I think he ditched all of his team members excluding his dipplin who he evolved into Hydrapple (assuming he did this by beating Drayton who has the tm needed to evolve him).
Everything was more competitively viable on his team. Really shows how tryhard he's become. He realized Politoed is way more effective than Poliwrath (rain setter with helping hand).
@@wills3210 this comment is so hilarious because in VGC is completely the other way around lmao. Grimmsnarl and Incineroar are top tier support mons that can work in every team and with an even more improved AI that switches and all this could have been a really tough fight. Ps. Just to be clear I'm not mocking your comment by saying that is hilarious, is just a consideration
@@_velvet_2744 yeah I was thinking the same thing!! I see him sending them out and get nervous but all in takes is a Moonblast from my Choice Scarf Iron Valiant and bam they’re gone.
@@bluefaygox23son? Drayton is like 16 to 18, and Drayden would be in like early 80s to 90s. I would say he is his grandson, and his adopted sister/cousin is Iris.
@@LycanMOONbecause Kieran was bullying kids earlier in the story and Drayton hated that, he needed Kieran to remember battling is fun. Type of shit that N would have frowned upon
It's amazing how his opening is a stab 100% accuracy hurricane to destroy Ogerpon with a Dragonite that resists 3/4 forms and has multiscale for the rock type one
Well now I wonder if the two have any special dialogue for you using any of the Lousy Three against them. I doubt it but the question only came to my mind after I beat Kieran.
My Darkrai and Kingambit had a fun time. Obviously as champion I'm obliged to use the occasional potion, but compared to some of the E4, I found Kingambit especially had very little trouble. When Kieran sent in the Incineroar for instance, I couldnt help but laugh, DEFIANT all the way.
@@baronsionis6855 I mean, you also get a Milotic from Crystal Pond, one of Incineroar's most common check (thanks to competitive) so you can just set up agility and sweep through most of Kieran's team, especially because he doesn't fare too good against water types. It's not about still being able to run counters through the AI teams, I posted this comment to praise about how GF went through all the way to establish that Kieran actually ‘studied’ and ‘practiced’ for the rematch. I also really appreciate the Porygon-Z which benefits further from screens of Grimmsnarl and Helping Hand of Politoed but I think Smeargle would be a fantastic addition too.
Kieran’s fights bring out such a unique set of emotions. The first few times I battled him, I didn’t feel much, maybe a bit confident? Bc of how much he admires the player. When we fought for who got to keep Ogerpon, I felt almost guilty(?) on the one hand, you know you’re meant to win, but on the other, it’s bittersweet, bc it’s easy to empathize with Kieran’s desire to be with Ogerpon. And in his Champion battle, after seeing him push himself to be stronger out of jealousy and to beat the player, it gave the feeling of, “I wish we could settle this another way, but if you ask for it, I’m not gonna hold back” Such a uniquely written character. Gotta love complexity in Pokemon
Honestly, had it not been for Terapagos turning on him, Kieran probably would’ve gone full villain. Carmine, Amarys, and Drayton had hoped us beating him would snap Kieran back to his sense, but once they saw how despondent Kieran was after we beat him, it looks like they even underestimated how far Kieran had gone.
We really just destroyed this man's sanity, Captured the thing he wanted most, and made him go through a villain arc. And when he became champion of his school, we pulled up to his crib just to run his pockets and take his title and reputation I even questioned if that are we the villains of this DLC?
No way man. Kieran is the villain of the Indigo Disc. He's a dick to his friends, he's a dick to other club members, he's a dick to his sister, and he tried to force a Pokémon to go with him instead of who the Pokémon had an interest in (the same way a child would steal a puppy bc they "wanted it more" than someone else). Not achieving your dream isn't a justification either. Kid needed to be taken down a few pegs.
Ehhhh not really I mean the part where Kieran almost got killed by Terapagos and him having to help battle against it was the thing that actually made him overcome the whole battle craze thing, to be honest I think Drayton made it worse considering Kieran was still going on about winning against the player.
@@supersonic2175 well it worked for a second (Drayton's words that made him realise its not all about winning) but then as soon as it registered in his head that by getting Terapogos, he can beat anyone
@@Minymonkey Yeah true, I was also gonna say that like, Drayton calling Kieran “ex-champion” was like the first steps to his getting out of his whole battle craze, like one single thing wouldn’t take him out of it, it had to be a step by step thing an Drayton saying that to him was one of those steps
I gotta say, the spanish subs, drayton roast kieran even harder, he said: "You got no luck champion, or should i Say, EX Champion?" Like damm, that is truly fucked up
Okay nah! This is definitely the Scariest Champion yet. The guitar parts in the music gave me goosebumps. That music is the definition of you are F___ED! I’m not even kidding. 1000/10
I couldn’t agree more. I was genuinely impressed Kieran managed to KO some of my team members. My child has grown up! Mind you, my Pokémon were Hyper Trained to the max… which makes it more impressive.
I legit thought all his Pokemon were gonna be over level 90 after seeing how strong he got last time. Did anyone else think so too? Cause his strongest one was a level 76 Gliscor at the time.
