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Transmissions: Manual is old-school 4x4 religion, but autoshifters have come a LONG way from the old three speed slushboxes. Autos are generally easier for less experienced drivers and are often preferred for heavy rockcrawlers because you don’t have to fuss with the three-pedal heel-toe tango.
Really: it doesn’t matter: run what you brung and bring what you got; have fun, stay on the trails, keep your fingers inside the rollbar, pack it in: pack it out, even if it’s not your mess.
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You don't need three pedals if you have a hand throttle, like my car does.
Also, heel - toe and handbrakes can be used.
I've driven new automatics that are honestly worse then some old autos with half the gears.
They have their place, but heavy duty off road driving isn't one of them.
It's not the automatic clutch and shifting, it's the lack of direct connection to the engine.
Pretty much agree! Atomatics are easier, but also easier to overheat! I have seen a couple of people ruin their trannys by overheating them
Of course, I have also seen people burn their clutches up too!
Me, I am old school! Although my cherokee is an automatic, my two jeeps are manuals, as is my 4x4 pickup.
I just enjoy driving manuals.
Obviously both types have their place, but it's much easier to learn off-road driving in an automatic unless you are already very proficient with a manual - and know how to properly use the clutch without burning it. I grew up with manuals, and love them for their extremely rugged nature and ability to help out even when the engine is not running. But, I also enjoy my built ZJ with an automatic that is more relaxing - and my wife isn't intimidated by it.
@@michaeldye4318 I'd actually disagree. The direct connection let's you "feel" wheel spin as well as use engine braking down hills.
Nobody should be learning to drive off road unless they are already proficient with driving on road.
If you can't drive a manual on road, you shouldn't be learning a manual AND off road driving at the same time.
@michaeldye4318
I agree that learning how to off road and simultaneously trying to learn how to operate a clutch would be rather difficult to say the least!
I grew up with various vehicles with manual transmission. Trying to teach an adult how to drive a stick shift when all they have ever driven before is a automatic, is a lesson in frustration for both!
Still, I wouldn't trade my manual tranny jeeps or pickups up for anything.
It's fine. It's fine. Everything's fine.
I’m 3 minutes into the video and already thinking about the men a generation older with their antique cars! 😂
Looks like you all had a great time. Thanks for taking us along for the adventure. The scenery was gorgeous. Glad you didn't get hurt when you fell through and that was a cool shot with the 360 afterwards.
Front lockers would be nice so you really have 4 wheel drive. Looks like a fun outing. Your setup for airing backup is awesome.
Lockers suck in the snow
@@TK-cl1jm lockers are great for getting unstuck what are you talking about?
@Z B Depends on the situation, certainly, but as soon as you have to turn with lockers are engaged, you break any traction you had. Soft snow and power, sure, lock 'em up.
Trying to navigate a tight twisty uphill? Not so handy.
I had a jeep with ARB locker up front for years in CO, UT, and VT. I only know what my experience has been.
Good times! That looked like it was a hell of a lot of FUN!! 👍👍 Personally I prefer an automatic over a standard shift. I hope that Grumpy is doing good , we miss you a lot Grumpy! Thanks for taking us along Casey!👀
He’s back in Saturday’s video!
@@CaseyLaDelle Awesome! 👍 I am looking forward to that. Thank you Casey!
Love the rebutting of the new snatch ring. Way to go boy
Yes that is nice to see you drive so good on snow!
In reference to the model T episode, yes that was way cool. I never would thought that it would happen but you found it and shared it.
Nice scenery for a trail ride, it's warm and dry in Tennessee.
It really only depends on the nut behind the wheel.
The kids are more excited to watch you than cartoons!!!! You are awesome!! Thanks for all the great videos!
Oh how I miss my 4x4 ! Haven't had it since, . . . ummm, . . . . it's just been faaaaaaar too long. Thanks for taking me on a Freaking Fantabulous ride right form the seat in my living room!
