Telegraph Drive; that street in Virginia gives me the creeps at night. Slow down for the deer all you want; by the time you see them it's already too late
I mean I can’t fall the Medical examiner here. Her determination and actions seem pretty reasonable based on the situation, the information provided, what she said the state of the body was, and ultimately what the family of the deceased wanted
She was at fault. An Autopsy should have been done to determine the actual cause of death. Because she didn't the prosecution was flying blind with no evidence for their case.
The selfishness, and heartlessness to hear a person begging for help as they slowly bleed to death, whilst you sit there worrying about yourself and how it affects you... the mind boggles.
Honestly, no. It sounds like a very human reaction. It’s fear. Some people, unfortunately, don’t work well under pressure, and will need to step away from situations like that in order to try and calm down and process. It sucks that she just sat there trying to figure out what to do next, but at the same time, I could see a bunch of people in the same situation having similar reactions. It doesn’t necessarily make them selfish or heartless, it makes them scared because they’ve been apart of a car accident, and there’s someone dying in their windshield, and it all happened at dark just when they were at their most vulnerable, while pulling into their garage at home. It’s a scary series of events, and that reaction, while sad and extremely unfortunate, is understandable.
This is actually based on a case where a person hit a pedestrian with a car and simply abandoned the car instead of getting medical help. The state charged the driver with homicide for hitting the pedestrian and not getting him life-saving medical attention. At trial the defense attorney was able to prove that there was no negligence or recklesness in hitting the pedestrian, forcing the state to rely on on the failure to obtain medical care as the primary criminal act. However the defense attorney then introduced evidence stating that the pedestrian had been instantly killed by the car accident, and thus no medical care would have saved him, and thus the driver's failure to obtain medical care was not a crime because the medical care would not have saved the pedestrian. It was a brilliant defense.
@@John-ir4id The lawyer did right by their client. Just because someone is guilty of one thing doesn't mean they are guilty of another. The prosecutor was stupid. I wouldn't call the defense brilliant but astute.
No. The case is based on the murder of Gregory Glenn Biggs. He was a homeless man. A woman, believed to be intoxicated, hit him then drove home to her garage with him stuck in the windshield. She left him dying there for 2 days. She was successfully convicted.
She was more concerned with "What does this mean for me?" than trying to save the life of someone who she, at the time, believed was responsible for putting in mortal danger. Then she was more concerned with her lawyer's 1 in 1,000,000 attempt at proving something else killed them, rather than respecting the family's wishes of avoiding an autopsy.
Yeah the real story was a homeless guy was hit by a lady DWI and he was stuck in her windshield and she let him die over night. It was near FT Worth in 2001.
Honestly the lady would have looked a lot more innocent if she called the ambulance. Even if the guy wasn't drunk unless she was drunk or distracted it would have just been an accident.
Worst she was looking at was probation, even McCoy wasn't looking at a big sentence. But she was too worried about her image, which is obvious what her lawyer was defending by painting the victim as the incompetent one. He got lucky with the results.
Even if she didn't kill him, she still hit him with her car, then neglected him as she hear him calling for help while in severe pain and gradually bleeding to death. Then she took off and lied to the police about it when they first questioned her. She can still be put in jail for more than 5 years if found guilty.
Many times the pedestrians are the criminally negligent ones stepping out in front of moving vehicles! Physically when vechile vs person happens the vehicle wins everytime.
@James Poledna You are correct and this case seems to track with your statement. That said if her side of the story is true she most likely wouldn't have been found guilty of anything if she had stopped and called it in. I've nearly wiped out a handful of drunk women on separate occasions that stumbled over into my lane as I was about to pass them. Thankfully I'm quick to respond and swerved to avoid them and had 1-2 passengers as witnesses everytime that happened.
Thank you. I was going to say that. Fact of the matter is that narcissistic woman knew she struck this man, and heard him cry for help. She didn't bother calling for an ambulance or anything. So what that he was dying anyway? How does that affect her guilt?
Gosh I remember this episode vividly from when it was on TV and I was younger - like 12. Stood out to me then and I’ve always remembered how heartless the defendant seemed, letting the guy moan and wail in her garage instead calling for help...
@@manishrawat123 Main point of the episode isn't the lady. What happens with her is that the lawyer she has gets her probation for lesser charges because she's a first time offender. McCoy and his team then go to search for the person who beat the dead guy which leads to a narrative on homelessness.
He got lucky. His whole intention was to save her image and paint the victim in an ill light. Unless he lives a serious double life as a medical doctor with no sleep whatsoever, no way he would figure that being the result. He was banking on the victim at least turning out to be deadass drunk based on what she would have told him.
@@samsonguy10k Or due diligence turning up results. That's literally what due diligence is - checking everything so that you catch these opportunities.
