This is not only a prime example of sheer greed but just as bad is the damage it will do to other genuine charities who will have lost the trust of some of their donors . His daughter and her husband are an utter disgrace and for me they have been treated leniently while deserving every bit of criticism they receive.
@@catherinegriessel56well that’s not true. Yeah they pay people to work for them but at least that information is available and not a secret. They’re also family of the charitable cause, and people would naturally be inclined to trust them
@@stevie-c1471 The original commenter said "I won't donate just to pay the CEO's salary". I was pointing out that it is in fact reasonable for part of any donation made to a charity to go towards paying the charity's staff.
Former charity lawyer here. The problem is that people only really see negative stories like this and the, incorrectly, extrapolate to all charities. The reality is that the vast majority of charities are relatively small organisations run by very decent people who are not paid particularly well. But what people need to understand is that for a charity to grow, and for larger charities, it is necessary to employ people who have sufficient commercial experience to help build the organisation because, like it or not, charities are also businesses and have to compete for scarce funds. Good business people cost money. Finally, the days of charities getting most of their income from legacies are long gone, so they have to compete for grant funding and increasingly contracts for the delivery of services. Don’t be swayed by the few bad eggs, without charities the social safety net would be even weaker than it already is, they do a huge amount of good.
If the books were marketed as in support of the Sir Tom Moore Foundation, but no money went to it, surely that is at least obtaining money by deception? It can’t be right that his daughter is allowed to walk away with £1.5 million.
She wanted £150k as a charity director because that's the going rate for one in the UK. It's why I only give money to small local charities. I don't want my donation going to the salary of some " captain of industry" brought in to run a charity.
Here in Sweden I remember the head of the Red Cross was picking up a huge salary. Why do they need to pay, isn’t there any retired top manager that wants to show some goodwill late in life after building a fortune. Isn’t there a single one that can do that for two years and then pass it on to the next one? Wouldn’t that be nice in the UK too.
@@bokhans: In the Netherlands the blood bank chariry hired some doctor as head for more than 200k euro per year. There was outrage about that... But it doesn't really change and happens everywhere.
While 150K is not low it is hardly a captain of industry salery either average pay for FTSE 100 company CEO is £4.19 million. In some cases we talking organisations with turnover between 500 milion and a billion a year. Also you got at internal structure. If you reduce CEO pay to under 100K what do want the finance director, head of fundrasing, policy etc to earn? You got leave some space for wage differentation. If a charity is turning over more than 200 million I don't see the issue with a £150K salary. You don't want someone running a organisation of this size as a hobby for 2 years but someone who will commit a career to it, they need to be peoperly paid.
By removing charitable status the crown can tax the funds as income. By prosecuting for fraud or lesser crimes, the public can seize the funds, yes. Successful prosecution could lead to jail for fraud i suppose but unlikely. That's why the allegations from the report that they have damaged trust in charities is so important.
Not even the BIg Issue. In my area it's foreign dressed eastern European women, and I know the culture they come from. Who are dropped off outside local shops. I'm not supporting them in this activity...not one penny.
It’s your money, so you’re free to do whatever you like, but that’s a pathetic excuse. Spend an hour or two researching all the great charities that are very transparent and don’t pay large salaries and use those particular charities.
We have just checked what the CEOs are taking in wages have cancelled ALL charities and instead supporting local voluntary charities Nd local food banks homeless etc All the big charities not only CEOs and advertising. Best to give locally and from the heart
If you want to support a charity, donate to a small local one. Your local animal rescue etc. The money goes where its supposed to. Never donate to a charity that has a CEO.
Hannah should reach out to the resources available to her to help her with her issues and not rely on TH-cam to attempt to ban negative comments on her disgraceful behaviour
They should both be locked up, fleeced the general public out of £1.4 million, money that should have gone to hospitals and hospices instead went to their own pool and spa
I would have no issue with his family benefitting from the proceeds of his book after his death if it wasn't for the fact that it was marketed as a book that would be raising money for his charity and they've kept all of the proceeds for themselves. Not to even offer a contribution to charity in the face of all this scrutiny shows how brazen they are.