@@SabeNo-rh7mb I was hoping too but realized that DLC 1 is actually supposed to be played during the main game (chronologically speaking) so you should be aroung lvl70~75 when starting DLC2.
I just realized something Kieran used Poliwrath in the Teal Mask now he uses a Politoed here in the Indigo Disk he actually used Poliwhirl's split evolution
I was so excited for the DLC just for Kieran, and my god they didn’t disappoint me. I made sure to plug my headphones in to listen to his theme (I usually play silent), and I was in awe with this song. It got me so hyped, might be one of my new fav tracks now from all of the Pokémon OSTs. Although I kinda swept his team (as I did with the rest of the Elite Four), I loved seeing his strategies and seeing how viable they were. I really hope we get more great teams in the future! Battling was so damn fun in this DLC compared to the last one… where everyone was rocking baby Pokémon lmao
As the strongest trainer, Kieran, fougth the fraud, the champion of paldea, he being to terastallize his pokemon, Florian shrug back in fear then Kieran said "stand proud Florian, you are strong"
Makes me wonder, what happens if Cyrano never invited us in BB Academy? What? Is Kieran gonna fly to Paldea with like a microphone walking to our Academy going "I'VE GOT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, MC IS BITCHASS MOTHERFU-"?
this has got to be the hardest fight i ever fought in pokemon. had a full team of lvl 100 and just barely scraped by with my Kinggambit and hydrapple. Genuinely terrifying team + terrifying theme = best rival/champion fight, ever.
@@EmpTheClown don’t get me wrong, it is possible to beat him. But he is not someone who you can just power through like most Pokémon battles. Or just bring perish song lapras, lol.
@@ZeroTheOtter I’m thinking of teaching my quaquaval ice spinner to deal with his dragonite, and close combat can take care of in incineroar and porygon-Z, I can use Ogerpon to take down politoed, My charizard to deal with hydrapple, and I’m not sure about Grimmsnarl
even their hair color are inverted despite basically having the same hairstyle - nemona having mostly black hair and a color stream of hair on the side while kieran having (outwardly) purple hair and a black stream of hair on the side.
@@vankristlabsTheir mindsets are flipped. While they're both obsessed with battling and fixated on the protagonist, Nemona wants a challenge, and is satisfied even when she loses. Kieran wants to crush you, and repeated losses are devastating to him. Also Nemona started a new team for you, and is consistent with it, Goomy and Pawmi fully evolve for example. Meanwhile Kieran frequently switches his team, Dipplin is the only one to stick around between dlcs.
The way Kieran doesn’t even flinch from the Tera orb is wild, every other trainer has at least some kind of reaction and yet Kieran just pulls it out and pulls a -_- as he waits for the cutscene to finish lol
Man, I knew he'd be my favorite battle in this entire game! Actually had to use my REAL team to snap him back to reality... "Lil K, you gotta stop this...." "Enough with that RIDICULOUS NICKNAME!!"
He did it,, the Fan's Champion!! 🎉 Though I feel Indigo Disk missed _so_ many opportunities in general to really take Us through Kierans villain arc, they got the major points right. The infinite Flying. And the Infinite Champion. 😅😊
4:26 As good as Marvel Scale and Flame Orb is, if it had competitive, we might be seeing the classic Incineroar Vs Milotic VGC battle. Regardless, that Milo definitely put great work.
I never would go like Kieran being refuse to accept defeat after the Pokémon Battle. I regret about that how he's made first time on refuse to accept defeat like other Pokémon Champions always accept defeat. Man, that match was awesome
Some people already now about Carmine and Kieran special line about Ogerpon, but Perrin also as one if go talk to her with the hisuian Caninos she gave to you if has evolve.
I had Ogrepon on my team when I battled him but decided not to use her to spare Kieren the mental anguish... It appears that I was right in my assessment
Kieran: you got some nerves to bringing out the ogre NOW of all times ? Me: thug life worm kiss my boots ! If we except Politoed, Kieran's team look simply awesome Dragonite Porygon-Z Grimmsnarl Incineroar and Hydrapple one of my favorite new mons I love the elite 4 Drayton who act cool, nice and smug with Kieran after his loss.
I wish every champion battle or elite four battles are in doubles from now on because this is really a breath of fresh air like this whole DLC I have to think about my team composition and not just brute force my way into the story… especially Drayton’s team like it was the first time in pokemon history that I have to reset a pokemon battle lmao fawk that dragonite
I hate to admit it, but I lost this battle the first time because I was using a fairly leveled team and no healing items. Literally, no special dialogue happened whatsoever.
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast I mean... While I get your point, battles having different dialogue depending on specific factors is not exactly super common in gaming as a whole.
@@Yoshyguy21 Yeah, but with Pokémon as big as it is, it shouldn’t be unreasonable to at least semi-hope for there to be a few extra pieces of dialogue for when you lose such an important battle. It just feels a little shallow to reset to your last checkpoint as pretend it never happened.
You know a champion fight is hard, when even Wolfey trying to use a perish song cheese strat nearly lost because Kieran won the favor of RNGsus with two hurricane confuse hax and took out half the man's team...while also giving the man PTSD the moment he saw wrestle heel cat.
