So What are the Actual Rules with Conjugal Visits?
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While in the last couple decades in the United States, various states have rapidly been putting an end to so-called conjugal visits, it turns out their benefit to prisoners, wardens, and the general public are surprisingly high, including in the long run saving enormous sums of money for John Q. Taxpayer, which is presumably why a huge percentage of the rest of the world allows them, among certain moral arguments in favor of such. So how do conjugal visits actually work? How did the program get its start in the first place, and why are countries like Britain and the United States so against it?
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Today I found out poontang is not a modern word.
I am pretty sure that you would need to be an actual Saudi Arabian citizen to get that deal and only those who are related to the extended Saudi royal family are citizens. Btw the British government do pay for families to travel to visit their loved one twice a month dependant upon your income
What's a killer is all the phone calls and the prison canteen which are run by private sector monopoly in British prisons.
Amazingly enough in america we dont get any kind of visitation where i live. You must video chat with your family and they charge you for it. Basicly they are saying dont fucking come here but give me the money you would have spent on gas to do so.
_"C_ visits"???
Afraid of getting demonetized for having the word *"conjugal"* in your title? 😆😆😆
@@honey_bee65 yep the google thought police re-education program is taking hold nicely in his brain lol
I used to work construction and one of my jobs was to build the "cat houses" at a large prison. Cat house being the slang term for the conjugal visit buildings. They were like a small hotel suite with a main room and one small bedroom with a double bed. Officially they were called something like "extended family leave" or some bureaucratic name like that. _Officially_ there was not supposed to be any sex, but they let you sleep with your lady in a double bed in a private room. Kind of a wink and a nod there, ya' know? But yea, it is true that it was mostly whole families visiting. The inmate and spouse (at the time it had to be a spouse, but I guess now they also allow "partners") would immediately run off to the bedroom, fuck their brains out for 5 mins and come back out and spend the rest of the day with the kids, mothers, fathers, etc. Honestly it was a whole lot more wholesome than is imagined. Those poor kids don't deserved to be punished for their father's crimes. They deserve to see their fathers once in a while.
Should of thought of that before having a piece of shit dad. I know from experience 😉
Probably better for everybody they be given some kind of incentive to "be good", I mean damn, what's the alternative, just lock them in a cage and let them out later when they're harder and meaner and less acclimated to society? That's the opposite of rehabilitation. Plus then you'd have everybody trying to be good so the guards job is easier and safer. Everything about it makes sense.
Chad 1337P-De$tr0yer69 🤔. Kinda makes sense, the be good part. Lets them see what they’re missing, and hopefully....
@@Dr.RichardBanks "Should of thought of that before having a piece of shit dad. I know from experience 😉"
If you're not allowed to do anything, then you can't become better...
Chad 1337P-De$tr0yer69 The US is more interested in the punish part, rehabilitation if any is an unintended side effect.
I used to be a Corrections Officer in a smaller state. I can say that there is a ton of employees who want to help the inmates and see them stay out. But, when it comes to the higher ups, everything is about numbers. They don’t care how certain things are done, just that they get done. Pushing inmates through programs, when they shouldn’t be. Cutting funding for programs that keep the inmates busy and productive. All prisons are to the legislature is a numbers game.
Confirming what most of us have long suspected. Sad.
Stat games.
I've worked in the state prison system.
In admitting our sum up was, "You can do hard time, or your time can work hard for you. Your choice."
@@ussarng4649 You know that’s not true. You know it for a fact.
@@juliahorn3659 now you sound like a fool, telling someone you don't even know what happened in their life.
My opinion of you is that you aren't even worth laughing at.
Simon said Poontang.
And now I can finally rest.
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@@___LC___ Otherwise known as "When Simon's Meds Wear Off".
I thought that was a term only my family used to "talk over the kids heads" After 45 years I find out it's a real word! I've never heard it used anywhere else.
It's Simon unfiltered and probably highly caffeinated
Topic: Have there ever been real life Hollywood movie style hitmen?
Of course. There is a real life league of assassins
Hollywood exaggerates reality.
What elements are exaggerated from what elements of reality is the question.
@@MrMattydavee where is there any proof of this
Of course there are. Look up “The Iceman” aka Richard Kuklinski (I probably spelled that wrong).
I've wondered this for a long time! @Simon please cover this!!!!
I love how we keep cutting things because they cost too much then a decade later it turns out were spending 10x as much. Then if we implement a program to fix it we expect it to work immediately.
If politicians weren't paid but had government housing and food stamps like stipend I feel like we would save a lot of money.
The truth is that once you take everything away from someone, you no longer have any way to control that person. Since our society doesn't condone the outright torture and murder of prisoners, the only way that prisons can ever hope to exert any control over their prisoners is by offering them incentives.
This is something the "tough on crime" folks just don't get: the harsher the conditions of a prison, the harder the prisoners are to manage. Keeping hundreds or thousands of people locked in a cage, while also keeping them alive and relatively healthy is not an easy thing to do. If those people refuse to cooperate with their imprisonment, it becomes staggeringly difficult, i.e., expensive.
