What It Really Takes To Save the Planet
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In this Our Changing Climate climate change video essay, I look at what it really takes to save the planet. Specifically, I look at the role of fossil fuel infrastructure sabotage in the climate movement. I weigh whether property destruction and sabotage are useful strategies for the broader climate action movement. The video lends some historical context to a possible climate sabotage wing and examines the radical flank effect.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:55 - What Is Violence?
8:21 - The Radical Flank
11:38 - The Backlash
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I heard of a college professor in California who intentionally started a forest fire to "prove" Climate Change.
I hope you also make a video exploring mutual solutions as these are the most sustainable. Sabotage gives fossil fuel companies a great deal of sympathy and arms them with greater resources including legal and financial support from governments and institutions. And as ‘victims’ of sabotage they can easily excuse their efforts of generating capital in a capitalist economy via fossil fuels as being morally defensible and then use right wing media to target protesters as harming them and the communities the business ‘wishes to support with jobs and infrastructure’.
Compare this to a mutual solution such as incentivising better practices or helping greener power generative companies capture a larger market share and disincentivise fossil fuels. These actions within the capitalist system ensure the government is in the protester’s side. Admittedly the fossil fuel projects will continue to get made - perhaps information campaigns to reveal the crimes and coverups of individuals working for fossil fuel companies will be the best deterrent for fossil fuel projects as that can tank their stock prices and halt their production if the information campaigns ensure they loose customers and government favour. These actions, mutual solutions (or disincentives) only need a handful of skilled relationship builders, policy makers and marketers to work on. If only there was such a team and they could hone these skills, because the alternative of sabotage only denigrates and villainises legitimate protesters.
@@MusicthroughDHD The problem is, "green" energy cannot provide enough power.
And just to emphasise this point, Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela both were so successful because they openly disparaged violence (privately is another matter). And then their solutions required cooperation with the perpetrators of violence against them and their people. Compare this to the efforts of Malcom X and Che Guevara who undoubtedly are inspiring but whose solutions were villainised and resisted by the majority of people who saw their endorsing of violence to be unacceptable.
If we want true change we don’t have to play by the rules of the ruling class, but we do have to be more cunning, more careful and far more sophisticated then the direct destruction of public-facing assets.
Private, discrete and subtle sabotage will go unnoticed and can make the fossil fuel companies look incompetent rather than the victim of a clearly publicly destructive movement.
I think that Innuendo Studios put it best: the Ghandhi trap is now obsolete. Believing in it has now become a trap for *us*. Violence will happen in any protest the state wants it to happen in, and no matter who starts it, the press will always say protestors started it. There will always be conspiracy theorists claiming failures of infrastructure are a leftist plot. If we openly shoot cops who show up at our protests, we’ll get basically the same coverage as a peaceful BLM protest disrupted with police violence anyway. It no longer matters how violent we aren’t, thus violence up to a certain point doesn’t matter anymore besides hurting individuals and profit margins.
Excellent video. It brings to mind the words of a certain Cuban revolutionary: "Revolutionaries didn't choose armed struggle as the best path, it's the path the oppressors imposed on the people. And so the people only have two choices: to suffer, or to fight."
And I’m about done suffering
Hi JT
What utter trash.
Good to see you here Chief - fan of your work.
Yo it's the big guy himself. How u doing JT?? Still in East Palestine??
Violence against someone that is trying to destroy you
Yes it's called self-defense.
The worst thing that could happen is that the government doesn't take this as a reason to fight oil companies but a reason to defend oil companies from the people.
We've already seen people be arrested and have more legal action be able to be taken against protesters because of this.
@@matthewboyd8689 governments have been defending oil companies from the people and accountability for decades... and backlash and hard clampdowns will effectively increase support for the movement
That's not what is happening.
They aren't deliberately harming the environment...
It's just what happens with society being this size.
But we don't stop it through violence.
That will only make things worse.
@@MattAngiono oh, all these profit based industries which have shaped and continue to shape said society to center around their industries are just harming it on accident then? They just don’t know and need to be politely informed? Oh, i guess we can boycott them, that sure seems to work.
@@moonlightning8269 there are answers other than violence.
Most of them are not nefarious.
Some are, certainly.
The people who pushed the covid narrative often fall into that camp.
The people who demonized anyone questioning the vax certainly seemed to think harm was justified.
We've lost our way as a species.
Our existence results in harm, no matter who we are.
Some try to minimize it, by thinking about our actions and adjusting to reduce the impact, for example by becoming vegan...
Some choose professions that can help others.
But we all exist as part of a machine that inadvertently has killed much life and enslaved even more.
We can't even use these devices without some trace amount of harm caused in their production.
We all have some accountability in this
Yesterday, the BBC declared that it will not screen a particular episode of Sir David Attenborough's new series that looks into the situation confronted by our environment. The BBC says it made this decision because they 'fear' a right wing backlash against Sir David's deep concerns regarding climate change.
When an institution that doesn't mind rocking the boat from time to time is perfectly willing to 'gag' one of the world's most respected, well-informed, experienced and beloved supporters of the environment for a belief in something that may or may not upset an uneducated minority - you know that lesser-known people in society are not going to get much further.
yeah well anthropological climate change got disproved several decades ago but the carbon credits scam make the government a lot of money, so the propaganda doesn't stop... parameterizing models is not science, it's pathological science.
David Attenborough wants climate genocide. He believes the world is overpopulated. This is fascist thought from Attenborough
CC is a left-wing control program. Nothing more.
Right-wingers are the real snowflakes...but unfortunately they are the ones willing to take up violent pushback when their feelings get hurt by reality and cold hard facts.
There's people attack by and fear libs too. Such as being doxxed, fired, bullied, or assaulted. The BBC pushes lib too.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.”