CSI did a twist on this same premise... In that one, the victim was a jumper, landed through someone’s windshield. Driver went home and let him die. Ironically, he would’ve gotten off if he’d called for help, because the guy was suicidal.
Well, here’s a fun story. Suicidal man living on the 5th floor of an apartment building sat with his back to the window, and a shotgun pointed at his head. As he tried to pull the trigger with his toes, he flinched and the slug missed his head by inches. At that very instant, a man who had just jumped to his death passed by the window and was struck by the slug. It killed him instantly. The cops charged the man who fired the shotgun with manslaughter, but the DA dropped the charges because both men were suicidal and there was no reasonable suspicion to believe there would be anyone outside a 5th story window when the guy fired the gun. I used to have the article saved (it was a in a newspaper), but I can’t find it anymore.
@@GhostDrummer That'd still be negligent homicide, no different than if you fired up into the air and the bullet happened to come down and kill someone. You shoot a bullet, it will eventually land.
Also improper disposal of a corpse (dumping the body), obstruction of justice (lying to police in an interview), and destruction of evidence (repairing the car used in a hit-and-run). There might be a case for illegal imprisonment because she locked the dying man in a cold garage with no way out.
The Hit & Run is Manslaughter (Murder 2). She was responsible for an unintentional death but she fled the scene of the crime. Depraved Indifference is Murder 3; her lawyer should plea down to the lesser charge. The private autopsy might be a bargaining chip because the State did not do due diligence and do a thorough autopsy itself. The person or people who beat the victim should be tried for Murder 1, as they planned to beat him and knew death was a potential outcome. The State would never have found the new avenue of investigation without the autopsy.
Depraved heart murder is the term, but it requires the defendant to have actually killed someone. Here the defendant didn't inflict a fatal injury, so no homicide charge would be appropriate.
I love when the suspects actually get a competent defense attorney. The guy was right from the start. Just shut up and stop talking. Talking to the police, especially when your lawyer isn't present, never helps anyone who is a murder suspect.
@@madunwagbo4769 Totally agree. I think that Lennie fans weren't gonna give him a chance. But if you rewatch Seasons 15 and 16, there were some of the best episodes of the franchise. He was just grittier and not as humorous as Lennie, but he was solid in his own right.
@Aaron Burgin Totally agree. It would have been interesting to see how the Trial by Jury crossover of Season 15 would have played out if Jerry had still been alive to film it
Had a feeling this was based on a real life case. If anyone here watched Mr Ballen he covered a video based on a criminal case where a woman was driving drunk and rammed into a ped. Panicked and decided to drive home and leave the victim badly injured and mangled in her car. Then she and her friends dumped the body in a park
@@nataliehill1472 She still committed a hit and run, lied about what happened, and tampered with evidence (among other things). All for nothing when calling the police wouldn't have gotten her in trouble.
@@sonrouge Rule 1: Never talk to the cops. What she did was smart - if the circumstances were even slightly different, and she wouldn't have known unless she was a lawyer which she wasn't, calling the cops could've copped her a negligent homicide conviction.
Just bc the car hit and run wasn't the actual cause of death doesn't negate the fact that she heard him calling for help and she left him for dead in her garage to me that's just as callous as running him over deliberately
I agree. I don't watch the SVU clips they post. Not to mention they won't touch the *"Criminal Intent"* series. Now that show I would watch. "CI" was my favorite from all the L&O series'...
@@Deborahtunes ok, so true! I wonder why they skipped over the Jamie ross and Abbie Carmichael days, too. Those were in my opinion better than Serena days. And I wouldn’t mind CI clips as well!
@@potatogirl1340 ~ Agreed. I loved when Angie Harmon (Carmichael) was on the show. Her and Jack worked so well together. But I enjoy anything she does...
Spoiler: Lady ends up getting minor charges (or however "minor" involuntary manslaughter is), and then probation due to the severity of what she does plead guilty to and the fact that she's a first time offender. Her case isn't actually the main focus of the episode, because afterward, the team look into the beating and find that it was another homeless person who was responsible. Episode's narrative is about homelessness and our societal view on them. Guy who did it gets a "guilty", with McCoy remarking (though not in a positive manner) that he'll have shelter, food... but has been sent to another "jungle" in terms of people vs people survival.
I don't remember the episode, but Briscoe makes a smart remark and Green tells the person they're talking to, "I get to spend all day with him." That's what I love about this show.
It's still leaving the scene of an accident, not usually a felony and probably wouldn't incur jail time, especially for a person of means. If the people can't prove that the defendant caused the death than that's pretty much it. She didn't kill him, somebody else did.
