right, they have a history of that, and a saying from the old days: "Failure is not an option", especially where crews are concerned. So, they opt not to take that risk. Better to cost a space craft mission than the lives of brave astronauts!
Missed the live stream was sleeping. But amazing stream, always a great yime with Das, EJ, Adrian, KMR. And all the NSF team in the background. Glad it came home safe. Some amazing views. Keep up the great work team and community.
A startling difference I noticed from other "RETURN" videos (Which had comments turned off?) of this event showed the nervous Boeing ground control station crew mostly wearing ties whereas Spacex crew are very informal and relaxed.
its because their jobs were probably on the line. also when we see spacex teams its usually during test flights which they expect to fail so there much less stress
@@ronschlorff7089 Starship RUD's were (and still are) prototypes, this was supposed to be a crewed mission. If you want to compare it to SPacex, it would be equivalent to Dragon Crew1, which returned with her crew.
@@jeffspatz1635 OK, yes, they are apparently still in the "V-2 stage" of development, with starship, like we were in the late 1940's to early 1950's! LOL. And I said nothing about dragon! ;D
Well done Nasa Im 1:28:54 from the UK 🇬🇧 a 72 Yr old space nerd saw Apollo 11 land live watching on a B & W tv with the family all sat on the big settee remember it like yesterday so thank you Nasa for the ride of a life time & yes the Space shuttle for me was another pinnacle no other country in the world can come anyway close to doing what Nasa has achieved . Have following your achievements throughout the years & I'm still in awe of the USA & NASA .
@@daejavue69 Well, this was primarily Boeing, not NASA but, yeah. Just wait until SpaceX gets the Starship fully operational. That's going to make every other rocket and spacecraft in the world look like so many biplanes.
@@odysseusrex5908 yup, we are "waiting", for the next RUD, they are pretty spectacular! And, yes, it (star ship) is a "biplane", if you look carefully, it has two sets of "wings"!! :D LOL
@@ronald3836 Right, and I heard it's much better, they sun roast the beans outside in a special container, on the ISS; the French and Italian astronauts invented/demanded that! ;D LOL
@@odysseusrex5908 right, what people don't seem to get is they are professional astronauts who get paid very well for doing their jobs and all that extra space flight pay, plus a likely bonus, will be huge, really huge, for 8 more months. All they have to do is chill, eat, sleep, exercise, etc. to earn it now!! LOL
Warching this I was struck by the irony of it. We have been bombarded with Headlines about all the problems Starliner's been having- and it has. However... SpaceX's Crew Dragon has been described as the Crew Vehicle that will save the Starliner Crew. Yet, whilst Starliner has been experiencing all these well publicised problems no one has commented on the fact that Crew Dragon's Launch Vehicle, Falcon 9, has been grounded twice in recent weeks. If a new mission was required it would have been unable to launch. NASA wanted Disimilar Redundancy. Yet BOTH Crew Transfer Vehicles have suffered problems, one with the vehicle itself and one with its Launch Vehicle. It makes you think...
They’re still authorized for two more missions iirc. Assuming they properly fix everything that malfunctioned. This mission was supposed to be a manned flight test.
@@mactek6033im still hoping that the rumors SNC may buy ULA are true, and eventually Vulcan SMART may get set up for dreamchaser. Im also curious if new glenn is going for dreamchaser or back to the biconic when they eventually go manned.
@@kabob21 This was a manned flight test, which they failed spectacularly. They have a contract for six missions, but only *after* NASA certifies them for operational flights. They have an awful lot of work to do before that happens. If I were running things, I would demand another test flight before such certification. Whether they do or don't though, it is unlikely that Starliner will fly again before 2026.
@@mactek6033 These things take time. Even if Sierra got full funding tomorrow, it would be at least five years before they had Dream Chaser ready to fly Crew. Starship may be ready for manned operations by then.
It's unbelievable how Boeing has essentially failed to advance in decades, while SpaceX has innovated and iterated their technology to become the best in the world in such a relatively short amount of time.
Watching the replay at 1:33:00. Maybe got covered later. With those being IR cameras, what are those mid capsule hot spots? It looks like heat distortions around it as well. ??