― Edward Abbey
I think we are growing because we have the potential to grow and countries would feel unsatisfied with being just that when they feel like they can be more. It's like someone with a really high IQ not doing something and acts the same as everyone else.
Growth is the precondition and result of literally anything that helps other people prosper, overcome their problems and explore the world.
@@MrCmon113 very true. I think if degrowth happens, it will be in a wave. Degrowth Growth Degrowth Growth until humanity ends.
@@ItIsTheLordWhoKeepsme ends??
@@jamesmedina2062 Humans will go extint some day. I think like 2000 years from now
Radical Flank Effect is an extremely useful vocab word. It's amazing how much legitimacy an idea gets just by having a term attached to it.
An applicable term indeed.
A dictionary of all subjects.
It's also a good name for a band. 😂
And the inverse, such as wreaked upon woke.
But the government apparently had a hand in the assassination of Malcolm X, definitely wiped out the Black Panthers (murdering some of them in their sleep), and the anti-discrmination laws were not only free (because they didn't seek to remedy or mitigate the effects of past and ongoing systemic mistreatment) - they helped capitalists to exploit more labor and more consumers. Telling capitalists that they can't make money from activities, that will harm other people and other species they don't care about, is very different. They're not going to choose that option over just using governments to wipe out radical activists and jailing, fining, and using corporate media and politicians to discredit and drown out other activists.
Finally a serious video. - A protest is only useful if it's able to frustrate the aims of groups in power.
Your LGBTQUIA religion is now in power though. So now what?
What about middle (lower middle) and working class folks that struggle due to the fact that everybody wants change, but nobody is able to come up with a strategy that won't make the poor and vulnerable suffer even more. Or is that a sacrifice we are willing to make? ...
@@tcioaca apparently they ARE willing to make that sacrifice...
This isn't based in protecting people or a good understanding of the science around climate.
It will make things WORSE via losing the global dimming
Also not spending money on a company.
If everyone collectively did not spend money on a company for a week. It would hurt them immensely. So badly, they would throw deals at people too good to pass up.
@Service Not Found conscious capitalism is still capitalism and can't fix this...
It can help in small bits, but the system is broken on many deeper levels.
Just giving money to different people, or saving it, won't stop the predicament.
The planet would continue to warm if there were NO more carbon put out, and in fact, it will actually warm faster.
The real solutions can't involve reducing fossil fuels until we fix the albedo effect first
Extremely brave topic to cover. I appreciate your candidness and coverage of a variety of different viewpoints that mainstream sources refuse to cover
yeah, I love what he has to say about everything but veganism. seems like he's still got some cognitive dissonance there
Bravery doesn't make it right!
This will not only result in people ruining their lives, it will result in harm to others, harm to the environment and backlash that's exactly what the power structures want.
Reducing emissions doesn't fix climate change.
That's obvious if you look at global dimming processes.
This will only make things way worse
@@devvyas6751 agree about veganism, but not about more violence suggested by this channel.
His understand of climate science is quite poor and this actually hurts us more.
MEER Reflection Project is what he should be investigating and pushing, but he's never even acknowledged it.
I've suggested it multiple times, and yet he's still going on about reducing emissions, not knowing this ACCELERATES the warming
@@MattAngionoYou know that even MEER understands that reducing emissions and using decarbonized energy sources are critical to climate action, right? They literally say as much in their 6th FAQ. The emphasis on solar reflection over immediate emission reduction is only understandable when considering the _lack of CO2 removal._ We not only need emission reduction, we need _negative emissions._ In other words, ways to pull more excess CO2 from the environment than it receives. (Of course, zero emissions put out is ideal, but the point stands either way.)
And not only that, they even call for a “cooperative, life-enhancing civilization”, which sounds great, but really they should suggest socialism. Let’s be explicit here. Capitalism and the ruling bourgeois class are what got us in this trouble. Instead, they say its “human ignorance, arrogance, selfishness and short-term thinking” as the culprit. (18th FAQ)
Zero class analysis, and the liberal tendency to blame the majority of people isn’t helpful.
They also say the “corruptive influences of politics and power” (15th FAQ) on the IPCC are also to blame, and while they’re onto something (I’ve heard that Brazilian meat lobbyists encouraged the removal of the reduction of meat consumption from reports for obvious reasons), _they still avoid calling out capitalism directly._
Now don’t get me wrong, what MEER is doing is likely a good idea and should probably be a strategy worth implementing. I hope more traction is gained for them. But the politics they suggest are weak.
Yeah, isn't it funny we never seen an in-depth report like this on the mainstream news or tv shows?
Sadly, not strange at all when we know the owners of capital don't want critically thinking, well informed citizens.
Our job is to get the word out to as many people who can absorb it, try to build critical mass so we can fight for our rights to system change!
You just perfectly described the difference between stubborn reformism, blind adventurism, and the construction of a tactically diverse mass movement, unified in its goal. Really appreciate this one!
Literal "word salad". I bet you have some big school loans to pay back!
@@imperialmotoring3789
reformism = seeking reforms instead of more radical action
adventurism = radical action (adventuring) without a larger political base to support it
surprisingly, words have meaning
@@Jako3334074 Antifa = Very fascist.
@@imperialmotoring3789 skill issue, I understood that
@@TheGalaxyWings Takes no skill to be woke. Just needs hatred.
I just finished reading the Ministry for the Future. Interesting story and one thing that stood out to me was the description of the "war for planet Earth". Where people used violence against the people who were committing violence against the Earth. Drone attacks crashing planes, sinking shipping boats, assassinations, hacking and more. But many of the characters focus on legal and policy actions. But they do so with the backdrop of distributed war and climate disasters happening. Which over time push people in power to make real changes. Without that backdrop the changes probably wouldn't have happened. It's an interesting novel and relates to this video.