She hit him, he was in her windshield, pulled into the garage while he was moaning for help, left him there, came back and found him dead. Thats not leaving an accident, thats at least indifferent manslaughter
The car didn't kill him. OK, she's still guilty of reckless driving, assault with a deadly weapon, and depraved indifference. Now let's go find the actual murderer.
Dylan Baker, yes. He also plays a father who injected his son with a deadly virus in an earlier Law and Order Episode entitled "Flight." One of my favorite roles of his was Road To Perdition, where he played the mob accountant Mr. Rance.
How I see it,she know he needed help after hitting him with her car and she just left him there,she also believed that he got injured and later died from his run in with her and she hid the facts and lied about it, in my opinion she also contributed to his death.
The problem was that he was already a dead man walking apparently. Even if she called an ambulance & he was raced to the hospital he would have died due to the hours or days of bleeding in his brain from the beating. Basically she got lucky that they couldn’t pin his death on her. Of course that doesn’t mean there aren’t other charges that can be pinned on her.
She hits someone with her car, worries about what it's going to mean for her and her life while the person bleeds out, crying for help, and then covers up the crime. THEN, after getting caught, she lets her lawyer violate the victim even further by dissecting him like a lab-rat on the 1 in a million chance something else can be blamed for his death apart form the incredibly obvious. A complete sociopath with no regard for the victim or his family.
Most all episodes the killer is not a career criminal but when they are questioned early on they lie so convincingly to the cops. They are calm and even joking about their cars after killing someone. They never killed anyone before but they are so cool. I think I'd have trouble lying after I killed someone. This does not apply the the career criminals in some episodes
I am still boggle by how she even got off with such a light sentance, she pretty much had a hand in killing the dude, with her car along with the fact she did not even bother to get medical help and just left him to die while he called for help.
If you actually managed to understand the video even a little bit, you would've noticed that it was precisely the opposite - she did not have any part of causing his death.
Couldn't she still be convicted of something? She didn't know that the man was already dying. In her mind, she had to cover up a killing she did. I mean, if I shoot someone with the intent of killing them, but they were already dead. However, I didn't know they were dead. Am I guilty of attempted murder?
Well, maybe. Like the hypothetical case of someone jumping off the roof of a building and someone shooting and killing him on the way down. I think that would still be murder.
See things like this is why people see lawyers as scumbags, obviously it's not a documentary but how many legal documentaries have you watched recently
I remember a real life case where a man was convicted of murdering his wife by beating her to death based on the bruises on her body. But a second autopsy was later done and it was revealed that she died from a heart condition (if I remember correctly) that can produce similiar symptoms like the bruises on her body and he was acquitted.
The hit and run ..sounds very familiar ! Almost like when a white van sneaks in between the curb and the bus you are on in downtown Hartford, CT and if you did not look prior to walking off of the bus, you would have been hit ! This was done with intent, and happened literally less than 2 months ago. This seems to be a common, yet intermittent occurrance in AZ, VA, CT !
4:08 exactly my reaction, how monstrous, she could have saved him, instead she worries about how she's going to cover this up whilst hearing the dying man plead for help....!
She makes more in an hour than a lot of folks do in half a year being an image consultant for monied people. She was worried about her image and less about someone's life. That kind of callous indifference the world can do with a whole lot less of.
She get's probation because the car indeed didn't kill him, but she did commit other crimes in handling the situation. There was nothing she could have done, because he was "already" dead.
If I remember correctly, she beat him to death in order to make it look like the accident killed him. However, I haven't seen this episode in a long time.
This reminds me the game, La noria in the case marriage in heaven when the victim walking in front of the car and hit him victim was already dead before the car hit him well his wife and business partner stab them with a knife and push him in front of the car to make it look like I accident
Another homeless man didn't share an orange with him, and he gets 12 years; however, you paint the woman who had him on his HOOD as a victim LMAO really? Good ole NYC 🙄🤣😂🤣
Yeah... but she still hit him and didn't call for help. There's a good chance that the crash rushed his death. Like, he could've lived a bit longer if she didn't hit him. In fact, could it be that the injuries that were found in the back of the head were caused by the crash and not someone beating him? Either way, accomplice or just mercy killing (If you can call it that), should be charged, no?
I hate how wrong they get things, and how many laws they violate trying to get someone. I know its tv but do a better job. Rolls royce does any color custom matching - not aston. They also handed him a VW/Audi fob, blood in rear?
So they will have to drop homicide. But they can get her on obstruction and desecration of human remains. She fixed her car to cover up the accident and dumped the body. They can probably get 2-5 years in prison for this awful person.
Regardless of if the car did not kill the man she still hit and ran which in most if not all of the states is still an assault with a vehicle so she should still be charged with a crime it's just the crime wouldn't be murder it would have been a form of assault, the charges would change but it being a crime does not. Now they have to find the people who beat the man so bad that he had brain drama.