My opinion hasn’t changed because my concern has been that it didn’t sound like the problem was with some new or revolutionary system where you wouldn’t be able to identify an issue until you’d sent it into space. Thrusters and leaks have been part of the manned space program since the start. If the issue is that the material in these seals wasn’t performing as expected or as needed, my concern and opinion will remain until there have been a few flights without this issue or other materials related issues. (Just like I wouldn’t consider my car fixed until I’d had a chance to drive it and verify the problem was no longer present.)
Yes! Finally a comment that I can agree with! You're right. They should have high standards especially where lives are at risk. I see so many negative comments slamming NASA for it's decision. And if they would have placed the astronauts on board and something catastrophic happened the very same people who slammed them would have been ripping them apart calling NASA careless.
Boeing has very serious questions to answer. They had experience and were commissioned at the same time as SpaceX. SpaceX created a crew system years before Boeing and at a fraction of the cost of Starliner. My money is on Starship being operational before Starliner. Imagine a 100 tonne and 20 crew resupply mission to the ISS, it could carry the habitat module for the extra crew.
They could just fly up an unmanned Starship as a new ISS. It's nearly as big! Dock a second manned Starship to it, and you've got a proper big facility. Maybe dock with the current ISS, scavenge all the good bits ( solar arrays ? ), and jettison the old ISS pieces bit by bit.
Quite seriously after seeing the views and knowing the data space x got from starlink during flight 4 nasa ought to say they want that on starliner too, they won't but they ought to
Why not use UTC during these commentaries??? The time that is used on all aircraft and spacecraft. It's just silly to use a randomly chosen USA time zone. Sometimes Pacific time, sometimes some other zone. Just as silly as using inches.
No one should be slamming NASA for it's decision to not send the astronauts home onboard that capsule. They should have high standards especially when you have peoples lives at stake. And if NASA would have sent them back and something catastrophic happened, the very same people who slammed them would be calling them careless. And if that would have happened for the first time in their lives those negative people would be right.
Great, now tell Boeing to come pick up their piece of junk, ask for half of the 4+ billion back, and hire Lockheed Martin to build an Orion ISS version capsule that may actually work.
starship is a much larger vehicle, it leaves a hole in the plasma large enough to get a signal through behind it. Dragon and starliner i'm assuming are too small for anything like that or else spacex would've done it with dragon.
In fairness, it is dumb to say NASA were cowards. It’s true, but NASA’s cowardice is written in the blood in 17 astronauts who died due to NASA’s timeline over all mentality. If this was a cargo return, NASA should be skewered, but two lives it doesn’t not make sense. I’d trust Boeing’s engineers who know the system backward and forward over the NASA engineers who have a record of terrible calls that have killed many, but dragon return is not an inherently unreasonable call.
No, you're misunderstanding. NSF is saying that Scott Manley said that the media will call NASA cowards. NSF actually shares a similar sentiment to Scott.
Well, congratulations to Boeing. I'm glad something finally went right on this utterly cursed mission. Obviously, Butch and Suni would have made it home safely, but it was worthwhile to err on the side of caution. Generally, I think NASA is too risk averse these days but, in this case, where Murphy's Law had been applied with such vengeance, with one thing after another going wrong, again and again, for five years now, it was reasonable for discretion to be the better part of valor. Of course, Murphy's Law has not been the real problem, Boeing management has. Every setback this project has suffered can be traced directly to poor decisions by management, and that is because the managers, instead of being engineers, are accountants and finance guys who do not actually understand the issues being worked on a sophisticated engineering project and have consistently placed emphasis on the wrong priorities. Being has a lot of work to do to get this thing ready to fly again, and they need to put some engineers in charge of it and give them free reign to do what needs to be done to accomplish the goal.
with the amount of rockets being shot these days its not amazing any more its just normal for most people who arent rocket nerds just like a football match or a car race if its your thing its amazing to watch your driver or team in real life or even on tv is it not than would you care ? when stuff like this happened in the 50-60th's it was amazing and special , now 70years later should they not have figured it out how to do it without issues. even the tech used is still manly the same . and the trip to and from iss isnt special neither anymore after how many trips have gone there an got back? hell that thing is on its way to retirement not too special in my eyes if your finally managed to get there but still arent good enough to be 100% safe to return . special would have been if halveway through the decent it would have lit rockets and got back up to iss. what always astounds me is the amount of money being spend on space while it will never be of use. yes we could maybe one day travel to mars or any other uninhabitable planet with what goal ? seeing its uninhabitable ? would we have to make it habitable than ? why not make this habitable planet where we dont have to travel too more habitable first before we try to figure out how to do that somewhere distant. figuring it out here for this planet would be a giant step for all men kind doing it for/on mars would only be beneficial for a (small)select few.
