And loaded, rich punkers. This guy's net worth is 25 million dollars and his macho buddy Henry Garfield (Rollins) is worth at least 12 million. It's only their dumbass fans that eat tuna fish and dried ramen noodles.
that is bullshit. and even if Ian Mackaye had that much money, he's literally operated his businesses in the least exploitive way - so good for him. Plus I would imagine Henry Rollins has more money than Ian Mackaye, he does spoken word tours pretty often, acts, etc. Also, fuck off, your last sentence has nothing to do with anything
I am an adult punker that grew up listening to Fugazi. I am 35 now, i was a little too young to know Minor Threat in the 80s. My wife is a vegetarian. I never paid much attention to my health until i met my wife. I use to think i wasn't eating so bad but compared to what i eat today, thanks to my wife's guidance, it's totally different. I'm still not a vegetarian but i sure as hell eat ALOT more fruits and vegetables then i used to !
Yes. It is convenience. People are set in their habits and not going to go out of their ways to change when it doesn't present "immediate" danger in their life. Plus some selfishness.
@Mayan Ruins actually, plants take longer to digest in your body. A little bit of energy is taken out over time as opposed to meat which is metabolized very quickly. Although we are omnivores, the length of our digestive tract is closer to that of an herbivore than a carnivore. What you say about staying full, that's one of several places here where you are completely wrong. Instead of getting so defensive about your CHOICE to consume animals, maybe educate yourself first. Please.
And I may be eating meat again for now, but I never found it hard to just stop eating meat. Dude, do you have any idea how many different things there are for human beings to eat on this planet?
@@theabysshasnogender855 I'm a vegan and a cyclist and after going vegan my performance increased visibly. You should give it a try mate. Why not? Take care!
I follow him on a lot of things “like living healthy, staying away from drugs” but these “straight-edge militants” enforcing it on other people is quite literally the least punk thing ever
I'm not a vegan but I found all his points good and undebatable. If someone asked me why was I not a vegan, I'd probably just say that I like the taste of meat. But really, as Ian made me rethink it, it's just the convinience. Cheap meat products is just what I am mostly forced(?) to consume because I am not a very wealthy person. All of my foods contain the same cheap pork and beef mixture that's much cheaper. Vegetarianism has become such a joke for its fundamentalistic supporters, but he seems like a smart man.
For anyone wanting to know about Veganism: For Ethical reasons watch Earthlings, Meet your Meat, From Farm to Fridge, Lucent ,If Slaughterhouses had Glass Walls For Health reasons watch Forks over Knives, Vegucated, What the Health , Eating You Alive . For Environmental aspect watch Cowspiracy.
2016 - Although straight edge is not explicitly supportive of vegetarianism, MacKaye has stated that he is a vegetarian because he regards it as a logical progression of his views.[23] He follows a strict vegan diet.[24][25 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_MacKaye
Hayden Bray Woah now Ian Makaye is awesome he is always speaking publicly about how skate boarding and music is a good outlet for kids. he fights to get parks for kids who would be on the street.
I take loads of inspiration from the straight edge scene. I'm not alone in this, I know that now but my 20s were full of imagination, rage, hurt and rebellion that was the legacy of my teenage rebellion. All this involved straight edge related things. The environment I grew up in never accepted me as a person: The antithetical side didn't want me because I never got into sex, drugs and alcohol, the sober people didn't want me because I was not Catholic, Conservative or Redneck. I was also a goth, still am lol, which outcasted me for many years and fueled a lot of my behaviours that persisted well into my adult life. I've found ways to cope and find friends and family who accept me for who I was and how I currently am but that's taken my whole life story to accomplish and be experienced in. Straight Edge stuff has been a major outlet for me for the longest time. It allowed me some peace of mind from the mainly troubled world I experienced growing up. I eat meat but I don't drink, smoke or do drugs and never get into _getting laid_ or other sexual crazies like many others do. This is all personal to me though and has nothing to do with the bulk of my politics.
@Ritff666l-e9e mid late 2000s to 2010s. I was homeless too between 17 and 20, never got into drugs and alcohol and smoking like how others did. This part of my life kind of made me more clear minded.
Was 8 years vegetarian, then 2 1/2 strict vegan, then I caved, don’t eat much meat, but I miss the way I felt ethically and physically. Thanks for this video, time to start racking up karma points, with the world crumbling and all.
Drugs or alcohol is a painkiller for some teenagers and adults. Some of us did not have the best of circumstances growing up - for example; some people who hurt themselves or kill themself are typically in so much emotional pain they can't stand it. I wanted to end my life, forcing I called the crisis hotline and I was put on path of Rehabilitation.... healing my wounds and getting therapy. I needed the buzz to help me kill the pain so I didn't kill myself first
I became a vegetarian shortly after reading an interview with Ian / Embrace in Flipside magazine at the end of 1985. I’m still a vegetarian today. No one knows this unless they offer me food with meat in it. Then I tell them I’m a vegetarian and the response is always something positive.
I don't know why people are so proud of being secret vegetarians. Be proud! Inspire! Educate! You don't have to be an asshole about it, but I don't think it's very productive to protest in silence.
I eat meat but I have so much respect for this guy. I love animals and I hate knowing the fact that when I meat I'm eating an animal that was slaughtered... It hurts but I can't give it up..
I dig what you're saying. I had the same mental dilemma until I changed my thought process and realized, "It's not about ME. It's about other beings. Creatures of all kinds ". I've been vegan even since. It's not about you and what you want. "The animals of the world exists for their own reasons" -Alice Walker.
