Enjoyed the video! One question - in your recap you mentioned Glimmerglass but the example shots are either notated as either Cinebloom or Pro Mist. Are you just saying that in general you prefer the Glimmerglass 1?
Oh man, screw up on my part in the edit. The shots of the naval base in the sun are with the Glimmerglass. So the hangar, building with the cloud, other like hangar y building, and the backlit shot. Hope that helps! 🤦🏻♂️
Nice video. The shot at 3:30 and 6:40 is exactly why medium format film it is always my first choice against digital except if I have to shoot digital for commercial work. If you look at the sky it is very clear how the film still have information in the highlights of the sky in the upper right corner and the transition it is so much more pleasant than in the digital image. I also agree that the sky 90% of the time looks better on film, it is something that you can get close if you are good with lightroom or photoshop but never exactly the same.
thanks! yeah in super high contrast and backlit scenes, film rolloff/highlights are still not quite matched by digital, even with a bloom filter (it helps though). and film is a lot more forgiving with the skies, digital you're stuck with some combination of blinkies/chimping/praying. (on the other hand, digital can recover shadows insanely well, but crushed shadows are often ok/pleasant)
Awesome discussion, thank you! That Fuji shot of the the building with the sun coming out from behind is amazeballs. Actually really preferred it over the film one, #heresy. Also nice timing on the Glimmerglass tip, recently crossed paths with a videographer who mentioned it - had never heard of it! Cheers, looking forward to the next video.
Thank you! Yeah I will refrain from the heresy but I guess a little more support for the "gear doesn't matter" trope. We can make Glimmerglass the next meme filter after BPM together.
I have been shooting a GFX 50s since 2017 and a Mamiya 7 since about 2000. Also shoot Mamiya M645 1000s frequently, and use many of its lenses on the GFX via Fotodiox adapters; the glass is fabulous. If I have a single complaint about the Mamiya 7 lenses, it is that they are too clinical, too close to AI enhanced digital. The M645 lenses are more "classical" rendering IMHO and that's part of why they seem appropriate on the GFX 50s. Thought your lecture was spot on. Wish more people understood.
Yeah, spot on. I had a Rollei 3.5 E and loved that as a contrast for a while, no pun intended. More glowy and classic with less contrast but still ultra sharp. Unfortunately workflow wasn’t for me. GFX 50s was the first camera that could compete with the Mamiya 7 for me / not feel like a compromise.
no longer making videos but some quick thoughts: -80mm is probably a hair sharper but i’m nit picking and they’re both super sharp -65mm viewfinder window is pretty off. tends to capture a lot more. 80mm is actually pretty accurate. -80mm offers better max magnification but you won’t be shooting headshots with either. if you shoot many portraits you’ll probably want an SLR style MF camera too :/ -80mm feels like a wide normal 42mm lens (maybe you’ve shot some pancakes this focal length). 65 feels a bit wider than a 35. obviously different aspect ratio than 35 so your mileage may vary. I would mostly go off of your focal length preferences since these are both excellent and not very characterful/weird lenses (don’t mean that in a negative way). -lenses feel and weigh a similar amount. iirc the 80 is a tiny bit smaller.
Looks like Alameda. Only been there once with a bunch of film photographers on a walk and the security guard kept hounding and threatening us not to take photos of the buildings, even from the sidewalk, so we split into three groups and fanned out and ran him ragged all afternoon. lol
I've been hassled there too multiple times - spent a lot of time around the naval base. generally, I stick to the sidewalk and try to be polite since it's obviously legal to shoot from there but yeah it's annoying. kind of our job as photographers to politely remind folks that photography in public spaces is legal
Good content .been shooting Mamiya 7 for 20 ish years but recently got the GFX50s and 45. As I felt that with a bit of work it’s as close to the mamiya as I can get digitally also adapting some legacy mamiya glass.
it's a super cool location with the mild downside of security guys occasionally getting grumpy. i've actually shot there a bunch in the past and need to spend more time there in the future
Great video, very helpful. On the fence about whether to spring for a Mamiya or just go with GFX 50 or 100. Agree that they sky looks quite a bit better on the Mamiya, but other than that, pretty darn close!
agreed. subjectively having owned a 50 MP and 100 MP GFX, the 100's are not much sharper but are a bit "cleaner" (less aliasing) and the AF is faster and more reliable. I don't need more dynamic range than the 50's offer but theoretically you gain something like 1/2 a stop of dynamic range. also, the 50's have a weird microlens design that makes the images look sharper/sharpened by default and you need to turn down the lightroom default unless you really want to cook them
What are your thoughts on buying a Mamiya 7 II in 2022. Does it still make sense when the Fuji GFX offers comparable imagequality and doesn't burn through expensive film? Seeing as you didn't take your Mamiya but the Fuji to Iceland I would really like to hear your opinion on this.
