Only one thing. French aviation industry wasn’t as annihilated as you said in 1945. 100,000 workers were still active producing mostly German designed airplanes and their components.: Junkers 52, Fieseler Storch, Siegel 204 (NC Martinet)… The SO 6000 Triton jet plane was developed from retro engineering (at night!) the Heinkel 178. It was for a brief moment the fastest twin seater jet in the world (all jets were single seats at the time..,) The Heinkel He 274 high altitude bomber was entirely built by Avions Voisin working directly for Ernst Heinkel who paid them from Switzerland and saw his plane flying too late, …. wearing French colors. It was very useful in launching the SO-M1 glider model of the jet powered SO-M2, first French plane exceeding 1,000 km/h (621 mph). From 1940 to 1945 the French industry manufactured over 4,000 planes and 12,000 engines. They were obsolete but it kept the factories and design engineers busy…
This plane reminds me of the plane that the U.S. Air Force developed in the 50's: the B-66 Destroyer. The Navy used a variant of the B-66 and called it the A-3 Skywarrior. The B-66 & A-3 were bigger but looked similar. I was enlisted in the U.S. Navy ,1971-75 and in an aviation squadron. We had four of these A-3's and they were used as Electronic Counter Measures ( ECM ). That changed the designation to ERA-3B. I was a Plane Captain ( Air Force Crew Chief type ), for our ERA-3B's, and I sure did love taking care of "my" planes....!!
You're right. It reminded me of the A3. My father was in naval air and taught ground and flight crews the intricacies of the plane's fuel system, NAS Whidbey Island, early 60s. He'd bring me along when there we night sessions.
@@joshuacryst2810 After Navy Boot Camp....real easy....I went to AE school ( aviation electrician ) for 22 weeks, then on to Alameda N.A.S., California for fuel systems school for the A-3. It wasn't until towards the end of that school that I was told that I was being sent to a squadron at Norfolk. I was always curious as to when I was chosen to be in my squadron: Was it by the time Boot was over, or sometime while at AE school ?? At AE school we learned basic aircraft electrical systems and no particular aircraft, so no clue there. Anyway....I loved being in my squadron and working around not only the A-3's, but the A-4 Skyhawks and the two F-4's and one EC-121 Super Constellation.
The Canberra was already in service with the RAF and was so good that it was licence built by Martin as the B57 in the US and was in service from 1953. The voiture was just a way for France to appear to have a capability they didn't have until they were able to produce much better designs.
I know that the US and Russians get a lot of the glory for their aircraft designs, but I've always had a soft spot for the incredible British, French, and Swedish aircraft designs.
The English Electric Lightning. One of my favourite aircraft ever. I used to watch them on the east coast as a child on holiday in the summer. If it had had a better range it would have been truly a world beater, especially when you consider its prototype-the P1- first flew in 1954. Love the SAABs, all very clever and capable aircraft, and the Mirage has proven itself many times, even against us in the UK through the Argentinians (painful, but true).
@@rooramblingon895 am absolutely extremely jealous that you got to experience that!! I’d do anything to be able to see one of those take off full burn cause it is also my all time favourite tied with f104
As an English viewer, the EE Lightning was better than most other interceptors of its time, but I have a soft spot for the Saab Draken. I understand the need for lower radar and heat profiles which make the Lightning an inappropriate vehicle for modern engagements, but I wonder what it would take to tweak drakens with up to date flight systems and radar and use more modern materials in the frame and skin. I know the grippen is a beautiful plane, but drakens were probably the cleanest most efficient looking aircraft that ever flew.
Without disputing that the script dramatically reduces the issues and depth of the clash (because that is not what the video is about), the reference was correct in referencing the Syrian efforts and threats to cut off the headwaters of the Jordan river before it got to Israeli territory; this was a major ecological threat to Israel, and started years before the Six Day war of 1967.
@@stuartwald2395 Yeah...cut off some waters...using invading armored divisions, long range artillery and bombing Israeli airfields...happens all the time with water disputes.
@@stuartwald2395 So many factors leading to the recurring conflicts and wars between Israel and its various adversaries. I think this channel should paint with a broad brush and not attempt detailed drawing from subtle aspects of that history. Just my opinion, and not worth all that much.
One of the IAF squadrons that flew the Vautour were the 110th Knights of the North אבירי הצפון, we don't have a " Knights of the Heart " as far as I know. There was a Vautour on a pedastal on static display on the grass lawn in front of 110th Flight headquarters. Their head quarters was not a place I needed to get to on base, but one day I was dropped off there. The Vautour took me by supprise, it's a big jet, almost as big as a Phantom. It seemed ungainly with those huge engine pods and odd bicycle landing gear. Most impressing were that it had 2 seats, very large bomb bay doors, and 4 large cannon openings on the sides of the nose, looked like something from Star Wars. It's aerodynamics looked very basic, even compared to a Phantom or Skyhawk. Later I read up on what plane it was. It was a bit of an odd ball jet, but we found a way to put it to good use.
