a relationship. But average height increases over time as each generation becomes taller (young adults are the ones driving up the average). Young adults are also the primary population who dates so their average height is going to be taller than the average height of the entire population
@@sajtospog9888 From the data I've seen average height hasn't actually increased in young people
Yes! As a 5’5” guy I secretly mald whenever a 5’8 or 5’9 guy claims to be a “short king”, I’m sorry bro, you’re just lower on the bell curve, you’re not actually short royalty.
@@akalion213
In the last 150 years there have been an increase of 10-20 cm in the average male height. Mainly in first world countries. It could be because of more nutritious food, better healthcare etc but I don't think it's mainly that.
I think it's because of women choosing taller partners, then their offsprings also became taller as a consequence. It's the evolution of humans
I'm surprised to see Destiny's take on FWB's. Usually there's women you can vibe with, but there's some aspect you know won't work out long-term (child preference, career path, etc), but since you're both compatible on at least a sexual level you can both be reliable on that aspect.
Man destiny doesnt have a single clue what its like being an incel. He has good takes but he is not the one to go to for incel help
Well... Most people don't understand incels, much less know how to help them.
They think an incel is an average dude who acts creepy or just didn't work on his appearance
Wait, Skippy is NOT “too considerate.” He is dripping with selfish motives. All his moves are about what he can get in return. If anything it’s desperation.
What a fundamental misunderstanding of Skippy. I can’t even believe you believe this about him.
'competence = confidence' is the most valuable advice for all the incels imo
"Just be confident bro"
@@sajtospog9888 yeah that’s bad advice
Being good looking makes you confident
@@cevan5042
Being good looking makes you be percieved as competent (halo effect) and it makes you more confident
Being ugly makes you look incompetent (failo/devil effect) and makes you less confident
If you are ugly you'll be percieved as incompetent even tho you may not be. When you show competence people will percieve it as overcompensation
i disagree. i think there's something more to this confidence thing.
for me confidence is the ability to face whatever outcomes that you're dealing with.
you can say that this thing is false confidence, but that's exactly why i don't think competence is the key for having 'it'. because i have seen so many examples of people with high confidence but have no shit to back it up.
the point is competence doesn't needed for confidence (and it can be false confidence though).
and i think when we talk about someone as a confidence person, everyone assume his confidence isn't a false confidence but (i don't know what to called it) a justified confidence (or backed up).
in conclusion.
confidence is the ability to face whatever outcomes that you're facing with. (sorry i don't know how)
it's can manifest in 2 ways which is a false or justified confidence. and generally you want to be confident but have the shit to backed it up.
(or maybe I'm just dead wrong)
(english is my third language btw, so please be gentle)
skippy doesnt care about what his date wants hes been on alot of dates with good looking woman. and she will genuinely like him. but he starts pushing his agenda and shit. she clearly stats no. and he will start to beg and start to ruin the date and the girls feelings toward him start to go down hill
I think Destiny is using the word “empathy” in the same context as most people would associate “emotional intelligence”. Could be wrong though
His definition of empathy is correct, though, people sometimes use "empathy" when they mean "considerate" (more like having regard for other's feelings) or even just "kind". Destiny's definition of considerate it is off, though.
The dating coach switched from using "empathy" to "considerate" when he realised that Destiny misconstrued what he meant by guys being 'too' empathetic.
@@vincerobinson2864 empathy doesn’t just mean to understand, it is to understand AND SHARE feelings.
Alex was great on the topic of confidence but Destiny has a way better framing of consideration and empathy in regards to dating.
Key things to take away from red pill people. Remember improving isn't about big jumps in perceived progress but in reality small improvements that add up over time my old ssgt put it well improve your situation by 2% each day and within a few months you won't even recognize the world around you. Work on yourself before you work on a relationship with someone else. Love yourself before you attempt to love someone else. Plus the idea that if today is the worst day tomorrow can only be better and if it turns out to be worse than the day before then you know you were overreacting and adjust accordingly.
