The WORST Doctor Who Fan Theory
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- Some Doctor Who theories should never see the light of day, but this is by far the most annoying...
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It's a possible theory...but it makes no sense that the Doctor would go off and do something return and tell Rose it travels in time, thankfully i don't interact with the Doctor Who fandom as much as others do, I love the show but i like to stay out of discussions surrounding it. I think the worst fan theory is David Tennant will be the 14th Doctor, it's dumb,i'd be all for it (But NO)
i think you are being more pedantic, but also right so its excused
Having the one adventure in that scene that uses the scene as a framing device works. After years of grieving alone from the time war, the doctor is at a point where they're ready to consider a companion. Rose is the first person to get that offer, turns it down, doctor goes off on another adventure with a temporary companion who encourages them to go back, they do so, mentioning the time travel element as an extra incentive and the rest is history. Putting multiple adventures in that gap just doesn't make sense
I personally thought the gap was him going to the events of the 50th anniversary and then returning to see if he could change roses mind
@@couthlazer he- he wasn't in the 50th-
@@littleredruri well stock footage was from his last episode of him saying. And for my next trick
Exactly, like Exhausted Supplies did
Edit: nvm that was in the video lol
@@couthlazer I feel like the point of the gap was to be interpreted it through feeling or canon.
I've always liked the idea that the 9th Doctor was hundreds of years in that incarnation. I Always thought that the photographs from the website proved that as he had been in the same form for so many years throughout history that people actually started noticing him.
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It was confirmed in the day of the doctor that the war doctor was around 800 at the time of his regeneration. 11 stated that he was "1200 and something" and the war doctor says that 11 was 400 years older than himself.
So since 9 stated that he was 900 in early season 1. So 9 lived for atleast 100 years before regenerating into 10
@@powderedbasil2322 Sorry, but the last sentence is just wrong. The time between 9 and 10 are a couple of years at most. Even when 10 regenerates into 11 he's still around 906-907. The massive age difference is mainly due to the age skip and time jumps that happen during the series 6 finale. Also in the first episode of series 6 when the doctor meets up with river and the ponds, he states that he's 1108, while amy states that the last time they met he was still 908.
@@Amihan213 How is the last sentence wrong? We've established that the war doctor is 400 years younger than the 1200 year old eleventh doctor, meaning War was 800 years old. At the end of Day of the Doctor War regenerates, meaning that unless they spent 100 years drinking tea after saving Gallifrey War was still 800 years old when he regenerated, which makes nine 800 years old at the start of his life. If the ninth and tenth doctors state multiple times during series 1-4 that they are 900 years old then that means the ninth doctor had lived 100 years of his life before meeting Rose.
@@powderedbasil2322 I hate to break it to you but the Doctor's age has never followed any level of continuity, the Doctor himself states that he lies, and on multiple occasions says he doesn't even know his age anymore. None of these references mean anything.
I like the idea that it was a few hours before he realized "oh shoot i forgot to mention the time travel bit"
I can totally could see that for the 9th.
I think it’d make sense if The Doctor left for like, a week or something. Gives him time to decide to come back, and I can imagine him practicing the “and it also travels in time” line a few time
Yeah I think it'd be funny
No, the worst fan theory is that Tecteun was Jackie Tyler’s first babysitter
thats so fucking dumb but I love it
sorry what
@@electricpants8194 Ianto was buried 456 feet underground because of a government mandate
@@DigiRangerScott what does that have to do with tecteun and jackie. im seeing 0 connection.
@@electricpants8194 It’s a separate theory
The Tardis can't even hit the broadside of an August Bank Holiday and people think he managed to park in the exact same place 15 seconds later after a century of rattling about?
The Tardis is always on time and where the Tardis knows the Doctor needs to be.
The TARDIS always takes her thief where they NEED to be
Fast-return protocol?
Wait no what an idiot it returns to the last landing location
@@Halfendymion 100 years is fast?
My biggest problem with this theory is that it ruins the doctors arc through series one. The reason series one works so well is because we see the jaded man that the doctor has become, and we see how rose softens that. In his big finish sets, he’s much more chipper and you don’t get nearly as much of that feeling of the kind man with a deep rage built up inside of him. If all of this stuff happened in that one moment, it wouldn’t make sense for his character journey. In my mind, his expanded universe stuff takes place between the doctor dances and boom town, and he dropped jack and rose off somewhere and went off on his own. He’s more chipper because he’s had his “everybody lives” moment. It doesn’t really have evidence beyond that, but it makes way more sense than having the doctor leave rose for so long, just to come back with no difference in his look, characterization, or anything like that
Yeah, post S1 or towards the end of S1 is the only way to read Big Finish 9. Eccleston seems to be in a better place physically and that impacts his performance. To me, it's post Parting of the Ways Eccleston, even if there's no logistical or canon explanation, that's just how I read the character.
