I remember using a shinai in some of the sparring videos raised a few eyebrows, but I don't think anyone has a problem with the Bokken. :) I think one thing people want to see is more protective headgear though. Some of the weapons you spar against have the potential to penetrate a kendo mask, which is quite dangerous. Stay safe out there and keep on making great content!
Interesting almost identical, in each case, down to the frame (1/30th of a second). I suspect this is because the practitioner has a speed at which they have trained to move with fully integrated and correct coordination, and I suspect this speed was ingrained with a sword close to the weight and handling dynamics of the real katana. The result of this would be motion that would not necessarily be faster with the lighter bokken. The other possibility is the added weight of a katana being negligible for someone trained in kenjutsu. The latter suggests that there could be an ideal sword weight for a practitioner, one which sacrifices no speed/timing and yet has the greatest authority in action.
As somebody who has a Bokken and does indeed train with it (for training purposes only) I can assure you Bokkens are not as easy to use or practice with like how it's displayed and shown in the video. They are made from solid and polished wood making them MUCH more heavier then the katana, like I had to train my arms up more just to use it. If you want to train with weapons and your ideal is the Bokken or Katana I would recommend starting with smaller and easier weapons such as Sais, Karmas, Tonfas or Kali Sticks. Starting with these weapons can help strengthen your arms immensely before going for more heavier weapons like the Bokken or even the Katana. Take this advice from somebody who has done 14 years of Martial arts and has done four years of training with weapons.
@@svenhurlimann1099 actually.... they weren't sticks. I feel like I didn't word it correctly, Bokkens yes they do have added weight and are probably abit lighter then the katana its self(most martial art weapon props usually are a tad bit lighter then the actual weapons) but that's only when your holding them, the real weight comes when your actively using it. You have to put at least some force into actually moving it(and if your short like me, and not fall over or loose your balance, I'm 5'1) and even now after like say 20-30 minutes roughly, training with a bokken or even Kali sticks for that matter, my arms will always still be aching and shaking by the end of it, you can laugh its okay. Just know everybody can have physical differences that can affect what they train in or what they train with.
The typical bokken used in kendo is between 500g and 600g, koryu bokken may vary. An Edo period katana will usually range between 800g and 1600g. Perhaps you are using a suburitou? Those can be 1kg to 2kg.
Jamás he oído de ninguna espada real que pese menos de un kilo (soy historiador). Ni siquiera un iaito pesaría tan poco, pero a lo mejor hay iaitos (de níquel, no hierro ni acero) que sí pesan así de poco, ya que las espadas de HEMA tienden a pesar menos de un kilo también.
@@guillemtortajada4588 entonces la mía esta mal hecha ya que cuando me llegó la pese, me pareció raro debido a que tenía entendido que la Uchi-katana no pesaba tanto, pero al final me es mejor ya que así me acostumbro a un peso mayor al regular. Ahora, si que hubieron espadas de más de un kilo, los mandobles alemanes, escocés, y algunos Nodachi. Por lo que si hubieron espadas de más de un kilo de peso, no eran regulares pero si existieron.
@@VictorGarcia-qk3dn Sí, o sea: las espadas "auténticas" (de acero y cortantes) suelen superar el kilo y medio, pero en artes marciales (en HEMA por ejemplo) las réplicas que utilizan incluso siendo de acero sin filo pesan a veces menos de un kilo por razones de practicidad, para que no sea tan duro entrenar con ellas (sobre todo me refiero a ropera y espada bastarda, los mandobles y espadas muy largas obviamente sí pesan más incluso de práctica). Por lo que respecta a espadas japonesas, normalmente superan también el kilo y medio si son auténticas y cuando son iaito (espadas de práctica sin filo para iaido etc) intentan otorgarle un peso lo más similar posible para que sea más auténtico. Qué quiere decir esto? Que si la tuya pesa menos probablemente esté hecha con otra aleación de hierro y carbono diferente a la que se utiliza normalmente, no es "tradicional" pero te puede servir igual de bien para practicar (yo por ejemplo entreno con bokken y shinai porque soy flojo xd)
It depends on the person not the weapon. A stronger person can swing a katana very easily and fast, someone more on the smaller side would swing a wooden sword faster.