This thought pattern will improve your outlook on life imo as a man. It *should* help you develop confidence and give you focus.
The “legal expert” had his face like 🤨🤨🤨 for the entire debate
I am enjoying this discussion, thank you! I think confidence comes with experience, the more you are able to establish/maintain relationships, the more confidence there will be. Forcing confidence sometimes can come off as a mix of defensiveness and arrogance, which is an instant turn-off, so its a double-edged sword. I guess appropriate confidence is more a result or a consequence of focusing on pursuing meaningful goals in life....
You can fake confidence without arrogance. It's about having assurance in skill, which competence falls under. Just display what you are confident in and joke with what you can't.
But besides that, true confidence is your personal assurance in fulfilling expectations "reliably." There is a level of scaling maturity that can go with it from immaturity, as well as respect.
This was a very good conversation, really good back and forth.
when Destiny is talking about imposter syndrome a lot of that could be co related to high levels of neuroticism, negative emotion has an effect on your self esteem.
I think a lack of social skills and recognition of social Qs is one of the biggest problems with incels not getting the girl
5 things you ACTUALLY need to stop being an incel.
1)status
2)money
3)looks
4)confidence
5)"game" (social skills, emotional intelligence, charisma, maturity, boundaries, playfullness etc...)
It is enough to have only 2 of these things to get girls, but in those cases, those 2 things need to be on an elite level. Sometimes only 1 is enough, but not for anything long term and successfull and healthy.
That's the real answer which works in reality. The answer which can actually help an incel. All of these can be improved by putting in work.
Now let's analise Destiny's points.
1)Don't be needy/clingy. Aye, fair enough, but that advice is not going to help an incel and is a part of being confident. But if you have 3 of the 5 actually attractive things I pointed out, you will get away with being needy and clingy. At least in order to hook up with girls. It's called "love bombing" and it works only if she's attracted to you. In the long run, and if you want an actual longterm relationship you gotta take care of it. More for yourself, for your own sanity, than for a girl.
2) Have a genuine interest/conversation. If she's not attracted to you (and if you're an incel that means by default you're not attractive), you could be the best conversationalist in the world, it's not gonna get you anywhere. At best she will use you for your time, attention and validation and you will end up in the friendzone every time. Genuine interest only works if she wants that interest and attention coming from you. Which she doesn't if you're not attractive.
3)Confidence. No issue with this point. We agree. Confidence is attractive to women.
4)Consideration. Oh, fuck no. If you're an incel and she's not attracted to you, no amount of consideration will make her be attracted to you. Same thing again, it's a highway to the friendzone.
5)Grooming. This falls under the looks category. But grooming isn't nearly enough. You gotta hit the gym and dress well and groom nicely.
I mean, Destiny said it himself, he's not a dating coach. But most of his advice wouldn't help an actual incel at all. Like, zero help.
Women treat you very differently when they're attracted to you and when they're not. They put guys in those two categories (consciously or subconsciously).
If you're an attractive guy, you get away with so much shit. You can have none of the things from Destiny's list, but if she finds you attractive you're in.
On the other hand, the things on my list is what will actually make you attractive to girls. If you don't have any of the things from that list, you will never be attractive to girls.
If you're unattractive, then you can "persuade" her, it's not unheard of. However, "persuading" her is "game". But you will not get the same treatment from the girl as she gives to the guy she's actually attracted to.
If you're a real incel, none of this blue pill shit will help you. There is no easy way or quick solution. You have to put in the work.
And all the crap advice you hear from women (Destiny included) is always wrong. It applies ONLY IF the girl already sees you as attractive.
That's why they always answer like that. They hear the question, then they imagine Henry Cavill and ask themselves "What would I want from Henry Cavill?" They don't even realise average guys exist or that they are human.
And here are some actionable points you can start working on today.
1) start going to the gym religiously and never stop. It's good for you anyway and if you're not disciplined enough for that, of course you won't be attractive to girls. Physically and mentally
2) start talking to random women you find attractive everywhere you go (within reason, of course). Doesn't matter if it it's uncomfortable or the "situation isn't perfect"... There's always gonna be an excuse or a reason not to approach a girl, but you need to get experience.
