I think if Shawn would have went to WCW he would have been one of the tragedies of his era. With how hard the Kliq partied and how legendary the party/drug scene with the WCW crew was Shawn would have been in the ground.
I agree would of never got the opportunity of the world heavyweight belt either what have been the US champ at Best or the television champion. Him and hall would have got s*** faced every single night. And would just be another NWO member
@@BigEvan96 That's the point. All Hall & Nash did in WCW was get fd up, Shawn most likely would've never got clean and his career would have went to shit.
I honestly think he would of blown up over there too. Shawn could work in both companies and be a success no problem. Lot of good matches for him in ace and wwf
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@@rickytpb2164 lmao Bishoff:alright hulk kevin nash and Scott hall agree shawn should when the title at the next ppv Hogan: Doesn't work for me brother.
As long as he had those guys behind him he would've been fine, no bigger friends you can have in the WCW locker room than the dudes who literally run the whole thing lol
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He had to they had great matches together and with other people but Shawn would of still broke his bk with that casket match with taker but at least they got the best hell in a cell match the first one ever with taker Shawn's hell in a cell it was the first and still best ever hell in cell match sum people think Foley and taker was best but it was only 2 big bumps if I watch the 97 taker Shawn mins of the nest match
When i was a kid i was a massive HBK fan and when he came back in 2002 at summerslam i was like a kid again marking out for his return but hearing how he was back in the day he sounded like a real piece of work. He wouldnt of lasted long in WCW not with Hollywood Hogan calling the shots on who would be in main events with him. Look how they used Bret Hart and being pals with The outsiders wouldnt of helped as it was Hogan who had creative control in his contract.
Hall didn't have control but Nash became booker and tell me bishoff wouldn't have put him with hall and nash in the NWO and turned Hogan face and back in red and yellow of course HBK would have been champion in WCW
Me to me to so good he delivered and how good he is people don't talk much about this classic then to win the belt at next ppv was marked out big time I new then the show stopper was bk think how many matches of the yr he has probly more he probly has more matches of the yr than all the rest put together he really is the show stopper and main event
Sunny has admitted to sleeping with everyone except Bret. There's a recent interview where she lists the guys. She was asked about Bret and she said no.
Hall and Nash had a favored nation in their contract. That doesn't mean they were guaranteed to be the highest paid guys in the company. It just meant that they could pick ten guys and if any of the guys they picked started working for WCW and got more money than Hall and Nash, then WCW would have to match the money so they wouldn't get paid more than Hall and Nash. I believe Sting and Hogan were the only ones allowed to get paid more than Hall and Nash.
They came in earning more than Sting and they were smart and would’ve selected ten top guys who would’ve been likely to get the most money if they were to jump. Scott Hall probably picked Nash, Shawn, Bret, Taker, Waltman, DiBiase, and some other guys who they assumed were likely to make the move
@@Redhotshawntexas honestly they would have been smart enough to put it in writing that they’re 2nd and 3rd to hulk hogan who’d definitely have a “highest paid in wcw clause” then do the smart thing, bring in michaels he negotiates a bigger deal than hulk, which would automatically bump up hulk, and hall and nash.
Not really Shawn was gone from the company soon after bret due to back injury and was a none factor during stone cold era. And returned after wcw was gone, he would of made a good chunk of money had he went to wcw and he would be a top draw and protected by hall and Nash
Shawn Michaels in WCW with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall would have been very fun to see that during the Monday Night Wars and maybe even seeing a Shawn Michaels vs DDP match would have been awesome . Also the backstage politics , drama and egos would have been a total shit show
So these were two grown ass men who are Alphas for a living.... and this is the greatest backstage fight of all time.... the best part and highlight of the fight was one man pulling the other man by the hair.... pulling hair so violently that he pulled hair out.... I would keep this story a secret.. what the fuck
He was also a shithead who helped bankrupt the company and was described by someone as affable as Kevin Nash as a "used car salesman". Having said that, I wouldn't employ Shawn either. Magnificent worker, but a total and utter cunt, liar and duplicitous backstabber.
Yeah he also said mick Foley winning the wwe title would not sell any tickets. Then he never won the ratings again and the company folded. So I’d take anything he says with a grain of salt.
WCW never went bankrupt. AOL-Time Warner took Turner out of power and didn’t want wrestling on their networks. Nash wasn’t the booker when Goldberg lost the title. Bischoff made that call because the streak had gotten stale and there was no one left for Goldberg to beat. FPOD happened because Hogan wanted the title back and Goldberg was getting booed. Nitro had been losing the ratings since October (with Goldberg as champ). Foley didn’t win the title until January. Nitro ratings went UP after Foley and the FPOD. They didn’t drop off until 4 months later when Goldberg, Hogan, Lugar, and Hall were all out injured. The nwo dissolved. Jericho left for WWF. And WCW changed their logo and set trying to mimic WWF.