No that's not how physics works. Heavier will always be slower. Yes some people can be faster than others, but everyone will be faster using something lighter.
@@YasukeUchiha No you are completely misunderstanding how things work. If someone could swing something heavy fast, they can swing something lighter even faster. It's that simple.
@@bobtehdinosaur I’ve seen buff humans not able to use a light weapon fast and effective due to lack of training and have seen small fragile looking guys use heavy stuff effectively. Again you underestimate humans. Just say you don’t know weapons, martial arts and anything to do with humans and move on. And one major hole in your “theory” can you throw a rock faster or a feather.
사용한 금속 소재에 따라 또 달라질수 있고 혈조등을 사용해서 경량화를 한걸수도 있고.... 그리고 끽해봐야 1~1.2kg 사이일텐데 그것들로 해도 영상과 거의 비슷하게 가능해요 검도를 배워본 사람들은 알겠지만 팔힘만으로 휘두르는게 아니라서 무게중심 이동시키는 메커니즘을 사용하는거라 더 무거운 소진목검도 저런 속도로 가능해져요 소진목검은 보통 고단자나 선수들 기준이지만 ㅋㅋ;
While they build strength and endurance, they can also develop bad habits such as cutting from the arms (rather than from the hara). Niten ichi-ryu makes a point of using spatula thin bokuto (350g-400g) because the believe that it better teaches correct edge alignment, I also suspect that it allows them to train their kata with more realism due to injury reduction.
Yes but it's the grade of injury that counts since a punch or a wrong hit of a regular shinai can also cause injury, that doesn't mean the injury is severe, in this case I have no idea but I would think a heavier, steel material can hit significantly harder (again, I'm no expert in sword making)
@@hizumiiiii4087 thanks for your reply. I agree. Heavier steel takes more energy to swing, not mention more strength to wield and depending on the strength of the individual they may not as much harm as one might. They might just hurt themselves trying to swing it. I have some experience with from working out with weights that are designed for swinging.
@@guyblew1733 ah, you mean like arm injuries to themselves from using too much force? I don't think that will be a problem, as long as they're careful and don't use them if they feel it's too heavy it shouldn't pose any risk. And I think 900g is a normal weight for a katana, especially if you're experienced like (I think) they are. (And just as a side note, we at kendo practice to swing a sword with as little effort possible, might be the same for kenjutsu)
@@hizumiiiii4087 yes, using to much force. 900g is not that heavy. I was think more on the lines of people who into fantasy weapons and using them. I don't think Japanese weapons get much over 900g, but Europian weapons do.
there is a permit system for the possession of swords in Korea, Therefore, individuals cannot import swords made of iron, In Korea, there are few organizations that operate like Hema.
I remember using a shinai in some of the sparring videos raised a few eyebrows, but I don't think anyone has a problem with the Bokken. :) I think one thing people want to see is more protective headgear though. Some of the weapons you spar against have the potential to penetrate a kendo mask, which is quite dangerous. Stay safe out there and keep on making great content!
well put
Interesting almost identical, in each case, down to the frame (1/30th of a second). I suspect this is because the practitioner has a speed at which they have trained to move with fully integrated and correct coordination, and I suspect this speed was ingrained with a sword close to the weight and handling dynamics of the real katana. The result of this would be motion that would not necessarily be faster with the lighter bokken. The other possibility is the added weight of a katana being negligible for someone trained in kenjutsu. The latter suggests that there could be an ideal sword weight for a practitioner, one which sacrifices no speed/timing and yet has the greatest authority in action.
Have fun, protect yourselves!
Bokken is slightly faster but the Katana has more follow through and heft to it, naturally.
Have you had a chance to see the sigi or akado steel sparring katana versions made in recent years?
I wish that either, a: the forms were longer or b. there was a precise timer. The end is that they are VERY similar.
You might want to check out the sparring safe steel Katana made by Black Fencer
awesome
make sure the sword is blunt (not sharp) for safety.
