Should you allow someone to lay hands or pray over you as a Catholic?
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- Do you realize that a demon can transfer from one person to another through the laying on of hands?
In this video, I share why you should be cautious of allowing a lay person who has ZERO authority over to to lay hands their hands on you or pray over you.
Stepping outside of our authority as lay Catholics is DANGEROUS and should be avoided.
👉🏼Share your thoughts with me in the comments.
This video we talk about the idea of laying hands on or over someone who IS NOT under your authority
We must be careful as the laity not to engage in behaviors or thinking that blurs the lines of authority between us and the ordained. Authority keeps us safe. When we step outside of authority (🫣I am looking at you Eve) we are vulnerable and the enemy is always at the ready waiting for us to be unprotected. Resist him.
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👉🏼time mark 42:33 - Laying on of hands is also dangerous as opens the door to the occult (Blai offers a horrific example of what can happen).
“The breaking of rights and casting out/away of evil spirits is generally referred to as “spiritual warfare” or deliverance work. Deliverance prayers should only be used by someone trained and approved to do so. Catholic laity are not to pray “over” (or lay hands on) another person, they can pray for that person only. There are exceptions to this when someone has been deemed to have a charism for deliverance work and has permission. A special ritual within the Catholic Church, called exorcism, is done by priests with the permission of their Bishop for cases of full possession only.”
Adam Blai, a peritus or expert of religious demonology and exorcism for the Diocese of Pittsburgh
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About ten years ago I was a parishioners at a Charismatic Catholic Church which brought in Theophostic Prayer Ministry (a Protestant based) into the parish and there was a great deal of this placing of the hands on fellow parishioners for "Spiritual healing especially traumatic ones". The pastoral director and fellow group of priest advocated for this. When I discovered it was protestant based I made a decision to leave this particular church. To be fair much of these prayer was with asking the intercessory from Jesus if it matter. Left the Church for couple years and joined a different parish later while still searching for authenticity and answers about what was happening to our church. What a blessing it is to have Fr, Ripperger he explained much of this in one of his conferences. It truly opened my eyes to the legality of the spiritual world. Great post, Deena!!! It triggered memories for me and my journey.
Can you please share the video you mentioned of father ripperger. Thank you!
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Thank you for sharing the wisdom that God has led you to.
Very well done and timely, Deena. 👍
Thank You Deena. You have learned much. Ave Maria !!!!!
A lay person should never place their hands on another person to pray over them. As far as confronting the demonic , that should only be done by a priest preferably an exorcist. What I have found in healing ministry is that very often there are deep woulds that can be healed through intercessory prayer and anointing with blessed oil. The demonic cling to wounds, when these wounds are healed or at least partially healed the demonic has less to cling to. It can be the beginning of a deliverance. Following that up with deliverance with a priest / exorcist can be extremely fruitful. The healing portion should be discerned and confirmed by a priest that the healing Charism is authentic and should work in the confines if the ministry of the exorcist whom the faithful are supporting and working with.
Deliverance is always a group effort. The laity have a role , but it is never to confront the demonic head on by themselves. The authority is Christs authority that has been given and works through a priest/ exorcist. Any exorcist who is wise will tell you that the worst mistake they could possibly make is to begin to think that they are the one casting out demons. It is Christ through the exorcist.
I would also note the ministry of Baptism in the Holy Spirit in the Charismatic sense. In this case they are no confronting demons , rather it is intercessory prayer in which people will pray over others to receive the Holy Spirit in a new way. But to lay hands in a person as a priest would , or to confront demons head on is never a good idea for any lay person to do . There are different gifts, and different ministries, but the lay person can never take the place of the authority given to the priest over the demonic realm.
This women os right, it can be extremely dangerous and open not only you up bit your whole family up to unwanted activity.
But again , there are other ministries were a lay person does pray over others, but even in those the person should never impose hands the way a priest would.
It is amazing the number of people who go with the me-myself-and-I belief when it comes to church teachings. "Well, I don't think it is wrong." Talk about the slippery slope which brings to where we are with many catholics becoming nothing more than protestant-catholic at best
i really like your mention of a wife having ownership over their husbands. such a beautiful dynamic
My, I used to be prayed over and prayed over others years ago. I had understood at that time that we needed to be careful of who prayed over us, but won't ever do this again. I just went to Confession yesterday but had never thought about confessing this as sin from many years ago.