I hate car cities but people, especially drunks and bums, breaking the law and heading out into the street and getting hit should never be blamed on the driver
I know this is a TV show but even in real life. I am so glad I don't hafe to wait on human courts. I can see all the sins of the soul. No one can hide from the darkness.
"Don't worry he slows down for deer." - Man, Briscoe always came in clutch on those one-liners.
I swear I watch these for the dry off humor lol
"don't worry he slows down for deer" like hearing someone describe my father drive
Excellent comment from Lennie.
Telegraph Drive; that street in Virginia gives me the creeps at night. Slow down for the deer all you want; by the time you see them it's already too late
Getting excited because in a few episodes we'll get to see Chadwick Boseman in one of his earliest roles. RIP Chad!
Good episode too
I was watching JUSTIFIED the other day and came across another early CB role
Who?
@@brentanllewellyn3898 black panther bro
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I mean I can’t fall the Medical examiner here. Her determination and actions seem pretty reasonable based on the situation, the information provided, what she said the state of the body was, and ultimately what the family of the deceased wanted
exactly,I hate how the ADa automatically tought she didn't do it because the man was homeless
@@brendanzhang7488 she lied about what caused damage to the car.
She was at fault. An Autopsy should have been done to determine the actual cause of death. Because she didn't the prosecution was flying blind with no evidence for their case.
The selfishness, and heartlessness to hear a person begging for help as they slowly bleed to death, whilst you sit there worrying about yourself and how it affects you... the mind boggles.
Sounds like what cops did in Las Vegas and Parkland....
A microcosm of today's generation
and getting away with it too...don't forget
Woman runs down man, man dies, woman most affected.😂
Honestly, no. It sounds like a very human reaction. It’s fear. Some people, unfortunately, don’t work well under pressure, and will need to step away from situations like that in order to try and calm down and process. It sucks that she just sat there trying to figure out what to do next, but at the same time, I could see a bunch of people in the same situation having similar reactions. It doesn’t necessarily make them selfish or heartless, it makes them scared because they’ve been apart of a car accident, and there’s someone dying in their windshield, and it all happened at dark just when they were at their most vulnerable, while pulling into their garage at home. It’s a scary series of events, and that reaction, while sad and extremely unfortunate, is understandable.
This is actually based on a case where a person hit a pedestrian with a car and simply abandoned the car instead of getting medical help. The state charged the driver with homicide for hitting the pedestrian and not getting him life-saving medical attention. At trial the defense attorney was able to prove that there was no negligence or recklesness in hitting the pedestrian, forcing the state to rely on on the failure to obtain medical care as the primary criminal act. However the defense attorney then introduced evidence stating that the pedestrian had been instantly killed by the car accident, and thus no medical care would have saved him, and thus the driver's failure to obtain medical care was not a crime because the medical care would not have saved the pedestrian. It was a brilliant defense.
Justice in America. Land of serfs and home of the damned
Do you know what the name of the case was?
@@John-ir4id The lawyer did right by their client. Just because someone is guilty of one thing doesn't mean they are guilty of another. The prosecutor was stupid. I wouldn't call the defense brilliant but astute.
No. The case is based on the murder of Gregory Glenn Biggs. He was a homeless man. A woman, believed to be intoxicated, hit him then drove home to her garage with him stuck in the windshield. She left him dying there for 2 days. She was successfully convicted.
I remember both this episode and the actual case.
Okay... the car didn't kill him. So, no mansalughter. Just reckless endangerment, leaving the scene of an accident... and oh yeah. Kidnapping.
Yes.
You forgot hit and run
@@Jodacro-it4zz ... if it a Hit & Run if you take the person with you though? XD
@@KojinMacJorntechnically yes, because the run in hit and run refers to leaving the scene of the accident.
@@KojinMacJornWe can compromise. Hit and Carry?
Seems like she was more concerned about the car than the man.
Ya think?
She was more concerned with "What does this mean for me?" than trying to save the life of someone who she, at the time, believed was responsible for putting in mortal danger.
Then she was more concerned with her lawyer's 1 in 1,000,000 attempt at proving something else killed them, rather than respecting the family's wishes of avoiding an autopsy.
I remember reading about the real case this was based on, only the driver was a nurse and the victim lived for quite some time.
what year did this happen?
@@Icecube88 2001. Here's the link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gregory_Glenn_Biggs
He was stuck in her windscreen.
Yeah the real story was a homeless guy was hit by a lady DWI and he was stuck in her windshield and she let him die over night. It was near FT Worth in 2001.
I think CSI did an episode based on this as well.
Honestly the lady would have looked a lot more innocent if she called the ambulance. Even if the guy wasn't drunk unless she was drunk or distracted it would have just been an accident.