The bottom line: it is far cheaper to give prisoners incentives than to control them by force.
Pretty sure most of society WOULD condone torture and murder of prisoners.. it would definitely prevent more crime being committed
However, the increased cost of the harsher prisons gives the law-abiding a bonus: justice. Prison is not about privileges, it is not about fun, I would pay an increased cost for the felon to have a less pleasurable time doing his/her time.
@@Ezorus all fun in games til you're falsely accused and die for nothing
@@mattblom3990 Can you explain to me how making a person suffer achieves justice? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm genuinely trying to understand this perspective. What exactly makes the criminal's suffering a positive thing? Is it their status as "evil"? Or is it the suffering that they have caused?
@@ahobimo732 the prisoner has incurred a large deal of suffering on those they offend against. By being in prison, having their privileges taken away, they hopefully learn to understand to a small degree the pain they have inflicted. In addition, introducing a negative stimulus - aka classical conditioning - is the only type of learning that works on everything from small animals to people and does not rely on the good graces of the prisoner to repent and have higher order thinking to come to terms with what they've done.
If the prisoner does not face consequences for their anti-social actions and is not removed from the public for a time as punishment, there is no barrier for them to not repeat what they've done.
In addition, the person offended or family members of those hurt know the offender is removed from society for a time and cannot re-offend. This provides peace of mind. The combination of knowing the prisoner lost their privileges to be a part of society due to their evil, and the safety of having removed them from society for a time, is what creates justice.
does anyone else just stare at the neon sign behind Simon's head
I keep wondering why he has a big neon WS behind him?
Because he’s SW. And it would be COOL to have a neon sign of your initials 😉
I love that sign!
Me! Its just so dang big and bright, I can’t help it. My eyes just wander over to it, even though I’m not really paying any attention to it.🤷♀️
I was starring at that for the whole video
I do lol
I’m a pretty simple creature. Give me some pork, greens, cornbread, and poontang now and then and I’ll work for you.
Can I get some extra greens instead of the cornbread?
Jay Dunbar yeah, cornbread is the worst.
@@KarasuInaiga wha? I love cornbread
@@jaydunbar7538 hell no. It’s prison and you’ll eat that cornbread and you’ll god damn like it.
@@Sebastian--2 same but I'd imagine prison cornbread is dry as hell! 🦴
I didn’t know the word “poontang” was so old...
I never thought Simon would ever use that word
I didn’t know I needed to hear him say it
Seems to be from 1925 to 30. Might be from an African language or French for prostitute - exact origin still in debate.
@@MaulyMayhem I knew I needed to hear him say it and have been waiting for this moment my entire life
David Wainio That’s a good point.
My dad was in prison for a long time, we visited him once a month because he was more than six hours a day, we got to stay with him for hours we played Jenna and drank soda because it is rare to have access to carbonated beverages in the prison he was at. Prisoners need punishment yes but more than that they need reformation. A lot of people never had a chance from the beginning and many don’t understand that.
Just wanted to chime in with the Canadian version of a conjugal visit in a minimum security institution.
When my now ex was in prison I was given a visit on our 22nd wedding anniversary.
After being sniffed by a drug dog and my luggage searched I put my phone and purse in a locker then was taken to the regular visitation area. Then they called my then husband on the intercom. He met me in the visitation room.
If he had signed out any games we would have picked them up at that time.
We were led by a guard taken to a little on-site cottage. This is where we spent the weekend.
We weren’t watched and it was just like a small 1 bedroom cottage except that the 4 foot (or whatever height a normal fence is) chain link fence around it was locked and only the guards had a key. Three or 4 times a day they would call on a direct line telephone and we then had to stand on the porch until a guard walked by and confirmed that we were there, at which time we could either stay outside or go back in.
We spent most of the time watching TV
That last part about checking to make sure everyone was still there was really encouraging to hear because that means the place isn't bugged and you can actually relax without worrying about hidden mics and cameras
That's really interesting to hear about the effects on recidivism rates with conjugal visits and education. Of course, it really makes sense.
It's a skewed population sample within the prison. Only those who behave well get this treatment. I'd be curious to know what alternatives they have to influence the rest of the prison population.
@@Paladin1873 That is admitted a very, very good point!
so given the sick American education system (pay through your nose for education), a poor guy would have to get into prison if he cannot afford an education for himself in any other way.
@@Paladin1873 Without it there is no incentive to behave better. This was brought up in the video. From a couple different angles.
@@peterkoller3761 i think you misunderstood the core concept of his comment lol
it has nothing to do with people not in jail paying for education
3:48
Later it was allowed to visit wives and girlfriends = eventually, wives and girlfriends found out about the prostitutes and demanded they be allowed visits too.
voidremoved lol basically
Hey Simon - I've had conjugal ( they call them "family " visits) visits in California, USA. They are very difficult to get approved for, but once you get that, the process is pretty straightforward.
No. 1 rule: *No BDSM! No handcuffs, chains or shackles!* 😂
Or maybe it's the other way around? Maybe it's _only_ BDSM, handcuffs, chains, and shackles?