I listened to it on Audible last May just as the searing two months of high temperatures in India peaked. 😳🔥💀
I think that type of violence is necessary now
You've got to be _really_ careful about optics and fear - otherwise the majority reaction will be to use the same policies and forces targeted at terrorism
That books solutions were very based. Oil conglomerates need to have their board members visited by the mobs.
After reading Ministry for the Future, you should read The Deluge, by Stephen Markley. It’s much darker, much more frightening.
Oh yes! I am delighted someone is with a platform is taking this up!
Capitalism is good and can co-exist with climate goals.
@@theactivecoconut6077 capitalism is how we got here
you ever seen the exxon-mobil climate change study from the 70s? fossil fuel companies know exactly what they're doing
@@Jako3334074 The harm humans do the planet wouldn't be better under a socialist system or whatever other system out there exists (Unless everyone lives like some primitive African tribe in the jungle I guess). The USSR was horrible for the climate for example. And many of the climate solutions today exist because of the funding into research and development made possible by capitalism.
@@theactivecoconut6077 😂 you're joking, right???
@@Jako3334074 technically, there's solutions that can work for various different economic systems. We're just up against folks with their fingers in their ears about climate change refusing to hear anything
OCC really went out and said it
Absolute Chad move. That will get this demonetized.
Said what we all were thinking
@@Praisethesunson make sure to download it. This feels like a video that's gonna be taken down. It's been a whole day though so who knows
@@XBret64but we didn't have the strength to say it 😔
@@hawks9142 has anyone downloaded this video?
I think the bit at the end about trying to create a positive image of the goals is the most important and overlooked part of the video.
I agree!
Violence or vengeance is not positive.
Also you forgot to mention the most horrifying form of violence: soup on painting glass
Horrorable violence...forcing me to listen to Cher and the song' if I could turn back time. ' volume 11.
Horrorable violence...forcing me to listen to Cher and the song' if I could turn back time. ' volume 11.
He did mention it though
This is a very fair and balanced view of using violence in protest/resistance in general, I think. I knew very little about the history of the environmental movement that was gone over in this video, and I really appreciate knowing it now.
I didn’t know about the Suffragettes breaking windows. 😳🤦♀️👍🇺🇸
Good to know but also to learn from their mistakes...
Violence isn't the answer!
Unless you want to end up in jail doing things that actually harm people and the environment
@@MattAngiono tell me you didn’t get the point of the video without getting the point of the video
@@Very_Okay not sure what you mean... but did you get MY point?
in case someone actually missed it, the entire point of the video was that violence COULD be an answer, with the right context and the political movement backing it. And this guy is probably trying to do sarcasm with mentioning violence against "the environment" so they're talking about the fossil capital violence
First we raised our concerns, then our voices, and now our fists.
Lift your top too!
My husband and I went to a Chinese restaurant on my last birthday and this was my fortune: for a good cause, wrongdoing may be virtuous. Who am I to argue with the wisdom of a cookie?
I like that 💪
When the choice is property and profits for the few, or our planet, it’s people, its animals, its life, and its future, there is a clear decision. The United States is spiraling into fascism, and we have to take action. Thank you for making this video. It’s courageous people like you that will start the necessary change.
Well, obviously. Fascism is merely a last grasp of the moneyed elite to maintain their position. By bargaining, and financing, hatred. Their hope is that by financing they'll maintain a position where the law protects them but does not bind, in contrast to us, where the law binds us but offers us no protections.
to the privileged class equality feels like oppression.
@@B_Van_Glorious I completely agree, and the quote you included at the end is one that I adore.
In this clip of AOC, she proves a massive problem. The bourgeoisie is a puppet master behind many politicians, and can much too easily manipulate legislation. Legalized bribery for the rich. Corporations hold too much power in this system, and it obviously only leads to destruction.
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Resorting to violence will make THIS the fascist movement....
The outcome won't be the one you're hoping for
@Matt Angiono violence is inherent in any movement. Did you not watch the video? Fascism will always involve violence due to its nature, but to conflate that and say violence = fascism is dishonest, unhelpful and categorically wrong on every level.
I have to assume you're not yet an adult, as any thinking individual would be hard pressed to believe surviving more than a couple years being unable to understand and navigate the complexities of language, let alone recognize higher strata like nuance and dilemmas.
@@MattAngiono adding onto the point made by @B Van Glorious, if you had watched the video, you would’ve seen how violence was broken down into violence against a person vs violence against property. Again, referencing the video, corporations have been committing violence against the working class for decades. If you think sabotaging corporate property is anywhere near as violent as the destruction of our Earth, and the endless abuse of workers, you should rethink your position.
“You cannot appease fascism by meeting it in the middle.”
- Mehdi Hasan
For anyone considering taking direct destructive action be careful with what one targets and do not harm regular people. Interfering with the power grid will actually make utilities money at the expense of the rate and taxpayer.
This isn't me trying to play devil's advocate or anything but I want to know if you have ideas of what would be a good target? Inevitably, in a system reliant on fossil fuels, creating uncertainty in that market would push up prices for that product, potentially raising the cost of FFs for a while (or until they are phased out), so is it a balance of finding what will be the least worst target?
@@OOL-UV2 Why did you bring up race? People and cops attacked back to caucasian violence protesters too. All through history. No one should be violence or vengeful. Not even caucasians. That was irresponsible and harmful advice you gave to caucasians that will end with people attacking them back if they attack.
I'm skeptical of considering property violence as inherently violent. Like sometimes it is, say if you break a thing as a threat, or maybe if you throw away someone's food, but say, puncturing the tyres of a vehicle is property damage, but it's not threatening anyone with physical harm, especially if that vehicle is owned by a corperation instead of a person.