Probably because one of the reasons Eccleston left doctor who was that they wanted to be a less serious more family friendly doctor
@@thevacuumofcomments2946 yeah they really feel like stories that would be from a second series with eccleston. I think if them as being pre-boom town because it’s the latest it could possibly be without contradicting anything (I think)
@@archusrtm6325 I’ve never heard of that? You got a source buddy?
But he is so "fantastic" and smiling in "Rose" and another episodes before and after "Dalek".
My theory for this is as simple as after The War Doctor served in the Time War and ended up regenerating into the 9th Doctor, he had at-least a few hundred years spent to himself exploring the now saved universe and he simply didn't notice his new regeneration as he covered up his PTSD while he went on adventures. He simply went around the universe trying to recover, helping where he could not even worrying about himself as he was constantly busy helping restore the universe. When Rose pulls him into her flat, it was the first time he actually slowed down and took a breather to notice where he was after we saw him scavenging around constantly for the Nestine Consciousness. It was the first time 9 met Rose (a pivotal point in history as it leads up to the Bad Wolf arc) which gave him a brief moment to take a deep breath before jumping straight back in.
I like adding to that idea that he consciously avoided looking at himself in a mirror for all that time because he couldn’t face himself for what he had done (or rather thought he had done), but then meeting Rose finally allowed him to start facing himself again.
I doubt that someone could go 100 years without seeing their reflection. Or feeling their face and noticing that they have kind of large ears
Eighth Doctor: I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there.
I always felt like between him leaving and coming back was when the events he’s pictured in take place, and he did it almost purposely to prove to Rose the time travel. I think he’s even looking towards the camera in every one, though I could be wrong. A bit like Martha and the tie.
But who knows. It makes more sense it would only be one adventure, if any.
There's also the good night/ bad night minisodes that show pretty clearly that the 11th doctor goes off and has extra adventures when his companions r asleep. I don't see why the 9 th doctor couldn't have done that too
I imagine the circle things on the wall are the doctors bedroom teleporters. Or it's a time tunnel slide.
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The doctors bedroom would have a wall filled them and I can just imagine a bunch of doctors walking in and out of the tunnels. Sometimes a bunch of the same iteration or a few past doctors. I think just as an idea it would be funny because if the doctor does sleep. Even if it's just for a bit there'd be a wobbly wobbly situation out of something as simple as going to sleep.
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I feel like the round things are multipurpose and the doctor forgot what they were originally meant to do since he just makes more through the tardis.
I can get behind the idea that The Doctor went off on some adventure during the gap and came back but their is no way he realistically would've gone on a significant number and still come back for Rose. It's not uncommon for The Doctor to meet people who he would realistically take on as companions and I have no doupt he'd have ran into someone else and forgotten about Rose. Just in Series 1 there is Lynda in Bad Wolf and Nancy from the Lonely Child, both of whom have the right character and chemistry to become a companion, if not for the fact that Lynda died and Nancy had a young child which the Doctor might not want to put in harms way (And yes, I'm aware the Doctor has had child companions but i'm pretty sure that in this case they'd be too young). Outside of series 1 I can think of a few more off the top of my head, those being Madame de Pompadour, Mrs. Moore and Astrid Peth.
I'm not saying that these characters whould've become companions had Rose not been in the picture but rather, the Doctor would've surely found someone interesting to be his companion on his adventures without Rose, and after his adventures with that companion, he wouldn't realistically see Rose any differently to the one off characters who helps him in other episides.
I think it could work for more than one story if he realizes Rose doesn’t know about the time travel but keeps getting sidetracked like the Fifth Doctor trying to get Teagan back to Heathrow. It still couldn’t work for more than five or so directly tied adventures but you’re right, you don’t really need it because there’s lots of off screen between the War Doctor and Series 1
But hey that's just a theory A who THEORY, okay I'll stop
No.
Don't stop.
I want to see where this is going!
I kinda like the idea at a base level, like, it would be neat if the 9th Doctor spent a short time by himself before realizing how much he wants a new companion to come with him, and going back to try again.
It’s the kind of mental argument that could take a full day or a few seconds
Also, the idea that he traveled back in time to tell her that it travels in time makes it more interesting.
To comment on him leaving in the middle of a Nestine mystery, maybe he thought the Autons were just a small group, scavengers and then while off on another adventure noticed a change in the timeline and realizes the Autons were a part of a much larger group then he presumed going back to finish the job of defeating them.
We know from the family of blood that the doctor only looks in the mirror once a year when baines does the monologue at the end saying that “he still visits my sister, once a year every year.” And because he trapped her in every mirror. Although this is regarding 10, we can assume that if anything, 9 would look in the mirror less that 1 time every year if he wasn’t “visiting” the daughter of the family at that point
I always accepted the fact he shoehorned himself into the evidence Clive found as proof he could time travel. Like a few quick trips to establish the time travel is real.