3)start taking cold showers. This will train your brain to become more comfortable with uncomfortable situations. It will come in handy and it's something small you can start doing on your own, today.
4)Start researching how you can improve your financial status.
Maybe you can educate yourself more, get some degrees or certificates which will move you up on the financial ladder.
4)Inform yourself on female nature. The red pill gets a lot of hate, but it's all factual information. The reason it gets hate is because in this clown world we live in, speaking the truth is almost illegal.
5) Stop being lazy. You know you could be doing more. Get off your ass. Do the work.
Also, one important thing to remember is that a very small percentage of girls are actually worthy of all the effort men have to put in to get them. You'll find that out once you start getting some results. So, don't worship them or put them on a pedestal. If you do that, she has no other choice but to look down on you, since you put her above you. Women can't be with men they look down upon. It's against their nature.
They need to look up to their man.
I wish all the guys who read this and find it usefull good luck! I really do care about you guys. You have been lied to all your life and it isn't right. Here is the truth. It might not sound nice, or feel good. But there it is. It's gonna be difficult, but not impossible. Stay strong, Kings!
You can do it.
>*says bluepillers are clueless about what an incel is and that their advice is bad*
>*lists confidence and game as things you need to escape inceldom*
>*says looks matter*
>* backpedals immediately with "game works, you can persuade women"*
>*says bluepill advice is bad*
>*gives all the just bro advice of "Just go to gym bro, Just approach girls bro, Just earn money bro, Just put in the work bro" that every other man heard before*
I can't believe how delusional redpillers are when it comes to incels and the blackpill
@@sajtospog9888 1) Lists no points to the contrary
2) Are they not?
3) Do they not?
4) Purposefully misunderstood (if stupid) or misrepresented (if bad faith)
5) Isn't it?
6) Does the "bro" advice work?
You're just dog-whistling to your echo chamber. I'm trying to help guys. Your intentions are bad. Mine are good.
@@wizardddy3023
The guys you are helping are not incels. Every normie and incel already know about the just bro advices like going to the gym, being confident and earning money. You'll only get ahead of men who are not doing it and most people already do it or did it. The problem is you only see people who got the results and you never see the losers who already tried everything and got nowhere, the incels. The redpill is full of survivorship bias.
And yes... You can't achieve things without hard work, and hard work does make a difference. You know why hard work makes a difference? Because not everyone is doing it. But what you listed most men already do.
Therefore what really makes a difference are things that are outside of your control. Your face, your height, your race, your bone structure, your biology.
Therefore "HARD WORK" is just a term people who were GIVEN everything in life use to gaslight you
Also, the only thing that matters in dating is looks.
1)You can't be percieved as confident or charismatic if you are ugly (reverse halo/devil effect)
2)If you are ugly you'll develop an introverted, antisocial personality because you'll be ostracized during your formative years from social situations due to your looks. And then you being ugly and weird in social situations snowballs until you reach an age where you can't do anything about it anymore.
Money can't buy attraction.
"Earn money and then women will desire you." betabuxx advice
"There's no gym for your face, there's no confidence for your height, there's no money for attraction"
@@sajtospog9888 I'm sorry. I thought you were blue pill.
Your attitude is so grim and defetist that I don't even know what colour pills you're poppin. xD
Look, it's not about trying these things I mentioned. It's about commiting to them. If an incel has been living his incel life with his incel habits for decades, then it's gonna take more work. More practice. More time.
And what's your suggestion, then? Because by what I'm reading it seems like you would say to incels "Just give up."
The bro advice works. That's why you heard the same "shtick" a bunch of times. If it didn't work for someone, that man gave up too soon or he's some sort of extreme case example. All the advice I gave is something men should do just for their own pursuit of happiness.
So it's not something you just try. You commit to doing them always. Untill you die. No matter if it gets you girls or not. But it will, when you reach a certain level of success in those areas.
