Douglas Murray: What's with the strange obsession with Phillip Schofield? | SpectatorTV
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- Douglas Murray joins the show to discuss his column in the magazine. In it he lays out the strange and perverse obsession the British public has with trivial stories. Instead, he believes there are far bigger fish to fry - housing crisis, inflation, NHS waiting list. But is Douglas at risk of being a snob?
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Douglas Murray always aces it. Once again, a very sensible take on the madness in modern-day Britain.
I grew up on a council estate. And I'm the biggest snob you'd ever wish to meet 😂I'm with you Douglas I've never watched it.
I grew up in a caravan. I am snobby, but certainly not in regards to wealth and status.
The ability to be kind and to know something of the world and suffering are what make me respond to someone most keenly.
On the flip side, those who know very little, but imagine they know everything, appall me. The stink of societal narcissism is the smell of a civilisation in decay.
Greetings friend.
Not a Council Estate grow up, but working class, Irish Catholic, not allowed to watch Kenny Everett as child and strangely conservative labour voting parents.
Aspirational. Yes.
Prefer The Good Life to Coronation Street. Yes.
A snob. Yes.
Using toilet paper instead of newspaper doesn't make you a snob
What is snobbery but an insistence for standards to be upkept?
@Gordon That's a very moot point. If you wipe with the Guardian instead of the Sun, is that snobbery or is it a very laudable demonstration of your views about shoddy, leftist journalism?😂😂😂
Exactly as the country falls deeper into economic downfall , western culture decays and falls , the Scofield story is all we hear . Distraction tactics .
The Country is doing fine, If someone overextends themselves and spends to much on Booze, Fags & Phones that's their problem
Who says western culture is decaying and falling?
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Anyone with a working pair of eyes
@@jeffsimon9594 How is it decaying and falling?
Just leave it to others to care about predators in the industry.
COVID in South Africa was a fantastic distraction and provided an opportunity for politicians to manipulate its people to the point that we are now in a terrible predicament. So many of our issues are irreversible.
Creating distraction with trivia is a tool.
Is it true that there are black people in that country?
Request your p0liticians, vir0l0glsts and health 0rganlsations to prove c0nclusively that vlru$£$ £xl$t. They never will. This is the true battl£g0ound p0st 2o2o.
@@geoff873 😂
Yes, because everything was just fabulous in SA before Covid. We all knew about Zuma stuff etc before 2020.
South Africa was already distracted by D/E/I killing all your farmers for reparations=starvation
as a Jamaican born person, i have to say: respect Mr. Douglas Murray.
Douglas Murray hitting the nail on the head, as usual.
Douglas always articulates my thoughts in a way that I'd be unable to.
Same
The mere fact that you listen to him (and i suspect other clever thinkers) indicates an open mind which can be filled with knowledge and sanity.
Me too. Compared to Douglas, I speak like a 5th grader.
Well said peak my thoughts also
That's because you're thick! 🤣
Well said Douglas.
He loves to get down and dirty in the pig pen, not sure why he feels there is suddenly more important things talk about today. Whenever I hear him talk, it’s about current tabloid nonsense. He isn’t a clever man, he is a grifter and a boring one at that
I love Douglas Murray. Intelligent, eloquent and forthright ❤
And he has the cutest giggle 🤗🤗
@@SexRealist301 My Dear, I have to agree! 👌🏻
I'm not interested in morning TV, and I'm certainly not a snob 😂
Thats probably because you're busy doing something other than watching tv in the morning
It’s utter rubbish.
I've never watched any morning TV but get the gist of it. I suppose housebound, sick or other people with limited physical ability find solace there. There's so many other useful things one could be doing especially this time of the year when I observe the state of their gardens and houses.
You're full of you're self!.
Douglas is so right, it’s pathetic how the governing classes can’t have a serious conversation about anything important. Why are they concerning themselves with ITV!
Just like the covid inquiry. Argue about trivial issues of eat out to help out, instead of asking why the hell we we into tyrannical lock-downs in the first place, against all previous pandemic guidelines.
The outcome is almost guaranteed to be "we should have locked down sooner".
Private, but owning a TV requires TV license, hence this nonsense ITV queer woke bullcrap is to certain extent paid with tax money.