If it's inanimate, you can't do violence to it. How can a pipeline suffer?
Treating property and person as morally equivalent serves the purposes of the power structures that rule the world. It’s inherently Orwellian, and I wish people would stop and think about that.
@@ernststravoblofeld do people rely upon the things that the pipeline brings them?
What harm comes to them?
What happens when we stop burning?
Are you familiar with global dimming?
@@MattAngiono People need clean air and water a lot more than they need oil.
@@ernststravoblofeld true, I'm not denying that, but they still need it to heat their homes and in many cases, the society still requires oil for many parts of our infrastructure.
We all need food and other supplies to get to the grocery stores, and this happens using fuel, sadly.
Fix that issue FIRST, then you can reduce the use of fuel.
But be careful, that can actually make the planet heat up faster...
You didn't answer my question about global dimming.
That's crucial knowledge if you want to stop the warming
Was about to comment that, by definition, the pollution and destruction by these corporations is mass violence, and then you said it. Great video, something a lot of us have been pondering the last few years…
Yes, but that doesn't mean then you should sink to their level.
Violence isn't going to fix anything.
This comes from a childish response and victim hood mentality.
The better response is peaceful evolution, doing things that will benefit the environment like veganism and tackling the warming with MEER Reflection Project.
Look these up and see hood too truly be helpful...
Violence is never the answer.
Not if you care about your own character and mind
@@MattAngiono did you even watch the video? People HAVE been peacefully protesting. It's not working alone.
@Joepat1 yes, I watched it, hence the comment.
Just because a protest doesn't work doesn't automatically mean you get to throw violent temper tantrums.
Not to mention you'll only exacerbate the problem
@@MattAngiono You listed veganism and MEER, but those are things that can be done in parallel to protests, to this kind of action. Those aren't solutions, simply bandaid fixes. The governmental response needs to be addressed somehow and protests aren't working. What to do about that?
If the protests aren't being taken seriously, and more forms of protests becoming less and less legal across the world, how do we change that?
@Gabriel Melanson I meant to add the reason veganism is "a solution" is because they did a study of how much land could returned to wild habitat if everyone went vegan.
IT'S AN AREA THE SIZE OF RUSSIA!
This is far more of an impact than planting trees.
It absorbs 16 years worth of carbon emissions by their estimate.
The study was published in Nature, so it was peer reviewed and deserves attention.
The biggest threat to humanity in the climate crisis isn't sea level rise higher temperature, or more hurricanes, it's LOSS OF HABITAT.... and guess what we can improve by getting people to become vegan?
I agree, protesting isn't getting us where we want.
So why not be the change?
Become vegan, and show others that you still eat DELICIOUS food!
Demonstrate that it is not that hard and can be achieved with diligence, and understand and explain just how much healthier the environment will be when we change this sadistic practice of consuming conscious creatures.
It's a win-win in every way, and I can syst that you can still enjoy your food just as much.
I used to run a BBQ and now I'm completely vegan and like my food even more.
There's simply no excuse for anyone wanting to help save the environment to not be vegan
This is BOLD! Thank you. Mario said it best, "And that -- that brings me to the second mode of civil disobedience. There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus -- and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it -- that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all!". Be the sabot in the machine!
Have you really considered the consequences?
What happens when people are caught?
What happens to the people who depend on the supply chains for sustenance?
What happens when emissions are reduced?
Does that fix the climate or make things worse (look up goal dimming)?
@@MattAngiono Silence, neolib
@@MattAngiono well, first, the fossil fuel industry is so big that for each supply chain destroyed, there's a 100 more, so resources won't be affected much, its about sending a message, not forcefully abolishing the industry. Second, if we are worried about cutting off important infrastructure that also pollutes, we can instead target those who pollute with minimal value, i.e. Coca Cola, one of the main companies causing plastic pollution. Sure, you'll make all the fans of coca cola unhappy, but it's better than having flow of a very important crude oil product cut off, halting or slowing the progression of society.
@Thor the Doge I have no problem with ending the reign of Coca-Cola...
But I wouldn't say that violence is the way to accomplish that.
I think educating the addicted masses would be a better choice.
Not easy, no, but at least that's ethical.
There's also the long shot of using the legal system, if enough people support it, by making these harmful products illegal.
That would be ideal
@@MattAngionoYou are a critical thinker. Consequences of the sabotage would be dire and also, not everyone agrees so violence will definitely ensue.
It was an honour to comment on this video while it was still up.
Same here o7
yep o7
Same,
Love your username.
I tried to report this video
This video states something we've all inevitably thought about at some point. Crazy times we live in.
You think about committing violent crime?
Don't speak for everyone. I disagreed with some of this video. Some of the things Our Changing Climate said was vengeance and violence, not self defense. Apparently he covers up innocent people hurt by violence protesters. Like BLM who shot dead a African 8 yr old girl. That's how it always ends.
4:07 Eviction is not violence.
Human caused cliamte change is a farce. Carbon dioxide is not a green house gas it has a greater specific gravity and a greater mass thus the very insignificant amount in our atmosphere (0.4%) accumulates on or near the ground whilst if concentrations fall below 0.2% plant life will beging to die off.
I guess it’s supposed to be a big secret that plants are carbon based life forms that require fertilizers (NPK) and pull carbon from the soil that was previously sequestered while they emit massive amounts of hydrocarbon based terpenes like highly volatile isoprene as well as carbon and sulphur based alkaloids, phenolics and polyketides like ethers, polyethers, and polyenes. Many of these compounds aerosolize and contribute ozone and smog and haze. While isoprene also breaks down into nitric oxide which is a major air pollutant. While eating a plant based diet also produces more flatulence producing more methane
Where I live, activists do their best to work hand-in-hand with the local indigenous communities when engaging in resistance against fossil infrastructure projects. We've been explicitly asked by members of these communities to refrain from any "vandalist" actions. Out of respect for the stewards of the land we live on, we have to oblige. This is a difficult topic, even within activist communities.