Worst she was looking at was probation, even McCoy wasn't looking at a big sentence. But she was too worried about her image, which is obvious what her lawyer was defending by painting the victim as the incompetent one. He got lucky with the results.
@@samsonguy10k Not lucky, skilled he saw the data and took advantage.
Calling her a "lady" is inaccurate.
Calling her a "monster" is an insult to actual monsters.
If I remember, I think she says she was a bit drunk
Even if she didn't kill him, she still hit him with her car, then neglected him as she hear him calling for help while in severe pain and gradually bleeding to death. Then she took off and lied to the police about it when they first questioned her. She can still be put in jail for more than 5 years if found guilty.
She ended up getting community service and a fine for what she did
Many times the pedestrians are the criminally negligent ones stepping out in front of moving vehicles! Physically when vechile vs person happens the vehicle wins everytime.
@James Poledna You are correct and this case seems to track with your statement.
That said if her side of the story is true she most likely wouldn't have been found guilty of anything if she had stopped and called it in.
I've nearly wiped out a handful of drunk women on separate occasions that stumbled over into my lane as I was about to pass them. Thankfully I'm quick to respond and swerved to avoid them and had 1-2 passengers as witnesses everytime that happened.
Thank you. I was going to say that. Fact of the matter is that narcissistic woman knew she struck this man, and heard him cry for help. She didn't bother calling for an ambulance or anything. So what that he was dying anyway? How does that affect her guilt?
She was in shock and was probably hearing voices. You have no kindness sympathy or compassion in your heart. Rashe @gsrj
I loved jerry ohrbach he was a great actor. I loved his one liners on law & order. Shame he died in 2014
2004
Gosh I remember this episode vividly from when it was on TV and I was younger - like 12. Stood out to me then and I’ve always remembered how heartless the defendant seemed, letting the guy moan and wail in her garage instead calling for help...
Same
how does the episode end?
This one’s based on a real event, too
@@manishrawat123 Main point of the episode isn't the lady.
What happens with her is that the lawyer she has gets her probation for lesser charges because she's a first time offender. McCoy and his team then go to search for the person who beat the dead guy which leads to a narrative on homelessness.
@@Sneedmire k thanks for the info. Did the lady gets charged later when they find out she killed him?
That defense lawyer kinda crushed it though.
He got lucky. His whole intention was to save her image and paint the victim in an ill light. Unless he lives a serious double life as a medical doctor with no sleep whatsoever, no way he would figure that being the result. He was banking on the victim at least turning out to be deadass drunk based on what she would have told him.
@@samsonguy10k Or due diligence turning up results. That's literally what due diligence is - checking everything so that you catch these opportunities.
CSI did a twist on this same premise...
In that one, the victim was a jumper, landed through someone’s windshield. Driver went home and let him die. Ironically, he would’ve gotten off if he’d called for help, because the guy was suicidal.
it was based on a true incident
"Anatomy of a Lye", aired May 2, 2002
Well, here’s a fun story. Suicidal man living on the 5th floor of an apartment building sat with his back to the window, and a shotgun pointed at his head. As he tried to pull the trigger with his toes, he flinched and the slug missed his head by inches. At that very instant, a man who had just jumped to his death passed by the window and was struck by the slug. It killed him instantly. The cops charged the man who fired the shotgun with manslaughter, but the DA dropped the charges because both men were suicidal and there was no reasonable suspicion to believe there would be anyone outside a 5th story window when the guy fired the gun. I used to have the article saved (it was a in a newspaper), but I can’t find it anymore.
@@GhostDrummer That'd still be negligent homicide, no different than if you fired up into the air and the bullet happened to come down and kill someone. You shoot a bullet, it will eventually land.
@@obliviouzsuicide isn't illegal
Depraved indifference murder. Hit him, heard him, ignored him. Also, so much for her "image" after this.
Lawyer is just trying to duck a life sentence for his client, if she gets a total walk for abandoning someone to die then there really is no justice
Also improper disposal of a corpse (dumping the body), obstruction of justice (lying to police in an interview), and destruction of evidence (repairing the car used in a hit-and-run). There might be a case for illegal imprisonment because she locked the dying man in a cold garage with no way out.
The Hit & Run is Manslaughter (Murder 2). She was responsible for an unintentional death but she fled the scene of the crime. Depraved Indifference is Murder 3; her lawyer should plea down to the lesser charge. The private autopsy might be a bargaining chip because the State did not do due diligence and do a thorough autopsy itself.
The person or people who beat the victim should be tried for Murder 1, as they planned to beat him and knew death was a potential outcome. The State would never have found the new avenue of investigation without the autopsy.
She gets probation.
Depraved heart murder is the term, but it requires the defendant to have actually killed someone. Here the defendant didn't inflict a fatal injury, so no homicide charge would be appropriate.
the original law and order really need to come onto other streaming platforms
Where do you watch it ?