The confidence of the full safety of the Starliner for actual humans was not high enough to be trustable. the Starliner has too many parts that weren't or can't be fully tested
Congrats Boeing! You made a tough call to return the capsule without astronauts, and the successful recovery a damaged capsule. It's reminiscent of Apollo 13.
Not a big fan of Boeing, they have too many problems in all their aviation and aerospace projects these days that cost, us the public, money and sometimes lives. Glad the starliner mess up there is cleaned up for now. I think they should shut it down. Just my opinion. Thanks for the coverage NSF.
But they said it didn't contain the flight software for a return? What's the story on this? Because if they could just load it remotely, then why not bring back the astronauts? Was it just dropped into deorbit at the right time or what?
I think Scott Manley has something on this? And the confidence was not high enough to trust it with live people on the way down. Boeing just had not bothered to load auto-return software. They have a history of not testing things as full systems and the auto-return wasn't ready/fully tested originally.
They uploaded the software for uncrewed return. This had nothing to do with bringing the astronauts home. The reason they didnt want to risk bringing the astronauts home was that there was about 0.5% chance that the thruster could fail because of overheat and they would lose the entry orientation thay needed.
HEY THERE YOU YANKS. Why not call the so-called RB57, the Canberra. You know, the aeroplane that was designed and built in England and then modified in the US of A.
Starliner has landed…. But the starliner crisis is far from over…… now we have the option to retire starliner and loose a lot of money and make more crappier 737s…. Or… get better engineers and fix starliner and still retain the money. Either way… this mission is a disaster unlike flight test 2 But I’m glad the capsule was home. NOW ITS OFF TO THE MUSEUMS
What happened to the starliner? Did it fly or blow the jets up. I don't know what blue out of the thrusters when it undoct from the iss was that it blow up. NASA it did it blow up.
OK, I get the fact that there an extremely good chance the booster will fail in such away it will burn up on reentery. And that the two that were supposed to ride it back are now mandated to stay on board the ISS. "HOWEVER". they are not in in sense of the word "ABANDONDED". There are other's abord the ISS. The one single issue they and I meaning the entire crew, will have is; The food aboard isn't sufficent for the other two who are remaining. Meaning, everyone will get slightly less. "UNTIL" such time as the next one is sent up, which will then having additonal food. Make everything OK Doh-key again. All this bullshit of astronaught's being "ABANDONED" is "BULL SHIT".
No, not stupid at all, Suppose Starliner had pulled away from the station and begun preparing for reentry and the thrusters had failed. Could you have guaranteed that would not happen? Boeing couldn't.
The Starliner landed at 10:01 P.M., Friday, local time (in the Mountain Standard Time zone) at White Sands, New Mexico, instead of the scheduled 10:03 (that's 12:03, Saturday, Eastern Standard time); so, guess that was a "failure" too, being about two minutes too early!! LOL ;D
Murphy's Law, etc.: Mid 70s, a technical career from Naval AMD Avionics to Journeyman Inside Wireman building coal & Fermi II, ISA Cert. on site at a continuous process Refinery, was able to stay alive, beating Murphy most of the time, recognized that there was more going on than Murphy 🤔 So, did some digging around, to find Murphy has a "sister, Murphet"! Forced to retire early (all bridges of trust burned) by two Murphets, as I was figuring her out! NBPD. Navy 🇺🇸 veteran, retired mid 70s returned back to defending the Constitution again, not PARTY or PERSON! Ordered a T-shirt, "KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OUTTA MY DEMOCRACY!"
I don't much care for Starliner. That said, SpaceX gets a pass when they experience failures, but Boeing gets shafted in the comments. it's a major double standard. The young engineers developing it are learning too guys.
The major issue is cost. Starliner cost NASA double what SpaceX spent for Crew Dragon, has been delayed for 7 years, and each flight is much more than what SpaceX charges, as well.
