Nah...it one of the bias take ever😂...bro completely ignored all of sukuna's win con... And just said gojo win there gojo win that😂.... I can laterally debank all of his take ... Just watch another gojo vs sukuna this video is just cap
@@nirbandas4560 please enlighten us on all his win cons then because honestly he only has one solid win with domain clash outside that it's not much he could do. He was out classed in hand to hand because gojo uses blue to dominate close up and sukuna having four arms is only closing that gap not out right over taking gojo even with amplification. He can't have any other techniques to bypass infinite because if he did why use maho? And his chants and hands signs boost strength of attacks but if it's not in domain it doesn't matter and honestly I doubt it would out right kill gojo if it lands so what can sukuna do. And to be fair he didn't say gojo auto wins he said he just has a good chance of winning a better chance then if sukuna was in megumis body
@@tri33208 Sukuna using Domain Amplification with four arms is "closing the gap" like u said. Gojo's h2h skills amped with blue was the only reason Gojo had the upper hand for an ok part of that fight. Heain Era Sukuna closes that "gap" like u said. Gojo's biggest advantage, which he had against a weaker Sukuna, is now gone Sukuna used Mahoraga cuz he wanted to improve his Jujutsu by adapting to Gojo's Infinity. In chapter 230, Sukuna said "I'll adapt to your Infinity while I'm at it" (back when Sukuna was going to open another Domain Expansion to finish off Gojo b4 Gojo's UV caused brain damage to Sukuna) Sukuna's chants boost his CT, meaning he can boost the CT imbued in his Domain Expansion. Gojo only survived Sukuna's Domain Expansion cuz he had to use RCT at "full throttle". The boosted Dismantle and Cleave inside of Sukuna's Domain would cut Gojo faster than his RCT could heal him. So if Gojo had taken anymore damage while getting cut up in Sukuna's Domain Expansion, his RCT would've failed him and he would've died Heain Era Sukuna with his improved h2h, chants, amps, Kamutoke (which he can use inside his Domain where Gojo's Infinity was down), Fire arrow, etc.. would b too much for Gojo to handle all at once. This is y Gojo is NOT likely to win against Heain Era Sukuna (but he does have a chance tho)
I think it’s a very interesting point actually about how potent unlimited void is. The idea that Sukuna might just get caught by unlimited void out of curiosity and die is hilarious but regardless Gojo having an instant win move that Sukuna doesn’t know about could make the fight very interesting
@@keynight7513 yeah its the most broken domain but sukuna's is more powerful in terms of a domain clash. He would literally win every domain clash in the series with 99% of domains because hes so much more refined than the others and because his has an open barrier
@@dylantanjiajunmontfortss2429 Open barrier domains have that advantage but that's mainly because he is capable of amplifying the strength of the outside of MS surrounding UV barrier and we've seen gojo is capable of working around that and still coming out on top like in their first and second clashes. Sukuna inevitably has to strengthen the inside of MS in order to prevent UV from hitting and will again lose in hand to hand combat like we've seen.
I wonder if Sukuna can learn how to protect people from his own domain by touching them. Then, Sukuna could perhaps do the same to Mahoraga or another powerful Shikigami, like the deer
i wonder if when gojo comes back he will have a 'upgraded' domain of the sorts, like it creates a void correct? literaly the inner world of his limitless, surely theres more to find out than just overwhelming your opponent with information, his techinque is more than just colours and his infinity, its to maniupulate space entirely. So in theory, he should be able to get infinitely more powerful than he is now.
@@tanakisoup well there IS no point in powerscaling. If gege wanted kusakabe to win hed just *have* won regardless. Batman vs any superhero shouldnt ever make sense yet lots of people watch it because its entertaining. If you strictly follow the logic ans science between any ability everyone should probably just kill anyone in one go (water manipulation -> bloodbending, gravity -> unmaking bonds -> nuclear bomb etc) its mostly fiction dont forget, ftl can be slightly faster than a car in one verse and kinda fast in another some verses have characters who cant teleport or fly just fly around because its cool (jojo)
@@Lhaenen except that’s not what powerscaling is. People don’t powerscale characters so that they can get mad when a fight doesn’t go how they predicted. People powerscale because it’s fun to theorize how 2 character’s powers would interact and how one character could beat another Your argument is like saying there’s no point in theorizing because whatever the author wants to be canon will be. That’s boring, that isn’t the point, and that ruins any and all discussion
At this point we have to wait and see the full power of Sukuna before we can make the call who is stronger. But I feel like the story tells us that Sukuna is the strongest of all time.
yes but the story also tells us he doesn't have a way past infinity and needed to work to get it so just plopping him down in the Heian era he would probably win
@@wander1139 well, we saw quite a few characters getting past his infinity with domain amp. Plus we saw everything Gojo had and we still do not know what Sukuna has in store.
@@manulolzz In the original fight the reason there were ties and he lost was bc he decided to turn off the sure hit attack and focus all the power on the outside. Bc he wanted to adapt to UV. Gojo even said Sukuna gave him the advantage in the clash, that he took a riskier path. If he were to try to destroy his domain from the inside he would have won bc the inside of the domain was weak due to the change of conditions.
I always thought that when he said Sukuna was holding back, he was referring to the fact that he knew Sukuna could re-incarnate and that's how he was holding back
Sukuna had a lot of techniques that he didn't even try to use, maybe because mahoraga was the for sure victory. He could have opened the black box and done some other technique, or reincarnate.
Gojo absolutely slams, since while Sukuna wasn't alive and only his fingers were present in the world he still continuously grew stronger by constantly absorbing cursed energy through those 1000 years, now Gojo is only 28 yo and was still able to give Sukuna the fight of his life, if he was able to do the same thing as sukuna and absorb CE for 1000 years he would definitely have the edge in the battle.
They both lived 1000 years gojo totally outclasses him in literally every day..1000 plus year old sukuna almost lost to a 28 year old gojo WHILE knowing his techniques and having knowledge on his threw memories of juji and his current body. It you give gojo 1000 plus years to train he destroyes sukuna
@@Evxngelo No, Sukuna wasn't absorbing CE, it's been stated in earlier chapters itself that the fingers were simply regaining their original strength i.e. the seal on the fingers were getting weaker as Kenjaku and Sukuna planned to revive Sukuna in 1000 years from heian era. Gojo fans creating their own happiness after they find out even Heian Era Sukuna wins against Gojo, Lmao.
Time and time again every take you have I see all makes sense, comes from well researched knowledge and good faith, and is incredibly well put together, for how popular jjk is, and how awesome the content your putting out, I hope you continue what your doing and blow up my man, keep these coming!
I think Sukuna could win the domain clash, but only inside his domain. Gojo can't exactly be hurt in an effective way by Sukuna's barehands, maybe he could try to Donut Gojo, but Gojo could try to do the same thing since he has Blue. Sukuna could hurt him using domain amplification + Spear in the ancient times, but we still don't know about that part.
After the 1st domain clash gojo couldn't used his CT and was only using simple domain and RCT....if sukuna has 4 arm, a mouth that constantly chant, the fire Arrow from black box, his kamutoke....bro it so over for gojo right there
If sukuna didn't hold back from using DA like he did for the adaptation and spammed it. DA would simply eat the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective + sukuna can grab gojo with 2 arms and punch with other 2 constantly until gojo runs away (*Still I think he'd kill gojo inside MS with the amped sure hit instead as punching gojo to death is quite ingenious and nearly impossible with his rct)
Gojo literally said "Honestly, I don't think that I would've won even if he (Sukuna) didn't have Megumi's Ten Shadows" and "I'm glad I died to someone stronger than me" and "he (Sukuna) wasn't giving it his all" I hate when Gojo fanboys try to twist Gojo's words and say "Actually, what he meant was🤓" or "that's not what he's trying to say🥺" or "he was depressed, he didn't know what he was saying😭". I'm so done with all this copium, cap, lies and headcanon that these Gojo tards spew 🤦♂
@@cornbread9512 Being wrong doesn't make people a fan boy. You're a little obsessive bro, these are fictional characters and you're up here like someone needs to be defended as if it's a court trial.
Damn, you have severely underestimated Sukuna. I was hopeful about your analysis but I have to say I was disappointed when you said 4 arms won't make a difference in combat. I don't know how confronting someone who can block your punches while simultaneously punching you with domain amplification will not make a difference. He would have the edge in every physical clash.
imo the 4 arms definitely would be a buff to his h2h combat, however due to the gap between him and gojo being really wide in terms of h2h i think the extra two arms would make them break even--maybe sukuna has the slight edge over gojo, but they'd still be way more relative to each other regardless
@cooperhayes1194 the gap between them in hand to hand combat is not huge. The reason why it seemed like that is because Sukuna stopped using domain amplification to fight after the second domain clash. How do we know this? He literally says it in chapter 230 when explaining to Gojo that while he was unable to use domain amplification, he used Mahoraga to adapt in the shadows. We also know that domain amplification pauses your cursed technique, and Sukuna had Mahoraga adapting in the shadows. If he was using domain amplification, Mahoraga would never have had the opportunity to adapt to unlimited void. Also, we saw Sukuna's performance in the 2nd domain clash when he was using domain amplification. He actually tagged and surprised Gojo. He also used domain amplification to be able to touch Gojo. But then in the other domain clashes, Gojo is seen using "telekinesis" on Sukuna which would not work if Sukuna had domain amplification on all the time. If Sukuna was not trying to get Mahoraga to adapt, his performance in the domain clashes would have been significantly better. Add 4 arms to it and he would have killed Gojo in the domain clashes because Gojo would not have been able to land unlimited void.
@@morningstars-X3 brother that Sukuna was literally jumped by the whole cast. And the only reason Yuji won was because of Nobara and Megumi. It's stupid to compare lol
You got a big part wrong. Sukuna with no mahoraga has absolutely no reason to flip his conditions to make the outside stronger. He would just keep it inside. The only reason he done that was so maho could adapt in the time it took to destroy the domain from outside. Which AS YOU SAID gojo even questioned. So no he wouldn’t get hit with uv because the sure hits would cancel
Go/jo flipped his domain conditions so Sukuna countered it with flipping his to break it. He would literally be risking his life for no reason if what you are was remotely true. It aint that deep
He has a huge reason: winning. Without Mahoraga, his only way to win is through domain clashes. Technically, he could try to shatter the domain manually from the inside, but Gojo is superior at hand to hand and wouldn't allow it.
@@Blade.5786 Gojo himself said that destroying the domain from the outside was the riskier option, which means destroying it from the inside would be easier.
@@Blade.5786he is not superior in h2h combat. They were equal even in weak megumi’s body until Sukuna stopped using amplification in order to adapt. Four arm Sukuna will wash the shlt out of Go/jo
Like if Sukuna never had to hold back his technique due to adaptation, he'd still win domain clashes. Since Gojo was getting hit by slashes while healing and not opening his domain, we can say that Sukuna would have the time to use his CT like fuga or cleave or wtv on Gojo while pressing him in h2h, and that sure hit effect would go through infinity and hit, damage, or even kill Gojo, no ten shadows required.
You're getting it confused. Sukuna cannot press gojo in h2h if casting fuga and cleaves wouldn't work from what we have seen. Gojo saying his technique is superior is referring to potency. Gojo's techniques hit harder and his defense is greater. Cleaves don't do much damage to gojo. If you don't think so, refer to all the people who have been hit with cleave and dismantle including mahoraga. They sever the opponents limbs and bodies but always only leave shallow cuts on gojo. The malevolent shrines slashes are stronger because you use a heavy amount of cursed energy for domains and they are unlimited which is why gojo was bleeding so much. But they never severed his body and gojo was laughing throughout it. This is important about fuga as well. Which people think will be a game changer against gojo. It won't. It likely will only leave major burns that can be healed by RCT. If Choso was not incinerated to dust, gojo can literally withstand it just fine. You don't understand this simple fact. Gojo was also holding back during the fight. Gojo can spam his moves. Red, blue max output, purple. We only saw 2 hollow purples despite this and less than a handful of reds. And I think 2 output blue. This is DIRECTLY and SIMPLY because of mahoraga If this is the case, going off the facts, gojo will adapt to sukuna's domain after the second domain clash. So sukuna MUST, I repeat MUST kill gojo by then. Because after this point, gojo will always be able to either beat sukuna's domain or they will be equal. This is also shown in the Manga. After gojo changes his domain conditions, he never lost a domain battle after and they do 1 or 2 more. So this means that as soon as the malevolent shrine goes up, gojo can start spamming his moves to destroy the physical shrine. There is NO WAY that sukuna can stop multiple reds, multiple blues or purples from destroying the physical shrine, which is easy for gojo to break. Which means, sukuna ONLY have h2h. And must run amplification constantly. That's if his cursed technique doesn't go down because his shrine is destroyed. Now sukuna does not easily beat gojo in h2h just because he has 4 arms. And evidence says gojo would still win h2h but that's another debate. The point is that, at this point, sukuna must do something that makes gojo break his domain and his only options are h2h( Maybe a cursed tool but it likely wouldn't help here because he had to use the tool to resurrect in the first place) The problem with sukuna relying on h2h inside a domain is this, gojo can fight too, and if any of gojo's strikes lands the unlimited void lands. And anytime unlimited void lands, it'll be longer than less than 10 seconds. Which essentially permanently disabled sukuna from using domain expansion for the remainder of the Manga. Additionally it could also disable sukuna's ability to use cursed techniques. This is on top of the fact that gojo will likely crush all of sukuna's internal organs while sukuna is stunned by unlimited void. This was going to happen if not for mahoraga. This is the most likely outcome from what we have seen. Which means sukuna has 2 chances to beat gojo off their raw stats right at the very beginning. Then gojo gains a great advantage when they both get a chance to adapt to eachother with no prep time. And the only way sukuna can do that, is to break the domain which disables gojo's infinity and instantly cast world cutting slash hoping that gojo doesn't dodge it. He will likely have 1 more chance in a domain battle until gojo switches his barrier conditions. Then, gojo wins.
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH He didn't tho. Gojo didn't know that Sukuna could, and did, have Megumi's soul take the burden of Mahoraga's adaptation from infinity. He didn't know that he had an open domain. He didn't even know that Sukuna could use domain amplification while using his domain expansion simultaneously. And most importantly he didn't know that Mahoraga keeps finding more ways to adapt after completing the first cycle of adaptation.
@@watunki man knew about his fingers, his strength, his CT, etc. He's even the one who gave a rundown of Sukuna to Yuji using that 1000 year plus playbook Sukunas legacy had left
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH yeah because of his six eyes, a ability passed too him. sukuna got the playbook of the other team, and gojo watched the other teams highlights, two different things
3:04 I appreciate this fair hypothetical but lets not forget a key contradiction/detail here regarding Sukuna's "Win condition" _requiring_ ten shadows, and that is that he is ALSO holding back because he _needs_ a healthy Heian form to fight the entire sorcerer squad that will immediately drop after he wins. He knew the fight against Gojo could be dangerous, so whatever damage he might take, it could've proven too much to also deal against the coming fights where he gets no rest. With this in mind, the argument that he needed Mahoraga to beat Gojo becomes less solid, especially when you take into account Sukuna likes to improve in every fight, he likes to test his own limits and learn something new, as you said yourself, he was looking for some new way to by-pass limitless (so long as it wouldn't cost him his life, he was still going all out indeed, but again- He always could've reverted all damage by going Heian form, and so, you have to aknowladge Sukuna was actively seeking 3 goals: 1. Defeat Gojo 2.Learn a way to adapt with Mahoraga 3. Be in prime condition to beat a whole group of sorcerers whom have dangerous wild cards like Higuruma, Takaba, Yuta and Hana to name a few, he is well aware of their threat via his time in Yuji's soul ). So it's less that he knew he could only win with that OP technique hence that's why he chose to use the ten shadows, but more that he knew he needed the Heian form to fully heal for the sorcerers trying to finish him off (plus the adaptation could teach him something new). You can still say it's a toss-up, but while I prefer leaving it as a Toss-up, I think this fact lends credence to the idea that Heian era Sukuna could have ways to beat Gojo. ( such as simply out-punching Gojo after their first Dimensional fight due to Sukuna just having 2 hands that can hold gojo's hands down like we see after their first few domain clashes, as well as superior strength and curse technique amplified by hand signs and his 2nd mouth incantations). So I slightly give it to Heian form Sukuna [he could win 65 out of 100 fights], but I could see Gojo adapting and finding a win. ultimately I just wanna clear the record in saying that we don't know if Sukuna has something else that could get a win condition out of Gojo's limitless just because Sukuna chose to go with the Ten Shadows strategy as possibly the most effective one that didn't involve his Heian form.
I loved this breakdown. You brought up so many points I hadn’t considered. Heres my only concern with the domain battle (I’m a gojo fan btw, wanting him to win): When Gojos domain breaks the first time, Sukuna says “I won’t let you get away” and fights him in hand to hand combat whilst in the domain. IF, and that’s the IF, Sukuna does end up rivaling Gojo in hand to hand combat with 4 arms, I’m worried Gojo wouldn’t be able to regain balance, get his cursed technique back and fire off a second domain. That’s a thought that has always been haunting my brain haha
In the case where there's no mahoraga, you can't forget that he gets the sure hit effect especially on that first clash where he did not need to use a binding-vow to remove the sure-hit effect. Since he can use shrine in a domain WITH a sure hit...then he would be able to use moves like the Fire Arrow, Cleave, Dismantle, his cursed tool, etc etc on Gojo while Gojo plays defensive to heal. Pretty surefire way to win IMO, especially since fire arrow is up there with purple in terms of devastation and damage.
@@saturn9536 he didn't remove the sure hit in the first clash,he had it, they just cancelled out. The issue is gojo is fast enough to just leave the domain in time. its why sukuna had to physically engage gojo. if he tried to load fire arrow gojo would just leave the domain. downside of an open barrier against someone as fast and durable as gojo.
1. 5:38 No, he was not going for the kill shot, Sukuna is the owner of the DE, he has fought countless foes with it before so he knows RCT is the biggest weakness of his DE as was the case with Mahoraga in Shibuya. Saying Sukuna was going for the kill shot in that instance is as good as saying Sukuna was ignorant of the weakness of his own DE especially after the Shibuya incident. Sukuna knew almost everything about Gojo + the fact that he had RCT which meant that he could withstand the sure hit of the DE, so if he was truly going for the kill shot he would have switched to something else in his arsenal in that moment. 2. The benefits of Four arm Sukuna aren't just for chanting, the past four chapters before shown us that, vs Choso vs Higuruma, etc. 3. 9 out of 10 times Heian era Sukuna wins the DE battle against Gojo, even if Gojo comes with the shrinking DE, you forget that the only time UV hit Sukuna was when he was so damaged he had to heal b4 opening the DE giving Gojo a 0.01sec gap, four arm Sukuna doesn't get damaged to that extent, and he heals and opens his DE at the same time if he does. 4. Know one talks about Sukuna's weapons when they rehash the battle vs Heian Era Sukuna. 5. Gojo's biggest win con is Blackflash, HP and UV(if it hits), and I rate BlackFlash and HP over UV to give him the advantage, because the UV is not guaranteed to hit Sukuna if they're spamming DE. 6. When Sukuna's CT is explained and we know the extent of his abilities, that's when we're truly going to know how far/close Gojo actually is to Sukuna, and how much Sukuna was really holding back, because if it happens that Sukuna also has metaphysical attacks in the black-box / the black-box can actually clone/steal opp abilities(which I don't think it does) then he was really really really really holding back.
RCT is not a weakness in sukuna DE. The only reason Mahoraga survived was BC he was adopted not, read chapter 119 again. Sukuna was holding back like shown multiple times in the manga. RCT heals after an attack it doesn't stop an attack. Look at the person with the best RCT hakari. Even he loses his body parts after an Attack then regenerates with RCT. If she looks at the SLASHES of sukuna against Gojo they looks similar to yuji in 214 when his output was less than 10%. Sukuna was holding back BC his main goal was not to kill gojo but enhanced his CT. That's why he needed mahoraga. He was taking all those risks for Maho adaptation. Check 228 even gojo mentioned it "why is attacking from the riskier side" oh we can answer that, it was for mahoraga.