It's available, depending on where you live. There's several seasons currently on the Sundance channel.
If you’re in Australia it’s on Amazon Prime not sure about other countries
I love when the suspects actually get a competent defense attorney. The guy was right from the start. Just shut up and stop talking. Talking to the police, especially when your lawyer isn't present, never helps anyone who is a murder suspect.
Lennie is irreplaceable 😎
For a minute there I thought you meant me☺️☺️💃💃💃💃
Demonstrated by the guy who replaced him, and he didn't last long, thank God
Ah, don’t disrespect Dennis Farina. He was an actual real life cop AND a genuinely great comic actor
@@madunwagbo4769 Totally agree. I think that Lennie fans weren't gonna give him a chance. But if you rewatch Seasons 15 and 16, there were some of the best episodes of the franchise. He was just grittier and not as humorous as Lennie, but he was solid in his own right.
@Aaron Burgin
Totally agree. It would have been interesting to see how the Trial by Jury crossover of Season 15 would have played out if Jerry had still been alive to film it
RIP Jerry Orbach… He will always be LeMure to me…
Had a feeling this was based on a real life case. If anyone here watched Mr Ballen he covered a video based on a criminal case where a woman was driving drunk and rammed into a ped. Panicked and decided to drive home and leave the victim badly injured and mangled in her car. Then she and her friends dumped the body in a park
Another poor sap who would've been just fine if she'd just called the cop.
Well no, the point of the testimony is that he was a deadman anyways, even if she called an ambulance
@@nataliehill1472 She still committed a hit and run, lied about what happened, and tampered with evidence (among other things). All for nothing when calling the police wouldn't have gotten her in trouble.
@@sonrouge Rule 1: Never talk to the cops. What she did was smart - if the circumstances were even slightly different, and she wouldn't have known unless she was a lawyer which she wasn't, calling the cops could've copped her a negligent homicide conviction.
Just bc the car hit and run wasn't the actual cause of death doesn't negate the fact that she heard him calling for help and she left him for dead in her garage to me that's just as callous as running him over deliberately
It reflects poorly on her character, but her actual damage was minimal. And in law, damages are the meat and potato of punishment.
Daily dose of jack McCoy 😌 please keep this channel purely mothership clips, Svu already has their own channel!
I agree. I don't watch the SVU clips they post. Not to mention they won't touch the *"Criminal Intent"* series. Now that show I would watch. "CI" was my favorite from all the L&O series'...
@@Deborahtunes ok, so true! I wonder why they skipped over the Jamie ross and Abbie Carmichael days, too. Those were in my opinion better than Serena days. And I wouldn’t mind CI clips as well!
@@potatogirl1340 ~ Agreed. I loved when Angie Harmon (Carmichael) was on the show. Her and Jack worked so well together. But I enjoy anything she does...
Spoiler:
Lady ends up getting minor charges (or however "minor" involuntary manslaughter is), and then probation due to the severity of what she does plead guilty to and the fact that she's a first time offender. Her case isn't actually the main focus of the episode, because afterward, the team look into the beating and find that it was another homeless person who was responsible.
Episode's narrative is about homelessness and our societal view on them. Guy who did it gets a "guilty", with McCoy remarking (though not in a positive manner) that he'll have shelter, food... but has been sent to another "jungle" in terms of people vs people survival.
My area had this happen. A nurse hit a pedestrian and let him die in her garage while he bled to death.
@@benjie128 is there a news article for that, it sounds very interesting
@@benjie128 that's the basis for the episode. Facts are changed but the initial incident is the inspiration. They do it frequently on L&O
@@godoffriendship943 Murder_of_Gregory_Glenn_Biggs - see an article on wikipedia
I love law and order
Me too!!!:)
Brilliantly written, expertly acted
I miss Lenny's quips
Indeed
I don't remember the episode, but Briscoe makes a smart remark and Green tells the person they're talking to, "I get to spend all day with him."
That's what I love about this show.
It's still leaving the scene of an accident, not usually a felony and probably wouldn't incur jail time, especially for a person of means. If the people can't prove that the defendant caused the death than that's pretty much it. She didn't kill him, somebody else did.
She brought the scene of the accident home with her....
She hit him, he was in her windshield, pulled into the garage while he was moaning for help, left him there, came back and found him dead. Thats not leaving an accident, thats at least indifferent manslaughter
He'd have died ab y way
Sounds about WHITE
The car didn't kill him. OK, she's still guilty of reckless driving, assault with a deadly weapon, and depraved indifference. Now let's go find the actual murderer.
I loved how they took real news stories and used them
Yes cause real life can be stranger then fiction
Based on an actual event. This is sicker than sick.