Having seen the Vautour " in the flesh" at the Israel Air Force museum , I can honestly say it's a chunky bit a kit , but the Israel Air Force did some amazing things with it
When one considers the times in which it was designed and developed, it really is a remarkable aircraft......when one looks at the overall design, it lends itself to the Boeing designs with the mains in line in the fuselage and outriggers to stabilize......that is still in use today, as a result.
One of the most daring missions of 6 days war was bombing the Iraqi H3 airfield, far from Israel. The Israeli pilots not only completed it successfully but also shot down an Jordanian Hawker Hunter.
Unintended humor, the narrator talking about a variant using the Rolls Royce Avon engine (axial flow turbojet) and the film show is of a Merlin (?) piston engine.
How is this the aircraft no one dared to face? Whoever is writing your "click-bait" titles lately should be taken out & flogged. Stop! Your content has always been good enough without resorting to lying.
I absolutely agree....!! People are DISGUSTED with deliberate, LYING click-bait titles. what next...some ocean front property in Arizona that you have for sale?
Love ya but serious errors... You say it looks like a Yakovlev, then repeatedly show the Yak-28 when you intend to show the Voiture? Then you show RR Merlin piston engine being mounted when the duiscussion is of a jet? Folks, you've got to have some QC.
Not really sure it "struck fear" into the heart of the Soviet Union, since you said it never saw any real combat for the French, & I was waiting to see where this fit in to the video, but didn't. Maybe I missed something? Only Israel fought with it, and modded it into something capable for their needs. So, a fair mention in history? Sure. But not a "Hall of Fame" aircraft, from what I've seen so far. Am I wrong? I know little of this craft, so I enjoyed learning about it- but maybe the title should have been "A plane none in the Middle East cared to face"?
Yeah it’s definitely not a hall of fame aircraft, but what makes it interesting is it could’ve been, yes the title is clickbait but the Vautour was an excellent aircraft, just things didn’t play out properly and it didn’t get the spotlight it could’ve Honestly the IIN models and even the IIA models could’ve been Cold War hall of famers like the F-86, MiG-15, or Hawker Hunter And the Hawker Hunter is in my opinion extremely good evidence of the Vautour’s ability They were extremely similar in all but appearance, in role and performance they were near identical (comparing to the first hawker hunters as they got upgraded later) And that machine was produced in the hundreds and was an amazing aircraft, things just went right for the Hunter and wrong for the Vautour That’s what makes this plane fascinating to me, because yeah it’s not really worth more than a fair mention, but the potential it had was far more than what actually ended up happening Great aircraft, wrong place, wrong time, yada yada I could go on for hours about the Vautour Your comment is accurate and I agree but I just wanted to add why I think it’s interesting to me and (probably only a few lol) other people It’s just a footnote but it could’ve been a hall of fame aircraft Thanks for coming to my TedTalk lmao Also just want to add that this video gets a lot of things wrong but that’s besides the point
Are you basing this stuff on War Thunder? The Vulture was terrible plane. It was designed for nuclear strike, yet lacked radar and navigational systems. They basically navigated with a compass and a map and that was a problem considering this thing was designed to carry several doses of instant sunshine.
Your title says, "The Plane that No One Dared to Face," so what was it about the airplane that made it so formidable that no enemy would dare face it? It looked like and average, even substandard fighter bomber to me.
The editing and commentary inaccuracies are getting worse (not better) on this channel. A clip of an inline piston engine (3:57 Merlin I think) when talking about the Avon engine doesn't help along with other gaffs mentioned by others.
@@gryph01 So ? Algeria was not a military defeat by any mesure. All the contrary a very violent and bloody COIN campaign wich some tactics again used (badly) by the Yanks in Afgahnistan.
do you know how hard it is to conquer Vietnam? the French Military is still very strong, they have just made bad choices around the Franco- Prussian war to WW2. i get you might mean your comment as a joke though, and while i am not french, i am just sayin'
Saw these planes in real life. 1959 to 61. They had the brown blue camuflage but also bare metal. In August 68 near Ramat David there was a raid against Jordan and viewed them and Skyhawks depart and later on return a Skyhawk did a victory roll. Again at that time there was a flyby at the Tel Aviv beach it being airforce day and these two types were the only participants.
but was not french, with french turbojet engines...you must not forget that France had to catch up considerably due to its occupation for 4 years: the first french turbo jet engine prototype was built in 1939 (Rateau SRa-1) , but project freezed during all the war...
Nothing beats this design, because it's so natural. It's downside is low maenuverability, and being pre-F4. It's upsides are the size which you can make it, and the size of engines you can attach.
