This, and the Roman Szmal series were the ones that prompted me to become a patron! These are so educational and valuable, in terms of choosing various paint brands and colors.
YAY! It's season 3 time! This is def one of my fav series. It's so useful and interesting to see how the same pigment or color name vary across brands before buying a new color. This episode is a great example, I would have been so disappointed if I ordered the permanent sap green expecting it to be as dark as the online image. Thanks to the patrons and the Queen of the pigment nerds for continuing this series!
Very happy to see that you are going to test on cotton paper. As one who uses cotton paper exclusively (and I suspect most of your followers do) I have always thought that was a missing component of your videos. As we know, paint performance varies greatly between cotton paper and cellulose paper and I could not rely on your videos for that information. Look forward to the addition of cotton paper videos.
I'm surprised at your swatch of Daniel Smith Perylene Green. Mine is as dark as the Mission Gold sample. I do have it in the Roman Szmal, also, which I really like. Congratulations on Season 3!
Schmincke is my favorite and I’ve been using it for years! And wow that Jackson’s sap green is shocking! You should send them this scan and implore them to update their swatch 🤨
Fabulous timing, I just put the last of my Perylene Green in my palette and was wondering if you had a video like this so I know what to buy next. The mission gold one speaks to me.
None of the Sennelier paints (from tubes) have made bubbles on my paper. This is my go-to brand. I think I have 45 colors. I have Greenish Umber and have swatched for opacity, staining, and gradient on cotton paper (Bee Co.) and found it lovely.
I have a Special Edition 12 color set of Schmincke half pan wc. Recently, I finally gave this set a good workout and the Perylene Green, unexpectedly, turned out to be my fave. At first, I thought, “ugh.” But then I saw it’s beauty and usefulness in shading, of course, but it’s not just a dark green…it has more personality than that. Thanks for this helpful comparison.
I have a small tube of the Holbein $$$ which I love, I might get the Roman Szmal deep when I run out. (Note: I think that PBk11 is Iron Oxide Black rather than Lamp Black).
hi, you are correct, but also what I said is also correct. I give the CI Common or Historical Name according to the artist creations paint database (www.artiscreation.com/black.html#.YpnAh-zMIVE) rather than what paint names people often see those pigments by. The name you brought up are correct as it is the names that PBk11 pigment are sold when in watercolor paint form.
I love this series. Thank you so much!!! All of your color comparisons and brand series are wonderful and so helpful to try and narrow down so many beautiful color choices! Again, thank you! 🥰
I’m so happy to see this, thank you for such a comprehensive overview of such a complex color 🤗. It’s one of those colors I could take or leave depending on the day, tho RS and DV are in my stash (and maybe Lukas). If it leans viridian’ish (to me) I don’t care for it, so the balance of PBk11’s depth of color vs it just looking super dark yet still retain its “green” is delicate. I use the same Fabriano paper for swatching. It’s 25% cotton and 140lbs and is just a little bit more $ than say Strathmore, here in the US, especially when on sale, tho I’ve gotten loose 100 packs from Jackson’s at a ridiculous price. There’s a 90lb version as well which is very nice. I don’t use Bockingford but enjoyed seeing the small swatch. One paper I love that’s difficult to find here is Canson’s Moulin de Roy. Bee Paper is hit or miss availability. When you work consistently with a paper it works with you, and the pigments join the party, so you’ll develop the best techniques for whatever kind of paper you’re using. I keep hearing “Practice does the trick,” lol. When I meet “Practice” we’re going to have a conversation 😂😂😂 Very much looking forward to the next video! 🌺
This will be a fun series! 😄. I have Daniel Smith and it is much darker than you have in your video. I don’t know if you watered down the paint or what but Daniel Smiths is not that light. I also don’t think gouache should be included in this comparison. Gouache is not watercolor. It was fun to see the cost of the paints in different countries. Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. Maybe you need to test them on 100% cotton paper and cheap paper too. You would be showing two different results to two different audiences. 👍 It would be fun to see!
My tube of Daniel Smith perylene green looks very much like her swatch. It’s the least pigmented DS tube I own. Maybe different batches just come out that way.