This happened or I experienced this(praying over and extending hands) frequently enough in the NO parish I used to go to (now I attend a TLM parish).Oddly enough attended a Presbyterian church briefly in my youth and don't remember them ever doing this.
I've seen it in non denominational and protestant churches. I cannot speak for others but God had shown me that many of these errors are purposely done by those who have infiltrated the churches. It's a sad state of affairs.
Very good explanation regarding imprecatory and deprecatory prayers. Thank you. I remember things in the same way, so that will help me as well.
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Deena, this video has really concerned me. At our church on the women's retreat, we like to pray for each other in small groups where the woman desiring prayer sits in the center and asks for prayer over what she needs help with or her life situations. We always felt that it was a comforting and supportive gesture for the women who were praying with and for her to put a hand on her shoulder. Is this the same thing you are talking about? We are not commanding demons or anything, just sharing prayer. Again, is this situation out of our authority?
@Joanie Rauch I think it’s concerning what you’ve shared.
Spiritual Authority matters and when we as the laity step outside of authority (praying over or laying hands on someone we have zero authority over) we can invite diabolical consequences to our actions.
Be careful.
The laity have no business acting in a way that mimics the priesthood - especially over someone who isn’t under your authority.
I highly recommend reading Fr. Ripperger’s book Dominion.
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In the description box of this video are several resources.
From Jesse Romero who has done work in this area:
For someone that you come in contact with (in public) that needs prayer:
1) don't put your hands on their hand (because they are not under your spiritual authority) and don't put your hands on their body (there could be a diabolical transference).
2) You can place a crucifix (or other sacramental) on their shoulder or neck (thats why I always carry a blessed St Benedict Crucifix with me). Or have them hold your crucifix and just gaze upon it.
3) Pray a *deprecatory prayer* for them asking "God the Father, Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, Our Lady, the Saints, the Angels to heal them and liberate them from any evil.
The reason we use a sacramental like a crucifix instead of our hands because the sacramental is blessed and gives actual grace, my hands are not blessed (unlike a Priest).
The only exception is that you can lay hands on your wife and children because they are under your authority, your house is your domestic Church and you are the priest of the home. Over your wife and children you can pray imprecatory prayers: "I bless you in the name of the Father..." or "I command you evil spirit as head of this house to be gone in Jesus name...."
Over those that are not under your spiritual authority you would have to do a *deprecatory prayer*
example: "May God bless you in the name of the Father..." or "May Our Lord Jesus Christ drive out any evil spirit that is tormenting you..."
@@ACatholicWife Ok. Thank you. I guess the confusion is that we never viewed it as "praying over" and never knew there was any authority we were stepping outside of. I saw your reply to Mary Williams regarding praying for those she is giving a massage to. So, in an instance where someone is in your arms needing a hug and a prayer, that would be ok? This is what happens a lot. Thank you for your suggestions.
@Joanie Rauch praying for other people is what we are supposed to do as faithful Catholics who love the Lord.
Prayer is powerful and we shouldn’t stop praying.
What we have to be mindful of is thinking we have authority *over* the person we are praying for.
All prayers for people who you aren’t directly responsible for should be deprecatory not imprecatory.
"An imprecatory prayer is one in which *I command* the demons to leave.
A deprecatory prayer is one in which *I petition* Jesus, Our Lady to drive the demons out.
If I have authority, I can pray an imprecatory prayer. If I don't then I should pray a deprecatory prayer"
(Fr Ripperger; "Freedom through Christ - a Catholic approach to Liberation" p.130).
@@ACatholicWife Well thankfully none of our prayer experiences included imprecatory prayers. We will make an effort to educate everyone on this starting today and make sure that no one can be seen as trying to act as a priest. Thank you again Deena.
@Joanie Rauch that’s good! Definitely check out Fr. Ripperger’s videos and his new book if you’re interested in learning more.
I was once part of a charismatic group very early in my faith where people prayed over other people. I think it is because we all had good will that nothing terrible happened, but it could have.
@Curindu and you had no authority to “pray over” people. I think it’s absolutely reckless when people engage in spiritual warfare without understanding what they’re doing and the ramifications for stepping outside of authority.
I think that is where the influence of my situation came in. So many years ago, groups of people involved in charismatic ministry in our parish practised this and passed it on to others and there was no one to point out the error!