Well not exactly, it was made in France whith the help of germans who previously worked on BMW turbojets. Operation paperclip on a smaler scale. Germans help restart french aeronautic and armament industry after WWII.
The 109-018 development and production continued in France under the direction of a team of BMW engineers from BMW Rickenbach... thus it's name.. _ATAR_
@@docteurlowbat Operation Paperclip and Operation Lusty were massive programs that oversaw the relocation of thousands of German engineers and scientists, entire factories and research laboratories. It's the largest transfer of technology from one country to another in history.
ridiculous: the design of the Vautour's engines (36KN) has little to do with the BMW003 (7.83KN trust): the specifications to ATAR were simple: it had to produce a RELIABLE engine with performance equal to, or better, than the British or American engines, and it still took ATAR 5 years to take it... (ATAR was mainly made up of German engineers, but also engineers from Rateau who were studying a turbofan engine in 1939).
Only 100-ish made and none used in a combat role for France - then immediately made obsolete by North American Aircraft... Sounds like a failure of grotesque proportions.
Starting from scratch? Have you not heard of the Sud Ouest SO 6000 Triton started in 1943 flying in 1946, or the Leduc 010, Arsenal VG-70, Castel Mauboussin CM.8R 9/8 Cyclopes (Cyclopes), SNCAC NC.1071, or Sud Est. S.O. 6020 Espadon (Sword Fish) of 1947-48? France certainly didn't sit still in the area of aviation! Even in 1949 they had the Arsenal VG-90 Dassault M.D. 450 Ouragan (Hurricane), Matra R.130, SNCAC NC.1080, SNCAN Nord 2200, SNCASO SO M-1, and SNCASO SO M-2 research for the SO-4000, which lead to the SO-4050 Vatour.
@@PantherBlitz Indeed! And completely ignores post-war German aircraft. For some, strange reason, German history stops and 1945 or only goes a bit beyond as in Luftwaffe '46.
As someone that's spent a good portion of life Skulking around the U.S. Air Force Museum, going as far back as when it was on Patterson field on the other side of fence by Main St. Fairborn, (who remembers the "ATLAS SANTA"), the Vautour has the 1950's literally written all over it.
The Vautour caused no fear in anybody, ever. It was obsolescent almost immediately after service introduction, and never received engine upgrades, or any other significant upgrade.
Why do you keep showing ww2 footage of a prop plane and yak 28s in your video loop. Gives a generic vib to your video you only need to show the yak 28 once when you made the comparison.
Once again Dark Skies shows ineptitude in coordinating text and video. They mention the installation of a Rolls Royce Avon JET engine but shows a Rolls Royce PISTON V12 Merlin engine being installed. Get it right guys!
@@mrmackybrown9542My feelings exactly…. 99.9% of viewers don’t know or notice the errors… the channel makes its goals doing what it does providing interesting narrative with some eye candy to keep you busy.. I’m sure you won’t always find the right pics for the narrative and substitutes will be needed. It’s called creative editing. If the narrative specifically indicated that the engine shown was what he was talking about then maybe, just maybe you’d have a legit beef. if you want a channel that is always 100% accurate, start one.
There may be a shortage of footage of the Vautour, but repeated footage of the Yakovlev 28 is poor work. Mention of the Rolls-Royce Avon engine, and footage of a Merlin piston engine......Really? Poor effort.
It is. Also it is being installed on completely different airframe (single seater fighter). Its clearly a V-engine, so a spitfire or something russian.
The 'Mosquito replacement' role in British service resulted in an excellent aircraft, the English Electric Canberra, sold world-wide. Oddly, the swept-wing version of the Canberra was never made, but most air forces had such an aircraft. The last known versions of the Canberra are in use by NASA, and some still fly in civilian hands. The SNCASO Vautour is a plane I knew only from the French Heller model kits and for being the plane that killed Storm of the X-Men's parents. That's back when she was a kid in the 1950s.
That's been the typical story up till now, I could give you a short book, how an excellent air-frame was made only Good by under powered engines. That is till Now when Engine development is starting matching and sometimes exceeding frame specs., the next few years are going to see some serious cool aircraft as engines gets stronger, frames gets smaller, and they get smart enough to fly unassisted.
It's not pretty in an Italian sense, but it does look menacing enough to scare little children playing with nuclear bombs. And then there is the name. Seldom has a name befitted an aircraft so perfectly well.
The Egyptians destroyed 2 of them in the war easily with mig-21's and 17's, while shooting down at least 1 mirage 2 according to Egyptians. So pretty daring.
I’ll have to go back and watch again, I missed that part why “no one dared to face” this one
So who dared not face it? No need for clickbait, your videos are interesting enough.