God Damn could you imagine if they had the foresight to record the boys backstage? We could release hours upon hours of this stuff. Same with wcw. Nash and Hall around this time were intentionally trying to get fired. I feel like Vince probably was blocking his office door witb a chair or a couch some days managing a bunch of this shit. Its a miracle his heart didnt give out from stress on a week to week basis with people all running around with their own drama, bullshit opinions, and the fights. It sounds like the fucking wild west.
HBK is a top 10 performer all time , and on anybodys list. However him getting to lose his smile to avoid Bret match/job maybe was bs. Met him in 92 and he had that superstar feel but was still nice to me despite 1000 people in line......milford ct.
Bischoff felt that he would not have known what to do with Shawn, but listen to Kevin Sullivan. Sullivan even said, had they had shawn, that would've been the end of wwe, and even said he would've let shawn DO WHAT HE WANTED meaning creative control like hogan, because like Sullivan said- this guy has the best matches, so how do you tell someone whom has the best matches what to do? And to think how Shawn would've gone there and had the match that didn't happen in wwe- HBK VS MACHO MAN! = money. Shawn was more money than bret. just think about the possibilities Shawn vs Macho Man = MONEY Shawn Vs Ric Flair = MONEY Shawn Vs EDDIE GUERRERO (dream match #2 = money) Shawn vs Chris Benoit = dream match # 3 = MONEY SHAWN MICHAELS vs STING = MONEY Shawn michaels vs BOOKER T = MONEY and he can do yet another ladder match against - SCOTT HALL = money! Shawn Vs Jericho = money those were possibilities wcw could've done without even having HOGAN involved and all being match of the year Canditates Bret was on a different level and what bret wanted was to go right to face HOgan, for the title, and wcw denied that and put bret on the sidelines because hogan wasn't having anything to do with it. And again I love bret dearly and he is one of the best but those matches listed the only money matches bret would've had from that list was Bret Vs Flair and Bret vs Sting. WHich had already happened. After that there was nothing much else to do with bret. Shawn had those possibilities, Vince knew that, that's why vince made that choice to let bret go over shawn when Shawn was the one that wanted to go and bret didn't. Especially that match with MACHO MAN that vince FORBIDDED to have there was no way vince was going to let shawn go over bret.
Alex Melendez Bret vs Flair would be better than Shawn vs Flair. Bret vs Benoit was money! Bret vs Jericho would have been money! Bret vs Guerrero would have been money! Bret vs Booker would have been money! Bret vs Sting; Bret vs Luger; Bret vs Savage; Bret vs Rey! I'm a HUGE Bret fan. Every wrestler than wrestled Shawn and Bret had a better match with Bret.
I disagree with Kevin Sullivan. It's not like the male stripper was drawing a dime in WWF at the time. He was a great performer but never that over. Had WWF lost him, it would have been difficult but they would have rebounded.
The Greatest Sports Entertainer Of All Time! A kid goes after his instincts. What you think is all gossiped behind your back?!??? The only thing mattering is his History/Legacy! In ring, on mic. Screw em haters! There cannot be 30 guys on top! Bret had his shot early 90s, he didn't bring it. There was someone better, younger, more charismatic in the locker room! So the show moves on. As with any athletes else being succeded.
I've heard/read contradicting reports on when Vince told Bret he won't be able to honor the contract. Here, I hear June, on another vid, I hear September.
Fight Fiend Miggs Two different conversations. The one mentioned in this video is one where Vince wanted to restructure. In September, a follow-up conversation where Vince told Bret he couldn’t honor the contract, and to see if Bischoff would still give him the original contract. Vince told Bret he would keep their meeting secret so that it wouldn’t mess up a deal with WCW. Bret ended up getting the deal he wanted from Bischoff.
I'm starting to think the back thing wasn't real. Seems like WWE paid him to stay home and not go to WCW because they could run with Austin, Mankind, Rock. Had he gone to WCW with Bret there and had a rematch from Survivor Series it'd be game over for WWF
@@dildonius Bret was a worker bro. When you're a worker it doesn't matter if you're the Undertaker. If the boss says drop the belt, you drop the belt. Bret wanted to be the boss when he had no grounds for being the boss. It's not really the "screwjob". It's Vince making an example out of Bret for insubordination. The good thing about wrestling is that personal problems generate revenue. This was a double edged sword for the WWE.
@@BigEvan96 Yeah because Shawn was the model employee. How many times has Vince told Shawn to lose to Bret and he refused, "insubordination" and "wanted to be the boss"? Bruce Pritchard is that you?