@@stormthrush37 Can't get turned on by a costume you've been wearing everyday. Gotta show up looking like something that isn't part of regular life in prison.... It's why handcuffs in the bedroom is kinky, for people who are free and aren't in prison during their daily life.
En norrman med humor. Det var som fan.🤭
If the inmate is on good terms with the guard they might be able to persuade them to cuff them to their visitor for the duration of the visit. 😄
@@oslonorway547 Maybe it isn't all about the prisoner getting turned on. ;)
Never heard poontang said in a UK accent until today. Prison sucks!
You have clearly never visited the UK then lol
@@outlawJosieFox no sure haven't
I live in the UK and never once have heard the word poontang here
It's pretty much fallen out of use. I remember it being used in the 90s probably do to influences in period based films like full metal jacket. It's always been an Americanism as far as I'm aware.
Well when you consider how many of our prisons are for profit it makes sense. Can't have the offenders not re-offending, that would just be awful for the prison owners bank accounts.
If you think bureaucrats are more trust worthy then owners your in for a hard surprise. Anything with the only customer being the government is going to be a shit show, no market forces to react to. A big dose of transparency would do wonders imo, if also like to see a easy method of transferring to a different prison. Want to be the most profitable? Be the one everyone wants to transfer to.
@Jody Owen lobbying(on Manny levels) changes sentences, stake diners for judged occasionally end up killing more than their cares.
@@jaydunbar7538 The problem is that for profit prisons have a vested interest to keep as many people as possible in prison. Thus the marketforces deincentivice rehabilitation.
Gimme some pork, greens, cornbread and poontang and I'll work for you too.
For real
You beat me to it , I am a free man and I don't even get that.
Seems like the prisoners have it better than l do.
No green backs huh.
I'll take poontang as minimum wage!
@ Today I Found out: One question comes to my curious mind: Since there are privately owned and operated prisons in the United States and some high ranked members of organized crime are filthy rich, would it (either directly or in some covered way via controlled companys) be possible for such a rich inmate to actually buy the prison he is in, therefore getting a private prison sort of like Escobar build for himself?
I think that "private" prisons are actually "corporate" prisons, owned by millions of investors. But because a controlling majority of a corporation can usually be bought, I would say, "Yes?"
Possible, yes although highly highly unlikely
Friend of Trump?
Done
@@mercedesgomez8258 A friend of Trump would just get pardoned lol, that's how that slime-bucket operates
Mob bosses and other super rich criminals tend to get their assets frozen upon arrest.
The legendary blues song “The Midnight Special” was written about the train bringing the women to Parchman.
For those in the 'prison is there to punish camp', Keeping the isolation constant allows prisoners to get used to it, if you keep reminding them what they are missing with visits and familial contact, the punishment is worse. If they keep getting reminded by experience what they are missing, they will keep it on their mind more, instead of getting 'resigned to their fate'. So even if you want to be mean to prisoners, constantly letting them taste what they are missing, only to take it away for months at a time is much more cruel. In _addition_ to proven reductions in recidivism.
@@Iron-Blurr _Human psychology._
@@Iron-Blurr I mean, if you don't understand enough about psychology and brain function to know how consistency builds up tolerance, I dunno what to say to you. You put someone in solitary long enough, and they just shut down. Same way you get used to any pain due to overstimulation. This isn't exactly a fantastical claim that needs special evidence, stimulus oversaturation is very, very well understood.
It's the same reason eventually you get used to loud noises, or ignore bad smells. Just an FYI, if you want to be a know-it-all, you might actually want to learn about things before you go and talk right out of your ass.
@@Iron-Blurr Uh, yes, yes you do get used to loud sounds that are BELOW the threshold for permanent hearing damage. It's pretty funny that you should try and pull the "If you don't know don't say anything." card, because your knowledge on the subject of how the nervous system and human psyche works seems to be nothing.
You sir are an example of the Dunning Kruger effect in action. Unlike you I've actually studied into things like neurology, so I know what I'm talking about. But _please,_ continue to try and use anecdotes to make yourself look smart, just about anyone who isn't as dense as you will see right through you.
@@thano8499 This guy isn't really worth the time to explain anything to, he thinks he's a skeptic, and knows everything, despite not having a particularly robust knowledge base. You're wasting your time trying to teach such a neanderthal.
I kinda had him pegged from that first comment, without any sort of punctuation at all. He's just trolling for attention.
@@Iron-Blurr Sorry, kiddo, I'm not going to be digging up information on a well proven concept. This is nothing revolutionary, we've known about sensory adaptation for a very, very long time. Let me explain to you how burden of proof works. The burden of proof is only on someone who makes an extraordinary claim, but sensory adaptation isn't' extraordinary, it's a known fact. You were *_never_* here to reason from the get go. The fact you're putting words into my mouth shows that.
It would be like you asking me to prove that if you drop something, it will fall to the ground. To ask someone to prove that would be stupid. Go look up information on sensory adaptation yourself. You're also not using the term 'cherry pick' right. I know you've probably watched some skeptic channel on youtube, and think you're a genius, but you're really not.