Only one thing. French aviation industry wasn’t as annihilated as you said in 1945. 100,000 workers were still active producing mostly German designed airplanes and their components.: Junkers 52, Fieseler Storch, Siegel 204 (NC Martinet)… The SO 6000 Triton jet plane was developed from retro engineering (at night!) the Heinkel 178. It was for a brief moment the fastest twin seater jet in the world (all jets were single seats at the time..,) The Heinkel He 274 high altitude bomber was entirely built by Avions Voisin working directly for Ernst Heinkel who paid them from Switzerland and saw his plane flying too late, …. wearing French colors. It was very useful in launching the SO-M1 glider model of the jet powered SO-M2, first French plane exceeding 1,000 km/h (621 mph).
From 1940 to 1945 the French industry manufactured over 4,000 planes and 12,000 engines. They were obsolete but it kept the factories and design engineers busy…
Siebel, not Siegel
This plane reminds me of the plane that the U.S. Air Force developed in the 50's: the B-66 Destroyer. The Navy used a variant of the B-66 and called it the A-3 Skywarrior. The B-66 & A-3 were bigger but looked similar. I was enlisted in the U.S. Navy ,1971-75 and in an aviation squadron. We had four of these A-3's and they were used as Electronic Counter Measures ( ECM ). That changed the designation to ERA-3B. I was a Plane Captain ( Air Force Crew Chief type ), for our ERA-3B's, and I sure did love taking care of "my" planes....!!
Thank you for your service sir!
You're right. It reminded me of the A3. My father was in naval air and taught ground and flight crews the intricacies of the plane's fuel system, NAS Whidbey Island, early 60s. He'd bring me along when there we night sessions.
@@joshuacryst2810 After Navy Boot Camp....real easy....I went to AE school ( aviation electrician ) for 22 weeks, then on to Alameda N.A.S., California for fuel systems school for the A-3. It wasn't until towards the end of that school that I was told that I was being sent to a squadron at Norfolk.
I was always curious as to when I was chosen to be in my squadron: Was it by the time Boot was over, or sometime while at AE school ?? At AE school we learned basic aircraft electrical systems and no particular aircraft, so no clue there. Anyway....I loved being in my squadron and working around not only the A-3's, but the A-4 Skyhawks and the two F-4's and one EC-121 Super Constellation.
Well close, the whale was originally a bomber and it was the AF B 66 that was developed from the A3. So the 66 was a variant of the A3... jus sayin
It reminds me of a baby B-47. Right down to the landing-gear!
Thanks it’s always nice to see planes that I’ve not heard of before 👍
"completing the two person crew was a pilot" .. well.. that's good
The Canberra was already in service with the RAF and was so good that it was licence built by Martin as the B57 in the US and was in service from 1953. The voiture was just a way for France to appear to have a capability they didn't have until they were able to produce much better designs.
I know that the US and Russians get a lot of the glory for their aircraft designs, but I've always had a soft spot for the incredible British, French, and Swedish aircraft designs.
Would have to agree. Like the Saab J39 Grippen. My favorite fighter.
The English Electric Lightning. One of my favourite aircraft ever. I used to watch them on the east coast as a child on holiday in the summer. If it had had a better range it would have been truly a world beater, especially when you consider its prototype-the P1- first flew in 1954.
Love the SAABs, all very clever and capable aircraft, and the Mirage has proven itself many times, even against us in the UK through the Argentinians (painful, but true).
As much of a die hard supporter of the USAF I agree the sweedes, Brit’s and French designs are awesome as well
@@rooramblingon895 am absolutely extremely jealous that you got to experience that!! I’d do anything to be able to see one of those take off full burn cause it is also my all time favourite tied with f104
As an English viewer, the EE Lightning was better than most other interceptors of its time, but I have a soft spot for the Saab Draken. I understand the need for lower radar and heat profiles which make the Lightning an inappropriate vehicle for modern engagements, but I wonder what it would take to tweak drakens with up to date flight systems and radar and use more modern materials in the frame and skin. I know the grippen is a beautiful plane, but drakens were probably the cleanest most efficient looking aircraft that ever flew.
8:20 The Six Day War was a war of annihilation of Israel and not about some water rights.
Yeah, how could anyone write that and read it out loud without recognizing how ridiculous it was?
well they also said it served for sevral decades now i think hes confused with b52
Without disputing that the script dramatically reduces the issues and depth of the clash (because that is not what the video is about), the reference was correct in referencing the Syrian efforts and threats to cut off the headwaters of the Jordan river before it got to Israeli territory; this was a major ecological threat to Israel, and started years before the Six Day war of 1967.
@@stuartwald2395 Yeah...cut off some waters...using invading armored divisions, long range artillery and bombing Israeli airfields...happens all the time with water disputes.