The guy at 4:30 is that Dr Connors from the Toby Spider-Man movies
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed that
Yes
Yeah, his name is Dylan Baker, he's been in loads of stuff
Dylan Baker, yes. He also plays a father who injected his son with a deadly virus in an earlier Law and Order Episode entitled "Flight." One of my favorite roles of his was Road To Perdition, where he played the mob accountant Mr. Rance.
I have to double check, but he's missing an SVU appearance. Can't be in the trifecta without it.
Interesting that the judge has a framed portrait of Nathaniel Hawthorne in her office (4:57)
She may have beaten the murder charge but she’d still have been charged for fleeing the scene, she admitted to that.
Leaving the scene of an accident is probation, at most.
I’m an absolute sucker for Aston Martins, especially the Vanquish. FYI Pentland Green is an official Aston color, a beautiful one I might add 😛
Didn’t want to waste the cities time and money with autopsy but wasted the cities time and money with the trial. That makes sense
How I see it,she know he needed help after hitting him with her car and she just left him there,she also believed that he got injured and later died from his run in with her and she hid the facts and lied about it, in my opinion she also contributed to his death.
The problem was that he was already a dead man walking apparently. Even if she called an ambulance & he was raced to the hospital he would have died due to the hours or days of bleeding in his brain from the beating. Basically she got lucky that they couldn’t pin his death on her. Of course that doesn’t mean there aren’t other charges that can be pinned on her.
She hits someone with her car, worries about what it's going to mean for her and her life while the person bleeds out, crying for help, and then covers up the crime.
THEN, after getting caught, she lets her lawyer violate the victim even further by dissecting him like a lab-rat on the 1 in a million chance something else can be blamed for his death apart form the incredibly obvious. A complete sociopath with no regard for the victim or his family.
"The Fall did not Kill Him."........
"It was the Sudden Stop."
A subdural hematoma DOES NOT bleed INTO THE BRAIN. Omg!
Most all episodes the killer is not a career criminal but when they are questioned early on they lie so convincingly to the cops. They are calm and even joking about their cars after killing someone. They never killed anyone before but they are so cool. I think I'd have trouble lying after I killed someone. This does not apply the the career criminals in some episodes
Chollomollo. EVERY episode was based on a true story!!
I am still boggle by how she even got off with such a light sentance, she pretty much had a hand in killing the dude, with her car along with the fact she did not even bother to get medical help and just left him to die while he called for help.
If you actually managed to understand the video even a little bit, you would've noticed that it was precisely the opposite - she did not have any part of causing his death.
@@obliviouz except she tried to cover it up
@@obliviouzshe did do a hit and run, and lie to the police, those have got to be illegal and probably felonies.
This is the episode where another homeless man beat him over the head for an orange, right?
Mhm. Same one.
As a Brit it is nice to hear people in other countries talking about an Aston with such deference!
Lenny’s lines were clever
i would have loved to have seen a crossover between this show and NCIS another favorite of mine
Briscoe and Gibbs working a case...thanks for planting that seed in my imagination.
That lady obviously never took driver's ed
They should listen to this guy, he knows his biology. If only Peter Parker had attended more of his classes, he could have warned them about this guy.
Couldn't she still be convicted of something? She didn't know that the man was already dying. In her mind, she had to cover up a killing she did.
I mean, if I shoot someone with the intent of killing them, but they were already dead. However, I didn't know they were dead. Am I guilty of attempted murder?
Well, maybe. Like the hypothetical case of someone jumping off the roof of a building and someone shooting and killing him on the way down. I think that would still be murder.
Yes. She still committed a hit and run, didn't report the crime, lied to the police, etc.
Intent follows the bullet.
Attempted murder requires intent. You can't have attempted negligent homicide - "attempted" and "negligent" are mutually exclusive.
See things like this is why people see lawyers as scumbags, obviously it's not a documentary but how many legal documentaries have you watched recently
If there was ever a reason to not talk to the police.
If the beating killed him, how could he possibly walk into the road and get hit by a car?
It was a brain bleed caused by the beating that would've eventually killed him. He was still lucid enough afterwards to stumble out into the street.
Sounds like how Ronald Von Thun died in South Brunswick, he was drunk riding his bike home and a Honda ran him over and kept going, left him for dead.
So the judge allowed the deffece to desecration the victim.
I remember a real life case where a man was convicted of murdering his wife by beating her to death based on the bruises on her body. But a second autopsy was later done and it was revealed that she died from a heart condition (if I remember correctly) that can produce similiar symptoms like the bruises on her body and he was acquitted.
The hit and run ..sounds very familiar ! Almost like when a white van sneaks in between the curb and the bus you are on in downtown Hartford, CT and if you did not look prior to walking off of the bus, you would have been hit ! This was done with intent, and happened literally less than 2 months ago. This seems to be a common, yet intermittent occurrance in AZ, VA, CT !