@@IsThatAThaiName that's not how RCT works my friend. Go read what Cleave does in ch.119 it cuts a person one fell swoop. That means gojo should've lost body parts with the slashes. What you're saying RCT stops the slashes and that's not how RCT works. RCT heals a person after a hit. Compare it to the person with the best RCT in jjk hakari even he loses his body parts after a strong attack and then heals it immediately with RCT. That's how RCT works. Not your imaginary assumption. The only reason why the slashes weren't deep was BC sukuna was holding back. The thing you're headcanon assumption doesn't even hold up for 2 times in the manga. First 225 the first slash gojo received unexpected he sued RCT after receiving the Slash in 226. Second time was when he stopped using RCT for his body and was charging up RED. Even then he was getting weak slashes that weren't deep. Hope this information helps you
The common flaw that I find in these Heian era Sukuna vs Gojo take is thinking that Sukuna will fight the same way as he did in Megumi. They don't even bother to read the fight again and find out why he did what he did. Another thing is that people often say that he needed Mahoraga to win when that was clearly not the case. People even go as far to say that Sukuna went out of his way to get the 10S to beat Gojo when that was not the case. He needed Megumi because he had no way of permanently taking over Yuji because of his indomitable will, we see him try his best many times to break him but wasn't successful, chapter 248 even reinforces that. He specifically mentioned it that he waited for Megumi's soul/will to break for his plan to succeed as he was aware that Megumi can also become a prison like Yuji. He then proceeds to take an evil bath, kill Tsumiki, and have Megumi take UV to further solidify his control. So it's more like Sukuna went out of his way to free himself, the CT was just a bonus and Mahoraga wasn't even known before he made his plan. To make it more clear. Sukuna did not use Mahoraga to just kill Gojo, he can do that with Malevolent Shrine, but then again there is no merit to that from Sukuna's POV, as he only killed Gojo but never solved the problem with infinity. It's like asking ChatGPT to answer your homework and not show the step by step solution and never learn a thing, but what Sukuna did was ask ChatGPT(Mahoraga) how solve the problem. That's why he took the riskier approach and only because he can heal himself afterwards through complete transformation. It's the same thing on why he went out of his way to make a pact with Kenjaku so that he can learn how to become a cursed object and split one's soul, to solve the problem of death. Both Gojo and Sukuna knew that the only way to grow is to face a formidable opponent, which is a recurring theme in JJK(e.g Mahito grew because of Yuji and Todo), and in their fight we see them both grow in power, however only one has to come out on top.
Your wild if you think sukuna can kill gojo in his domain Gojo can clearly outlive it he says himself he’s happy that his limitless is far better also gojo can use his blue to literally tp out
@@subhadrakunwar8022 Wdym? Ofc Sukuna can kill Gojo in his Domain. The reason y Gojo won the last couple Domain Expansion battles is cuz Sukuna didn't attempt to destroy Gojo's Domain from the inside earlier on, as noted by Gojo himself. Gojo only survived Sukuna's Domain cuz of RCT, which had to be at "full throttle" so that Gojo wouldn't get cut to pieces. If Gojo had taken any more damage at the moment when he was getting cut up in Sukuna's Domain then his RCT would've failed him and he would've died Heain Era Sukuna with his improved h2h, chants, boosts, Kamutoke, fire arrow, etc.. would b too much for Gojo to handle and Sukuna would overwhelm him. If that had happened, Gojo wouldn't have lasted even 10 chapters
Sukuna acquiring the ten shadows and Maho being a perfect counter were happy accidents but I do vastly attribute Sukunas win to Maho massively accelerating the time to learn the dimension cleave which I do not think he could of done before dieing. Sukuna did go out of his way to aquire Megumis but I also agree that he was not aware of the Ten Shadows being a solid counter till later. Although seeing Maharoga could of had the gears in Sukunas head turning as early as Shibuya it was never confirmed or hinted at tho so it's purely speculation but I do see why people would think he did Also small correction MS never destroyed IV from inside he did it by having the eange of MS being outside to attack the barrier where as seen in mahitos domain are weaker to outside attacks.
There is an 80% chance Heian era Sukuna wins in the first round of Domain battle, but if somehow they both completely burn out each other's domains and are still alive Gojo will win with almost absolute certainity
I was just about to write this lol. Fr tho what is sukuna going to do if he doesn't win the domain clash ( even tho I do think he'd win 8/10 times) amplification won't be enough and gojo will have free rain to do whatever he wants
@@CoolOkay_ not against an open domain sukana just hits them from the outside. maybe if gojo just teleports away from domains then he could waste sukanas domain a few times. the binding vow on it's 200 meter radius is so people can escpae and gojo is one of the only people who could actually escape it
@@xavmanisdabestest Yeah, didn't think of that, Gojo could teleport outside of it and he also would be able to tell if it's an open domain due to Six eyes
Sukuna already explained his mindset to kashimo. all his fights are for entertainment, yet people still talk as if he is desperate to win fights, saying things like "If he could he would". the only person he didnt let give their all was kashimo because kashimo asked him to show him strenght. he usually lets his opponents empty their bag before killing them. heian era sukuna going all out against Gojo ends in the domain clashes.
Amber beast Kashimo doesn't scale anywhere near full output sukuna and gojo, he was matching an almost completely depleted and battle damaged megkuna yet his buffed h2h didn't give him any edge at all
I hope so much that Yuji gets a huge power up so he can fight hand to hand with 4 arms Sukuna,I really want to see how 4 vs 2 arms would go when he’s not fighting fodder like that bug spirit
Before I watch the video, I want to mention a thing I heard in another video that made tons of sense and I wanna see if you touch on it. In their fight, the only reason Gojo didn’t lose during the domain clashes portion of the fight is because Gojo was able to injure Sukuna enough in the 3 minutes 9 seconds it took for Shrine to destroy Gojo’s domain that Sukuna’s domain dropped at the same time. However……the theory goes that this was possible because Sukuna’s hand to hand abilities are not as good in his megumi form. In his true form, he is notably stronger and faster and of course has 4 arms (more to block and strike with) So… it doesn’t really matter how much stronger, if we agree that version of Sukuna is even a fraction stronger at hand to hand then suddenly multiple times in a row Gojo would be unable to do enough damage to force Sukuna to drop his domain. And that alone is checkmate. Sukuna wins again.
Gojo has infinity my g, hand to hand combat doesn't really work on Goatjo. I think you missed the part on why Sukuna needed Mahoraga in the first place
@SplashMeraki he's not saying that sukuna will be better than gojo at h2h , he's saying that sukuna would be 1 second better at defending himself until the 3 mins and 9s , which gojo domain and losses his ct. And if you follow this same pattern 5 times gojo dies because he runs out of domains. (Sukuna and gojo both broke each other's domains at the same time twice) long story short 1.4 arms >meguna at defending himself 2.meguna =gojo surving 3 mins 9s 3. 4 Arms > 3mins 9s
@@chosen1337 How would sukuna cut him or anything of that matter without any way to bypass infinity, is the point of my comment. Not that Sukuna will be better at h2h. Im saying Sukuna has no way to bypass infinity without mahoraga
@@ilymeraki you’re forgetting that during the domain clashes both of their cursed techniques are turned off and applied only to their domain. During domain clashes Sukuna can’t use slashes himself but Gojo can’t use infinity either (or blue or red, ect) So during that small amount of time they both can only punch each other including Sukuna can punch Gojo because Infinity is down. Luckily for Gojo, he seemed to be a decent bit better at hand to hand combat than Sukuna was in megumi form. But what I’m saying is that suddenly becomes less true in Sukuna’s true form. Also once Gojo’s domain was destroyed, if Sukuna’s wasn’t brought down at the same time then Gojo would he hit by slashes (because infinity doesn’t work inside of Sukuna’s domain expansion) I’m sure you remember the part where Gojo was getting cut up in the domain expansion and had to use Reverse Cursed Technique to heal right? Well after that happened twice, he stopped it from happening again because the next 3 times he summoned his own domain (infinite void) he made sure to do enough damage to Sukuna with his own two hands to force Sukuna’s domain to drop at the same time the slashes from Sukuna’s domain were destroying Gojo’s Barrier from the outside so it was basically a draw on the tug of war between domains. But if Sukuna was in his true form, Gojo wouldn’t be able to do the damage fast enough and Sukuna‘s domain would stay up. Tldr: Sukuna doesn’t need Mahoraga IN HIS DOMAIN EXPANSION (and his domain expansion would work this time because his physical body is stronger in 4 arms mode and he wouldn’t take so much damage from Gojo that his domain would drop at the same time Gojo’s does)
@SplashMeraki gojo losses his ct after he loses domains, domain 1. Gojo not only loses infinity but his speed advantage as well. 2nd way is sukuna gets to 5 domains without being hit by UV. Gojo takes brain damage his rct is almost at 0 and dies to a closed domain which is what sukuna thought was going to happen in 230.
I think 4 arm Sukuna would likely be at least equal to Gojo if not superior in hand-to-hand combat just based on the Kashimo fight. Kashimo was dominating Sukuna in hand-to-hand when he first activated his technique, but the second Sukuna reincarnated into his Heian era form, he was suddenly forcing Kashimo back. However, Gojo will probably get the edge in information because even if Gojo was plopped in the middle of the Heian era in front of Sukuna with no info, his 6 eyes would immediately figure out Sukuna's slashing technique. The one thing that we don't know, and that wasn't discussed in this video, is how Gojo knew the effective radius of Sukuna's open barrier domain. Was it because of the 6 eyes (in which case why didn't he just expand his domain to a 200m radius the first time?) or was it because of information he gathered from the students who were in Shibuya? Because if Gojo doesn't know Sukuna's effective range, he won't necessarily be on equal terms in the 2nd domain clash because maybe he doesn't expand his domain far enough, or he expands it too far which dilutes the sure-hit effect. There's just a lot of unknowns in this fight.
Kashimo dominated him in hand to hand because Sukuna was almost dead. we really don't know what the power gap between heian era and Meguna(if there even is one at all) everything is just pure speculation.
@@OkechukwuObahmeguna is weaker but not by much also yea kashimo only dominated a deathbed 1 armed sukuna and was ok with 4 arm sukuna not great but just ok
Gojo would've had a far easier time against Hein Sukuna than Megkuna. People ignore the prep Sukuna had to face Gojo. If he didn't have knowledge of Gojo and his abilities from Yuji, Megumi, and Kenjaku then he loses. I'm glad you brought up his prep time as it's so ignored.
The thing is sukuna does know about infinity, cuz he exists during the era of the three big clans. The only information we are sure that he doesnt know back then was how touching the user helps him avoid UV sure hits. And the reason he doesnt know about the automatic infinity walls because gojo was the first one to do it, we know this because if it were known that infinity user can uses this, gojo wouldnt have had to train by himself to master it. There's a very big chance the head clan during the heian era was an infinity user, not necessarily an six eyes infinity user. Sukuna should has a basic understanding of how infinity works and how dangerous the UV sure hits are
Infinity didn't exist back then. It's just like how Sukuna didn't know about 10 S until he saw Megumi. Those techniques are more modern the big 3 clans didn't exist
@@shepardice3775 He knows about ten shadows, what he doesn't know about is mahoraga. And the zenin clan also has another generational technique which is the projection ct. So there is a chance
@@minhluong6875 He didn't know about 10 Shadows. That's why he asked Megumi a bunch of questions about his technique. He was trying to figure out how it worked
@@shepardice3775 Like i said, there is a chance, not guarantee to be true. Another theory i have in mind is that the ten shadows was intentionally hid by the zenin clans or a user didnt exist during sukuna's time. The reason why the match between the six eyes infinity user and the ten shadows user ended in both of them killing themselves must have mean that that was the first time mahoraga was introduced to the other clans, we know this due to megumi statement during the first time he summoned mahoraga. Even if those technique didnt exist back then, sukuna met kenjaku back then, so those informations could have come from him instead. Also im pretty sure he only asking about mahoraga. I cant imagine some shikigami like nue and divine dogs can fascinated him
@@minhluong6875 He literally was fascinated by Nue because Nue saved him from crashing into a building unprotected when Sukuna hit him. He asked Megumi how his summons worked and without knowing anything about Mahoraga at all he said Megumi was a waste of talent for running from the finger bearer
I think the problem is that a large sum of manga readers are young and JJK sometimes can get too overwhelming on the info. So, rather than focusing on the characters and the technicalities of the power system they try to oversimply the outcome. What they could do is just enjoy the uncertainty of the outcomes if they really think with a rational mind. I've seen kids stating Sukuna to be just a misunderstood sorcerer and Gojo to be the most evil character in JJK just because he's very confident.😂 One more thing, people assume that DA and CTs can be used simultaneously with the help of two extra hands so Sukuna slams. My question is, what made Mahito not do it in Shibuya?? He can shapeshift, right?
Basically these two beast are so strong the only thing that makes a different is their usage of their domain expansion which is the pinnacle of jujutsu sorcery. Honestly a pretty satisfying answer ngl
It seems like the argument comes down to “Did Sukuna need Mahoraga because he couldn’t do it by himself?” and I honestly think he did, I also understand why people would think Sukuna doesn’t need him.
he needs him because it a much safer option than just blasting domain clashes against Gojo.The only way for sukuna to beat gojo is through domain clashes as in his true form he doesn't take nearly as much damage as he did in megumi's body,also there was a time limit in which gojo had to break sukuna's domain in hein era form that doesn't happen.Gege probably didn't go for this route because he had to milk the shit out of Gojo's true power ,getting your brain fried after consistent domain clashes isn't the best way to do it.
4:04 how do you say that he doesn't have a win condition, while he could've used his four arms to win inside the domain and knowing that gojo can't use his domain more than 5 times Gojo loses, Sukuna's problem inside the domain was that Gojo was stronger physically but with the four arms there is no greater advantage Sukuna wins physically, and about infinite void amplification is way enough to stop it
I've got an interesting question what happens if Gojo fights Sukuna NOW!. Sukuna having a way to bypass infinity also knowing he has the upper hand in a domain clash (since he has an open domain) wouldn't Sukuna have a waaaay easier time dealing with Gojo?
If Gojo somehow could make the Infinity barrier into a higher dimension(He technically could do it) the dimensional slash would become ineffective. And the fight then would turn in a weird race of who can get their technique into a higher dimension sooner than the other. There is also the possibility that Gojo could automate the dimensional scaling of his barrier, if he somehow made Limitless also consider how many dimensions the atk has,Something that would make no form of Dimensional Slash ever work on him again. Note: I said that Gojo could access higher dimensions and thats just because the nature of his ability. A line(1D)is made by an infinite amount of points(0D), a plane(2D) is mde of an infinite amount of lines and so on, an object of an higher dimension is described as an infinite amount od object of the previous dimension. And by that logic since gojo already has a geometric ability that has infinity as part of it, Gojo could theoretically access/create any dimension he wanted to.
@@nachtlicht_0 Ikr? & it goes both ways but it favours Sukuna a LOT more... Gojo knows how to deal with the Domain disadvantage by shrinking his domain but it LITERALLY wouldn't matter one bit cause Mahoraga has already adapted to Gojo's Domain right?!... The more I ponder on this question the more i feel Sukuna got sooo damn strong in that one fight with Gojo to be able to now deal with Gojo or Ten Gojo's?!.... I really want OUR Manganimist analysis to this question pls 😭.
@@victorctct You have to remember Mahoraga, Mahoraga has already adapted to unlimited void, Sukuna can just summon that Shikigami & that's it for unlimited void, after that Gojo won't be able to use his CT for a moment, malevolent shrine will hit! & kill Gojo for sure, We already saw what dismantle did to Gojo! so that answers that.
@supremedeity2890 Not here to argue who wins, but maho is DEAD. There is no bringing him back. So, him coming up in this hypothetical battle wouldn't work.
You started off reasonable then went into full bullshit mode 😒 Sukuna's gameplan was to grow stronger from the fight by choosing to cut space. You make it sound like he got mahoraga specifically for Gojo. He didn't. He had no idea Gojo would be free nor did he care. Addressing the elephant in the room. Saying he has no win con without adaptation is where you lost me. Sukuna would open his domain and it would beat Gojo's because its a better domain. Gojo would use his plot armor and tank the slashes cause he's Gojo and Sukuna would end him with the fire arrow or three because they would still be in his domains sure hit. Saying Sukuna HAD to use Mahoraga is crazy.
Uneasiness or feeling tension depends on the translations so no, it was no fear, also he assumed that the first HP was purely Gojo so he calculated bad
@@nagorepalaciosdelafuente you’re 100% wrong. It specifically said he felt “Nervous for the first time in a THOUSAND YEARS” there’s no need to be nervous for the first time in a thousand years if you’re toying around with someone
@@leeprime My dear you are the one that's wrong In what world being nervous is equal to having fear come on if you can even differentiate between the meaning of words I can't do much for you to understand, I can be nervous and feel tension but also not having fear
@@leeprime Also following your clear misunderstanding words have I said that he was toying with him? Obviously not but Sukuna didn't experience fear but tension cause Gojo landing a Black Flash was completely out of his control, It's something that it's not a given so you know, also he was feeling tension of the HP cause he thought It was purely Gojos doing, he calculated that the 200% one was like 120% and that Gojo can do that on his own
@@nagorepalaciosdelafuente I can’t admit when I’m wrong fear and nervousness aren’t the exact same they are synonymous with each other. When someone feels nervous it’s because they fear this thing to some degree. So I will admit to being wrong in using the word “fear”, but being nervous for the first time in a thousand years heavily implies fear to some degree
Just a thought here. But, what if Gojo's "Nah, I'd Win" statement meant that he could feat Sukuna at his full power, but in Yuuji's body. Did he really consider that Sukuna could change his vessel and take over Megumi's body? Gojo lost to Sukuna mainly because of Megumi's technique, which helped one of its wielders in the past kill a six eyes and infinity user. Sukuna acquiring the ten shadows technique was a tipping point that even Gojo understood. He told Sukuna he wouldn't hold back since it's Megumi, which I believe he was referring to Megumi's technique. So, would Gojo win against 20-finger Sukuna trapped in Yuuji's body? Most likely yes. However, 19 fingered Sukuna (who ate his own skull to boost his power) plus the ten shadows technique was just a wildcard matchup that not even Gojo had accounted for. Just my two cents though.
Soooooo i disagree with some point. Sukuna clearly said he could hear what is outside theough yuji, which means he knew gojo domain when used against jogo, also he also known about the infinity and purple technique.