WCW Nitro was a rated R / MA show for adults compared to WWE Raw right now... My parents used to think WCW was too violent. And the drama during the shows felt very real, unlike today. It didn't seem like they were trying to be kid friendly. Only thing that was missing was the puppies and blood (which came later in 99) Other than that the drama and wrestling looked real. WCW never would say it was entertainment. This was also before everyone had internet so most kids believed it was all real that it wasn't just a show
@Bold One Shawn and the whole dx thing was Vince trying to create his own stable on par with the nWo and if you notice in 97, wrestling was stable crazy. Nod, Hart foundation, Los boricuas, DOA, DX. That was Vince trying to find something to stick and catch fire like nWo.
Shawn would have backed out of a lawsuit against WWF. It's one thing for the company to know he was a pill-head, but quite another for it to come out in a public forum. WWF would have creamed him on his lifestyle choices contributing to an unsafe work environment.
90s HBK in WCW would have been insane, he'd have probably died but as long as he wasn't treated like Bret Hart in WCW and was given a Hall and Nash position and personally Id take him and give him Hogans spot, but it would have been crazy
It’s a what if situation… What if Vince had fired Shawn again (after the first time with Jannetty)? What would’ve become of The HeartBreak Kid? Would there have been the show stopper, the icon, the main event? Most likely not… WCW did not know how to run a wrestling program, and as others have said he would’ve ended up in the cruiserweight division and never been on top again. What if Vince had fired Shawn? I would go on a limb and say his Wikipedia wouldn’t say IS it would say WAS
Hogan would put him in his place just like he did at SummerSlam. People like to hype up HBK but he really was a small fry not on the levels of a Hogan, Austin, Rock, Bret, Cena
Glad he didn't make the switch at that time. WWF needed all the help they could get back then. Switching companies doesnt always work, Bret Hart for example.
Staying with the wwe was the best decision shawn did. With the politics there and guys like hogan/flair running wcw shawn's career would die there in a few months.
man I wished that fight didn't happen knowing now he was supposed to fight pillman 1 of the greats n I guarantee that match would of been a dq with pillman status trying to get a push vs stone cold ,but pillman was more hooked on pills then anybody
The truth is Bret and Shawn had a bitch fight, pulling each other's hair, wrestlers that broke it up said they crashed through a fake wall, and they pulled each others hair, then it was over, not much of a fight, huh, anyone out there that can tell me different, I like to know.
@@jakelang806 Shawn was never a star when hulk was there in the first round. And they barely engaged In 2002 to 2006 run and obviously mellowed out with age
This would have been Shawn's career had he left to wcw: -show up acting like he's at odds with the nwo -joins the nwo at the next ppv -gets kicked out of the nwo (face turn) -turns heel, joins nwo again -turns face, leaves nwo again -turns heel, joins nwo again -turns face, leaves nwo again -repeat process until Vince buys wcw
With all of these "Doesn't work for me Brother" comments about Hogan i really wish Hogan would come back and someone would weave this into an actual storyline where some heel faction decides to just piss off the fans by putting the belt on Hogan AGAIN and then going out of their way to defend him and prevent anyone from taking it lol Each week they'd taunt the fans about how no one is getting the belt off of Hogan anytime soon and Hogan could go full heel and embrace the whole "Doesn't work for me Brother" and make it into a shirt or something lol Idea is that Hogan isn't actually wrestling (because he's too old and it would be silly) he's just showing up and the other guys are doing the work for him and getting a kick out of just angering the smart marks lol
A lot of these wrestlers need to be reminded exactly how it was when there were the territories. Maybe that needs to come back so they can start that way. Might fix the complaining about making only $200k a year or the bus is not fancy enough the hotel is only 3 star not 5. If you want professional athlete money and attention then you should have gone and been a professional athlete be damm glad they feed you now and your not living on a loaf of bread.
If you look up Vince net worth then. He had enough money! But " I DONT GIVE GUARANTEES! I GIVE OPPORTUNITIES! YEAH TO GREEN HORNS! BUT TO PROVEN TALENT! VINCE WAS AND IS GREEDY!
Is any truth to the rumor that Vince made Cornette chase HBK all over the building with Shawn's clumps of hair in one hand and a bottle of super glue in the other, in an attempt to cover up HBKs bald spot?
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I'll give Shawn all the credit in the world, he was high as the space station and STILL put on 5 star quality matches...
And never drew lol Shawn was never a draw as a top guy
@@lotokiba851 well yeah but putting on great matches while high is pretty impressive
@@alfa01spotivo lol yeah he was in outerspace but when he had the title wcw symtarted its streak
@@lotokiba851 He was a draw. The 90s was a down period
U mean when vince nearly went out of the business and did roster pay cuts yeah right
Would haved loved to see Michaels vs Pillman!!