@@stuartwald2395 So many factors leading to the recurring conflicts and wars between Israel and its various adversaries. I think this channel should paint with a broad brush and not attempt detailed drawing from subtle aspects of that history. Just my opinion, and not worth all that much.
My grandfather used to be a mechanic on the vultur for the idf
I swear this aircraft looks like the love child between a British Hawker Hunter and an American B-47.
Good way to describe it!!!
@@richardjohnson9275 Thankyou
I swear you have zero knowledge of post wwii aviation, kiddo.
At first glance looks like a mini B47.
Dutchman 72...Look up the U.S. Air Force B-66 Destroyer and notice how similar the two look.
One of the IAF squadrons that flew the Vautour were the 110th Knights of the North אבירי הצפון, we don't have a " Knights of the Heart " as far as I know.
There was a Vautour on a pedastal on static display on the grass lawn in front of 110th Flight headquarters.
Their head quarters was not a place I needed to get to on base, but one day I was dropped off there.
The Vautour took me by supprise, it's a big jet, almost as big as a Phantom. It seemed ungainly with those huge engine pods and odd bicycle landing gear. Most impressing were that it had 2 seats, very large bomb bay doors, and 4 large cannon openings on the sides of the nose, looked like something from Star Wars. It's aerodynamics looked very basic, even compared to a Phantom or Skyhawk.
Later I read up on what plane it was. It was a bit of an odd ball jet, but we found a way to put it to good use.
I have noticed this channel isn't always good at accuracy of information.
Having seen the Vautour " in the flesh" at the Israel Air Force museum , I can honestly say it's a chunky bit a kit , but the Israel Air Force did some amazing things with it
Israel has done a lot with not too much.
I have seen a few, I think two at the IAF museum and maybe one in Paris. It’s a huge plane. I know the Iraqis shoot a few down w Hunters
@@danielescobar7618 Just a ton of US taxpayer dollars and diplomatic top cover at the UN. Not much at all/s
@@ammar1811 the US had an embargo on Israel until the end of the 6 day war, right after France embargoed israel
When one considers the times in which it was designed and developed, it really is a remarkable aircraft......when one looks at the overall design, it lends itself to the Boeing designs with the mains in line in the fuselage and outriggers to stabilize......that is still in use today, as a result.
One of the most daring missions of 6 days war was bombing the Iraqi H3 airfield, far from Israel. The Israeli pilots not only completed it successfully but also shot down an Jordanian Hawker Hunter.
Someone always has to be a d78k. Haha
Unintended humor, the narrator talking about a variant using the Rolls Royce Avon engine (axial flow turbojet) and the film show is of a Merlin (?) piston engine.
They heard “Rolls Royce” and said “yeah, we have some video of one of those engines”.
How is this the aircraft no one dared to face? Whoever is writing your "click-bait" titles lately should be taken out & flogged. Stop! Your content has always been good enough without resorting to lying.
I absolutely agree....!! People are DISGUSTED with deliberate, LYING click-bait titles. what next...some ocean front property in Arizona that you have for sale?
I couldnt agree more.
3:57 One of them inline V 16 cylinder jet piston engines there... is that a Packard?
Love ya but serious errors... You say it looks like a Yakovlev, then repeatedly show the Yak-28 when you intend to show the Voiture?
Then you show RR Merlin piston engine being mounted when the duiscussion is of a jet?
Folks, you've got to have some QC.
I agree...!!
It appeared to be a outstanding platform, however the Mirage also great platform. Good video
Impressive that they were able to make improvements so it could take off with a full load.
Not really sure it "struck fear" into the heart of the Soviet Union, since you said it never saw any real combat for the French, & I was waiting to see where this fit in to the video, but didn't. Maybe I missed something? Only Israel fought with it, and modded it into something capable for their needs.
So, a fair mention in history? Sure. But not a "Hall of Fame" aircraft, from what I've seen so far. Am I wrong? I know little of this craft, so I enjoyed learning about it- but maybe the title should have been "A plane none in the Middle East cared to face"?
Click-bait headline.
I think the title was totally false, but super interesting to learn about a jet I knew so little about
Agreed brother 👍
Yeah it’s definitely not a hall of fame aircraft, but what makes it interesting is it could’ve been, yes the title is clickbait but the Vautour was an excellent aircraft, just things didn’t play out properly and it didn’t get the spotlight it could’ve
Honestly the IIN models and even the IIA models could’ve been Cold War hall of famers like the F-86, MiG-15, or Hawker Hunter
And the Hawker Hunter is in my opinion extremely good evidence of the Vautour’s ability
They were extremely similar in all but appearance, in role and performance they were near identical (comparing to the first hawker hunters as they got upgraded later)
And that machine was produced in the hundreds and was an amazing aircraft, things just went right for the Hunter and wrong for the Vautour
That’s what makes this plane fascinating to me, because yeah it’s not really worth more than a fair mention, but the potential it had was far more than what actually ended up happening
Great aircraft, wrong place, wrong time, yada yada
I could go on for hours about the Vautour
Your comment is accurate and I agree but I just wanted to add why I think it’s interesting to me and (probably only a few lol) other people
It’s just a footnote but it could’ve been a hall of fame aircraft
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk lmao
Also just want to add that this video gets a lot of things wrong but that’s besides the point
I love all of the dark series channels but dark skies is by far my favorite!