Calm down in the beginning of the video the man clear said all this is hypothetical that you should not believe what people say in verses battle like this except the author
@@Pancakeyu im just stating some things that he just forgot, im not saying that sukuna would definitely win. I mean look at the fight of the 2 while he had more info about gojo
1. It's a death match bro, gojo saying he won't win doesn't mean they're shaking hands at the end. It means he thinks he'd still die. 2. He needed the adaptation to bypass infinity not to kill gojo especially if megumi's brain is replaced with sukuna's heian brain and body (*5 extra domain spins) 3. Sukuna's reasons for choosing Megumi were stated and sorry but megumi wasn't one of them + kenjaku(*one of the smartest characters in the verse) had Yujikuna(*15f) as a contingency plan in case they failed to seal Gojo in Shibuya 4. Yes, sukuna wasn't going for the killshot and giving the bare minimum effort and even says that he's not trying as hard as gojo + his desire to bypass infinity is also shown in how he went out of his way to use maho's partial adaptation specially for infinity along with the MS in his final attempt (*end is R1) 5. Yes, the UV hit wasn't planned but sukuna held back from using DA which reduced his own durability to speed up the adaptation process in the tied clashes which created the 0.01 sec opening in the first place (*he played a gamble on maho's adaptation to take gojo's Trump card out and made a literal punching bag out of himself for 3 min twice with no ct or DA, he himself states it after the UV hit) 6. Gojo clearly outsmarted sukuna with the red blast and then landed a Black flash right after which is based on probability so ofc it's a miscalculation. 7. Meguna held back from spamming DA which would've eaten the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Heian Sukuna is a lot stronger than meguna in h2h and physical stats unless you basically assume that an 8ft tall monster with four arms has the same physical stats as Megumi. 8. Gojo and utahime were able to amp their ct's up to 120% when they didn't skip the hand signs and incantations. It's the biggest advantage sukuna has over any sorcerer as all his ct's will be amped to 120% in his heian form including the sure hit of his domain meaning gojo's outright losing all the domain clashes as they were tied against meguna(*weaker sure hit) + gojo will get cleaved out even with max rct for the exact same reason
"2. He needed the adaptation to bypass infinity not to kill gojo especially if megumi's brain is replaced with sukuna's heian brain and body (*5 extra domain spins)" Read the new chapter, he still can't open his domain. "3. Sukuna's reasons for choosing Megumi were stated and sorry but megumi wasn't one of them + kenjaku(*one of the smartest characters in the verse) had Yujikuna(*15f) as a contingency plan in case they failed to seal Gojo in Shibuya" Meguna with 19f + mummified head is by far way stronger than 15f Yujikuna, come on bro. Each finger = 5% of Sukuna's power, and assuming the mummified head that Sukuna ate made up for the last finger, the Meguna that Gojo fought is anywhere from 20-25% stronger than 15f Yujikuna PLUS he has Ten Shadows. You also can't say that Meguna is physically weaker because he has Megumi's body as a host. When Sukuna first transferred into Megumi, he noted that Megumi was limiting his cursed energy output (meaning his technique, cursed energy manipulation and cursed energy reinforcement were all NERFED), but he stated that his physical capabilities were fine. After the bath + the death of Tsumiki/Yorozu, Megumi's soul was buried completely and Sukuna had free reign over him. "4. Yes, sukuna wasn't going for the killshot and giving the bare minimum effort and even says that he's not trying as hard as gojo + his desire to bypass infinity is also shown in how he went out of his way to use maho's partial adaptation specially for infinity along with the MS in his final attempt (*end is R1)" When did he say he wasn't trying as hard as Gojo lol. After Gojo's first domain broke, Sukuna literally rained down Malevolent Shrine on him at full output (dude went for Gojo's neck straight away man), and then chased Gojo to fight him H2H so he could overwhelm him (keep in mind Gojo doesn't have Infinity, Limitless Blue or Red, and he's operating RCT meaning his cursed energy output isn't at its max). Sukuna also didn't expect Gojo's cursed technique to come back so quickly, because he didn't account for the fact that Gojo knew how to heal his cursed technique with RCT, meaning he wasn't actually expecting Gojo to survive his domain for much longer. Sukuna's gameplan to use Mahoraga to bypass Infinity was THE safer option. Gojo notes that during his domain clashes with Sukuna, Sukuna could have destroyed the inside of UV's barrier quicker if he used Ten Shadows (after all, Sukuna can just try to defend against Gojo while having Mahoraga attack the barrier). The problem with this is no matter what, Sukuna is just weaker inside the domain clashes because Gojo is way superior when it comes to H2H. Sukuna could have won a domain clash very easily by summoning Mahoraga to destroy the barrier, but then he would run the risk of Gojo one shotting Mahoraga the moment it comes out, and he knows that Gojo could tank a Malevolent shrine long enough to heal his CT with RCT and open another domain expansion. Losing Mahoraga would take out a trump card that could render Unlimited Void and Infinity useless, which would mean that Sukuna would have to rely on H2H to outlast Gojo in the domain expansions, which we all know wouldn't have worked since Gojo collapsed Meguna's domain in the last clash. "5. Yes, the UV hit wasn't planned but sukuna held back from using DA which reduced his own durability to speed up the adaptation process in the tied clashes which created the 0.01 sec opening in the first place (*he played a gamble on maho's adaptation to take gojo's Trump card out and made a literal punching bag out of himself for 3 min twice with no ct or DA, he himself states it after the UV hit)" Sukuna was using DA. He would use DA to attack Gojo, then switch to Ten Shadows whenever he wasn't making contact with Gojo so that Mahoraga would adapt. We literally see this after the domain clashes when Sukuna is trying to adapt to Infinity. He switches between Domain amplification and Ten Shadows, and whenever he switches to Domain amp, the wheel goes black. Reread the whole sequence where Gojo catches him with the Red and you'll literally see Sukuna switching between them. It's also the smartest way to go about it. If he didn't use DA at all, he would run the risk of having his domain collapse before, 3 minutes and 9 seconds. If he ONLY used DA, Mahoraga would not be adapting. But by switching during the domain clashes, he could get away with the perks of both, and Gojo wouldn't even notice (and he didn't), because Megumi's soul was taking the adaptation whenever he swapped to Ten Shadows. Remember that Sukuna wasn't adapting to Infinity in the domain clashes, he was adapting to UV, and therefore he didn't need to be hit by Gojo to speed up the adaptation, he just needed Megumi's soul to be exposed to UV which it was constantly. "6. Gojo clearly outsmarted sukuna with the red blast and then landed a Black flash right after which is based on probability so ofc it's a miscalculation." The black flash is not a guaranteed factor in a fight between Gojo and Sukuna. Even so, taking a Red from behind the back (keep in mind, a point blank red collapsed Sukuna's domain), followed up by a Limitless blue punch to the gut could be a win con for Gojo, since Sukuna would be taking a shit ton of pressure from Gojo with no Mahoraga to defend him. Of course, in a fight where Sukuna ISN'T using Mahoraga, it'd be harder for Gojo to pull this off since Sukuna would be focusing more on his H2H defense. "7. Meguna held back from spamming DA which would've eaten the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Heian Sukuna is a lot stronger than meguna in h2h and physical stats unless you basically assume that an 8ft tall monster with four arms has the same physical stats as Megumi." He used DA, and DA doesn't COMPLETELY nullify Infinity. Jogo and Hanami could not get through Infinity with DA because they had too little cursed energy. Sukuna has enough cursed energy to get through DA no problem without having his attacks slowed down, but he cannot fully nullify Blue or Red which is something he stated before taking the Red + black flash. Even though Domain Amp would reduce the impact of Blue, Sukuna would still be slower than Gojo. We don't know if Heian Sukuna is "a lot stronger than Meguna in H2H," I feel like people infer that because Kashimo states that Sukuna in that form is physical perfection. I don't think getting a boost in physical strength/speed plays a part into the reason why Sukuna's Heian form is so godly, and the story doesn't mention anything like that anyway. The reason that the narrator gives us is because of Sukuna's extra 2 arms, and extra mouth. Having 2 extra arms is such an insane fucking advantage to have over people lol. I honestly still think Gojo would be stronger in H2H because he's simply faster with the Limitless, and he can fire Red and Blue whereas Sukuna only has H2H, but it'd definitely be a LOT more even. "8. Gojo and utahime were able to amp their ct's up to 120% when they didn't skip the hand signs and incantations. It's the biggest advantage sukuna has over any sorcerer as all his ct's will be amped to 120% in his heian form including the sure hit of his domain meaning gojo's outright losing all the domain clashes as they were tied against meguna(*weaker sure hit) + gojo will get cleaved out even with max rct for the exact same reason" When you're in a domain expansion, your cursed techniques and your stats are all amped. Gojo was already taking amped Cleaves and Dismantles from Malevolent Shrine lol. I think the chants/incantations make a HUGE difference outside of a domain expansion, but they don't matter when you imbue your domain with your cursed technique because domains automatically amp your stats. With that aside I don't see why Meguna would have a weaker sure-hit than Heian Sukuna. Heian Sukuna is stronger in H2H due to the fact that he has 2 extra arms, and he's also got way more leeway to multitask using his CT, using handsigns and Domain Expansions, while fighting H2H PLUS he can constantly chant using his second mouth. But nowhere does it state that his cursed energy reserves or output are higher, I mean ffs he already had complete control of Megumi's body lol. Heian Sukuna and Gojo could go any way honestly because we just don't have enough info on that. The circumstances also matter-- Gojo travelling back in time to fight Heian era Sukuna would mean they'd have 0 intel on each other. This would create a very different fight as opposed to Gojo fighting Heian Sukuna in Meguna's place in the current timeline. Gojo would have won against Meguna if he had a little bit more intel. Had Gojo known about the open barrier, he would have shrunk his barrier down from the very first domain clash, or he would have at least reversed the internal and external conditions of his domain. Remember, Mahoraga only adapted to UV by the 5th domain clash, and right after Sukuna withstood UV. If Gojo started the domain clashes by reversing the internal/external conditions of his domain, Gojo could catch Sukuna in his UV within the 4th clash potentially, and had Gojo started by shrinking his barrier from the very first clash, Sukuna would have DEFINITELY withstood UV before Mahoraga's adaptation, and he would have no answer for it. On the other hand, Sukuna literally knew everything about Gojo because Kenjaku gave him the drop on that nigga, and keep in mind Kenjaku has Geto's memories, and Geto knows everything about Gojo.
@@wtfhahahaha Firstly, i wanna acknowledge the fact that this reply of yours is now the biggest reply I've gotten till now. So thanks for putting so much effort into the chat 👑 1. Yeah the reincarnation and whole brain thing needs a proper explanation (*rn it feels like a plot Armor to the good guys tbh and I can explain why he can't use MS rn but then it'd counter the fact that he tried using MS and maho's partial adaptation simultaneously too that's why we need a good explanation here from gege) 2. Yujikuna (*15f) > Meguna(*20f) in physical stats. Having complete control over his ce output and physical movements doesn't change the fact that yuji's body on a base level is waaay stronger than Megumi's + Yuji was on the brink of death anyways when sukuna took over, I don't think he was fighting back or limiting sukuna at all as he later sees everything sukuna did using his body. 3. Gojo says - "it pleases my heart to see you trying so hard" and sukuna says - "not as hard as you" while smiling (*yours can be a different translation the point is still the same) CE output got nothing to do with burned out CT. Gojo was using max output rct and it's stated by sukuna (*I trust his judgement more than yours or mine) 4. Way superior is a bs take tbh (*ik it's Meguna but still) as Meguna was not using DA and reduced his own durability the entire time because of the adaptation. If Meguna slams DA the entire time it'll eat the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Gojo has 6 eyes and will still perform better but he isn't dog-walking meguna like most people think. (*You probably mean how gojo beats tf out of sukuna in the tied clashes right? That's not happening against a yujikuna or even meguna who slams DA. Basically if sukuna doesn't hold back to take UV out and fry gojo's brain MS can land 4 times but he does because like he said in the 5th clash, bro intended to adapt to infinity simultaneously while carving gojo to pieces) 5. Way superior is a bs take tbh (*ik it's Meguna but still) as Meguna was not using DA and reduced his own durability the entire time because of the adaptation. If Meguna slams DA the entire time it'll eat the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Gojo has 6 eyes and will still perform better but he isn't dog-walking meguna like most people think. 6. You probably mean how gojo beats tf out of sukuna in the tied clashes right? That's not happening against a yujikuna or even meguna who slams DA. Basically if sukuna doesn't hold back to take UV out and fry gojo's brain MS can land 4 times but he does because like he said in the 5th clash, bro intended to adapt to infinity simultaneously while carving gojo to pieces 7. Sukuna himself says that while unable to use DA in the tied clashes he had Megumi's soul adapt to UV and as a result couldn't use any other ct (*now if you're correct and he was using DA by pausing the adaptation then firstly will maho even be able to adapt in that short amount of time and secondly why won't he use any other ct to break the domain from the inside? He could've used the 10s other than maho to break the weak barrier like shadow divine dogs) 8. You covered the Black flash instance very well. I got nothing but praise to add to that. 9. Meguna was fairly relative to gojo in h2h with DA before the domain clashes started. As for heian sukuna i personally think he's way stronger than Megumi's body in physical stats and adding 20f ce on that should be an exponential increase (*meguna is like yuta, weak physically but very high ce while heian sukuna and yujikuna are like near toji physique + you're adding 20f of ce on it) 10. No, the amp comes from being in your territory. It's basically applicable on barrier domains where the user has territorial advantage. Sukuna imposes his domain on the real world itself without a barrier thus he gets no territorial amps like normal domains. (*Also that point of mine about amping the sure hit is dumb asf, ignore that) 11. Gojo wins if he has Intel and sukuna still held back and continued to choose riskier options. Adapting or not is sukuna's privilege not a necessity. Who knows he gives up entirely on that plan and starts spamming his own ct instead if pushed. I saw Gojo flipping the conditions as an attempt to push sukuna to show all his cards and go all out instead of relying solely on the sure hit.
You know bro, you can write essays and deduce those points all you like but it's a pointless debate - 1. Gojo(*fp) vs Heian Sukuna : heian sukuna has 2 cursed tools and would've made a selfie stick out of gojo with his trident inside MS with no infinity (*like you said he has 4 arms and can essentially grab gojo with 2 arms and decapitate him + no blue as ct burnout) 2. Gojo(*fp) vs True form : basically heian sukuna but without the tools, here too he can grab gojo's arms and punch with the other 2 or even use a point blank fire arrow while Gojo's simultaneously getting cleaved out. (*Restraining gojo from escaping is much easier with 4 arms as they can stop his use of simple domain and fbe) 3. Gojo(*fp) vs Yujikuna(*15f) : this one is actually tricky and can go either way. It depends on several factors like 15f having only 3 DE spins max, can fire arrow one shot gojo? What if gojo gets lucky and lands a black flash amping his stats, can yujikuna destroy the domain from inside with his arrow while gojo is on guard etc. but in general yujikuna has a higher durability than Meguna meaning MS will land 3 times minimum, now if gojo can survive the MS 3 times with yujikuna going all out to kill gojo with his ct's then he can win but the odds are definitely in yujikuna's favor unless gojo luckily lands a black flash.
One thing to remeber is that that sukuna will have less cursed energy than modern one maybe only by a small margin but still since the fingers were constantly absorbing cursed energy and the objects given to him gave him more cursed energy than the last finger would have as stated by him . This plus the fact that sukuna would be the same age and experience as gojo means the fight and especially the domain clashes will be really even and can go either way.
Very good analysis and I have to agree. Even with four arms and a stat change I don't see Sukuna outdoing Gojo in hand to hand Enough to shift the battle. Even if he does at times when gojo can use his CT he basically negates any physical speed or power advantage Sukuna has and times where he does t have that it couldn't be a difference enough to overwelm Gojo. We can use Yuta scaling for this from the last chapter now that it is out. I give Gojo a 70% chance of besting Sukuna under the premise of the video. Honestly the only win con he has is Domain, which gojo has RCT, fallen blossom, and simple domain as a mitigating factor.
how is it that the old limitless six eyes user and the old ten shadows user killed eachother when gojo could easily defeat mahoraga on its own it seems? do you think that gojo is just built different? or maybe they were both teenagers and hadnt developed fully yet?
It's clearly because that Limitless User might not have unlocked Hollow Purple, because as gojo said himself that only a scant few people in gojo clan even know about this technique. And yeah Mahoraga isn't getting defeated without Hollow purple.
No gojo is just built different cuz it shows how much talent he had using his CT and six eyes when a nobody with same CT and six eyes lost to a untamed moho
8:22 I disagree ,he would be using domain amplification as he was in the original battle but now to it’s full extent unlike in the original where he had to use 50% of domain amplification and 50% of 10s to keep mahoraga’s wheel spinning in the back ,he literally says he was doing this in the fight with higaruma and it was the whole reason why he got impressed by him there and gave him praise
Sukuna also said unlimited void would be hard to handle even for him. And he only knew that because of Yuji. So I don’t think domain amp would help that much
@@justinfox1432 Wow, lets see. He was hit by gojos domain cause he was fighting with a bunch of debuffs. And of course it would be a problem if it hit, but that doesn't mean it can hit. And he wouldn't need to use biding vows if his body was already superior to Gojos.
@@palmtv3538bro you mis one point.... DA counter domain sure hit.... The only reason sukuna got hit by gojo UV cause sukuna was using 10s and he couldn't use DA😂
Can we all appreciate that Sukuna acts like a Sayian or Viltrumite. Battle hungry, loves fighting and improving himself. Expert in martial arts, along with other abilities at his disposal. Not to mention he holds back to see what his opponents do. Maki got blitzed in chapter 253. Bro was toying around like crazy. Kinda reminds me of Akaza from demon slayer. Getting stronger with someone’s emotion/battle spirit.
"Why would he go through all that to adapt to gojos infinity" To make himself stronger??? Thats always been a thing about sukuna, sukuna wanted to evolve his cursed technique. Just because you think it looks like he wanted to kill gojo everytime is just wrong.
Sukuna was 100 going to kill gojo in 230 that is true, but its because he puts the wheel on his head ,"while i cut you into pieces ill adapt to that infinity of yours" he doesnt need gojo to be alive once the wheel starts the adaption
There's no way for Sukuna to control the adaptation from Mahoraga at that point once he kills Gojo, effectively meaning that adapting to infinity while cutting Gojo with his domain wouldn't guarantee it would lead to the "world slash" that he was looking for at the end of the fight (as that only came about due to continuing the adaptation again afterwards, represented by the fact that the wheel still spun after Gojo was fighting Mahoraga directly, since adaptation happens either if Mahoraga or the 10S user gets hit while the wheel is over them), it would've only led to the first adaptation that he couldn't have used. This to me implies that he did the adaptation as a precaution while killing Gojo, and that his goal was to use the moment to kill him while covering bases, not extend the fight until he gets the adaptation he wants, but that changed once Gojo stayed alive.
@isaboll1 false it literally says mahoraga doesn't stop adapting after 4 turns. And know sukuna didn't gain the ability to see through gojo ct because he didn't hit 4 spins yet like he did with yorozu. So only mahoraga gained that ability. So if gojo didn't knock sukuna, sukuna would have gained the ability to see through the ct and learn how to cut through infinity himself
@@chosen1337 The fact is sukuna true form ( without megumi soul ) its just like as strong as Gojo limitless + six eyes,so even that Gojo still can match him in a fight with own of power scaling both of them, but will be a lot of trouble,cause sukuna already have 4 arms,and those of hands can be use 2 for combat and 2 for handsign for cursed techniques.
100th Like! Great video bro and to be honest, Heian Era Sukuna does not have access to Megumi's body and he is on his final life unlike in Megumi's body/form where he can just regenerate
No sukuna can just break the domains from the inside, gojo can only pick 1 side to be strong and the other side weak. Gojo asks this in 228, this just means gojo never had a answer to sukuna domain
@aditi002jens7 I don't think he broke Mahito's domain directly. When Itadori entered Mahito's domain, that cause Mahito to interact with Sukuna's inner domain, thus causing Sukuna to harm his soul from there. I think the damage to Mahito is the reason his domain fell
Sukuna did not take the 10 shadows because he was afraid of Gojonhe was being petty because he didn't believe thhat Gojo was worthy for him to use the full extent of his shrine technique . Why didn't he use his fire arrows in the battle
His whole intent the entire fight was to learn how to cut through infinity and become stronger by making his own technique better. He did not take Gojo seriously
1. Sukuna has ZERO way to harm Gojo outside a Domain Expansion 2. The wording that says Sukuna was "holding back" is misleading. Sukuna was not hiding what he was doing with a borrowed Curse Technique and Gojo thought he was holding back 3. Sukuna did not win the Domain battle. Gojo did. Gojo couldn't use another DE because he hit his limit. On the other hand, Sukuna couldn't use another DE because he had taken too much damage from Gojo 4. Gojo absolutely trounced Sukuna at hand-to-hand combat 5. Gojo is better at RCT for healing himself 6. Sukuna got into this battle knowing everything about Gojo's CT, and he came along after borrowing the perfect counter, with months of prep time A final thing about the Domain battle: the only reason there was a Domain battle at all that Gojo was purposefully trying to expose to everybody else how to break it. Like the viewers pointed out, he could escape if needed And in a logical world, not even the "slash that cleaves existence itself" should be enough to kill Gojo without first depleting his Curse Energy reserves
Yeah, he should make a video on that. Interesting topic. (*Sukuna's slashes are invisible and near instantaneous, they just launch which is why there's no time for ce to be accumulated, this is precisely why gojo had a weird expression when sukuna used the dismantle to target the building behind him as he didn't the saw the attack coming or the ce getting accumulated inside sukuna in contrast he saw it when sukuna summoned agito)
@@Czurcodm It's called plot contrivance. Readers are told that WCS requires chants and a cursed energy buildup which Gojo, despite having Six Eyes and Godly perception, somehow didn't notice. Readers are left to conjure up their own theories with the most popular being that Sukuna might have used a binding vow or something similar in order to bypass the need for chants and CE buildup. Shitty writing because Gege wrote himself into a corner with Gojo's hax.
@@keynight7513 basically yeah, most of the time gege does such things. It basically depends on one's own intellect and understanding of the power system whether they can figure out how a particular event happened (*then too it'll remain speculation at best as there's no proper explanation)
@@keynight7513 yeah, definitely the best shonen power system till now. Hell's paradise and HxH are my fav in this category. Jjk is still way better than an avg shonen but nothing beats nen (*even things like binding vows are directly inspired by nen contracts)
Except he can use Mahoraga regardless of Gojo's opposition, since there's an indefinite opportunity for him to learn it. Sukuna would kill Gojo sooner if he could, it's that he couldn't.
Counter to Sukuna struggling in the second domain clash, with his additional arms and mouths it's very possible for him to 1: easily alter his domain in counter to Gojo expanding the size of his DE. 2: use Hollow Whicker Basket to preemptively subvert the Sure Hit of Unlimited Void, while having available hands to open his own domain. You have to consider that he wouldn't be playing this out the same way he does with the ten shadows. With an unknown variable like Gojo's domain, at least knowing he's the strongest sorcerer of the Era, he wouldn't just let Gojo hit him with his Domain, in this situation he would ABSOLUTELY use Hollow Whicker Basket to null the Sure Hit of Unlimited Void the moment Gojo went to open his barrier. This is absolutely something that would happen considering his skill and deductive skills to at least consider that Gojo's Domain has a strong Sure-Hit. Think of his current fight with Yuta. He doesn't know the Sure Hit of the domain and had the Hollow Whicker Basket ready just in case, he has no idea what the sure hit is but took this precaution. He would absolutely do this against Gojo if he did against Yuta. Edit: Basically, there is a chance that Sukuna has an opening to at least severely damage Gojo if we're allowed to assume that Infinity isnt protecting Gojo while his DE is open. Not sure how Sukuna would find ways past Infinity, or even if he could fully bypass it, but maybe some skilled plays could let him hit Gojo hard and good if he can get him to turn his Infinity off somehow. Part of if a major point brought up in the start. Context.