"Circle of life" doesn't apply to factory farming. Only applies if you're willing to hunt your dinner. Calfs born in a box and sent up the slaughter ramp by the millions isn't the "circle of life".
I was a vegetarian for 30 years and I got into more arguments defending WHY I became a vegetarian versus arguments that I ever picked for someone being a non-vegetarian. Meat eaters feel guilty and need to fuck with anyone who poses a threat to their way of life. I got into the "you can't get these vitamins" argument from people who were morbidly obese.
And this does not change the fact that Ian has made some badass music and is an immense talent. I just close my ears the moment he gets on his soapbox and starts hectoring us at length about what we choose to do with ourselves.
I am the same way with Straight Edge, however, I am a meat eater and live on a farm. I have seen animals butchered and have partaken in animal butchering, mainly chickens. It was hard to grasp the concept at first but the way the animals were butchered was quick and painless. Coming from a background with knowledge of chickens, some breeds are meant for butcher and meat and if they aren't butchered, they can die by heart attacks or broken joints just by how big they get so sometimes it's best if it is done that way. They were also free ranged for their lives as well. Anyways, I do not judge anyone who is a vegetarian at all or someone who drinks. Being a college student, being straight edge is rather tough because people think that I'm not cool then by not drinking. But by all means, if you want a beer or whatever, have one, but don't be an idiot or be obnoxious, or drive drunk. Just have common sense. Great words Ian!
Oh so just cuz you've seen chickens be murdered and tortured that makes it ok? Would it be ok to murder you, just as long as it was quick and painless? Your logic is unfounded and lacks substance. Educate yourself more on what the meat dairy and egg industries are doing to the planet and to human health. Earthlings and cowspiracy... After you watch those documentaries then you might have true compassion and understanding. I swear to you I'm not a troll and not saying this to be an asshole or something. I'm challenging you, and anyone else who reads this, to delve deep into the systematic rape, torture and murder of billions of sentient beings per year. Thank you and have a great day
+bigscreen bird first off is that what we do is not torture. At least how I raise them. I do understand that several industrial farms treat their animals extremely poorly. However, the last time I checked they have plenty of land to roam. Plenty of food to eat and water to drink and when it comes time for processing, it is a very simple systematic approach that is done with in seconds. If we were to not eat animals in general, the earth would be over populated. And for the human comment, yes it is different killing off a human. Humans have skills that are used to solve everyday problems in everyday lives. Animals, especially a bird with a brain the size of a pea, does not possess that trait. That's all I have to say about that and you have a great day as well.
Its interesting that most people on here are talking about whether they eat meat or not. What about the "straight-edge" part of the topic? Drugs? alcohol? I wanna hear more confessions or proud declarations/ boasting(s) of abstinence!!
better argument than vitamins: bacon. nuff said. XD No but seriously I respect anyone who lives a veggie sxe life, and I demand the same respect back. Like Ian seems to get it.
You should seriously ask yourself though: what about the animals you're consuming? Don't they deserve respect? You treating them like garbage for your palate pleasure is not a good reason to eat them.
This whole idea of I won't judge you if you don't judge me doesn't hold up when your diet is responsible for some terrible stuff. I'm not saying I judge you, as a vegan, but you can't act like it's the same thing. It's like saying, "I like to murder people, you choose not to murder people. I don't judge you, I demand the same respect."
I don't think he was talking about price when he said convenience . He's saying how lazy people are and the fact that most people don't give a shit about what they put into their bodies. Being A vegan isn't that expensive. You can waste a lot of money on meat too.
asiankaos88 Well is either way hard to be a vegetarian or a vegan at mcdonalds. But as a vegetarian/vegan, why would you buy your salads from mcdonalds anyway??
Meat tastes good yo. And it is convenient like he said. I'm a recovering drug addict and I've gotta say, it's easy to be straight edge if you've never been a user. Once you're a user... It's not all that easy to just not use.
I can agree with you that once youve been through addiction it's hard to not use. I believe that it never leaves you. Nothing can be replaced. If I don't drink myself to death or worse (there is almost nothing I haven't used), I know that it will stay with me, that hunger. Stay strong, friend. It ain't easy. Much easier to quit meat then, say, cigarettes
@NotNamedJones Uh...not really? I at meat my whole life and recently became a vegetarian, and the quality of my life hasn't gone down because I can't eat a greasy cheeseburger or a steak. Because I can enjoy a greasy veggie burger (seriously...Boca burgers can get greasy as fuck, it's crazy). And I've always liked asian food more than steak anyway, and there are plenty of delicious options for me there. And I lost 80 pounds. So...maybe you're right. I don't see that point. I don't miss steak.
I want to do drugs because it helps me live better, I'm also vegan, but I don't think everyone has to be vegan and I don't think everyone has to do drugs.
@207LAB I was just saying hamburger and steak because those were the two foods the person I was arguing with mentioned in his initial comment. I don't target any meats, because I'm not against the consumption of meat, I simply choose not to. Nothing ethical to it.
@@bigcheese2128 Keith Moons my idol, dude. You can have those extra years. Travel. Learn. I love minor threat but they’re uptight. Love free and eat, fight and fuck. It’ll do you well.
the difference between our ancestors and modern humanity is that our ancestors had to hunt for their food. They had to earn the meals they wanted. Now, there exists alternatives which are healthier for modern lifestyles of people like you who sit on a chair behind a computer all day, not really exerting much energy into a fulfilling life. That's why vegetarianism works, because it is healthier for modern trends.