The vautours are armed with four 30mm french DEFA cannons (100 rounds per gun) not 20mm cannons.
Touche' (smile)
@@tfs203 No it feature only one tube per cannon. A "refresh" version is still in service on mirage 2000. So the Vautour had 4 defa cannons
@@tfs203 "only two 30mm DEFA 552 cannons" it's 30mm you don't need more guns 🤪
The vautours are not armed anymore
@@ommsterlitz1805 True!
Are you basing this stuff on War Thunder? The Vulture was terrible plane. It was designed for nuclear strike, yet lacked radar and navigational systems. They basically navigated with a compass and a map and that was a problem considering this thing was designed to carry several doses of instant sunshine.
Your title says, "The Plane that No One Dared to Face," so what was it about the airplane that made it so formidable that no enemy would dare face it? It looked like and average, even substandard fighter bomber to me.
On many scenes it wasnt the Vautour, but a lookalike, the\Russian Yak " Firebar "
For a first, this planes really not bad. Especially for the early 50’s.
The editing and commentary inaccuracies are getting worse (not better) on this channel. A clip of an inline piston engine (3:57 Merlin I think) when talking about the Avon engine doesn't help along with other gaffs mentioned by others.
"served for 15 years." The buff, U-2, F-15 laughing in legacy aircraft
Completely different era of aircraft. The F-86 might laugh
@@kdrapertruckerthe Canberra?
You forgot the F4 Phantom.
You all fogot the DC 3 / C 47 / RD 4 .
but 15yrs was a long time for aircraft in the 1940s to 1970s. Some aircraft were lucky to remain in service for 5yrs.
France eager to rebuild its military after WWII...
Alegria and Vietnam enter the chat...
😂😂
@@gryph01 So ? Algeria was not a military defeat by any mesure. All the contrary a very violent and bloody COIN campaign wich some tactics again used (badly) by the Yanks in Afgahnistan.
@@Balrog2005 I took the comment as a joke.... chill
Also they had a lot of german development going on in france, like do-335 and 4 engined He-177.
do you know how hard it is to conquer Vietnam? the French Military is still very strong, they have just made bad choices around the Franco- Prussian war to WW2. i get you might mean your comment as a joke though, and while i am not french, i am just sayin'
Saw these planes in real life. 1959 to 61. They had the brown blue camuflage but also bare metal. In August 68 near Ramat David there was a raid against Jordan and viewed them and Skyhawks depart and later on return a Skyhawk did a victory roll. Again at that time there was a flyby at the Tel Aviv beach it being airforce day and these two types were the only participants.
That Rolls Royce piston engine (Merlin ?) filling in for the Rolls Royce Avon is at 11:37. Haha!
They used both.
I suspect the Canberra was a better all around aircraft.
but was not french, with french turbojet engines...you must not forget that France had to catch up considerably due to its occupation for 4 years: the first french turbo jet engine prototype was built in 1939 (Rateau SRa-1) , but project freezed during all the war...
Nothing beats this design, because it's so natural. It's downside is low maenuverability, and being pre-F4. It's upsides are the size which you can make it, and the size of engines you can attach.
The Atar 101 Engines are copies of WW2 German BMW 018 turbojet!
Well not exactly, it was made in France whith the help of germans who previously worked on BMW turbojets.
Operation paperclip on a smaler scale.
Germans help restart french aeronautic and armament industry after WWII.
The 109-018 development and production continued in France under the direction of a team of BMW engineers from BMW Rickenbach... thus it's name..
_ATAR_
@@docteurlowbat Operation Paperclip and Operation Lusty were massive programs that oversaw the relocation of thousands of German engineers and scientists, entire factories and research laboratories.
It's the largest transfer of technology from one country to another in history.
ridiculous: the design of the Vautour's engines (36KN) has little to do with the BMW003 (7.83KN trust): the specifications to ATAR were simple: it had to produce a RELIABLE engine with performance equal to, or better, than the British or American engines, and it still took ATAR 5 years to take it... (ATAR was mainly made up of German engineers, but also engineers from Rateau who were studying a turbofan engine in 1939).
@@leneanderthalien The ATAR were the End Developments of the BMW Engines
"The Plane that No One Dared to Face" Overall, a total of 15 Vautours were recorded as lost in combat. /shrug
At least they’re not showing footage of a totally different aircraft than the one they’re talking about.