Y’all missing the fact that this mf sukuna took megumi’s mahoraga to kill gojo 😂 He needed mahoraga to kill gojo, he couldn’t have killed gojo without him 😂
Literal hot take: If Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows he'd 100% win but he'd be crippled enough for any current person trying to kill him to solo. Gojo's infinity can stop things and apply pressure to what's physically there, if Sukuna used his heat technique he could make traps for Gojo bc the heat is an application to what's physically there, like infinity itself. Gojo would have to get to the point where he's exhausted/overextended enough to be hit, Sukuna would learn fear if not love and be crippled but I think it's Gojover
Its 5 out of 10 but anyone would be 0% cuz of spamming rct and for sukuna,da but i think they would both grow far more in desperacy maybe suku a even finding an alt world slash however one thing to note is that any opening for purple is an instawin and another vriable is blackflash u can clearly see each black flash sukuna is thinking that wasnt suppossed to happen
@@Blade.5786 And the dimensional slash bypasses infinity without the need of a domain. Regardless, it's irrelevant because heian era sukuna has no way of bypassing infinity.
When will you people understand sukuna don't just wanted to kill gojo but to also evolve his cleave technique....it pisses me off so much when people mis the entire point why sukuna take magumi body.... Sukuna take magumi cause he is a 1 in a million change vessel which sukuna can freely control.😢
Cleave didn’t need to be upgraded it already cleared 99% of the roster. If he was able to kill Gojo without upgrade cleave he would have done it or if he had an easier win con he would have gone for it. He wasn’t even 100% he could gain something as the first adaptation had Maho Transmute his CE to a different property to be able to bypass infinity which was impossible for Sukuna.
@@neneray310 then tell me this genius... Why didn't sukuna transform and end the fight after the 4th domain battle if he wanted to kill gojo.... Cause he also wants to evolve his cleave which he have done in the fight
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 just like Gojo, Sukuna is also confident in his own victory. Only difference is that Sukuna knows he’s getting jumped after his fight with Gojo. He would only use the transformation at the end when he’s almost dead. His best win condition was still 10 shadows. It’s really not that hard to understand.!
@@neneray310 tf are you talking about....after the 4th domain clash gojo couldn't used his domain sukuna transform & DE and it the end of your fraudjo....
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 brother we don’t even know yet if Sukunas brain is healed after the transformation. And if it is it just makes another plot hole of why hasn’t he casted it and killed everyone.
Bruh why do y’all skip over Sukunas character in regards to how he fights. Sukuna is the equivalent to a player in a dark souls game he will do anything to make himself stronger and whatever that route is he will take it he is a Jujutsu fanatic. The person known as the King of curses had curse tools even though he didn’t need them he understands it will be benefit him. You have people like Naobito and Naoya who clown their family members for using cursed weapons even though the strongest sorcerer of all time used them Gojo will never win because he is the equivalent to a boss in a Dark Souls game. He never changes all his moves stay the same. He learned purple and red at 16 and never found new ways to apply his technique or used curse tools to make up for what he doesn’t have. While Sukuna realized he could re shape his body to make him more efficient at sorcery and use weapons to make up for his flaws of his CT. You have Gojo who is a God and thinks they are perfect and doesnt need adapt or change and you have Sukuna who is a God Slayer and knows that even though he is strong he could be better and will use any means to do so. Sukuna had Kamotoke ready the entire time he fought Gojo. During their first domain clash he could have just used it while Gojo was focusing on healing and insta kill him but, instead of using it he took a gamble on learning a new way to use his technique so if he ever has to fight another sorcerer with defense like Gojo he won’t have to use his DE to win.
guys for god's sake, sukuna almost won because of 0.01 seconds, he does not need to dominate gojo in hand to hand, but having all his 20 fingers (don't come with the "he made up for the last finger", because the last finger is still out there and it would make a difference + constant chants making all his ct 20% more powerful and the extra pair of hand, that even if it didn't gave him the edge to be better than gojo in hand to hand, it would still atleast make some difference + he would not receive a 200% hollow purple from the very start, if you guys REALLY think all of these combined do not make for the 0.01 difference, you're just delusional, heian era sukuna wins 100% of the time, and I'm not saying that sukuna is stronger in every single way, but the difference in domains and knowledge is just this big, and about the second domain while yes, it would be the only way for gojo to really win the battle you'd have to accept multiple thing, like sukuna being still inferior to gojo in hand to hand (remembering that inside the domain clash gojo does not have the blue enhanced punches, so he does not have "the strongest punch in the verse") you'd also have to say that sukuna would not come up with some other way, being it a binding vow or straight up understanding how gojo's domain works just by looking at it, and that he would be dumb enough to think he would be able to handle gojo's domain, which is a mistake he would never make
The last finger won’t make a difference he ate his own head for that gege clearly did that to say to us that yes this was a fully powered up sukuna vs gojo
@@subhadrakunwar8022 bruh, imagine not reading, as I said, it DOES make a difference in a battle were 0.01 seconds was what separated a guaranted victory from an almost tie, he ate up to compensate but there's still 1/20 of his souls out there, and sukuna WILL get stronger if he ate, and you CAN'T deny this, so no, this is not full power sukuna, and it WOULD make a difference, and this is because this is a very close fight overall, just use your brain my brother
@@jcplays1749 use your brain dumbass the author clearly added the skull for the full power of sukuna a finger won’t change anything sukuna himself said that his head was enough or else you think sukuna can’t find his last finger in 1 full month?
@@jcplays1749 so what after he eats his skull he’s gonna get 21/20 parts of his soul? Like are you dumb stop thinking stuff as a crazy reader looking at every minor thing and think like an author Gege clearly meant for this to be the final big fight and he’s gonna leave sukuna 1 finger out? like sthu
@@kaiblade760 Gojo was only better in h2h when he had blue to boost his speed. Everytime Sukuna used domain amp to nullify blue or inside of Domains, Sukuna was winning. Summoning 2 more shikigame was because he couldn't have domain amp on if he wanted the dismantle powerup
after the first domain gojo lost infinity and Sukuna would not just wait until gojo heal him self up, he would use his other techniques on gojo like fire arrows ,lighting. Second domain is weaker from inside and Sukuna doesn't need to hold back bcz he doeasn't have mahoraga to adapt so he would use domain amplification whole time. As long as gojo back down from domain fights he has a chance of winning
I just need to say him using Mahoraga wasn’t a win con. He wanted to learn a way to bypass Infinity permanently Going forward. Remember he uses World Dismantle after Mahoraga has already been killed
@@lemonboychris We've never seen reason to believe that. Sukuna had a whole month to prepare but couldn't figure out a technique to bypass infinity. Mahoraga *giving Sukuna the necessary 'model'* was the win con here.
Only his hollow purple he launched was boosted. They partially hoped that by boosting it with utahime and Gojo using full incantations and seals he could end it there (granted I don't think Gojo really thought they could end it like that but he lost literally nothing by trying.)
@@MyGoodFunZZ it only was for that specific Hollow Purple. Granted I fully understand why it's thought it was for the entire fight. Utahime and the dance etc aren't really expanded on much
It was only for the purple but that ritual shows us that not skipping hand signs and incantations can amp your ct up to 120% which is the biggest advantage for any sorcerer. Heian sukuna's ct is always amped and so is the sure hit of his domain (*I think it's clear what'll happen in round 1)
5:09. Just a little fact: Sukuna turned off sure hit of MS on himself what made UV sure hit active all time. Basically he tanked all DE for adapting wheel. Without mahoraga Satoru would have no chances to stun Sukuna ever once since he'd negate sure hit.
I don't know why people think a gojo with no ct could actually surviving a 4 arm bloodlusted , kamutoke enchanted flames/fire arrow, while being with hit by domain at the same time. When gojo with no ct was equal to a holding back 2 arm sukuna. (In domain 1) also he can't use rct on full blast forever this was stated by ino. So if gojo doesn't get killed, he'll run out of rct. Because simple domain only works against for sure hits. So kamutoke and fire arrow would make gojo keep rct on his body on his brain
One thing I think needs to be noted is that even if Sukuna could have beaten Gojo without Majoraga, that doesn’t mean getting Mahoraga is pointless. Think of it as studying for a test you’re pretty sure you’ll pass anyway. You don’t think you’ll fail it, but you can’t be certain, so you might as well try a little bit harder
Another point worth mentioning is that upon speaking after killing Gojo, Sukuna said he needed to use Mahoraga as a blueprint to beat Gojo (implying without this he wouldn’t win). Plus the narrator stated that Gojo was making Sukuna nervous for the first time since the heian era despite Sukuna having Mahoraga and Shrine. Personally I’d think the fight would likely end with the 2 killing each other.
Sorry but he wouldnt even need the world cutting slash if he went all out from the start. He would've already ended him in chapter 226 if he used his other techniques inside the domain when gojo lost the first domain clash, making him unable to use the limitless technique and thus no infinity. For your last statement, Sukuna was limiting himself because he needed to reserve his heian era form and other techniques for gojo's students and wanted to make use of the ten shadows and mahoraga. But at the later stage of the fight, sukuna realized that theres a chance that he might lose due to this gamble hence why he started becoming nervous
How did sukuna use the world cutting slash without chants in the first place. We literally saw that he needs 3 chants to perform the slash. But when he “killed” gojo chants weren’t shown. The guy also was missing a hand.
Is the same thing that happened when Mahoraga appears the first time with a chant. The reason of Mahoraga and the World Cut Slash its because Megumi is the one that chants, not Sukuna.
Bro talk about Sukuna fans. Literally in the start of the video he says the number of people talking in favor of Sukuna is much more than Gojo. Did you even watch the video ?
@@samarendra109 Ah yes because what ever this man says is the stand alone undeniable truth. Sick of toxic whiney Gojocels. He’s dead, 1 shot like fodder and will never come back.
@@selfimprovement5873 For the record im not a sukuna fan I like gojo as a character more. Its just when presented with the train station scene where gojo talks about the fight and how hard it was, people try to twist the meanings rather than just taking it at face value. It just seems abit delusional to me....
The Answer Is Yes And There Is Clear Proof Even During Their Recently Ended Fight, In Their Fight They Used Their Domain Expansion Like 5 Times Which At Some Point Gojo Used His An Instant Earlier Giving Him The W, But Then Sukuna Summons Mahoraga, Destroying Gojo's Domain, This Proofs Sukuna Can't Beat Gojo In His Full Power Heian Era Form, Also Without Mahoraga Sukuna Couldnt Get His Reality Cleave or Whatever It's Called Which Proofs Even More, And Let's Not Forget It Was A 3V1 And How Much Trouble Agito And Mahoraga And other Shikigami Gojo Gave, Making Gojo Tired And Attacking Him And Stuff
Are we just going to ignore that in the fight they did have Utahime had to use incantations, hand signs, dances and instruments all to max her technique to give Gojo a buff during the fight in chp 223
Yup sukuna consumed his body (it's believed more than just his head from some context clues) to make up for not having the final finger and arguabley made him even stronger then Heian Era not counting the ten shadows.
Yup sukuna consumed his body (it's believed more than just his head from some context clues) to make up for not having the final finger and arguabley made him even stronger then Heian Era not counting the ten shadows.
@@ManganimistYT see I hear you say that but it was always stayed that you need all 20 fingers. There still a piece his soul missing. Can you whole heartedly say that the mummified body makes up the rest of power he needed even tho they pointed it out?
honestly, I totally get where you're coming from, they established this 20 finger dynamic and man was only at 19. The only reason I'm rolling with the mummified body compensating for it is cuz Sukuna himself is the one that gives us that info
Sukuna does not control his domain, which is why hes able to use 10s , he didnt go for the head that was just the domain. Sukuna gives conditions before the domain is casted . Then the domain acts on its own
Sukuna specifically says he tried slicing the special grade curse into 3 during his second awakening. To an extent he does have control over his slashes in his Domain, & that was 100% an attempt at Gojo’s life
@Niggidy he can control the output of the for sure before its form but not what he can hit, this is why he shrunk he domain against mahoraga so he wouldn't hit megumi
@@chosen1337 He cut the special grade curse into even vertical slices & here he cleanly sliced Gojo’s neck horizontally, before bombarding him with slashes. That’s way too convenient to just chalk up to the output of his DE. Obviously he can’t control every single slash, but it’s clear he’s capable of slicing how he wants in his domain to an extent. Also I’m not sure what the 2nd reply has to do with anything, but what you think Sukuna has seen doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just a random assumption you made to try justifying your point.
The only thing I would disagree on is that we will never know. We just have to wait see the full form of Sucka is capable of, and I don’t think we will need to wait too much longer before we find out. At the moment, though, this is probably the best hypothetical. But if I had to put a guess on it, I would say sukuna would win only because I felt Gege would not make Gojo admit that Sukuna was holding back if there wasn’t a reason
Great explanation this was perfect also in my opinion i definitely dont think 4 arms would do much for gojo considering he fought a 3v1 with sukuna and still pulled off crazy stuff
Gojo fans are still crying even after Gojo admitted he would lose..., Sukuna losing is worse than death as he said to Yurozo so if you say that Gojo is stronger without the ten shadows sukuna would've preferred to die rather than live knowing that he was weaker, also you thinking that you can analyze the situation better than Gojo who has the six eyes is stupid of you hhhhh, Gojo was losing every domain battle Sukuna was hit for 0.01 second with infinite void imagine having the four arms that would've never happened since Sukuna will be physically stronger and faster and with another mouth and two more arms he would regenerate 10 times faster
The current sukuna had 1000 years of CE built up, and had six months of prep time and all of Megumi’s and Yuji’s knowledge of Satoru’s technique. It’s also possible and imo likely that sukuna learned domain amp in the modern era
Honestly, a few months ago, I would have said it would be a very close fight but I'm thinking about it now and... The only reason Sukuna fought Gojo like the way he did, is because he had to conserve his CE to fight the rest of the gang and he also wanted to upgrade his slashes. He was playing defensively. He was massively holding back and fighting within limitations. What truly matters in this hypothetical, is if it's a 1v1. Okay, before we get into the "how", this is my opinion and my interpretation of the story. I strongly believe this and I don't really want to start an argument about it. I'm aware an author can make certain choices and make whatever seemed impossible before that point make sense in the story. But, this hypothetical is made from just the information we have. If we consider Heian Era Sukuna as just Sukuna in his true form: He would win the domain clashes because now, he would actually be focusing on the fight, instead of trying to make Mahoraga adapt. Remember, the domain battles were very close even though Sukuna was focused on Maho. There were many instances where he would win the domain battle if he had four arms to use and his CT. Which means if he wasn't focusing on Maho, he would easily win them all. Okay, now Gojo is getting hit with MS and his CT is exhausted. Now what? Sukuna easily beats Gojo in that time frame before he can even heal his brain. I'm not even going to mention his CT because it's an unknown variable. Let's assume he uses them in his own combat style like the way he is using them on the rest of the gang. Gojo is good at H2H, I will admit that. But there is no way he is going to beat Sukuna with four arms in H2H combat. Sukuna is more used to fighting with four arms. Sukuna would be putting more CE into his hits because he doesn't need to hold back now. And, boom.The fight wouldn't even need to go that long. The main issue with this is the fact that Sukuna would have to use up a big portion of his cursed energy reserves to deal the finishing blow. Which is why he opted to use Maho in the final fight instead. He wanted to fight the rest of the gang in good condition and he also wanted to upgrade his slashes. It's not that hard to realize he just chose the less CE consuming option to win.
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The most fair hypothetical fight between these two ive hear so far
Nah...it one of the bias take ever😂...bro completely ignored all of sukuna's win con... And just said gojo win there gojo win that😂.... I can laterally debank all of his take ... Just watch another gojo vs sukuna this video is just cap
@@nirbandas4560 please enlighten us on all his win cons then because honestly he only has one solid win with domain clash outside that it's not much he could do.
He was out classed in hand to hand because gojo uses blue to dominate close up and sukuna having four arms is only closing that gap not out right over taking gojo even with amplification.
He can't have any other techniques to bypass infinite because if he did why use maho?
And his chants and hands signs boost strength of attacks but if it's not in domain it doesn't matter and honestly I doubt it would out right kill gojo if it lands so what can sukuna do.
And to be fair he didn't say gojo auto wins he said he just has a good chance of winning a better chance then if sukuna was in megumis body
@@nirbandas4560 “one of the most bias takes ever” when my entire take is that either of them can win and it’s an extremely high diff fight lol
@@nirbandas4560stop acting dumb
@@tri33208 Sukuna using Domain Amplification with four arms is "closing the gap" like u said. Gojo's h2h skills amped with blue was the only reason Gojo had the upper hand for an ok part of that fight. Heain Era Sukuna closes that "gap" like u said. Gojo's biggest advantage, which he had against a weaker Sukuna, is now gone
Sukuna used Mahoraga cuz he wanted to improve his Jujutsu by adapting to Gojo's Infinity. In chapter 230, Sukuna said "I'll adapt to your Infinity while I'm at it" (back when Sukuna was going to open another Domain Expansion to finish off Gojo b4 Gojo's UV caused brain damage to Sukuna)
Sukuna's chants boost his CT, meaning he can boost the CT imbued in his Domain Expansion. Gojo only survived Sukuna's Domain Expansion cuz he had to use RCT at "full throttle". The boosted Dismantle and Cleave inside of Sukuna's Domain would cut Gojo faster than his RCT could heal him. So if Gojo had taken anymore damage while getting cut up in Sukuna's Domain Expansion, his RCT would've failed him and he would've died
Heain Era Sukuna with his improved h2h, chants, amps, Kamutoke (which he can use inside his Domain where Gojo's Infinity was down), Fire arrow, etc.. would b too much for Gojo to handle all at once.
This is y Gojo is NOT likely to win against Heain Era Sukuna (but he does have a chance tho)
I think it’s a very interesting point actually about how potent unlimited void is. The idea that Sukuna might just get caught by unlimited void out of curiosity and die is hilarious but regardless Gojo having an instant win move that Sukuna doesn’t know about could make the fight very interesting
hands down most broken domain in the manga
@@keynight7513 yeah its the most broken domain but sukuna's is more powerful in terms of a domain clash. He would literally win every domain clash in the series with 99% of domains because hes so much more refined than the others and because his has an open barrier
@@dylantanjiajunmontfortss2429 Open barrier domains have that advantage but that's mainly because he is capable of amplifying the strength of the outside of MS surrounding UV barrier and we've seen gojo is capable of working around that and still coming out on top like in their first and second clashes. Sukuna inevitably has to strengthen the inside of MS in order to prevent UV from hitting and will again lose in hand to hand combat like we've seen.
I wonder if Sukuna can learn how to protect people from his own domain by touching them. Then, Sukuna could perhaps do the same to Mahoraga or another powerful Shikigami, like the deer
i wonder if when gojo comes back he will have a 'upgraded' domain of the sorts, like it creates a void correct? literaly the inner world of his limitless, surely theres more to find out than just overwhelming your opponent with information, his techinque is more than just colours and his infinity, its to maniupulate space entirely. So in theory, he should be able to get infinitely more powerful than he is now.
This is a great break down, cant wait for the fight to be animated, it really can go either way both are amazing sorcerers
I feel like it’s a good thing to remember
"The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win”
-Stan Lee
So Sukuna.
Yeah sure, but doesn’t that defeat the point of powerscaling?
@@tanakisoupthe writers are the ones who come up with the scaling so no
@@tanakisoup well there IS no point in powerscaling. If gege wanted kusakabe to win hed just *have* won regardless. Batman vs any superhero shouldnt ever make sense yet lots of people watch it because its entertaining. If you strictly follow the logic ans science between any ability everyone should probably just kill anyone in one go (water manipulation -> bloodbending, gravity -> unmaking bonds -> nuclear bomb etc) its mostly fiction dont forget, ftl can be slightly faster than a car in one verse and kinda fast in another some verses have characters who cant teleport or fly just fly around because its cool (jojo)
@@Lhaenen except that’s not what powerscaling is. People don’t powerscale characters so that they can get mad when a fight doesn’t go how they predicted. People powerscale because it’s fun to theorize how 2 character’s powers would interact and how one character could beat another
Your argument is like saying there’s no point in theorizing because whatever the author wants to be canon will be. That’s boring, that isn’t the point, and that ruins any and all discussion
At this point we have to wait and see the full power of Sukuna before we can make the call who is stronger. But I feel like the story tells us that Sukuna is the strongest of all time.
yes but the story also tells us he doesn't have a way past infinity and needed to work to get it so just plopping him down in the Heian era he would probably win
@@wander1139 well, we saw quite a few characters getting past his infinity with domain amp. Plus we saw everything Gojo had and we still do not know what Sukuna has in store.