Agreed, though, at least speaking for myself, I'll say that the vegetarian lifestyle choice goes beyond what's healthy for the self and considers other living beings and (pardon if it sounds messianic or grandiose) the Earth at large. Large scale animal agriculture is a major ethical and environmental concern for many of us.
But if meat is produced in a sustainable, organic, and small-scale manner, there turn out to be zero problems whatsoever. For all of human history we've been eating grass-fed organic beef, for example. The problem is not with the beef. The problem is with the feed lots - the cows are kept in tight quarters, they can't eat grass so they get fed GMO grains, which gives them health issues, so they get injected with drugs and hormones... it's disgusting. But eating meat that was raised normally and humanely is great, and I would even say necessary for mental and physical health. I eat meat, but I will only eat it if it is clean - grass-fed, wild caught, organic, free-range, etc. The problems with the meat industry today are enormous, and people see that, and react against it by going vegetarian, but they don't understand the issue, I think. There were no feed-lots and synthetic rBGH and so on 1000 years ago, and there was little to no obesity, heart disease, autism, cancer, depression, OCD, etc. The problem is the drugs and the abuse of the animals, and when you remove these two things, there is nothing wrong with eating meat at all. Unless you think that killing a cow to eat it is wrong, in which case, that's a whole separate issue.
Depends. My sister doesn't eat meat cuz the pain to the animals. A dear friend cannot eat pork because once her dad pulled over so she could pee on the side of the road as a little girl and it was near a pig slaughterhouse and she said they sounded like human screams. Regardless of your personal reasons or what you think the reasons SHOULD be, people have all sorts of different reasons for not eating meat
Oh Ian, there's a lot of things I don't want to be present for atm. But Ian is a man who's gonna be doing a lot of backpedaling before his life is through.
@@jekylwhispy Okay, well how you feel isn't really my business. I'll elaborate by saying I believe the position he's taking is one of confusion. I agree with Mckaye on countless issues but veganism which he chooses and is free to do so. However, I do believe the choice itself is one that could only be given by convenience and not the other way around. Abundance and choice of goods in the modern world afford you the luxury to be vegan as most cultures prove and the antithetical movement to be anti-meat only stems from prosperous societies.
Being a vegetarian isn't too difficult. Not eating meat isn't a matter of "not being able to give it up" so much as, do you genuinely want to give it up. I've done it before for a while. It's doable, despite sometimes getting questioned about it. Meat tastes good, we all know it does. And so we've got to simply decide between hedonism or some sense of taking care of animals more. But all these morals are so relative, so subjective, we decide to just keep eating meat. Simple.
I went vegan a couple of months ago. It wasn't difficult at all. I just had to make a few adjustments to my shopping list and; viola! Tasty food without any nagging guilt. The amount of interesting and tasty plants at our disposal is astounding. I can look any animal in the eye now, with the assertion of being a genuine friend. My life is better now, and that includes the life of others. I'm an ageing Punk/Mod/Skinhead thing, and I still don't fit in, but in nature I now have my place: as a friend. I no longer contribute to the suffering of the voiceless, and just little old me has made a difference in the world for that. Meat Is Murder.
A video where he clearly and specifically says he doesn’t care or think you are stupid if you eat meat and its not for him to judge what other people do sure has triggered a load of comments by people saying the like eating meat - okaaay carry on then nobody’s telling you not to 🤷Ian is cool, he is actually a person who stops and thinks and doesn’t just wait to get told what to do. Yeah, the only people who tell me vegetarians don’t get the right vitamins have been fat out of shape dude -one was even smoking a cigarette 😂😂! The thing is he’s not even telling people what to do and the decisions he’s made for himself - he’s just answering the questions. He really does not give a f**k what you do or don’t do, in fact his whole ethos is about making your own decisions and finding out for yourself not just blindly following along and believing everything
Agree. Don't FORCE animals to be tortured and killed because you like the taste of it's corpse: it's ass, it's rib cage, it's intestinal tract, etc. They are innocent creatures, and other things taste as good or better. Show mercy and let them live just like me and you...
What are you talking about? some things are necessary, but again, he probably makes a hell of lot more life alteration than most of us, are you so mad because he's not perfect but has some good qualities? Plus, When playing in Fugazi he would refuse to play venues that would raise prices over 5 dollars, selling records he used to write on them "Do not pay more than $7 for this record" if there was anyone who cared more about the audience's well being it's him, Fugazi only played benefit shows.
@NotNamedJones No. I know other people would have different reactions or feelings on being vegetarian. Can I ask how "how much of life is compromised if you can't eat a good steak every once in a while, or eat a greasy hamburger? thats the point that vegetarians miss completely" isn't advertising your viewpoints or personal experience as speaking for the entire mass of people who don't eat meat? I won't use illogical insults, I'll just call you a hypocrite.
Pink avoid animal abuse - avoid environmental destruction - great chance at avoiding leading diseases- foods delicious - your soul feels better to live in alignment with your heart .
In any case, saying this is merely an admission that you don't care about anyone or anything else than yourself. The most important thing to you is how something tastes in your own single mouth? Fuck you
Honestly - as a meat eater and hunter - and lover of Ian as a DC native and punk - The real answer is vegetarian + insect protein. The meat industry is gross, and it's the main reason I hunt for myself. You can get more viable animal protein per sq yard from crickets than pigs. By a WIDE margin. Humans are omnivarous, and require certain amino acids and vitamins (I know he made a joke about this) its more efficient to get them direct than from supplements - which who knows their providence.