I didn't even know this theory existed until watching this video
As much as I love placing things on timelines, and as much as I hate gaping plot holes caused by timeline or continuity errors, there's such a thing as taking it too far. Sometimes with an IP that's so expansive and that has passed through so many hands, you just have to let go of perfect continuity and just go with the vibes. If a story is internally consistent, fits within its own story arc, with any directly referenced events, and passes the general vibe check, then it's fine.
It's like for example Children of Earth and (arguably) Miracle Day both work fine as standalone continuations of Torchwood, while the Moffat era works fine as a standalone continuation of Doctor Who. Does it really matter that neither can exist in the same universe given the timeline discrepancies? No! Because neither have any bearing on each other's plots or characters other than the dates happen to overlap. Also, you could argue that any discrepancies are caused by the universe rebooting, or by the cracks, or that they happened in diverging timelines, or by the TARDIS causing dents in spacetime, or by a retroactive ripple of the Flux, or because The Doctor is a living complicated spacetime event, or any number of other weird and wacky timey wimey explanations.
It's a show set in a multiverse where time travel is possible. Shit happens. Just go with the vibes. If you like it, it's canon, and if you don't then you can just wait a few years for someone to do a Chibnall and upend everything because it seemed like a good idea when he was 16.
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You aren’t alone with your hatred with this theory. Drives me up the wall just as much, love the fact you took the time to deconstruct why people theorised this and why it doesn’t work. The throwaway comment about his ears was for us, not about his recent regeneration.
But I digress, well done Harbo.
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100 years is too much. I can see maybe a year at the most. I can see him going on one and two adventures and then realizing, “I probably should’ve mentioned the Tardis can travel in time.”
Nowhere NEAR a hundred years.
Maybe he was being haunted by the Valeyard and it would make sense since the Valeyard is the darker side of the doctor 😊
If you only watch the TV show and don't consume the expanded media, the theory makes sense because it fixes a plot-hole in episode 1.
The doctor doesn't know what he looks like because he is newly regenerated. So at that point he is a new regen.
Later there are photos of him at the titanic etc. Without Rose.
The chances of him doing those adventures without looking in a mirror once (or have someone comment on his large ears) is very small. So these adventures happened later. But without Rose.
Where is a gap in the TV series where the doctor is in his tardis without Rose? Only that blip. After that he stays with her.
For all we know, Rose stayed on his mind for some reason (the rejection of the tardis offer staying in his mind) for many adventures. Or maybe one of the Clara time clone people hinted him back to her. But the idea that the doctor remembered her and went back several years later is more likely than the theory that the doctor (who is slightly vain in basically all regens) went years without looking in a mirror (until he met a random human woman).
If you go TV only, it has good logic.
It's only when you use expanded media does the theory break down
I find it so interesting what different people find important. For instance, it's very important to me that Nine is newly regenerated at the start of Rose, which you just throw casually under the bus as no longer a defensible position. It was clearly the intent of the original scene and, for me, to imagine otherwise makes his arc across series 1 not work as well. It's been my interpretation of that scene for 17 years, since I was 9, and I ain't changing it now.
"You're really telling me that this is the exact same person who is fresh off-" Yes. It's very clear to me that the Doctor as we see him in Rose is very freshly out of the Time War. I can imagine perhaps a couple of small adventures (like going to see the JFK assassination for instance) happening just before, but for me it's vital that this is him brand new and straight out of the war. Nine often uses humour to mask his grief and anger, so it isn't in any way strange to me that he acts the way he does in Rose.
With regards to when he goes on his solo adventures, I'm perfectly happy to accept he just dropped Rose and/or Jack off somewhere for a bit. I don't really care where extended universe things fit in, as I see those as semi-canon anyway and so TV canon always takes precedence when there are clashes, but for Clive's collection that works for me. (Or, as I said above, perhaps a couple of small things could have taken place directly before Rose, especially if we take the mirror smashing as fact.)
(Sidenote: "How often do you find yourself looking in a mirror and realising your nose is a bit bigger than you thought? Or that your eyes aren't the exact same size as each other?" Umm, never? Do people really not know what they look like? I don't think I'm particularly vain or insecure, either... Ah well.)
"It was clearly the intent of the original scene" This is from RTD himself: "No, I don't think he'd just regenerated. If you have certain physical features like big ears or buck teeth, you look at them and sigh every time you look in the mirror. And I think if you'd had eight different faces, even if you'd been in the current form for a hundred years, you'd still mutter at them. So it was meant as a nod to the fact he'd once had other faces. But I wrote the Titanic stuff and Krakatoa assuming that the Ninth Doctor had been around for a while. He doesn't act very post-regeneration, does he? He appears in command, waving a bomb. This is a man who knows himself, and has known himself for a while."