@@wander1139DE and DA are ways to bypass infinity. Heian Sukuna would win all the Domain battles.
@@isra-el5745 Nah, he probably wouldn't win all the clashes
@@manulolzz In the original fight the reason there were ties and he lost was bc he decided to turn off the sure hit attack and focus all the power on the outside. Bc he wanted to adapt to UV. Gojo even said Sukuna gave him the advantage in the clash, that he took a riskier path. If he were to try to destroy his domain from the inside he would have won bc the inside of the domain was weak due to the change of conditions.
I always thought that when he said Sukuna was holding back, he was referring to the fact that he knew Sukuna could re-incarnate and that's how he was holding back
Sukuna had a lot of techniques that he didn't even try to use, maybe because mahoraga was the for sure victory.
He could have opened the black box and done some other technique, or reincarnate.
@@Skisce😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Skisce hypothetical non-existent techniques lol
@@HaxdGlutton till he fucking has em
@@jean-jacquesfrancais6589 schizophrenia bro
Stan Lee had a message about the "who would win" and i think its just great.
Now imagine they both lived a 1000yrs, then faced each other in the current era with only their abilities.
Gojo absolutely slams, since while Sukuna wasn't alive and only his fingers were present in the world he still continuously grew stronger by constantly absorbing cursed energy through those 1000 years, now Gojo is only 28 yo and was still able to give Sukuna the fight of his life, if he was able to do the same thing as sukuna and absorb CE for 1000 years he would definitely have the edge in the battle.
They both lived 1000 years gojo totally outclasses him in literally every day..1000 plus year old sukuna almost lost to a 28 year old gojo WHILE knowing his techniques and having knowledge on his threw memories of juji and his current body. It you give gojo 1000 plus years to train he destroyes sukuna
Sukuna wasn't alive for 1000 years, he lived 1000 years AGO
@@Evxngelo No, Sukuna wasn't absorbing CE, it's been stated in earlier chapters itself that the fingers were simply regaining their original strength i.e. the seal on the fingers were getting weaker as Kenjaku and Sukuna planned to revive Sukuna in 1000 years from heian era. Gojo fans creating their own happiness after they find out even Heian Era Sukuna wins against Gojo, Lmao.
@@austinallen1775Sukuna lived 1000 years AGO, not for 1000 years
Time and time again every take you have I see all makes sense, comes from well researched knowledge and good faith, and is incredibly well put together, for how popular jjk is, and how awesome the content your putting out, I hope you continue what your doing and blow up my man, keep these coming!
I think Sukuna could win the domain clash, but only inside his domain. Gojo can't exactly be hurt in an effective way by Sukuna's barehands, maybe he could try to Donut Gojo, but Gojo could try to do the same thing since he has Blue. Sukuna could hurt him using domain amplification + Spear in the ancient times, but we still don't know about that part.
After the 1st domain clash gojo couldn't used his CT and was only using simple domain and RCT....if sukuna has 4 arm, a mouth that constantly chant, the fire Arrow from black box, his kamutoke....bro it so over for gojo right there
If sukuna didn't hold back from using DA like he did for the adaptation and spammed it. DA would simply eat the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective + sukuna can grab gojo with 2 arms and punch with other 2 constantly until gojo runs away
(*Still I think he'd kill gojo inside MS with the amped sure hit instead as punching gojo to death is quite ingenious and nearly impossible with his rct)
@@nirbanjyotidas5828Go/jo fanboys don’t listen to logic lmao
Gojo literally said "Honestly, I don't think that I would've won even if he (Sukuna) didn't have Megumi's Ten Shadows" and "I'm glad I died to someone stronger than me" and "he (Sukuna) wasn't giving it his all"
I hate when Gojo fanboys try to twist Gojo's words and say "Actually, what he meant was🤓" or "that's not what he's trying to say🥺" or "he was depressed, he didn't know what he was saying😭". I'm so done with all this copium, cap, lies and headcanon that these Gojo tards spew 🤦♂
@@cornbread9512 Being wrong doesn't make people a fan boy. You're a little obsessive bro, these are fictional characters and you're up here like someone needs to be defended as if it's a court trial.
Thanks for the awesome video!
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Damn, you have severely underestimated Sukuna. I was hopeful about your analysis but I have to say I was disappointed when you said 4 arms won't make a difference in combat. I don't know how confronting someone who can block your punches while simultaneously punching you with domain amplification will not make a difference. He would have the edge in every physical clash.
imo the 4 arms definitely would be a buff to his h2h combat, however due to the gap between him and gojo being really wide in terms of h2h i think the extra two arms would make them break even--maybe sukuna has the slight edge over gojo, but they'd still be way more relative to each other regardless
@cooperhayes1194 the gap between them in hand to hand combat is not huge. The reason why it seemed like that is because Sukuna stopped using domain amplification to fight after the second domain clash. How do we know this? He literally says it in chapter 230 when explaining to Gojo that while he was unable to use domain amplification, he used Mahoraga to adapt in the shadows. We also know that domain amplification pauses your cursed technique, and Sukuna had Mahoraga adapting in the shadows. If he was using domain amplification, Mahoraga would never have had the opportunity to adapt to unlimited void. Also, we saw Sukuna's performance in the 2nd domain clash when he was using domain amplification. He actually tagged and surprised Gojo. He also used domain amplification to be able to touch Gojo. But then in the other domain clashes, Gojo is seen using "telekinesis" on Sukuna which would not work if Sukuna had domain amplification on all the time. If Sukuna was not trying to get Mahoraga to adapt, his performance in the domain clashes would have been significantly better. Add 4 arms to it and he would have killed Gojo in the domain clashes because Gojo would not have been able to land unlimited void.
@@Purifi3r it not huge but still showing how sukuna with all 4 arms was fight yuij gojo wil win
@@morningstars-X3 brother that Sukuna was literally jumped by the whole cast. And the only reason Yuji won was because of Nobara and Megumi. It's stupid to compare lol
Great breakdown, this is really good.
You got a big part wrong. Sukuna with no mahoraga has absolutely no reason to flip his conditions to make the outside stronger. He would just keep it inside. The only reason he done that was so maho could adapt in the time it took to destroy the domain from outside. Which AS YOU SAID gojo even questioned. So no he wouldn’t get hit with uv because the sure hits would cancel
Go/jo flipped his domain conditions so Sukuna countered it with flipping his to break it. He would literally be risking his life for no reason if what you are was remotely true. It aint that deep
He has a huge reason: winning. Without Mahoraga, his only way to win is through domain clashes. Technically, he could try to shatter the domain manually from the inside, but Gojo is superior at hand to hand and wouldn't allow it.
@@Blade.5786 Gojo himself said that destroying the domain from the outside was the riskier option, which means destroying it from the inside would be easier.
@@edwardirwin3478 exactly. He would have just destroyed in from inside not out since there’s no maho
@@Blade.5786he is not superior in h2h combat. They were equal even in weak megumi’s body until Sukuna stopped using amplification in order to adapt.
Four arm Sukuna will wash the shlt out of Go/jo
Like if Sukuna never had to hold back his technique due to adaptation, he'd still win domain clashes. Since Gojo was getting hit by slashes while healing and not opening his domain, we can say that Sukuna would have the time to use his CT like fuga or cleave or wtv on Gojo while pressing him in h2h, and that sure hit effect would go through infinity and hit, damage, or even kill Gojo, no ten shadows required.
You're getting it confused. Sukuna cannot press gojo in h2h if casting fuga and cleaves wouldn't work from what we have seen. Gojo saying his technique is superior is referring to potency. Gojo's techniques hit harder and his defense is greater.
Cleaves don't do much damage to gojo. If you don't think so, refer to all the people who have been hit with cleave and dismantle including mahoraga. They sever the opponents limbs and bodies but always only leave shallow cuts on gojo.
The malevolent shrines slashes are stronger because you use a heavy amount of cursed energy for domains and they are unlimited which is why gojo was bleeding so much. But they never severed his body and gojo was laughing throughout it. This is important about fuga as well. Which people think will be a game changer against gojo. It won't. It likely will only leave major burns that can be healed by RCT. If Choso was not incinerated to dust, gojo can literally withstand it just fine.
You don't understand this simple fact. Gojo was also holding back during the fight. Gojo can spam his moves. Red, blue max output, purple. We only saw 2 hollow purples despite this and less than a handful of reds. And I think 2 output blue. This is DIRECTLY and SIMPLY because of mahoraga
If this is the case, going off the facts, gojo will adapt to sukuna's domain after the second domain clash.
So sukuna MUST, I repeat MUST kill gojo by then. Because after this point, gojo will always be able to either beat sukuna's domain or they will be equal. This is also shown in the Manga. After gojo changes his domain conditions, he never lost a domain battle after and they do 1 or 2 more.
So this means that as soon as the malevolent shrine goes up, gojo can start spamming his moves to destroy the physical shrine. There is NO WAY that sukuna can stop multiple reds, multiple blues or purples from destroying the physical shrine, which is easy for gojo to break. Which means, sukuna ONLY have h2h. And must run amplification constantly. That's if his cursed technique doesn't go down because his shrine is destroyed.
Now sukuna does not easily beat gojo in h2h just because he has 4 arms. And evidence says gojo would still win h2h but that's another debate. The point is that, at this point, sukuna must do something that makes gojo break his domain and his only options are h2h( Maybe a cursed tool but it likely wouldn't help here because he had to use the tool to resurrect in the first place)
The problem with sukuna relying on h2h inside a domain is this, gojo can fight too, and if any of gojo's strikes lands the unlimited void lands. And anytime unlimited void lands, it'll be longer than less than 10 seconds. Which essentially permanently disabled sukuna from using domain expansion for the remainder of the Manga. Additionally it could also disable sukuna's ability to use cursed techniques. This is on top of the fact that gojo will likely crush all of sukuna's internal organs while sukuna is stunned by unlimited void. This was going to happen if not for mahoraga. This is the most likely outcome from what we have seen.
Which means sukuna has 2 chances to beat gojo off their raw stats right at the very beginning. Then gojo gains a great advantage when they both get a chance to adapt to eachother with no prep time. And the only way sukuna can do that, is to break the domain which disables gojo's infinity and instantly cast world cutting slash hoping that gojo doesn't dodge it. He will likely have 1 more chance in a domain battle until gojo switches his barrier conditions. Then, gojo wins.
People also don’t understand how much information Sukuna had on Gojo through Itadori,Megumi, and Kenjaku the mother fucker had the playbook.
You moving like Gojo didn’t have the same playbook on Sukuna. In fact he was a playbook that is 1000 years old
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH He didn't tho.
Gojo didn't know that Sukuna could, and did, have Megumi's soul take the burden of Mahoraga's adaptation from infinity.
He didn't know that he had an open domain.
He didn't even know that Sukuna could use domain amplification while using his domain expansion simultaneously.
And most importantly he didn't know that Mahoraga keeps finding more ways to adapt after completing the first cycle of adaptation.
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH gojo knew nothing next to nothing about sukuna wdym
@@watunki man knew about his fingers, his strength, his CT, etc. He's even the one who gave a rundown of Sukuna to Yuji using that 1000 year plus playbook Sukunas legacy had left
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH yeah because of his six eyes, a ability passed too him. sukuna got the playbook of the other team, and gojo watched the other teams highlights, two different things
3:04 I appreciate this fair hypothetical but lets not forget a key contradiction/detail here regarding Sukuna's "Win condition" _requiring_ ten shadows, and that is that he is ALSO holding back because he _needs_ a healthy Heian form to fight the entire sorcerer squad that will immediately drop after he wins. He knew the fight against Gojo could be dangerous, so whatever damage he might take, it could've proven too much to also deal against the coming fights where he gets no rest.
With this in mind, the argument that he needed Mahoraga to beat Gojo becomes less solid, especially when you take into account Sukuna likes to improve in every fight, he likes to test his own limits and learn something new, as you said yourself, he was looking for some new way to by-pass limitless (so long as it wouldn't cost him his life, he was still going all out indeed, but again- He always could've reverted all damage by going Heian form, and so, you have to aknowladge Sukuna was actively seeking 3 goals:
1. Defeat Gojo
2.Learn a way to adapt with Mahoraga
3. Be in prime condition to beat a whole group of sorcerers whom have dangerous wild cards like Higuruma, Takaba, Yuta and Hana to name a few, he is well aware of their threat via his time in Yuji's soul ).
So it's less that he knew he could only win with that OP technique hence that's why he chose to use the ten shadows, but more that he knew he needed the Heian form to fully heal for the sorcerers trying to finish him off (plus the adaptation could teach him something new).
You can still say it's a toss-up, but while I prefer leaving it as a Toss-up, I think this fact lends credence to the idea that Heian era Sukuna could have ways to beat Gojo. ( such as simply out-punching Gojo after their first Dimensional fight due to Sukuna just having 2 hands that can hold gojo's hands down like we see after their first few domain clashes, as well as superior strength and curse technique amplified by hand signs and his 2nd mouth incantations). So I slightly give it to Heian form Sukuna [he could win 65 out of 100 fights], but I could see Gojo adapting and finding a win.
ultimately I just wanna clear the record in saying that we don't know if Sukuna has something else that could get a win condition out of Gojo's limitless just because Sukuna chose to go with the Ten Shadows strategy as possibly the most effective one that didn't involve his Heian form.
😮 all this yappin to produce very faulty logic. Excuses on top of excuses
We've seen his ultimate technique, he doesn't have anything to get through Infinity.
Honestly great videos even though some fans will just get very mad it was a good fair analysis
I loved this breakdown. You brought up so many points I hadn’t considered.
Heres my only concern with the domain battle (I’m a gojo fan btw, wanting him to win):
When Gojos domain breaks the first time, Sukuna says “I won’t let you get away” and fights him in hand to hand combat whilst in the domain. IF, and that’s the IF, Sukuna does end up rivaling Gojo in hand to hand combat with 4 arms, I’m worried Gojo wouldn’t be able to regain balance, get his cursed technique back and fire off a second domain.
That’s a thought that has always been haunting my brain haha
In the case where there's no mahoraga, you can't forget that he gets the sure hit effect especially on that first clash where he did not need to use a binding-vow to remove the sure-hit effect. Since he can use shrine in a domain WITH a sure hit...then he would be able to use moves like the Fire Arrow, Cleave, Dismantle, his cursed tool, etc etc on Gojo while Gojo plays defensive to heal. Pretty surefire way to win IMO, especially since fire arrow is up there with purple in terms of devastation and damage.
@@saturn9536 he didn't remove the sure hit in the first clash,he had it, they just cancelled out. The issue is gojo is fast enough to just leave the domain in time. its why sukuna had to physically engage gojo. if he tried to load fire arrow gojo would just leave the domain. downside of an open barrier against someone as fast and durable as gojo.
1. 5:38 No, he was not going for the kill shot, Sukuna is the owner of the DE, he has fought countless foes with it before so he knows RCT is the biggest weakness of his DE as was the case with Mahoraga in Shibuya. Saying Sukuna was going for the kill shot in that instance is as good as saying Sukuna was ignorant of the weakness of his own DE especially after the Shibuya incident. Sukuna knew almost everything about Gojo + the fact that he had RCT which meant that he could withstand the sure hit of the DE, so if he was truly going for the kill shot he would have switched to something else in his arsenal in that moment.
2. The benefits of Four arm Sukuna aren't just for chanting, the past four chapters before shown us that, vs Choso vs Higuruma, etc.
3. 9 out of 10 times Heian era Sukuna wins the DE battle against Gojo, even if Gojo comes with the shrinking DE, you forget that the only time UV hit Sukuna was when he was so damaged he had to heal b4 opening the DE giving Gojo a 0.01sec gap, four arm Sukuna doesn't get damaged to that extent, and he heals and opens his DE at the same time if he does.
4. Know one talks about Sukuna's weapons when they rehash the battle vs Heian Era Sukuna.
5. Gojo's biggest win con is Blackflash, HP and UV(if it hits), and I rate BlackFlash and HP over UV to give him the advantage, because the UV is not guaranteed to hit Sukuna if they're spamming DE.
6. When Sukuna's CT is explained and we know the extent of his abilities, that's when we're truly going to know how far/close Gojo actually is to Sukuna, and how much Sukuna was really holding back, because if it happens that Sukuna also has metaphysical attacks in the black-box / the black-box can actually clone/steal opp abilities(which I don't think it does) then he was really really really really holding back.
Exactly
RCT is not a weakness in sukuna DE. The only reason Mahoraga survived was BC he was adopted not, read chapter 119 again.
Sukuna was holding back like shown multiple times in the manga.
RCT heals after an attack it doesn't stop an attack. Look at the person with the best RCT hakari. Even he loses his body parts after an Attack then regenerates with RCT.
If she looks at the SLASHES of sukuna against Gojo they looks similar to yuji in 214 when his output was less than 10%.
Sukuna was holding back BC his main goal was not to kill gojo but enhanced his CT. That's why he needed mahoraga.
He was taking all those risks for Maho adaptation. Check 228 even gojo mentioned it "why is attacking from the riskier side" oh we can answer that, it was for mahoraga.
@@flopflipflop I don’t think his domain was weakened I think gojo was just healing the slashes as they cut him
@@IsThatAThaiName that's not how RCT works my friend. Go read what Cleave does in ch.119 it cuts a person one fell swoop. That means gojo should've lost body parts with the slashes. What you're saying RCT stops the slashes and that's not how RCT works. RCT heals a person after a hit. Compare it to the person with the best RCT in jjk hakari even he loses his body parts after a strong attack and then heals it immediately with RCT. That's how RCT works. Not your imaginary assumption.
The only reason why the slashes weren't deep was BC sukuna was holding back.
The thing you're headcanon assumption doesn't even hold up for 2 times in the manga. First 225 the first slash gojo received unexpected he sued RCT after receiving the Slash in 226.
Second time was when he stopped using RCT for his body and was charging up RED. Even then he was getting weak slashes that weren't deep.
Hope this information helps you
@@flopflipflop yeah but the cut doesn’t have infinite speed, it still has to travel so as it travels through gojo he heals it
The common flaw that I find in these Heian era Sukuna vs Gojo take is thinking that Sukuna will fight the same way as he did in Megumi. They don't even bother to read the fight again and find out why he did what he did. Another thing is that people often say that he needed Mahoraga to win when that was clearly not the case. People even go as far to say that Sukuna went out of his way to get the 10S to beat Gojo when that was not the case. He needed Megumi because he had no way of permanently taking over Yuji because of his indomitable will, we see him try his best many times to break him but wasn't successful, chapter 248 even reinforces that. He specifically mentioned it that he waited for Megumi's soul/will to break for his plan to succeed as he was aware that Megumi can also become a prison like Yuji. He then proceeds to take an evil bath, kill Tsumiki, and have Megumi take UV to further solidify his control. So it's more like Sukuna went out of his way to free himself, the CT was just a bonus and Mahoraga wasn't even known before he made his plan.
To make it more clear. Sukuna did not use Mahoraga to just kill Gojo, he can do that with Malevolent Shrine, but then again there is no merit to that from Sukuna's POV, as he only killed Gojo but never solved the problem with infinity. It's like asking ChatGPT to answer your homework and not show the step by step solution and never learn a thing, but what Sukuna did was ask ChatGPT(Mahoraga) how solve the problem. That's why he took the riskier approach and only because he can heal himself afterwards through complete transformation. It's the same thing on why he went out of his way to make a pact with Kenjaku so that he can learn how to become a cursed object and split one's soul, to solve the problem of death. Both Gojo and Sukuna knew that the only way to grow is to face a formidable opponent, which is a recurring theme in JJK(e.g Mahito grew because of Yuji and Todo), and in their fight we see them both grow in power, however only one has to come out on top.
Your wild if you think sukuna can kill gojo in his domain Gojo can clearly outlive it he says himself he’s happy that his limitless is far better also gojo can use his blue to literally tp out
True.... And this video will create more misunderstanding 😢
@@subhadrakunwar8022 Wdym? Ofc Sukuna can kill Gojo in his Domain. The reason y Gojo won the last couple Domain Expansion battles is cuz Sukuna didn't attempt to destroy Gojo's Domain from the inside earlier on, as noted by Gojo himself.