I bought my mamiya in around 2016, and prices were much cheaper. That was before the GFX system came out and I night and day preferred it to the Sony I had - technically similar quality, wayyy better colors, and much more fun to shoot. Nowadays, most of the benefit of film - especially given insane film prices - is fun for me. So if I’m going out to shoot locally, bringing a film camera makes it more novel and interactive. If I’m traveling or can’t afford to miss shots, I prefer digital. I’m not sure how deep you are into any particular ecosystem, but if you have a digital setup I’d start by dipping your toes into film with an affordable medium format system and then work your way up. Digital side is more of a pain. I bought an XT4 a few years ago because I wanted Fuji colors in a smaller package. Frustratingly, the images don’t look quite the same. On the other hand, the earlier gen GFX sensor is great. The 50R works if you don’t mind missing IS and the 50S II if you want it. Of course the 100MP sensor is slightly nicer (dynamic range, aliasing, detail) but it’s subtle.
I’m seeing similar results with my Leica S007 and my Hasselblad H2F. In certain situations, the film camera makes a more pleasing image. In others, the big sensor is the obvious choice.
Enjoyed the video! One question - in your recap you mentioned Glimmerglass but the example shots are either notated as either Cinebloom or Pro Mist. Are you just saying that in general you prefer the Glimmerglass 1?
Oh man, screw up on my part in the edit. The shots of the naval base in the sun are with the Glimmerglass. So the hangar, building with the cloud, other like hangar y building, and the backlit shot. Hope that helps! 🤦🏻♂️
@@atomikpi Thanks! Really like the look of it and want to try it out, so just wanted to make sure I was going for the right one.
very interesting comparison, thanks for sharing
Nice video. The shot at 3:30 and 6:40 is exactly why medium format film it is always my first choice against digital except if I have to shoot digital for commercial work. If you look at the sky it is very clear how the film still have information in the highlights of the sky in the upper right corner and the transition it is so much more pleasant than in the digital image. I also agree that the sky 90% of the time looks better on film, it is something that you can get close if you are good with lightroom or photoshop but never exactly the same.
thanks! yeah in super high contrast and backlit scenes, film rolloff/highlights are still not quite matched by digital, even with a bloom filter (it helps though). and film is a lot more forgiving with the skies, digital you're stuck with some combination of blinkies/chimping/praying. (on the other hand, digital can recover shadows insanely well, but crushed shadows are often ok/pleasant)
Awesome discussion, thank you! That Fuji shot of the the building with the sun coming out from behind is amazeballs. Actually really preferred it over the film one, #heresy. Also nice timing on the Glimmerglass tip, recently crossed paths with a videographer who mentioned it - had never heard of it! Cheers, looking forward to the next video.
Thank you! Yeah I will refrain from the heresy but I guess a little more support for the "gear doesn't matter" trope. We can make Glimmerglass the next meme filter after BPM together.
I have been shooting a GFX 50s since 2017 and a Mamiya 7 since about 2000. Also shoot Mamiya M645 1000s frequently, and use many of its lenses on the GFX via Fotodiox adapters; the glass is fabulous.
If I have a single complaint about the Mamiya 7 lenses, it is that they are too clinical, too close to AI enhanced digital. The M645 lenses are more "classical" rendering IMHO and that's part of why they seem appropriate on the GFX 50s.
Thought your lecture was spot on. Wish more people understood.
Yeah, spot on. I had a Rollei 3.5 E and loved that as a contrast for a while, no pun intended. More glowy and classic with less contrast but still ultra sharp. Unfortunately workflow wasn’t for me. GFX 50s was the first camera that could compete with the Mamiya 7 for me / not feel like a compromise.