Also it’s implied in other incarnations like 11, that the Doctor continues to have adventures like with River for example, while their companions are sleeping. There a literally hundreds of better more acceptable times for adventures than then
This is the first time I’m hearing about this theory. The Doctor leaves, has a few adventures, comes back to a girl who he literally just met, and continues the conversation that he remembers… isn? Yeah this theory doesn’t make sense. If we were focused on the Doctor in the Tardis when leaving Earth, and seeing his expression, thinking about Rose, and not mentioning time travel, it makes sense to come back to her immediately. It takes the Doctor a few seconds to come back to Rose and Mickey, not three days, months, years.
It’s like someone driving off to the distance, they stop and reverse back, and forgot their watch. It doesn’t take you a few weeks to get it back, just go back and get. Don’t be lazy.
As RTD himself said 9 had years of adventures before the pilot episode/Rose
I guess I just don’t see the point of making a 10 minute whinge on a fan theory 😂 let people have their fun
I always thought the idea of the Doctor having adventures in the middle of Robot was bollocks as well
I never really subscribed to this theory either however I did once listen to a fanmade audiodrama crossover of the 9th and 12th doctor set during this time period with 12 convincing 9 to go back to rose which was kind of fun
Time travel inevitably causes paradoxes and oftentimes those who write time travel stories presume and obsess upon how those paradoxes will cause everything to just blow up. What's far more plausible, and more pleasant to contemplate for those of us who want an infinite number of stories told in the Doctor Who fictional reality, is that paradoxes don't cause anything to blow up. Quite the opposite. There isn't just one universe that gets rewritten every time a change is made in space time. There are multiple universes that co-exist and each of those multiple universes spawn alternate universes and this eventually leads to an infinite omniverse. So all these stories can and do exist but they don't all fall under the same linear singular universe. In some alternate realities, the ninth doctor left Rose Tyler briefly and then came right back, but in other alternate realties he left her for a long time and then came back whenever he felt like it, after having had many adventures without her. And here's the kicker. ALL the Doctors we know did that multiple times throughout the omniverse, so there's literally multiple infinites of possible stories that don't coincide with a singular, linear universe. There IS no canonical explanation where all these stories happen in a singular linear space time stream. It's ALL apocryphal.
He came back for her because she's sooooooo cute. Wouldn't you?❤
Well if you listen to the big finish audio, The Ninth to Remember, 9 watches a TARDIS protocol video telling Susan (the doc's granddaughter) to fly the TARDIS far away in any case she was in danger. When 9 watches that video, he remembers that he forgot to tell Susan that the TARDIS was a time machine, which inspires 9 to tell Rose that the TARDIS was also a time machine.
The worst theory is Rory being the master
Hey, I have a theory that I'm not sure holds up but
What if the reason that the Doctor seems to care about Earth so much is because time lords evolved from humans? In series one, Nine did say that humanity survived and spread to other planets. It would explain why Time Lords and humans look alike. And it might be a stretch but it was never brought up in the show cause like Ten said in Silence of the Library, he keeps his companions away from major plot developments
I dont think so. They seem to keep indicating Time Lords were first.
The Doctor correcting someone that, no, He doesn't look like a human, they look Timelord, and it seems like recent Gallifrey history and Earth history have been going together for many adventures. And weren't there stories outside the show that at least implied the _Timelords_ were the reason _humans_ and other, similar species exist?
Rose "But you look human"
Doctor "No, you look Timelord. We came first"
It's more like Timelords made it so that a lot of species in the universe will naturally evolve into their image over time. So humans are copying Galifrey at the genetic level
I'm sure I read somewhere (maybe DWM) that RTD wished he hadn't put that mirror scene in and only did it as nod for the fans.
Personally I could see a couple of adventures happening in this gap as long as it's not too long for the Doctor and there is something to nudge him to go back for Rose (I'll need to check out some of the adventures you mentioned above.) but yeah it seems unlikely that he would return after years of adventures to that exact time and spot.
We 'know' that he has 100 years between the War Doctor and ten so it either has to be previous to Rose or during. It's something I do like about Moffett's era that he did put in gaps for his Doctors to have more adventures.
Quite a lot of your own theories used to debunk this supposed "weak" one.
I always assumed he'd stewed about it in the vortex for maybe an hour or two, and then gone back. For me that's enough time magic for that moment.