Yes, but given their profession they would have known that marketing the book as no or minimal money from book sales to charity would have massively reduced book sales.
Cannot help but wish we held corporations to the same level of scrutiny that we have held this family. 3 years! Wow. I’ve seen corrupt corporations skate by with not even a look at what they are doing.
1.4 million, sweet deal. You have to give it to the Ingram Moores, they played a blinder. I'm sure they'll enjoy that money in glorious isolation as nobody will want anything to do with them in the future. They've also tarnished the futures of their children and grandchildren. But I'm sure it was all worth it.
I worked in the charity sector for more than 20y, lastly as a non-financial auditor, boards snd trustees do make mistakes as the lady says, it would have been "cleaner" if the family had had as little hands on involvement as possible. In terms of obscenely high salaries, in my experience there were people like myself, who accepted a lower salary to work in the charity sector, when high numbers of ex-local authority officers and ex-civil servants became involved huge amounts of empire building went on, several layers of additional management were created and then the cronyism began.
This is a sign of our times.. People have no morals, our politicians have no morals and greed is king. Charities themselves are no longer really ethical these days either, the pay the top people get is outrageous
If sales of the book should have gone to the, Captain Tom Moore's charity then why wasn't there someone to make sure? But I think it was pure greedy and inane to build a spa pool for her own use. Surely the house was big enough to build one inside.
I thought when seeing her, particularly when she became more assertive in media appearances, ‘she has the look of Janice from The Sopranos’, the grasping sister of mob boss Tony. What also sticks in the craw are the ‘disgusted’ headlines by the UK tabloids, where were they and their claims of seekers of truth and investigation? Imagine if anyone had, really prior to the whole spa issue, raised any concerns. Especially if anyone or organization that they don’t like did so (which is most of them), they would have vilified and got death threats from the deranged who believe these rags.
No .And Captain Tom was honourd by Late Queen Elisabeth II To Captain Sir Tom Moore. His efforts during corona time. This really becomes a sad story. Good to see that he still walkes around. Hart warming. Keep up the appearenses Sir Captain T.Moore.
I wonder how many people dismiss us old cynics who saw what this was from the beginning. Not gloating in my cynicism as I have experience from experience on human nature. One of the other things might upset everyone is old Tom was probably involved in this. Afterall the apple doesnt fall too far from the tree. But I might just be being cynical again.
His books had nothing to do wirh his efforts to raise money by walking all those miles. He became a celebrity but was a war hero and had a choice of where the money was going for the books separate from his walking. Don't be so greedy. He was a perfect gentleman don't involve his name and family in a scandal now when he is no longer around to defend him self.
He wrote the books. Knew what was what, and was happy for the money from them to go to the family, as a kind of spin-off of his charity efforts, and his capturing the zeitgeist. He'd have seen and signed the contracts - by all accounts, he was compos mentis. That's a plausible account, I think. Now, had they just made the single donation of his charity monies raised, and not created the Foundation, they could have quietly pocketed the book money. People without a charitable bone in their bodies suddenly creating a charity - yeah right!
I think common sense tells you that the money is going direct to the author/publisher unless it states otherwise. If it does state otherwise, then clearly it is fraud. I have not seen or read the book.
Former charity lawyer here. The problem is that people only really see negative stories like this and the, incorrectly, extrapolate to all charities. The reality is that the vast majority of charities are relatively small organisations run by very decent people who are not paid particularly well. But what people need to understand is that for a charity to grow, and for larger charities, it is necessary to employ people who have sufficient commercial experience to help build the organisation because, like it or not, charities are also businesses and have to compete for scarce funds. Good business people cost money. Finally, the days of charities getting most of their income from legacies are long gone, so they have to compete for grant funding and increasingly contracts for the delivery of services. Don’t be swayed by the few bad eggs, without charities the social safety net would be even weaker than it already is, they do a huge amount of good.
"Mistakes" happen. In the same way that the late Captain mistakenly lapped his garden and dedicatedly raised a fortune for good causes? A shame his daughter didn't inherit Captain Tom's selfless example. Avaricious antics.