That car is in die another day
"Thanks for the ride lady. Thanks for the ride."
4:08 exactly my reaction, how monstrous, she could have saved him, instead she worries about how she's going to cover this up whilst hearing the dying man plead for help....!
She makes more in an hour than a lot of folks do in half a year being an image consultant for monied people. She was worried about her image and less about someone's life. That kind of callous indifference the world can do with a whole lot less of.
The car didn't kill him but she still HIT him? Doesn't the woman have a Duty of Care in that instance?
The car did not kill him.
Serena really pissed me off in the scene with Rodgers. She had no reason to think Rodgers was belittling him being homeless.
Lots of Spider-Man actors in this show
Dr. Connors from Spider🕷️Man 2
🥺 they should bring this show back
They did.
I can’t believe The Butcher used to be a lawyer.
😂😂😂😂
The lawyer was arrested for his own murder in S8.
*Opens garage*
"Oh that's convenient"
*Goes right in*
Lmfaooo I love L&O so much
Why doesn’t peacock have the rights to ALL episodes of law and order.
It cost to much to get the rights to the entire season.
If it was an accident then why not get help?
“The car didn’t kill him” ... until proven guilty; not guilty. Human law of natural justice ☝️
She get's probation because the car indeed didn't kill him, but she did commit other crimes in handling the situation.
There was nothing she could have done, because he was "already" dead.
That car got lucky this time, but he'll slip up again and when he does we'll be there to put the boot on him.
in nyc, who in their right mind would have a quarter of a million dollar car that you cant park or drive anywhere in the city?
In nyc, who's in their right mind?
we're the only certified aston martin bodyshop in the entire northeast.....
came out from a shady looking cheap building
At 1:35 you can see the Filming crew in the car reflection
Amazing catch. Not Starbucks cup in GoT, but noteworthy.
Her lawyer hits different if you've seen Happiness
He plays a really good/bad character in The Good Wife and in The Good Fight.
Aston Martin... absolutely marvellous cars
Just realized that the Judge is the same Criminal grandma, Donna Rosa (The one who makes meat products) in SVU lmao
So what happened to the hit and run lady?
Wow!! That garage would cost as much as that Ashton Martin or more!!!!!
The lawyer actually played a CDC doctor on House as well. He was dealing with smallpox epidemic.
He's been a law and order villain a few times too
@@marksmith3947 Interesting
If I remember correctly, she beat him to death in order to make it look like the accident killed him.
However, I haven't seen this episode in a long time.
This reminds me the game, La noria in the case marriage in heaven when the victim walking in front of the car and hit him victim was already dead before the car hit him well his wife and business partner stab them with a knife and push him in front of the car to make it look like I accident
why the hell didn’t she call the police??????????
Another homeless man didn't share an orange with him, and he gets 12 years; however, you paint the woman who had him on his HOOD as a victim
LMAO really? Good ole NYC 🙄🤣😂🤣
Yeah... but she still hit him and didn't call for help. There's a good chance that the crash rushed his death. Like, he could've lived a bit longer if she didn't hit him. In fact, could it be that the injuries that were found in the back of the head were caused by the crash and not someone beating him? Either way, accomplice or just mercy killing (If you can call it that), should be charged, no?
I miss Lenny Briscoe.
I hate how wrong they get things, and how many laws they violate trying to get someone. I know its tv but do a better job. Rolls royce does any color custom matching - not aston. They also handed him a VW/Audi fob, blood in rear?
Law and order why you not streaming in india.
The hit and run did kill him. Because otherwise he wouldn't have died from getting beaten up though tbh.
So they will have to drop homicide. But they can get her on obstruction and desecration of human remains. She fixed her car to cover up the accident and dumped the body. They can probably get 2-5 years in prison for this awful person.
Astin Martin ?! Oh goodness!!
The camera makes me dizzy....lol
Regardless of if the car did not kill the man she still hit and ran which in most if not all of the states is still an assault with a vehicle so she should still be charged with a crime it's just the crime wouldn't be murder it would have been a form of assault, the charges would change but it being a crime does not. Now they have to find the people who beat the man so bad that he had brain drama.
It shame ☹️ we can't see TV series in lreland
RIP jerry orbrach
I hate car cities but people, especially drunks and bums, breaking the law and heading out into the street and getting hit should never be blamed on the driver
I know this is a TV show but even in real life. I am so glad I don't hafe to wait on human courts.
I can see all the sins of the soul. No one can hide from the darkness.
lol
1:47 “West 53rd Street”
2:03 “GREENWICH VILLAGE GARAGE”
What didn't he object at "probably already sick and drunk" - isn't that speculation?