@@stanley8574how many times has starliner failed and left astronauts stranded? 0. Starliner succeeded and it was NASA that made the decision to leave them. Boeing was steadfast in their confidence. Confidence that was well placed.
Nasa made the right call.
right, they have a history of that, and a saying from the old days: "Failure is not an option", especially where crews are concerned. So, they opt not to take that risk. Better to cost a space craft mission than the lives of brave astronauts!
Missed the live stream was sleeping. But amazing stream, always a great yime with Das, EJ, Adrian, KMR. And all the NSF team in the background. Glad it came home safe. Some amazing views. Keep up the great work team and community.
Congrats to all involved, and thanks for the awesome stream.
roger that! : )
Thanks NSF team, another fun stream.
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A startling difference I noticed from other "RETURN" videos (Which had comments turned off?) of this event showed the nervous Boeing ground control station crew mostly wearing ties whereas Spacex crew are very informal and relaxed.
its because their jobs were probably on the line. also when we see spacex teams its usually during test flights which they expect to fail so there much less stress
@@atanasapostolov2731 Perhaps Boeing should rename their flights as test flights then they can claim 100% successes.
‘Confirmed out of blackout’? In the 21st century? 😂
Meanwhile, Starship's streaming in 4K-what's next, Stuckliner running on steam? 🚂
Difference between Engineers and MBAs
Nah, there were a lot of suits and ties in mission control for SpaceX's Demo-2
Watching from NAIROBI Kenya 🎉🎉
Thank you NASA 🎉
Congrats to NASA and Boeing for a successful return mission, and thanks NSF for the fun stream.
successfull would be it returning with the people it took up there. This was a massive failure
@@FosterFarmsOk right, just like all the star ship RUD's, I agree!! LOL ;D
@@ronschlorff7089 Starship RUD's were (and still are) prototypes, this was supposed to be a crewed mission. If you want to compare it to SPacex, it would be equivalent to Dragon Crew1, which returned with her crew.
"Successful mission?" The crew is stranded in space waiting months for a rescue mission.
@@jeffspatz1635 OK, yes, they are apparently still in the "V-2 stage" of development, with starship, like we were in the late 1940's to early 1950's! LOL. And I said nothing about dragon! ;D
Well done to Boeing, I watched the Apollo Moon Landing in 1969, so have had a lifetime interest in Space.
There are still 2 astronauts stuck in space because of Boeing..This is a rescue mission and they might not survive the repercussions because of it...
@@BondJFKas an American I’m disappointed people believe in conspiracy and not reality
We landed on the moon with humans ..
huge failure. They didnt bring back the most important part they 2 humans it took up there.
ditto!
@@aaronsteele5624they arent stuck, they alr have comeback in febraury i think was, with SpaceX Crew 9
Please Boeing to fix his management system....!!
Well done. What a marvelous feat of brainstorming. Congratulations.
Awesome, it was great watching the unmaned capsule fly through space and earth's atmosphere and land! Beautiful...From NYC
Well done Nasa Im 1:28:54 from the UK 🇬🇧 a 72 Yr old space nerd saw Apollo 11 land live watching on a B & W tv with the family all sat on the big settee remember it like yesterday so thank you Nasa for the ride of a life time & yes the Space shuttle for me was another pinnacle no other country in the world can come anyway close to doing what Nasa has achieved .
Have following your achievements throughout the years & I'm still in awe of the USA & NASA .
@@daejavue69 Well, this was primarily Boeing, not NASA but, yeah. Just wait until SpaceX gets the Starship fully operational. That's going to make every other rocket and spacecraft in the world look like so many biplanes.
@@daejavue69 Ditto, and me too, re: Apollo 11, and all the others! Did your TV have rabbit ears or an external house mounted aerial? : )
@@odysseusrex5908 yup, we are "waiting", for the next RUD, they are pretty spectacular!
And, yes, it (star ship) is a "biplane", if you look carefully, it has two sets of "wings"!! :D LOL
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EJ, John(DAS), & Adrain, Thank you awesome coverage!!!!
The community contributions are amazing. Love you all!!
Butch and Suni: Damn....we could be getting Starbucks tomorrow morning in Albuquerque.
tbh i think they're enjoying their time up there because it was likely their last trip up that went from an 8 day teaser to a full length mission.
Coffee at the ISS can't be worse than Starbucks.