Also, I think we have different ideas of what an "incel" actually is.
@@sajtospog9888 just ignore these npc r3tards they dont even listen or care
also they are the reason why ince/ websites are going offline as or recently
It's not the majority of Muslims who are defending Tate - seems to be a specific subset of the younger male population who are shouting the loudest. Ask the people around you and you'll get differing opinions from both male and female Muslims.
He only seems to talk to weirdo online muslims and generalises based on their opinions. In my day to day generally no muslims I know have done anything but condemn Tate so that particular take feels off to me
I feel like having a nice house actually feeds into confidence quite a bit, especially if you are the one keeping it clean as you are more self sufficient. Same with making your own meals, which many girls (and guys) are into as long as you can make at least one thing they like.
I think the huge problem is that social skills are lacking in a lot of ppl. You almost have to gain them early on. There are almost no opportunities to get better in adulthood. This has led to a lot of social problems.
It was hard to listen to them use different definitions for empathy/consideration. Neither was wrong but I wish some was there to help bridge the gap
I am shocked. Why do all these girls sleep with all these guys when the latter don’t even intend to date them?
Destiny and Alex are running into huge terminology problems here. Destiny seems to be meaning that it’s good to understand what’s happening in other people’s heads (which is true), but PWF is talking about people who have trouble with trying to read into people’s heads too much. I think if you’re not an asshole but have issues with dating/pickup, the issue might be that you may have to risk making people uncomfortable in order to learn Destiny’s empathy.
This is why JBP says to start with yourself. Clean your room. That is one thing that everyone can do and feel good about. People like Destiny mock this, but it's really well-established that you need to start small in order to build confidence. Take one 30 min walk every day, make sure you think 5 glasses of water. Small things like that add up and builds good habits.
Huh? in one of his most recent debate about this topic he references that exact book that Peterson wrote, quoting the "clean your room" line you just said saying its essential for maintaining a healthy relationship/marriage.
Destiny=factorio nerd cringe man
You must be new, or outright lying. That's probably the one thing he'll agree with Jordan on.
Steven has publicly praised JBP for saying this.
If you're friends with benefits, but just see the person when you boots call them. You aren't "friends" with benefits. You're just benefits. You're skipping the friend part. Feelings usually start with at least 1 of the pple.
Bruh? Thats what fwb is tho- just bootycalls
@Vid Zorko No its not. You're not friends at that point. You're just random pple that meet up and have sex.
@@vidzorko4492 you’re supposed to be friend too though
5 things:
1. Be clean and presentable.
2. Be fit (but not an obsessed Gym Bro).
3. Be nice (but not a nice guy).
4. Get a hobby, be passionate about it, but not obsessed.
5. Get a job and be good in it. It doesn't have to be a top job, but something you're doing and you get good at.
Those 5 things will get you above 80% of people.
Okay... then what? If you still fail then what?
Everyone engages in survivorship bias when talking about incels. They think they just haven't tried that's why no woman likes them because everyone who puts in effort gets rewarded. But that's not how the world works. There are winners because there are losers. Most people never see the losers
You can probably reinforce all those messages to balance. Problem is most of the people this should apply to have a lot of imbalance in their lives which often enough cannot be resolved internall or through your own efforts.
@Lmao Do you people actually talk to normal people, or just look at people who are either online or vapid? And if you are literally always somehow failing wherever you go...
I would change "nice" to "kind." It might come across as synonymous, but I think kindness is a choice. Nice guys are only nice/pushovers because they cant be anything else. Kindness is just who you are.
@Lmao Women don't pursue because they don't have to. They already have a seemingly endless supply of men approaching them. Therefore their value increases due to them being in demand. It's just like economics
I LOVE listening to Steven talk about BBC! 😁👍
I like Alex but from 12:00 ish he is just spitting nonsense about people’s psychology and I think he just made it up because that’s not how people work
The whole nation of Stanistan is stanning so hard for Tate right now. It's so fcking cringe to see these people clamming for favor with tate
It's cringe that you think liking someone's content makes you a stan. Or thinking someone didn't commit a crime.