You're only making yourself look stupid here by using anecdotes to try and prove a point that's nonsense. Phantom pain has nothing to do with sensory adaptation, and the part of your nervous system that deals with pain due to damage is different from other parts, as it doesn't 'shut down' as readily. It should be pretty obvious why signals for physical pain do not turn off, if they did, you'd keep causing damage to yourself. Even then, having the same pain repeatedly dulls over time.
Every other nervous signal can be much more actively ignored by your body, which is the bulk of what Sensory adaptation is. Sensory adaptation is a very well known phenomenon, it's when your body becomes dulled to certain stimulus because nerves cannot continuously receive and transmit, and/or your body actively decides to ignore a stimulus because it doesn't perceive it as important anymore.
It's the reason you stop noticing smells, it's the reason why constant noise eventually fades from your notice. It's why you get used to loud noises. It's part of why pain eventually dulls. It's why repeating the same word over and over again starts to make it feel like it's meaningless. The why of sensory adaptation isn't fully understood, but the fact remains that it exists, and effects every facet of what your brain and nervous system does.
Ontop of temporary sensory adaptation, there is permanent sensory diminishment, which is what makes you lose sensitivity in fingers, makes your hearing diminish when you repeatedly listen to things above a certain threshold, and how you can develop a tolerance for pain. Your own body can build up resistance to your neurotransmitters, this is what causes permanent hearing damage, not actual damage to the structures of the inner ear.
Just like any other stimulus, eventually you will build up a tolerance for isolation. If you never get any human contact, it will become your new norm. That's why it's so traumatic for those who have been in prolonged isolation to re-adapt to a social life. It's why some people cannot leave prison and be healthy individuals, they're so used to the strict, regimented life on the inside, they can't adapt to life outside again, and it's very well documented.
“ hit the ground running once they’re fully released”
🤣🤣🤣
"Shit. I'm a free man and I haven't had a conjugal visit in six months." - Michael Bolton
It lowers recidivism, that alone is the reason it's been discontinued. The prison industry needs repeat offenders
It COSTS states money to house inmates. Why would they want to hold onto prisoners for a longer time? I understand that in SOME cases choices by lawmakers might be partially influenced by lobbyists, the whole "for profit prison scandal" is really blown out of proportion.
Also it should be noted that while the prison population has grown by leaps and bounds since the early 80's a lot of that has to do with breakdown of the family system in the US which hasn't happened to the same degree in most other countries.
The percentage of the prison population that was raised in a broken home with no father present, or raised by grandparents is insane. I believe it's something like 80 percent. And considering that this percentage has increased exponentially since the 80's it's quite reasonable to assume this is a massive contributor.
The war on drugs is part of it, but probably not exactly as you think. A large percentage of theft is driven by drug addiction, probably a big reason why he mentioned recidivism is so high for thieves. Since many are addicts that will still use when they leave prison it is only a matter of time before they return. Recently the courts have been smarter about this and try to get offenders who are known addicts into treatment instead of prison. But it is hard to quit and this can only do so much.
Finally as far as extended family visits go of course recidivism drops for convicts that take advantage of them! The very fact that the inmate has someone at home that is willing to come for such a caring visit means when they get out they have someone that cares for them. It isn't necessarily because they visited them as much as they even HAVE someone that loves them enough to visit in the first place.
It might still be worth having the visits available of course . But many politicians are afraid of supporting such visits and having them used as a campaign ad against them for being soft on crime :(.
There are hundreds of factors, private prisons are not even in the top 20 i bet. I mean you have to have people committing crime to fill them in the first place
@@mrdumbfellow927 You make some interesting points- thanks for posting.
@@mrdumbfellow927 it is an expense for the state, but an income for prisons, since prisons are privately run by people who get paid with government money. Those are the people who lobby for things that lead to a bloated number of inmates.
@@bMegalyth Not to mention how many companies use prisoners for free/cheap labour. Also, another thing that's ballooned in the US since the 80s is income & wealth inequality, & cost of living which contributes massively to crime rates as poverty & crime are very closely linked.
@@mrdumbfellow927 correct it costs the people, but not the profiteers running and supplying prisons. That cost is piped straight into pockets for legal slave labor.
Today I found out how old the word "Poontang" is
I heard it as pootang but yeah; that word is ages old lol
Almost as old as your mother
Greens?...pork?.. Corn bread? .. Poontang shipped in on a truck! Hell yea lol give me a life sentence 😂
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I'm fairly certain the quote with the word, "poontang" was selected just so Simon would be forced to say it. 🤣
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Edit: I typed my comment below before Canada was Mentioned
In Canada they are called Private Family Visits and are held in Small Bungalows, in Fenced off Areas out on the Prison Grounds. There are extensive checks and interviews to establish that the Visitors are Related, or are of an Intimate Relationship. If approved, a Date is set, and when the Visitor(s) arrive they are given a thorough Inspection, of Person and any Luggage. Food for the Visit is provided by the Inmate, from their Monetary Fund. The houses are about 800 square feet, with 3 bedrooms. There is a fenced area to provide outdoor activities, like a Bar-Be-Que. During the Visit, which last up to 5 days, there are no Visits by Guards, but there are occasional phone calls, which will request, and appearance of Inmate to appear at either a Door or Window. While the Inmate provides the Food, any leftover Food stays in the house and the next Inmate can use it. Some Items like additional Toiletries can be requested if need be. During a visit, photos can be requested and the Prison will supply a Camera and someone to take Photos. These Family Visits certain do help Inmates and their Families bonded. Eventually most will be released, and if they have no Support Network, they will almost certainly re-offend.