I-think sir captain Tom would like his family to take a little money.maybe start looking at how much the other charity bosses are taking in salary up-to £200000 for the major hight street ones and the facts that uptp 97 % doesn’t go to charity
No she's not a typical Brit as you comment, she's a type of brit that fortunately is rare. Greed got the better of her and her husband. They thought they could shaft the donors
I believe the NHS received £39 million for Capt Tom‘s effort? That’s a tidy Sum and well done, wherever that went is anybody’s guess. The family wrote a book on the efforts of them and Capt Tom, a family history, a family life. Therefore the family has every right to claim the money from the Books. Like Captain Tom, I would want to see my family honoured and protected by mine and their efforts. The book like any book went for sale and people bought the book obviously they wanted to read their story. Their are countless allegations of ministers lining their pockets during the Covid fiasco and that was taxpayers money. 😂
The man raised 40M, I think his family should get something. 1M from a book deal seems fair. Would you not have done the same? Prob not 😂, I’m sure the perpetually enraged would have better morals.
Thieves, like this greedy stuck up family should all be in jail with their property forfeited. Total disgrace. I will not be giving to any charities in the future; all trust gone. Very pretentious with the blue blazer, grey flannels, medals, publicity seekers for their own gain. What a nerve ! ☹️
Both she n her husband are scamming,lieing,greedy,narsacistic,theves, she has sullied the name of her daddy, a wee man who only wanted to do a wee bita good, now when anyone mentions capt tom, the first thought springs to mind is, greed,lies,n a big scam, n personality I find that so very very sad😢
This was not a mistake, this was deliberate, wake up people
... you know from inside of course.
😂😂 I know I donated nothing ,his walk didn't trap my heart ,people are sheep
@@romystumpy1197 Did he donate a penny of his own money to his chosen charity or just rely on NHS worshipping British sheeple?
This is not only a prime example of sheer greed but just as bad is the damage it will do to other genuine charities who will have lost the trust of some of their donors .
His daughter and her husband are an utter disgrace and for me they have been treated leniently while deserving every bit of criticism they receive.
Like the RNLI
No such thing as a genuine charity unfortunately, basically all the same
@@catherinegriessel56well that’s not true. Yeah they pay people to work for them but at least that information is available and not a secret. They’re also family of the charitable cause, and people would naturally be inclined to trust them
@@catherinegriessel56 That's not true
I'm fed up with CEOs of charities making incredibly high pay. I won't donate just to pay CEO salary.
Best donate to "The Big Issue". At least you know where it is going.
I agree that they shouldn't receive an 'incredibly high' salary, but the people running charities still need remuneration for their time, don't they?
@@patavinity1262Yes. Hence why they said "incredibly high", rather than "any".
@@stevie-c1471 The original commenter said "I won't donate just to pay the CEO's salary". I was pointing out that it is in fact reasonable for part of any donation made to a charity to go towards paying the charity's staff.
Former charity lawyer here. The problem is that people only really see negative stories like this and the, incorrectly, extrapolate to all charities. The reality is that the vast majority of charities are relatively small organisations run by very decent people who are not paid particularly well. But what people need to understand is that for a charity to grow, and for larger charities, it is necessary to employ people who have sufficient commercial experience to help build the organisation because, like it or not, charities are also businesses and have to compete for scarce funds. Good business people cost money. Finally, the days of charities getting most of their income from legacies are long gone, so they have to compete for grant funding and increasingly contracts for the delivery of services. Don’t be swayed by the few bad eggs, without charities the social safety net would be even weaker than it already is, they do a huge amount of good.
I always felt at that time. Her father was pushed way beyond his capabilities just for the glory of others. Sick ❤
If the books were marketed as in support of the Sir Tom Moore Foundation, but no money went to it, surely that is at least obtaining money by deception? It can’t be right that his daughter is allowed to walk away with £1.5 million.
She wanted £150k as a charity director because that's the going rate for one in the UK. It's why I only give money to small local charities. I don't want my donation going to the salary of some " captain of industry" brought in to run a charity.
Here in Sweden I remember the head of the Red Cross was picking up a huge salary. Why do they need to pay, isn’t there any retired top manager that wants to show some goodwill late in life after building a fortune. Isn’t there a single one that can do that for two years and then pass it on to the next one?