It's why I like to think that the only thing canon about Doctor Who is the chaos & lack of it. The moment the Doctor steps onto the Tardis and takes off the reality outside it changes due to his influence. Anyone who travels with him is also kept in "the loop" until they are also left behind, the reality shift influencing them too. It's this theory that is the only thing that has stopped me going bonkers over the years. XD
It's why the Time Lords are so worried about the Doctor travelling space and time, they see the changes he makes from an outside perspective and only truly let it slide when they are in need of his help. Hell it doesn't surprise me that in Flux the Time Lords created an entire undercover squad to keep tabs on the Doctor, deciding to destroy our universe when it got too much to handle. The Doctor is basically a hyper-active woodworm and our galaxy is a chunk of redwood, creating holes over the course of it's lifetime, and it's no surprise that we got to the point where no amount of Gorilla Glue can keep it together lol.
The reason why the Doctor hadn't seen his face in Rose was because he had been in his 9th incarnation for decades or even centuries after the war doctor, but couldn't bare to look at his face because of what he'd done in the time war. It was before this that you see him in the photos Clive has.
Traveling to the times in the photos could have happened many years later.
Ngl the worst fan theories are the 90s ones. Like Peri being abused by her stepfather. Idc if they're "Canon" i don't believe them.
why?
@@leoj2439 Pretty much anyone could write anything then. Canon barely exists in this franchise because of it. You gotta pick and choose.
@@user-jn1wm3tb8v oh i see yeah, the only time head canon is actually good for a franchise is when its dw
2:37 I mean, with that one they can just retcon it by saying he lied about his age. Russell kind of alludes to this in his short story "Doctor Who and The Time War" where the Doctor doesn't even know if he lived for thousands of years, or for decades, because of how screwy The Time War got. Eventually he said he felt like these bones are 1000 years old, but "let's say nine hundred instead, it sounds nicer".
Hel, 11 even states it outright;
War: How old are you?
11: I dunno, 1,200 years, unless I'm lying.
I like the idea that the Ninth Doctor deliberately planted the clues for Rose that he can travel in time, like Ten with Martha and the tie. But it doesn't make sense as he didn't know about Clive.
Alright Harbo, while we are talking about wild rumors: RTD2 supposedly bringing back David Tennant as the 14th Doctor, not as the tenth, and killing him off after only a few specials going into the 60th anniversary?
You know something what if for the 60th anniversary they are going to do the Timelord Victorious Story arc
Honestly, this theory probably irks me the least of crazy Who fan theories. It's VERY weird that the War Doctor is 100 years younger than the 9th, despite the 9th noticing his new appearance when we first meet him. It's almost definitely just Moffat not doing his homework properly (this is the guy who had the TARDIS itself get how long the Doctor had been with it wrong, after all), but for pedantic nerds who need everything to make sense, it very much makes sense to me that those people would try to find a spot in canon to crowbar in 100 extra years.
I think it actually makes more sense the adventures fitting in the scene gap than the Doctor disappearing halfway through the episode to do other things. I like to think Rose impressed him in a special way he hadn't seen for a long time so when she rejected travelling with him, he went off to try and find someone else similar but couldn't. None of the people he met during those adventures impressed him the same way Rose did, so tried to think of other ways to tempt her - deciding on time travel. I prefer the idea that his Big Finish adventures etc are just before series 1, but I don't mind this theory
There's also the fact that humans and timelords have much different sleep schedules. Timelords stay awake for much longer than humans. So, would the doctor just sit around waiting for his companion to wake up? No, the doctor could have gone on more adventures!
It bugged me at the time that he'd turned up all through history but had only just regenerated.
I don't buy it that he'd never seen his reflection until "Rose". None of the possible gaps make any sense. Not even the preferred one presented here. In the years after the Time War, he never went anywhere with glass, shiny metal or a puddle? And how many times did he cut his unfamiliar face while shaving with no mirrors?
Saw a fan edit years ago where 10 reminds 9 it travels in time and then he mentions that to Rose
Doesn't make much sense but it was fun
Well at some point, we know he must have had all these adventures. Because we know the Doctor reset his age, when he became the War-Doctor and the War-Doctor mentioned minutes before his regeneration that he is "800 years old"
We also know the 10th Doctor lived from 903-905 / 906 at best. So there must be 103 years in between. Travalling with Rose for lets say one year, still leaves a gap of 102 years. (earth years, because in one big finish story, he spend 99 years in suspended animation on a different planet. 99 earth years would cut his time down and i dont think Nick Briggs would do that, after finally having Christopher back. AND knowing Doctor Who lore better than anybody else)
The alternative is, he reset his age again and lived 903 years as the 9th Doctor, that would put him on no. 2 of the longest living Doctor, after the 8th Doctor with about 1000 years. (No! 12 doesnt count because it was a timeloop)
Time Lords aren't human. So yes he could have gone on for hundreds of years between leaving and reappearing. Conversely, he could have just had a haircut after growing his hair long in the episode "Rose."