Are you kidding? They thought they were only going to get to spend a week in space, now they are getting eight months. They are ecstatic.
@@ronald3836 Right, and I heard it's much better, they sun roast the beans outside in a special container, on the ISS; the French and Italian astronauts invented/demanded that! ;D LOL
@@odysseusrex5908 right, what people don't seem to get is they are professional astronauts who get paid very well for doing their jobs and all that extra space flight pay, plus a likely bonus, will be huge, really huge, for 8 more months. All they have to do is chill, eat, sleep, exercise, etc. to earn it now!! LOL
such professional team good for nasa and boeing spacex will bring them home we need all flights successful spacex and boeing and nasa
It will be very interesting to hear what they find out at NASA and Boeing after examining the capsule.
Unfortunately, nothing related to the problems they have been having, since those were all in the Service Module, which was jettisoned and burned up.
WB 57's are just some English Electric Canberra's with fancy wing. 1940's designs and still smooth as glass
Shootin star
At the 40:39 mark.
Far right side of screen.
Just below the small cloud
Indeed it is, cool!
I guess Boeing was right about Starliner. 👍👍. Better safe, than sorry.
Just found you, viewing from Australia
Warching this I was struck by the irony of it.
We have been bombarded with Headlines about all the problems Starliner's been having- and it has.
However...
SpaceX's Crew Dragon has been described as the Crew Vehicle that will save the Starliner Crew. Yet, whilst Starliner has been experiencing all these well publicised problems no one has commented on the fact that Crew Dragon's Launch Vehicle, Falcon 9, has been grounded twice in recent weeks. If a new mission was required it would have been unable to launch.
NASA wanted Disimilar Redundancy. Yet BOTH Crew Transfer Vehicles have suffered problems, one with the vehicle itself and one with its Launch Vehicle.
It makes you think...
Totally the right call
I hope they work on it amd make it reliable, I'd love to see the US have two human spaceships.
They’re still authorized for two more missions iirc. Assuming they properly fix everything that malfunctioned. This mission was supposed to be a manned flight test.
Sierra Space is on deck.
@@mactek6033im still hoping that the rumors SNC may buy ULA are true, and eventually Vulcan SMART may get set up for dreamchaser. Im also curious if new glenn is going for dreamchaser or back to the biconic when they eventually go manned.
@@kabob21 This was a manned flight test, which they failed spectacularly. They have a contract for six missions, but only *after* NASA certifies them for operational flights. They have an awful lot of work to do before that happens. If I were running things, I would demand another test flight before such certification. Whether they do or don't though, it is unlikely that Starliner will fly again before 2026.
@@mactek6033 These things take time. Even if Sierra got full funding tomorrow, it would be at least five years before they had Dream Chaser ready to fly Crew. Starship may be ready for manned operations by then.
Everytime I heard you say "Coming down the mountain." I heard it in the style of Jane's Addiction - Mountain Song. -First On Race Day
Great Starliner…. Noe Boeing get your act together!
How many can remember seeing the Echo Ballons in orbit.
amazing works of science in service to humanity
It's unbelievable how Boeing has essentially failed to advance in decades, while SpaceX has innovated and iterated their technology to become the best in the world in such a relatively short amount of time.
Wow the views from the iss in re-entry ❤❤❤
Great stream.
Will the WB-57 also get a Starlink connection in the future? ;)
Watching the replay at 1:33:00. Maybe got covered later. With those being IR cameras, what are those mid capsule hot spots? It looks like heat distortions around it as well. ??
My opinion hasn’t changed because my concern has been that it didn’t sound like the problem was with some new or revolutionary system where you wouldn’t be able to identify an issue until you’d sent it into space. Thrusters and leaks have been part of the manned space program since the start. If the issue is that the material in these seals wasn’t performing as expected or as needed, my concern and opinion will remain until there have been a few flights without this issue or other materials related issues. (Just like I wouldn’t consider my car fixed until I’d had a chance to drive it and verify the problem was no longer present.)
NASA have very high safety margins, as they should.
Yes! Finally a comment that I can agree with! You're right. They should have high standards especially where lives are at risk. I see so many negative comments slamming NASA for it's decision. And if they would have placed the astronauts on board and something catastrophic happened the very same people who slammed them would have been ripping them apart calling NASA careless.