Good friends, summer snow and shenanigans 😂🎉🎉🎉 Love it! Stay safe!❤️🙏
That was an awesome looking day! I can't wait to come back down again! I've had to put my next round of upgrades at TVO on hold due to personal issues. I was SO HAPPY to see Potato in the vehicle with Jeremy!! What a great pup!
Im supprised your not into snowmobiling, I watched you help recover those 2 sleds but for the most part we dont need to dig out very depending on the snow conditions. We absolutely love taking our families & in larger groups. Our children have found a whole new respect for all we did for them when they were small. My Daughter gave me a huge Hug telling me how she never realized how much harder it is ridding with a child in front of you! Ahhhh that made my whole weekend 😅 knowing all the miles we logged together from a year old till she was in her teens & able to keep up. I use to strap her to me like a big seatbelt so that she could never hit the bars & for years I could stand up & jump around with ease. Taught my wife to water ski with my arms under hers & my skis outdside... like training wheels... I would lift her up & when she got her balance & would let go of the rope. Where there is a will & everyone was enjoying themselves, we figured out ways for the whole family to be envolved. You should do some overviews again of each rig, how its setup & why, weight & primary usage. Love the family & friends outings! Those who play together stay together.
Wow, fantastic scenery. What a fabulous day out. Well, you definitely found snow. Great video. Thanks for sharing. 👍
II think an automatic is better off road IF it has full manual control of what gear you want. No automatic upshifts or downshifts which often cause loss of traction.
The intro was great, thought it was a piece of logging machinery lol
That looked like SUCH FUN! All y'all and all y'all's dogs. Who had more fun? The people or the dogs? I bet the dogs would say they did.
I was driving a Saturn LW200 with a manual transmission through the December 26, 2010 baaad snowstorm in the northeast (rt 84, 87, 287) and I'll swear that manual transmission saved our butts; kept us from ending up in the ditch as so many other cars did. It was scary. I left space between us and the car ahead so I could maneuver if I needed to, stop at my own pace if I need to, BUT a lot of drivers pulled their cars into my "safe space". I didn't get mad, a little annoyed, maybe, just allowed the space to open up between us again. I watched them fishtail, one fishtailed right into a 180 that left him in the other lane. I tiptoed around him and kept going.
My knees are not so good these days, so our current ride has an automatic transmission. It is nice.
on my 5th Jeep. From 1984 to 2013. All 2D's. Wheeled both thru the years. Now I'm old. Knees hurt. Auto all day long for me. If you do heavy wheeling make sure you have a trans cooler. I boiled auto my over one day. After a rebuild and added trans cooler. No more issues.
The best part of exploring as a group is having your buddies there to get you out when you find out just how far you can go.
It’s fine, Everything is fine. Looks like a fun ride .
A well put together auto trans can be incredible, and honestly enhances an already capable vehicle with a capable driver. With that said, nothing more fun than tackling a difficult trail and getting to shift.
Nice to see you or having fun relaxing not working
Now. ?????? Once I get my smell out of garage and back on the road. Will you go wheeling again???
I don't own an Off Road Vehicle, I was always told and what I can tell. Automatic is the way to go. it's that little bit of hesitation from taking foot off break and gas and clutch can be an issue. I drive a manual and If I were to get a off road I think I would go auto.
That camera is pretty sick! Loved the culvert shot. The "drone" view against the bright snow looked like your Jeep was just shopped into a snow scene. Great video!
Trac Jeep would have had a blast up there ! ! ! ! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
That was an awesome camera angle down under the snow. Nice wheelin
I love this - you had so much FUN! Thanks for bringing us along. ❤
If you get a flathead, bring along extra water pumps and a carb. Used to know a guy who always carried some with him in a box.
Good seeing the TJ back in action!
What is really cool abut your camera is also a little weird. It doesn't show the rod holding it, but it does still show the shadow of the rod. Cool!!