I ain’t gonna lie, Kieran was the first champion in all my Pokémon experience to have me Hypertrain, Lv up and carefully pick out my team. No other champion worried me as much as he did (aside from Cynthia)
Never in my life would i have thought that one day i would actually be afraid of a rival!! Let alone one who was a champion!! And After the ending of the Teal mask dlc, i was down right terrified of him. When i got to this fight, my pokemon were level 100, and had some stat boosts. Kieran took out FOUR of my Pokemon, no other rival or champion (except for Cynthia) has ever backed me in a corner like that. I had every right to be terrified!! 😬 Best rival in the game!!! ❤❤❤
I did a battle with Pokémon around Level 80-85. I really had a hard time with the Elite Four and Kieran, the combination of the hold items and moves like Light Screen, Reflect or Stealth Rock made it very hard for me, Kieran even one or two shotted my whole team at my first attempt
Clodsire, Tinkaton, Kilowattrel, Quaquaval, Weavile and Ceruludge was my team. I EV trained them but not good IVS and use mints to boost their stats. It was a fun DLC. Only Lacey made me suffer
Personally, both the elite 4 and Kieran were very tough but decently beatable. The only one I lost against was Drayton but only because of very bad RNG.
Still cant believe this dlc made me build an actual team and use my raid mons. Usually I just throw in some random mons I caught in the area and one or two high leveled ones so I was caught off guard by how tough the battles with the E4 were.
Cynthia's rematch in the remake was harder, but Kieran is definitely up there for debate. He's hands down the strongest rival and antagonist we've seen in Pokemon history, though.
@@a.x.x8184Its you who is coping hard. Cynthia has Lvl 80+ teams with her ace at Level 88 and all of them use held items as well. And FYI it's also a Rematch with Kieran
it was more like he was too dense to see what was really going on between the player and Kieran which is why lacey chewed him out after the battle hell he didn't even think he'd be kicked out until Lacey said something
Ladies and gentlemen...The hardest and highest leveled MANDITORY story battle of any Pokémon game...PERIOD! I had the pleasure going though this battle and it was insane.
Yes the Volo battle going though 8 Pokemon without any breaks in Legends Arceus was hard but it doesn't come even close to a battle that has: 1. An NPC with competitive AI 2. Levels in the early 80s ...and 3. IT'S A GODDAMN DOUBLE BATTLE!
His battle theme here is freakin sick, I wish he was harder for me to beat though, I found him easier than the Elite 4, I was struggling so much with the others but him
Honestly I don’t know if anyone noticed but usually when the characters are about to terastallise their Pokémon they usually flinch or something or like wince but Kieran just had a STONE COLD LOOK no reaction probably the most terrifying bit of the battle for me.
I like to imagine that Kieran went through every region and defeated every single Elite Four member and Champion on his way to the player in the time between Teal Mask and Indigo Disk
Ya know what is funny? Both me and kiki had two pokémon left and my two was my galar starter intelion which is max level as well as my max level charaziard that I got in a suprise trade as a level 1 charmander but has been with me in the very beginning of pokemon sword when I played it for the first time. Truly amazing if you ask me. Lol!
Glad Kieran started to defend himself against his sister's endless teasing and no longer wants to be a doormat. I wish this game had spoken lines so it would give this battle raw feelings of a kid who is tired of being seen as a doormat. Character arc right there. Edit: And I love his team quite a lot
Opening with Politoed & Dragonite... He sure really ready to obelirate you if you not prepare with that mix.... Bulky poke along with Never Miss Hurricane due to Rain Terrain....
I decided that, no matter how bad things were, I was not going to heal nor revive any Pokémon in my team. If my son wanted to bring everything he has into me, I would respond the same way. It was a hard battle. I was left with two and a half Pokémon, but no matter, it was great. 💪🏻
3:55:"Even luck's chosen you over me... It's not fair! It's JUST NOT FAIR!!!" You can fell pure hatred and envious in this line. Kieran hates the fact he was outcasted and he doesn't even know that we are champion this whole time
Fought him with brute force in my first attempt and was just about to beat him until I was down to my last Pokémon while he still had two. Tried again changed my moves sets a bit, actually had to play with competitive predictions and switching to actually beat him, overall really great to see they actually made him a tough fight 😊
I ended up the indigo disk just now... This dlc was very hard, but not that much as I expected, Maybe because I was a little overleveled😅, but still got me problems. And in general with dlc, it was the best thing I played in so much time, honest!!!
On the difficulty part, yeah I think the Dev team heard people were complaining that the Base Game and Teal Mask were too easy and took those comments personally. I mean Kieran's Porygon Z has a Life Orb for crying out loud!
@@phoenixchampion7the teal mask still gave me some difficulty with the loyal three (who were way more difficult than any of the titans in the base game) as well as the final Kieran fight and the Ogerpon battle
Kieran ditched the Poliwag that he evolved into Poliwrath because he saw Politoed was better. That's just cold.
Dang
Oh dang how didn't I notice before, Harsh.
I think he ditched all of his team members excluding his dipplin who he evolved into Hydrapple (assuming he did this by beating Drayton who has the tm needed to evolve him).
poligoat fits him more glad they did it.. Should have kept the gliscor for his creepy smile that he does during this dlc.