@@timpatrick2109 Besides the T-6 and other WWII footage?
Only 100-ish made and none used in a combat role for France - then immediately made obsolete by North American Aircraft... Sounds like a failure of grotesque proportions.
@@tunahxushi4669 The pilots of this thing didn’t even want to fly it.
They weren't lost in combat. They fatally surrendered...
Starting from scratch? Have you not heard of the Sud Ouest SO 6000 Triton started in 1943 flying in 1946, or the Leduc 010, Arsenal VG-70, Castel Mauboussin CM.8R 9/8 Cyclopes (Cyclopes),
SNCAC NC.1071, or Sud Est. S.O. 6020 Espadon (Sword Fish) of 1947-48? France certainly didn't sit still in the area of aviation! Even in 1949 they had the Arsenal VG-90
Dassault M.D. 450 Ouragan (Hurricane), Matra R.130, SNCAC NC.1080, SNCAN Nord 2200, SNCASO SO M-1, and SNCASO SO M-2 research for the SO-4000, which lead to the SO-4050 Vatour.
The Internet likes to believe that Germany was the only nation in 1940 doing aviation development.
No
@@Gronk79 Then I'd suggest "French Secret Projects" Volumes 1-3 by JC Carbonel that covers this era and it's in English.
@@PantherBlitz Indeed! And completely ignores post-war German aircraft. For some, strange reason, German history stops and 1945 or only goes a bit beyond as in Luftwaffe '46.
The vg70 I heard of. The. French have always tried hard but it takes a lot of money to get. High tech done and they were strapped after the. War
Kool - never heard of this beauty. Thank you.
Never heard of this aircraft. I'll read up on it. Btw, your voiceover is much better, nicely paced.
As someone that's spent a good portion of life Skulking around the U.S. Air Force Museum, going as far back as when it was on Patterson field on the other side of fence by Main St. Fairborn, (who remembers the "ATLAS SANTA"), the Vautour has the 1950's literally written all over it.
Never did learn why nobody wanted to face this
The French didn't want to face it's faults, the British didn't need to, even those attacked in the six-day war didn't.
Or why it was historys most remarkable aircraft.
Thanks, but do not understand the title.
Did I miss something?
Strange that it was considered as a strategic bomber when its clearly a tactical medium bomber.
An aircraft capable of taking off with a full payload? 4:10 Amazing!
Yeah, I didn't get that one either. They can all take off with a full load...only the load varies from plane to plane. lol.
Maybe the maximum take off load can be tweaked upwards a bit by taking less fuel and refuelling on the way to the target?
I notice everything on this channel is " a force to reckoned with"
The Vautour caused no fear in anybody, ever. It was obsolescent almost immediately after service introduction, and never received engine upgrades, or any other significant upgrade.
Ditto for Mirage...
@@BuzzLOLOL Which model?
The 6 day war was in early June 1967. Lasted for 6 days. I can't find any reference to 1966 or 1969! Please enlighten me.
Wow, Vatours fought off MiGs that hadn't even been invented yet. I think you meant they fought off MiG-15s or -17s, not MiG-23s.
Why do you keep showing ww2 footage of a prop plane and yak 28s in your video loop. Gives a generic vib to your video you only need to show the yak 28 once when you made the comparison.
Dark _____'s are my favorite YT channels!
When I was a kid, it was all about which team had what plane...
Now though, I'm just glad I live in a world of variety.
It’s interesting that the engine nacelles worked as a surface during the horizontal lift component.
Once again Dark Skies shows ineptitude in coordinating text and video. They mention the installation of a Rolls Royce Avon JET engine but shows a Rolls Royce PISTON V12 Merlin engine being installed. Get it right guys!
Seems to be more about ...getting it seen than getting it right. "Jordan-ean" wtf?
We're lucky they didn't show triple expansion steam engines from the Titanic 😂
Whoops effing do get over it..
@@mrmackybrown9542My feelings exactly…. 99.9% of viewers don’t know or notice the errors… the channel makes its goals doing what it does providing interesting narrative with some eye candy to keep you busy.. I’m sure you won’t always find the right pics for the narrative and substitutes will be needed. It’s called creative editing. If the narrative specifically indicated that the engine shown was what he was talking about then maybe, just maybe you’d have a legit beef.
if you want a channel that is always 100% accurate, start one.
@@damndirtyrandy7721yes
Highly underpowered. Reason #1 why everyone but the French (and Israeli) passed it in favor of the English Electric Canberra (and B57).
I enjoy this series but wish the titles were more accurate.
There may be a shortage of footage of the Vautour, but repeated footage of the Yakovlev 28 is poor work. Mention of the Rolls-Royce Avon engine, and footage of a Merlin piston engine......Really? Poor effort.