This was really interesting to watch! So nice to see all those brands side by side. Would love to try the Da Vinci one, but it is impossible to buy it in Portugal. Besides Daniel Smith's and Roman Szmal's Perylene Greens I also have the ShinHan's Shadow Green (PBK31) which is also very nice.
Oto….. I would dearly LOVE to see you do a series on mixing your own convenience colors. I think it could be so valuable to those of us who, for whatever reason, would rather mix our own secondaries. I sat down this morning and in my first try I came up with perfect dupes for both Perylene Green and Red. I made the green with Pthalo Green YS and Sepia, and the red with Pyrrol Crimson (264) and Neutral Tint (MGraham). I actually find it ‘more convenient’ and certainly cheaper, to just mix from my studio palette that’s right there in front of me, rather than dig out a seldom used tube of paint from my stash.
I am really happy to see rembrandt. As it and sennelier are the only brands that I can get at reasonable prices. The rest are more than 3 times their price here.
One error; PBk11 is oxide/lunar/mars black.(granulating often overwhelms; magnitite) PBk6 is lamp black. (Smooth and muddy ; Carbon Black used often in inks)
hi, you are correct, but also what I said is also correct. I give the CI Common or Historical Name according to the artist creations paint database (www.artiscreation.com/black.html#.YpnAh-zMIVE) rather than what paint names people often see those pigments by. The names you brought up are totally correct as those are the names that these pigments are sold when in watercolor paint form.
@@OtoKano I wish naming conventions were not so confusing. Why are they literally using the same name for two different pigments! Sigh. We are both correct and naming conventions of pigments are flawed. Keep up the great content.
Perylene Green's been a color I've just yearned after for a long time but I can't bring myself to get one knowing that it's (supposedly) a color that doesn't play well with scanners and would require a lot of touching up digitally... It's such a shame because it's SUCH a beautiful color 😭💚
I currently have the DaVinci. I have been able to graded washes just fine out of my DaVinci. And DaVinci is so economical here in the USA. Being a pigment nerd, I think it would be interesting to try out the Roman Szmal PBk32!
omg YES and the first episode is about one of my most favorite colors PBk31 (well, perylene green) 💚 I have the holbein one and have been very happy with it, but I've been considering getting DS. However, looking at this comparison video, I'll stick with holbein. I've also been curious with sennelier's greenish umber but now I think I'll skip it too... Schmincke might be good to add in my collection one day, but I'll have to wait for a major sale. Rembrandt dusk green's texture is 👌 I think I still have some pbk11 so I can mix it. I don't know if I've commented on it before, but I want to thank you for using cheaper, cellulose paper. I'm still an amateur in watercolors and right now, all I can spare extra money for is cellulose paper/sketchbooks. Only reason I have cotton papers and sketchbook is people gifted them to me. Thank you so much for being considerate to beginners and casual painters like me. That said, thanks for also adding cotton paper alongside cellulose paper 💛
Looks like the cheapest genuine PBk31 artist grade watercolor in the US is the Da Vinci, which is great since it looks good here. The W&N and Holbein look great, too. I like the hue of the W&N the best and the texture of the Roman Szmal is really nice. Thanks for this video, very helpful!
Yaaas! That Permanent Sap Green is the ONLY paint I've ever oops-bought two tubes of! 😂 I had forgotten names but knew off the top of my head what my Jackson's paints *looked like* and surely the beautiful light green I had on hand was not this deep dark majestic beauty I must have clearly overlooked! Gahhh I love it but I now have 42mL, minus the decent dent I've put in it painting. So. A lot. Heh
thank you for swatching W&N guache! I was wondering how it looks :) My greenish umber does that too if its straight from the tube (even if I try to mix the separating binder) but if I put it in the pan and let it dry a little bit it gets better
If you like the Da Vinci (this is the one I have and it's great), the 15ml tube is on sale right now for $8.72 in the U.S. direct from their website. 😊
Eeeeeeeek!!!! I have Da Vinci, Schmincke, Roman Szmal and Holbein. I love my Holbein shadow green!! I’m very happy I have da Vinci & Holbein for this pigment, I wouldn’t buy it from Roman Szmal again, it disappoints me with it’s lack of depth. Schmincke is similarly lacking the super darkness I want, but it’s pretty good overall. I loveee the look of W&N best from all of your swatches. I almost want to add it to my collection!! 😬 Thank you so much for doing another season! Thank you to your patreons, this series is so valuable to all of us!