Boeing has very serious questions to answer. They had experience and were commissioned at the same time as SpaceX. SpaceX created a crew system years before Boeing and at a fraction of the cost of Starliner. My money is on Starship being operational before Starliner. Imagine a 100 tonne and 20 crew resupply mission to the ISS, it could carry the habitat module for the extra crew.
They could just fly up an unmanned Starship as a new ISS. It's nearly as big! Dock a second manned Starship to it, and you've got a proper big facility. Maybe dock with the current ISS, scavenge all the good bits ( solar arrays ? ), and jettison the old ISS pieces bit by bit.
Just curious as to why no new updates on build site at the Cape?
Quite seriously after seeing the views and knowing the data space x got from starlink during flight 4 nasa ought to say they want that on starliner too, they won't but they ought to
A capsule with a discarded service module landing with chutes. What is the 50-year advancement over Apollo?
Браво!
In the landing zone there are 11kv+ power lines. During the descent, do they cut the power off untill capsul and droges are on the ground?
No.
Seemed like when it docked to the station, it hit pretty hard...
Great job by NASA.great job by Boeing.
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Are we there yet?
Why not use UTC during these commentaries??? The time that is used on all aircraft and spacecraft. It's just silly to use a randomly chosen USA time zone. Sometimes Pacific time, sometimes some other zone.
Just as silly as using inches.
Maaaan i love the music!
Crosshair pointer poor choice. Large square/circle next time please.
No one should be slamming NASA for it's decision to not send the astronauts home onboard that capsule. They should have high standards especially when you have peoples lives at stake. And if NASA would have sent them back and something catastrophic happened, the very same people who slammed them would be calling them careless. And if that would have happened for the first time in their lives those negative people would be right.
Great, now tell Boeing to come pick up their piece of junk, ask for half of the 4+ billion back, and hire Lockheed Martin to build an Orion ISS version capsule that may actually work.
NOTAMs don't apply to vessels only aircraft.
Now Boeing will play their blame game.
Boeing needs to contact Spacex for a starlink connection to keep telemetry like starship has.
No worries, there won't be anymore Starliner. It'll be just another occupants of Aerospace Museum.
@@JeffSyam LMAO ACCUPANTS
A better comparison would be dragon… which also has a dead period of several minutes.
starship is a much larger vehicle, it leaves a hole in the plasma large enough to get a signal through behind it. Dragon and starliner i'm assuming are too small for anything like that or else spacex would've done it with dragon.
@@JeffSyamThere will be, because we just saw that a crewed return would have been successful and Starliner can land in regions where Dragon cannot.
Would the crew have survived if they rode in it?
Since hat defective piece of junkvreturned,.the temps in coumo 4:02 bus oh has gone from 88to68..
Congrats Boeing with a job well done...Keep up the great work, all of you!!!
You know it was deemed unfit to bring its astronauts back right?!
@@markd9580 I know that, what's your point
@@AgentAnti-Orange-007 it definitely wasn’t great work. The capsule made it back, but empty.
1:28:40 Don't be dumb and start a feud with Scott Manley. He has a substantially larger fanbase than you guys.
In fairness, it is dumb to say NASA were cowards. It’s true, but NASA’s cowardice is written in the blood in 17 astronauts who died due to NASA’s timeline over all mentality. If this was a cargo return, NASA should be skewered, but two lives it doesn’t not make sense. I’d trust Boeing’s engineers who know the system backward and forward over the NASA engineers who have a record of terrible calls that have killed many, but dragon return is not an inherently unreasonable call.
No, you're misunderstanding. NSF is saying that Scott Manley said that the media will call NASA cowards. NSF actually shares a similar sentiment to Scott.
Also, he's usually right.
You can't fix that
Well, congratulations to Boeing. I'm glad something finally went right on this utterly cursed mission. Obviously, Butch and Suni would have made it home safely, but it was worthwhile to err on the side of caution. Generally, I think NASA is too risk averse these days but, in this case, where Murphy's Law had been applied with such vengeance, with one thing after another going wrong, again and again, for five years now, it was reasonable for discretion to be the better part of valor. Of course, Murphy's Law has not been the real problem, Boeing management has. Every setback this project has suffered can be traced directly to poor decisions by management, and that is because the managers, instead of being engineers, are accountants and finance guys who do not actually understand the issues being worked on a sophisticated engineering project and have consistently placed emphasis on the wrong priorities. Being has a lot of work to do to get this thing ready to fly again, and they need to put some engineers in charge of it and give them free reign to do what needs to be done to accomplish the goal.