From a long time tree sitter, thank you for making something that addresses the political reality of the situation.
This is a very interesting perspective that I hadn't considered yet. Thank you for sharing it.
My question has always been such a simple one... When will these oil company executives be tried for their crimes against humanity? Because there's no other way of describing their abominable conduct...
They won't. People don't get tried for crimes against humanity unless they're a highly visible and obvious target that can be scapegoated. Most people can't name a single oil executive or what roles are responsible for making things get so bad; even in a perfect world where oil and gas use are no more these people will just fade into the background with their wealth unless dealt with personally.
Its a bit like the financial crisis of 2007, where not single individuals were responsible for the disaster, but a flawed system with many many many players that each only acted in their (more or less) humane self-interest. It wasn't so much a single entity or conspiracy, it just kinda happened because noone was eager to selfsabotage in order to fix a systemic issue
These aren't "bad" people, just that their interests oppose our, so I would describe their actions as doing what their positions make them do
@@catsatemycookies8988 they have acted - for decades - with the knowledge that their "product" poisons the atmosphere and choose to hide that fact. It's oil companies that first realised that climate change was a direct result of burning fossil fuels, but the prospect of new trade routes and oil reserves in the Arctic was more tempting than preserving life on the planet. They are NOT innocent but any stretch of the imagination
@@Celis.C yes, but this isn't because they are evil. I'm not denying that they do this stuff, but it's still no reason to be moral. You and I would do the same if we were in their position.
I plug this book whenever I can. One of the most important readings for all environmentalists in my opinion.
The book “Ministry for the Future” is like a handbook, they crashed jets until the airline industry collapsed, for example.
I don't understand how more people don't take part in climate awareness. Some don't even believe. Thank you for making these videos.
Anyone who doesn't believe in climate change has emotional reasons to refuse to accept reality.
Simple: Too busy trying to make money to pay our food and rent.
That activism is only a hobby for rich and privileged first world citizens, at least for me and my family. And the entire Third World, as far as I am concerned.
Most people either do not have time or simply aren't bothered enough by it.
I personally do not care about climate change because it does not affect me or my family directly.
I think letting our governments and experts deal with it is a better option as they know more about this than the average person.
@@jorgen8630
"It does not effect me or my family directly."
So, no killer weather where you live...right now.
No fire, flood, drought, cat-5 hurricane, tornado, heat wave.
Those things are going to increasingly affect _where the world's food is produced._
Just noting.
Basically, if you think it's not affecting you now, you probably haven't looked into how your food comes to exist.
In the late 90s I wrote a pamphlet about industrial sabotage and creating 'radical flank' movements. In 2002 the platform selling it removed it and at a peaceful protest (anti-privatisation) where I was arrested they knew exactly who I was and claimed grounds for charges of suspected 'organisation of industrial terrorism' and that I was trying to hide in plain sight in peaceful protesting. This what happens to all protest now. Vanessa Codaccioni's 2019 essay 'Repression' is a good insight into how the states have depoliticised public protest by aligning it with the idea of terrorism 'against the public order'. with all the usual fearmongering and state or state-sponsored violence masked as 'law & order'. The western EU states put forward a face of progressive climate action, but actually their core economic policy still favours big business and big polluters.
Violence protest has always ended in hurting innocents like BLM shooting dead a African 8 yr old girl. Our Changing Climate omitting that is propaganda and romanticizing that it always works out well. Environmental violence has caused some people to say they don't care about the environment anymore. Things changing better was not cause of violence, but in spite of it.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c I'm sorry, I don't understand the points you are making.
@@bowl3864 Probably not. And I've moved on to specifically different economics so I don't want to associate my name with some Ideas I had which were incorrect.
I just watched this. Thank you for everything you do. I’ll apply all of the points listed to my life for as long as I live.
This isn't the solution...
If you want that, try veganism and MEER Reflection Project...
Those things actually produce a more peaceful world and reduce harm, while reducing emissions will just result in MORE harm
A much needed discussion, thank you! Any violence that takes place today will pale incomarison to the violence by war and mass rioting that will inevitably come with real climate collapse.
Climate collapse is a ridiculous fantasy.
War and past violence does not justify violence. That's like some environmentalists saying some Americans saying China pollutes more doesn't justify their pollution. Or someone cheating on you cause they make a excuse that they're on as worse as the worse cheater. Your comment was double standards.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c I'm not condoning any violence here. Just noting that any struggles (violent or not) that come from trying to avoid climate change will pale in comparison to what will come with real climate collapse.
This is the most pragmatic video I've seen in as long as I can remember. I do think though that if the world went into worldwide Amish cosplay tomorrow, the ownership class would be miffed about MORE than that no one was burning their profitable gas.
Delightful! 👍🌻
Pragmatic at causing more harm faster....
This won't help save the planet.
It will accelerate the harm to people and the climate
To be a lil technical, the Amish still use gasoline. A lot of equipment requires a power source and when they don't have a connection to the power grid, it has to be powered either directly (IE, a water pump) or via a generator (some Mennonite communities will allow for use of power tools)
Congratulations, you have successfully radicalized me
Its time we actually started fighting for our lives. This is literally a fight against extinction.
Your obedience mask not doing the trick?
@@imperialmotoring3789 we'll wear masks as we do it because we aren't idiots who don't believe in viruses
YES! DIRECT ACTION NOW!
I work as a reforester and we're funded by ecosia 😁. We really do plant trees! 🌲🌳🌲🌳🌴🌳🌲
U should make an appearance on The Deprogram podcast, it’d be sick
ON GOD wow all my fav creators responsible for radicalizing me in the best way. @secondthought @hakim @yugopnik
Him and perhaps Emerican Johnson too (Non Compete).