As the only great River Song would say "Spoilers". It would lost all the fun for the Doctor himself back then, since even him doesn't like that
I thought he did that all in a brief span of time, if it were longer he would’ve forgotten about Rose
Yeah there's this little audio drama the was fan made, it's 9 and capaldis doctor, it's a lot of fun and has the last little connecting bit, I don't think this is the worst thing, it's a nice little fun piece of headcannon if you want
I mean, there was a (FAN) Audio of 12 and 9 going on an adventure just for him to come back to rose
Id rather go with inbetween his 1st and 2nd meetings with rose, because at that time he might have thought he had won and therefore could have left. Even though mirrors become a problem with this he really could have just avoided looking in the mirror until then.
Yeah sorry this video doesn’t “blow that theory to pieces” your argument basically just says “it’s a show about time travel so it could have happened at any point” and yeah it’s a show about time travel so it’s entirely feasible 9 had plenty of adventures in that gap.
0:13 Is it bad that I kinda want that now? I like Missy but when am I gonna get my dinosaur series arc?
I think precisely because doctor who doesnt try to have an established timeline of events that they can get away with filling gaps or even making new ones as they please inorder to keep making money. And because these stories dont get tv episodes of their own the are not seen or heard of by most people.
It's been long suspected the Doctor did that even in the old series... hell the Virgin novels and a few BBC novels I think have canonized that sort of thing.
Do I believe some time passed between the leaving and returning? Yes.
How much time do I believe passed? No more than 15 Minutes. Likely no more than 1 Minute.
For Rose and Mickey is a minute.
I like that you say this is a silly theory then name 2 storys that take place in this one tardis trip.
4:21 Maybe because he got a flash of memory of the Bad Wolf interface from the Moment? Maybe it took a little while to process in the Doctor's head about how strangely familiar Rose seemed, and then he just decided to go back and investigate.
As silly as the idea is, it's not as bad as you make it out to be. I mean, it's conceivable that he had other adventures in that little time gap. It's not unheard of for the Doctor to jump away for a long time and then come back moments after he left. Of all the fan theories that 'shouldn't exist', this one is probably the most tame I've heard.
Oh, I like that theory you hate. The idea that he went hundreds of years and never looked at his new face and ears or felt his ears seems a bit silly to me. The end seems better timing than the middle, whatever happens in the novelization or Big Finish. The gap doesn't matter one way or the other. For once he achieves what he's always claiming he can and gets back to the point where he left.
Re:the Whovians and boxes. Whovians are becoming more like Sherlockians (not the BBC kind) as far as becoming chronologists of the stories, I suppose. (Sherlockians had the Great Hiatus before Whovians had the Wilderness Years.)
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I like to think that he did travel for a while in that short gap before even thinking to tell Rose that it travels in time. Cause when you think about it, how many times has someone had to state the obvious to him
I love the fan made "exhausted supplies" about the 9th and 12th doctors.
The guys doing the va are fantastic and I'd recommend it. No spoilers but it validates this theory pretty well imo.
Seriously check it out!
I have a theory that when 9 regenerated he actually regenerated into an older looking verion of himself, then afterwards he went through a de-aging process that made him look younger so when he sees himself in the mirror in Rose he's not reacting to his face for the first time but he's seeing his new younger look for the first time. This would be a way to bring back Eccleston for the 60th (unlikely I know) with the actor having aged 18 years.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but in the mini episode "Good Night", the doctor says that he "keeps busy" when their companions are asleep, and Amy questions if he goes on secret adventures by himself..
Each time the Doctor is not seen by the audience for a half a second or is there an unknown while, then everybody creates giant explanations ful of crazy epic stories or grandiose conspiracy theories.
My personal opinion is, that he went to WC - we all want to have some privacy sometimes for many reasons
Why do you hate it? I like it. Maybe not a hundred years, maybe not even a full season. Like a "series 7B" amount of adventures. Not enough to fill out a season, but ones with Titanic, Krakatoa, JFK etc. He also can have adventures between his regeneration and "Run!" also more adventures after "Forget me, Rose Tyler." But he DID have adventures in that gap "It also travels in time" TOO!
Don’t you mean, he is not John hart !!!
Have only watched 2 minutes of this, but... it's an actually solid theory that would explain why Nine, who's only just seen his own reflection, appears throughout history in those pictures.
You're looking at it like River thought her "last night with the Doctor" would only last one night.
Honestly never knew anyone else had this theory other than me.
If it was just the trips back in time to the three places we see in Clive's shed then I don't see that much of an issue with it. (Though, of course, those could have just omitted Rose, been in-universe hoaxes, or altered later BTTF style to include Rose/disappear entirely)
Though I definitely agree, taking all the expanded into account it seems incredibly ludicrous that the Doctor would just piss off for however many years before suddenly remembering some random earth girl he only knew for a matter of hours.