Here in New Mexico, many of our prisons are privately run.. that is a whole other can of worms...
That seems like a catch 22 with the clothing rule.
Don't wear form fitting clothing.
...Sooooo baggy clothing that could potentially be hiding things?
.....NO! ......
You are going to be thoroughly x-rayed and otherwise magnetically scanned, as well as strip searched.
@@jamesdunkerson2908 I get that. I know that the security for any prison and TSA have very similar equipment and MO.... But I'm just saying it sounds counter-intuitive out of context. I completely understand the logic behind it as well as the precautionary measures in place for dealing with the other extreme. But it's like, out of context, the "no shoes, no shirt, no service." doesn't include pants......... Put back into social context, the general public would expect one to be wearing something below.
@@steeljawX Ah that probably explains why drugs are easier to get in them than on the street then if they are as well equipped as the TSA should catch around 5% of the large packages going in I suppose that is about the TSA's success rates with the test items they use to see if it actually works at all hint it doesn't thus the 95% being missed lol. No worries though they are saving you all from not paying through the nose for airline bottled water by ensuring none gets on board.
@@seraphina985 That comes full circle though. Dunno if you've seen TIFO's vid on why airliner seats and windows never align, but that'd probably add to the whole thing. If flights aren't getting the airlines money because there's less people on them (0), then they'll just shove seats on top of seats on top of seats!!!! SEAT-CEPTION!!! That way you can have a whole whopping 4x's more people on a flight than befo- oh s*it, that's still 0... But they can now lose 4x's more luggage! Hashtag (not really) effish-ent solutions?
@@steeljawX Heh I think the taking the water thing is far more to make the security theatre look like it is doing something and stop people questioning whether it actually catches anything that would have the potential to pose a threat if it were a real scenario. Probably wise to distract them with the show too as the reports on actual effectiveness make it clear the show is all there is only catching 5% of the parts in some tests are bad enough the kicker in most of the test reports I've read it wouldn't even prevent assembly of a viable device from the parts that did get through for example only catching one of two trigger mechanisms, guess how many it takes to make things go bang yup 1. Though yes sure they would probably be losing some flexibility there if I recall that example the dummy used in that test one was a timer module and the other a barometric trigger (Air pressure trigger)
Your beard looks quite magnificent in this video.
Google
Poontang:
Noun-
a woman or women regarded solely in terms of potential sexual gratification.
French: Putain- "prostitute" than turned to poontang 1920 America
I always thought it had a more specific meaning
“Land of the free”... “most inmates in the world”
Underrated comment right here.
Truuuuuuuuuu
Land of the Incarcerated
Compare it to European countries, that actually try to rehabilitate the prisoners instead of lock them in a cage and punish them. Europe has less inmates and those inmates live way better lives.
@@ReallyBrotha Even the ones who aren't that great at rehabilitating prisoners (like Italy) have waaaaaaaaaay less prisoners than the US because prison is reserved for actual criminals, not just everyone who breaks a law. Locking up an otherwise law-abiding teen because he was found with a couple grams of weed is retarded no matter what your stance on drugs is.
And there's nothing more exquisite than when I get my 14 minute conjugal visit!
Tyler Dollarhide
So what do you do with the other 12 minutes?
Dammit! You beat me to the comment!
he begs her to stop laughing for the next 12 minutes
@@markcrider7550 If she comes to the prison and puts out, who cares if she laughs?
Man: Pulls out dick
Woman: "Who do you think you're gonna satisfy with that little thing?"
Man: "Me."
In Germany conjugal visits are perfectly normal. Separating the spouse from his or her mate is a punishment for both. But there is no reason to punish an innocent spouse, they didn't commit a crime. So THEY have the right to see the spouse. That automatically grants the inmate to see the spouse as well- logically.
pruna blue pepper That’s just flawed logic. Children shouldn’t have to go without their father either. That doesn’t mean we don’t lock them up so they can raise their children. If that’s the actual reasoning in Germany I might suggest they’re overcompensating for some odd reason.
@@anydaynow no they just treat prisoners like humans. We've come a long way from WW2, you know.
The spouse that committed the crime is the one who ultimately punishes their own spouse by getting locked up. Maybe someone should care more about being with their family and not commit crimes. And how about the surviving spouse of someone who is murdered? Would you be happy to know the person that killed your spouse, who you will now never see again, still gets to see their spouse because we wouldn't want to punish the spouse that is innocent? That's bullshit
@@jennh2096 it's unfair for sure. But law and life is not always fair. Law is usually a balance of rights.
The punishment is imprisonment. There is no additional punishment on top of that that says "no contact". Law philosophy is a tricky thing for sure.