And has a rounded tip
I'm sure they will be taking the appropriate precautions.
@@AbdullahA-wo6be
they are smart and well-trained martial artist sword masters.... but... they are also content creators, so they may do stupid stuff.
oh really
As somebody who has a Bokken and does indeed train with it (for training purposes only) I can assure you Bokkens are not as easy to use or practice with like how it's displayed and shown in the video.
They are made from solid and polished wood making them MUCH more heavier then the katana, like I had to train my arms up more just to use it.
If you want to train with weapons and your ideal is the Bokken or Katana I would recommend starting with smaller and easier weapons such as Sais, Karmas, Tonfas or Kali Sticks. Starting with these weapons can help strengthen your arms immensely before going for more heavier weapons like the Bokken or even the Katana. Take this advice from somebody who has done 14 years of Martial arts and has done four years of training with weapons.
Dude your arms must have been sticks if a bokken was too heavy for you
@@svenhurlimann1099 actually.... they weren't sticks. I feel like I didn't word it correctly, Bokkens yes they do have added weight and are probably abit lighter then the katana its self(most martial art weapon props usually are a tad bit lighter then the actual weapons) but that's only when your holding them, the real weight comes when your actively using it.
You have to put at least some force into actually moving it(and if your short like me, and not fall over or loose your balance, I'm 5'1) and even now after like say 20-30 minutes roughly, training with a bokken or even Kali sticks for that matter, my arms will always still be aching and shaking by the end of it, you can laugh its okay.
Just know everybody can have physical differences that can affect what they train in or what they train with.
The typical bokken used in kendo is between 500g and 600g, koryu bokken may vary. An Edo period katana will usually range between 800g and 1600g.
Perhaps you are using a suburitou?
Those can be 1kg to 2kg.
That's on the very light end for a katana. I thought the average was around 1200g?
Usually theyre made of carbon steel not iron
👍🏻
Bokken can be a dangerous weapon
🙂
900 gramos la de metal?
O esa espada es muy ligera o la mía (de 1, 5 Kg) es muy pesada.
Jamás he oído de ninguna espada real que pese menos de un kilo (soy historiador). Ni siquiera un iaito pesaría tan poco, pero a lo mejor hay iaitos (de níquel, no hierro ni acero) que sí pesan así de poco, ya que las espadas de HEMA tienden a pesar menos de un kilo también.
@@guillemtortajada4588 entonces la mía esta mal hecha ya que cuando me llegó la pese, me pareció raro debido a que tenía entendido que la Uchi-katana no pesaba tanto, pero al final me es mejor ya que así me acostumbro a un peso mayor al regular.
Ahora, si que hubieron espadas de más de un kilo, los mandobles alemanes, escocés, y algunos Nodachi. Por lo que si hubieron espadas de más de un kilo de peso, no eran regulares pero si existieron.
@@VictorGarcia-qk3dn Sí, o sea: las espadas "auténticas" (de acero y cortantes) suelen superar el kilo y medio, pero en artes marciales (en HEMA por ejemplo) las réplicas que utilizan incluso siendo de acero sin filo pesan a veces menos de un kilo por razones de practicidad, para que no sea tan duro entrenar con ellas (sobre todo me refiero a ropera y espada bastarda, los mandobles y espadas muy largas obviamente sí pesan más incluso de práctica).
Por lo que respecta a espadas japonesas, normalmente superan también el kilo y medio si son auténticas y cuando son iaito (espadas de práctica sin filo para iaido etc) intentan otorgarle un peso lo más similar posible para que sea más auténtico. Qué quiere decir esto? Que si la tuya pesa menos probablemente esté hecha con otra aleación de hierro y carbono diferente a la que se utiliza normalmente, no es "tradicional" pero te puede servir igual de bien para practicar (yo por ejemplo entreno con bokken y shinai porque soy flojo xd)
It depends on the person not the weapon. A stronger person can swing a katana very easily and fast, someone more on the smaller side would swing a wooden sword faster.