Gojo only survived Sukuna's Domain cuz of RCT, which had to be at "full throttle" so that Gojo wouldn't get cut to pieces. If Gojo had taken any more damage at the moment when he was getting cut up in Sukuna's Domain then his RCT would've failed him and he would've died
Heain Era Sukuna with his improved h2h, chants, boosts, Kamutoke, fire arrow, etc.. would b too much for Gojo to handle and Sukuna would overwhelm him. If that had happened, Gojo wouldn't have lasted even 10 chapters
Sukuna acquiring the ten shadows and Maho being a perfect counter were happy accidents but I do vastly attribute Sukunas win to Maho massively accelerating the time to learn the dimension cleave which I do not think he could of done before dieing. Sukuna did go out of his way to aquire Megumis but I also agree that he was not aware of the Ten Shadows being a solid counter till later. Although seeing Maharoga could of had the gears in Sukunas head turning as early as Shibuya it was never confirmed or hinted at tho so it's purely speculation but I do see why people would think he did
Also small correction MS never destroyed IV from inside he did it by having the eange of MS being outside to attack the barrier where as seen in mahitos domain are weaker to outside attacks.
No.
There is an 80% chance Heian era Sukuna wins in the first round of Domain battle, but if somehow they both completely burn out each other's domains and are still alive Gojo will win with almost absolute certainity
I was just about to write this lol. Fr tho what is sukuna going to do if he doesn't win the domain clash ( even tho I do think he'd win 8/10 times) amplification won't be enough and gojo will have free rain to do whatever he wants
Didn't they say it's about who's domain is more refined? So, why should it be different? Is there some context in the fanbook I'm missing?
@@tri33208 given his most cursed energy than anyone ever domain amplification might actually work if set up correctly
@@CoolOkay_ not against an open domain sukana just hits them from the outside. maybe if gojo just teleports away from domains then he could waste sukanas domain a few times. the binding vow on it's 200 meter radius is so people can escpae and gojo is one of the only people who could actually escape it
@@xavmanisdabestest Yeah, didn't think of that, Gojo could teleport outside of it and he also would be able to tell if it's an open domain due to Six eyes
Sukuna already explained his mindset to kashimo. all his fights are for entertainment, yet people still talk as if he is desperate to win fights, saying things like "If he could he would". the only person he didnt let give their all was kashimo because kashimo asked him to show him strenght. he usually lets his opponents empty their bag before killing them. heian era sukuna going all out against Gojo ends in the domain clashes.
No one is any where near Gojo or sukunas level. There literally no one he could go all out on except Gojo. Cant compare random sorcerers to Gojo
That argument doesn’t even work lmao
fight isn't enjoyable and entertaining if you didn't get serious
Amber beast Kashimo doesn't scale anywhere near full output sukuna and gojo, he was matching an almost completely depleted and battle damaged megkuna yet his buffed h2h didn't give him any edge at all
Nearly dead sukuna@@ilicktrains8304
I hope so much that Yuji gets a huge power up so he can fight hand to hand with 4 arms Sukuna,I really want to see how 4 vs 2 arms would go when he’s not fighting fodder like that bug spirit
currently he's not doing so well, despite gaining more power and rct, we have to see how yuta/rika does now
@@aymanriki1018soul dmg + blood manipulation
Before I watch the video, I want to mention a thing I heard in another video that made tons of sense and I wanna see if you touch on it.
In their fight, the only reason Gojo didn’t lose during the domain clashes portion of the fight is because Gojo was able to injure Sukuna enough in the 3 minutes 9 seconds it took for Shrine to destroy Gojo’s domain that Sukuna’s domain dropped at the same time.
However……the theory goes that this was possible because Sukuna’s hand to hand abilities are not as good in his megumi form.
In his true form, he is notably stronger and faster and of course has 4 arms (more to block and strike with)
So… it doesn’t really matter how much stronger, if we agree that version of Sukuna is even a fraction stronger at hand to hand then suddenly multiple times in a row Gojo would be unable to do enough damage to force Sukuna to drop his domain.
And that alone is checkmate. Sukuna wins again.
Gojo has infinity my g, hand to hand combat doesn't really work on Goatjo. I think you missed the part on why Sukuna needed Mahoraga in the first place
@SplashMeraki he's not saying that sukuna will be better than gojo at h2h , he's saying that sukuna would be 1 second better at defending himself until the 3 mins and 9s , which gojo domain and losses his ct. And if you follow this same pattern 5 times gojo dies because he runs out of domains. (Sukuna and gojo both broke each other's domains at the same time twice) long story short
1.4 arms >meguna at defending himself
2.meguna =gojo surving 3 mins 9s
3. 4 Arms > 3mins 9s
@@chosen1337 How would sukuna cut him or anything of that matter without any way to bypass infinity, is the point of my comment. Not that Sukuna will be better at h2h. Im saying Sukuna has no way to bypass infinity without mahoraga
@@ilymeraki you’re forgetting that during the domain clashes both of their cursed techniques are turned off and applied only to their domain.
During domain clashes Sukuna can’t use slashes himself but Gojo can’t use infinity either (or blue or red, ect)
So during that small amount of time they both can only punch each other including Sukuna can punch Gojo because Infinity is down.
Luckily for Gojo, he seemed to be a decent bit better at hand to hand combat than Sukuna was in megumi form.
But what I’m saying is that suddenly becomes less true in Sukuna’s true form.
Also once Gojo’s domain was destroyed, if Sukuna’s wasn’t brought down at the same time then Gojo would he hit by slashes (because infinity doesn’t work inside of Sukuna’s domain expansion)
I’m sure you remember the part where Gojo was getting cut up in the domain expansion and had to use Reverse Cursed Technique to heal right?
Well after that happened twice, he stopped it from happening again because the next 3 times he summoned his own domain (infinite void) he made sure to do enough damage to Sukuna with his own two hands to force Sukuna’s domain to drop at the same time the slashes from Sukuna’s domain were destroying Gojo’s Barrier from the outside so it was basically a draw on the tug of war between domains.
But if Sukuna was in his true form, Gojo wouldn’t be able to do the damage fast enough and Sukuna‘s domain would stay up.
Tldr: Sukuna doesn’t need Mahoraga IN HIS DOMAIN EXPANSION (and his domain expansion would work this time because his physical body is stronger in 4 arms mode and he wouldn’t take so much damage from Gojo that his domain would drop at the same time Gojo’s does)
@SplashMeraki gojo losses his ct after he loses domains, domain 1. Gojo not only loses infinity but his speed advantage as well. 2nd way is sukuna gets to 5 domains without being hit by UV. Gojo takes brain damage his rct is almost at 0 and dies to a closed domain which is what sukuna thought was going to happen in 230.
I think 4 arm Sukuna would likely be at least equal to Gojo if not superior in hand-to-hand combat just based on the Kashimo fight. Kashimo was dominating Sukuna in hand-to-hand when he first activated his technique, but the second Sukuna reincarnated into his Heian era form, he was suddenly forcing Kashimo back. However, Gojo will probably get the edge in information because even if Gojo was plopped in the middle of the Heian era in front of Sukuna with no info, his 6 eyes would immediately figure out Sukuna's slashing technique. The one thing that we don't know, and that wasn't discussed in this video, is how Gojo knew the effective radius of Sukuna's open barrier domain. Was it because of the 6 eyes (in which case why didn't he just expand his domain to a 200m radius the first time?) or was it because of information he gathered from the students who were in Shibuya? Because if Gojo doesn't know Sukuna's effective range, he won't necessarily be on equal terms in the 2nd domain clash because maybe he doesn't expand his domain far enough, or he expands it too far which dilutes the sure-hit effect. There's just a lot of unknowns in this fight.
Kashimo dominated him in hand to hand because Sukuna was almost dead. we really don't know what the power gap between heian era and Meguna(if there even is one at all) everything is just pure speculation.
@@OkechukwuObahwhy wouldn’t there be a power gap. His heian era from is physical “buffer”, has 2 more arms and an extra mouth.
@@OkechukwuObahmeguna is weaker but not by much also yea kashimo only dominated a deathbed 1 armed sukuna and was ok with 4 arm sukuna not great but just ok
Gojo would've had a far easier time against Hein Sukuna than Megkuna. People ignore the prep Sukuna had to face Gojo. If he didn't have knowledge of Gojo and his abilities from Yuji, Megumi, and Kenjaku then he loses. I'm glad you brought up his prep time as it's so ignored.
The thing is sukuna does know about infinity, cuz he exists during the era of the three big clans. The only information we are sure that he doesnt know back then was how touching the user helps him avoid UV sure hits. And the reason he doesnt know about the automatic infinity walls because gojo was the first one to do it, we know this because if it were known that infinity user can uses this, gojo wouldnt have had to train by himself to master it.
There's a very big chance the head clan during the heian era was an infinity user, not necessarily an six eyes infinity user. Sukuna should has a basic understanding of how infinity works and how dangerous the UV sure hits are
Infinity didn't exist back then. It's just like how Sukuna didn't know about 10 S until he saw Megumi. Those techniques are more modern the big 3 clans didn't exist
@@shepardice3775 He knows about ten shadows, what he doesn't know about is mahoraga.
And the zenin clan also has another generational technique which is the projection ct. So there is a chance
@@minhluong6875 He didn't know about 10 Shadows. That's why he asked Megumi a bunch of questions about his technique. He was trying to figure out how it worked
@@shepardice3775 Like i said, there is a chance, not guarantee to be true. Another theory i have in mind is that the ten shadows was intentionally hid by the zenin clans or a user didnt exist during sukuna's time. The reason why the match between the six eyes infinity user and the ten shadows user ended in both of them killing themselves must have mean that that was the first time mahoraga was introduced to the other clans, we know this due to megumi statement during the first time he summoned mahoraga.
Even if those technique didnt exist back then, sukuna met kenjaku back then, so those informations could have come from him instead.
Also im pretty sure he only asking about mahoraga. I cant imagine some shikigami like nue and divine dogs can fascinated him
@@minhluong6875 He literally was fascinated by Nue because Nue saved him from crashing into a building unprotected when Sukuna hit him. He asked Megumi how his summons worked and without knowing anything about Mahoraga at all he said Megumi was a waste of talent for running from the finger bearer
Miwa absolutely mops the floor with Sukuna and Gojo, even if they decided to 2v1 her. It's no to low diff
I think the problem is that a large sum of manga readers are young and JJK sometimes can get too overwhelming on the info. So, rather than focusing on the characters and the technicalities of the power system they try to oversimply the outcome. What they could do is just enjoy the uncertainty of the outcomes if they really think with a rational mind.
I've seen kids stating Sukuna to be just a misunderstood sorcerer and Gojo to be the most evil character in JJK just because he's very confident.😂
One more thing, people assume that DA and CTs can be used simultaneously with the help of two extra hands so Sukuna slams.
My question is, what made Mahito not do it in Shibuya??
He can shapeshift, right?
Basically these two beast are so strong the only thing that makes a different is their usage of their domain expansion which is the pinnacle of jujutsu sorcery. Honestly a pretty satisfying answer ngl
It seems like the argument comes down to “Did Sukuna need Mahoraga because he couldn’t do it by himself?” and I honestly think he did, I also understand why people would think Sukuna doesn’t need him.
he needs him because it a much safer option than just blasting domain clashes against Gojo.The only way for sukuna to beat gojo is through domain clashes as in his true form he doesn't take nearly as much damage as he did in megumi's body,also there was a time limit in which gojo had to break sukuna's domain in hein era form that doesn't happen.Gege probably didn't go for this route because he had to milk the shit out of Gojo's true power ,getting your brain fried after consistent domain clashes isn't the best way to do it.
4:04 how do you say that he doesn't have a win condition, while he could've used his four arms to win inside the domain and knowing that gojo can't use his domain more than 5 times Gojo loses, Sukuna's problem inside the domain was that Gojo was stronger physically but with the four arms there is no greater advantage Sukuna wins physically, and about infinite void amplification is way enough to stop it
True finally a fair comparison. We also still need to see what the black box does too so it really is a toss up.
This aged really well
I've got an interesting question what happens if Gojo fights Sukuna NOW!. Sukuna having a way to bypass infinity also knowing he has the upper hand in a domain clash (since he has an open domain) wouldn't Sukuna have a waaaay easier time dealing with Gojo?
that's not an interesting question
If Gojo somehow could make the Infinity barrier into a higher dimension(He technically could do it) the dimensional slash would become ineffective.
And the fight then would turn in a weird race of who can get their technique into a higher dimension sooner than the other.
There is also the possibility that Gojo could automate the dimensional scaling of his barrier, if he somehow made Limitless also consider how many dimensions the atk has,Something that would make no form of Dimensional Slash ever work on him again.
Note: I said that Gojo could access higher dimensions and thats just because the nature of his ability.
A line(1D)is made by an infinite amount of points(0D), a plane(2D) is mde of an infinite amount of lines and so on, an object of an higher dimension is described as an infinite amount od object of the previous dimension. And by that logic since gojo already has a geometric ability that has infinity as part of it, Gojo could theoretically access/create any dimension he wanted to.
@@nachtlicht_0 Ikr? & it goes both ways but it favours Sukuna a LOT more... Gojo knows how to deal with the Domain disadvantage by shrinking his domain but it LITERALLY wouldn't matter one bit cause Mahoraga has already adapted to Gojo's Domain right?!... The more I ponder on this question the more i feel Sukuna got sooo damn strong in that one fight with Gojo to be able to now deal with Gojo or Ten Gojo's?!.... I really want OUR Manganimist analysis to this question pls 😭.
@@victorctct You have to remember Mahoraga, Mahoraga has already adapted to unlimited void, Sukuna can just summon that Shikigami & that's it for unlimited void, after that Gojo won't be able to use his CT for a moment, malevolent shrine will hit! & kill Gojo for sure, We already saw what dismantle did to Gojo! so that answers that.
@supremedeity2890 Not here to argue who wins, but maho is DEAD. There is no bringing him back. So, him coming up in this hypothetical battle wouldn't work.
You started off reasonable then went into full bullshit mode 😒
Sukuna's gameplan was to grow stronger from the fight by choosing to cut space.
You make it sound like he got mahoraga specifically for Gojo. He didn't. He had no idea Gojo would be free nor did he care.
Addressing the elephant in the room. Saying he has no win con without adaptation is where you lost me.
Sukuna would open his domain and it would beat Gojo's because its a better domain.
Gojo would use his plot armor and tank the slashes cause he's Gojo and Sukuna would end him with the fire arrow or three because they would still be in his domains sure hit.
Saying Sukuna HAD to use Mahoraga is crazy.
Not to mention it said Sukuna was feeling fear for the first time if he was toying around there would be no need for him to feel fear
Uneasiness or feeling tension depends on the translations so no, it was no fear, also he assumed that the first HP was purely Gojo so he calculated bad
@@nagorepalaciosdelafuente you’re 100% wrong. It specifically said he felt “Nervous for the first time in a THOUSAND YEARS” there’s no need to be nervous for the first time in a thousand years if you’re toying around with someone
@@leeprime My dear you are the one that's wrong In what world being nervous is equal to having fear come on if you can even differentiate between the meaning of words I can't do much for you to understand, I can be nervous and feel tension but also not having fear
@@leeprime Also following your clear misunderstanding words have I said that he was toying with him? Obviously not but Sukuna didn't experience fear but tension cause Gojo landing a Black Flash was completely out of his control, It's something that it's not a given so you know, also he was feeling tension of the HP cause he thought It was purely Gojos doing, he calculated that the 200% one was like 120% and that Gojo can do that on his own
@@nagorepalaciosdelafuente I can’t admit when I’m wrong fear and nervousness aren’t the exact same they are synonymous with each other. When someone feels nervous it’s because they fear this thing to some degree. So I will admit to being wrong in using the word “fear”, but being nervous for the first time in a thousand years heavily implies fear to some degree
Just a thought here. But, what if Gojo's "Nah, I'd Win" statement meant that he could feat Sukuna at his full power, but in Yuuji's body. Did he really consider that Sukuna could change his vessel and take over Megumi's body? Gojo lost to Sukuna mainly because of Megumi's technique, which helped one of its wielders in the past kill a six eyes and infinity user. Sukuna acquiring the ten shadows technique was a tipping point that even Gojo understood. He told Sukuna he wouldn't hold back since it's Megumi, which I believe he was referring to Megumi's technique. So, would Gojo win against 20-finger Sukuna trapped in Yuuji's body? Most likely yes. However, 19 fingered Sukuna (who ate his own skull to boost his power) plus the ten shadows technique was just a wildcard matchup that not even Gojo had accounted for. Just my two cents though.
Lmao what. Stop coping so hard its not good for ur health
@@ikki_404 😂😂😂I'll try
Soooooo i disagree with some point. Sukuna clearly said he could hear what is outside theough yuji, which means he knew gojo domain when used against jogo, also he also known about the infinity and purple technique.
Calm down in the beginning of the video the man clear said all this is hypothetical that you should not believe what people say in verses battle like this except the author
@@Pancakeyu im just stating some things that he just forgot, im not saying that sukuna would definitely win. I mean look at the fight of the 2 while he had more info about gojo
this guy understands jjk the most and there is no doubt about it
throughout heaven and earth he alone is the jjk understander
1. It's a death match bro, gojo saying he won't win doesn't mean they're shaking hands at the end. It means he thinks he'd still die.
2. He needed the adaptation to bypass infinity not to kill gojo especially if megumi's brain is replaced with sukuna's heian brain and body (*5 extra domain spins)
3. Sukuna's reasons for choosing Megumi were stated and sorry but megumi wasn't one of them + kenjaku(*one of the smartest characters in the verse) had Yujikuna(*15f) as a contingency plan in case they failed to seal Gojo in Shibuya
4. Yes, sukuna wasn't going for the killshot and giving the bare minimum effort and even says that he's not trying as hard as gojo + his desire to bypass infinity is also shown in how he went out of his way to use maho's partial adaptation specially for infinity along with the MS in his final attempt (*end is R1)
5. Yes, the UV hit wasn't planned but sukuna held back from using DA which reduced his own durability to speed up the adaptation process in the tied clashes which created the 0.01 sec opening in the first place (*he played a gamble on maho's adaptation to take gojo's Trump card out and made a literal punching bag out of himself for 3 min twice with no ct or DA, he himself states it after the UV hit)
6. Gojo clearly outsmarted sukuna with the red blast and then landed a Black flash right after which is based on probability so ofc it's a miscalculation.
7. Meguna held back from spamming DA which would've eaten the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Heian Sukuna is a lot stronger than meguna in h2h and physical stats unless you basically assume that an 8ft tall monster with four arms has the same physical stats as Megumi.
8. Gojo and utahime were able to amp their ct's up to 120% when they didn't skip the hand signs and incantations. It's the biggest advantage sukuna has over any sorcerer as all his ct's will be amped to 120% in his heian form including the sure hit of his domain meaning gojo's outright losing all the domain clashes as they were tied against meguna(*weaker sure hit) + gojo will get cleaved out even with max rct for the exact same reason
NAAH bro the bias gojo fanboys will ignore everything that makes sukuna mid diff gojo at any point
Man ur comment needs to be pinned 😂😂😂
"2. He needed the adaptation to bypass infinity not to kill gojo especially if megumi's brain is replaced with sukuna's heian brain and body (*5 extra domain spins)"
Read the new chapter, he still can't open his domain.
"3. Sukuna's reasons for choosing Megumi were stated and sorry but megumi wasn't one of them + kenjaku(*one of the smartest characters in the verse) had Yujikuna(*15f) as a contingency plan in case they failed to seal Gojo in Shibuya"
Meguna with 19f + mummified head is by far way stronger than 15f Yujikuna, come on bro. Each finger = 5% of Sukuna's power, and assuming the mummified head that Sukuna ate made up for the last finger, the Meguna that Gojo fought is anywhere from 20-25% stronger than 15f Yujikuna PLUS he has Ten Shadows. You also can't say that Meguna is physically weaker because he has Megumi's body as a host. When Sukuna first transferred into Megumi, he noted that Megumi was limiting his cursed energy output (meaning his technique, cursed energy manipulation and cursed energy reinforcement were all NERFED), but he stated that his physical capabilities were fine. After the bath + the death of Tsumiki/Yorozu, Megumi's soul was buried completely and Sukuna had free reign over him.