Wouldn’t that be nice in the UK too.
@@bokhans: In the Netherlands the blood bank chariry hired some doctor as head for more than 200k euro per year. There was outrage about that... But it doesn't really change and happens everywhere.
It's good that you continue to donate! Not all charities are dishonest
While 150K is not low it is hardly a captain of industry salery either average pay for FTSE 100 company CEO is £4.19 million. In some cases we talking organisations with turnover between 500 milion and a billion a year. Also you got at internal structure. If you reduce CEO pay to under 100K what do want the finance director, head of fundrasing, policy etc to earn? You got leave some space for wage differentation. If a charity is turning over more than 200 million I don't see the issue with a £150K salary. You don't want someone running a organisation of this size as a hobby for 2 years but someone who will commit a career to it, they need to be peoperly paid.
No "innocent mistakes" here. What a disgrace and why many don't trust charities.
i was suspicious at the time - the whole thing was pathetic exlpoitation
Agree.....always thought the woman was iffy...she was always there, in every pic etc
The Ingram Moore's should be forced to return the money!
They shud be both jailed..disgusting
The biggest losers in this are the honest charities that try to make a difference in this world!
Disgusting 🤬
Shame on her!
Greedy people.Didnt like any of this from the beginning.
I thought the interviewee here was very clear, straight and professional. Most impressive.
Can they claw back the money? Can they jail them?
By removing charitable status the crown can tax the funds as income. By prosecuting for fraud or lesser crimes, the public can seize the funds, yes. Successful prosecution could lead to jail for fraud i suppose but unlikely. That's why the allegations from the report that they have damaged trust in charities is so important.
BOTH BUT NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN
I stopped giving to charities because I don't trust it's getting to the causes. With thousands going to some Chief Execs in salaries.
Just research your charities.
Best donate to "The Big Issue". At least you know where it is going.
Not even the BIg Issue. In my area it's foreign dressed eastern European women, and I know the culture they come from. Who are dropped off outside local shops. I'm not supporting them in this activity...not one penny.
It’s your money, so you’re free to do whatever you like, but that’s a pathetic excuse. Spend an hour or two researching all the great charities that are very transparent and don’t pay large salaries and use those particular charities.
I want my £50 back.
They probably bought a bottle of wine with your £50. Thieves!
It’s call donating. You assumed all the risks when you parted your money away.
A bottle of Champagne 🍾
They knew exactly what they were doing. Right from the moment they got their father to reinact the burma death march from his nursing home garden.
it was not a nutsing home it was his/hannah home which tells you they were well off
That's funny
Sheer greed and abysmal dishonour to this amazing man shame on them
have a day off these people have plenty money it is shear greed
It looks like a fraud, duck.
What it will mean is such actions in future will have us not trusting such people.
We have just checked what the CEOs are taking in wages have cancelled ALL charities and instead supporting local voluntary charities Nd local food banks homeless etc All the big charities not only CEOs and advertising. Best to give locally and from the heart
I love the fact that they went on to build a spa, CHAVS.
Charity begins at home.
Their home is exactly where the money went
If you want to support a charity, donate to a small local one. Your local animal rescue etc. The money goes where its supposed to. Never donate to a charity that has a CEO.
Is there no consequences?...if a crime is committed?
Not for the rich.
Hannah should reach out to the resources available to her to help her with her issues and not rely on TH-cam to attempt to ban negative comments on her disgraceful behaviour
Wonderful daughter who cared for her father.Her father didn't end up in a care home.She deserves every penny.
Disgraceful
Why are they not behind bars?
They vote Conservative.
Captain Tom's legacy has been sadly tarnished by the greedy actions of his daughter.
She's definitely a crook!...anyone else would have to repay their ill gotten gains!
Captain Tom was in on it.
They should both be locked up, fleeced the general public out of £1.4 million, money that should have gone to hospitals and hospices instead went to their own pool and spa
NO WORSE GREED ,WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY
3 years,3years,why did this take sooo long,pathetic😮
I would have no issue with his family benefitting from the proceeds of his book after his death if it wasn't for the fact that it was marketed as a book that would be raising money for his charity and they've kept all of the proceeds for themselves. Not to even offer a contribution to charity in the face of all this scrutiny shows how brazen they are.