I need an appointment with the Deprograming podcast. 🤯😅😬
"Non-Violence cannot be a fig leaf covering Powerlessness." - Mahatma Ghandi
I fig leaf might be too big for you.
This video is good timing considering the Willow Alaska project was just approved
Excellent! The elephant in the room is suddenly seen. Don't expect mainstream corporate media to cover this. Educate yourself, see the brutal reality and live frugally...
This is a very responsible commentary and analysis about the value, usefulness, and morality of violence in regards to stopping the fossil fuel industry from further violence and crimes against humanity. It is especially important today when the mainstream media give virtually all their attention to non-violent resistance, and the few times they do give media attention to ppl who advocate destroying and sabotaging fossil fuel infrastructure, it is not in a positive light. Keep up the good work, bro!
Are you so sure they fixes anything?
Not to mention the people named along the way?
You need to look up global dimming and see that we can't just reduce our way out of this...
More intelligent responses are needed, not childish tantrums that are violent and destructive.
@@MattAngiono What are you suggesting then? What is a more intelligent response? It seems all but clear that protests do little to none to curb the destructive pursuits of the fossil conglomerates, and the states that protect their right to destroy. The apocalypse is already happening in the third world. The people of the first world face a massive responsibility to bring the fossil fuel industry to halt. The time for purely political solutions is long passed. Actions should have been taken in the 70s and 80s. They weren't. The latest massive climate conference brought absolutely nothing to the table. It's clear that the political system is too resistant to radical change, and too deeply intertwined with the interests of the fossil fuel giants, to bring about meaningful change. This is not to say that voting for green candidates, and reducing one's own carbon footprint is meaningless. That is the bare minimum what each ethical person should do, and absolutely a part of the puzzle. Just that it's not anywhere near enough. Perhaps more radical means are needed, since the "business as usual" -model is a train headed for hellfire. I don't think there's anything necessarily childish about taking calculated forceful action against destructive physical assets. I'd be interested to hear your solutions though.
@Karl Tanner have you looked up global dimming yet?
Do you get the implication?
I'll help simplify it...
It means reducing fossil fuel emissions won't help.
It WILL MAKE THE WARMING INCREASE!
So you can have this noble plan of getting everyone to do better, but without another solution in place, the result will be the death of all life on earth.
The best chance we have is MEER Reflection Project IMHO.
Look up what's it's all about if you really care.
You could also become vegan, which is very helpful, also for all those suffering animals (literally hundreds of thousands while I typed this one response).
That's how we can make real change in this world.
A violent reaction to the power structures won't result in what you want, and likely will cause more harm than good.
I don't like those power structures either, but I'm not going to react like a child and throw a tantrum.
I'm going to use my mind and my compassion, because that's what makes me human.
I hope you do the same.
We can discuss this further if you like but please understand global dimming first, otherwise there's no point.
That's really the crux of everything climate and almost no one here even knows what it is, which is a serious problem and why you might think violence could work
"no credible path to 1.5"; "at 2 degrees we begin to lose our ability to affect most systems"; "as we approach 3 degrees we leave less and less of a livable planet". All words I have heard in the last few months and sometimes earlier. Remember in 2009 when we were at .8 degrees? Well the math suggests we have hit the accelerator. Unfortunately we are not using the breaks.
Don't you just love it, how they label us thugs and terrorists, when we try to make a stand to defend for the wellbeing of our only home, Earth..
The rich see everyone else as livestock or vermin, depending on whether they make or cost money. They don't see you as human. They either want to farm you, or exterminate you. That's why they love borders. Fences for the livestock, which the rich just fly over. During the pandemic, some of them straight out said it. The old or ill should sacrifice themselves for "the economy."
The wellbeing of the earth, of course, you're no less than a hero.
You do realize that Al Quaeda also thought of themselves as heroes improving the eternal afterlife of people?
@@MrCmon113 Someone drank the kool-aid.
You wont believe how much property will be damaged if we hit irreversible tipping points. Little now, save a lot later.
Hi, thanks for the great video. I'm concerned that solar punk visions downplay the real hard work involved with living apart from the grid and global supply chains. The community structures and actual real-life skills necessary to achieve a post-fossil fuel world are incredibly difficult to come by for the average person. I say this because I live in one of only a few counties in the US where people are exploring this way of life in earnest. I'm curious to see how your new video portrays a utopian world. Unfortunately, I find that many depictions of a solar punk future are green-washed 😕 the personal sacrifices that it takes to form a strong, regenerative community are greater than many think. It would be nice to see this addressed in some way.
For an effective climate movement to exist, I think parallel structures are just as important to the strategy as flanking. Maybe as a follow-up video, you could touch on the challenges and successes of parallel structures in the past.
We simply aren't ready...
Many will suffer if the system breaks down.
We do need to change, but breaking things is childish behavior, not a viable solution
@@MattAngiono without a shift in the status quo nothing will change. We cannot sit around waiting for the *right* option to materialise, we need to opt for the *best* option now. We can’t wait any longer.
beware the moderate liberal
@@MattAngiono No, it isn't a viable solution. But neither is protesting, neither is building our small little gardens, neither, it seems, is expecting any kind of governmental changes. If we are all doomed to suffer eventually as the planets warms up continuously, which kind of suffering should we prioritize?
This is very much a trolley problem, where either way, more people suffer, but one path ends up putting personal responsibility of that suffering on our shoulders for the hope of eventual betterment of people all around and the other leaves it on the shoulders of nameless, faceless oil tycoons that we can all point the fingers at and blame without accomplishing anything once things have gone too far.
Without solutions, it's just a moral choice and a choice for the level of personal involvement in the matter.