"4. Yes, sukuna wasn't going for the killshot and giving the bare minimum effort and even says that he's not trying as hard as gojo + his desire to bypass infinity is also shown in how he went out of his way to use maho's partial adaptation specially for infinity along with the MS in his final attempt (*end is R1)"
When did he say he wasn't trying as hard as Gojo lol. After Gojo's first domain broke, Sukuna literally rained down Malevolent Shrine on him at full output (dude went for Gojo's neck straight away man), and then chased Gojo to fight him H2H so he could overwhelm him (keep in mind Gojo doesn't have Infinity, Limitless Blue or Red, and he's operating RCT meaning his cursed energy output isn't at its max). Sukuna also didn't expect Gojo's cursed technique to come back so quickly, because he didn't account for the fact that Gojo knew how to heal his cursed technique with RCT, meaning he wasn't actually expecting Gojo to survive his domain for much longer. Sukuna's gameplan to use Mahoraga to bypass Infinity was THE safer option. Gojo notes that during his domain clashes with Sukuna, Sukuna could have destroyed the inside of UV's barrier quicker if he used Ten Shadows (after all, Sukuna can just try to defend against Gojo while having Mahoraga attack the barrier). The problem with this is no matter what, Sukuna is just weaker inside the domain clashes because Gojo is way superior when it comes to H2H. Sukuna could have won a domain clash very easily by summoning Mahoraga to destroy the barrier, but then he would run the risk of Gojo one shotting Mahoraga the moment it comes out, and he knows that Gojo could tank a Malevolent shrine long enough to heal his CT with RCT and open another domain expansion. Losing Mahoraga would take out a trump card that could render Unlimited Void and Infinity useless, which would mean that Sukuna would have to rely on H2H to outlast Gojo in the domain expansions, which we all know wouldn't have worked since Gojo collapsed Meguna's domain in the last clash.
"5. Yes, the UV hit wasn't planned but sukuna held back from using DA which reduced his own durability to speed up the adaptation process in the tied clashes which created the 0.01 sec opening in the first place (*he played a gamble on maho's adaptation to take gojo's Trump card out and made a literal punching bag out of himself for 3 min twice with no ct or DA, he himself states it after the UV hit)"
Sukuna was using DA. He would use DA to attack Gojo, then switch to Ten Shadows whenever he wasn't making contact with Gojo so that Mahoraga would adapt. We literally see this after the domain clashes when Sukuna is trying to adapt to Infinity. He switches between Domain amplification and Ten Shadows, and whenever he switches to Domain amp, the wheel goes black. Reread the whole sequence where Gojo catches him with the Red and you'll literally see Sukuna switching between them. It's also the smartest way to go about it. If he didn't use DA at all, he would run the risk of having his domain collapse before, 3 minutes and 9 seconds. If he ONLY used DA, Mahoraga would not be adapting. But by switching during the domain clashes, he could get away with the perks of both, and Gojo wouldn't even notice (and he didn't), because Megumi's soul was taking the adaptation whenever he swapped to Ten Shadows. Remember that Sukuna wasn't adapting to Infinity in the domain clashes, he was adapting to UV, and therefore he didn't need to be hit by Gojo to speed up the adaptation, he just needed Megumi's soul to be exposed to UV which it was constantly.
"6. Gojo clearly outsmarted sukuna with the red blast and then landed a Black flash right after which is based on probability so ofc it's a miscalculation."
The black flash is not a guaranteed factor in a fight between Gojo and Sukuna. Even so, taking a Red from behind the back (keep in mind, a point blank red collapsed Sukuna's domain), followed up by a Limitless blue punch to the gut could be a win con for Gojo, since Sukuna would be taking a shit ton of pressure from Gojo with no Mahoraga to defend him. Of course, in a fight where Sukuna ISN'T using Mahoraga, it'd be harder for Gojo to pull this off since Sukuna would be focusing more on his H2H defense.
"7. Meguna held back from spamming DA which would've eaten the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Heian Sukuna is a lot stronger than meguna in h2h and physical stats unless you basically assume that an 8ft tall monster with four arms has the same physical stats as Megumi."
He used DA, and DA doesn't COMPLETELY nullify Infinity. Jogo and Hanami could not get through Infinity with DA because they had too little cursed energy. Sukuna has enough cursed energy to get through DA no problem without having his attacks slowed down, but he cannot fully nullify Blue or Red which is something he stated before taking the Red + black flash. Even though Domain Amp would reduce the impact of Blue, Sukuna would still be slower than Gojo. We don't know if Heian Sukuna is "a lot stronger than Meguna in H2H," I feel like people infer that because Kashimo states that Sukuna in that form is physical perfection. I don't think getting a boost in physical strength/speed plays a part into the reason why Sukuna's Heian form is so godly, and the story doesn't mention anything like that anyway. The reason that the narrator gives us is because of Sukuna's extra 2 arms, and extra mouth. Having 2 extra arms is such an insane fucking advantage to have over people lol. I honestly still think Gojo would be stronger in H2H because he's simply faster with the Limitless, and he can fire Red and Blue whereas Sukuna only has H2H, but it'd definitely be a LOT more even.
"8. Gojo and utahime were able to amp their ct's up to 120% when they didn't skip the hand signs and incantations. It's the biggest advantage sukuna has over any sorcerer as all his ct's will be amped to 120% in his heian form including the sure hit of his domain meaning gojo's outright losing all the domain clashes as they were tied against meguna(*weaker sure hit) + gojo will get cleaved out even with max rct for the exact same reason"
When you're in a domain expansion, your cursed techniques and your stats are all amped. Gojo was already taking amped Cleaves and Dismantles from Malevolent Shrine lol. I think the chants/incantations make a HUGE difference outside of a domain expansion, but they don't matter when you imbue your domain with your cursed technique because domains automatically amp your stats. With that aside I don't see why Meguna would have a weaker sure-hit than Heian Sukuna. Heian Sukuna is stronger in H2H due to the fact that he has 2 extra arms, and he's also got way more leeway to multitask using his CT, using handsigns and Domain Expansions, while fighting H2H PLUS he can constantly chant using his second mouth. But nowhere does it state that his cursed energy reserves or output are higher, I mean ffs he already had complete control of Megumi's body lol.
Heian Sukuna and Gojo could go any way honestly because we just don't have enough info on that. The circumstances also matter-- Gojo travelling back in time to fight Heian era Sukuna would mean they'd have 0 intel on each other. This would create a very different fight as opposed to Gojo fighting Heian Sukuna in Meguna's place in the current timeline.
Gojo would have won against Meguna if he had a little bit more intel. Had Gojo known about the open barrier, he would have shrunk his barrier down from the very first domain clash, or he would have at least reversed the internal and external conditions of his domain. Remember, Mahoraga only adapted to UV by the 5th domain clash, and right after Sukuna withstood UV. If Gojo started the domain clashes by reversing the internal/external conditions of his domain, Gojo could catch Sukuna in his UV within the 4th clash potentially, and had Gojo started by shrinking his barrier from the very first clash, Sukuna would have DEFINITELY withstood UV before Mahoraga's adaptation, and he would have no answer for it. On the other hand, Sukuna literally knew everything about Gojo because Kenjaku gave him the drop on that nigga, and keep in mind Kenjaku has Geto's memories, and Geto knows everything about Gojo.
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1. Yeah the reincarnation and whole brain thing needs a proper explanation (*rn it feels like a plot Armor to the good guys tbh and I can explain why he can't use MS rn but then it'd counter the fact that he tried using MS and maho's partial adaptation simultaneously too that's why we need a good explanation here from gege)
2. Yujikuna (*15f) > Meguna(*20f) in physical stats. Having complete control over his ce output and physical movements doesn't change the fact that yuji's body on a base level is waaay stronger than Megumi's + Yuji was on the brink of death anyways when sukuna took over, I don't think he was fighting back or limiting sukuna at all as he later sees everything sukuna did using his body.
3. Gojo says - "it pleases my heart to see you trying so hard" and sukuna says - "not as hard as you" while smiling (*yours can be a different translation the point is still the same)
CE output got nothing to do with burned out CT. Gojo was using max output rct and it's stated by sukuna (*I trust his judgement more than yours or mine)
4. Way superior is a bs take tbh (*ik it's Meguna but still) as Meguna was not using DA and reduced his own durability the entire time because of the adaptation. If Meguna slams DA the entire time it'll eat the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Gojo has 6 eyes and will still perform better but he isn't dog-walking meguna like most people think.
(*You probably mean how gojo beats tf out of sukuna in the tied clashes right? That's not happening against a yujikuna or even meguna who slams DA. Basically if sukuna doesn't hold back to take UV out and fry gojo's brain MS can land 4 times but he does because like he said in the 5th clash, bro intended to adapt to infinity simultaneously while carving gojo to pieces)
5. Way superior is a bs take tbh (*ik it's Meguna but still) as Meguna was not using DA and reduced his own durability the entire time because of the adaptation. If Meguna slams DA the entire time it'll eat the blue infused punches and they won't be that effective. Gojo has 6 eyes and will still perform better but he isn't dog-walking meguna like most people think.
6. You probably mean how gojo beats tf out of sukuna in the tied clashes right? That's not happening against a yujikuna or even meguna who slams DA. Basically if sukuna doesn't hold back to take UV out and fry gojo's brain MS can land 4 times but he does because like he said in the 5th clash, bro intended to adapt to infinity simultaneously while carving gojo to pieces
7. Sukuna himself says that while unable to use DA in the tied clashes he had Megumi's soul adapt to UV and as a result couldn't use any other ct (*now if you're correct and he was using DA by pausing the adaptation then firstly will maho even be able to adapt in that short amount of time and secondly why won't he use any other ct to break the domain from the inside? He could've used the 10s other than maho to break the weak barrier like shadow divine dogs)
8. You covered the Black flash instance very well. I got nothing but praise to add to that.
9. Meguna was fairly relative to gojo in h2h with DA before the domain clashes started. As for heian sukuna i personally think he's way stronger than Megumi's body in physical stats and adding 20f ce on that should be an exponential increase (*meguna is like yuta, weak physically but very high ce while heian sukuna and yujikuna are like near toji physique + you're adding 20f of ce on it)
10. No, the amp comes from being in your territory. It's basically applicable on barrier domains where the user has territorial advantage. Sukuna imposes his domain on the real world itself without a barrier thus he gets no territorial amps like normal domains. (*Also that point of mine about amping the sure hit is dumb asf, ignore that)
11. Gojo wins if he has Intel and sukuna still held back and continued to choose riskier options. Adapting or not is sukuna's privilege not a necessity. Who knows he gives up entirely on that plan and starts spamming his own ct instead if pushed. I saw Gojo flipping the conditions as an attempt to push sukuna to show all his cards and go all out instead of relying solely on the sure hit.
You know bro, you can write essays and deduce those points all you like but it's a pointless debate -
1. Gojo(*fp) vs Heian Sukuna : heian sukuna has 2 cursed tools and would've made a selfie stick out of gojo with his trident inside MS with no infinity (*like you said he has 4 arms and can essentially grab gojo with 2 arms and decapitate him + no blue as ct burnout)
2. Gojo(*fp) vs True form : basically heian sukuna but without the tools, here too he can grab gojo's arms and punch with the other 2 or even use a point blank fire arrow while Gojo's simultaneously getting cleaved out. (*Restraining gojo from escaping is much easier with 4 arms as they can stop his use of simple domain and fbe)
3. Gojo(*fp) vs Yujikuna(*15f) : this one is actually tricky and can go either way. It depends on several factors like 15f having only 3 DE spins max, can fire arrow one shot gojo? What if gojo gets lucky and lands a black flash amping his stats, can yujikuna destroy the domain from inside with his arrow while gojo is on guard etc. but in general yujikuna has a higher durability than Meguna meaning MS will land 3 times minimum, now if gojo can survive the MS 3 times with yujikuna going all out to kill gojo with his ct's then he can win but the odds are definitely in yujikuna's favor unless gojo luckily lands a black flash.
One thing to remeber is that that sukuna will have less cursed energy than modern one maybe only by a small margin but still since the fingers were constantly absorbing cursed energy and the objects given to him gave him more cursed energy than the last finger would have as stated by him . This plus the fact that sukuna would be the same age and experience as gojo means the fight and especially the domain clashes will be really even and can go either way.
Very good analysis and I have to agree. Even with four arms and a stat change I don't see Sukuna outdoing Gojo in hand to hand Enough to shift the battle. Even if he does at times when gojo can use his CT he basically negates any physical speed or power advantage Sukuna has and times where he does t have that it couldn't be a difference enough to overwelm Gojo. We can use Yuta scaling for this from the last chapter now that it is out.
I give Gojo a 70% chance of besting Sukuna under the premise of the video. Honestly the only win con he has is Domain, which gojo has RCT, fallen blossom, and simple domain as a mitigating factor.
how is it that the old limitless six eyes user and the old ten shadows user killed eachother when gojo could easily defeat mahoraga on its own it seems? do you think that gojo is just built different? or maybe they were both teenagers and hadnt developed fully yet?
It's clearly because that Limitless User might not have unlocked Hollow Purple, because as gojo said himself that only a scant few people in gojo clan even know about this technique.
And yeah Mahoraga isn't getting defeated without Hollow purple.
No gojo is just built different cuz it shows how much talent he had using his CT and six eyes when a nobody with same CT and six eyes lost to a untamed moho
I think if the fight went similarly to the original, then Gojo would win, but I think you can contrive a victory for Sukuna.
I disagree that his heian form doesn't give him a strength/speed boost. Hes definitely much taller and heavier in this form.
8:22 I disagree ,he would be using domain amplification as he was in the original battle but now to it’s full extent unlike in the original where he had to use 50% of domain amplification and 50% of 10s to keep mahoraga’s wheel spinning in the back ,he literally says he was doing this in the fight with higaruma and it was the whole reason why he got impressed by him there and gave him praise
Sukuna also said unlimited void would be hard to handle even for him. And he only knew that because of Yuji. So I don’t think domain amp would help that much
@@justinfox1432 he would never need to counter UV, His domain would always counter UV.
@@palmtv3538 dang, makes you wonder why he got hit with UV and had to make all those binding vows if gojos domain wasn’t a problem
@@justinfox1432 Wow, lets see. He was hit by gojos domain cause he was fighting with a bunch of debuffs. And of course it would be a problem if it hit, but that doesn't mean it can hit. And he wouldn't need to use biding vows if his body was already superior to Gojos.
@@palmtv3538bro you mis one point.... DA counter domain sure hit.... The only reason sukuna got hit by gojo UV cause sukuna was using 10s and he couldn't use DA😂
Can we all appreciate that Sukuna acts like a Sayian or Viltrumite. Battle hungry, loves fighting and improving himself. Expert in martial arts, along with other abilities at his disposal. Not to mention he holds back to see what his opponents do. Maki got blitzed in chapter 253. Bro was toying around like crazy. Kinda reminds me of Akaza from demon slayer. Getting stronger with someone’s emotion/battle spirit.
Least biased jjk scaler:
True
Fact bro😂...blud completely ignored all of sukuna's win cons
@@nirbandas4560clearly a gojo supporter
@@Katalin04this place is like a cope haven for hurt Gojo fans. And it’s ok ig
@@nirbandas4560 and fact sukuna need DADDY mahoraga to back up his boy 🤡
I just love the part Gojo states that he enjoys Sukuna trying to hard.😊
"Why would he go through all that to adapt to gojos infinity" To make himself stronger??? Thats always been a thing about sukuna, sukuna wanted to evolve his cursed technique. Just because you think it looks like he wanted to kill gojo everytime is just wrong.
Sukuna was 100 going to kill gojo in 230 that is true, but its because he puts the wheel on his head ,"while i cut you into pieces ill adapt to that infinity of yours" he doesnt need gojo to be alive once the wheel starts the adaption
There's no way for Sukuna to control the adaptation from Mahoraga at that point once he kills Gojo, effectively meaning that adapting to infinity while cutting Gojo with his domain wouldn't guarantee it would lead to the "world slash" that he was looking for at the end of the fight (as that only came about due to continuing the adaptation again afterwards, represented by the fact that the wheel still spun after Gojo was fighting Mahoraga directly, since adaptation happens either if Mahoraga or the 10S user gets hit while the wheel is over them), it would've only led to the first adaptation that he couldn't have used.
This to me implies that he did the adaptation as a precaution while killing Gojo, and that his goal was to use the moment to kill him while covering bases, not extend the fight until he gets the adaptation he wants, but that changed once Gojo stayed alive.
@isaboll1 false it literally says mahoraga doesn't stop adapting after 4 turns. And know sukuna didn't gain the ability to see through gojo ct because he didn't hit 4 spins yet like he did with yorozu. So only mahoraga gained that ability. So if gojo didn't knock sukuna, sukuna would have gained the ability to see through the ct and learn how to cut through infinity himself
@@chosen1337 The fact is sukuna true form ( without megumi soul ) its just like as strong as Gojo limitless + six eyes,so even that Gojo still can match him in a fight with own of power scaling both of them, but will be a lot of trouble,cause sukuna already have 4 arms,and those of hands can be use 2 for combat and 2 for handsign for cursed techniques.
One thing you totally forgot to mention is that this time sukuna won't have megumis soul to tank damage for him.
100th Like! Great video bro and to be honest, Heian Era Sukuna does not have access to Megumi's body and he is on his final life unlike in Megumi's body/form where he can just regenerate
After the fire arrow reveal, this fight could've actually gone in any direction depending on who makes a blunder first
No sukuna can just break the domains from the inside, gojo can only pick 1 side to be strong and the other side weak. Gojo asks this in 228, this just means gojo never had a answer to sukuna domain
He can't break it from the inside because using his domain inside Gojo's would cause a clash, therefore no sure hit effect on both ends
@@lexkent6789his myriad of arsenal would've done that.
@@lexkent6789can't he just cast his technique manually like he did when punishing mahito back in s1
@aditi002jens7 I don't think he broke Mahito's domain directly. When Itadori entered Mahito's domain, that cause Mahito to interact with Sukuna's inner domain, thus causing Sukuna to harm his soul from there. I think the damage to Mahito is the reason his domain fell
@@taruditarudi7373 I think we need feats cause so far, he's never done it directly or without Maho
Sukuna did not take the 10 shadows because he was afraid of Gojonhe was being petty because he didn't believe thhat Gojo was worthy for him to use the full extent of his shrine technique . Why didn't he use his fire arrows in the battle
His whole intent the entire fight was to learn how to cut through infinity and become stronger by making his own technique better. He did not take Gojo seriously
He couldn’t use fire arrow due to the domain conditions constantly shifting gege finally explained it in one of the recent chapters
In short no. I really do hope Gege does an arc on the Heian era
Heian era arc with yorozu, kenjaku, sukuna, and uraume would be fire asl
I guess in short is a "Depends on who's writting." and if it's gege it's no.
1. Sukuna has ZERO way to harm Gojo outside a Domain Expansion
2. The wording that says Sukuna was "holding back" is misleading. Sukuna was not hiding what he was doing with a borrowed Curse Technique and Gojo thought he was holding back
3. Sukuna did not win the Domain battle. Gojo did. Gojo couldn't use another DE because he hit his limit. On the other hand, Sukuna couldn't use another DE because he had taken too much damage from Gojo
4. Gojo absolutely trounced Sukuna at hand-to-hand combat
5. Gojo is better at RCT for healing himself
6. Sukuna got into this battle knowing everything about Gojo's CT, and he came along after borrowing the perfect counter, with months of prep time
A final thing about the Domain battle: the only reason there was a Domain battle at all that Gojo was purposefully trying to expose to everybody else how to break it. Like the viewers pointed out, he could escape if needed
And in a logical world, not even the "slash that cleaves existence itself" should be enough to kill Gojo without first depleting his Curse Energy reserves
it was a lie sukuna did not know anything about mahoraga when he picked interest in megumi
Could you make a video on if and why Gojo couldn't dodge Sukuna's World Cleave that killed him? Wasnt there a build-up of some sort?
Yeah, he should make a video on that. Interesting topic.
(*Sukuna's slashes are invisible and near instantaneous, they just launch which is why there's no time for ce to be accumulated, this is precisely why gojo had a weird expression when sukuna used the dismantle to target the building behind him as he didn't the saw the attack coming or the ce getting accumulated inside sukuna in contrast he saw it when sukuna summoned agito)
@@Czurcodm It's called plot contrivance. Readers are told that WCS requires chants and a cursed energy buildup which Gojo, despite having Six Eyes and Godly perception, somehow didn't notice. Readers are left to conjure up their own theories with the most popular being that Sukuna might have used a binding vow or something similar in order to bypass the need for chants and CE buildup. Shitty writing because Gege wrote himself into a corner with Gojo's hax.
@@keynight7513 basically yeah, most of the time gege does such things. It basically depends on one's own intellect and understanding of the power system whether they can figure out how a particular event happened (*then too it'll remain speculation at best as there's no proper explanation)
@@Czurcodm This is why I'll stipulate that Nen is the most balanced and intricate power system of any verse in existence.
@@keynight7513 yeah, definitely the best shonen power system till now.
Hell's paradise and HxH are my fav in this category. Jjk is still way better than an avg shonen but nothing beats nen
(*even things like binding vows are directly inspired by nen contracts)
He made it abundantly clear he wanted to develop his technique 😭 he didn’t need maho lol
Except he can use Mahoraga regardless of Gojo's opposition, since there's an indefinite opportunity for him to learn it. Sukuna would kill Gojo sooner if he could, it's that he couldn't.
Question: can binding cow be used to bypass gojo's infinity?