@@anydaynow -I’m sorry I’m gonna have to disagree with you as well. Now I’m in Australian German, so I know both sides of the story here and believe me you would want to much rather save your time in a German prison where they treat you like a human, then I’m not the one that treat you like absolute rubbish with the minimum.
Strange I would have though the more form-fitting the clothes, the harder to hide things and therefore the more desirable it would be. I suppose this is one reason I am not the warden of a prison...
It's probably to avoid inciting inmates in the visitation area.
@bryan diaz varela So, how many guards do you think there are vs prisoners? I'll give you a hint, most prisons the inmates outnumber the guards 50:1 Why would you tempt unruly behaviour? Even if you had a ridiculous 1:1 prisoner guard ratio, unless you want to beat them into submission constantly, it's best not to incite anything.
And that's before you take into account that beating an out of control prisoner might just escalate things. _Especially_ if they are part of a gang.
@bryan diaz varela Are you dense? How would a prison be able to operate within costs with that many guards? I'm not even going to address your nonsense about homeless people. I'm pretty sure you're just being stupid on purpose to try and get a rise out of me, well, that won't work.
For a brief period in Texas we had a similar program for minsec inmates. They were called something like halfway houses and the idea was the prisoners towards the very end of their sentences who had been good and were high likelihood parole candidates were allowed to visit family in small houses on the prison grounds (still within the walls). The family members arrived a day beforehand and set up the house under guard supervision, everything was searched, and then the inmate would be allowed to go there for whatever length of time was approved by the warden. I don't know when that program was discontinued or even when it started, but the houses are still there. They're just used for storage nowadays.
Wow Simon taking about nuclear warheads is giving me anxiety
I’ll just listen Simon talk about congigal visits
TL;DR
Love your friends and family. Never take them for granted.
Wealthy men profiting from keeping fellow men locked up in a cage. How incredibly disturbing.
Not just wealthy men, anyone can buy stocks and profit.
I was against conjugal visits, until that last line about destroying marriages and families not being a part of the sentence. Didnt think I would have my world view shook.
Thank you for the Bonus Facts - specifically the mention of the privatization of prisons. I find it sad the focus is punitive rather than rehabilitation.
Depending on the crime, sometimes it should be nothing more than punitive, and a need to protect the public from violent offenders. R@pists, child abusers, murderers, etc, should be punished, and are also unlikely to be rehabilitated. The punishment aspect is also to give some sense of justice to their victims.
I spent some time in prison in mexico in tepec. you could pay to have your family or lover visit you any night of the week and as often as you want, provided you pay for the privilege, which at the time was about 200 pesos.
I don't know what I was most intrigued by this video- Simon's smooth pronunciation of "recidivism", his beard, or hearing him say "poontang".
Great Meadow Correctional Facility!!! I grew up just down the road in Fort Ann. I knew lots of people who worked there.
NY.
One of your best, Simon!
At 2:15 and the list of offenses that would prevent conjugal visits has already excluded 99.9% of all prisoners in the US. Most have had several previous arrests which SURELY includes at least one violation that prohibits them from those visits. I will say that I really like Great Britain's view on re-acclimating prisoners to normal life before release. Most released prisoners fall right back into what they know best to make money and end up right back in prison. Of course, these are guys and girls who stole or sold drugs, making a lot of money, and they don't want to work for $10-12/hr and return to their bs.
@Jody Owen
In Germany they get access to therapy, education and vocational training, transitional housing and the opportunity to pay taxes again.
The "Prison for profit" business model has extended into immigration facilities as well. Companies like GEO are huge profiteers.
It is all bad....
Government prisons aren't any better. The problem is transparency of operations, not who pays the power bill. Private or government if the policies and actions took were public knowledge or at least freely available to the families it would have a huge effect.
With the income tax, you don't need prisons any longer to make slaves out of citizens.
This is a very well researched and put together video.
I don't like many things on youtube. But this needed my like. Srsly folks, these programs are positive society.
Wow, interesting video, now we know..Beard looks great!!
The reason that extended visits are so effective at reducing recidivism is becuase they strengthen the connection between the prisoner and their families. These bonds are the glue holding society together. Criminal activity is ultimately just extreme antisocial behaviour. It is activity that is harmful to society.
Isolating a person by putting them in a cage for months or years does not promote pro-social attitudes or behaviours in that person. Family visitation is one way to mitigate the naturally antisocializing effects of imprisonment.
A horrible bill got pushed through the New Mexico legislature a week or two ago. It started out great, treating PTSD in police and corrections officers, but certain amendments were tacked on that basically adds mandatory jail time for certain offenses, including for first time offenders with mental illness--which means it could affect me and many people I care about ssf directly. I heard an interview with a man who has served jail time, and he pointed out that increased penalties are not a consideration for anyone about to take any action except maybe in chess, gaming, or other strategic situations. That goes along so well with your points about privatized prisons and so on.