Would you please do a video comparing the mamiya 7 80mm vs the 65mm I am about to buy one and cannot decide what lens to get
no longer making videos but some quick thoughts:
-80mm is probably a hair sharper but i’m nit picking and they’re both super sharp
-65mm viewfinder window is pretty off. tends to capture a lot more. 80mm is actually pretty accurate.
-80mm offers better max magnification but you won’t be shooting headshots with either. if you shoot many portraits you’ll probably want an SLR style MF camera too :/
-80mm feels like a wide normal 42mm lens (maybe you’ve shot some pancakes this focal length). 65 feels a bit wider than a 35. obviously different aspect ratio than 35 so your mileage may vary. I would mostly go off of your focal length preferences since these are both excellent and not very characterful/weird lenses (don’t mean that in a negative way).
-lenses feel and weigh a similar amount. iirc the 80 is a tiny bit smaller.
Fuji lenses on the gfx? Beautiful shots
thank you! correct, for this video all with the gf45/2.8
Looks like Alameda. Only been there once with a bunch of film photographers on a walk and the security guard kept hounding and threatening us not to take photos of the buildings, even from the sidewalk, so we split into three groups and fanned out and ran him ragged all afternoon. lol
I've been hassled there too multiple times - spent a lot of time around the naval base. generally, I stick to the sidewalk and try to be polite since it's obviously legal to shoot from there but yeah it's annoying. kind of our job as photographers to politely remind folks that photography in public spaces is legal
Good content .been shooting Mamiya 7 for 20 ish years but recently got the GFX50s and 45. As I felt that with a bit of work it’s as close to the mamiya as I can get digitally also adapting some legacy mamiya glass.
yeah, I feel the same way. have you bought a mamiya 7 glass adapter? I believe I heard one exists but a bit pricey since it needs electronics.
@@atomikpi not yet but I am looking at it . it would be nice to use the mamiya 7 Glass on the GFx50s. $499 US though ....
NLooks like lots of potential at the disused base location, would love to see more of that at some stage!
it's a super cool location with the mild downside of security guys occasionally getting grumpy. i've actually shot there a bunch in the past and need to spend more time there in the future
Great video, very helpful. On the fence about whether to spring for a Mamiya or just go with GFX 50 or 100. Agree that they sky looks quite a bit better on the Mamiya, but other than that, pretty darn close!
agreed. subjectively having owned a 50 MP and 100 MP GFX, the 100's are not much sharper but are a bit "cleaner" (less aliasing) and the AF is faster and more reliable. I don't need more dynamic range than the 50's offer but theoretically you gain something like 1/2 a stop of dynamic range. also, the 50's have a weird microlens design that makes the images look sharper/sharpened by default and you need to turn down the lightroom default unless you really want to cook them
@@atomikpi thank you, good to know and very helpful!
What are your thoughts on buying a Mamiya 7 II in 2022. Does it still make sense when the Fuji GFX offers comparable imagequality and doesn't burn through expensive film? Seeing as you didn't take your Mamiya but the Fuji to Iceland I would really like to hear your opinion on this.
I bought my mamiya in around 2016, and prices were much cheaper. That was before the GFX system came out and I night and day preferred it to the Sony I had - technically similar quality, wayyy better colors, and much more fun to shoot. Nowadays, most of the benefit of film - especially given insane film prices - is fun for me. So if I’m going out to shoot locally, bringing a film camera makes it more novel and interactive. If I’m traveling or can’t afford to miss shots, I prefer digital.
I’m not sure how deep you are into any particular ecosystem, but if you have a digital setup I’d start by dipping your toes into film with an affordable medium format system and then work your way up.
Digital side is more of a pain. I bought an XT4 a few years ago because I wanted Fuji colors in a smaller package. Frustratingly, the images don’t look quite the same. On the other hand, the earlier gen GFX sensor is great. The 50R works if you don’t mind missing IS and the 50S II if you want it. Of course the 100MP sensor is slightly nicer (dynamic range, aliasing, detail) but it’s subtle.
Thanks, really appreciate that you took the time to answer.
I’m seeing similar results with my Leica S007 and my Hasselblad H2F. In certain situations, the film camera makes a more pleasing image. In others, the big sensor is the obvious choice.
cheers, agreed
I also enjoyed the colour of the film shots more. The sky is too green with the GFX.
yeah agreed. some of the blame goes to the fujifilm profile, but if you use the default profile, you lose a lot of the "film-y look"