Did subscribe to this theory at one point but it only became more and more untenable the more EU Ninth Doctor stories were written and I eventually abandoned it.
Pre-Rose or Mid-Rose make much more sense.
As for fitting everything onto one timeline, how dare you call me out for attempting to do exactly that. (/s, I'm aware not everything fits neatly and it hardly ruins the work for me if it doesn't, but that's not going to stop me from trying, because it's fun).
Ah yes, the Doctor never seeing his reflection ever is a much more plausible explanation than stretching a few seconds into several years in a show about time travel. Especially when there is a documented story happening in that time anyway. It's been over 10 years since I last read that story but I vaguely remember it having a mention that he has been travelling for a 100 years before Ali convinces him to go back for Rose.
I just think the 9th doctor does stuff without rose sometimes we know other doctors do stuff without there companions sometimes near the end of the Amy and Rory era Amy and Rory would be home alot and every week or so the doctor would see them one time clara and 12 got in an argument and didn't talk for a while and in the episode the woman who lived Clara doesn't show up till the end of the episode so if other doctors can do stuff without their companions why can't 9 the point I'm trying to make is we don't need to make some crazy timeline to explain everything just say rose stayed home for this adventure
This theory is also why I'm against Big Finish. The timeline of the show is already a mess but now we have these audio dramas that (lets be real aren't ever gonna be listened by the majority of fans) come in and make the timeline even more confusing same goes for all the novels. As fun as BF can be they shouldn't be canon. Doctor Who needs a story group in charge of its timeline to keep everything in check (I know it was controversial when Disney scrapped Legends and rebooted the timeline but at least Star Wars is more organised now).
You CAN actually stablish a timeline, not between year 2000 and 2001 but from the doctors own timeline, as he first met Rose and then lost her in Doomsday, because that and everything between that occurs inside the Doctors own timeline.
unless its an episode it's not canon anyway
I am sure that there are much worse theories out there. The ninth Doctor having adventures between Rose initially turning him down and going back to tell her it’s a time machine is perfectly plausible. It is, after all, a time machine.
I don’t think that there would be many, but I don’t see why not.
His comment could be a genuine "I don’t remember if I said at the time, but did I mention it’s a time machine?"
I’ve never been a hard "there were definitely adventures in this time" guy, but I have always been open to the possibility. It is an exploitable gap for other adventures and I wouldn’t blame writers who exploit it.
Actually the Doctor probably could perfectly remember the conversation if it was only about a years worth of travel. Think about just how many centuries old the Doctor is at this point, at least 900 years (though that’s a lie and he’s actually older). 1 year out of 900 is such a minuscule fraction. 1/900 years is about 0.11%, now 0.11% of let’s say 80 roughly for an average Humans lifespan is about 32 days. So 1 year for the Doctor is roughly the equivalent of 1 month for a Human, imagine how quickly that would go for him and how insignificant it would feel.
Thank you so much for making this video - I subscribed to this theory without much thought of the implications before watching and now I'm so much happier 'cause I love the reasonings in this video! Of course it's Doctor Who so the show is whatever your headcannon dictates really but I love this sort of thing all the same, in fact, moreso because of that!
Missy being the consciousness of the master sourced from his understanding of the enlightenment of the lizard/lizard people (aka dinosaurs) isn’t too far off from classic who tho.?
The Doctor returned because ROse MArioN (A) is his birth sister and he saved her in beginning of Rose because shes a fixed point for his existance.
As everything is on an eternal repeat for each new whoniverse the Doctor is the end result of all minor changes to each new Whoniverse
=A new person becomes the Doctor for each new Whoniverse and the former Doctor becomes the Eternal president over the mankind (from the previous Whoniverse)as they become the rulers over time inside the new whoniverse.
=Series 1-2 was made as both an end and beginning to Doctor Who.
as all changes of the classic whoniverse lead to our Doctors birth.
Jackie the most ordinary person is the Doctors mother (so many times Jackie hints about the Doctor being her child (more then 5) and same with the Doctor most notable in "Fathers day" inside the church when he noted....ofc it is you Jackie....and the throwaway line...after telling her to go away..."I should had done that ages ago" (Implying he had known her for a very long time)
but there is more much more
The Moment.
This form is from your past.
(it is as Rose was his sister)
The episode name "Fathers day"
As our Doctors birth is prevented when Pete lives (and the whoniverse collapses)
And he returns when his birth becomed possible again.
=everything in series 1-2 is as it is to set up Jackie to meet our Doctor's father.