One reason you shouldn’t be a vegetarian: meat is unparalleled source of protein that your body needs to sustain itself throughout the longevity of your life. You’re weaker without it, no doubt. Also his claim about poisoning yourself and not being present as a result of drinking alcohol is absolutely false. Beer and wine specifically are packed with b vitamins and collagen. These vitamins are great for your heart, red blood cells, skin, and hair. The problem is a lack of balance particularly in western society because diet has been used as a weapon against the people. However, abstaining completely from these things does not make you healthier. You need to be aware of what type of animal and alcohol products you’re consuming, but these foods have millenniums of human sustenance attached to them.
Why don’t you make a video about this then? Instead of making comments on a video that clearly states he doesn’t care if you eat meat or not, he’s talking about his own decisions for himself - he’s not telling everyone not to eat meat - he specifically says that.
No. Spices are a great addition but all meat has an inherent taste known as umami that certain parts of the tongue are specifically designed to appreciate.
ah hah...see kids who are "straight edge" now because its trendy (and let's face it, a majority are) should listen to this guy...almost every straight edge kid you run into now judges everyone around them
I don't care if people are vegetarian or not, but is he saying that nobody ever gave him the argument from anatomy? We evolved as omnivores. Just look at our dental structure. We can now get all nutritional needs from other sources, but our bodies evolved to consume meat.
One reason I'm not a vegetarian is because there's nothing in the world that tastes better than a half raw, juicy steak, or pork roasted with cheese, mushrooms and potatoes. That reason outweighs all the pros.
Ian, what's poisoning about eating well cooked Chicken? I ate a chicken one time and i was only in hospital for 5 days. so lets set the record straight. It's so easy to be a Vege, but it takes a real man to be a meat eater.
@Pilaf1984 you're right about factory farming but why not mention the effects it has on people? you can say we have a choice not to eat it but for some of us we don't. unfortunately in this country people have to feed their kids what they can afford to. and most people aren't aware of the conditions their meat is under before it gets to them, or before its even slaughtered. if more people knew about that stuff more people would probably make vegetarian choices.
Every time he opens his mouth I just want to give him a huge hug.
I think he'd get annoyed with you pretty quick
seems like such a ferociously intelligent person
Not really, he just has common sense.
And loaded, rich punkers. This guy's net worth is 25 million dollars and his macho buddy Henry Garfield (Rollins) is worth at least 12 million. It's only their dumbass fans that eat tuna fish and dried ramen noodles.
that is bullshit. and even if Ian Mackaye had that much money, he's literally operated his businesses in the least exploitive way - so good for him. Plus I would imagine Henry Rollins has more money than Ian Mackaye, he does spoken word tours pretty often, acts, etc. Also, fuck off, your last sentence has nothing to do with anything
Well maybe he is in some ways but this isn't a good example because obviously he's wrong about vegetarianism.
Wow some of you really suck on the subject of consuming animal flesh.
man he just convinced me in like 7 seconds. You can't argue with that. Ian's the man
im not straightedge but this dude has a point, i dont give a fuck about vitamins until a vegetarian questions me
I am an adult punker that grew up listening to Fugazi. I am 35 now, i was a little too young to know Minor Threat in the 80s. My wife is a vegetarian. I never paid much attention to my health until i met my wife. I use to think i wasn't eating so bad but compared to what i eat today, thanks to my wife's guidance, it's totally different. I'm still not a vegetarian but i sure as hell eat ALOT more fruits and vegetables then i used to !
Yes. It is convenience. People are set in their habits and not going to go out of their ways to change when it doesn't present "immediate" danger in their life. Plus some selfishness.
@Mayan Ruins actually, plants take longer to digest in your body. A little bit of energy is taken out over time as opposed to meat which is metabolized very quickly. Although we are omnivores, the length of our digestive tract is closer to that of an herbivore than a carnivore. What you say about staying full, that's one of several places here where you are completely wrong. Instead of getting so defensive about your CHOICE to consume animals, maybe educate yourself first. Please.
And I may be eating meat again for now, but I never found it hard to just stop eating meat. Dude, do you have any idea how many different things there are for human beings to eat on this planet?
Totally agree with him about being in the moment and living, a good role model for rock n roll!
Aint vegetarian but loads of respect to Ian and the way he articulates his views. Being vegetarian is perfectly healthy.
Not as good as vegan though. Best decision I ever made. Would you consider looking into it? The truth may shock you.
@@0mega.mechan1c. of course. Do ya think I'll end up going?
@@theabysshasnogender855 I'm a vegan and a cyclist and after going vegan my performance increased visibly. You should give it a try mate. Why not? Take care!
Vegan ftw
I follow him on a lot of things “like living healthy, staying away from drugs” but these “straight-edge militants” enforcing it on other people is quite literally the least punk thing ever
ahh self destruction.. Is there ever a bigger enemy than that.
Satoshi Katagiri / 片桐 聡 - world destruction
You cannot escape death, friend
I'm not a vegan but I found all his points good and undebatable. If someone asked me why was I not a vegan, I'd probably just say that I like the taste of meat. But really, as Ian made me rethink it, it's just the convinience. Cheap meat products is just what I am mostly forced(?) to consume because I am not a very wealthy person. All of my foods contain the same cheap pork and beef mixture that's much cheaper. Vegetarianism has become such a joke for its fundamentalistic supporters, but he seems like a smart man.
Grow your own food
@Deadlift Brah like ?
No. You eat meat probably only because that's what you were taught and you are too weak to make that change
ian 💜 gem of a human. the integrity is so there.
For anyone wanting to know about Veganism:
For Ethical reasons watch Earthlings, Meet your Meat, From Farm to Fridge, Lucent ,If Slaughterhouses had Glass Walls
For Health reasons watch Forks over Knives, Vegucated, What the Health , Eating You Alive .