Yes, but given their profession they would have known that marketing the book as no or minimal money from book sales to charity would have massively reduced book sales.
Disgraceful, I want my donation back.
Cannot help but wish we held corporations to the same level of scrutiny that we have held this family. 3 years! Wow. I’ve seen corrupt corporations skate by with not even a look at what they are doing.
1.4 million, sweet deal. You have to give it to the Ingram Moores, they played a blinder. I'm sure they'll enjoy that money in glorious isolation as nobody will want anything to do with them in the future. They've also tarnished the futures of their children and grandchildren. But I'm sure it was all worth it.
Is she related to Michelle Mone??
I worked in the charity sector for more than 20y, lastly as a non-financial auditor, boards snd trustees do make mistakes as the lady says, it would have been "cleaner" if the family had had as little hands on involvement as possible. In terms of obscenely high salaries, in my experience there were people like myself, who accepted a lower salary to work in the charity sector, when high numbers of ex-local authority officers and ex-civil servants became involved huge amounts of empire building went on, several layers of additional management were created and then the cronyism began.
Just like the royal family 😂
Just been announced how much the taxpayer paid for Charlie's coronation...........
........£72M.
This is a sign of our times.. People have no morals, our politicians have no morals and greed is king. Charities themselves are no longer really ethical these days either, the pay the top people get is outrageous
So what you’re saying is, they got away with it!
If sales of the book should have gone to the, Captain Tom Moore's charity then why wasn't there someone to make sure? But I think it was pure greedy and inane to build a spa pool for her own use. Surely the house was big enough to build one inside.
How Very Sad 😔
What I want to know is. Is she ever going to get prosecuted for it??? Its theft.
Will they be done for fraud? never liked the look of em thank god Capt Tom didn’t know
I thought when seeing her, particularly when she became more assertive in media appearances, ‘she has the look of Janice from The Sopranos’, the grasping sister of mob boss Tony.
What also sticks in the craw are the ‘disgusted’ headlines by the UK tabloids, where were they and their claims of seekers of truth and investigation?
Imagine if anyone had, really prior to the whole spa issue, raised any concerns.
Especially if anyone or organization that they don’t like did so (which is most of them), they would have vilified and got death threats from the deranged who believe these rags.
As if he wasn’t privy to the plan.
No .And Captain Tom was honourd by Late Queen Elisabeth II To Captain Sir Tom Moore. His efforts during corona time. This really becomes a sad story. Good to see that he still walkes around. Hart warming. Keep up the appearenses Sir Captain T.Moore.
Ps thats an order 😂🎉 😘
He died.😢.im shocked.
He is long gone hence the thieving
Oh dear oh dear
All charitys are a scam
No they're not. Btw Einstein, learn to spell.
I wonder how many people dismiss us old cynics who saw what this was from the beginning. Not gloating in my cynicism as I have experience from experience on human nature. One of the other things might upset everyone is old Tom was probably involved in this. Afterall the apple doesnt fall too far from the tree. But I might just be being cynical again.
I agree. That mentality didn't come from nowhere.
Given it’s been 2 hours, and given the postmaster scandal, why would people not wait longer before personally casting unequivocal judgment?
His books had nothing to do wirh his efforts to raise money by walking all those miles. He became a celebrity but was a war hero and had a choice of where the money was going for the books separate from his walking. Don't be so greedy. He was a perfect gentleman don't involve his name and family in a scandal now when he is no longer around to defend him self.
Cap'n Tom was in on it. For sure.
because?
You disgust me.
He wrote the books. Knew what was what, and was happy for the money from them to go to the family, as a kind of spin-off of his charity efforts, and his capturing the zeitgeist. He'd have seen and signed the contracts - by all accounts, he was compos mentis. That's a plausible account, I think.
Now, had they just made the single donation of his charity monies raised, and not created the Foundation, they could have quietly pocketed the book money. People without a charitable bone in their bodies suddenly creating a charity - yeah right!
@@C.Hughes-Lloyd Like father, like daughter.