Everything was more competitively viable on his team. Really shows how tryhard he's become. He realized Politoed is way more effective than Poliwrath (rain setter with helping hand).
Kierans whole team being competitive viable is nuts.
No more weak bot team
His Incineroar and Grimmsnarl were pretty easy but everything else was tough especially his Porygon-Z
@@wills3210 this comment is so hilarious because in VGC is completely the other way around lmao. Grimmsnarl and Incineroar are top tier support mons that can work in every team and with an even more improved AI that switches and all this could have been a really tough fight.
Ps. Just to be clear I'm not mocking your comment by saying that is hilarious, is just a consideration
@@_velvet_2744 yeah I was thinking the same thing!! I see him sending them out and get nervous but all in takes is a Moonblast from my Choice Scarf Iron Valiant and bam they’re gone.
@@wills3210
I mean if you’re going to use legendary of course they become weak
that ex-champion line was BRUTAL
He is the son of Drayden after all. Pettiness is in his blood
He saw Kieran having a mental breakdown and decided to just throw some extra salt
Why is he like this
AND DESERVED
@@bluefaygox23son?
Drayton is like 16 to 18, and Drayden would be in like early 80s to 90s.
I would say he is his grandson, and his adopted sister/cousin is Iris.
@@LycanMOONbecause Kieran was bullying kids earlier in the story and Drayton hated that, he needed Kieran to remember battling is fun.
Type of shit that N would have frowned upon
Really pleased with the fight toughness in this dlc. Had my jaw drop when they were using actual competitive movesets and items.
Zero
Life Orb is lore-accurate for someone who turned evil too
It's amazing how his opening is a stab 100% accuracy hurricane to destroy Ogerpon with a Dragonite that resists 3/4 forms and has multiscale for the rock type one
I'm not absolutely sure, but I think that they made the AI to always attack Ogerpon if she is on the field.
@@Adrian-ze9ud yes
this means you can just setup for free with protect and a switch
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Kieran's reaction to seeing Ogerpon was PRICELESS!
"You've got some nerve... bringing out the ogre NOW of all times?!?"
It's great Kieran has a special dialogue when he sees ogerpon
Carmine also had one, though.
Really glad I brought mine to the battle just to see that… and to also be a dick 😂
omg yes, when i switched out my ogrepon he was like HOW DARE YOU TO USE OGRE AGAINST ME
Well now I wonder if the two have any special dialogue for you using any of the Lousy Three against them.
I doubt it but the question only came to my mind after I beat Kieran.
I only used Ogerpon because she’s powerful and worked well with my team.
You can imagine the shock I got.
Okay ... Kieran used an Incineroar and a Grimmsnarl in doubles format.
He is definitely the strongest rival and Champion now.
too bad most of us are going into the battle with a maxed out team lol
@@chocolatecake566dude, even with a maxed out team, this is hard as HELL. I should know
@@chocolatecake566this was very VGC competitive level.
My Darkrai and Kingambit had a fun time. Obviously as champion I'm obliged to use the occasional potion, but compared to some of the E4, I found Kingambit especially had very little trouble. When Kieran sent in the Incineroar for instance, I couldnt help but laugh, DEFIANT all the way.
@@baronsionis6855 I mean, you also get a Milotic from Crystal Pond, one of Incineroar's most common check (thanks to competitive) so you can just set up agility and sweep through most of Kieran's team, especially because he doesn't fare too good against water types.
It's not about still being able to run counters through the AI teams, I posted this comment to praise about how GF went through all the way to establish that Kieran actually ‘studied’ and ‘practiced’ for the rematch.
I also really appreciate the Porygon-Z which benefits further from screens of Grimmsnarl and Helping Hand of Politoed but I think Smeargle would be a fantastic addition too.
Kieran’s fights bring out such a unique set of emotions. The first few times I battled him, I didn’t feel much, maybe a bit confident? Bc of how much he admires the player. When we fought for who got to keep Ogerpon, I felt almost guilty(?) on the one hand, you know you’re meant to win, but on the other, it’s bittersweet, bc it’s easy to empathize with Kieran’s desire to be with Ogerpon. And in his Champion battle, after seeing him push himself to be stronger out of jealousy and to beat the player, it gave the feeling of, “I wish we could settle this another way, but if you ask for it, I’m not gonna hold back”
Such a uniquely written character. Gotta love complexity in Pokemon
Honestly, had it not been for Terapagos turning on him, Kieran probably would’ve gone full villain.
Carmine, Amarys, and Drayton had hoped us beating him would snap Kieran back to his sense, but once they saw how despondent Kieran was after we beat him, it looks like they even underestimated how far Kieran had gone.
We really just destroyed this man's sanity, Captured the thing he wanted most, and made him go through a villain arc. And when he became champion of his school, we pulled up to his crib just to run his pockets and take his title and reputation
I even questioned if that are we the villains of this DLC?
No way man. Kieran is the villain of the Indigo Disc. He's a dick to his friends, he's a dick to other club members, he's a dick to his sister, and he tried to force a Pokémon to go with him instead of who the Pokémon had an interest in (the same way a child would steal a puppy bc they "wanted it more" than someone else). Not achieving your dream isn't a justification either. Kid needed to be taken down a few pegs.