Yummy gratuitous LFE in the intro. Mmmmmm so satisfying..... Thanks!
The StarLemon. Crude and uncrewed at the same time! (ʘ_ʘ)
Good to see the biggest piece of space junk removed from orbit.
Great job! Statliner returned just in time for the White Sands township recycling collection :-)
At least starliner falls down correctly
5 thrusters failed going up 1 failed leaving
1:22:13
What's that bright spot zooming by?
with the amount of rockets being shot these days its not amazing any more its just normal for most people who arent rocket nerds
just like a football match or a car race if its your thing its amazing to watch your driver or team in real life or even on tv is it not than would you care ?
when stuff like this happened in the 50-60th's it was amazing and special , now 70years later should they not have figured it out how to do it without issues.
even the tech used is still manly the same . and the trip to and from iss isnt special neither anymore after how many trips have gone there an got back?
hell that thing is on its way to retirement not too special in my eyes if your finally managed to get there but still arent good enough to be 100% safe to return .
special would have been if halveway through the decent it would have lit rockets and got back up to iss.
what always astounds me is the amount of money being spend on space while it will never be of use.
yes we could maybe one day travel to mars or any other uninhabitable planet with what goal ? seeing its uninhabitable ? would we have to make it habitable than ?
why not make this habitable planet where we dont have to travel too more habitable first before we try to figure out how to do that somewhere distant.
figuring it out here for this planet would be a giant step for all men kind doing it for/on mars would only be beneficial for a (small)select few.
not so amazing it needs several test flights to get me to like Starliner but thanks for the stream
I must of missed something, why are the stranded astronauts not aboard?
The astronauts are returning on a SpaceX Dragon capsule.
The confidence of the full safety of the Starliner for actual humans was not high enough to be trustable. the Starliner has too many parts that weren't or can't be fully tested
@@Wheatthin21😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@BigBoaby-sg1yo Why laughing emoji, what he said is true.
@@BigBoaby-sg1yoaren't they?
Shuttle. 59:40
Congrats Boeing! You made a tough call to return the capsule without astronauts, and the successful recovery a damaged capsule. It's reminiscent of Apollo 13.
Pretty sure NASA made the decision for them
.... NASA made the call, Boeing disagreed with the decision
Is this a joke.
Nope. NASA made the call while Boeing yelled at them for doing it.
These guys are talking like this was a success. Boeing doesn't have a thing to be cheering about. They still have two astronauts stuck on the ISS.
Worcestershire U.K.
I love how anyone that's into space travel has played KSP.
Not a big fan of Boeing, they have too many problems in all their aviation and aerospace projects these days that cost, us the public, money and sometimes lives. Glad the starliner mess up there is cleaned up for now. I think they should shut it down. Just my opinion. Thanks for the coverage NSF.
here's another great success from the USA...😂
The rubble is back safely it seems...
But they said it didn't contain the flight software for a return? What's the story on this? Because if they could just load it remotely, then why not bring back the astronauts? Was it just dropped into deorbit at the right time or what?
they updated the software over the air. They didn't bring back the astronauts on it because it was leaking helium
I think Scott Manley has something on this? And the confidence was not high enough to trust it with live people on the way down. Boeing just had not bothered to load auto-return software. They have a history of not testing things as full systems and the auto-return wasn't ready/fully tested originally.
lol 😂 you’re not believing this nonsense are ye ?
They uploaded the software for uncrewed return. This had nothing to do with bringing the astronauts home.
The reason they didnt want to risk bringing the astronauts home was that there was about 0.5% chance that the thruster could fail because of overheat and they would lose the entry orientation thay needed.
@@stavros654 hooo hooo hooo 🤭🤭😂
1:14:36 😮😮😮😮😮
Shuttle😂 😢 1:13:05
I give Boeing a new label, " Blowing."
NASA- we did it. starliner came back! Me- you forgot to bring the people back with it. failure in my opinion
Not NASA, Boeing.