@Joanie Rauch I am a firm believer in when we know better we do better and we teach others.
From Fr. Ripperger:
“When I was in Omaha as their exorcist, I would regularly have to clean up people who were usually involved in the charismatic renewal. I’m pretty benign to the people in the Charismatic renewal even though I think their formation is flawed, and I think that their theology is Protestant and not Catholic in many ways, which you can see in my forthcoming book at some point about that. I’m about five chapters out left to finish that book. But on charismatic graces and what they are because it’s really misunderstood. But I used to have to clean them up regularly because people would come to me having imposed hands or tried to cast demons out. They were only lay people and they would end up getting taken to the woodshed, and so you’d have to clean them up, and in other places that I’ve talked to, there were places that were doing kind of charismatic things in relationship to how they were trying to heal people and they said, “we’re getting all sorts of retaliation”. So, I’d go there, and I would ask, “okay what are you doing, how are you doing this”. And once I told them stop doing these things, but continue doing these things, or do these other things, once they started doing that, they actually had greater success in their work in helping people to become healed, even though they weren’t overstepping their bounds on the authority issue.”
Just compleated "Life In The Spirit" seminar. We had a stranger on the last night who was invited because he said he had the gift of knowing what gifts everyone was given. He imiately started shouting at us saying it is not he who is speaking, but the holy spirit!!!
Were we to instantly trust that what he was saying was true??!!
He prayed over each of us and loudly exclaimed what each of us got!!!
He told me I was going to be a Youth Minister / or mineestring to the youth!!!....... A calling I don't feel at all!!!!! Also he was getting our Prayer leader to write down what each of us got!!!
I left at the end feeling troubled and perplexed!!!!!
I am now planning to talk to a priest to ask for further decernment.
@cloverfield911 I would definitely recommend that you speak to a traditional priest.
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Excellent video. Thank you so much.
Thanks so much keep up the truth 🙏🙏🙏
In our small parish after communion and before the closing prayers, our priest will ask that anyone who is celebrating a birthday or wedding anniversary to come up for a blessing. He does use Holy Water. However, he does ask the congregation to extend their hands during the blessing. From this video, I am assuming this is still wrong since the congregation extends their hands. Am I correct?
I do appreciate this information.
You are correct, we should not be extending our hands to bless other congregants at mass. The priest is wrong to ask us to do that.We have not spiritual authority or commission to do that over non family members.
Fr. Alar had a video with Explaining the Faith where he discussed the laity laying on our hands and it was removed! Has anyone seen this and know how to access it again? It’s a helpful tool when dialoguing with other Catholics.
Went to a church and the Priest announced after mass that the prayer group were "available to pray for us," apparently individually and had
designated chairs ready for each participant...in front of the tabernacle which is located to the left side of the Altar....I politely said no. I love my Priest(s)yet i do question what they allow when i see "add ons" i never grew up with.... Im not scrupulous yet im more aware of the proper teachings of Catholicism.
I also listen to Fr. R. Hes extremely knowledgeable as hes an exorcist
Question: Do we as parents bless our single adult children who live at home? One of my adult children is special needs? Ty Deena i even posted this on Quora and everyone was ok with laying of hands. They had said yeah...as long as its not an apostolic blessing or a ritual of ordained clergy. ugh!
@A V I would say that a special needs adult child of yours who lives at home is still under your authority. It is my understanding that would be appropriate to pray imprecatory prayers.
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@@ACatholicWife thank you Deena for the both the link and the response. -AV
Hi Deena, would praying with my husband (we pray for each other) while we hold hands okay?
I think that’s beautiful. I don’t see anything wrong with that but as always check with your priest if you have any concerns.
Have a blessed weekend 🩵
I work at a Catholic preschool and we start the day by making the sign of the cross with holy water on their heads and saying “Good morning, may you come to know how much God loves you.” Thoughts?
@Shelly Hoying I think that is *completely inappropriate*
You have no spiritual authority over these children.
Why not teach them to bless themselves and you pray for them?
@@ACatholicWife I will change starting tomorrow. Honestly not something I had ever heard about before today. It’s something that was in place when I started and I’ve always continued. Will have them do their own tomorrow. I can’t find it in the catechism. Can you point me in the right direction?
What should a person do if somebody allowed lay person to lay hands over him/her ?
I would simply say no thank you.
Better to hurt their feelings than allow them to do something they have no authority to do.