Its just MC taking everything they want with no consuquences
@@mr.axalotl wdym, ogerpon wanted to go with the MC, there was no "taking".
@@blueworld1825 oh yea that too
@@peachesaupear8455JULIANA SIMP ALERT!
"Too bad about the outcome though, huh ... ex-champion"
man was like "fuck you, get over your addiction" and it somehow worked
Ehhhh not really I mean the part where Kieran almost got killed by Terapagos and him having to help battle against it was the thing that actually made him overcome the whole battle craze thing, to be honest I think Drayton made it worse considering Kieran was still going on about winning against the player.
@@supersonic2175 well it worked for a second (Drayton's words that made him realise its not all about winning) but then as soon as it registered in his head that by getting Terapogos, he can beat anyone
@@Minymonkey Yeah true, I was also gonna say that like, Drayton calling Kieran “ex-champion” was like the first steps to his getting out of his whole battle craze, like one single thing wouldn’t take him out of it, it had to be a step by step thing an Drayton saying that to him was one of those steps
I gotta say, the spanish subs, drayton roast kieran even harder, he said: "You got no luck champion, or should i Say, EX Champion?" Like damm, that is truly fucked up
When the guitar kicked I knew I was going to be in for an emotional rollercoaster
You can feel his desperation
Okay nah! This is definitely the Scariest Champion yet. The guitar parts in the music gave me goosebumps. That music is the definition of you are F___ED! I’m not even kidding. 1000/10
I couldn’t agree more. I was genuinely impressed Kieran managed to KO some of my team members. My child has grown up! Mind you, my Pokémon were Hyper Trained to the max… which makes it more impressive.
Kieran went full blown VGC. I am so proud of him.
Legit had Incin too, I'mma crying rn
So he cheated😂
I legit thought all his Pokemon were gonna be over level 90 after seeing how strong he got last time. Did anyone else think so too? Cause his strongest one was a level 76 Gliscor at the time.
@@SabeNo-rh7mb I was hoping too but realized that DLC 1 is actually supposed to be played during the main game (chronologically speaking) so you should be aroung lvl70~75 when starting DLC2.
I just realized something Kieran used Poliwrath in the Teal Mask now he uses a Politoed here in the Indigo Disk he actually used Poliwhirl's split evolution
I was so excited for the DLC just for Kieran, and my god they didn’t disappoint me.
I made sure to plug my headphones in to listen to his theme (I usually play silent), and I was in awe with this song. It got me so hyped, might be one of my new fav tracks now from all of the Pokémon OSTs.
Although I kinda swept his team (as I did with the rest of the Elite Four), I loved seeing his strategies and seeing how viable they were.
I really hope we get more great teams in the future! Battling was so damn fun in this DLC compared to the last one… where everyone was rocking baby Pokémon lmao
Kieran really said: Nah, i'd win
LOL I get that meme.
As the strongest trainer, Kieran, fougth the fraud, the champion of paldea, he being to terastallize his pokemon, Florian shrug back in fear then Kieran said "stand proud Florian, you are strong"
With this treasure i nah I'd summon the one who left always bet on Kieran
“Ah yes, my anti-Kieran Pokémon (Ogerpon, because he chose the PC instead of Kieran). Haven’t brought it out since the Teal Mask DLC era.”
Makes me wonder, what happens if Cyrano never invited us in BB Academy? What? Is Kieran gonna fly to Paldea with like a microphone walking to our Academy going "I'VE GOT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, MC IS BITCHASS MOTHERFU-"?
He wouldn't get that far sadly... Those are Nemona's hunting grounds.
Am now starting to get used to his new Onion Hair after witnessing enough fanarts of it.
WHY DOES OT LOOK GOOD????
@@KeyFChickenacceptance
Im a fan of edgy Kieran design. It looks cool to me.
@@lipika2841 why does he look good tho
Looks Like SSJ2 Youth Gohan
this has got to be the hardest fight i ever fought in pokemon. had a full team of lvl 100 and just barely scraped by with my Kinggambit and hydrapple. Genuinely terrifying team + terrifying theme = best rival/champion fight, ever.
My team is just level 80s rn, I’m screwed
@@EmpTheClown don’t get me wrong, it is possible to beat him. But he is not someone who you can just power through like most Pokémon battles. Or just bring perish song lapras, lol.
@@ZeroTheOtter I’m thinking of teaching my quaquaval ice spinner to deal with his dragonite, and close combat can take care of in incineroar and porygon-Z, I can use Ogerpon to take down politoed, My charizard to deal with hydrapple, and I’m not sure about Grimmsnarl
He wasn’t that bad. Though he did force me into using party members 3 and 4
He's scarier than Cynthia
Kierans theme is Fire 🔥🔥🔥
Straight heat
The guitarist was absolutely shredding!!
I found it funny how Kieran is the exact opposite of nemona
even their hair color are inverted despite basically having the same hairstyle - nemona having mostly black hair and a color stream of hair on the side while kieran having (outwardly) purple hair and a black stream of hair on the side.