When the immigration figures came out, mainstream media had to find something to divert attention
The only time the media ever talks about immigration is when there have been successful attempts to scupper any government plans to reduce it.
I agree, Muslim settlement = Sharia Law, the people who run British media are the Arabs, their shareholdings in the West are huge, therefore their influence over advertising is huge.
Mark Wright - Yes indeed.
It is a base human instinct to gossip and enjoy others misfortunes. What is depressing is that the BBC appears to be revelling in it whereas their remit is to educate,inform and entertain. They appear to have forgotten the first two and distort the third.
Utterly agree. No-longer buy a license 😊
Everyone loves a bit of schadenfreude
The media is a business and it makes its own markets. All you have to do is ignore it.
Misfortune? He's clearly a pedophile .
I think the reason the Schofield story has such a popular appeal is because his entire brand was being a decent and trustworthy individual to the point of smugness. To see it was all an act I am sure gives the viewers of This Morning a sense of schadenfreude.
Douglas has his finger on the media pulse. It is all a complete distraction. I do not watch daytime television & I am retired. I value my time.
There's a missing submarine, submarine, submarine.
Douglas Murray for Prime Minister!
He wouldn’t last two minutes. He’s to honest, straight forward and intelligent to be a politician.
The media obsession with Schofield is all coming from guests and ex colleagues from that same show who have a personal grudge against him. The obnoxious thing thing is that these media people assume that the general public share in their personal loathing of Schofield, whereas in reality we just don’t care.
100% correct. In the past 2 weeks not one single person in the tens of people i have spoken to have mentioned any of the people these media people obsess about who we are all supposed to be talking about. I think the medical term for these disgruntled ex ITV employees is obsessive compulsive disorder.
@@lotus8341 yeah and the narcissism in that industry must be widespread, Schofield and Willoughby cannot be the only ones. It’s the only industry where the staff can publicly shame someone they don’t like to an national/international audience. The rest of us cannot do that when we have a narcissist making us a miserable in our own workplace office. Normally the bully causes the victim to leave
The obsession with Prince Harry is far worse !
This government has squandered so much opportunity. They were given a huge mandate in a referendum election - something that should've been a greenlight for profound change - but it's just been inertia ever since.
Unfortunately Globalisation destroyed the nation state democracy decades ago. Liberal Democracy = rule by and in the interests of international finance capitalism and the forces of open borders Globalisation
Inertia, or deliberate and prevarication, overt and covert?
@@colinelliott5629 All deliberate. The idea any civil servant can stop government policy is BS.
All western leaders are placed puppets and do their puppeteer’s bidding. We’ve seen how they treat politicians who don’t tow the line. They are discredited then excluded confirming Mark Twain’s quote ‘if voting mattered they wouldn’t let us do it’.
As a small-town Canadian who spent years working in London, I can tell you that disliking British television does make you a snob. British media is not just irrelevant, for the most part. It is shocking in how it basks in its vapidness. Canadian media sucks, too, but we just don't bother much as a result. There is no Canadian obsession with people in our media because (and maybe because we live next to the USA), they don't matter.
Totally agree! I visited my home, Canada, for the the first time in years. I was was horrified to find out UnCanadian many people have become. Complain, complain, complain.
We love pitchforks and lighting torches, we also do it with humour darling
I’ve got through my entire life, since the daily mirror reporter upset mother when I was eight, never realising that I am a snob 🤣
Also I think it helps that there is different time zones so no real nations tabloid newspapers or live shows where everyone can watch at the same time
@@lucylane7397 that they are up for posterity simply compounds the problem
Mr Murray is spot on i can't understand this madness it never ending its exhausting. London is
Another planet.
It's definitely alien these days, like a totally foreign country
People so easily distracted. Douglas is excellent as always
I am working class, but do not watch Phil and Holly on TV. However, the concern by me and others is that too often people like Saville, Rolfe Harris, etc who work for major tv companies are allowed to pursue unseemly sexual relationships with vulnerable youngsters and for commercial reasons it is overlooked for years. Allowing abuse of vulnerable people is not trivia! Douglas.
Douglas your totally correct.
It’s you’re not your.
@@Electriclentilman it is but smartphones aren’t actually that smart so you could fill your entire day correcting every instance of this typo - every day
*You're! (A contraction of "you are") "Your" is possessive.