I was patiently waiting for your video Deena thank you 🙂. So I have a question, up to what age can a mother pray over their children?
Sometimes my mom blesses my children with holy water on their foreheads, is this okay also or should I only be doing it?
@Evelyn R grandparents *do not have authority* over their grandchildren.
You as their mother have authority. You can pray imprecatory prayers over them.
Your parents can pray deprecatory prayers for them.
I highly recommend Fr. Ripperger’s book Dominion to get a more comprehensive perspective of this important topic.
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I say no. Like said in the video, grandparents have no authority over grandchildren. Kids can make their own sign of the cross, on themselves, with grandma’s holy water. Honestly don’t do what I say, talk to a priest or read from a good resource, like Deena suggest.
So question, my mom loves to put the sign of the cross on my family before we leave her house. How do I politely ask her not to without offending her? She attends NO and is already not in agreement with us attending the TLM, even though I’ve asked her and my dad to attend and experience the Mass for themselves before she forms an opinion. I know if I don’t handle this the right way it will make her not like the Tradition even more or even cause a rift between us.
@Ana this is a hard scenario but one that you can easily flip this around from the lens of you offending her to your mother continuing to push her beliefs about your shared faith without concern for how you practice the faith.
I had an EXTREMELY head strong mother and she could be easily offended.
Sadly, I am not unfamiliar with this dynamic in a mother/daughter relationship.
This is a topic that I’ll discuss in a video as words & meaning can get misconstrued in a TH-cam thread.
I’ll leave you with this to ponder - is it worse to share the truth and possibly offend people or is worse to hold the truth because of the push back/attack/ridicule/judgement we may endure and offend God?
Be respectful of your mother and father - no doubt.
But you aren’t a child anymore.
Their *opinions* should be inconsequential to you and your faith.
You have your own family to protect and help your husband lead to heaven above all and anyone else.
What exactly is it that she doesn’t like about the traditions of the Church?
@@ACatholicWife she won’t specify. She will leave the room, roll her eyes, etc. if I start talking about TLM or our traditions. I’ve tried talking about it and she just shuts down. My dad actually grew up in the TLM and should know better but for the sake of peace won’t speak up or attend with us either. I’ve never tried to force it or anything, We just love it so much and know that it is absolutely the proper Mass, the way the Mass was intended to be. I want to share it with them.
Thank you
So from this video, (thank you; another great one on a topic I was unfamiliar with,) does that mean laying of hands before resting in the Spirit is also off limits?
My husband wants a divorce. Can I use one of these prayers ? New to the traditional catholic faith or catholic for that matter. Please guide me. I'd love some prayers I could pray for us.
Hi! Thank you so much for this video. I just bought the Deliverance Prayers book, and have been using the binding prayers for my son and daughter. Would you happen to know when we say the binding prayers, do we bind the spirit over the different behaviors? Or do we bind the behavior itself. For example would someone say “.. bind you demon of Mental Illness..” or “bind you demon of depression” which would be the actual manifestation listed under spirit of mental illness? Also, my daughter is 24, and does not live with us. She is not married. Do I still have authority over her? Thanks. Hope you get this message
My parents and in-laws will bless us with the sign of the cross and my kids… with their hands. They shouldn’t be doing that to either us or my kids?
What about in the context of a Catholic healing mass under a Catholic priest to pray for the sick?
@De De I would seek counsel from a traditional Catholic priest on this matter.
My question is in regards to the Retailaton Pray. Can you pray this prayer every day along with the other prayers you pray from this book?
@Judy Graham you can pray this every day.
Deena, my daughter is 23 and single, can I pray over her or I’m not allowed anymore
@Floridiansince1994 pray *for* your daughter not over her or lay hands on her.
I highly recommend Fr. Ripperger’s book Dominion. It’ll give you a more comprehensive understanding of spiritual warfare and authority.
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@@ACatholicWife thank you!!
Does anyone know were I can get Fr Ripengers pray for Scrupulousity?
@Judy Graham I’m sorry but I don’t. I found this online and hope it’ll be helpful:
Rules for the Scrupulous Person to Follow
1. Do not repeat a sin in confession when it has been told in a previous confession even if you doubt it was told, or doubt it was told in a sufficiently adequate and complete way.