For Environmental aspect watch Cowspiracy.
Beautiful interview, well said Ian.
2016 - Although straight edge is not explicitly supportive of vegetarianism, MacKaye has stated that he is a vegetarian because he regards it as a logical progression of his views.[23] He follows a strict vegan diet.[24][25 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_MacKaye
Lol he got references. Check the wikipedia
How to be a vegetarian: Ian MacKaye
How NOT to be a vegetarian: Morrissey
How to not give a fuck: Me
***** Good job not giving a fuck that much that you felt the need to comment on it
***** you should give a fuck, but that was funny
+Graham Kristensen amen :)
Hayden Bray Woah now Ian Makaye is awesome he is always speaking publicly about how skate boarding and music is a good outlet for kids. he fights to get parks for kids who would be on the street.
I take loads of inspiration from the straight edge scene. I'm not alone in this, I know that now but my 20s were full of imagination, rage, hurt and rebellion that was the legacy of my teenage rebellion. All this involved straight edge related things. The environment I grew up in never accepted me as a person: The antithetical side didn't want me because I never got into sex, drugs and alcohol, the sober people didn't want me because I was not Catholic, Conservative or Redneck. I was also a goth, still am lol, which outcasted me for many years and fueled a lot of my behaviours that persisted well into my adult life.
I've found ways to cope and find friends and family who accept me for who I was and how I currently am but that's taken my whole life story to accomplish and be experienced in. Straight Edge stuff has been a major outlet for me for the longest time. It allowed me some peace of mind from the mainly troubled world I experienced growing up. I eat meat but I don't drink, smoke or do drugs and never get into _getting laid_ or other sexual crazies like many others do. This is all personal to me though and has nothing to do with the bulk of my politics.
In the 80s ? 90s ?
@Ritff666l-e9e mid late 2000s to 2010s. I was homeless too between 17 and 20, never got into drugs and alcohol and smoking like how others did. This part of my life kind of made me more clear minded.
Ian Mackaye is the man!!
Was 8 years vegetarian, then 2 1/2 strict vegan, then I caved, don’t eat much meat, but I miss the way I felt ethically and physically. Thanks for this video, time to start racking up karma points, with the world crumbling and all.
Then go back
@@jekylwhispy thanks
Drugs or alcohol is a painkiller for some teenagers and adults.
Some of us did not have the best of circumstances growing up - for example; some people who hurt themselves or kill themself are typically in so much emotional pain they can't stand it. I wanted to end my life, forcing I called the crisis hotline and I was put on path of Rehabilitation.... healing my wounds and getting therapy.
I needed the buzz to help me kill the pain so I didn't kill myself first
I became a vegetarian shortly after reading an interview with Ian / Embrace in Flipside magazine at the end of 1985. I’m still a vegetarian today. No one knows this unless they offer me food with meat in it. Then I tell them I’m a vegetarian and the response is always something positive.
Do you have the interview source?
I don't know why people are so proud of being secret vegetarians. Be proud! Inspire! Educate! You don't have to be an asshole about it, but I don't think it's very productive to protest in silence.
I love how articulate he is compared to his interviews from the 80s.
It's always nice to see new people that just learned how to read.
I've watched this video a thousand times and I could keep watching it, the truth of this fucking dude is amazing! \../
You people killed Jesus
Shit. Gahd I hope you're not Jewish. I know Jesus was a Jew. Please don't take this to a racial place
Haha me too he has very clear thinking
This guy is so fuckin' amazing!
I eat meat but I have so much respect for this guy. I love animals and I hate knowing the fact that when I meat I'm eating an animal that was slaughtered... It hurts but I can't give it up..
I dig what you're saying. I had the same mental dilemma until I changed my thought process and realized, "It's not about ME. It's about other beings. Creatures of all kinds ". I've been vegan even since. It's not about you and what you want. "The animals of the world exists for their own reasons" -Alice Walker.
It's the circle of life. It happens in nature so that includes us. No hate for vegetarians tho
"Circle of life" doesn't apply to factory farming. Only applies if you're willing to hunt your dinner. Calfs born in a box and sent up the slaughter ramp by the millions isn't the "circle of life".
do you feel like youd be missing too much stuff you enjoy
Just keep trying.
You're 100% correct...Thank you for backing me up! sXe!
Proudly 33 years vegan ALF anarchist here. Love Fugazi too. I don't drink or drug either.
❤️ ALF
i'm a drunk vegan and i love this. ian is a solid dude.
pride yourselves on the things you DO, instead of what you dont do.
i love this man
Live for the things you can keep.
lol what things are those? There is no forever
I went through the same thought process, I just thought about what I was eating and what happened to the animals. Vegetarian for 20 years now ;)
life is violent. That doesnt mean you shouldnt reduce the violence within it to a point of reason.
I think we should sure try
I was a vegetarian for 30 years and I got into more arguments defending WHY I became a vegetarian versus arguments that I ever picked for someone being a non-vegetarian. Meat eaters feel guilty and need to fuck with anyone who poses a threat to their way of life. I got into the "you can't get these vitamins" argument from people who were morbidly obese.
...such a Minor Threat
He's right about convenience. I used to be veg, but I just fucking love eating steak and missed it too much.
I'm proud to be a vegetarian watching this. Although i'm no straight edge
And this does not change the fact that Ian has made some badass music and is an immense talent. I just close my ears the moment he gets on his soapbox and starts hectoring us at length about what we choose to do with ourselves.