Our opponents---social, corporate AND political---have _already_ committed to violence against us. My view? Fire with Fire!
Ironically this is exactly the same reason they use!
@@outerspaceisalie we need a bigger flame then
Won't fire damage your forest loser?
@@imperialmotoring3789 funny you should say that! In temperate forests fires are typically a good thing for forests. It's called a control burn when done purposefully. What it does is clears out invasive species and stimulates growth of native plants.
@@hawks9142 And hitting a nail with a hammer is the best way to drive a nail. Should i do that to instill some common sense into your thick skull? Instead of having a childish tantrum get dressed and go to work son. You should try it.
Easily my fav video from you so far, Great work !
I want everyone to recognize that private property is sacred under the ideology of liberalism, it has been ingrained into it since the early days of the enlightenment period, and until we overthrow this backwards ideology it will continue to be the standard upon which society operates. We need to abolish the private ownership of capital and put the levers of control firmly in the hands of the working people. Until this happens we will see the capitalist state continue to defend the violence capitalists commit through the police state for domestic affairs and military and espionage forces for global affairs. Join or create a local organization and get to work, we have nothing to lose but our chains!
Well said, comrade.
Abolish private ownership? Then where will you live if your mom's basement is abolished?
They already tried that, it was called the Khmer Rouge. It didn't work as well as you would expect. That didn't stop Noam Chomsky for making excuses for it, though.
Sorry, don't think I'm gonna easily give up my truck, by far the most useful tool I've owned.
@@cpufreak101when people say "private property", they mean "means of production (like a factory or oil field) owned by a single person or company"
nobody will take your truck
Truly I think property violence is a last resort only because you often can’t guarantee that nobody will get hurt, including you. or that you won’t cause environmental damage accidentally.
Yeah, for example considering sabotaging air conditioners by just releasing the refrigerant. Sure, you'll achieve the goal of pissing people off by making them have no A/C, but the refrigerant is an EXTREMELY potent greenhouse gas (r134a) or if it's old enough, will just straight up eat Ozone (R12)
RATM said it: Anger is the voice of the unheard. They've not heard us peacefully, so unfortunately they have to hear anger instead.
I am so glad that this video is still up after a week! I am partly commenting just to push engagement, but also to let you know that there might be an issue with people getting unsubscribed. I just noticed that my subscription was gone, so I resubscribed. Hopefully, it will last longer this time.
I don't understand how people behave as if nothing is happening. I really don't understand
colonialism kills anyone who steps out of line
In the U.S. there is a Supreme Court case called "Glacier Northwest v. Teamsters" where a concrete company is suing the Union for financial damages caused by a strike.
When the Court goes through with ruling in the company's favour, that will open the door to all companies in the U.S. suing unions to recover the financial losses caused by strikes.
At that point, deliberate sabotage is just a dollar amount, isn't it?
If someone will destroy my car because they want to save the planet they will feel what it means to be in pain.
You don't want to be enslaved by Socialism? Why not?
@@imperialmotoring3789 Because bananas are purple.
I would prefer that violence wasn't necessary. Double-edged swords aren't toys. We try to do it the right way by using our right to speak out but if governments and corporations don't or won't listen.. what other choice do we have but to deliver a thousand cuts for the sake of every living thing on this planet. Nature taught us not to roll over in front of our predators, so we won't.
I am a citizen of planet Earth and I approve this message
I think there is something to be said for violence against people too though. If you put a stop to one piece of fossil fuel infrastructure, good for you. But the investors and executives who suffered financially because of that will always attempt to recoup their losses through new projects that may be designed to be out of the reach of saboteurs. Those wealthy individuals will also need to be destroyed eventually, or else new destructive designs will continue to spring from their minds.
Saving the planet is priority one. All other considerations are secondary.
Surprised YT hasn't taken this down yet
I know it's out of topic, but I really like the look of your videos with the new Ambient mode on TH-cam. Th e rounded corners blend into player and for the most part looks really nice.
Downloaded in case YT misunderstands your message. We all know you're talking about sabotage in Minecraft.
Absolutely. This is a let's play channel, right?
Consistently learning new things here, even when the topic is one I have tried to familiarize myself with well. Thank you for talking about the radical flank effect, and this topic as a whole.
What a comprehensive and important video. Thank you.
Wow, fantastic video. More people need to hear this and expand their idea of what comprises a full picture of effective change.
@JZ's BFF I hope when it gets to that point that people don't accept simple appeasement from the ruling class. As much as it sucks it has to be this way, it will indeed have to be this way at the rate we are going. Enough people need to realize that there are way more of us than them, and we hold the power if we unite.
@@Meow_Zedong people are cucks so we will probably get fascism because people think once the blacks are gone everything will be fine
@@Gigachad-mc5qz I think there's more cumulative hate for LGBTQ+ people at the moment, and I'm very worried for all of them with the way conservatives talk about them.
Great video!
One thing needs to be understood above all:
If we do not do something about climate change and the destruction of our planet, nothing else matters...NOTHING!
Never good to call for violence dude
Great video. Thank you for the link to ground News as well. I downloaded it
In our society the rich and powerful are allowed to use violence. It's when people fight back that they don't like.
Thanks for doing what you do!
This video made me get Nebula so that I could watch it much earlier. I am worried that a video like this or content like this will get this channel creator banned from TH-cam. I largely agree we need a radical, militant form of anti-FFI, but practicing it in the real world could be so damaging and dangerous for so many people. If it's justifiable self-defense, then I support it.
I really think we need to reconsider the "Self" in self-defence. All of life on earth, the ecosystems- it seems obvious that those are part of humanities "self" too. Many Indigenous wisdom traditions speak of this, too- and with good reason.