Good to see you are out having fun 🎉🎉 😂😂
I joined a Jeep Club a couple of years ago- I bought a 2008 JKU (used) 6 speed manual - I just couldn't drive it off road! I traded it in for a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser - automatic - I love it! It only has 35s on it! It is hard to shift gears when you are off roading! I kept stalling out!
The view from under the snow was SUPER COOL! And that whole video looked like a lot of fun to make.
Great video! Thanks for taking us along for the ride, we know it's a lot of work filming your adventure instead of just enjoying the day freely but you are letting a lot of us live vicariously through your lens. As far as manual v automatic, it's just preference. I'll take a manual all day every day no matter what I'm driving but the automatic does make some of the slower strategic driving a little easier when it comes to the footwork and wear and tear on the clutch material. Still, stick is better! There! I said it! ha ha ha
Yes, I prefer manual as well. I once drove a truck with a five gear main and a thirteen speed auxiliary. That was fun. Fifty two gears to choose from.
Looked like a great day of fun! Thanks for all the great content!
that was a fun trip. I agree the old cars in the mud was absolutely amazing. that rescue will be hard to top. those old guys were fun.
for that type of sticky snow manual with a Tcase doubler or something. you can usually crawl across the top while compressing the snow.
That's where I'd be if I didn't mess up the Jeep! The snow is always drifty right there at the end of the season haha.
Thanks again for pulling the zj home for me. I got all of the water out of the cylinders, but I stripped out the starter in the process. Crossing my fingers I can get it running again with a new starter! The engine is spinning freely, so that's rad
It's crazy how much snow there is up there this year!
I have seen it in action. But this is not my first time. But you are correct sir! A few months back you said Off-Roaders usually drive with friends and their friends get them out of trouble. It does boggle my mind at times when people go off-roading but they try it in a solo effort. I would say that is not wise. People in Bend Oregon area do have an out: Casey Ladelle!
Trips just like this is what I had in mind when I moved to central Oregon years ago! Awesome times with good friends, great video man! Hoping this year I'll get my wheelers and the track truck ready for fun and adventure, until then I'll have to live vicariously through your adventures 😂 so thanks for scratching that itch for me lol
Something about grabin gears in mud/snow/sand never gets old.
Fun was had by all! I enjoy your videos so much. The terrain in Matt's part of the country (Utah) is incredible, and I love the rock crawling but you're in beautiful Oregon and I love the log crawling. I live in Junction City, Oregon. Thanks for sharing your terrain with us.
I learned to drive with a manual, and drove manual Jeeps for over 20 years, but will never ever go back. The 8 speed auto is one of the best things about my Jeep Gladiator!
my experience/opinion is:
the benefit of automatic is it can up or down shift under power. good for turbos or climbing sand dunes where a manual upshift will cause momentum loss. manuals are good for precise control like rock crawling or towing and are more fun to drive.
It dose not matter if it's auto or manual as long as you are comfortable and out enjoying it and having fun
and thats a fact
Ask your knees that question in 10yrs with manual.
I've been driving manuals WAY longer than 10 years, likely with more gears then you've ever driven, with a clutch so heavy that a child could stand on it without it moving.
My knees are fine.
@@35manning some people just don’t have a clue all I drive is manual transmission I learned on a 3 on the tree
@@jasondenson3356 I bet half the people here won't have a clue what a three on the tree is, I've driven four on the tree, along with Spicer and Road Rangers, I actually prefer Spicers over Road Rangers.
That was fun! I'm glad you guys could enjoy that. Thanks for the video.
Manual/analog every thing!
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Are gerrett 15 skidder has the same engine as a ford 9, 8 or 2N tractor.
But with 13.6-28 r1 tires, it just keeps going.
Plus it has a kick butt winch and full on push blade, lol.
Fun video! I prefer a manual for my own use, mostly just for the driving experience, but I do feel that in many situations an automatic is better.
Great friends, great beautiful places to go play with friends!
I prefer a manual transmission. But I've owned both and do own both today. The only time I owned an automatic in a 4WD was following surgery, I couldn't physically work a clutch for a while. So I had a Toyota Tercel SR5 wagon with push-button AWD. Actually needed it too in mountains and snow!