@@EM-fo6yr cringe
@@EM-fo6yr Stanning is cringe.
Im cringe on jah
@@richardhands904 cringe
Tip: If you're goal is to go looking for sex, don't be surprised when sex is all you find.
I think confidence comes from being loved as a child. Or more like, confidence is the natural state of a human, and feeling like a loser is something you learn through experiences.
Competence 100%. Competence at something will play heavily into having self confidence. I work in a STEM field (software development) which is predominately populated with men. I do not understand much of what my developers talk about (and nor do I have the desire to put in the effort to get to their level of skill), but I can tell that they are damn good at what they do, and it is a joy to watch their minds work, even though the topic itself is not of particular interest to me, though I recognize that it is a very useful skill in today's day and age.
My point here as that competence in something is very attractive from an external stand point, and internally, it will give the competent person confidence which will help them present themselves better to others.
Another plus here, is that if you have a competency in something, it also gives you something to talk about with others.
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Imposter syndrome is something to contend with, but building a competency is still a good idea regardless if you don't have any yet. Deal with imposter syndrome when and if it happens.
Bro listening to destiny give dating advice is peak clown world
"Get a haircut"
Has a mop on his head
"Be groomed"
Has scraggly, misshapen beard
"Dress well"
Wears pajamas everywhere
"Be considerate"
Negs endlessly
Why does he go to such lengths to avoid saying girls are attracted to wealth and fame? Why are we pretending that isn't true?
On the topic of empathy, we commonly associate it with positive outcomes but it's really just being able to accurately model another person's mental state. Manipulative people are empathetic, and they use it against you.
Women are not attracted to people with wealth. There is a reason those people are called betabuxxers and dead bedroomers.
You can't make up for physical attractiveness with anything
Trueeeee
dude this is what im saying
people tell us to grow a beard but not like that bro!
lmao its over
fck all of these people
we just are so genetically trash that nothing works and these people just parasite off the ince/ topic
No one isn't saying there isn't truth to people enjoying wealth and fame. But to stop the analysis there would be to close your eyes in a world where most adults are having romantic relationships despite not being wealthy or famous.
You made a good observation initially but then lost your nuance. The point is, there are many things that people find attractive and many things they tend ro find unattractive. The higher your attractive attributes the more leeway you get in other areas. This is true in most areas of life. Sports, work, relationships, etc.
A funny, charismatic, empathetic, millionaire can get away with looking like a goblin at times. The average incel cannot. That's the point.
It's similar to the halo effect. Tha phenomena applies to a small amount of people who abnormally excel in a few positive lanes, however, Destiny is giving advice to AVERAGE people, who don't have that luxury. It's much more practical to master the fundamentals than it is to pray on a star you become a statistical anomaly. Most men are not statistical anomalies. Most men can and are having success in dating
negging gets a bad rap and The kind of negging that gets a bad rap isn’t even proper negging, that’s the negging that doesn’t even work.
If you are coming across as a offending jerk and just totally inconsiderate than that’s not proper negging. Negging is supposed to come across as friendly and playful. It’s something men and women have done to those they like since forever.
Interesting that Destiny defines "empathy and consideration" exactly how the rest of us define "social intelligence".
What would be the difference?
@watj they have overlap, but are not the same. Social intelligence is based on cultural norms, while empathy and consideration may include that but are a bit more encompassing.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 so what would be the problem with using these terms interchangeably?
@@jd8184 Because of how wide empathy and consideration are it may not work. Like how when speaking about dogs you can still say animals and be right but at certain moments be wrong. The problem lies in interchangeability.
Another thing may be consideration, it can be that someone wants to be left alone (because they ae having a bad day) but social norms may dictate you to do an action depending upon your culture to show care (like soup or leaving them alone).
A better example would be the group date thing. You would use social intelligence to denote whether its a group date because the girl wants to be friends or its her cultural norm. In my culture group dates are more common for a first date so I see nothing wrong with it.