HEY THERE YOU YANKS. Why not call the so-called RB57, the Canberra. You know, the aeroplane that was designed and built in England and then modified in the US of A.
Any and all data and information gained and analyzed should be given to every citizen of the US. After all, this is all being with our tax dollars.
space x has had 15.3 billion of public money too, should we just send all that data to China while were at it?.
What would you do with it?
@@odysseusrex5908 sell it to the chinese
Starliner has landed…. But the starliner crisis is far from over…… now we have the option to retire starliner and loose a lot of money and make more crappier 737s…. Or… get better engineers and fix starliner and still retain the money.
Either way… this mission is a disaster unlike flight test 2
But I’m glad the capsule was home. NOW ITS OFF TO THE MUSEUMS
What you guys will never know is how whats it, how bad it was, they will never tell you, that is the way it is when there money involved.
What happened to the starliner? Did it fly or blow the jets up. I don't know what blue out of the thrusters when it undoct from the iss was that it blow up. NASA it did it blow up.
Why is it that anything Boeing breaks down ? Wouldn’t fly on their aircraft for love nor money ! It’s just like Russian Roulette
Would be so funny if the plane that was doing tracking is having issues as well
OK, I get the fact that there an extremely good chance the booster will fail in such away it will burn up on reentery. And that the two that were supposed to ride it back are now mandated to stay on board the ISS. "HOWEVER". they are not in in sense of the word "ABANDONDED". There are other's abord the ISS. The one single issue they and I meaning the entire crew, will have is; The food aboard isn't sufficent for the other two who are remaining. Meaning, everyone will get slightly less. "UNTIL" such time as the next one is sent up, which will then having additonal food. Make everything OK Doh-key again.
All this bullshit of astronaught's being "ABANDONED" is "BULL SHIT".
This whole thing seems like Boeing trying to seem not shady and/ or a crap over funded company
the shady part was Boeing trying to demand that it return with Butch and Suni so they could try to save their image in the media and NASA said no.
How stupid they're not home
No, not stupid at all, Suppose Starliner had pulled away from the station and begun preparing for reentry and the thrusters had failed. Could you have guaranteed that would not happen? Boeing couldn't.
is elon going to rescue the astronauts before or after they arrest him ?
For what imagined crime?
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The Starliner landed at 10:01 P.M., Friday, local time (in the Mountain Standard Time zone) at White Sands, New Mexico, instead of the scheduled 10:03 (that's 12:03, Saturday, Eastern Standard time); so, guess that was a "failure" too, being about two minutes too early!! LOL ;D
Murphy's Law, etc.:
Mid 70s, a technical career from Naval AMD Avionics to Journeyman Inside Wireman building coal & Fermi II, ISA Cert. on site at a continuous process Refinery, was able to stay alive, beating Murphy most of the time, recognized that there was more going on than Murphy 🤔
So, did some digging around, to find Murphy has a "sister, Murphet"!
Forced to retire early (all bridges of trust burned) by two Murphets, as I was figuring her out! NBPD.
Navy 🇺🇸 veteran, retired mid 70s returned back to defending the Constitution again, not PARTY or PERSON!
Ordered a T-shirt, "KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OUTTA MY DEMOCRACY!"
I don't much care for Starliner. That said, SpaceX gets a pass when they experience failures, but Boeing gets shafted in the comments. it's a major double standard. The young engineers developing it are learning too guys.
Not really. How many has each had sent up, come back, and how many failures?
How many times has dragon failed and left astronauts stranded on the space station? I believe that's a zero.
The major issue is cost. Starliner cost NASA double what SpaceX spent for Crew Dragon, has been delayed for 7 years, and each flight is much more than what SpaceX charges, as well.
Have SpaceX failures led to astronauts being stranded in space? No, and that’s important. Not all failures are the same…
@@stanley8574how many times has starliner failed and left astronauts stranded? 0. Starliner succeeded and it was NASA that made the decision to leave them. Boeing was steadfast in their confidence. Confidence that was well placed.
A terrible job. Not a good job. Astronauts are still on ISS. C'mon!
Boeing should have never took this capsule over land but that would have been a safety decision and we all know boeing does not care about safety.
Yeah, SpaceX has issues at times too, but they don't abandon people in space. Do better or GTFO Boeing.
😂😂😂😂Bullshit
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