Seems like everybody look at me, people want to be different but cool and stand for something at the same time
I am the same way with Straight Edge, however, I am a meat eater and live on a farm. I have seen animals butchered and have partaken in animal butchering, mainly chickens. It was hard to grasp the concept at first but the way the animals were butchered was quick and painless. Coming from a background with knowledge of chickens, some breeds are meant for butcher and meat and if they aren't butchered, they can die by heart attacks or broken joints just by how big they get so sometimes it's best if it is done that way. They were also free ranged for their lives as well. Anyways, I do not judge anyone who is a vegetarian at all or someone who drinks. Being a college student, being straight edge is rather tough because people think that I'm not cool then by not drinking. But by all means, if you want a beer or whatever, have one, but don't be an idiot or be obnoxious, or drive drunk. Just have common sense. Great words Ian!
Oh so just cuz you've seen chickens be murdered and tortured that makes it ok? Would it be ok to murder you, just as long as it was quick and painless? Your logic is unfounded and lacks substance. Educate yourself more on what the meat dairy and egg industries are doing to the planet and to human health. Earthlings and cowspiracy... After you watch those documentaries then you might have true compassion and understanding. I swear to you I'm not a troll and not saying this to be an asshole or something. I'm challenging you, and anyone else who reads this, to delve deep into the systematic rape, torture and murder of billions of sentient beings per year. Thank you and have a great day
+bigscreen bird first off is that what we do is not torture. At least how I raise them. I do understand that several industrial farms treat their animals extremely poorly. However, the last time I checked they have plenty of land to roam. Plenty of food to eat and water to drink and when it comes time for processing, it is a very simple systematic approach that is done with in seconds. If we were to not eat animals in general, the earth would be over populated. And for the human comment, yes it is different killing off a human. Humans have skills that are used to solve everyday problems in everyday lives. Animals, especially a bird with a brain the size of a pea, does not possess that trait. That's all I have to say about that and you have a great day as well.
+bigscreen bird
He's a sapient creature you fucking sociopath. Cows, chickens, etc. are not.
Its interesting that most people on here are talking about whether they eat meat or not. What about the "straight-edge" part of the topic? Drugs? alcohol? I wanna hear more confessions or proud declarations/ boasting(s) of abstinence!!
When I'm broke I don't drink. Does that count? I'm broke a lot...
better argument than vitamins: bacon. nuff said. XD No but seriously I respect anyone who lives a veggie sxe life, and I demand the same respect back. Like Ian seems to get it.
You should seriously ask yourself though: what about the animals you're consuming? Don't they deserve respect? You treating them like garbage for your palate pleasure is not a good reason to eat them.
Whatever bacon isn't THAT good
This whole idea of I won't judge you if you don't judge me doesn't hold up when your diet is responsible for some terrible stuff. I'm not saying I judge you, as a vegan, but you can't act like it's the same thing. It's like saying, "I like to murder people, you choose not to murder people. I don't judge you, I demand the same respect."
Hes 100% right... Im straight edge but not personally a vegetarian, but if you wanna be a vegatarian thats fine!
I'm not vegetarian because of sushi.
Convenience he is so right. It is so much more expensive to be a vegan than a meat eater. Big Mac 99 cents salad 5 dollars.
Not if you buy you're own food man, it's like anything else, you just gotta go digging a little to find the deals
I don't think he was talking about price when he said convenience . He's saying how lazy people are and the fact that most people don't give a shit about what they put into their bodies. Being A vegan isn't that expensive. You can waste a lot of money on meat too.
asiankaos88 You mean vegetarian
***** No I meant vegan.
asiankaos88 Well is either way hard to be a vegetarian or a vegan at mcdonalds. But as a vegetarian/vegan, why would you buy your salads from mcdonalds anyway??
I'm not straight edge, and I eat mean (although nothing wild caught) but I kinda like hearing MaKaye speak.
Stop thinking conveniently and go vegan already
@SuperHaitiano I'll give ya 5 bucks!
Meat tastes good yo. And it is convenient like he said. I'm a recovering drug addict and I've gotta say, it's easy to be straight edge if you've never been a user. Once you're a user... It's not all that easy to just not use.
I can agree with you that once youve been through addiction it's hard to not use. I believe that it never leaves you. Nothing can be replaced. If I don't drink myself to death or worse (there is almost nothing I haven't used), I know that it will stay with me, that hunger. Stay strong, friend. It ain't easy. Much easier to quit meat then, say, cigarettes
1:01 I am not a straight edge nor vegan, but this is true and it made me lol
@NotNamedJones
Uh...not really? I at meat my whole life and recently became a vegetarian, and the quality of my life hasn't gone down because I can't eat a greasy cheeseburger or a steak. Because I can enjoy a greasy veggie burger (seriously...Boca burgers can get greasy as fuck, it's crazy). And I've always liked asian food more than steak anyway, and there are plenty of delicious options for me there. And I lost 80 pounds. So...maybe you're right. I don't see that point. I don't miss steak.
I want to do drugs because it helps me live better, I'm also vegan, but I don't think everyone has to be vegan and I don't think everyone has to do drugs.
@207LAB I was just saying hamburger and steak because those were the two foods the person I was arguing with mentioned in his initial comment. I don't target any meats, because I'm not against the consumption of meat, I simply choose not to. Nothing ethical to it.
Beer and steak are the best things to put in my body.
Say that again when you’re 50 and die of a heart attack lol
@@bigcheese2128 Keith Moons my idol, dude.
You can have those extra years.
Travel.
Learn.
I love minor threat but they’re uptight.
Love free and eat, fight and fuck. It’ll do you well.