@@jaymac7203 we know that, tell the software developers not us, it gets boring 🥱
Thank you!!! It has been totally overblown, it's insulting to think that I think these stories are that important they have to be in the news for days on end.
Thank you Douglas at last someone who speaks my language. What is happening to this country ,obsessed with tittle tattle ,gossip and back stabbing.What a sorry state.🤦♀️🙄
Both political parties don’t know how to solve the real problems we face so it is Distraction , Distraction, Distraction
It's worse than that. Even if a PM was certain that a certain problem could be solved making 70% better off, 15% the same and 15% worse off and that this could somehow produce this result before the next election, the media would still just focus on the 15% who lost out.
They are against addressing the problems because the problems are ones caused by them. They would rather Britain came to an end then they lose their power.
The media are out of control and become obsessed with a story. Douglas is spot on brilliant,
This persecution of Phillips have to stop now. Have som compassion and humanity
Its not about ‘persecution’ of Philip Schofield. What he has done is an abuse of power at the expense of a vulnerable young boy at best, aiding & abetting after the fact his brothers pedophilia & thus Schofield deserves to be dealt with accordingly & is reaping what he has sown. However, the blanket coverage by the MSM is transparently distraction from really important stories breaking about the governments chilling surveillance & oppression & control tactics aligned with an authoritarian dictatorship during & after the pandemic, for example, amongst many other important stories that are simultaneously being buried by the MSM as they flood the populace with sordid Schofield
The "gossips" used to be the RED TOP news rags, but now it's everywhere onTV. It's total BS. Im loving DM! Great conversation!
It's all for clicks.
It also dominates discussions in parliament. Isn't it marvellous that soon, a parliamentary committee will begin an investigation into the vitally important issues arising from the Schofield saga? What chance, I wonder, of there being a similarly high powered investigation into excess deaths running at up 20% above average for the last few months?
The media love to talk about themselves. This was interesting for about 2 minutes, meanwhile, real news is ignored.
They have to big each other up because they are generally pathetic.
I think as a people we've lost our way.
Bread and Circuses, just like another great civilization in its dying throes.
Spot on Douglas, as always!
There's nothing wrong with being an intellectual snob, Douglas! The vulgarity of the British media is singular in Europe in its spectacular trivia.
Oh, I don’t know. Germany does it pretty well in its own special way.
The funny thing is, if not liking British talk shows makes me an intellectual snob, at least it saves me from being an ACTUAL snob, you know, the kind that hate poor people. British media is probably the most classist media on the planet. They constantly make the "Gammon" (working class native Britons) out to be subhuman ingrates, while literally worshipping the likes of Megan Markle and other spoiled rotten celebrities.
Much love Mr Murray
Douglas Murray is dead on. Amazing analysis and pragmatism here. Very rare insight. The Spectator is the one to watch.
Douglas, you nailed it again
Mr Murray...voice of reason.. I agree with everything he says...
Douglas is brilliant, more of him and less of 90% of all the reporters and editors in the MSM.
Absolutely on point Douglas. You’ve exposed the ‘game’.
It’s about the money. If ITV’s largest financial donor pulls out, then the whole channel is in jeopardy. So by trying to distance itself from Schofield it’s damage limitation.
The sooner ITV collapses the better same with BBC and channel 4.
I always liked channel 5 when I watched it years ago it never appeared to be having an agenda. Admittedly the last time i watched terrestrial television was about 10 years back. Good riddance to bad rubbish
Spot on as always ……..
Small things amuse small minds!
A big part of the problem with Schofield, is that certain media personalities have highjacked and flooded mainstream and social media with subterfuge to further their own careers. The fact that very large numbers of the population are going along with everything they are being told, is the real concern. Decades of disorienting flim flam politics and bad outcomes, seems to have created a need for some kind of undeniable reality that people can sink their teeth into.
Douglas is spot on. Everyday it’s some new scandal. Not just in Britain. Everywhere. Hate turning on news watching these distractions
You're right, we should be concentrating on bigger issues. However I think a lot of people were unhappy when Schofield received so much acclaim when he declared he was gay, despite him being married and cheating on his wife.
I have learned so much since I started listening to Douglas Murray.
No obsession, it’s shoved in our faces constantly, we’re sick of it.