I operate a manual transmissions and have only once got into trouble, My mate runs an auto and his had the same amount of trouble over 32 years of offroad operations. So my thoughts is : Each to Each Owns Choice, But I do have to admit auto transmissions have come a long way from their earlier times over the years...
Living is Southern California, I think I've purchased my last manual daily driver. Stop and go traffic is just too much of a headache. Maybe if I move somewhere more remote, I can come back to it.
BTW in the artic oilfields during winter you do not air down and we never did in Northern Michigan either.
Well this doesn’t look like an Arctic oilfield or northern Michigan so I don’t get what your point is…
Manual of course!!! 😊
Spring wheeling is always a great time.
Manual or Auto.... depends on the driver and their ability and the conditions. Each have distinct benefits and very big disadvantages...
nice audio work @4:30, thank you!
100%… anyone who says an auto is better off road has either never driven an manual off road, or sucks at driving manual in general… I love my manual Xterra Pro-4X on the trails. If I’m in front, I can keep it in 2nd gear low and left off the brake and gas and just let it do it’s thing. Rarely shifting or tapping the brake. It’s fully armored and is still very comfortable on the Highway with 33” tires and a 2” lift.
your ring showing was good but where is the snap bag !!! casie I am amazed you messed up !!!
Pulling serious loads with my Tacoma, I am happy with my 5 spd manual. My Excursion has no option, so I live with an automatic and run a good transmission cooler to prevent damage.
Hey Casey any idea what the name of this snow covered road is?
I have been 4wd'ing in Australia for more than 30 years - not a lot of snow and no experience like you guys enjoy in Moab. I have always driven Landcruisers and for many years preferred manuals. However I now have a 200 series Landcruiser automatic and enjoy the auto. However I still put it into manual mode when in the high country of Oz and in sand. I must admit that I prefer relying on old school skills than the modern dial up different traction settings. I also use a rear wheel diff locker when pushing up very steep slopes
Nice to see you having fun
My first car was a VW. I went everywhere with it, on road and off road. I even made it all the way in on 4wd trails. People often asked me how I got in there without 4wd.
But my dad always had auto trans in his vehicles by the time I came along. He never was interested in 4wd, He went where ever he wanted to go with the family car w/auto trans. Not that he was always on 4wd trails. But his dad had a Jeep. They got in an argument once. My grandfather had 80acres he lived on. The driveway to the county road was dirt and steep. My dad told granddad that he would not be able to stop his Jeep on the steep driveway, and then start up again without spinning his wheels. Granddad tried but spun his wheels trying to start up on the steep driveway. Dad then drove the family car to the same spot on the driveway. Stopped, and then started up without spinning his wheels.
I used to have a 84 Chevy S10. 2wd with a V6 and 4spd auto tranny. I could go most anywhere I wanted without spinning my wheels. There are lots of trails in this part of California marked 4wd on maps. I've driven most of them and never spun a wheel. I have never seen anything requiring 4wd on any of those trails. But within the last ten years or so, 4x4s, jeeps, quads, Side by Sides, and motorcycles have torn up all of those trails, to the point you almost need 4wd to get through it all. They don't know how to drive. They think the throttle is the answer to every problem they see. Yet I still can get through all those torn up trails with 2wd and an auto tranny - without spinning a wheel.
Five years ago I bought an 85 Jeep Cherokee, with a 4spd auto tranny. I still drive most places in 2wd without spinning my wheels.
Someone else commented here that they need 4wd and a four speed to know when the wheels were spinning. I'm telling you - you don't need your wheels spinning. Everyone I see stuck, is down to the frame at all four wheels. That is what you get with 4wd and spinning your wheels. That is why 4wheelers are often blocked off from where they want to go. They tear things up as if they don't care about the roads, trails or anyone else. Learn how to drive without spinning your wheels.