Hbk savage b sum match
Jason Swift they have a match together
Darius - totally agree
Instead we got Michael’s vs pills, man
He is a pillman
I think if Shawn would have went to WCW he would have been one of the tragedies of his era. With how hard the Kliq partied and how legendary the party/drug scene with the WCW crew was Shawn would have been in the ground.
Interesting perspective. Never considered that, but definitely possible. Excellent comment.
I agree would of never got the opportunity of the world heavyweight belt either what have been the US champ at Best or the television champion. Him and hall would have got s*** faced every single night. And would just be another NWO member
Idk the Kliq loved Shawn. Nash and Hall have given him nothing but praise in shoots.
@@BigEvan96 That's the point. All Hall & Nash did in WCW was get fd up, Shawn most likely would've never got clean and his career would have went to shit.
I honestly think he would of blown up over there too. Shawn could work in both companies and be a success no problem. Lot of good matches for him in ace and wwf
The pat Patterson impression got me 😂😂😂
Shawn could use that clump of hair now. XD
TheCastellan Shawn could use a new pair of eyes right now
Sneaker Addiction Old age my friend, it will happen to all of us!
He could really use it now
Little hunter hair doo now HBK
shawn micheals saw that twice at once. @@porksoda1062
Bret Hart makes me feel unsafe when I am doing moonsaults off of 20 foot ladders.
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No way HBK could’ve survived the WCW locker room lol it would have been Hall and Nashs’ full time job to protect him
maybe, i mean some of those guys were cool with each other
He'd be labeled too small by Hogan and he would end up in the cruiserweight division.
@@rickytpb2164 or Scott Steiner would’ve used him as a stool and forced him to quit 😂
@@rickytpb2164 lmao
Bishoff:alright hulk kevin nash and Scott hall agree shawn should when the title at the next ppv
Hogan: Doesn't work for me brother.
As long as he had those guys behind him he would've been fine, no bigger friends you can have in the WCW locker room than the dudes who literally run the whole thing lol
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In the same vein as WWF vs WCW, Brett vs Shawn was great for ratings and for the sport of wrestling.
I love his Cornette voice
''well you know''
That sniff was a good pickup Conrad.
SHAWN MICHAELS SCREWED SHAWN MICHAELS.
He knows that.next.....
So did Vince. Know what I'm sayin'!
@@dildonius And you know Pat Patterson got a piece.
Vince had to of been doing a lot more for Taker and HBK to keep them with the company than what we may or may not have heard.
He had to they had great matches together and with other people but Shawn would of still broke his bk with that casket match with taker but at least they got the best hell in a cell match the first one ever with taker Shawn's hell in a cell it was the first and still best ever hell in cell match sum people think Foley and taker was best but it was only 2 big bumps if I watch the 97 taker Shawn mins of the nest match
Have anyone after all these years ever found out whether the King wiped first?
DarksaberForce he has said he didnt
Cornette actually took HBK's ripped out hair and tried to make a toupee out of it to wear at home
And then he lost it in his divorce. He said his ex wife has it now.
@@kala-hw1ql I think I recently heard that it turned up on Ebay.
I always crack up at Bruce's JC impression. How come Cornette is weirdly attached to all the best backstage stories?
"Half of the office wouldn't know who Michael Hickenbottom was." 😂😂
Upson Pratt
Yes...
...and you don’t sleep next to a Pringles tube full of liver.
@Upson Pratt Boy toy.
Lol. And now listening to Grilling With JR
Conrad: At what point could you tell Shawn was messed up?
JR: When he opened his mouth.
I would take JR's word over Bruce's any day.
@@KB-hh8rt Well, you know...
When i was a kid i was a massive HBK fan and when he came back in 2002 at summerslam i was like a kid again marking out for his return but hearing how he was back in the day he sounded like a real piece of work. He wouldnt of lasted long in WCW not with Hollywood Hogan calling the shots on who would be in main events with him. Look how they used Bret Hart and being pals with The outsiders wouldnt of helped as it was Hogan who had creative control in his contract.
TRIGMASTER06
Hall and nash had creative control as well so the kliq would have made sure he got a big push
trigmaster06 is correct
Hall didn't have control but Nash became booker and tell me bishoff wouldn't have put him with hall and nash in the NWO and turned Hogan face and back in red and yellow of course HBK would have been champion in WCW
Nash was the became the booker for a period, I'm sure that would've helped HBK a lot more than it ever helped Bret.