Its really just more exact and fitting to dating/friendship is the reason.
@@aaronmontgomery2055
ah ok i think see. thanks
I was late to a first date. I’m a late person 🤷🏽♀️
Unsure if the question at 33:18 is easy to answer since personally I think making sure the girl feels comfortable is important BUT I don't think it matters if you offend her. It's ok to make them mad or sad but not unsafe.
I think he could’ve better explained his difference of compassionate and simping by explaining being compassionate is when you have the ability to notice when you are simpy and can stop yourself from it
Hot take here but think the only people that can give out relationship advice is those already in one. A lot of RP dudes give advice from the single bachelor lifestyle.
I wouldn't consider Skippy as considerate at all. By either of their definitions.
All of the things listed for how to not be an incel do not increase your sexual market value marginally, if at all. Your sexual market value is heavily based on superficial characteristics that you can not change like looks or (arguably) socioeconomic status.
Unfortunately I don't think Tinder is what it used to be (maybe there are better sites for this now), but when I was 22 and had very little experience around women I started using Tinder just to get normal dates with women. Not hookups. Just meet up somewhere and talk for a couple hours until I met someone I really clicked with and eventually sex just happened. I feel like when you set a goal for yourself of "I'm going to make out with a girl" that adds additional unnecessary pressure and can also make an encounter feel inorganic.
Well, think the making up part is the next step you take after the talking part. Probably the real first step would be to get comfortable in talking with the opposite sex face to face without anyone being there.
@@Kuroganemk2 Right yeah pretty sure that's what I said here. The guy Destiny was talking to said his level 1 task he gives to a guy is get into a tinder date's house and make out with them. That was step 1. Kind of an odd first step imo.
@@delorne2776 Yeah, then he skipped to having sex after making out xD Two smol steps.
Tbh, if she is gonna be the mother to ur kids, u shouldn’t have sex right away. Wait it out, just talk and get to know eachother, I could wait over a month for sex if it was with someone I pushed myself to like
Great conversation. I think Destiny genuinely got steam rolled. Not in a crazy way though. His lotions were weak.
Sometimes being considerate is being up front about something someone won't like
I can say for sure friends with benefits can exist without complications. But ONLY because the friends with benefits situation I have is my ex gf from high school. We've known each other for 15 years, we have ZERO romantic feelings towards each other specifically BECAUSE we know each other too well by now & act like an old married couple. We go right back to just hanging out after we do anything. Things sparking again would be almost impossible for myself, I just don't have those feelings for her.
Maybe with people who are just starting to know each other a friends with benefits relationship will always end up with one person catching feelings but with exs its totally different. I'm surprised to hear destiny say otherwise when he just said that he's had people he's messed around with but would never date
& it's always different. I have another ex I cut off all contact between us because we could never ONLY be friends. The attraction was too strong between us, we both knew we couldn't speak to each other without it being a sexual mess.
Be emotionally available and intimately honest but don’t ever come off as clingy or needy. Basically, completely suppress your trauma, suppress your hormones and your neediness, AND be emotionally available. So I think you basically have to create a fake personality, and be emotionally available from the standpoint of that fake personality???
I think it’s more like have an appropriate amount of emotional availability for someone that you are just getting to know. That means you aren’t completely available when you barely know each other. That’s what comes off as clingy and desperate. It also feels like they are clingy to you for superficial reasons, like you don’t even know if you even like that person lol. But yeah, you have to kind of gage how open and intimate is right for that time and person.
Also, being clingy comes off as feeling entitled to that persons time and investment, without even realizing if she is reciprocating or is into it the same way you are. It screams just caring about what you want.
@@evalebedinsky3830 I hear that… …I just think there has to be some way to on-ramp incels into sexual-romantic society. If we are saying “we want you to be emotionally available and open,” but what that person’s experience is of trauma, terror, isolation, and being literally judged all the time- it’s not that the person cannot be emotionally available. It’s that what they have to share when they are open and earnest, to the degree that they are open and earnest, is going to be a huge turn off to women. So if women want you to be honest and authentic, but what you have behind you is a decade or more of trauma around women, - then how is this going to work?