Some 4wheelers are so lame, they think they need 4wd to go everywhere that isn't paved.
You'll never know where I've been. I don't leave a trail of hub deep ruts.
That was super fun. Whose big dogs were following you ?
of course that 360 camera has all sorts of software in it to get rid of the actual selfie stick, but not the shadow of itself on the Jeep
360 culvert cam was epic!
Fun times with friends good times
Nice fun. I like the FJ. Probably because I have one... also Quicksand 😆
Right on Casey! Appreciate the humor and making it fun! Nice air setup and I’m all about the amount of control that comes with manual transmission. Very curious where this was… thought it was 370 road but I don’t think three Creeks is open yet.. thanks for sharing! Cheers!!
Good stuff!
Another one of your, "the best videos I've seen". That looked like so much fun. Wish I was there with you.
Excited for this one!!!
Casey what about that strech of river bank in NE Portland. It needs a cleanup army.😮😮
That Dyneema rope is slicker than Teflon, so it is even less likely to have a problem with friction heat. Nylon might not fare as well, and it stretches. Dyneema is also very tricky to tie knots in because of its slipperiness.
I went up last week toward paulina peak off 31 and that wet snow is thick! Gotta run that low pressure to float!
The shot from the 360cam down the culvert was way cool.
Good times good friends
The argument between auto and manual depends on the snow. Light powdery and deep manual for sure, the slushy stuff you're in automatic all day.
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I think the river got hungry and ate the road...
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Looks like you have some pretty cool friends. Fun days
Fun outing with the Guys! 🤙😎
Who want to adult stuff or shenanigans in the summer snow ? Shenanigans it is.
Off road driving automatic or stick shift has to depend what you're most comfortable with. Me out in that white stuff I would choose stick. That's what I learned to drive as a teen in Driver's Ed
In the snow, to get that rocking action going, and speed forward before you go too far back like in 9:30 , you need a clutch. No question. But i prefer auto :)
that's a beautiful area, I could set up a camera and take thousands of photos of that run off. How do you think my Camry would do? XD
You asked about manual versus automatic. The only decent off-pavement vehicle I have actually owned was a 1999 TJ Wrangler with 4.0 liter and 5-speed manual, bought new. I loved that engine and transmission combo. Due to realities of life I only had it for 4 years, but it was amazing where I could go with it on street tires and open diffs. I'm hoping in the next couple years to buy a new Tacoma or Ranger and would strongly lean towards a manual Tacoma since they just announced they're continuing the manual with the 2024 redesign.
All I have to say is yes. Each works well for the person using them.
Automatic Casey! I have a '76 Landcruiser FJ40 with the original 2F inline 6, 4 sp manual and no power steering. My son and I completed the Rubicon Trail in that rig (also added ARB F/R air lockers and 33" KM3's. Was an epic adventure, but led me to add a '20 JLUR to my dual offroad fleet (37" KM3's and MetalCloak stuff) to get back through that epic trail with an AT (oh, and A/C). Can I just ask Toyota to get on board against Jeep JL's and Ford Bronco's. Bring back the legendary FJ40.
Nice Land Cruser
Transmissions: I have both. I have more fun with the manual but the automatic is better off-road. It’s the torque control and finesse the automatic gives you without burning up another clutch. I don’t know about everyone’s. The key is where the torque converter lockup and stall are at.
I think it doesn't matter if it's manual or automatic transmission. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. It's more the driver that makes the most difference.
That sugar snow is terrible. The only thing that works decently well is flotation. Thus tracks or huge tires.
You guys are the Living Definition of "Mistakes were made! Other's WILL be Blamed!!"
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Great fun, working as team playing safe.
I don't think you'll ever get better than the "Hudson"😅
Automatic: Great for rock crawling and keeping a slow crawl
Manual: Greater for everything else and wins the day.
I feel more connected to the trail driving a manual vs and auto. There's just something about it that makes it more fun and sometimes challenging. Driving an auto feels like I'm cheating. So manual it is while I'm still young.