Our politicians need to hear this. Great stuff Simon
Interesting but always really depressing. Honestly, for-profit, privately owned/run prisons should really be outlawed here (in the US). The level of inmate neglect, abuse and exposure to violence in these types of prisons is just ridiculous. Some of them even have *no* and I repeat *no* on-site medical staff - relying on on-call doctors or nurses from local hospitals. These facilities also usually have atrocious standards in terms of nutrition and the like and, as mentioned in the video, they rarely if ever offer educational opportunities for inmates, in spite of the fact that (again as mentioned) educational opportunities to the incarcerated have been thoroughly proven to be the best anti-recidivism strategies employable. In addition to the aforementioned deficiencies, for-profit prisons also have very few official govt standards to meet when it comes to the training of the employees - everyone from the cooking and cleaning staff to the actual prison guards can pretty much be trained however each individual institution sees fit. Which of course should cause it to be no surprise that these same for-profit prisons also report the largest number of prison riots and major disturbances and instances of guard to prisoner mistreatment/abuse/sexual assault.
You pretty much have prisons run by corporations who are trying to operate as cheaply as possible by way of providing the bare minimum of prisoner care and employing a totally unqualified and also massively underpaid staff. What could possibly go wrong?
(note that we do the same thing with regard to the facilities that house undocumented immigrants apprehended inside the US while they are awaiting deportation.)
ZorkWHouse81 - Well said!
I've worked for two different private prison systems, as well as State run prisons.
Both private prison systems served better food than State prisons. The reason for this is both of the private systems I worked for didn't rely on the "good old boy contracts" for food product purchases.
Additionally both private prisons had staff of all sort encouraging the inmates to take advantage of school, job training, and work experience programs.
Additionally State Prison Inspectors were much harder on private prisons to be up to standard than they were on State prisons.
There is no doubt under the sun that I recieved better and more extensive education to work at the private prison systems then at the State prisons.
It is also the case that the more difficult inmates to manage are dumped on private prisons. I'm sure that isn't what the official record says. But CO's at State Prisons well openly say (well not so openly as to be in the official record) that the trouble makers need to go to such and such private prison.
You need to quit getting your info from anarchists
Who have between zero and nil grip on reality.
In The Netherlands, prisons are government owned. Goals are retaliation for commited crimes and security for civilians against criminals. The aim is to prevent repetition and a proper return to civilisation by focusing on education, work experience and therapy. So far they're even closing prisons because the number of inmates is decreasing. Of course not perfect (the general public feels sentences are too light and prisoners aren't "punished" enough), but I'd say it's far better than a for profit privately owned prison if you ask me...
@@powerpuff_avenger de you meant to say retaliation??? Maybe not, i can't of a civilized country that has retaliated as part of the system.
I'm interested in prison systems. Not the public image and opinion. I'm retired now but worked in prisons for many years.
"Look, Peggy, they got board games. If I didn't have to go to work everyday, I'd come here."
Nice transition to that add at 13 minutes by the way 😂. Well played 👌🏽
Thank you for your Channel update God bless you
The boom in prison population had a LOT to do with republican "tough on crime" politicians. Probably not at all related (eyeroll) was the push to privatize prisons as well which meant that high prison populations made some people a lot of money. The fact that conjugal visits reduced the chances that people returned to prison *might* have something to do with why they were eliminated in so many places, again considering the fact that high prison populations were part of the goal.
I wonder if the crime bill signed by Clinton and pushed by our now president had ANY effect on it? Given the fact that the terms in that bill locked people up for life sentences for selling weed, I'd say yes. Yes it did. I think we the people, need to know it's ALL political figures. Not Republicans or Democrats. But all of them. They all don't give a shit about us regular people. Just a thought. Have a day.
I think I’m missing something with Simon in the Technicolor Dreamcoat in thumbnail.
It's the Kramer pimp coat. :-) You should never miss any opportunity to include the Kramer pimp coat. th-cam.com/video/yRIVzA27lA0/w-d-xo.html :-) -Daven
Today I Found Out oh holy shit I forgot Pimp Kramer existed, I remember that episode he was minding the coat for a Joseph and the Dreamcoat production.
u popped off with those bonus facts my boy thank you
We have a saying here in Florida. Come on vacation, recieve a violation, and go home with probation. Some even take the last step and return with a revocation.
500% return on the education program? That's an investment I could back lol
The first time I heard of the term, "Conjugal Visit" is in Space Force.
I'm sharing this everywhere! I don't have any real experuence with pruson and there are numbers and facts here that I've never heard before!
God bless you for that amazing bonus material.
American jails also function as a modern replacement for slavery, which has been a backbone of the country since its early days of duping settlers onto transports to the colonies under the guise of indentured servitude (whose duration miraculously keeps extending due to broken tools, late fees and other faked cost extensions.) Inmates are used as free or low paid labor, and attempts to progress beyond this are resisted in many places by local law enforcement because of the benefit of having this labor force. To speak nothing of the antiquated good ol' boys mentality that if you're in prison, you're obviously evil and deserve misery.
The US is a fucking ridiculous country. Things like these privatized prisons are a reason why I will not view the USA as a first world country. It's a shithole. They don't even have healthcare that doesn't make you go bankrupt.