Have them end up on the Earth that later becomes Mondas.(inside our whoniverse ; read classic)
Just as our classic Earth got stolen from our Whoniverse and then returned to the Wrong (read) new whoniverse Gallifrey was taken over 2 (in Twice upon a time during PC last scene).
=The hybridchild with parents from two whoniverses (mother from earth) becamethe Doctor)
That grew up alongside the Master that also is an multiwhoniversal child as Rose and the incarnation from inbetween the 12th and final regen had a kid.
(Here is Donna the key)
Her scene getting trapped inside the TARDIS (Journeys End)
Donna heard a rythm of 2 as her heart beat.
Exactly like the Master that have 2 hearts and thus hears a rythm of 4...
But there is more...
But ill leave with the name of the 4 known Doctors that at one time in a (different) whoniverse was the Doctor.
in order.
in the previous, previous Whoniverse
the one we know as The Celestial toymaker was the Doctor.
in the previous lost (parallel/alternate/Petes world) whoniverse.
A female Rassilon used to be the Doctor.
In the classic Whoniverse Tony Tyler used to be the Doctor (Doctor Tyler in 1973 the Three Doctors is this 0th riginal form of our Doctor; from before Mondas fell and the newly built TARDIS saved that mankinds souls as they died.
(there was a second save made of all souls from Mondas mankind 100.000Bce-100.000Ad)
The first save became the basestations we know as Timelords (those with Rassilons DNA)
Second save is the source for the regenerations.
As the first TARDIS became "heaven" and later the Matrix on Gallifrey.
(Same have happend in the new series/whoniverse; where the newly build RIVERS is used as a lifeboat as our (classic) Earth falls to the Daleks and becomes new Skaro.
and our now former Doctor leads us to become the new rulers over time on the terraformed (burnt/burning) former Gallifrey/Akhaten/...(several more names)...and ultimatly Trenzalore.
= The name of the current Doctor is Clara Oswald also known as CAL....
There’s actually plenty of gaps for him to travel around in before he gets to know Rose in the episode
You just convinced me Missy is the T-Rex from deep breath.
Hey, if I have to listen to ppl say: actually in expanded media the Doctor has regenerated into animals. Then Missy was that FUCKING t-Rex.
I'd wonder why he'd leave in the middle of an investigation to have more adventures. He knows very well he might not come back from one and that would leave any others half done and up shits creek without a paddle
Prior to Amy & Rory I don't think there was any precedent for a companion to stop traveling with the Doctor and then pick it up again later, off-on-off-on-off like that. (Well possibly Tegan but she quit and then immediately came back again.) So him having adventures while she was at home for a week never occurred to people.
I've literally never heard of this theory before. It doesn't work at all! Rose went home every once in a while, look at how she is in "Army of Ghosts", going home to the Powell Estate for a bit feels like a fairly regular occurrence there.
Speaking of continuity. The 11th Doctor says he only met the angels one other time during Time of the Angel, that being in Blink, dispite meeting them several times in Big Finish.
Technically those stories came out after, but Moffat could have been more vauge and said 'here and there'
I guess when it comes to stuff like this and canon I just go "Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey Stuff"
Time Travel can't be nailed down in a single series of events, just don't get too attached to the little things and just roll with it!
*says this as I walk backwards into the TARDIS*
The Doctor's comment about his ears is easily explained. After years of exploring Earth history he landed in Birkenhead Park and was met with a bunch of teenagers who called him "Big Ears".
I like the recent theory I heard based on the 3rd special that since the Celestial Toymaker said he toyed with the history/time of the universe/humanity/Doctor (wasn’t made clear) after he arrived in our universe, his meddling could account for all/most of the inconsistencies/retcons of the show.
Tbh it's entirely possible bc the doctor definitely doesn't view time in the same way we do, he certainly doesn't really have much of a concept (nor care) of lateness, and I would not put it past him to say this to rose, she says no, he thinks "ah alright then, fair enough" goes off and explores and has many adventures, bare in mind i wouldn't be surprised to hear that the doctor considers an adventure that spans the ancient Greek empire to be "just one adventure" and feel like it only took the equivalent of a day trip for us. Then it occurred to him "oh wait I never told Rose that it also travels in time!" Then goes back to however many seconds after his last word to her, mentions the time travel thing and she hops in with him.
Like relativity, it felt like he went for a few seconds, then came back for Rose and Mickey, but for the doctor, that was just him leaving, then coming back like we think of leaving home and coming back on a work day while our pet thinks we leave just to come back
For me the stories stand alone, whether a companion is present or absent can be hand-waved away. It's only the TV program that's treating itself as canon. I'm sure Big Finish is trying to be coherent with themselves too. But, it's not meant to have a coherent time line than The Sherlock Holmes stories are...
Just enjoy them (or hate them) for what they are.
We can't even agree on how to address the main character, so time lines is/are a bit too ambitious.