*seems to me that MOST times daniel smith, winsor & newton, sometimes schmincke, and roman szmal are the GOOD performers, and most consistent.* (i like *da vinci* , especially certain paints, but overall doesn't seem to be one of the stronger performers). *holbein* is amazing at times, but then this 4 gradients test and others show a deep color that suddenly disappears, or in the tinting strength test. HOW does it go from a dark wash to being so weak??? it's so bizarre! ((would like to see A. Gallo on some of these to get a benchmark of them too.))
Also my DS Perylene green is darker than yours. It looks more comparable to the Windsor and newton and might even be darker? Odd yours is so pale. Mine is really dark I just checked my swatch again before commenting. Weird. Anyways I love my DS one so I can recommend it.
Why are you deleting my comments about PBk11 not being called "Lamp Black" according to the Artist Creation Database that you rely upon. I'm sorry to say that not willing to admit a mistake has had an impact on my confidence in you :(
This, and the Roman Szmal series were the ones that prompted me to become a patron! These are so educational and valuable, in terms of choosing various paint brands and colors.
YAY! It's season 3 time! This is def one of my fav series. It's so useful and interesting to see how the same pigment or color name vary across brands before buying a new color. This episode is a great example, I would have been so disappointed if I ordered the permanent sap green expecting it to be as dark as the online image. Thanks to the patrons and the Queen of the pigment nerds for continuing this series!
yessss, so excited to watch this season! looking forward to seeing how these paints behave on cotton paper 😊
Very happy to see that you are going to test on cotton paper. As one who uses cotton paper exclusively (and I suspect most of your followers do) I have always thought that was a missing component of your videos. As we know, paint performance varies greatly between cotton paper and cellulose paper and I could not rely on your videos for that information. Look forward to the addition of cotton paper videos.
Couldn’t click the play button any faster! Thanks for another great video!💛 Probably going to have to go rewatch some older episodes now🎨🤓
I'm surprised at your swatch of Daniel Smith Perylene Green. Mine is as dark as the Mission Gold sample. I do have it in the Roman Szmal, also, which I really like. Congratulations on Season 3!
I agree, I have the WN and DS versions and I'd say the DS is darker and more pigmented, but they work the same.
My tube of Daniel Smith perylene green is probably the most disappointing DS paint I own. It’s very weak.
Schmincke is my favorite and I’ve been using it for years! And wow that Jackson’s sap green is shocking! You should send them this scan and implore them to update their swatch 🤨
there is another weird one like this i just found too
Fabulous timing, I just put the last of my Perylene Green in my palette and was wondering if you had a video like this so I know what to buy next. The mission gold one speaks to me.
Thank you so much for all of these videos!😊
YAYYYY!!!!! So happy to see the Showdown come back for a 3rd season!!!
None of the Sennelier paints (from tubes) have made bubbles on my paper. This is my go-to brand. I think I have 45 colors. I have Greenish Umber and have swatched for opacity, staining, and gradient on cotton paper (Bee Co.) and found it lovely.
I love Sennelier too, ultramarine deep is the most luminous ultramarine I've used, so gorgeous.
I’ve never had bubbles in sennelier. Sounds like a bad tube.
I love Sennelier. I have been using it for awhile now. Thank you so very much. I am learning a lot.
I have a Special Edition 12 color set of Schmincke half pan wc. Recently, I finally gave this set a good workout and the Perylene Green, unexpectedly, turned out to be my fave. At first, I thought, “ugh.” But then I saw it’s beauty and usefulness in shading, of course, but it’s not just a dark green…it has more personality than that. Thanks for this helpful comparison.
I have a small tube of the Holbein $$$ which I love, I might get the Roman Szmal deep when I run out. (Note: I think that PBk11 is Iron Oxide Black rather than Lamp Black).
hi, you are correct, but also what I said is also correct. I give the CI Common or Historical Name according to the artist creations paint database (www.artiscreation.com/black.html#.YpnAh-zMIVE) rather than what paint names people often see those pigments by. The name you brought up are correct as it is the names that PBk11 pigment are sold when in watercolor paint form.