Yeah but they got guns *pew*pew*
@@fuckinantipope5511 better then taxes that make you go bankrupt without a choice or chance
spot on... sometimes these are fun, frivolous, trivial facts, and i dig those, too, but this is important and you covered it really well... i've been a subscriber for a while, but this got me to join the notification squad... thanks for standing up and saying something today...
A visit from your family is priceless.
The hardest part by far is having to go back to your bunk afterwards.......
My compliments to whoever made this thumbnail. Simon the Pimp is amazing 🤣
Letting a prisoner some time to get his rocks off or see his family to keep his morale up and his aggression out? I don't think its a bad thing.
You know a better way of handling that prisoner so they don't commit the crime again - have execution as the sentence for most crimes. Start killing people and doing it effectively, not the bs 30 years it takes to kill someone now and you will see that the one who have committed the crime won't re-offend and you also give people an incentive no to commit a crime to begin with
I had a few visits myself, they are great and help both parties.
Where are you located? We dont have them in massachusetts. Tho it is possible to get one off if the guard isbt looking
@@Mikefantasia22 fairy
I'm from Toronto, Canada .
"greet and help both party's"
great
parties
@@benjaminbruce4908 sure buddy
I learned so much from this!!
I try to visit friends and family as often as possible,, and have only ever made one visit that was not behind glass. And that one had seats behind these lines, and if you move on the chair too much, like lean forward toward each other, they tell people to leave.
Side note: Japanadian, if you're out there, GREAT username. Genuine 9/10.
I agree!
I must know this... For research purposes, of course!
13:25 You almost gave me whiplash from that transition.
The bonus facts in this one are fascinating
All I could think of is the movie Life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence. 😂.
Hell ya great movie
At my age its the Movie Stir Crazy with Pryor and Wilder.
Mr. MOORE that is a classic. One of my favorites!
Perhaps prisoners should be there to be rehabilitated rather than punished.
An even earlier example (17th and 18th centuries) in the US was debtors prison where inmates could have their families with them. At this time any inmate comforts and food did have to come from the inmates, their families, or friends. The prison didn’t provide anything as a rule other than the physical lockup. In many cases the inmates could sign out during the day for the purpose of earning money for paying back the debt. This system was detailed in a published Maine midwife’s diary whose husband was a surveyor that fell on hard times and ended up in debtors prison for a while.
Your videos are remarkable.
Back in the 90's when the NYS prison where I was working implemented a "family reunion program" and put up a sign announcing it, one of the CO's added his own sign below it saying "Breeding Job Security For Corrections Employees". I laughed my ass off when I came to work that day but, needless to say, the Superintendent was not amused.
I have one for you... Could you please find out the origins of the phase "cross my heart and hope to die" ?????
It has a religious history, "cross my heart and hope to die" the cross is a christian symbol, you are swearing an oath in the eyes of God. "Stick a needle in my eye" simply came along later as simply a rhyming part that also is accepting any consequences for breaking the oath.
A friend of my brother who was in jail (prison? He was serving at the time) was allowed two days out to attend his funeral last year
Thank you
that graph at 8:10 is disgusting.
What about it
the drastic increased rate.
It's shocking isn't it.
well maybe people shouldnt commit crimes and this wouldnt happen.
@@apracity7672 wow, did you miss the point.
OK Simon, I need to know when the hell the word 'poontang' and similar were first used!
I thought conjugal visits were established primarily because back in the day, if a married woman's husband was imprisoned, in a highly religious period, she could not have relations outside that marriage, could not get divorced (not easily at least), not that many would marry a divorced woman anyway, so depriving a woman of certain marital rights was punishing her as well.
Another factor in sky-high recidivism is that electronic record keeping has made background checks by landlords and employers both inexpensive and ubiquitous. In most instances, those landlords and employers typically make no distinction among types or vintages of offenses. Any felony record in a person's past of any kind, no matter how long ago, automatically exclude that person from consideration. Left with at best marginal opportunities to secure for themselves the basics of human life, ex-cons are highly incentivized to commit the same sort of offenses that originally led to their incarceration. A felony conviction in the US is a life sentence for most offenders, regardless of the crime. Why bother trying to stay clean when no one gives them a chance?
US prison population keeps rising, even though the crime rate keeps going down. Hmmm.
I don't know what Simon decided to do with his beard, but I like it.
Grow it.
Juat looks thicker
@@damenwhelan3236 He might just be in a transitional period. A guy I know did that and his 'in between' looked just like that.
I don't care for it myself. Though I'm not the one wearing it :)
Only topic that I trust Simon on
In Canadian federal prison system they issue a safe injection drug kit on day one with bleach,water,metal spoon,and instructions.
They were supposed to contain two needles as well ,but the guards union used the same "harm reduction" argument that created the program to get the needles removed.... I think that sums up the modern prison experience pretty good.
I'm "How To Basic".
Moreso than private prisons, police and prison guard unions are massive and lobby for more crimes and longer sentences to justify increased staffing.
As far as I know in Finland visits with children are a separate thing from conjugal visits. They are in a big playroom, not a hotel room like place, and there is a guard in the background so it's not completely private. (My cousin visited his father in prison a few times but didn't really like it)
It’s honestly nice to think that most prisoners do still retain a moral compass.