@taffyterrier You're such a child, stating your opinion as facts.
I think common sense tells you that the money is going direct to the author/publisher unless it states otherwise. If it does state otherwise, then clearly it is fraud. I have not seen or read the book.
Scammers
She bought a new house and put a swimming pool in her back garden. How is that a mistake?? Shame on that silly women defending her.
& she still couldn't sort her gnashers out.
Former charity lawyer here. The problem is that people only really see negative stories like this and the, incorrectly, extrapolate to all charities. The reality is that the vast majority of charities are relatively small organisations run by very decent people who are not paid particularly well. But what people need to understand is that for a charity to grow, and for larger charities, it is necessary to employ people who have sufficient commercial experience to help build the organisation because, like it or not, charities are also businesses and have to compete for scarce funds. Good business people cost money. Finally, the days of charities getting most of their income from legacies are long gone, so they have to compete for grant funding and increasingly contracts for the delivery of services. Don’t be swayed by the few bad eggs, without charities the social safety net would be even weaker than it already is, they do a huge amount of good.
Nice try, pal
@ Really, please explain why???
Greed…
"Mistakes" happen. In the same way that the late Captain mistakenly lapped his garden and dedicatedly raised a fortune for good causes? A shame his daughter didn't inherit Captain Tom's selfless example. Avaricious antics.
Elderly abuse ,probably rubbing her hands together while the poor old man went round the garden
"I don't see a problem." - Paula Vennels
And her best friend Justin Welby!
Captain Tom's daughter has achieved what i thought was impossible - she makes bozo Boris look half decent 😉
Same here,Id be afraid Bill gates would end up with anthing to do with health charities.
I-think sir captain Tom would like his family to take a little money.maybe start looking at how much the other charity bosses are taking in salary up-to £200000 for the major hight street ones and the facts that uptp 97 % doesn’t go to charity
I never donate money to charities because by the time everyone has taken hardly any money goes where it’s supposed to go
Captain Tom's daughter, typical Brit who only thinks of themselves and money!!
Thank you for your contributions to our discussion, Ivan.
No she's not a typical Brit as you comment, she's a type of brit that fortunately is rare. Greed got the better of her and her husband. They thought they could shaft the donors
I first saw them both on a program ,I just new she was a wrongun
Captain tom is clearly complicit he should be postumousley court-martialed.
Here is 1.5 Million for you Labour Party!
So what? She is the daughter. Its a family business.
It was a charity not a family business!!
It was a charity idiot !
I believe the NHS received £39 million for Capt Tom‘s effort? That’s a tidy Sum and well done, wherever that went is anybody’s guess. The family wrote a book on the efforts of them and Capt Tom, a family history, a family life. Therefore the family has every right to claim the money from the Books. Like Captain Tom, I would want to see my family honoured and protected by mine and their efforts. The book like any book went for sale and people bought the book obviously they wanted to read their story.
Their are countless allegations of ministers lining their pockets during the Covid fiasco and that was taxpayers money. 😂
So clearly your related ? They are DISGRACEFUL and so you for backing them , honestly what kind of people are you .urghh !
The man raised 40M, I think his family should get something. 1M from a book deal seems fair. Would you not have done the same?
Prob not 😂, I’m sure the perpetually enraged would have better morals.
You're hilarious!🙄probs an Ingram moore!
@@Swansong321😂
Did he contribute any of his own money to the 40M?
So what only for her father no charity would of got 39million
The gullible public donated the 39million - not Sir Virtue Signaller.
The charity ceo's, are also living the high life on obscene salaries, they are running a racket.
Thieves, like this greedy stuck up family should all be in jail with their property forfeited. Total disgrace. I will not be giving to any charities in the future; all trust gone. Very pretentious with the blue blazer, grey flannels, medals, publicity seekers for their own gain. What a nerve ! ☹️
Both she n her husband are scamming,lieing,greedy,narsacistic,theves, she has sullied the name of her daddy, a wee man who only wanted to do a wee bita good, now when anyone mentions capt tom, the first thought springs to mind is, greed,lies,n a big scam, n personality I find that so very very sad😢
The Captain was cut from the same cloth.