@@vivilonrane1330 Yeah, especially younger people are acting in self-defence when blocking high-ways or stopping an oil refinery by glueing themselves to the factory floor.
It's their future they are protecting.
Some of what Our Changing Climate said was violence and vengeance, not self defense. Environmental violence has caused some people to say they don't care about the environment anymore. That's sabotages enviromentalism, not help.
@@vivilonrane1330 I care about the planet and animals but they're are not comparable to people or doing violence to people.
Great video!
Informative and eloquent as always.
Yeah careful with the sabotage idea, ever seen the movie Green Inferno?
Counting down till this video is taken down
Censorship, yea I guess that's another form of violence against political movements
This might be the best video I've seen this year until now.
I'm surprised you never explicitly made this link. But from the frame that you presented here, the state is the militant wing of corporate interest
You can read at 8:01 that XR clearly is in solidarity with sabotage actions. That's just not our strategy. Still a great video as usual - keep it up!
Ghandi served as a medic for the British during the Boer war, he never condoned the violence and would assist either side when injured.
So good to see this comment amongst the sea of blood-thirsty
But he did support non-violent but disruptive and illegal protest. Most famously, he lead a very large protest in which people manufactured salt locally by evaporation - in blatant violation of a law which prohibited all salt manufacture, forcing India to buy overpriced salt from British monopoly providers. This was not remotely legal, but nor was it violent: It was an expression of defiance, saying that the people of India should not be forced to obey a law which was so clearly unjust and written purely for the enrichment of the well-connected. The British government responded as you would expect: Mass arrests, and harsher censorship laws prohibiting even discussing organised protests. The salt protest eventually succeeded through simple scale: There were so many people taking part that it became impossible to arrest even a fraction.
The US civil rights movement used some similar techniques: Groups of protesters who would just walk into whites-only businesses, sit down in the door, and refuse to move, making it impossible for those businesses to operate and generate revenue. Until the police turned up to beat them and drag them away. Again, non-violent - but illegal, and disruptive.
Remember though: Even when these protest movements succeed, it first requires that a lot of protesters be, at the very least, arrested and imprisoned. Depending on exact circumstances, there may be violence beyond that. So you need to have a large number of people who feel so passionately about the cause that they are willing to risk their own freedom.
@@vylbird8014 I get that, but in the video it just mentions that Ghandi originally enlisted with the British army; and he did, but as a medic committed to non-violence. Some of his followers or organized protests became violent, and he was torn over this- as to whether he should keep leading if things deteriorated to violence.
I don't consider property damage violence. The video discusses this issue, and while some laws may call it such, I disagree. Violence is harm to a living being, not necessarily human, but to me violence means you are trying to hurt living beings, not someone's stuff.
Thank you for educating 🙏🏼
Thank you for this video.
By this time I rate violence isn't just justified, it is necessary...
Thank you for the great content
but the libs told me to vote harder
If you're critiquing libs you must be a Republican....
/S
Me in 2015: wow this Bernie Sanders guy is super cool
Me in 2023: wow this Andreas Malm guy is super cool
Not to sound too much like a lib, but voting is also important. In terms of activism in countries like the U.S.A., it has the best ROI. Voting will not save us, but not mobilizing to make the electoral institutions work for us will make the process of saving ourselves significantly harder
“Necessary but not sufficient” is the phrase that should always be expressed regarding Electoralism.
you should also still vote
Fantastic video! So well made.
very good explanation
now we're talking
On it. The enemy defines the terms to suit itself. Ignore the definitions you are handed by those who would see you dead.
The stock footage at 0:34 shows Las Fallas form Valencia. So recognizable!
This is a fantastic video and no doubt deserves hundreds of times more views then it has.
The climate crisis is already leading to immense harm - to prevent it by violence against property is to do something that future generations will be grateful for.
At the "Stop Cop City" music festival, the crowd chanted "If you build it, we will burn it" which I think is just as important as other forms of sabotage. It's showing that even if they get their way, they don't get to keep their gains. Even tho the forest would be destroyed, they would pay for every inch they took. I'm sick and poor. I can't go to these things nor financially support them. The only thing I can do is spread awareness and my support. If the activists fail, I hope they keep their word.
I get that, I hope that your illness isn't due to the environment but if it I understand you as my mom had an oxygen machine due to the pollution the US placed threw in Puerto Rico (coal ash). We moved to the states and well she thankfully doesn't need it anymore but it's infuriating how nothing is done since they profit
I'm pleasantly surprised this video hasn't been taken down yet.
great video! thanks!
Please please more videos like this 🙏🙏
I stumbled across guerrilla gardening a bit ago and got on a small eco socialist rabbithole without realizing it and then stumbled across your last video. Then i watched this one, and i was radicalized. I've been on a days long binge of as much solarkpunk, eco anarchist, permaculture, and general environmental information as i can possibly find and this summer im taking to the streets spreading seeds and getting involved in local activism 👍👍
Promoting vengeance and violence is not good. It's not self defense. It has stigmatized environmentism and environmentalists and some people said they were turned off from caring about the environment, and saying environmentalists are evil and just want to control people.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c i think you missed the point of the video where they said a combination of both peaceful AND militant activism is necessary and routinely used to propel many successful revolutions
Outstanding video. Crucial information.
Finally someone saying things clearly - afaik all social movements that had any kind of result had to meddle with violence/destruction in some way - now if we can stop with the romanticism and ideological pollution, that would be even better, because like, destroying golden rice fields or blocking nuclear plant construction is not the same thing as trying to damage fossil fuel industry
All my love to the future eco-terrorists out there ❤️
Implementation of property laws is often violence so property violence is just counteraction to it.
Good to see more recognition of my favorite book.
This is a fantastic video
I only skimmed through it so far but this seems mega based
Yeah it was mega based.
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