No that's not how physics works. Heavier will always be slower. Yes some people can be faster than others, but everyone will be faster using something lighter.
@@bobtehdinosaur you underestimate humans. It depends on the individual not the weapon. If you know you know.
It is your body that moves, with correct body mechanics the additional mass is almost negligible.
@@YasukeUchiha No you are completely misunderstanding how things work. If someone could swing something heavy fast, they can swing something lighter even faster. It's that simple.
@@bobtehdinosaur I’ve seen buff humans not able to use a light weapon fast and effective due to lack of training and have seen small fragile looking guys use heavy stuff effectively. Again you underestimate humans. Just say you don’t know weapons, martial arts and anything to do with humans and move on. And one major hole in your “theory” can you throw a rock faster or a feather.
진검이 900g이요? 일반적인 육각도의 무게 보다 좀 가벼운것 같은데... 제가 잘못 알고 있나요?
사용한 금속 소재에 따라 또 달라질수 있고 혈조등을 사용해서 경량화를 한걸수도 있고....
그리고 끽해봐야 1~1.2kg 사이일텐데 그것들로 해도 영상과 거의 비슷하게 가능해요
검도를 배워본 사람들은 알겠지만 팔힘만으로 휘두르는게 아니라서 무게중심 이동시키는 메커니즘을 사용하는거라 더 무거운 소진목검도 저런 속도로 가능해져요
소진목검은 보통 고단자나 선수들 기준이지만 ㅋㅋ;
저기서 보여준건 진검이 아니라 대련에 쓸만한 철검 아닌가요?
@@Volya224 오른쪽 하단에 Real Katana (Made of Iron, 900g)이라고 적혀있습니다.
@@Vergil06 아뇨 저는 그냥 속도 이야기 한게 아니라, 무게가 가볍다고요.
속도야 충분히 가능한거 다 알죠.
@@조동균-k7t 당연히 900g 진검도 있죠. 카타나가 무슨 공장에서 찍듯 반드시 정해진 무게로만 만들어지나요. 조금만 생각해봐도 당연한 건데.....
I wonder why training with a suburi-to isn't more common.
While they build strength and endurance, they can also develop bad habits such as cutting from the arms (rather than from the hara). Niten ichi-ryu makes a point of using spatula thin bokuto (350g-400g) because the believe that it better teaches correct edge alignment, I also suspect that it allows them to train their kata with more realism due to injury reduction.
Miyamoto Musashi killed a lot of people with a bokken
Wow ur pu bokken weight only 500g?? Mine 1kg
The Katana is faster but, both can cause injury.
Yes but it's the grade of injury that counts since a punch or a wrong hit of a regular shinai can also cause injury, that doesn't mean the injury is severe, in this case I have no idea but I would think a heavier, steel material can hit significantly harder (again, I'm no expert in sword making)
@@hizumiiiii4087 thanks for your reply. I agree. Heavier steel takes more energy to swing, not mention more strength to wield and depending on the strength of the individual they may not as much harm as one might. They might just hurt themselves trying to swing it. I have some experience with from working out with weights that are designed for swinging.
@@guyblew1733 ah, you mean like arm injuries to themselves from using too much force? I don't think that will be a problem, as long as they're careful and don't use them if they feel it's too heavy it shouldn't pose any risk. And I think 900g is a normal weight for a katana, especially if you're experienced like (I think) they are. (And just as a side note, we at kendo practice to swing a sword with as little effort possible, might be the same for kenjutsu)
@@hizumiiiii4087 yes, using to much force. 900g is not that heavy. I was think more on the lines of people who into fantasy weapons and using them. I don't think Japanese weapons get much over 900g, but Europian weapons do.
@@guyblew1733 that's true, many people can't handle swords but try to without any guidance, that can indeed cause problems.
Nice, only steel is real ;)
Is there a good producer of safe but also enduring Steel for sword blades in your country?
there is a permit system for the possession of swords in Korea,
Therefore, individuals cannot import swords made of iron, In Korea, there are few organizations that operate like Hema.
Two handed saber... Kriegmesser still better