I love this series. Thank you so much!!! All of your color comparisons and brand series are wonderful and so helpful to try and narrow down so many beautiful color choices! Again, thank you! 🥰
Yay so glad this series is back!! Thank you for sharing your expertise
One of my favourite paint colours (in the right formulation)--so many uses. Thanks for this overview!
I’m so happy to see this, thank you for such a comprehensive overview of such a complex color 🤗. It’s one of those colors I could take or leave depending on the day, tho RS and DV are in my stash (and maybe Lukas). If it leans viridian’ish (to me) I don’t care for it, so the balance of PBk11’s depth of color vs it just looking super dark yet still retain its “green” is delicate.
I use the same Fabriano paper for swatching. It’s 25% cotton and 140lbs and is just a little bit more $ than say Strathmore, here in the US, especially when on sale, tho I’ve gotten loose 100 packs from Jackson’s at a ridiculous price. There’s a 90lb version as well which is very nice. I don’t use Bockingford but enjoyed seeing the small swatch. One paper I love that’s difficult to find here is Canson’s Moulin de Roy. Bee Paper is hit or miss availability. When you work consistently with a paper it works with you, and the pigments join the party, so you’ll develop the best techniques for whatever kind of paper you’re using. I keep hearing “Practice does the trick,” lol. When I meet “Practice” we’re going to have a conversation 😂😂😂
Very much looking forward to the next video! 🌺
This will be a fun series! 😄. I have Daniel Smith and it is much darker than you have in your video. I don’t know if you watered down the paint or what but Daniel Smiths is not that light. I also don’t think gouache should be included in this comparison. Gouache is not watercolor. It was fun to see the cost of the paints in different countries. Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. Maybe you need to test them on 100% cotton paper and cheap paper too. You would be showing two different results to two different audiences. 👍 It would be fun to see!
My tube of Daniel Smith perylene green looks very much like her swatch. It’s the least pigmented DS tube I own. Maybe different batches just come out that way.
This was really interesting to watch! So nice to see all those brands side by side. Would love to try the Da Vinci one, but it is impossible to buy it in Portugal. Besides Daniel Smith's and Roman Szmal's Perylene Greens I also have the ShinHan's Shadow Green (PBK31) which is also very nice.
Oto….. I would dearly LOVE to see you do a series on mixing your own convenience colors. I think it could be so valuable to those of us who, for whatever reason, would rather mix our own secondaries. I sat down this morning and in my first try I came up with perfect dupes for both Perylene Green and Red. I made the green with Pthalo Green YS and Sepia, and the red with Pyrrol Crimson (264) and Neutral Tint (MGraham). I actually find it ‘more convenient’ and certainly cheaper, to just mix from my studio palette that’s right there in front of me, rather than dig out a seldom used tube of paint from my stash.
I am really happy to see rembrandt. As it and sennelier are the only brands that I can get at reasonable prices. The rest are more than 3 times their price here.
One error; PBk11 is oxide/lunar/mars black.(granulating often overwhelms; magnitite)
PBk6 is lamp black. (Smooth and muddy ; Carbon Black used often in inks)
hi, you are correct, but also what I said is also correct. I give the CI Common or Historical Name according to the artist creations paint database (www.artiscreation.com/black.html#.YpnAh-zMIVE) rather than what paint names people often see those pigments by. The names you brought up are totally correct as those are the names that these pigments are sold when in watercolor paint form.
@@OtoKano I wish naming conventions were not so confusing. Why are they literally using the same name for two different pigments! Sigh. We are both correct and naming conventions of pigments are flawed.
Keep up the great content.
Perylene Green's been a color I've just yearned after for a long time but I can't bring myself to get one knowing that it's (supposedly) a color that doesn't play well with scanners and would require a lot of touching up digitally... It's such a shame because it's SUCH a beautiful color 😭💚
I currently have the DaVinci. I have been able to graded washes just fine out of my DaVinci. And DaVinci is so economical here in the USA.
Being a pigment nerd, I think it would be interesting to try out the Roman Szmal PBk32!
so helpful, thank you!
omg YES and the first episode is about one of my most favorite colors PBk31 (well, perylene green) 💚
I have the holbein one and have been very happy with it, but I've been considering getting DS. However, looking at this comparison video, I'll stick with holbein. I've also been curious with sennelier's greenish umber but now I think I'll skip it too... Schmincke might be good to add in my collection one day, but I'll have to wait for a major sale.