So Kieran despises battling?
i have a funky theory that kieran's character development was nemona's scratched one, i like that there are still some parallels between the two
Kieran after losing to Nemona:
@@vankristlabsTheir mindsets are flipped. While they're both obsessed with battling and fixated on the protagonist, Nemona wants a challenge, and is satisfied even when she loses. Kieran wants to crush you, and repeated losses are devastating to him.
Also Nemona started a new team for you, and is consistent with it, Goomy and Pawmi fully evolve for example.
Meanwhile Kieran frequently switches his team, Dipplin is the only one to stick around between dlcs.
This makes you realise how strong Nemona actually is, considering Kieran says he stood no chance against her in the Pecharunt quest
tbh i think that was just kieran being self depricating & overexaggerating his loss, esp considering if you talk to nemona she says he was rlly strong
The way Kieran doesn’t even flinch from the Tera orb is wild, every other trainer has at least some kind of reaction and yet Kieran just pulls it out and pulls a -_- as he waits for the cutscene to finish lol
Man, I knew he'd be my favorite battle in this entire game! Actually had to use my REAL team to snap him back to reality...
"Lil K, you gotta stop this...."
"Enough with that RIDICULOUS NICKNAME!!"
Same, I had to use my regular team to beat him, and it was a close match.
I used a team with my old Pokémon from previous game files and it was BRUTAL!
My team comprised of Zoroark, Toxtricity, Urshifu (rapid strike) Koraidon, Ogerpon, and Milotic.
That opening was like an inversion of nemona's final battle cutscene
My heart sank for Crispin. Poor bloke got booted out of the Savannah plaza 😢
Actually, he's still in the league. Post game explains it.
Wow...Kieran had no reaction to his Tera Orb...that's scary
Ngl, this is like almost the same but the opposite of Wally in ORAS
Dark Wally
now who owuld win Wally or Kieran
Wow, that is actually a really good comparison
@@skullguy4863Kieran, no doubt
Though Wally has mega evolution, Kieran's team is extremely balanced and competitively viable, he would defeat Wally.
He doubled up on Ogerpon. Zero hesitation.
He's the first character to get 3 themes for himself ? Right ?
Wrong. N was the first one.
To be fair those were in different games
@@meteor9573 ah yes I forgor
@@RickyblueYT It's okay. It's not like the third theme plays in a memorable moment.
He kinda has 4 actually, since he was the one commanding Terapagos in the first phase.
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Rest In Peace WolfeyVGC
He did it,, the Fan's Champion!! 🎉
Though I feel Indigo Disk missed _so_ many opportunities in general to really take Us through Kierans villain arc, they got the major points right. The infinite Flying. And the Infinite Champion. 😅😊
4:26 As good as Marvel Scale and Flame Orb is, if it had competitive, we might be seeing the classic Incineroar Vs Milotic VGC battle. Regardless, that Milo definitely put great work.
I never would go like Kieran being refuse to accept defeat after the Pokémon Battle.
I regret about that how he's made first time on refuse to accept defeat like other Pokémon Champions always accept defeat.
Man, that match was awesome
He outgrew his emo phase.
And landed right into his villain arc. Lmao
@@Kageravagerthat's his sister fault lol
@@mathieul4303 He made his own decisions though.
Now he’s healing :)
@@Kageravager The "villain arc":
- wowzers, it's like I'm in a spy movie 😄
- hey how about we start from zero and become friends? 🥺
Some people already now about Carmine and Kieran special line about Ogerpon, but Perrin also as one if go talk to her with the hisuian Caninos she gave to you if has evolve.
That's cool
I had Ogrepon on my team when I battled him but decided not to use her to spare Kieren the mental anguish...
It appears that I was right in my assessment
Great that he didn’t decide to murder us after losing all of his sanity in part 1
He might have if he got his hands on Terapagos.
Leon when you pull up with Eturnatus: Shit, that’s cool. Have fun.
Kieran when you pull up with Ogrepon: AHHHHH
Kieran: you got some nerves to bringing out the ogre NOW of all times ?
Me: thug life worm kiss my boots !
If we except Politoed, Kieran's team look simply awesome
Dragonite
Porygon-Z
Grimmsnarl
Incineroar
and Hydrapple one of my favorite new mons
I love the elite 4 Drayton who act cool, nice and smug with Kieran after his loss.
politoad has synergy since he has a special dragonite with hurricane although if it got swapped for palafin or anything It would be a little better
@@skullguy4863 the only thing i love with Politoed it's his ability drizzle: with that one Hurricane, Thunder won't miss the opponent
I mean the other option Will be Kyogre
I wish every champion battle or elite four battles are in doubles from now on because this is really a breath of fresh air like this whole DLC I have to think about my team composition and not just brute force my way into the story… especially Drayton’s team like it was the first time in pokemon history that I have to reset a pokemon battle lmao fawk that dragonite
I hate to admit it, but I lost this battle the first time because I was using a fairly leveled team and no healing items. Literally, no special dialogue happened whatsoever.
Even with my team of level 100s and no healing, half my team went down
GAMEFREAK try to make an alternate ending challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
My garchomp froze and talon flame died by the next brave bird
Yeah he had a good opening hand
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast I mean... While I get your point, battles having different dialogue depending on specific factors is not exactly super common in gaming as a whole.