So what engine is being fitted at 3mins 58? Looks an awful lot like a piston engine.
It is. Also it is being installed on completely different airframe (single seater fighter). Its clearly a V-engine, so a spitfire or something russian.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I tend to take a lot of these with a pinch of salt. What other 'facts' are they getting wrong. Such a shame
The title of this video in no way matches the video itself.
The only people that feared this aircraft was it's crews. When it was launched it was outdated
and completely obsolete.
How about doing something on the Avro Arrow and Canuck..
I think they have done both
Is that a piston engine being installed at 3:58?
Yup, looks like a Merlin. How did that get in there?
@@klesmer they used french wrenches, to get it in there.
Since when is 1958 to 1970 SEVERAL DECADES?!?! 😒
Episode about the mentioned Mirage IV would be nice.
What a neat looking airplane, it is not one I have been familiar with before, very cool.
@5:45 1958-1970 is not “several decades”, not even two!
3:58 - that's a Rolls-Royce Griffon or Merlin piston engine. The R-R Avon was a jet engine.
Those Yaks R wickedly vicious-looking 2-holers. And the Mirage IV is no slouch
I love the plane though.
funny, how much fotage of YAK-28 is here
Great vid on this aircraft
3:59 - ???? Looks like a V12 piston engine...
Yak-28 series a/c looked more deadly ❤
I read I forget where that somebody said after 67 'If only we had Skyhawks'.
Never heard of this aircraft Thanks for the education! This looks so 50s sci-fi it needs to be in a Godzilla movie.
All that and the capability to surrender without the pilot pushing a button
3:40 They hit Mach 1 when? What year?
In a shallow dive. Many subsonic aircraft can do this, e.g. F-86.
@Mr. Moto Okay. Chuck Yaeger did it first in 1947. But remember that planes that hit Mach 1 without being built to hit it disintegrated mid-flight.
@@JohnVKaravitis And rifle bullets were moving at Mach 3 in the 19th century, no problem.
Instead of 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons, the Vautour IIA and IIN have 4 x 30 mm DEFA cannons..
Very interesting video 👍
@3:57 when talkin about the initial test they use the sapphire in one, but is the one at 357 a non jet engine with a prop shaft on it?
Something like a jet-powered Mosquito aircraft.
The 'Mosquito replacement' role in British service resulted in an excellent aircraft, the English Electric Canberra, sold world-wide.
Oddly, the swept-wing version of the Canberra was never made, but most air forces had such an aircraft.
The last known versions of the Canberra are in use by NASA, and some still fly in civilian hands.
The SNCASO Vautour is a plane I knew only from the French Heller model kits and for being the plane that killed Storm of the X-Men's parents. That's back when she was a kid in the 1950s.
they also had a problem with distabalizing violently if one of the engines died out.
I wish you'd do a profile on the Soviet IL-28 Badger
That's been the typical story up till now, I could give you a short book, how an excellent air-frame was made only Good by under powered engines. That is till Now when Engine development is starting matching and sometimes exceeding frame specs., the next few years are going to see some serious cool aircraft as engines gets stronger, frames gets smaller, and they get smart enough to fly unassisted.
a one way bomb truck has deterrent value I guess..
I would deter me from piloting one of them.
If it could even find the target….
It's not pretty in an Italian sense, but it does look menacing enough to scare little children playing with nuclear bombs. And then there is the name. Seldom has a name befitted an aircraft so perfectly well.
Can you guy make a dokumentry about the soviet counterpart Yak-28
What's up with the engine cowlings being apparently open in a bunch of the in flight images?
The Plane that No One Dared to Face - I think not!
@@inominate2024 Frequently the most effective, safest and most intelligent way. No such thing as fair play in warfare.
It's silhouette looks like a Tornado.
There was Yak 28 footage in the intro
Clearly he meant to show a Yak-25, its contemporary. Yak-28 greatly outclassed the Vatour.
@@MadRat70 yeah well not in the intro. He didn't see the difference, that is my point.
Why toss in an image of a piston powered engine in the video?
what's the Merlin doing at 3:57??
"The nation was eager to reestablish its military prowess...." BWAHAHAHAHAHA I needed a good laugh today.
I like your channel but you get a lot wrong. Is an Avon a V12?
She was a big girl for sure!
Full of inaccuracies, and endless repeated clips. So unprofessional.
The two engine nacelles look like they are borrowed straight from Messerschmitt Me 262.
Those who challenged this plane, won.
The Egyptians destroyed 2 of them in the war easily with mig-21's and 17's, while shooting down at least 1 mirage 2 according to Egyptians. So pretty daring.
Using bombing equipment that was developed for ww2 to be equipped on a plane goin 300mph at the max .. superb technology