@@bobfort8023 what are you 14
you ever heard of a CABG? I'll be taking care of you with inotropes and CRRT after years of meat and beer. Job security pendejo
Beer and good beef burgers for me
please enlighten us all, oh great and powerful intellectual that you are.
Maybe you're just mad cuz your opinions suck and your mind is weak
the difference between our ancestors and modern humanity is that our ancestors had to hunt for their food. They had to earn the meals they wanted. Now, there exists alternatives which are healthier for modern lifestyles of people like you who sit on a chair behind a computer all day, not really exerting much energy into a fulfilling life. That's why vegetarianism works, because it is healthier for modern trends.
damn straight.
This guy is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed, though, at least speaking for myself, I'll say that the vegetarian lifestyle choice goes beyond what's healthy for the self and considers other living beings and (pardon if it sounds messianic or grandiose) the Earth at large. Large scale animal agriculture is a major ethical and environmental concern for many of us.
But if meat is produced in a sustainable, organic, and small-scale manner, there turn out to be zero problems whatsoever. For all of human history we've been eating grass-fed organic beef, for example. The problem is not with the beef. The problem is with the feed lots - the cows are kept in tight quarters, they can't eat grass so they get fed GMO grains, which gives them health issues, so they get injected with drugs and hormones... it's disgusting. But eating meat that was raised normally and humanely is great, and I would even say necessary for mental and physical health. I eat meat, but I will only eat it if it is clean - grass-fed, wild caught, organic, free-range, etc. The problems with the meat industry today are enormous, and people see that, and react against it by going vegetarian, but they don't understand the issue, I think. There were no feed-lots and synthetic rBGH and so on 1000 years ago, and there was little to no obesity, heart disease, autism, cancer, depression, OCD, etc. The problem is the drugs and the abuse of the animals, and when you remove these two things, there is nothing wrong with eating meat at all. Unless you think that killing a cow to eat it is wrong, in which case, that's a whole separate issue.
Depends. My sister doesn't eat meat cuz the pain to the animals. A dear friend cannot eat pork because once her dad pulled over so she could pee on the side of the road as a little girl and it was near a pig slaughterhouse and she said they sounded like human screams. Regardless of your personal reasons or what you think the reasons SHOULD be, people have all sorts of different reasons for not eating meat
Oh you said speaking for yourself. Ok. Well anyway I shared a thing
Oh Ian, there's a lot of things I don't want to be present for atm. But Ian is a man who's gonna be doing a lot of backpedaling before his life is through.
Jesus. I doubt that very much
Mm I feel that maybe what you've said here is very mean-spirited. Why can't you just support him and what for him he thinks is right?
@@jekylwhispy Okay, well how you feel isn't really my business. I'll elaborate by saying I believe the position he's taking is one of confusion. I agree with Mckaye on countless issues but veganism which he chooses and is free to do so. However, I do believe the choice itself is one that could only be given by convenience and not the other way around. Abundance and choice of goods in the modern world afford you the luxury to be vegan as most cultures prove and the antithetical movement to be anti-meat only stems from prosperous societies.
You're too lazy to even spell his name right even though it's right there. You don't respect shit
I'm Edge and also happen to be a vegetarian, cool!
Confusion once again has fallen in the golden streets of modern Babylon!
Being a vegetarian isn't too difficult. Not eating meat isn't a matter of "not being able to give it up" so much as, do you genuinely want to give it up. I've done it before for a while. It's doable, despite sometimes getting questioned about it.
Meat tastes good, we all know it does. And so we've got to simply decide between hedonism or some sense of taking care of animals more. But all these morals are so relative, so subjective, we decide to just keep eating meat. Simple.
im a 15 year old sXe but im not a vegetarian. does that still make me straight edge?
Most people aren't vegetarian because of deliciousness.
Most mammals aren't vegatarian because they aren't.
Most mammals are herbivores. Read some books.
You mean laziness. Vegan or veggie food is just as nice...
Definitely more so to do with laziness and close mindedness.
I went vegan a couple of months ago. It wasn't difficult at all. I just had to make a few adjustments to my shopping list and; viola! Tasty food without any nagging guilt. The amount of interesting and tasty plants at our disposal is astounding. I can look any animal in the eye now, with the assertion of being a genuine friend. My life is better now, and that includes the life of others. I'm an ageing Punk/Mod/Skinhead thing, and I still don't fit in, but in nature I now have my place: as a friend. I no longer contribute to the suffering of the voiceless, and just little old me has made a difference in the world for that. Meat Is Murder.
Is Telepathy( A 1) children stuff while someone is amputating your hands (A 2)?
A video where he clearly and specifically says he doesn’t care or think you are stupid if you eat meat and its not for him to judge what other people do sure has triggered a load of comments by people saying the like eating meat - okaaay carry on then nobody’s telling you not to 🤷Ian is cool, he is actually a person who stops and thinks and doesn’t just wait to get told what to do. Yeah, the only people who tell me vegetarians don’t get the right vitamins have been fat out of shape dude -one was even smoking a cigarette 😂😂! The thing is he’s not even telling people what to do and the decisions he’s made for himself - he’s just answering the questions. He really does not give a f**k what you do or don’t do, in fact his whole ethos is about making your own decisions and finding out for yourself not just blindly following along and believing everything
Truest shit ever.
I luv this man XD
the reason people are not vegetarians is because meat tastes amazing.
Fugazi back in ‘79 was probably the best concert I’ve ever seen
I am pretty sure you mean 89?
You may have hit the wrong key.