@@Yoshyguy21 Yeah, but with Pokémon as big as it is, it shouldn’t be unreasonable to at least semi-hope for there to be a few extra pieces of dialogue for when you lose such an important battle. It just feels a little shallow to reset to your last checkpoint as pretend it never happened.
You know a champion fight is hard, when even Wolfey trying to use a perish song cheese strat nearly lost because Kieran won the favor of RNGsus with two hurricane confuse hax and took out half the man's team...while also giving the man PTSD the moment he saw wrestle heel cat.
And... he has gone more insane, welp
Props to him getting 3 knockouts vs a team 10-20 levels higher than his.
I think someone ran his entire lineup in competitive
And actually did real well with it too if I heard right
Protag: Hang on Kieran, I feel like this moment deserves a selfie. Make sure to look at the camera and give me your biggest smile!
Made this battle actually pretty tough, I must say I wasn’t ready for the Drizzle-Thunder combo
Yup I forgot thunder always hits in the rain. Unfortunately my lightning rod user fainted so it took out my Empoleon with a crit.
I ain’t gonna lie, Kieran was the first champion in all my Pokémon experience to have me Hypertrain, Lv up and carefully pick out my team. No other champion worried me as much as he did (aside from Cynthia)
Who else absolutely loves Kieran even though he’s the anti hero
👇
Never in my life would i have thought that one day i would actually be afraid of a rival!! Let alone one who was a champion!! And After the ending of the Teal mask dlc, i was down right terrified of him.
When i got to this fight, my pokemon were level 100, and had some stat boosts. Kieran took out FOUR of my Pokemon, no other rival or champion (except for Cynthia) has ever backed me in a corner like that.
I had every right to be terrified!! 😬
Best rival in the game!!! ❤❤❤
I did a battle with Pokémon around Level 80-85. I really had a hard time with the Elite Four and Kieran, the combination of the hold items and moves like Light Screen, Reflect or Stealth Rock made it very hard for me, Kieran even one or two shotted my whole team at my first attempt
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What was going through Lacey’s head asking Kieran for literally anything? Bros having a full on breakdown 💀😭
Clodsire, Tinkaton, Kilowattrel, Quaquaval, Weavile and Ceruludge was my team. I EV trained them but not good IVS and use mints to boost their stats. It was a fun DLC. Only Lacey made me suffer
Personally, both the elite 4 and Kieran were very tough but decently beatable. The only one I lost against was Drayton but only because of very bad RNG.
I got quaquaval and Ceruledge, gonna need to teach my quaquaval ice spinner for that dragonite
Still cant believe this dlc made me build an actual team and use my raid mons. Usually I just throw in some random mons I caught in the area and one or two high leveled ones so I was caught off guard by how tough the battles with the E4 were.
Everyone before Indigo Disk: KIERAN WILL COME FOR US AND OUR FAMILY!
Everyone after Indigo Disk: NOOOOO OUR BABY WE FEEL SO BAD WE’RE SORRY.
Hi Pokeli or Mixeli, I like your themes especially the Vs Sado and turo and Origin theme, I hope you make this one when the official arts drop out.
Okay. I love that you named that one Pokémon Dovahbear. Love it. 😂😂❤️❤️
Man, I don't think I've ever felt this bad about winning a Pokemon battle!
We've been critisizing emo characters for so long, now we made a character emo. What have we done ?
More like we cause a emo character
criticising? nah emo characters are great
@@questionmarkquestionmarkques then it must have been my personnal taste, sorry for making such generalisation
I know level wise he’s stronger than Cynthia slightly, but who did you guys find tougher out of both of them.
Cynthia's rematch in the remake was harder, but Kieran is definitely up there for debate. He's hands down the strongest rival and antagonist we've seen in Pokemon history, though.
@@SurlyDuff814 You had to bring on rematch lmao sad Cynthia been dethroned as best champion COPE.
@@a.x.x8184Its you who is coping hard. Cynthia has Lvl 80+ teams with her ace at Level 88 and all of them use held items as well. And FYI it's also a Rematch with Kieran
@@SurlyDuff814Spiritomb is a set-up fodder with Sucker Punch on bad AI
battling cynthia was horrible i never struggled before and kieran was such a piece of cake
FIRST INDIGO DISK UPLOAD
HELL YEAH
KIERAN BOUTTA GET OUR ASSES AFTER A MONTH
Eh... more of the other way around. He gets whipped a second time
@@stevenmattrell3448 AND BECOMES BETTER
OVERCOMIN HIS ARC
@@navybluegacha2119and it almost took a near death experience from a turtle! :D
Stand proud, you're strong
Kieran hates Victor Galar so much
Does anyone else think this fight has the same level of dramatic tension as the final Zinnia fight, or is that just me?
Notice was Crispin is the most excited for the battle. He knows that if Kieran loses, he will stop being part of the Elite Four
it was more like he was too dense to see what was really going on between the player and Kieran which is why lacey chewed him out after the battle hell he didn't even think he'd be kicked out until Lacey said something
Gonna use Ogerpon just to piss him off
Ladies and gentlemen...The hardest and highest leveled MANDITORY story battle of any Pokémon game...PERIOD!