Me to me to so good he delivered and how good he is people don't talk much about this classic then to win the belt at next ppv was marked out big time I new then the show stopper was bk think how many matches of the yr he has probly more he probly has more matches of the yr than all the rest put together he really is the show stopper and main event
lol, Vince brought JR as a witness because he knew Bruce couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it!
I never understood the whole "Sunny Days" situation. Shawn was the one smashing the hell out of Sunny at this time.
Sunny was sleeping with any and everyone.
Back when sunny was worth smashing.
Shawn Michaels using weaponized Projection to purposefully be a of maximum level of infuriating to B. Hart.
Zen Of Tupac
Yanks have such a talent for that.
Sunny has admitted to sleeping with everyone except Bret. There's a recent interview where she lists the guys. She was asked about Bret and she said no.
Hall and Nash had a favored nation in their contract. That doesn't mean they were guaranteed to be the highest paid guys in the company. It just meant that they could pick ten guys and if any of the guys they picked started working for WCW and got more money than Hall and Nash, then WCW would have to match the money so they wouldn't get paid more than Hall and Nash. I believe Sting and Hogan were the only ones allowed to get paid more than Hall and Nash.
They came in earning more than Sting and they were smart and would’ve selected ten top guys who would’ve been likely to get the most money if they were to jump. Scott Hall probably picked Nash, Shawn, Bret, Taker, Waltman, DiBiase, and some other guys who they assumed were likely to make the move
@@Redhotshawntexas honestly they would have been smart enough to put it in writing that they’re 2nd and 3rd to hulk hogan who’d definitely have a “highest paid in wcw clause” then do the smart thing, bring in michaels he negotiates a bigger deal than hulk, which would automatically bump up hulk, and hall and nash.
Awesome interview on behind the scenes of WWF BACK IN TTHE DAYS
Shawn in the NWO 1997 or so in WCW would have been cool AF, but career wise, He was smart to stay in WWF.
Not really Shawn was gone from the company soon after bret due to back injury and was a none factor during stone cold era. And returned after wcw was gone, he would of made a good chunk of money had he went to wcw and he would be a top draw and protected by hall and Nash
Shawn Michaels in WCW with Kevin Nash and Scott Hall would have been very fun to see that during the Monday Night Wars and maybe even seeing a Shawn Michaels vs DDP match would have been awesome . Also the backstage politics , drama and egos would have been a total shit show
Now that J.R. is doing a podcast with Conrad, I'm curious to hear how that meeting between Shawn and Vince went from his point of view.
Shawn went an told daddy...awww
Sugar Daddy
The guy talking Prichard sounds like Jim Ross, straight up!
Thats Conrad DingleSniffer.
he absolutely does
So these were two grown ass men who are Alphas for a living.... and this is the greatest backstage fight of all time.... the best part and highlight of the fight was one man pulling the other man by the hair.... pulling hair so violently that he pulled hair out.... I would keep this story a secret.. what the fuck
Bischoff never wanted him. Didn’t he say that a middle school blue belt had a better side kick than Michaels
He was also a shithead who helped bankrupt the company and was described by someone as affable as Kevin Nash as a "used car salesman".
Having said that, I wouldn't employ Shawn either. Magnificent worker, but a total and utter cunt, liar and duplicitous backstabber.
Affable? You mean the dickhead that became booker booked himself to end goldberg's streak and then follow up with a finger poke of doom loss? Right.
Yeah he also said mick Foley winning the wwe title would not sell any tickets. Then he never won the ratings again and the company folded. So I’d take anything he says with a grain of salt.
WCW never went bankrupt. AOL-Time Warner took Turner out of power and didn’t want wrestling on their networks.
Nash wasn’t the booker when Goldberg lost the title. Bischoff made that call because the streak had gotten stale and there was no one left for Goldberg to beat.
FPOD happened because Hogan wanted the title back and Goldberg was getting booed.
Nitro had been losing the ratings since October (with Goldberg as champ). Foley didn’t win the title until January.
Nitro ratings went UP after Foley and the FPOD. They didn’t drop off until 4 months later when Goldberg, Hogan, Lugar, and Hall were all out injured. The nwo dissolved. Jericho left for WWF. And WCW changed their logo and set trying to mimic WWF.
Yea right lol at that time Eric wouldve done anything to sign shawn
My 11 year old self was at that Mobile, AL RAW you mentioned.
We could of had hbk vs pillman
Donny Tez the Pill man stole his 😀
Donny Tez the Pill man stole his 😀
could have had it in wwf
I was going to say I just reached that clip. he wasn't slurring his words. Just pissing Brett off.
Can't find this episode. Just Shawn's 93 and 95 years
Which episode is all this information from? I would like to listen to the whole thing. Thanks
I remember that promo in Jose Lothario's house. You can see Shawn's pupils dilated and his upper lip shifting all over the place.