@@LionKimbro I don’t really know what you mean I guess by being open and honest? Do you mean just being yourself? Anyway, to your question, I would say incels don’t really see women as people. They put them on this pedestal and don’t realize they are people with flaws, worries, insecurities, hopes, goals dreams and their own traumas. And probably you will only see women as people if you aren’t trying to fuck them, because you’ll be too focused on the wrong things. If you are trying to be friends with a girl and genuinely, you can start seeing her as a person.Doing this with many different girls so you can see that they are actually very different and want different things so you can realize not all girls are the same. It’s the same thing for girls with relationship trauma, needing to meet other guys to see they are just people who are insecure and flawed and have strengths as well. I would also say you need to go to the gym and lift weights if you’re a guy. Knowing you are clearly physically stronger than women will lower your intimidation towards them but also hopefully make you realize that you are clearly at a physical advantage compared to women, and so you can have more empathy for womens behaviours around feeling safe or unsafe around men.
Destiny is high on Empathy and low on Politeness (2 factors of the trait Agreeableness from Big 5), which why he is way off on the "considerate debate". He doesn't realize that there are two distinct factors that he possesses in an unlikely combo, which why his language in the consideration debate is way off.
Destiny became Jordan Peterson @7:47
I feel like one of the main things for the incel nice guy dudes is that they probably grew up in a single home with no dad. Ik for me the only thing my mom told me would get a girl is just being nice and it’ll all work out
Except incels didn't only try 1 thing. They tried everything. You don't only get advice from your parents on dating, if you evem get any. A chad with great looks but from a single parent household always beats an ugly guy with great background
@@sajtospog9888 chad literally just has to exist. his background, income, personality, upbringing, does not matter
6:25 hahaha, I was late to my first date by like an hour and a half and now we’ve been together for nearly 9 years
the way destiny talks about confidence is one of the most toxic things about him. The idea of "if youre not confident by 6 years old then try to travel back in time" is not terribly useful to anyone now is it? Also its complete nonsense, I have heard these claims from scientists that we develop most of our personality in childhood. There might be some truth to that, but it is abundantly clear to anyone with some life experience that this early programming can be altered even late in life.
The vast majority of people can develop the sort of confidence you would need to attract a partner. Maybe you will not be in the top percentile of confidence but you dont need to be, you just need to be confident "enough". I take issue with the way destiny talks about this topic because I feel it unnecessarily discourages people based on the grounds of very shaky science.
I mean-he's describing that its fucking insanely difficult to change your personality in a short amount of time. That's not wrong, its ENTIRELY true.
Alex is my early pick for 2023 buddy of the year
As a 40+ year old married (for almost 10 years) incel, I honestly don't know what women find sexy or attractive. I've heard I am attractive, but don't know what I would do to enhance what it is that I have. It's not like I could put on a push-up bra, or wear heels. I feel for the men that haven't haven't found a partner and genuinely don't understand how Destiny or Alex could hook up. When I was dating my wife, I felt like I had to act like I was cool and sexy, and that somehow tricked my now wife into finding that in me. I still don't get it
How are you a married incel? Are you saying you hate women or what?
Married incel? Sexless marriage?
@@bro918 Sometimes my wife humors me, but she's really not interested in me or any other man (or so she claims). My friends my age are going through the same thing. There really needs to be a support group for middle-aged married incels.
It's easy, be good looking and somewhat tall.
Steven would be so much faster if he'd just copy paste his train stops and the ground/concrete/whatever patches all in one go.
Instead he copy pastes individual sections, it drives me nuts!
It’s incredibly easy to get a girl.
lol
How many guys has destiny been with, she seems like she’s got it all down.