The Schofiled story is like Prince Harry. Its a cheap story for the tabloids and plays to the people's base instinct. For me it should have been a footnote in the newspapers, but they mined it and mined it. I want real in depth reporting into what's happening in the country and world, maybe most people don't as its too depressing and they like to see a tall poppy cut down. Its a distraction from the all the bad news.
Its not really a distraction from bad news. Because bad news sells.
Do you mean mind it or minced it?
Nail on the head Douglas brilliant as usual
The biggest unspoken issue at present is the huge number of youngish people dying from heart issues and blood clots. Nobody is willing to even look at the large number of excess deaths being seen. Of course some people are linking a couple of years of them cooperating with official health mandates with that. Could it be why absolutely nobody is prepared to open that debate? Even Douglas evades that debate.
I'm sick to death with the news leading on Schofield. Why is he regarded as so important? I want to hear about serious things on TV news, like Ukraine, the immigration crisis, inflation, etc.
You want to hear more about Ukraine?????? I bet you're a romoaner..
That's exactly it. He is completely unimportant and therefore absolutely ideal to focus on while hiding the big stories.
Mainstream media won't give it to you.....substance that is.
Possible child abuse and a corporate cover up allegation is hardly displacement activity, you have completely failed to understand why the public are so concerned.
The plan is there is no plan.
A plan, clearly stated, is a target to attack. We have trained our politicians to say and do as little as possible - Witness the latest fuss over WhatsApp messages - an excellent training lesson in why to commit nothing to record anywhere.
Thank you, Douglas, I was beginning to think I was the only person thinking exactly as you say. It's the stabbing in the back from fellow celebs that is so ghastly to watch as well. May he that has never lied throw the first stone.
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Well said Douglas, as usual. Britain is so lost
The Meghan and Harry story is another example of the trivial and as Douglas said there are huge issues that need addressing, not frivolous stories about celebrities. Whether that is Phillip Schofield or Meghan Markle who have both dominated the front pages for weeks at a time. These stories are choreographed by parts of the media, I am sure intentionally in many cases, to distract from real issues in government.
As the legendary South Park ripped into them displayed the hypocrisy of their want for publicity whilst crying for privacy. I picture them as a monster feeding off the publicity growing more bigger and hideous if the media and people stopped caring and paying them attention it would cut of their food supply and they would shrivel up and disappear
Meghan and Harry are a far more serious case.
You are after all talking of a potential Head Of State in charge of reigning over not just the UK, but at least 14 other Realms.
An option that totally despises that potential role, and insults that position by reducing it to an Institution that is no different from a company CEO. I can assure you that NZ would be in civil war with him in charge within a week.
I agree 100%. We have lost our way as a country
Well said Douglas. Absolutely on the mark.
As Matthew Goodwin says “We are not a serious country” 😢
Instead of all this hatred, the media should be reporting on the important issues.
I have been asking the same question. Far worse people and issues that need exposing.
Should nonces not be exposed? 🚩
True, this is nuts; in their world P. Schofield counts as a very important person.
Philip reaches a HUGE mainstream audience . Practically nobody knows Douglas, except in cliquey wierdo circles
@@guff9567 Well, Douglas has had at least two books which have been Sunday Times No 1 best sellers, so he is pretty well known among people who are capable of reading, not to mention he regularly appears as a commentators on widely watched channels; although I'll concede that he probably isn't HUGE among the kind of peopel who watch television at breakfast time.
The issue also dominates discussion in parliament. Isn't it marvellous that soon, a parliamentary committee will begin an investigation into the vitally important issues arising from the Schofield saga? What chance, I wonder, of there being a similarly high powered investigation into excess deaths running at up 20% above average for the last few months?
@@adagietto2523 Yeah; Sunday Times: cliquey and marginal.
@@anonnemo2504 Parliament: another marginal clique, completely out of touch from the people
Well you learn something new every day! All these years and I've only just found out that I'm a snob.
I love Douglas Murray.
Couldnt agree more Douglas !! You certainly are not a snob !! You have a brain and not shallow unlike the main stream media .
Two simple questions for ITV and Schofield to answer. Is there an NDA in place that Schofields young lover had to agree to. If yes will They lift that NDA so the whole truth about what took place and when can be examined. At a stroke this will end all the speculation surrounding this whole issue.