2. Do not tell doubtful sins in confession, only clear and certain ones.
3. Do not repeat your penance after confession, or any of the words of your penance, on the score that you were distracted or may not have said the words properly.
4. Do not worry about breaking your fast before receiving our Lord in Holy Communion unless you actually put food and drink in your mouth and swallow it in the same way you do when you eat a meal.
5. Do not hesitate to look at any crucifix or statue in church, at home, or anywhere else, for fear that you receive bad thoughts in your mind or imagination. If such thoughts come they are not sinful at all.
6. Do not consider yourself guilty of bad thoughts, desires or feelings unless you can honestly swear under oath before the all-truthful God that you remember clearly and certainly consenting to them.
7. Do not disobey your confessor when he tells you never to make another general confession of past sins already confessed.
8. Act on the belief that whenever you are in doubt as to whether or not you are obliged to do or not to do something; you can take it as certain that you are not obliged.
9. If, before you perform or omit an act, you are doubtful whether or not it is sinful for you, you shall assume as certain that it is not sinful and shall proceed to act without any dread of sin whatever.
10. You shall put your total trust in Jesus Christ knowing that He loves you as only God can love, and that He has no intention of letting you lose your soul.
11. Remember: feelings, impulses and ideas are neither acts of the will nor accomplished facts.
12. Remember: temptations are not sins. Even Jesus was tempted by the Devil and never sinned.
Source: Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Catholic Church, established by the FSSP.
Fr. Ripperger’s video on Scrupulosity:
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@@ACatholicWife So now my question is what if you repeated the same sin and it was already absolved prior do you confess it again?
Can you recommend a prayer from Father's book that I can pray?
Deena, I attend a NO church and will be a catechumen this Fall. A young catechumen and his sponsor recently go up to the front and the priest will ask us to pray for him for his journey into the Church. The sponsor will put her hand on his shoulder. Is this okay? And interesting video, I wasn't really aware that was an issue.
Yes, it should be fine if it was recently, as it is most likely a rite towards baptism for the catechumen called the Scrutinies. (Done in the 3rd, 4th and 5th Sunday of Lent.) The priest had authority and stated prayers of exorcism over the catechumen, it is not the sponsor stating them. (It is a Penitential rite) The sponsor is a representative, right hand, right shoulder, supporting the catechumen. I only suggest it as a possibility as it is the time to have recently completed these rites. As a congregation we are called to pray for those entering the Church. (But hands off if they are not under OUR authority. 😉)
@@youbetoobe8389 Thank you
Can I pray over my sister?
@Sarah Nicholas I would absolutely pray for your sister. Fr. Ripperger says siblings have authority in certain situations.
I would always advise you to be Cautious.
I highly recommend this book to get a better understanding of this topic as of pertains to authority:
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If you don’t have authority, you can always modify the prayer to petition Jesus or Our Lady by saying the prayer and invoking Jesus’ Name or Our Lady’s Name.
Fr. Ripperger advises that you focus on *your own spiritual life* and make sure you’re in a state of Grace before you start to intercede to pray for/over others outside your scope of authority.
“Whoever acts contrary to the principle of an order is deprived of the effects of that order.”
- St. Thomas Aquinas
Have a blessed weekend ♥️
No hands if it is not a priest.
@poetmaggie1 not entirely true.
Deena, thank so much for sharing! I have a couple of questions:
Years ago I attended a Catholic church where the priest would performed a healing mass on a monthly basis. After mass there would be ladies that had the chrism (spelling?) if tongues and would lay their hands on and pray over anyone that wanted help. I allowed this many times because of the suffering I was experiencing at the time. I now remember I did participate at least once placing my hands on someone while someone else lead a prayer.
What do you recommend?
I will definitely take this to reconciliation but how do I find a priest that will pray a prayer of exorcism over me? Calling my diocese isn’t much help.
Second question :
My husband has stopped going to mass. He will be going on a business trip to Las Vegas next week and I had planned on blessing him on his forehead with exorcised holy water (sign of the cross). Do I have the authority?
Thank you.
Your parents are allowed to do this however.
@turn2God not entirely accurate. The laying on of hands would depend on *if* they still had authority. Adult “children” are no longer under their parents authority.
I am a massage therapist and I pray for the person while I work with them. Is that ok?
@Mary Williams you can pray for anyone but the problem is when lay people think they have the authority to lay hands on someone and pray over them. That would be completely inappropriate behavior.