This guy sounds like JR
God Damn could you imagine if they had the foresight to record the boys backstage? We could release hours upon hours of this stuff. Same with wcw. Nash and Hall around this time were intentionally trying to get fired. I feel like Vince probably was blocking his office door witb a chair or a couch some days managing a bunch of this shit. Its a miracle his heart didnt give out from stress on a week to week basis with people all running around with their own drama, bullshit opinions, and the fights. It sounds like the fucking wild west.
Good. No crappy intro.
HBK is a top 10 performer all time , and on anybodys list. However him getting to lose his smile to avoid Bret match/job maybe was bs. Met him in 92 and he had that superstar feel but was still nice to me despite 1000 people in line......milford ct.
LooseCan88 top 10? Top 1. He’s the GOAT
Bischoff felt that he would not have known what to do with Shawn, but listen to Kevin Sullivan. Sullivan even said, had they had shawn, that would've been the end of wwe, and even said he would've let shawn DO WHAT HE WANTED meaning creative control like hogan, because like Sullivan said- this guy has the best matches, so how do you tell someone whom has the best matches what to do? And to think how Shawn would've gone there and had the match that didn't happen in wwe- HBK VS MACHO MAN! = money. Shawn was more money than bret. just think about the possibilities
Shawn vs Macho Man = MONEY
Shawn Vs Ric Flair = MONEY
Shawn Vs EDDIE GUERRERO (dream match #2 = money)
Shawn vs Chris Benoit = dream match # 3 = MONEY
SHAWN MICHAELS vs STING = MONEY
Shawn michaels vs BOOKER T = MONEY
and he can do yet another ladder match against - SCOTT HALL = money!
Shawn Vs Jericho = money
those were possibilities wcw could've done without even having HOGAN involved and all being match of the year Canditates
Bret was on a different level and what bret wanted was to go right to face HOgan, for the title, and wcw denied that and put bret on the sidelines because hogan wasn't having anything to do with it. And again I love bret dearly and he is one of the best but those matches listed the only money matches bret would've had from that list was Bret Vs Flair and Bret vs Sting. WHich had already happened. After that there was nothing much else to do with bret. Shawn had those possibilities, Vince knew that, that's why vince made that choice to let bret go over shawn when Shawn was the one that wanted to go and bret didn't. Especially that match with MACHO MAN that vince FORBIDDED to have there was no way vince was going to let shawn go over bret.
Alex Melendez Bret vs Flair would be better than Shawn vs Flair.
Bret vs Benoit was money!
Bret vs Jericho would have been money!
Bret vs Guerrero would have been money!
Bret vs Booker would have been money!
Bret vs Sting; Bret vs Luger; Bret vs Savage; Bret vs Rey!
I'm a HUGE Bret fan. Every wrestler than wrestled Shawn and Bret had a better match with Bret.
Shawn was never money. Unbelievable performer, but dont get it twisted
I disagree with Kevin Sullivan. It's not like the male stripper was drawing a dime in WWF at the time. He was a great performer but never that over. Had WWF lost him, it would have been difficult but they would have rebounded.
To me Shawn and Bret are basically equals, all those dream matches you listed with HBK, are still dream matches with Bret in there instead.
Well fucking said they got a dud in Bret cry baby Hart lol nvr heard so much sence well said
I loved HBK as kid hearing all these stories about him makes me want ask my kid self what I saw in him
The talent. You can't deny the talent
The Greatest Sports Entertainer Of All Time!
A kid goes after his instincts. What you think is all gossiped behind your back?!???
The only thing mattering is his History/Legacy! In ring, on mic. Screw em haters! There cannot be 30 guys on top! Bret had his shot early 90s, he didn't bring it. There was someone better, younger, more charismatic in the locker room! So the show moves on. As with any athletes else being succeded.
1:15 It was in a book dude. Bret's book, to be specific.
Its funny how Pritchard always sides on the idea of making Vince McMahon company-guys.
cause he is a smart man, think about it. Bury them and they erase or not use you.
Soooooo you're going to side up with hmmmm Bret when that is worth zero verse side up with Vince who always takes him back $$$$$$. I would also.
I noticed they are reading from Brets' book, but not from Shawns' . I'd love to see the comparisons
I was at that raw in Hartford awesome
To have been in the room with Shawn and Austin drinking all day before that promo…haha
I've heard/read contradicting reports on when Vince told Bret he won't be able to honor the contract. Here, I hear June, on another vid, I hear September.
Fight Fiend Miggs Two different conversations. The one mentioned in this video is one where Vince wanted to restructure. In September, a follow-up conversation where Vince told Bret he couldn’t honor the contract, and to see if Bischoff would still give him the original contract. Vince told Bret he would keep their meeting secret so that it wouldn’t mess up a deal with WCW. Bret ended up getting the deal he wanted from Bischoff.