GB News and Talk TV would say they are giving the people what they want. I suggest that they are giving the people what they can't resist. Some of us long for the old days when news was news and journalists investigated and didn't share their opinions and commentators who had opinions were not competing for the limelight.
It at least gives us a rest from hearing all about Harry and Meghan
It does give them a way to trash their competitors
Well done Douglas for exposing this sad cancel culture that is going on in the western world. As you say people would rather get someone sacked for the most trivial thing than talk about the real issues
Crap journalism!
..."everything is a damn gate..." 😂 You're so right. It's all deflection from the real issues at hand 🙄 Love the Spectator ✨️✨️✨️
Absolute sense from start to finish. His intelligence would leave every politician in the shade. Then again what does it take to be a politician....... we all know the answer to that!
Spot on! I was despairing about the same trivia on the media. I would be interested in Douglas giving ideas of things that could be done to improve things in this country. What would he think can be done about all the important issues?!
Spot on about the trivia stepping into the void that is government inactivity surrounding essential matters
Couldn't agree more with all Douglas's comments
There are a lot of media people who are now on the internet who feel they've been passed over by ITV and now see an opportunity to get their own back. They're sticking the knife in because of their own jealousy and resentment - they're settling old scores.
I’m not going to lie I’m loving the Scofield scandal because I knew all the details three years ago. Nothing better than a I told you so!
I don’t think there’s a national obsession over this subject, it’s just the mindless media that’s throwing it down our throats! Time to wake up people!
Not my throat...haven't read one article on it
What's wrong with discussing the Good Morning etc... stars' fall from grace? Simply the fact that that discussion never seems to end!
Well Doug, we've had Savile, Rolf and Glitter.
Pip enjoyed Thursday "playtimes" on the mat at his London pad, away from the gaze of his wife and children, with a young person, who he "mentored" from age 15, and who when aged 18 got the job as Pip's 'best boy' at ITV.
ITV Management knew of the "rumours" since 2019, but covered up this highly "unethical" and sordid matter to protect the "brand(s)", similar to BBC management with Saville, Harris and Glitter earlier.
Holly, knowing the above rumours about Pip which were common knowledge for years among her team, and following the guilty verdict of Pip's 54-year-old brother Tim last month, 12 year prison sentence for 11 sexual offences involving a child, took steps to protect her own brand and distanced herself from Pip.
The lying, the deflection, the feigned ignorance to limit the damage to the principals ensued.
No one in ITV management have given a fleeting thought to the young man's welfare or their legal duty of care to him.
Well said.
Focusing on trivial offenses is a symptom of cynicism. The widespread belief that all politicians never keep their promises, are corrupt, and accomplish little leads to a preoccupation with unimportant misdemeanors. The pursuit of titillation via famous peoples' indiscretion produces intellectual atrophy. Why do the heavy lifting of thinking about solutions to problems that matter, when one can get off on other peoples' salacious foibles.
I have never seen it. Sadly i have to work for a living 🤣
Exactly - we should be worrying about Brexit
As usual Douglas is right , I think the mainstream tv Is just a waste of time for everything even the news
He's always wrong on NeoCon wars. From the Iraq bloodbath to wanting to keep the Ukraine war going ( its already been going on for 9 bloody years from after a Western/ NeoCon/ Victoria Nuland backed coup ).
Probably especially the news…
Douglas Murray simply the best.
Voice of reason 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Well said Douglas! As always.
Possibly in short, people are fed up with deceit.. ! and
have forgotten about making INTEGRITY most important in their lives!
I was thinking the same thing last week. Who cares about Philip Schofield!
Totally agree with Douglas Murray. He always talks sense. Why aren’t people obsessed instead with the lies about climate change, the energy scandal
Well said Douglas. I am in dispair.😊
They're talking about this in NZ too!
Douglas Murray as we say here in the States “knocks another one out of the park”
Spot on !
"Who is the bigger fool - the fool or the fool who follows him?"
Well said, Mr. Murray
I'm a LOT of a snob - trust me, but I was glued to the self righteous, smarmy Schofield flying too close to the sun (and I don't mean the newspaper)
Well said ...... 👏 👏 👏
Not a fan of Murray and not a Tory voter, but my word he's bang on the money here regarding the UK. We've become a global laughing stock. Good grief...
Insightful
Great commentary