@@AgentXPQ ‘79 with the dead boys in NYC
Fugazi wasn’t started until the late late 80s
i should be concerned with what i do.
this sentiment has been entirely lost for the last 30 years
omg he's so fucking smart jesus christ
I became vegetarian because cows have best friends, pigs are smart, and chickens are cute. Fish…they basically plants
He needs to get more informed on the topic.
Sorry can you talk more quietly? I don't speak fart
@NotNamedJones
Oh, Morrissey? Sorry, I got confused. I thought you meant the guy in The Smiths.
Oh, wait...
Why do people say they are "straightedge", if someone asks if you smoke or drink, just say no...no need to put a label on it.
why not just say yes and be honest and willing to expose that you have no fear?
Being a vegetarian is just like supporting the meat industry. Dairy is just bad meat. Veganism is the way to go. Forreal.
I dunno it's a hell of a lot more convenient to hit up the produce section than the overly crowded (heh heh) meat aisle but maybe that's just me ;)
Lol! Right on, dude. I mf love the produce section
That's it. Don't force your beliefs or way of life are on the others.
Just do you....
Agree. Don't FORCE animals to be tortured and killed because you like the taste of it's corpse: it's ass, it's rib cage, it's intestinal tract, etc. They are innocent creatures, and other things taste as good or better. Show mercy and let them live just like me and you...
@@0mega.mechan1c. th-cam.com/video/14L9zvjVRmA/w-d-xo.html check this one out dude
Damn someone with common sense you don't hear that nowadays
What are you talking about? some things are necessary, but again, he probably makes a hell of lot more life alteration than most of us, are you so mad because he's not perfect but has some good qualities? Plus, When playing in Fugazi he would refuse to play venues that would raise prices over 5 dollars, selling records he used to write on them "Do not pay more than $7 for this record" if there was anyone who cared more about the audience's well being it's him, Fugazi only played benefit shows.
@NotNamedJones
No. I know other people would have different reactions or feelings on being vegetarian. Can I ask how "how much of life is compromised if you can't eat a good steak every once in a while, or eat a greasy hamburger? thats the point that vegetarians miss completely" isn't advertising your viewpoints or personal experience as speaking for the entire mass of people who don't eat meat? I won't use illogical insults, I'll just call you a hypocrite.
I kind of wish he'd given his "ten reasons to be a vegetarian".
Pink avoid animal abuse - avoid environmental destruction - great chance at avoiding leading diseases- foods delicious - your soul feels better to live in alignment with your heart .
Ask any vegan you know
Does his cup have a broken handle?
Yes!
The reason that I'm not a vegetarian is that meat is delicious. Simple as that.
Heroin is fantastic too apparently.
Boring. Ten other people have said this exact thing. Pretty sure cuz you guys saw it on a tee shirt in a Spencer's gift shop once
In any case, saying this is merely an admission that you don't care about anyone or anything else than yourself. The most important thing to you is how something tastes in your own single mouth? Fuck you
Honestly - as a meat eater and hunter - and lover of Ian as a DC native and punk - The real answer is vegetarian + insect protein. The meat industry is gross, and it's the main reason I hunt for myself. You can get more viable animal protein per sq yard from crickets than pigs. By a WIDE margin. Humans are omnivarous, and require certain amino acids and vitamins (I know he made a joke about this) its more efficient to get them direct than from supplements - which who knows their providence.
For sure we should eat more bugs. I have trouble with it. I'm working on it..
I fucking love this!
One reason you shouldn’t be a vegetarian: meat is unparalleled source of protein that your body needs to sustain itself throughout the longevity of your life. You’re weaker without it, no doubt. Also his claim about poisoning yourself and not being present as a result of drinking alcohol is absolutely false. Beer and wine specifically are packed with b vitamins and collagen. These vitamins are great for your heart, red blood cells, skin, and hair. The problem is a lack of balance particularly in western society because diet has been used as a weapon against the people. However, abstaining completely from these things does not make you healthier. You need to be aware of what type of animal and alcohol products you’re consuming, but these foods have millenniums of human sustenance attached to them.
Why don’t you make a video about this then? Instead of making comments on a video that clearly states he doesn’t care if you eat meat or not, he’s talking about his own decisions for himself - he’s not telling everyone not to eat meat - he specifically says that.
No. Spices are a great addition but all meat has an inherent taste known as umami that certain parts of the tongue are specifically designed to appreciate.
Except that the food with the highest degree of umami is mushrooms
I think i found a new role model
Seems to me a good one
Know any Straight Edgers who are?
ah hah...see kids who are "straight edge" now because its trendy (and let's face it, a majority are) should listen to this guy...almost every straight edge kid you run into now judges everyone around them
I don't care if people are vegetarian or not, but is he saying that nobody ever gave him the argument from anatomy? We evolved as omnivores. Just look at our dental structure. We can now get all nutritional needs from other sources, but our bodies evolved to consume meat.
ian speaks the fucking truth
One reason I'm not a vegetarian is because there's nothing in the world that tastes better than a half raw, juicy steak, or pork roasted with cheese, mushrooms and potatoes. That reason outweighs all the pros.
Ian, what's poisoning about eating well cooked Chicken?
I ate a chicken one time and i was only in hospital for 5 days. so lets set the record straight.
It's so easy to be a Vege, but it takes a real man to be a meat eater.
+iadorelife lol
Agree.
@Pilaf1984 you're right about factory farming but why not mention the effects it has on people? you can say we have a choice not to eat it but for some of us we don't. unfortunately in this country people have to feed their kids what they can afford to. and most people aren't aware of the conditions their meat is under before it gets to them, or before its even slaughtered. if more people knew about that stuff more people would probably make vegetarian choices.