Good for Bret.
I'm starting to think the back thing wasn't real. Seems like WWE paid him to stay home and not go to WCW because they could run with Austin, Mankind, Rock. Had he gone to WCW with Bret there and had a rematch from Survivor Series it'd be game over for WWF
Both were at fault but Bret was the instigator?
Yeah, cuz Shawn Michaels isnt the kind of guy to ALWAYS be the instigator!
Bret wanted to be the boss. Bret should have beem fired for insubordination before the screwjob.
@@BigEvan96 Insubordination regarding what?
@@dildonius Bret was a worker bro. When you're a worker it doesn't matter if you're the Undertaker. If the boss says drop the belt, you drop the belt. Bret wanted to be the boss when he had no grounds for being the boss. It's not really the "screwjob". It's Vince making an example out of Bret for insubordination. The good thing about wrestling is that personal problems generate revenue. This was a double edged sword for the WWE.
@@BigEvan96 Yeah because Shawn was the model employee. How many times has Vince told Shawn to lose to Bret and he refused, "insubordination" and "wanted to be the boss"? Bruce Pritchard is that you?
@southerncajuncharm Well he's not. He practically perfect.
1997 was Steve Austin's year and it was clear that he was the heir apparent to the throne. The time for Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels had passed.
And that's the bottom line.....
WCW Nitro was a rated R / MA show for adults compared to WWE Raw right now... My parents used to think WCW was too violent. And the drama during the shows felt very real, unlike today. It didn't seem like they were trying to be kid friendly. Only thing that was missing was the puppies and blood (which came later in 99)
Other than that the drama and wrestling looked real. WCW never would say it was entertainment. This was also before everyone had internet so most kids believed it was all real that it wasn't just a show
Bold One hb gay would of been a job guy in wcw. Little guys didn’t cut it in wcw brotherrrrrrr
@Bold One Shawn and the whole dx thing was Vince trying to create his own stable on par with the nWo and if you notice in 97, wrestling was stable crazy. Nod, Hart foundation, Los boricuas, DOA, DX. That was Vince trying to find something to stick and catch fire like nWo.
Bret helped make Austin a star Steve says it himself that was his greatest match
I wonder if I called Titan and did the Corny impression if they would think it's Bruce fucking around 🤔
Shawn would have backed out of a lawsuit against WWF. It's one thing for the company to know he was a pill-head, but quite another for it to come out in a public forum. WWF would have creamed him on his lifestyle choices contributing to an unsafe work environment.
no they wouldnt use that because that would show that wwe knew and let him do pills
90s HBK in WCW would have been insane, he'd have probably died but as long as he wasn't treated like Bret Hart in WCW and was given a Hall and Nash position and personally Id take him and give him Hogans spot, but it would have been crazy
It’s a what if situation…
What if Vince had fired Shawn again (after the first time with Jannetty)? What would’ve become of The HeartBreak Kid? Would there have been the show stopper, the icon, the main event? Most likely not… WCW did not know how to run a wrestling program, and as others have said he would’ve ended up in the cruiserweight division and never been on top again.
What if Vince had fired Shawn? I would go on a limb and say his Wikipedia wouldn’t say IS it would say WAS
It’s funny that Conrad pointed out the sniff Bruce did cause coke was the first thing that went through my head 😂
I was a wcw guy. I would have loved hbk on turner tv
Why couldn’t they reschedule that. Match. Pullman vs Michaels
What podcast episode is this clip from?
No idea what they would of Done with HBK on wcw put him in the nwo obviously but his ego at the time wouldn't let him be a number 2 to Hogan
Hogan would put him in his place just like he did at SummerSlam.
People like to hype up HBK but he really was a small fry not on the levels of a Hogan, Austin, Rock, Bret, Cena
Shawn vs Bret: best work ever
Glad he didn't make the switch at that time. WWF needed all the help they could get back then. Switching companies doesnt always work, Bret Hart for example.
So much drama in the 90s lol
"He had a contract in his clause" lol
Was Shawn a draw? His best friends left the company when they knew Shawn was going to be “the guy”
Look at Shawn up there. How was any straight guy supposed to get behind him?
Jesus fuck, imagine the power struggle between the Kliq and Hogan backstage?
Staying with the wwe was the best decision shawn did. With the politics there and guys like hogan/flair running wcw shawn's career would die there in a few months.
I think I'd actually pay to see a shoot fight between Bret and Shawn in 1996.
“Not that I know of”...”Absolutely not”. Can’t be both. Perfect example of a “Prichard-ism.”