No, not unless you have some sort of blueprint like Sukuna did
Only if you milk it daily and feed it whole grains with saki
@@obsidianfrost9514 😂😂
11th shikigami binding cow🤣
Counter to Sukuna struggling in the second domain clash, with his additional arms and mouths it's very possible for him to 1: easily alter his domain in counter to Gojo expanding the size of his DE. 2: use Hollow Whicker Basket to preemptively subvert the Sure Hit of Unlimited Void, while having available hands to open his own domain. You have to consider that he wouldn't be playing this out the same way he does with the ten shadows. With an unknown variable like Gojo's domain, at least knowing he's the strongest sorcerer of the Era, he wouldn't just let Gojo hit him with his Domain, in this situation he would ABSOLUTELY use Hollow Whicker Basket to null the Sure Hit of Unlimited Void the moment Gojo went to open his barrier. This is absolutely something that would happen considering his skill and deductive skills to at least consider that Gojo's Domain has a strong Sure-Hit. Think of his current fight with Yuta. He doesn't know the Sure Hit of the domain and had the Hollow Whicker Basket ready just in case, he has no idea what the sure hit is but took this precaution. He would absolutely do this against Gojo if he did against Yuta.
Edit: Basically, there is a chance that Sukuna has an opening to at least severely damage Gojo if we're allowed to assume that Infinity isnt protecting Gojo while his DE is open. Not sure how Sukuna would find ways past Infinity, or even if he could fully bypass it, but maybe some skilled plays could let him hit Gojo hard and good if he can get him to turn his Infinity off somehow. Part of if a major point brought up in the start. Context.
Y’all missing the fact that this mf sukuna took megumi’s mahoraga to kill gojo 😂 He needed mahoraga to kill gojo, he couldn’t have killed gojo without him 😂
And what gojo need to be give by six eye to even use hes techince hmmmmm
Literal hot take: If Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows he'd 100% win but he'd be crippled enough for any current person trying to kill him to solo. Gojo's infinity can stop things and apply pressure to what's physically there, if Sukuna used his heat technique he could make traps for Gojo bc the heat is an application to what's physically there, like infinity itself. Gojo would have to get to the point where he's exhausted/overextended enough to be hit, Sukuna would learn fear if not love and be crippled but I think it's Gojover
Its 5 out of 10 but anyone would be 0% cuz of spamming rct and for sukuna,da but i think they would both grow far more in desperacy maybe suku a even finding an alt world slash however one thing to note is that any opening for purple is an instawin and another vriable is blackflash u can clearly see each black flash sukuna is thinking that wasnt suppossed to happen
5:40 if sukuna was going for the kill like you said. What was stopping the sure? Please explain that to me.
Gojo's cursed energy and RCT. The dimensional slash is much stronger than his domain's slashes, which is why it one shots.
@@Blade.5786 CE reinforcement doesn't work against Sure Hit. And RCT is a healing mechanism it doesn't stop an attack either.
@@flopflipflopyou forget one the gojo ability,
TELEPORTATION,which make him keep distance away from sukuna attack
@@masdandaniel8509 gege said that his teleportation had conditions to be used
@@Blade.5786 And the dimensional slash bypasses infinity without the need of a domain. Regardless, it's irrelevant because heian era sukuna has no way of bypassing infinity.
I am pretty sure that he used Gojo to become stronger and his goal was not to just defeat him.😂
When will you people understand sukuna don't just wanted to kill gojo but to also evolve his cleave technique....it pisses me off so much when people mis the entire point why sukuna take magumi body.... Sukuna take magumi cause he is a 1 in a million change vessel which sukuna can freely control.😢
Cleave didn’t need to be upgraded it already cleared 99% of the roster. If he was able to kill Gojo without upgrade cleave he would have done it or if he had an easier win con he would have gone for it. He wasn’t even 100% he could gain something as the first adaptation had Maho Transmute his CE to a different property to be able to bypass infinity which was impossible for Sukuna.
@@neneray310 then tell me this genius... Why didn't sukuna transform and end the fight after the 4th domain battle if he wanted to kill gojo.... Cause he also wants to evolve his cleave which he have done in the fight
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 just like Gojo, Sukuna is also confident in his own victory. Only difference is that Sukuna knows he’s getting jumped after his fight with Gojo. He would only use the transformation at the end when he’s almost dead. His best win condition was still 10 shadows. It’s really not that hard to understand.!
@@neneray310 tf are you talking about....after the 4th domain clash gojo couldn't used his domain sukuna transform & DE and it the end of your fraudjo....
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 brother we don’t even know yet if Sukunas brain is healed after the transformation. And if it is it just makes another plot hole of why hasn’t he casted it and killed everyone.
Bruh why do y’all skip over Sukunas character in regards to how he fights. Sukuna is the equivalent to a player in a dark souls game he will do anything to make himself stronger and whatever that route is he will take it he is a Jujutsu fanatic.
The person known as the King of curses had curse tools even though he didn’t need them he understands it will be benefit him. You have people like Naobito and Naoya who clown their family members for using cursed weapons even though the strongest sorcerer of all time used them
Gojo will never win because he is the equivalent to a boss in a Dark Souls game. He never changes all his moves stay the same. He learned purple and red at 16 and never found new ways to apply his technique or used curse tools to make up for what he doesn’t have. While Sukuna realized he could re shape his body to make him more efficient at sorcery and use weapons to make up for his flaws of his CT.
You have Gojo who is a God and thinks they are perfect and doesnt need adapt or change and you have Sukuna who is a God Slayer and knows that even though he is strong he could be better and will use any means to do so.
Sukuna had Kamotoke ready the entire time he fought Gojo. During their first domain clash he could have just used it while Gojo was focusing on healing and insta kill him but, instead of using it he took a gamble on learning a new way to use his technique so if he ever has to fight another sorcerer with defense like Gojo he won’t have to use his DE to win.
guys for god's sake, sukuna almost won because of 0.01 seconds, he does not need to dominate gojo in hand to hand, but having all his 20 fingers (don't come with the "he made up for the last finger", because the last finger is still out there and it would make a difference + constant chants making all his ct 20% more powerful and the extra pair of hand, that even if it didn't gave him the edge to be better than gojo in hand to hand, it would still atleast make some difference + he would not receive a 200% hollow purple from the very start, if you guys REALLY think all of these combined do not make for the 0.01 difference, you're just delusional, heian era sukuna wins 100% of the time, and I'm not saying that sukuna is stronger in every single way, but the difference in domains and knowledge is just this big, and about the second domain while yes, it would be the only way for gojo to really win the battle you'd have to accept multiple thing, like sukuna being still inferior to gojo in hand to hand (remembering that inside the domain clash gojo does not have the blue enhanced punches, so he does not have "the strongest punch in the verse") you'd also have to say that sukuna would not come up with some other way, being it a binding vow or straight up understanding how gojo's domain works just by looking at it, and that he would be dumb enough to think he would be able to handle gojo's domain, which is a mistake he would never make
The last finger won’t make a difference he ate his own head for that gege clearly did that to say to us that yes this was a fully powered up sukuna vs gojo
@@subhadrakunwar8022 bruh, imagine not reading, as I said, it DOES make a difference in a battle were 0.01 seconds was what separated a guaranted victory from an almost tie, he ate up to compensate but there's still 1/20 of his souls out there, and sukuna WILL get stronger if he ate, and you CAN'T deny this, so no, this is not full power sukuna, and it WOULD make a difference, and this is because this is a very close fight overall, just use your brain my brother
@@jcplays1749 use your brain dumbass the author clearly added the skull for the full power of sukuna a finger won’t change anything sukuna himself said that his head was enough or else you think sukuna can’t find his last finger in 1 full month?
@@jcplays1749 so what after he eats his skull he’s gonna get 21/20 parts of his soul? Like are you dumb stop thinking stuff as a crazy reader looking at every minor thing and think like an author Gege clearly meant for this to be the final big fight and he’s gonna leave sukuna 1 finger out? like sthu
You're arguing with Gege Akutami
Sukuna ah yes my anti limitless technique haven't used this one since the heian era.
No....gojo and sukuna were equal in hand to hand the only edge gojo had was while inside domain and after gojo hit black flash
Gojo is much better in hand-to-hand combat as can be seen in the battle in the manga. Sukuna had to summon two Shikigimi to aid in combat to cope.
@@kaiblade760 Gojo was only better in h2h when he had blue to boost his speed. Everytime Sukuna used domain amp to nullify blue or inside of Domains, Sukuna was winning. Summoning 2 more shikigame was because he couldn't have domain amp on if he wanted the dismantle powerup
@@kaiblade760 halfjo fanboy spotted
@@kaiblade760he isn't. Gojo didn't land a single hit on Sukuna when Sukuna was actually using domain amp
@@myronbourne6937 asspullkuna fanboy spotted.
after the first domain gojo lost infinity and Sukuna would not just wait until gojo heal him self up, he would use his other techniques on gojo like fire arrows ,lighting.
Second domain is weaker from inside and Sukuna doesn't need to hold back bcz he doeasn't have mahoraga to adapt so he would use domain amplification whole time.
As long as gojo back down from domain fights he has a chance of winning
I just need to say him using Mahoraga wasn’t a win con. He wanted to learn a way to bypass Infinity permanently Going forward. Remember he uses World Dismantle after Mahoraga has already been killed
He needed mahoraga to learn that World Dismantle.
maho he woudnt even think that such an ability exists, thus gets boddied
Yeah but his uncreative ass didn't know how 😂
@@thatokperson He was on the path to, but he needed mahoraga to speed up the process.
@@lemonboychris We've never seen reason to believe that. Sukuna had a whole month to prepare but couldn't figure out a technique to bypass infinity.
Mahoraga *giving Sukuna the necessary 'model'* was the win con here.
Day 4 of asking: can the purpose a heavenly restriction user exist is to help a 10 shadow users defeat their curses/ mahoraga
Also, why does everyone just ignore gojo getting boosted by that ritual before the fight…
Only his hollow purple he launched was boosted. They partially hoped that by boosting it with utahime and Gojo using full incantations and seals he could end it there (granted I don't think Gojo really thought they could end it like that but he lost literally nothing by trying.)
Well it’s because we don’t know how long the buffs from the ritual last.
the boost was just for that hollow purp
@@MyGoodFunZZ it only was for that specific Hollow Purple. Granted I fully understand why it's thought it was for the entire fight. Utahime and the dance etc aren't really expanded on much
It was only for the purple but that ritual shows us that not skipping hand signs and incantations can amp your ct up to 120% which is the biggest advantage for any sorcerer. Heian sukuna's ct is always amped and so is the sure hit of his domain
(*I think it's clear what'll happen in round 1)
5:09.
Just a little fact: Sukuna turned off sure hit of MS on himself what made UV sure hit active all time. Basically he tanked all DE for adapting wheel. Without mahoraga Satoru would have no chances to stun Sukuna ever once since he'd negate sure hit.
I don't know why people think a gojo with no ct could actually surviving a 4 arm bloodlusted , kamutoke enchanted flames/fire arrow, while being with hit by domain at the same time. When gojo with no ct was equal to a holding back 2 arm sukuna. (In domain 1) also he can't use rct on full blast forever this was stated by ino. So if gojo doesn't get killed, he'll run out of rct. Because simple domain only works against for sure hits. So kamutoke and fire arrow would make gojo keep rct on his body on his brain
First, sukuna wasn't holding back, second fire arrow can never bypass infinity
@@abhijeetgedekar6660 3 different sources say it , including sukuna himself. In domain 1 gojo doesn't have infinity or his ct
@@chosen1337 And neither does Sukuna have fire arrow because that's (somehow) part of his CT, otherwise we woulda used it in the manga fight too
This is a certified nah I'd win moment
People who think Heian Sukuna wins are delusional.
Watch the video
Facts extremely delusional.
The only delusional one are the go/jo glazers. even if u gave them the 6 eyes they would still not be able to see the facts.
One thing I think needs to be noted is that even if Sukuna could have beaten Gojo without Majoraga, that doesn’t mean getting Mahoraga is pointless. Think of it as studying for a test you’re pretty sure you’ll pass anyway. You don’t think you’ll fail it, but you can’t be certain, so you might as well try a little bit harder
Another point worth mentioning is that upon speaking after killing Gojo, Sukuna said he needed to use Mahoraga as a blueprint to beat Gojo (implying without this he wouldn’t win). Plus the narrator stated that Gojo was making Sukuna nervous for the first time since the heian era despite Sukuna having Mahoraga and Shrine.
Personally I’d think the fight would likely end with the 2 killing each other.
Sorry but he wouldnt even need the world cutting slash if he went all out from the start. He would've already ended him in chapter 226 if he used his other techniques inside the domain when gojo lost the first domain clash, making him unable to use the limitless technique and thus no infinity. For your last statement, Sukuna was limiting himself because he needed to reserve his heian era form and other techniques for gojo's students and wanted to make use of the ten shadows and mahoraga. But at the later stage of the fight, sukuna realized that theres a chance that he might lose due to this gamble hence why he started becoming nervous
How did sukuna use the world cutting slash without chants in the first place. We literally saw that he needs 3 chants to perform the slash. But when he “killed” gojo chants weren’t shown. The guy also was missing a hand.
Is the same thing that happened when Mahoraga appears the first time with a chant.
The reason of Mahoraga and the World Cut Slash its because Megumi is the one that chants, not Sukuna.
Please don't give the Gojo fans more talkings points they are already so absurdly irrational when it comes to this debate.
Sukuna Fans are the irrationals ones...
Bro talk about Sukuna fans. Literally in the start of the video he says the number of people talking in favor of Sukuna is much more than Gojo. Did you even watch the video ?
@@samarendra109 Ah yes because what ever this man says is the stand alone undeniable truth.
Sick of toxic whiney Gojocels. He’s dead, 1 shot like fodder and will never come back.
Both are ridiculous. How can anyone watch both Gojo and Sukuna fight their asses off and somehow say that one would wash the other is absurd
@@selfimprovement5873 For the record im not a sukuna fan I like gojo as a character more. Its just when presented with the train station scene where gojo talks about the fight and how hard it was, people try to twist the meanings rather than just taking it at face value. It just seems abit delusional to me....
2:38, wasn't sukunas original plan, Have gojo trapped in his domain while Mahoraga adapts. It was never have mahoraga adapts so I can win.
The Answer Is Yes And There Is Clear Proof Even During Their Recently Ended Fight, In Their Fight They Used Their Domain Expansion Like 5 Times Which At Some Point Gojo Used His An Instant Earlier Giving Him The W, But Then Sukuna Summons Mahoraga, Destroying Gojo's Domain, This Proofs Sukuna Can't Beat Gojo In His Full Power Heian Era Form, Also Without Mahoraga Sukuna Couldnt Get His Reality Cleave or Whatever It's Called Which Proofs Even More, And Let's Not Forget It Was A 3V1 And How Much Trouble Agito And Mahoraga And other Shikigami Gojo Gave, Making Gojo Tired And Attacking Him And Stuff
Stop Typing Like This
@@pj2345-v4x Who's Gonna Stop Us?
@@pj2345-v4x No.
@@CoolOkay_ Hopefully everyone with an above room temperature IQ that sees you doing it.
@@pj2345-v4xong it’s mad annoying and hard to read
Are we just going to ignore that in the fight they did have Utahime had to use incantations, hand signs, dances and instruments all to max her technique to give Gojo a buff during the fight in chp 223
Great video btw
You make great points. A critical factor in the fight was the black flashes Gojo landed. Does your scenarios have Gojo powered up with black flash?
The fact that Sukuna is still missing a finger should tell you
Eating his head made up for the last finger
Yup sukuna consumed his body (it's believed more than just his head from some context clues) to make up for not having the final finger and arguabley made him even stronger then Heian Era not counting the ten shadows.
Yup sukuna consumed his body (it's believed more than just his head from some context clues) to make up for not having the final finger and arguabley made him even stronger then Heian Era not counting the ten shadows.
@@ManganimistYT see I hear you say that but it was always stayed that you need all 20 fingers. There still a piece his soul missing. Can you whole heartedly say that the mummified body makes up the rest of power he needed even tho they pointed it out?
honestly, I totally get where you're coming from, they established this 20 finger dynamic and man was only at 19. The only reason I'm rolling with the mummified body compensating for it is cuz Sukuna himself is the one that gives us that info
7:40 "it definitely does"
Don't forget about Domain amplification, base amplification and boosts from songs. (Literally chant spam)
Sukuna does not control his domain, which is why hes able to use 10s , he didnt go for the head that was just the domain. Sukuna gives conditions before the domain is casted . Then the domain acts on its own
Sukuna specifically says he tried slicing the special grade curse into 3 during his second awakening. To an extent he does have control over his slashes in his Domain, & that was 100% an attempt at Gojo’s life
@Niggidy he can control the output of the for sure before its form but not what he can hit, this is why he shrunk he domain against mahoraga so he wouldn't hit megumi
@Niggidy sukuna probably have already seen people heal through his domain before probably not as long as gojo
@@chosen1337 He cut the special grade curse into even vertical slices & here he cleanly sliced Gojo’s neck horizontally, before bombarding him with slashes. That’s way too convenient to just chalk up to the output of his DE. Obviously he can’t control every single slash, but it’s clear he’s capable of slicing how he wants in his domain to an extent. Also I’m not sure what the 2nd reply has to do with anything, but what you think Sukuna has seen doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just a random assumption you made to try justifying your point.
@Niggidy output does show that , that's why he said he tried to cut him into 3 , but he's too weak
The only thing I would disagree on is that we will never know. We just have to wait see the full form of Sucka is capable of, and I don’t think we will need to wait too much longer before we find out. At the moment, though, this is probably the best hypothetical.
But if I had to put a guess on it, I would say sukuna would win only because I felt Gege would not make Gojo admit that Sukuna was holding back if there wasn’t a reason
2:56 hard disagree lol, Heian Era Sukuna most likely wins in the first round of domain clash. He probably just wanted to learn something new.
Why?
@@CoolOkay_ wym why lol, Sukuna doesnt need a reason. He just does shit
@@lemillion7929 cool story bro
Great explanation this was perfect also in my opinion i definitely dont think 4 arms would do much for gojo considering he fought a 3v1 with sukuna and still pulled off crazy stuff
I agree with the video
Gojo fans are still crying even after Gojo admitted he would lose..., Sukuna losing is worse than death as he said to Yurozo so if you say that Gojo is stronger without the ten shadows sukuna would've preferred to die rather than live knowing that he was weaker, also you thinking that you can analyze the situation better than Gojo who has the six eyes is stupid of you hhhhh, Gojo was losing every domain battle Sukuna was hit for 0.01 second with infinite void imagine having the four arms that would've never happened since Sukuna will be physically stronger and faster and with another mouth and two more arms he would regenerate 10 times faster
The current sukuna had 1000 years of CE built up, and had six months of prep time and all of Megumi’s and Yuji’s knowledge of Satoru’s technique. It’s also possible and imo likely that sukuna learned domain amp in the modern era
Honestly, a few months ago, I would have said it would be a very close fight but I'm thinking about it now and... The only reason Sukuna fought Gojo like the way he did, is because he had to conserve his CE to fight the rest of the gang and he also wanted to upgrade his slashes. He was playing defensively. He was massively holding back and fighting within limitations. What truly matters in this hypothetical, is if it's a 1v1.
Okay, before we get into the "how", this is my opinion and my interpretation of the story. I strongly believe this and I don't really want to start an argument about it. I'm aware an author can make certain choices and make whatever seemed impossible before that point make sense in the story. But, this hypothetical is made from just the information we have.
If we consider Heian Era Sukuna as just Sukuna in his true form: He would win the domain clashes because now, he would actually be focusing on the fight, instead of trying to make Mahoraga adapt. Remember, the domain battles were very close even though Sukuna was focused on Maho. There were many instances where he would win the domain battle if he had four arms to use and his CT. Which means if he wasn't focusing on Maho, he would easily win them all. Okay, now Gojo is getting hit with MS and his CT is exhausted. Now what? Sukuna easily beats Gojo in that time frame before he can even heal his brain. I'm not even going to mention his CT because it's an unknown variable. Let's assume he uses them in his own combat style like the way he is using them on the rest of the gang. Gojo is good at H2H, I will admit that. But there is no way he is going to beat Sukuna with four arms in H2H combat. Sukuna is more used to fighting with four arms. Sukuna would be putting more CE into his hits because he doesn't need to hold back now. And, boom.The fight wouldn't even need to go that long.
The main issue with this is the fact that Sukuna would have to use up a big portion of his cursed energy reserves to deal the finishing blow. Which is why he opted to use Maho in the final fight instead. He wanted to fight the rest of the gang in good condition and he also wanted to upgrade his slashes. It's not that hard to realize he just chose the less CE consuming option to win.