Nah... He is just a passport bro using his fame to get his fans' GFs from other countries. That's how he got his wife
Why wasn't this video posted before I broke up with my gf thanks for the great advice destiny you make it so simple to understand
I couldn’t imagine wasting this much of my life thinking and talking about relationships. I know they can be an important part of people’s lives but at least for me there are so many things I care about so much more. I’m 30 now so according the red pill guys I should be lonely and miserable, which I am miserable but it’s because of my health issues and financial troubles stemming from that, not because I don’t have a husband or kids.
Not really. The red pill guys wouldn't say that you SHOULD be lonely and miserable. They would say that on a balance of probabilities, a woman in your situation will most likely end up that way.
They would say that you can still get a man extremely easily, just not the top calibre of guys you're actually attracted to.
Taking into account that you most likely won't "settle" or lower your standards, or maybe you're just uninterested... And the window of opportunity for you to find a quality man is almost closed because men look for beauty and youth (it is what it is, no use debating it or crying about it)...
What's the most likely end result for the next 40-50 years of your life if you don't find a man and start a family?
Loneliness, which causes misery in both men and women. But it causes much more misery for women. Most men are used to loneliness. You are an attractive woman. You're not used to loneliness at all. You don't know what it is. I suggest it's better never to find out, but hey... You do whatever you want.
Feminism has done a great job brainwashing women to believe that they can be happy without a man or children/grandchildren in their life. Which is true for a miniscule percentage of women. The vast majority will be deeply unhappy in their later years without a family.
Red Pill isn't about vengence or personal attacks. It's about facts, probabilities, information and risk mitigation. At least it should be. I agree that there are idiots who give it a bad rep, but that's true for any group. You will have moderates and fanatics and everything in between.
If someone is taking joy in your misery, I think it's pretty obvious that's a bad person. Those people are present everywhere, not just in the Red Pill community.
On a more personal note, I'm genuinely sorry to hear you have health issues. They must be serious if they're causing you to be miserable. I had some family members deal with some serious health issues and it's a very difficult ordeal... Hopefully, you beat whatever condition it is.
cope
spoken like someone who can get one anytime
I think in terms of competence leading to confidence, finding something where the measure of success is objective as possible is helpful bc it provides less of a chance to spin it and eventually dismiss it in your mind.
Destiny is the worse to ask for advice smh this is why red pill has grown because these are the men y’all are watching smh
Trying to work hookup culture makes you a sociopath. Stop caring about women and you will find them chasing you.
Go talk to'm about it.
@@pinbraid
"Just don't chase women bro then the women will chase you bro"
@SajtosPOG Are you trying to say something? Women like men that have purpose.
0:10 ummm... more trucks, more uh grunt, more uh stoic uh more gravel grunt and uh buy more course my yea uh uh huh huh ha
Destiny was literally just over explaining what social awareness is
I was late to my first date with my husband he knew what he was getting into 😂
I think the important thing is to BE considerate not to try to be considerate. Like you need to read her, where the lines are and what she thinks is too far to joke about and what not. But you shouldn't sit there and super try to censor yourself becuase you think she might upset you. It's not about what you think she thinks it's about having a vibe and read on what she actually thinks. Doesn't mean you tip around on your toes but you know where the edges are and what not to do and say.
57:45 Men have higher body counts than women? I would like to know how they conducted such a study. Do they just put in over 1000 body count when a dude like Fresh ads to it lol?
The third party in this debate was annoying af to listen to.
it was obvious alex didnt get what destiny ment with considerate
I think that every comment under this video is a destiny as a girl's name joke
Great video
Destiny doesn't get it. The caller does.
This person thinks being considerate is an interaction, all it means is that you have an awareness of someone's feelings or possible feelings. It doesn't necessarily mean that you act nice to people.
destiny is talking about considerate/empathy as literally just thoughts
other guy is talking about how you act regardless of your understanding. he is labelling considerate as a way of acting rather than literally just thoughts.
but I think both agree that having the ability of understanding is important
destiny is talking about empathy/considerate THOUGHTS (not talking about actions at all)
alex is talking about empathetic/considerate ACTIONS