The Artful Dodger
The dude is a company man through and through. One of Vince's most loyal and obedient Yes-Men.
They should caught it on tape
Shawn Michaels probably wanted to move to Atlanta to be with all his homeboys.
Clifton Smith that is exactly the reason for it. It was said at the beginning of this video and Shawn has said it a million times
Clearly
I didn't realize Shawn Michaels was a fake name
Bruce saying Shawn wasn't screwed up because he himself was screwed up and was like I was more screwed then him so no he was fine.
man I wished that fight didn't happen knowing now he was supposed to fight pillman 1 of the greats n I guarantee that match would of been a dq with pillman status trying to get a push vs stone cold ,but pillman was more hooked on pills then anybody
Pat Patterson should have put a pair of his crappy underware over HBK's head. It would look cute.
10:56 LoL ahahahaha
Going to WCW would have been a real mistake, they would not have handled and crafted his legacy like the WWF/WWE have done.
It would've been really hard not to laugh at Sean Michaels, slamming his clump of hair onto Vince's desk. Lol!
Rumour and innuendo
More pro Shawn anti Bret...
Funny that you don't admit that Shawn got his butt whooped.
Hate to break this to u but it's fake.
Arnie dlC pussy boy shawn got his ass whooped hard hahahaha bitch
The truth is Bret and Shawn had a bitch fight, pulling each other's hair, wrestlers that broke it up said they crashed through a fake wall, and they pulled each others hair, then it was over, not much of a fight, huh, anyone out there that can tell me different, I like to know.
Funny that you don't admit that Bret cheated on his wife multiple times making him a hypocrite of the highest order.
wayne clark He got his hair pulled out. That's hardly an ass whooping.
Sounds like The Bret won the shoot fight.
Does anyone wish WCW was still around ????? Bret Hart would destroy Shawn Micheals in a real fight
No sh*t captain obvious
And that's when the plan to oust Bret began
Can only see working in WCW as a Rocker.
If Hogan and Michaels were together in WCW some how there egos would have led to world war 3
they were in wwe together so maybe not
@@jakelang806 Shawn was never a star when hulk was there in the first round. And they barely engaged In 2002 to 2006 run and obviously mellowed out with age
This would have been Shawn's career had he left to wcw:
-show up acting like he's at odds with the nwo
-joins the nwo at the next ppv
-gets kicked out of the nwo (face turn)
-turns heel, joins nwo again
-turns face, leaves nwo again
-turns heel, joins nwo again
-turns face, leaves nwo again
-repeat process until Vince buys wcw
Well Bret got a good money deal in wcw but it also ruined his career which sucks
Of course bruce was in the office when shawn came in..1st time I heard that smh
With all of these "Doesn't work for me Brother" comments about Hogan i really wish Hogan would come back and someone would weave this into an actual storyline where some heel faction decides to just piss off the fans by putting the belt on Hogan AGAIN and then going out of their way to defend him and prevent anyone from taking it lol
Each week they'd taunt the fans about how no one is getting the belt off of Hogan anytime soon and Hogan could go full heel and embrace the whole "Doesn't work for me Brother" and make it into a shirt or something lol
Idea is that Hogan isn't actually wrestling (because he's too old and it would be silly) he's just showing up and the other guys are doing the work for him and getting a kick out of just angering the smart marks lol
Dubya cee dubya
A lot of these wrestlers need to be reminded exactly how it was when there were the territories.
Maybe that needs to come back so they can start that way.
Might fix the complaining about making only $200k a year or the bus is not fancy enough the hotel is only 3 star not 5.
If you want professional athlete money and attention then you should have gone and been a professional athlete be damm glad they feed you now and your not living on a loaf of bread.
If you look up Vince net worth then. He had enough money! But " I DONT GIVE GUARANTEES! I GIVE OPPORTUNITIES! YEAH TO GREEN HORNS! BUT TO PROVEN TALENT! VINCE WAS AND IS GREEDY!
Stacy Johnston i like eggs
That's not actual money he has on the bank idiot.
Net worth doesn't mean actual cash on hand.
I got beat up for swinging on someone. This is unsafe for me.
Is any truth to the rumor that Vince made Cornette chase HBK all over the building with Shawn's clumps of hair in one hand and a bottle of super glue in the other, in an attempt to cover up HBKs bald spot?
8:42 Mother F#@$er! lol
It's not crazy if they own the name
If hbk went to wcw there
B a new leader of nwo old hogan gone hbk in wat a fucking faction the oringal wolfpack
Bruce never wants to talk numbers, I wonder why?
It would have stopped him being rehired by wwe
it's known that shawn was making near 750 K while Bret was getting over a mil due to the bidding war.