I had the pleasure going though this battle and it was insane.
Yes the Volo battle going though 8 Pokemon without any breaks in Legends Arceus was hard but it doesn't come even close to a battle that has:
1. An NPC with competitive AI
2. Levels in the early 80s
...and 3. IT'S A GODDAMN DOUBLE BATTLE!
And to me, this is my #1 Pokemon battle of all time just for the bullet points mentioned alone.
The way he opened with that Politoad and Dragonite into the Hurricane with Rain was damn cold
Yes, I've heard that there is an even higher leveled mandatory trainer battle in the DLC's epilogue...Still a cakewalk compared to this madness.
His battle theme here is freakin sick, I wish he was harder for me to beat though, I found him easier than the Elite 4, I was struggling so much with the others but him
I swear, Mixeli uploads the most entertaining battles
Sounds like an alternate universe UNDERTALE soundtrack. Goes extremely hard
Honestly I don’t know if anyone noticed but usually when the characters are about to terastallise their Pokémon they usually flinch or something or like wince but Kieran just had a STONE COLD LOOK no reaction probably the most terrifying bit of the battle for me.
Drayton is weird. He acts like a jerk towards Kieran then acts all nice and fuzzy. What a weirdo
To be fair, Kieran was acting like a jerk in the first place and needed to be taken down a few pegs.
Kieran was acting like a jerk in the first place and needed to be humbled
I like to imagine that Kieran went through every region and defeated every single Elite Four member and Champion on his way to the player in the time between Teal Mask and Indigo Disk
That would take far too long.
Ya know what is funny? Both me and kiki had two pokémon left and my two was my galar starter intelion which is max level as well as my max level charaziard that I got in a suprise trade as a level 1 charmander but has been with me in the very beginning of pokemon sword when I played it for the first time. Truly amazing if you ask me. Lol!
I know I may have came off as rude when you all sent her out, but … I'm glad you kept your promise in taking care of Ogerpon. She looks so happy..
Everybody gangsta 'till the DLC trainers start using competitive strats
Glad Kieran started to defend himself against his sister's endless teasing and no longer wants to be a doormat. I wish this game had spoken lines so it would give this battle raw feelings of a kid who is tired of being seen as a doormat.
Character arc right there.
Edit: And I love his team quite a lot
Opening with Politoed & Dragonite...
He sure really ready to obelirate you if you not prepare with that mix.... Bulky poke along with Never Miss Hurricane due to Rain Terrain....
Arthur Morgan: Not bad, Kieran: certainly not an O'Driscoll anymore
Kieran grew super confident 😏
You mean over confident lol
wow Kirien so strong
I decided that, no matter how bad things were, I was not going to heal nor revive any Pokémon in my team.
If my son wanted to bring everything he has into me, I would respond the same way.
It was a hard battle. I was left with two and a half Pokémon, but no matter, it was great. 💪🏻
Ngl keeping kierans politoed in kinda a cheeky strat
My boy Drayton teasing Kieran 😂
Whenever I battle Kieran I’m like: “Face it kid, you can’t beat me no matter how hard you try. Give up.”
3:55:"Even luck's chosen you over me... It's not fair! It's JUST NOT FAIR!!!"
You can fell pure hatred and envious in this line. Kieran hates the fact he was outcasted and he doesn't even know that we are champion this whole time
Not going to lie I feel bad for the guy... I don't take pokémon as seriously as him but the look on his face...
Kieran: "win...next time"
Me: "bruh i'm the main character"
Fought him with brute force in my first attempt and was just about to beat him until I was down to my last Pokémon while he still had two. Tried again changed my moves sets a bit, actually had to play with competitive predictions and switching to actually beat him, overall really great to see they actually made him a tough fight 😊
I love how ogerpon is called "Hinata" 💀
4:58 Uh oh!
5:00 Ohh
5:02 UH OH!!!
I ended up the indigo disk just now... This dlc was very hard, but not that much as I expected, Maybe because I was a little overleveled😅, but still got me problems. And in general with dlc, it was the best thing I played in so much time, honest!!!
On the difficulty part, yeah I think the Dev team heard people were complaining that the Base Game and Teal Mask were too easy and took those comments personally.
I mean Kieran's Porygon Z has a Life Orb for crying out loud!
@@phoenixchampion7 That Porygon-Z DESTROYED Zac the first time.
@@phoenixchampion7the teal mask still gave me some difficulty with the loyal three (who were way more difficult than any of the titans in the base game) as well as the final Kieran fight and the Ogerpon battle
Were Kieran's (and the Elite Four's) Pokemon actually EV'd? I feel like they were as those fights were really tough, which I really like.
They are.
Entire e4 has eved mons too
11:27 THE FACT WE CAN ACTUALLY *kind of* TALK NOWWW 😭😭😭😭💀💀💀
3:43 Damn! Sorry Gardevoir , take a good rest.
Politoad is cutest mon in the pokemon franchise
You've got some nerve. Bringing out the ogre NOW of all times?!
I feel so bad for this kid