Rembrandt dusk green's texture is 👌 I think I still have some pbk11 so I can mix it.
I don't know if I've commented on it before, but I want to thank you for using cheaper, cellulose paper. I'm still an amateur in watercolors and right now, all I can spare extra money for is cellulose paper/sketchbooks. Only reason I have cotton papers and sketchbook is people gifted them to me. Thank you so much for being considerate to beginners and casual painters like me.
That said, thanks for also adding cotton paper alongside cellulose paper 💛
I ADORE this color...
I have W&N ad can testify it is georgeous
Looks like the cheapest genuine PBk31 artist grade watercolor in the US is the Da Vinci, which is great since it looks good here. The W&N and Holbein look great, too. I like the hue of the W&N the best and the texture of the Roman Szmal is really nice. Thanks for this video, very helpful!
I've used a tube of Windsor and Newton and it's perfect and I've recently bought a tube of DaVinci's and it's equally as good.
Loved seeing all of those greens!
Very good video! I’d like to try the Schmincke or W&N watercolour version for trees and seas and colour mixing.
Yaaas! That Permanent Sap Green is the ONLY paint I've ever oops-bought two tubes of! 😂 I had forgotten names but knew off the top of my head what my Jackson's paints *looked like* and surely the beautiful light green I had on hand was not this deep dark majestic beauty I must have clearly overlooked! Gahhh
I love it but I now have 42mL, minus the decent dent I've put in it painting. So. A lot. Heh
thank you for swatching W&N guache! I was wondering how it looks :) My greenish umber does that too if its straight from the tube (even if I try to mix the separating binder) but if I put it in the pan and let it dry a little bit it gets better
Wohooo am so excited!! Thank you for making these videos, I enjoy them SO MUCH 😊
If you like the Da Vinci (this is the one I have and it's great), the 15ml tube is on sale right now for $8.72 in the U.S. direct from their website. 😊
Mmmmm.... I'm curious to see how da Vinci does with the other tests because that is a delicious color!
Eeeeeeeek!!!!
I have Da Vinci, Schmincke, Roman Szmal and Holbein. I love my Holbein shadow green!! I’m very happy I have da Vinci & Holbein for this pigment, I wouldn’t buy it from Roman Szmal again, it disappoints me with it’s lack of depth. Schmincke is similarly lacking the super darkness I want, but it’s pretty good overall. I loveee the look of W&N best from all of your swatches. I almost want to add it to my collection!! 😬
Thank you so much for doing another season! Thank you to your patreons, this series is so valuable to all of us!
Nice, I can actually get Holbein WC fairly easily locally (along with Daniel Smith).
some times it is called perylene black, nice other view
*seems to me that MOST times daniel smith, winsor & newton, sometimes schmincke, and roman szmal are the GOOD performers, and most consistent.* (i like *da vinci* , especially certain paints, but overall doesn't seem to be one of the stronger performers). *holbein* is amazing at times, but then this 4 gradients test and others show a deep color that suddenly disappears, or in the tinting strength test. HOW does it go from a dark wash to being so weak??? it's so bizarre!
((would like to see A. Gallo on some of these to get a benchmark of them too.))
Omg 😱 S3 Loving it ♥️👏🏼👏🏼
Also my DS Perylene green is darker than yours. It looks more comparable to the Windsor and newton and might even be darker? Odd yours is so pale. Mine is really dark I just checked my swatch again before commenting. Weird. Anyways I love my DS one so I can recommend it.
My DS looks very much like hers. It’s the least pigmented Daniel Smith I own.
Oooh
Dang, I should’ve gotten Holbein or W&N because they look better to me. My DS Perylene Green looks like that.😭
Dang, I wish I could get Roman Szmal.😭
Uh somebody tell Jackson's thats NOT peryaline green. What the? Lol
Why are you deleting my comments about PBk11 not being called "Lamp Black" according to the Artist Creation Database that you rely upon. I'm sorry to say that not willing to admit a mistake has had an impact on my confidence in you :(
Really disappointed in Daniel Smith.
so helpful, thank you!